Newport Street buildings demolished to make way for new £48 million interchange

The Bolton News: Cranes and diggers swing into action in Newport Street Cranes and diggers swing into action in Newport Street

DIGGERS and cranes have razed buildings along Newport Street to the ground to make way for the new £48million Bolton Interchange.

Workers have been on site since last week, painstakingly knocking down the old shop units so the new bus station can be built.

The interchange project has been developed by a partnership between Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) and Bolton Council.

When finished, the new station will be linked to the train station in Trinity Street with an enclosed footbridge.

It will also include a cycle hub as part of a Greater Manchester-wide cycling init-iative.

Cllr David Chadwick said it was “absolutely brilliant” to see the plans becoming reality.

“To have the buses and trains stopping in one location will be very helpful, and we’re working with the bus operators to bring as many services into the station as possible.

“The council has been working very hard to get investment into the town centre and fingers crossed, it’s all coming together.”

Cllr Andrew Fender, chair of the TfGM committee, said demolition work will not be complete until the new year.

He added: “The interchange project will provide better links, as well as improved waiting areas and passenger facilities.”

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7:43am Sat 21 Dec 13

Hectoriva says...

What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it
What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it Hectoriva

9:43am Sat 21 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

Perhaps the next step is to extend the Arndale Centre to Great Moor Street, so that people can get to the Town centre under cover.
Perhaps the next step is to extend the Arndale Centre to Great Moor Street, so that people can get to the Town centre under cover. Ernagy2

9:59am Sat 21 Dec 13

Bob Shaftoe says...

It would be great if this demolition job continued all the way down Bradshawgate from Great Moor St to just before the Alma pub. These buildings are an absolute disgrace. Most of them are no more than slums.
It would be great if this demolition job continued all the way down Bradshawgate from Great Moor St to just before the Alma pub. These buildings are an absolute disgrace. Most of them are no more than slums. Bob Shaftoe

10:18am Sat 21 Dec 13

Hulton Park says...

Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget". Hulton Park

10:26am Sat 21 Dec 13

Chrome1 says...

Look, this is something the town needed. We have suffered from bad planning by the Council for decades. On top of this, we need a seamless transport system where one reasonably priced ticket gets you anywhere within greater Manchester, including the use of trains.
I would extend this to having just the one bus operator. Different prices, different policies by these bus operators don't help. But I suppose that will be difficult as deregulation wrecked that possibility.
Look, this is something the town needed. We have suffered from bad planning by the Council for decades. On top of this, we need a seamless transport system where one reasonably priced ticket gets you anywhere within greater Manchester, including the use of trains. I would extend this to having just the one bus operator. Different prices, different policies by these bus operators don't help. But I suppose that will be difficult as deregulation wrecked that possibility. Chrome1

10:38am Sat 21 Dec 13

stereo_world says...

Hulton Park wrote:
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni.

Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous.

Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni. Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous. Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town? stereo_world

11:48am Sat 21 Dec 13

calum141 says...

Hectoriva wrote:
What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it
it's people like yourself who prevent Bolton from moving forward with your negativity, if you don't try to improve things then how do you ever expect anything to get better
[quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it[/p][/quote]it's people like yourself who prevent Bolton from moving forward with your negativity, if you don't try to improve things then how do you ever expect anything to get better calum141

12:00pm Sat 21 Dec 13

waynagain says...

I would like to know how Councillor Chadwick 'keeping his fingers crossed' is going to help. Maybe he should 'wish upon a star', or write a letter to Santa asking that things will work out.
I would like to know how Councillor Chadwick 'keeping his fingers crossed' is going to help. Maybe he should 'wish upon a star', or write a letter to Santa asking that things will work out. waynagain

12:08pm Sat 21 Dec 13

JJKBolton says...

Cllr David Chadwick said it was “absolutely brilliant” to see the plans becoming reality.

“To have the buses and trains stopping in one location will be very helpful, and we’re working with the bus operators to bring as many services into the station as possible.

I'm sorry Mr Chadwick but you don't need to work with ANYONE.

If the travelling public and taxpayers are being forced to pay for this interchange then the operators should be forced to use it.
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///// ALL OPERATORS AND ALL SERVICES/////////

Again, I challenge the operators through these columns to publicly state their intentions, so far the silence has been deafening.
Cllr David Chadwick said it was “absolutely brilliant” to see the plans becoming reality. “To have the buses and trains stopping in one location will be very helpful, and we’re working with the bus operators to bring as many services into the station as possible. I'm sorry Mr Chadwick but you don't need to work with ANYONE. If the travelling public and taxpayers are being forced to pay for this interchange then the operators should be forced to use it. //////////////////// ///// ALL OPERATORS AND ALL SERVICES///////// Again, I challenge the operators through these columns to publicly state their intentions, so far the silence has been deafening. JJKBolton

1:39pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lynn57 says...

The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.
The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva. Lynn57

2:07pm Sat 21 Dec 13

jimiley says...

Hulton Park wrote:
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station. jimiley

2:10pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Hectoriva wrote:
What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it
Definitely waste of money considering Northern Rail have made a cycle park for up to 300bikes, in total, on platforms 1/2/3 and 4/5 which opens in January!!!

What IS missing is a car park. Bolton station car-park closes for good soon after Easter next year so that Platform 5 can be re-instated, which means there will be NO parking facilities and its not as if I could catch the bus to the station as the only bus service (that time in the morning) gets me to the station either 45 minutes too early for the specific train or 15 minutes late - and I cannot change my working times to suit public transport - therefore TfGM and Bolton Council have basically pushed more people into driving rather than reducing road traffic!!!
[quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it[/p][/quote]Definitely waste of money considering Northern Rail have made a cycle park for up to 300bikes, in total, on platforms 1/2/3 and 4/5 which opens in January!!! What IS missing is a car park. Bolton station car-park closes for good soon after Easter next year so that Platform 5 can be re-instated, which means there will be NO parking facilities and its not as if I could catch the bus to the station as the only bus service (that time in the morning) gets me to the station either 45 minutes too early for the specific train or 15 minutes late - and I cannot change my working times to suit public transport - therefore TfGM and Bolton Council have basically pushed more people into driving rather than reducing road traffic!!! BWFC71

2:22pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

jimiley wrote:
Hulton Park wrote:
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.
Read what he said - we already have a grossly under-used bus-rail interchange!!!

We ALREADY HAVE an Interchange and your posts just sums up how many people know about it!!!!

Thee better, and cheaper, option would be to force the bus companies, using current road regulations, to circle the town so that all services called at the Bus Station and then the Interchange and then all that needed doing was to update the current bus station!!!

As it now stands the bus station will become wasteland and sold off (Bolton won't see any of the sale money due to the fact that TfGM own the land and NOT Bolton Council) but the Council cannot force bus companies to use the new bus station. All bus companies are charged a rent for every single service that operates into the bus station and if the bus companies think that its in the wrong place or they have a lack of passengers at the new bus station they will not use it - simple economical business fact!!! If anything I can see the new bus station being underused whilst the bus stops along Great Moor Street and Newport Street will be used more as it will be cheaper for the bus companies and closer for the passengers!!!

Also with regards to Chrome1's post. We cannot have one bus company as that is against the current law (and it is not EU law). There has to be competition - even in London where the law is different and its more regulated, they have to have competition with the franchises of the routes and hence they have multiple bus companies!!

