How police are making sure Bolton's taxis are safe

The Bolton News: Revellers enjoy a night out and by using a licensed taxi they can ensure a safe trip home Revellers enjoy a night out and by using a licensed taxi they can ensure a safe trip home

BOLTON has more than 1,600 private hire drivers in the borough.

This week Sgt John Boyce, for Bolton's partnership and licensing team, explains how officers work with Bolton Council to work together to regulate the licensing of private hire drivers.

People wanting to become private hire drivers apply for a licence through Bolton Council but must undergo police checks and other processes before being allowed on the roads.

Private hire drivers are only able to transport people who have booked their journey in advance with a licensed firm.

Drivers with criminal convictions must declare them to the authority. If a driver discloses a criminal conviction or police learn a driver has a conviction each case is reviewed individually on its merits.

Police also make a decision about whether to suspend a licence if a driver has been arrested or a serious complaint has been made.

Sgt Boyce said: “Police and the local authority are keen to ensure the integrity of the system. The public has a right to expect that when they get into a taxi the person driving is a person of integrity. If drivers break any rules they need to be taken out of the system.”

Sgt Boyce said police and the council strive to ensure drivers are fit and proper, the person does not pose a threat to the public, the public are protected from dishonest people and the safeguarding of children, young people and vulnerable adults.

He said drivers with convictions or people arrested on suspicion of violence offences, sex offences, dishonestly crimes and drug offences cause particular concern to authorities who will decide whether passengers are likely to be at risk.

About six drivers in the town have been suspended since April and a further seven are thought to be under review.

Drivers need to declare convictions every time a licence is reviewed and Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks are carried out every three years. CRB checks include all current and spent convictions, cautions and motor offences.

Bolton Council is able to suspend a driver even police are not investigating the case. Last year, private hire driver Riazuddin Malji was unsuccessful in a challenge to overturn a decision made by Bolton Council to have his licence revoked.

He was found to not be a fit and proper person to be a private hire driver after he allegedly asked a 13-year-old passenger’s mobile phone number and asked if she liked smoking drugs. Bolton magistrates upheld the decision of the council.

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9:45am Wed 8 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

My brothers vehicle was hit by a Bank Street Taxi which then sped off, he was lucky he got the registration number.

I had to carry out my own investigation to get the details and even then the driver denied any responsibility, plus he was never even charged by the police.

Save your money avoid Bolton Town Centre at night its a dump.
My brothers vehicle was hit by a Bank Street Taxi which then sped off, he was lucky he got the registration number. I had to carry out my own investigation to get the details and even then the driver denied any responsibility, plus he was never even charged by the police. Save your money avoid Bolton Town Centre at night its a dump. Jim271

10:03am Wed 8 Jan 14

Regulatory Man says...

regularly see metro cabs and others in Bolton with lights out not working - very roadworthy indeed! They undertake, jump red lights regularly. Even these so called licensed ones I wouldn't trust any of my family to be safe in.

What are you doing about those GMP, Bolton Council? lack of traffic officers allows them to get away with it and even when reported nothing appears to be done.

Shame as the absolutely genuine taxi drivers who do it right get tarred as a result. And believe me there are many good drivers with well maintained vehicles.
regularly see metro cabs and others in Bolton with lights out not working - very roadworthy indeed! They undertake, jump red lights regularly. Even these so called licensed ones I wouldn't trust any of my family to be safe in. What are you doing about those GMP, Bolton Council? lack of traffic officers allows them to get away with it and even when reported nothing appears to be done. Shame as the absolutely genuine taxi drivers who do it right get tarred as a result. And believe me there are many good drivers with well maintained vehicles. Regulatory Man

10:33am Wed 8 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

Regulatory man, there's more money to be made issueing fines than to actually enforcing traffic law.

Besides one taxi, three different drivers.
Regulatory man, there's more money to be made issueing fines than to actually enforcing traffic law. Besides one taxi, three different drivers. Jim271

12:51pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

This is not a racist statement, What about the drivers that do not speak English?

Many times I have been dropped off and picked up by drivers who do not know there destination, cannot speak English and do not know the highway code.

How on Earth did they get a driving licence let alone a cab licence?
This is not a racist statement, What about the drivers that do not speak English? Many times I have been dropped off and picked up by drivers who do not know there destination, cannot speak English and do not know the highway code. How on Earth did they get a driving licence let alone a cab licence? Beyond News Forum

1:05pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
This is not a racist statement, What about the drivers that do not speak English?

Many times I have been dropped off and picked up by drivers who do not know there destination, cannot speak English and do not know the highway code.

How on Earth did they get a driving licence let alone a cab licence?
Agreed and then look at the problem at Bolton train station on how they block the inside lane of Trinity Street - which is totally against the law and yet if they parked in the official parking bay the customers are walking just as far!!!!

Plus the pathetic excuses the drivers come out with as to why they block the inside lane of Trinity Street!!!!! That's what they are PATHETIC excuses in deliberately breaking the highway code (which is law and actually a criminal offence nowadays!)!!!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: This is not a racist statement, What about the drivers that do not speak English? Many times I have been dropped off and picked up by drivers who do not know there destination, cannot speak English and do not know the highway code. How on Earth did they get a driving licence let alone a cab licence?[/p][/quote]Agreed and then look at the problem at Bolton train station on how they block the inside lane of Trinity Street - which is totally against the law and yet if they parked in the official parking bay the customers are walking just as far!!!! Plus the pathetic excuses the drivers come out with as to why they block the inside lane of Trinity Street!!!!! That's what they are PATHETIC excuses in deliberately breaking the highway code (which is law and actually a criminal offence nowadays!)!!! BWFC71

2:29pm Wed 8 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.
It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident. thomas222

2:58pm Wed 8 Jan 14

wsw69 says...

The town is a shambolic 5 h 1 t h 0 l e and so are the majority of private hire cars. Cabs should be limited to 8 years of age and then have to be legally retired. Christ knows what people think who are in Bolton from abroad and a call a private hire cab, and climb into the aged dilapidated wrecks.

Sadly, the police are p**s1ng in the wind and getting at least 3 times their own back.

Welcome to the UK, the world leader at weak regulation and enforcement. I'd rather crawl on my hand's and knees first than use a private hire cab!
The town is a shambolic 5 h 1 t h 0 l e and so are the majority of private hire cars. Cabs should be limited to 8 years of age and then have to be legally retired. Christ knows what people think who are in Bolton from abroad and a call a private hire cab, and climb into the aged dilapidated wrecks. Sadly, the police are p**s1ng in the wind and getting at least 3 times their own back. Welcome to the UK, the world leader at weak regulation and enforcement. I'd rather crawl on my hand's and knees first than use a private hire cab! wsw69

4:06pm Wed 8 Jan 14

pecky2k says...

Bolton Private hire car 1018 from Lever Cars picked me up.
Got in his cab and the milometer wasn't zeroed, it read 0.5 miles. I politely pointed out that he hadn't zeroed his trip and he just continued without acknowledging me, I told him again twice more.
Got home and he charged me for the full mileage on his mileometer.
Not the first time, nor will it be the last. They are attempting to take advantage of people the worse for drink, unlucky for this guy I was on the ball and hopefully Bolton Licensing will deal with him. Bradshawgate Private hire tried this regularly so I stopped using them.
Anyone got the licensing number???
Bolton Private hire car 1018 