I still stand by what I say that within 6 months the covered walk-way will be closed in the evenings and Sundays due to anti-social behaviour and people will b forced to walk along Newport Street to get to the bus station!
[quote][p][bold]jimiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.[/p][/quote]Read what he said - we already have a grossly under-used bus-rail interchange!!! We ALREADY HAVE an Interchange and your posts just sums up how many people know about it!!!! Thee better, and cheaper, option would be to force the bus companies, using current road regulations, to circle the town so that all services called at the Bus Station and then the Interchange and then all that needed doing was to update the current bus station!!! As it now stands the bus station will become wasteland and sold off (Bolton won't see any of the sale money due to the fact that TfGM own the land and NOT Bolton Council) but the Council cannot force bus companies to use the new bus station. All bus companies are charged a rent for every single service that operates into the bus station and if the bus companies think that its in the wrong place or they have a lack of passengers at the new bus station they will not use it - simple economical business fact!!! If anything I can see the new bus station being underused whilst the bus stops along Great Moor Street and Newport Street will be used more as it will be cheaper for the bus companies and closer for the passengers!!! Also with regards to Chrome1's post. We cannot have one bus company as that is against the current law (and it is not EU law). There has to be competition - even in London where the law is different and its more regulated, they have to have competition with the franchises of the routes and hence they have multiple bus companies!! I still stand by what I say that within 6 months the covered walk-way will be closed in the evenings and Sundays due to anti-social behaviour and people will b forced to walk along Newport Street to get to the bus station! BWFC71

3:46pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Andy Higham says...

It would make more sense to build a new booking hall for the train station on the other side of Trinity st, spanning the tracks, with lifts and stairs straight to the platforms. A canopy could be built along the front so buses and cars could drop people off under cover.
Sounds familiar?????
It would make more sense to build a new booking hall for the train station on the other side of Trinity st, spanning the tracks, with lifts and stairs straight to the platforms. A canopy could be built along the front so buses and cars could drop people off under cover. Sounds familiar????? Andy Higham

5:20pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Lynn57 wrote:
The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.
How many of those that actually take their bike on the train will use the bike-park?

I hazard a guess at none of them as those that take their bikes on the train also use their bikes at the other end to get to their final destination, so in the end we will have almost 600 bike parking spots which will be grossly underused.

And if you, or anyone else, says I should use a bike to the station - I would love to use a bike to the station, but they don't have any shower facilities therefore I would be smelling of BO on the train, whilst at work, as my office doesn't have any shower facilities, and back on the train again in the evening - can you imagine if everyone did that!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.[/p][/quote]How many of those that actually take their bike on the train will use the bike-park? I hazard a guess at none of them as those that take their bikes on the train also use their bikes at the other end to get to their final destination, so in the end we will have almost 600 bike parking spots which will be grossly underused. And if you, or anyone else, says I should use a bike to the station - I would love to use a bike to the station, but they don't have any shower facilities therefore I would be smelling of BO on the train, whilst at work, as my office doesn't have any shower facilities, and back on the train again in the evening - can you imagine if everyone did that!!!! BWFC71

8:47pm Sat 21 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

jimiley wrote:
Hulton Park wrote:
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.
and the 15 minute battle against the elements in order to reach the shops
[quote][p][bold]jimiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.[/p][/quote]and the 15 minute battle against the elements in order to reach the shops oftbewildered2

8:54pm Sat 21 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Lynn57 wrote:
The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.
How many of those that actually take their bike on the train will use the bike-park?

I hazard a guess at none of them as those that take their bikes on the train also use their bikes at the other end to get to their final destination, so in the end we will have almost 600 bike parking spots which will be grossly underused.

And if you, or anyone else, says I should use a bike to the station - I would love to use a bike to the station, but they don't have any shower facilities therefore I would be smelling of BO on the train, whilst at work, as my office doesn't have any shower facilities, and back on the train again in the evening - can you imagine if everyone did that!!!!
maybe so - but other companies have shower facilities - so the bike hub would be useful for their employees. If you travel south of Watford Gap you will see the bike parks on the station platforms are full and well used. We really cannot continue with this 'we've always done it this way so anything new will not work' attitude towards development. And it is not only cyclists who have BO
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.[/p][/quote]How many of those that actually take their bike on the train will use the bike-park? I hazard a guess at none of them as those that take their bikes on the train also use their bikes at the other end to get to their final destination, so in the end we will have almost 600 bike parking spots which will be grossly underused. And if you, or anyone else, says I should use a bike to the station - I would love to use a bike to the station, but they don't have any shower facilities therefore I would be smelling of BO on the train, whilst at work, as my office doesn't have any shower facilities, and back on the train again in the evening - can you imagine if everyone did that!!!![/p][/quote]maybe so - but other companies have shower facilities - so the bike hub would be useful for their employees. If you travel south of Watford Gap you will see the bike parks on the station platforms are full and well used. We really cannot continue with this 'we've always done it this way so anything new will not work' attitude towards development. And it is not only cyclists who have BO oftbewildered2

8:58pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lynn57 says...

BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.
BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear. Lynn57

9:10pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Lynn57 wrote:
BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.
That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that!

So if you feel that it was directly aimed at you, Lynn, then I do sincerely apologise.

European trains, well those in The Netherlands, have a rule which is what we should subscribe to. During peak time trains only folds-bikes are allowed onto a train and they have to be folded, whilst non-fold bikes can only be used outside peak times, evenings and weekends.

I know how you feel as there is at least 1 cyclist from Bolton to Salford Central on the 0759 every day who then cycles from the station to his final destination - he has a non-fold bike which can be a nuisance sometimes when getting onboard! - but the question has to be raised to take a bike on a Northern, or TPE, Train has he bought a ticket for it (as tickets are officially required) - if not then the staff should be refusing him because of the cramped conditions!
[quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.[/p][/quote]That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that! So if you feel that it was directly aimed at you, Lynn, then I do sincerely apologise. European trains, well those in The Netherlands, have a rule which is what we should subscribe to. During peak time trains only folds-bikes are allowed onto a train and they have to be folded, whilst non-fold bikes can only be used outside peak times, evenings and weekends. I know how you feel as there is at least 1 cyclist from Bolton to Salford Central on the 0759 every day who then cycles from the station to his final destination - he has a non-fold bike which can be a nuisance sometimes when getting onboard! - but the question has to be raised to take a bike on a Northern, or TPE, Train has he bought a ticket for it (as tickets are officially required) - if not then the staff should be refusing him because of the cramped conditions! BWFC71

9:13pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

oftbewildered2 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Lynn57 wrote:
The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.
How many of those that actually take their bike on the train will use the bike-park?

I hazard a guess at none of them as those that take their bikes on the train also use their bikes at the other end to get to their final destination, so in the end we will have almost 600 bike parking spots which will be grossly underused.

And if you, or anyone else, says I should use a bike to the station - I would love to use a bike to the station, but they don't have any shower facilities therefore I would be smelling of BO on the train, whilst at work, as my office doesn't have any shower facilities, and back on the train again in the evening - can you imagine if everyone did that!!!!
maybe so - but other companies have shower facilities - so the bike hub would be useful for their employees. If you travel south of Watford Gap you will see the bike parks on the station platforms are full and well used. We really cannot continue with this 'we've always done it this way so anything new will not work' attitude towards development. And it is not only cyclists who have BO
But south of Watford Gap comes under TfL which actually has different laws to the rest of the country when it comes to public transport - and our taxes go towards their continuous improvements and cheaper travel down there, whilst we have to suffer! As such with the TfL area public transport is far more regulated and far more integrated than what it will ever be here in the north!

With regards to BO - totally agree!!!
[quote][p][bold]oftbewildered2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.[/p][/quote]How many of those that actually take their bike on the train will use the bike-park? I hazard a guess at none of them as those that take their bikes on the train also use their bikes at the other end to get to their final destination, so in the end we will have almost 600 bike parking spots which will be grossly underused. And if you, or anyone else, says I should use a bike to the station - I would love to use a bike to the station, but they don't have any shower facilities therefore I would be smelling of BO on the train, whilst at work, as my office doesn't have any shower facilities, and back on the train again in the evening - can you imagine if everyone did that!!!![/p][/quote]maybe so - but other companies have shower facilities - so the bike hub would be useful for their employees. If you travel south of Watford Gap you will see the bike parks on the station platforms are full and well used. We really cannot continue with this 'we've always done it this way so anything new will not work' attitude towards development. And it is not only cyclists who have BO[/p][/quote]But south of Watford Gap comes under TfL which actually has different laws to the rest of the country when it comes to public transport - and our taxes go towards their continuous improvements and cheaper travel down there, whilst we have to suffer! As such with the TfL area public transport is far more regulated and far more integrated than what it will ever be here in the north! With regards to BO - totally agree!!! BWFC71

9:19pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Pity I cannt edit a previous post.....

Lynn, I only now about The Netherlands, Belgium and even Germany, to an extent, due to the fact I lived in those countries for over thee last 7+ years.

They already have electrified lines which they started to use from the early 1950's - so in that sense we are currently about 65 years behind the mainland when it comes to electrification. Plus where I lived in the Netherlands they extended the line from Lelystad to Zwolle which took 18 months including tunnels and bridges and replaced the rolling stock with all new - 6 coach single decker SLT trains and between 6 and 12 coach double decker trains - and this is a commuter route!!!!
Pity I cannt edit a previous post..... Lynn, I only now about The Netherlands, Belgium and even Germany, to an extent, due to the fact I lived in those countries for over thee last 7+ years. They already have electrified lines which they started to use from the early 1950's - so in that sense we are currently about 65 years behind the mainland when it comes to electrification. Plus where I lived in the Netherlands they extended the line from Lelystad to Zwolle which took 18 months including tunnels and bridges and replaced the rolling stock with all new - 6 coach single decker SLT trains and between 6 and 12 coach double decker trains - and this is a commuter route!!!! BWFC71

9:28pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

stereo_world wrote:
Hulton Park wrote:
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni.

Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous.

Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?
To be fair other Towns always seem to be able to retain the front facade, which is the main thing people want to keep. Monmouth does this retaining the character of the Town whilst getting new buildings behind it. It must cost around the same for them
[quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni. Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous. Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?[/p][/quote]To be fair other Towns always seem to be able to retain the front facade, which is the main thing people want to keep. Monmouth does this retaining the character of the Town whilst getting new buildings behind it. It must cost around the same for them Ernagy2

9:53pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Lynn,

Big MASSIVE apology as my typing skills are useless tonight and typing and not proof reading! Putting typing before thinking.

this quote from one of my last posts, "That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that!," is meant to read, "That comment was not aimed at you but just at anyone who would try to suggest that!"

Again MASSIVE apology!
Lynn, Big MASSIVE apology as my typing skills are useless tonight and typing and not proof reading! Putting typing before thinking. this quote from one of my last posts, "That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that!," is meant to read, "That comment was not aimed at you but just at anyone who would try to suggest that!" Again MASSIVE apology! BWFC71

3:32am Sun 22 Dec 13

Reality50 says...

I totally support this bus/rail interchange. Moor Lane has had its day and an integrated bus/rail station such as what Bradford has is the way forward. The cycle hub is a great thing too but I do want to see a bigger and better train ticket office and reopening of the booking hall and cashpoints in the new interchange. Having to walk to Sainsbury's is a pain just to pay for a train if i haven't cash on me.I would hope a decent cafe will be included in the interchange too and electronic bus information boards too such as the brand new bus station at Rochdale has. The new bus station at Rochdale is excellent and highly impressive although it lacked a cashpoint.
I totally support this bus/rail interchange. Moor Lane has had its day and an integrated bus/rail station such as what Bradford has is the way forward. The cycle hub is a great thing too but I do want to see a bigger and better train ticket office and reopening of the booking hall and cashpoints in the new interchange. Having to walk to Sainsbury's is a pain just to pay for a train if i haven't cash on me.I would hope a decent cafe will be included in the interchange too and electronic bus information boards too such as the brand new bus station at Rochdale has. The new bus station at Rochdale is excellent and highly impressive although it lacked a cashpoint. Reality50

10:07am Sun 22 Dec 13

brian1910 says...

Bolton town centre is absolutely rubbish......pound shops, bookies, second hand shops and abandoned buildings.......is this really the best use of public money.......do we really needs this development????? Its a disgrace.......
Bolton town centre is absolutely rubbish......pound shops, bookies, second hand shops and abandoned buildings.......is this really the best use of public money.......do we really needs this development????? Its a disgrace....... brian1910

10:11am Sun 22 Dec 13

Womble says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Lynn57 wrote:
BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.
That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that!

So if you feel that it was directly aimed at you, Lynn, then I do sincerely apologise.

European trains, well those in The Netherlands, have a rule which is what we should subscribe to. During peak time trains only folds-bikes are allowed onto a train and they have to be folded, whilst non-fold bikes can only be used outside peak times, evenings and weekends.

I know how you feel as there is at least 1 cyclist from Bolton to Salford Central on the 0759 every day who then cycles from the station to his final destination - he has a non-fold bike which can be a nuisance sometimes when getting onboard! - but the question has to be raised to take a bike on a Northern, or TPE, Train has he bought a ticket for it (as tickets are officially required) - if not then the staff should be refusing him because of the cramped conditions!
If there is insufficient room for bicycles on the train, for those who do cycle at the other end of the train journey, perhaps the train companies should consider bringing back the Guard's Van, so that bicycles, large prams, large luggage, etc. can be stored safely and out of the way of the pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.[/p][/quote]That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that! So if you feel that it was directly aimed at you, Lynn, then I do sincerely apologise. European trains, well those in The Netherlands, have a rule which is what we should subscribe to. During peak time trains only folds-bikes are allowed onto a train and they have to be folded, whilst non-fold bikes can only be used outside peak times, evenings and weekends. I know how you feel as there is at least 1 cyclist from Bolton to Salford Central on the 0759 every day who then cycles from the station to his final destination - he has a non-fold bike which can be a nuisance sometimes when getting onboard! - but the question has to be raised to take a bike on a Northern, or TPE, Train has he bought a ticket for it (as tickets are officially required) - if not then the staff should be refusing him because of the cramped conditions![/p][/quote]If there is insufficient room for bicycles on the train, for those who do cycle at the other end of the train journey, perhaps the train companies should consider bringing back the Guard's Van, so that bicycles, large prams, large luggage, etc. can be stored safely and out of the way of the pedestrians. Womble

12:54pm Sun 22 Dec 13

boltonchap says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Pity I cannt edit a previous post.....

Lynn, I only now about The Netherlands, Belgium and even Germany, to an extent, due to the fact I lived in those countries for over thee last 7+ years.

They already have electrified lines which they started to use from the early 1950's - so in that sense we are currently about 65 years behind the mainland when it comes to electrification. Plus where I lived in the Netherlands they extended the line from Lelystad to Zwolle which took 18 months including tunnels and bridges and replaced the rolling stock with all new - 6 coach single decker SLT trains and between 6 and 12 coach double decker trains - and this is a commuter route!!!!
BWFC am replying to a reply of yours from an earlier thread.
Boltonchap.....

Were you at work whilst you did that reply?

If not does that mean you are sponging of the state - even if its your pension? And if you are I hope you realise that your generation have wasted so much money that my generation is now officially the "lost" generation and is the first generation not to be financially better off than your generation!!!!
Reply: I retired relatively early after selling my professional services business. I’m far too young to draw the state pension but certainly will as I’ve paid my dues, in fact I still pay my national insurance.

Why is it unusual for a company to change over to Windows 7 or 8.
Reply: it’s not unusual, what is unusual is to run the new operating system as well as the one it replaces – totally nonsensical.

Why is it unusual not to do work whilst on the move, at home in the evenings or weekends as well as the 12+ hours a day in the office (with no lunch) - but there again you don't think of that. I do not set the rates as I get salary plus bonuses dependent upon success.
Reply: i never said it’s unusual to work on the move. And your posting times indicate that you don’t work 12 hour days; just check the times you post with your work pseudonym and your not-at-work pseudonym.

The rates per hour etc etc for clients are actually set by the partners of the law firm - so that throws your argument completely out of the window and shows your ignorance!!!
Reply: you’re avoiding the point I made; of course the partners set the rates, but I never referred to this. I referred to the fact you spend a great deal of time on this web site when you should be working for your clients.

You name one time when I have cut and pasted - unless I have stated so. so you have never heard of search engines and the short-cut keys of CTRL-C and CTRL-V - and funnily enough when I have pasted do you not think I know where to look and the exact place to cut and paste without actually searching for a long while - by the nature of my work and the outside interests!!! Again showing your ignorance!!!
Reply: I have an excellent memory so note that recently you clearly cut and pasted an article which you positioned as your own work; a quite learned legal piece it was too. And when I drew your attention to this you actually wrote that it’s impossible to cut and paste on these forums, which of course it isn’t.

And no I shan’t report you to the law firm you refer to as they have no trace on their server of any employee accessing this site during normal work hours.
BWFC/Righteous one I have no animosity towards you, I’m just trying to get you to desist from all your pompous self-aggrandisement in these forums - you're at it again on here: it's the story we are interested in not you! If you are a legal chappie then you really should know how to present your case more eloquently, succinctly and without the spelling and grammatical errors, and please don’t come back with the dyslexia claim again because it’s clear that your spelling goes to pot when you’re losing an argument; count to 100 and then type your reply.
Only trying to help.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Pity I cannt edit a previous post..... Lynn, I only now about The Netherlands, Belgium and even Germany, to an extent, due to the fact I lived in those countries for over thee last 7+ years. They already have electrified lines which they started to use from the early 1950's - so in that sense we are currently about 65 years behind the mainland when it comes to electrification. Plus where I lived in the Netherlands they extended the line from Lelystad to Zwolle which took 18 months including tunnels and bridges and replaced the rolling stock with all new - 6 coach single decker SLT trains and between 6 and 12 coach double decker trains - and this is a commuter route!!!![/p][/quote]BWFC am replying to a reply of yours from an earlier thread. Boltonchap..... Were you at work whilst you did that reply? If not does that mean you are sponging of the state - even if its your pension? And if you are I hope you realise that your generation have wasted so much money that my generation is now officially the "lost" generation and is the first generation not to be financially better off than your generation!!!! Reply: I retired relatively early after selling my professional services business. I’m far too young to draw the state pension but certainly will as I’ve paid my dues, in fact I still pay my national insurance. Why is it unusual for a company to change over to Windows 7 or 8. Reply: it’s not unusual, what is unusual is to run the new operating system as well as the one it replaces – totally nonsensical. Why is it unusual not to do work whilst on the move, at home in the evenings or weekends as well as the 12+ hours a day in the office (with no lunch) - but there again you don't think of that. I do not set the rates as I get salary plus bonuses dependent upon success. Reply: i never said it’s unusual to work on the move. And your posting times indicate that you don’t work 12 hour days; just check the times you post with your work pseudonym and your not-at-work pseudonym. The rates per hour etc etc for clients are actually set by the partners of the law firm - so that throws your argument completely out of the window and shows your ignorance!!! Reply: you’re avoiding the point I made; of course the partners set the rates, but I never referred to this. I referred to the fact you spend a great deal of time on this web site when you should be working for your clients. You name one time when I have cut and pasted - unless I have stated so. so you have never heard of search engines and the short-cut keys of CTRL-C and CTRL-V - and funnily enough when I have pasted do you not think I know where to look and the exact place to cut and paste without actually searching for a long while - by the nature of my work and the outside interests!!! Again showing your ignorance!!! Reply: I have an excellent memory so note that recently you clearly cut and pasted an article which you positioned as your own work; a quite learned legal piece it was too. And when I drew your attention to this you actually wrote that it’s impossible to cut and paste on these forums, which of course it isn’t. And no I shan’t report you to the law firm you refer to as they have no trace on their server of any employee accessing this site during normal work hours. BWFC/Righteous one I have no animosity towards you, I’m just trying to get you to desist from all your pompous self-aggrandisement in these forums - you're at it again on here: it's the story we are interested in not you! If you are a legal chappie then you really should know how to present your case more eloquently, succinctly and without the spelling and grammatical errors, and please don’t come back with the dyslexia claim again because it’s clear that your spelling goes to pot when you’re losing an argument; count to 100 and then type your reply. Only trying to help. boltonchap

3:21pm Sun 22 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Womble wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Lynn57 wrote:
BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.
That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that!

So if you feel that it was directly aimed at you, Lynn, then I do sincerely apologise.

European trains, well those in The Netherlands, have a rule which is what we should subscribe to. During peak time trains only folds-bikes are allowed onto a train and they have to be folded, whilst non-fold bikes can only be used outside peak times, evenings and weekends.

I know how you feel as there is at least 1 cyclist from Bolton to Salford Central on the 0759 every day who then cycles from the station to his final destination - he has a non-fold bike which can be a nuisance sometimes when getting onboard! - but the question has to be raised to take a bike on a Northern, or TPE, Train has he bought a ticket for it (as tickets are officially required) - if not then the staff should be refusing him because of the cramped conditions!
If there is insufficient room for bicycles on the train, for those who do cycle at the other end of the train journey, perhaps the train companies should consider bringing back the Guard's Van, so that bicycles, large prams, large luggage, etc. can be stored safely and out of the way of the pedestrians.
Sounds like a fantastic idea in principle, but there is one major flaw. Where would the guards van go?

Todays trains are made up of ready built units - for instance the Class 142 trains are made up of two coaches but cannot be operated individually. Plus the front of the train does become the back of the train on the return trip, therefore they cannot be attached to the trains.

With the class 15x's they is actually space between the "drivers" cabin and the start of the passengers space and then this all depends upon the guard. The are some guards that do allow bikes and large luggage to be stored in that space whilst the majority will not playing on the health and safety aspect owing to the fact that it is an emergency escape.

Whilst on the TPE trains there are proper luggage racks (as they were furnitured to operate to Airports) but have no spaces for bikes.

But as I sais in a previous post - it is about time the guards started to clamp down on cyclists in making sure they have a ticket for their bikes as I am sure that the majority don't!
[quote][p][bold]Womble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.[/p][/quote]That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that! So if you feel that it was directly aimed at you, Lynn, then I do sincerely apologise. European trains, well those in The Netherlands, have a rule which is what we should subscribe to. During peak time trains only folds-bikes are allowed onto a train and they have to be folded, whilst non-fold bikes can only be used outside peak times, evenings and weekends. I know how you feel as there is at least 1 cyclist from Bolton to Salford Central on the 0759 every day who then cycles from the station to his final destination - he has a non-fold bike which can be a nuisance sometimes when getting onboard! - but the question has to be raised to take a bike on a Northern, or TPE, Train has he bought a ticket for it (as tickets are officially required) - if not then the staff should be refusing him because of the cramped conditions![/p][/quote]If there is insufficient room for bicycles on the train, for those who do cycle at the other end of the train journey, perhaps the train companies should consider bringing back the Guard's Van, so that bicycles, large prams, large luggage, etc. can be stored safely and out of the way of the pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a fantastic idea in principle, but there is one major flaw. Where would the guards van go? Todays trains are made up of ready built units - for instance the Class 142 trains are made up of two coaches but cannot be operated individually. Plus the front of the train does become the back of the train on the return trip, therefore they cannot be attached to the trains. With the class 15x's they is actually space between the "drivers" cabin and the start of the passengers space and then this all depends upon the guard. The are some guards that do allow bikes and large luggage to be stored in that space whilst the majority will not playing on the health and safety aspect owing to the fact that it is an emergency escape. Whilst on the TPE trains there are proper luggage racks (as they were furnitured to operate to Airports) but have no spaces for bikes. But as I sais in a previous post - it is about time the guards started to clamp down on cyclists in making sure they have a ticket for their bikes as I am sure that the majority don't! BWFC71

3:58pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Isitworthit says...

Lynn57 wrote:
The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.
Maybe they need the bike after leaving train in Manchester!
[quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: The cycle hub is NOT a waste of money, I get the 07.55 to Manchester everyday and there are people with bikes trying to get on and there isn`t even enough room for passengers. The govt. are always banging on about people going ""green" and healthy and cycling to work so cyclists need somewhere to park up to board the train "bikeless" instead of barging us all out the way with bikes in the carriages. You really are a fool Hectoriva.[/p][/quote]Maybe they need the bike after leaving train in Manchester! Isitworthit

4:06pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Isitworthit says...

I think someone should look at the Disabled parking percentage. At Horwich and Lostock every day people struggle for a space yet nearly all the yellow bays are empty (and there are lots) Of course we need some bays for the disabled but to see so many empty every day and people driving round missing trains is ridiculous, a bit of common sense is needed perhaps the station staff could monitor and release a few spaces. I would hazard a guess this is a problem at other stations as well. Just a thought that as always will be ignored.
I think someone should look at the Disabled parking percentage. At Horwich and Lostock every day people struggle for a space yet nearly all the yellow bays are empty (and there are lots) Of course we need some bays for the disabled but to see so many empty every day and people driving round missing trains is ridiculous, a bit of common sense is needed perhaps the station staff could monitor and release a few spaces. I would hazard a guess this is a problem at other stations as well. Just a thought that as always will be ignored. Isitworthit

4:43pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Hulton Park says...

oftbewildered2 wrote:
jimiley wrote:
Hulton Park wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.
and the 15 minute battle against the elements in order to reach the shops
You appear to have difficulty reading.

i said the bus-rail interchange was grossly underused -not Moor Lane Bus Station.

The interchange is next to the station. If the demand is there, why isn't it at capacity - or anywhere near capacity?
[quote][p][bold]oftbewildered2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.[/p][/quote]and the 15 minute battle against the elements in order to reach the shops[/p][/quote]You appear to have difficulty reading. i said the bus-rail interchange was grossly underused -not Moor Lane Bus Station. The interchange is next to the station. If the demand is there, why isn't it at capacity - or anywhere near capacity? Hulton Park

4:53pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Hulton Park says...

stereo_world wrote:
Hulton Park wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni. Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous. Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?
None of the buildings I mentioned was Victorian, or crumbling, or dangerous. On the contrary: they were stylish, solid (more so than many modern buildings) and capable of being put to other uses.

What was lacking was the sort of imagination others towns have shown.
[quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni. Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous. Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?[/p][/quote]None of the buildings I mentioned was Victorian, or crumbling, or dangerous. On the contrary: they were stylish, solid (more so than many modern buildings) and capable of being put to other uses. What was lacking was the sort of imagination others towns have shown. Hulton Park

5:13pm Sun 22 Dec 13

boltonchap says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Womble wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Lynn57 wrote:
BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.
That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that!

So if you feel that it was directly aimed at you, Lynn, then I do sincerely apologise.

European trains, well those in The Netherlands, have a rule which is what we should subscribe to. During peak time trains only folds-bikes are allowed onto a train and they have to be folded, whilst non-fold bikes can only be used outside peak times, evenings and weekends.

I know how you feel as there is at least 1 cyclist from Bolton to Salford Central on the 0759 every day who then cycles from the station to his final destination - he has a non-fold bike which can be a nuisance sometimes when getting onboard! - but the question has to be raised to take a bike on a Northern, or TPE, Train has he bought a ticket for it (as tickets are officially required) - if not then the staff should be refusing him because of the cramped conditions!
If there is insufficient room for bicycles on the train, for those who do cycle at the other end of the train journey, perhaps the train companies should consider bringing back the Guard's Van, so that bicycles, large prams, large luggage, etc. can be stored safely and out of the way of the pedestrians.
Sounds like a fantastic idea in principle, but there is one major flaw. Where would the guards van go?

Todays trains are made up of ready built units - for instance the Class 142 trains are made up of two coaches but cannot be operated individually. Plus the front of the train does become the back of the train on the return trip, therefore they cannot be attached to the trains.

With the class 15x's they is actually space between the "drivers" cabin and the start of the passengers space and then this all depends upon the guard. The are some guards that do allow bikes and large luggage to be stored in that space whilst the majority will not playing on the health and safety aspect owing to the fact that it is an emergency escape.

Whilst on the TPE trains there are proper luggage racks (as they were furnitured to operate to Airports) but have no spaces for bikes.

But as I sais in a previous post - it is about time the guards started to clamp down on cyclists in making sure they have a ticket for their bikes as I am sure that the majority don't!
I knew it BWFC - you're a train spotter. Explains a lot.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Womble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: BWFC71, why on earth would I tell somebody else the mode in which they commute to work?? I was voicing concerns for the people that HAVE to use bicycles because unlike European trains there is simply no room for the people that have no choice but to "bike it". Since I use the peak trains everyday I feel that I am allowed to make a comment as some of us have to stand with bike tyres rammed against our legs and office clothes. I do not give a rat`s backside what you do it is of no consequence in my life. Calm down dear.[/p][/quote]That comment was primarily aimed just at you but at anyone who would try to suggest it - and yes there are some on here who would do that! So if you feel that it was directly aimed at you, Lynn, then I do sincerely apologise. European trains, well those in The Netherlands, have a rule which is what we should subscribe to. During peak time trains only folds-bikes are allowed onto a train and they have to be folded, whilst non-fold bikes can only be used outside peak times, evenings and weekends. I know how you feel as there is at least 1 cyclist from Bolton to Salford Central on the 0759 every day who then cycles from the station to his final destination - he has a non-fold bike which can be a nuisance sometimes when getting onboard! - but the question has to be raised to take a bike on a Northern, or TPE, Train has he bought a ticket for it (as tickets are officially required) - if not then the staff should be refusing him because of the cramped conditions![/p][/quote]If there is insufficient room for bicycles on the train, for those who do cycle at the other end of the train journey, perhaps the train companies should consider bringing back the Guard's Van, so that bicycles, large prams, large luggage, etc. can be stored safely and out of the way of the pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a fantastic idea in principle, but there is one major flaw. Where would the guards van go? Todays trains are made up of ready built units - for instance the Class 142 trains are made up of two coaches but cannot be operated individually. Plus the front of the train does become the back of the train on the return trip, therefore they cannot be attached to the trains. With the class 15x's they is actually space between the "drivers" cabin and the start of the passengers space and then this all depends upon the guard. The are some guards that do allow bikes and large luggage to be stored in that space whilst the majority will not playing on the health and safety aspect owing to the fact that it is an emergency escape. Whilst on the TPE trains there are proper luggage racks (as they were furnitured to operate to Airports) but have no spaces for bikes. But as I sais in a previous post - it is about time the guards started to clamp down on cyclists in making sure they have a ticket for their bikes as I am sure that the majority don't![/p][/quote]I knew it BWFC - you're a train spotter. Explains a lot. boltonchap

5:32pm Sun 22 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Hulton Park wrote:
stereo_world wrote:
Hulton Park wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni. Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous. Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?
None of the buildings I mentioned was Victorian, or crumbling, or dangerous. On the contrary: they were stylish, solid (more so than many modern buildings) and capable of being put to other uses.

What was lacking was the sort of imagination others towns have shown.
To be fair Bolton Council really had no say with the Odeon, but with Bolton College on Manchester Road and the old School building of Higher Bridge Street plus other old municipal buildings they council has shown wrecklessness and no foresight whatssoever. In other towns and cities, not just in UK but also other counties, they do manage to keep the façade of buildings of rebuild the inside - perfect examples can be seen with the rebuilding of insides in The Netherlands - they keep the outside wall and completely gut the insides and start from scratch thus giving the old buildings a new lease of life - an example being the De La Mar theatre just off Leidseplein in Amsterdam which was until about 6 years ago completely different buildings such as housing and offices - now they are together and created one of the newest and busiest theatres in the city! Again another example is the City Theatre (cinema) which was completed gutted and rebuilt inside whilst keeping the exterior!
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni. Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous. Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?[/p][/quote]None of the buildings I mentioned was Victorian, or crumbling, or dangerous. On the contrary: they were stylish, solid (more so than many modern buildings) and capable of being put to other uses. What was lacking was the sort of imagination others towns have shown.[/p][/quote]To be fair Bolton Council really had no say with the Odeon, but with Bolton College on Manchester Road and the old School building of Higher Bridge Street plus other old municipal buildings they council has shown wrecklessness and no foresight whatssoever. In other towns and cities, not just in UK but also other counties, they do manage to keep the façade of buildings of rebuild the inside - perfect examples can be seen with the rebuilding of insides in The Netherlands - they keep the outside wall and completely gut the insides and start from scratch thus giving the old buildings a new lease of life - an example being the De La Mar theatre just off Leidseplein in Amsterdam which was until about 6 years ago completely different buildings such as housing and offices - now they are together and created one of the newest and busiest theatres in the city! Again another example is the City Theatre (cinema) which was completed gutted and rebuilt inside whilst keeping the exterior! BWFC71

9:08pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Beyond News Forum says...

A commenter hit on the Bike Hub above somewhere.

Cyclists use their bikes to get to work on the other side of their journey.

If the train station is not revamped with the new hub things will look shyte.

This is TfGM pomp and nothing more.
A commenter hit on the Bike Hub above somewhere. Cyclists use their bikes to get to work on the other side of their journey. If the train station is not revamped with the new hub things will look shyte. This is TfGM pomp and nothing more. Beyond News Forum

10:21am Mon 23 Dec 13

andy_88 says...

Andy Higham wrote:
It would make more sense to build a new booking hall for the train station on the other side of Trinity st, spanning the tracks, with lifts and stairs straight to the platforms. A canopy could be built along the front so buses and cars could drop people off under cover.
Sounds familiar?????
i looked at pictures of the station in the 60's and what a mistake it was knocking it down and replacing it with well crap.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Higham[/bold] wrote: It would make more sense to build a new booking hall for the train station on the other side of Trinity st, spanning the tracks, with lifts and stairs straight to the platforms. A canopy could be built along the front so buses and cars could drop people off under cover. Sounds familiar?????[/p][/quote]i looked at pictures of the station in the 60's and what a mistake it was knocking it down and replacing it with well crap. andy_88

12:41pm Mon 23 Dec 13

eatmytruth says...

Its brilliant. After reading about the west end buildings roof collapse causing injury to many. Buildings need to be demolished when they are no longer fit for use. Besides, the bus station on great moor street is pretty far from the train station for people who link theor journey on their commutes. Makes it easier to hop off the bus and on to the train.
Its brilliant. After reading about the west end buildings roof collapse causing injury to many. Buildings need to be demolished when they are no longer fit for use. Besides, the bus station on great moor street is pretty far from the train station for people who link theor journey on their commutes. Makes it easier to hop off the bus and on to the train. eatmytruth

1:16pm Mon 23 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Its brilliant. After reading about the west end buildings roof collapse causing injury to many. Buildings need to be demolished when they are no longer fit for use. Besides, the bus station on great moor street is pretty far from the train station for people who link theor journey on their commutes. Makes it easier to hop off the bus and on to the train.
But there is already an interchange which is overwhelmingly underused - so don't buses terminate there, or operate pass there now???
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: Its brilliant. After reading about the west end buildings roof collapse causing injury to many. Buildings need to be demolished when they are no longer fit for use. Besides, the bus station on great moor street is pretty far from the train station for people who link theor journey on their commutes. Makes it easier to hop off the bus and on to the train.[/p][/quote]But there is already an interchange which is overwhelmingly underused - so don't buses terminate there, or operate pass there now??? The Righteous One

3:50pm Mon 23 Dec 13

itsnotthatbad says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
stereo_world wrote:
Hulton Park wrote:
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni.

Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous.

Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?
To be fair other Towns always seem to be able to retain the front facade, which is the main thing people want to keep. Monmouth does this retaining the character of the Town whilst getting new buildings behind it. It must cost around the same for them
I used to live in monmouth and the shops and properties all the way down to the bottom from wetherspoons at the top to where waitrose meets the bridge are either crumbling or crumbled inside! the chinese takeaways front fell off completely. the old kia showroom was in bits. kwik save was a monstrosity! monmouth appears to look nice and that vs bolton in terms of nice places to live wins hands down (unless your english as welsh there hate the english) but not a good comparison. monmouth is just as bad as bolton regarding the state of buildings, its just they kept the frontage as its a tourist area
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni. Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous. Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?[/p][/quote]To be fair other Towns always seem to be able to retain the front facade, which is the main thing people want to keep. Monmouth does this retaining the character of the Town whilst getting new buildings behind it. It must cost around the same for them[/p][/quote]I used to live in monmouth and the shops and properties all the way down to the bottom from wetherspoons at the top to where waitrose meets the bridge are either crumbling or crumbled inside! the chinese takeaways front fell off completely. the old kia showroom was in bits. kwik save was a monstrosity! monmouth appears to look nice and that vs bolton in terms of nice places to live wins hands down (unless your english as welsh there hate the english) but not a good comparison. monmouth is just as bad as bolton regarding the state of buildings, its just they kept the frontage as its a tourist area itsnotthatbad

10:14am Thu 26 Dec 13

Frogger123 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it
Definitely waste of money considering Northern Rail have made a cycle park for up to 300bikes, in total, on platforms 1/2/3 and 4/5 which opens in January!!!

What IS missing is a car park. Bolton station car-park closes for good soon after Easter next year so that Platform 5 can be re-instated, which means there will be NO parking facilities and its not as if I could catch the bus to the station as the only bus service (that time in the morning) gets me to the station either 45 minutes too early for the specific train or 15 minutes late - and I cannot change my working times to suit public transport - therefore TfGM and Bolton Council have basically pushed more people into driving rather than reducing road traffic!!!
Sorry, not quite understanding this. Do you mean the current station car park ie: the rough patch behind the current platform 4 is closing after Easter???
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it[/p][/quote]Definitely waste of money considering Northern Rail have made a cycle park for up to 300bikes, in total, on platforms 1/2/3 and 4/5 which opens in January!!! What IS missing is a car park. Bolton station car-park closes for good soon after Easter next year so that Platform 5 can be re-instated, which means there will be NO parking facilities and its not as if I could catch the bus to the station as the only bus service (that time in the morning) gets me to the station either 45 minutes too early for the specific train or 15 minutes late - and I cannot change my working times to suit public transport - therefore TfGM and Bolton Council have basically pushed more people into driving rather than reducing road traffic!!![/p][/quote]Sorry, not quite understanding this. Do you mean the current station car park ie: the rough patch behind the current platform 4 is closing after Easter??? Frogger123

1:15pm Fri 27 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Frogger123 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it
Definitely waste of money considering Northern Rail have made a cycle park for up to 300bikes, in total, on platforms 1/2/3 and 4/5 which opens in January!!!

What IS missing is a car park. Bolton station car-park closes for good soon after Easter next year so that Platform 5 can be re-instated, which means there will be NO parking facilities and its not as if I could catch the bus to the station as the only bus service (that time in the morning) gets me to the station either 45 minutes too early for the specific train or 15 minutes late - and I cannot change my working times to suit public transport - therefore TfGM and Bolton Council have basically pushed more people into driving rather than reducing road traffic!!!
Sorry, not quite understanding this. Do you mean the current station car park ie: the rough patch behind the current platform 4 is closing after Easter???
Yes, soon after Easter!

Network Rail want to utilisie it, to begin with, for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform so the car-park will have to close for good.
[quote][p][bold]Frogger123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money a cycle hub will be! Do they really think the ONLY reason people don't cycle is because their is no cycle hub? It will be covered in graffiti and gum this time next year with no bicycles in it[/p][/quote]Definitely waste of money considering Northern Rail have made a cycle park for up to 300bikes, in total, on platforms 1/2/3 and 4/5 which opens in January!!! What IS missing is a car park. Bolton station car-park closes for good soon after Easter next year so that Platform 5 can be re-instated, which means there will be NO parking facilities and its not as if I could catch the bus to the station as the only bus service (that time in the morning) gets me to the station either 45 minutes too early for the specific train or 15 minutes late - and I cannot change my working times to suit public transport - therefore TfGM and Bolton Council have basically pushed more people into driving rather than reducing road traffic!!![/p][/quote]Sorry, not quite understanding this. Do you mean the current station car park ie: the rough patch behind the current platform 4 is closing after Easter???[/p][/quote]Yes, soon after Easter! Network Rail want to utilisie it, to begin with, for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform so the car-park will have to close for good. The Righteous One

10:11pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
jimiley wrote:
Hulton Park wrote:
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.
Read what he said - we already have a grossly under-used bus-rail interchange!!!

We ALREADY HAVE an Interchange and your posts just sums up how many people know about it!!!!

Thee better, and cheaper, option would be to force the bus companies, using current road regulations, to circle the town so that all services called at the Bus Station and then the Interchange and then all that needed doing was to update the current bus station!!!

As it now stands the bus station will become wasteland and sold off (Bolton won't see any of the sale money due to the fact that TfGM own the land and NOT Bolton Council) but the Council cannot force bus companies to use the new bus station. All bus companies are charged a rent for every single service that operates into the bus station and if the bus companies think that its in the wrong place or they have a lack of passengers at the new bus station they will not use it - simple economical business fact!!! If anything I can see the new bus station being underused whilst the bus stops along Great Moor Street and Newport Street will be used more as it will be cheaper for the bus companies and closer for the passengers!!!

Also with regards to Chrome1's post. We cannot have one bus company as that is against the current law (and it is not EU law). There has to be competition - even in London where the law is different and its more regulated, they have to have competition with the franchises of the routes and hence they have multiple bus companies!!

I still stand by what I say that within 6 months the covered walk-way will be closed in the evenings and Sundays due to anti-social behaviour and people will b forced to walk along Newport Street to get to the bus station!
If the Town Council put yellow lines and pit stopping orders in the places you suggest then they won't be able to use those stops.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Maybe the "grossly underused bus station" is so because it's some distance from the train station?? I'm looking forward to it's completion so it will prevent the 15-minute battle against the weather walking from the current bus station.[/p][/quote]Read what he said - we already have a grossly under-used bus-rail interchange!!! We ALREADY HAVE an Interchange and your posts just sums up how many people know about it!!!! Thee better, and cheaper, option would be to force the bus companies, using current road regulations, to circle the town so that all services called at the Bus Station and then the Interchange and then all that needed doing was to update the current bus station!!! As it now stands the bus station will become wasteland and sold off (Bolton won't see any of the sale money due to the fact that TfGM own the land and NOT Bolton Council) but the Council cannot force bus companies to use the new bus station. All bus companies are charged a rent for every single service that operates into the bus station and if the bus companies think that its in the wrong place or they have a lack of passengers at the new bus station they will not use it - simple economical business fact!!! If anything I can see the new bus station being underused whilst the bus stops along Great Moor Street and Newport Street will be used more as it will be cheaper for the bus companies and closer for the passengers!!! Also with regards to Chrome1's post. We cannot have one bus company as that is against the current law (and it is not EU law). There has to be competition - even in London where the law is different and its more regulated, they have to have competition with the franchises of the routes and hence they have multiple bus companies!! I still stand by what I say that within 6 months the covered walk-way will be closed in the evenings and Sundays due to anti-social behaviour and people will b forced to walk along Newport Street to get to the bus station![/p][/quote]If the Town Council put yellow lines and pit stopping orders in the places you suggest then they won't be able to use those stops. Ernagy2

9:52am Thu 2 Jan 14

JJKBolton says...

I will only consider the new building presently under construction as an interchange only if and when

ALL OPERATORS AND ALL SERVICES START AND FINISH ON THE NEW BUS STANDS PROVIDED and NOT I REPEAT NOT ON GREAT MOOR STREET OR ANYWHERE ELSE - and the the quangos who are spending taxpayers money must be held to account for the operators failure to deliver the goods.

I repeat, the travelling public need a guarantee from the operators not that they "intend" to use the interchange but that they WILL USE IT.

so come on you operators, now is your chance to come out and publicly and get on board.
I will only consider the new building presently under construction as an interchange only if and when ALL OPERATORS AND ALL SERVICES START AND FINISH ON THE NEW BUS STANDS PROVIDED and NOT I REPEAT NOT ON GREAT MOOR STREET OR ANYWHERE ELSE - and the the quangos who are spending taxpayers money must be held to account for the operators failure to deliver the goods. I repeat, the travelling public need a guarantee from the operators not that they "intend" to use the interchange but that they WILL USE IT. so come on you operators, now is your chance to come out and publicly and get on board. JJKBolton

6:27pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ernagy2 says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
stereo_world wrote:
Hulton Park wrote:
Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town.

We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status!

The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake.

Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".
Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni.

Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous.

Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?
To be fair other Towns always seem to be able to retain the front facade, which is the main thing people want to keep. Monmouth does this retaining the character of the Town whilst getting new buildings behind it. It must cost around the same for them
I used to live in monmouth and the shops and properties all the way down to the bottom from wetherspoons at the top to where waitrose meets the bridge are either crumbling or crumbled inside! the chinese takeaways front fell off completely. the old kia showroom was in bits. kwik save was a monstrosity! monmouth appears to look nice and that vs bolton in terms of nice places to live wins hands down (unless your english as welsh there hate the english) but not a good comparison. monmouth is just as bad as bolton regarding the state of buildings, its just they kept the frontage as its a tourist area
Most people would love the frontage of the old buildings top have been kept, e.g. the fire station, the Odeon Cinema Building, the old College building. After all that's what people liked about the old buildings, not what was in it or supporting it.

I find though a irony in the Town knocking down the bridge that ran from Trinity Street to Great Moor Street in the 80's, for it now to be replaced with a bridge that effectively connects Trinity Street to Great Moor street, albeit via bus station. Perhaps one day we could have a more suitable and grand train station like the one that was demolished in the late 70's early 80's rather than the building which was meant to be a 'temporary' station that we have now. A very good opportunity is being missed for Bolton to have a train / retail complex at Bolton station - and I don't mean the sweet shop.

I wonder what Mr Portillo thought of Bolton Station and the horrible bridge you have to walk down to all the platforms.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: Time and again, Bolton Council has shown itself to be too trigger-happy when it comes to demolishing the town - Odeon, Manchester Road BIT, fire station, the list goes on - without really thinking whether the replacement (if any) will actually enhance the town. We already have a grossly underused bus-rail interchange. A better enhancement - apart from to the dire state of our rail services - would be proper car parking provision for Bolton Station. Let's act as if we actually mean to retain its inter-city status! The whole thing smacks of tokenism - even the grossly-inflated cost. We simply do not get what a large centre like Bolton ought to get from the Greater Manchester cake. Look out for the self-congratulatory publicity from TfGM when it comes in "under budget".[/p][/quote]Did you ever stop to think that those buildings were knocked down because they weren't suitable for purpose any more? That fire station was too old and a site was probably identified to make it easier for access. The odeon let's face it was a bingo hall and there were two cinemas out of town capable of more capacity. Also, the college while spacious was old and decrepit and it just made more sense to downsize and merge with the uni. Point is, these old structures cost so much more to modernise for use. They're Victorian, crumbling and dangerous. Think about it, what would you spend your tax money on? Keeping old buildings standing because no one will move in to them, or modernization of the town?[/p][/quote]To be fair other Towns always seem to be able to retain the front facade, which is the main thing people want to keep. Monmouth does this retaining the character of the Town whilst getting new buildings behind it. It must cost around the same for them[/p][/quote]I used to live in monmouth and the shops and properties all the way down to the bottom from wetherspoons at the top to where waitrose meets the bridge are either crumbling or crumbled inside! the chinese takeaways front fell off completely. the old kia showroom was in bits. kwik save was a monstrosity! monmouth appears to look nice and that vs bolton in terms of nice places to live wins hands down (unless your english as welsh there hate the english) but not a good comparison. monmouth is just as bad as bolton regarding the state of buildings, its just they kept the frontage as its a tourist area[/p][/quote]Most people would love the frontage of the old buildings top have been kept, e.g. the fire station, the Odeon Cinema Building, the old College building. After all that's what people liked about the old buildings, not what was in it or supporting it. I find though a irony in the Town knocking down the bridge that ran from Trinity Street to Great Moor Street in the 80's, for it now to be replaced with a bridge that effectively connects Trinity Street to Great Moor street, albeit via bus station. Perhaps one day we could have a more suitable and grand train station like the one that was demolished in the late 70's early 80's rather than the building which was meant to be a 'temporary' station that we have now. A very good opportunity is being missed for Bolton to have a train / retail complex at Bolton station - and I don't mean the sweet shop. I wonder what Mr Portillo thought of Bolton Station and the horrible bridge you have to walk down to all the platforms. Ernagy2

6:30pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ernagy2 says...

JJKBolton wrote:
I will only consider the new building presently under construction as an interchange only if and when

ALL OPERATORS AND ALL SERVICES START AND FINISH ON THE NEW BUS STANDS PROVIDED and NOT I REPEAT NOT ON GREAT MOOR STREET OR ANYWHERE ELSE - and the the quangos who are spending taxpayers money must be held to account for the operators failure to deliver the goods.

I repeat, the travelling public need a guarantee from the operators not that they "intend" to use the interchange but that they WILL USE IT.

so come on you operators, now is your chance to come out and publicly and get on board.
....and that Bolton Council will block Moor Lane station of so that the bus operators can't use it - even if they wanted to
[quote][p][bold]JJKBolton[/bold] wrote: I will only consider the new building presently under construction as an interchange only if and when ALL OPERATORS AND ALL SERVICES START AND FINISH ON THE NEW BUS STANDS PROVIDED and NOT I REPEAT NOT ON GREAT MOOR STREET OR ANYWHERE ELSE - and the the quangos who are spending taxpayers money must be held to account for the operators failure to deliver the goods. I repeat, the travelling public need a guarantee from the operators not that they "intend" to use the interchange but that they WILL USE IT. so come on you operators, now is your chance to come out and publicly and get on board.[/p][/quote]....and that Bolton Council will block Moor Lane station of so that the bus operators can't use it - even if they wanted to Ernagy2

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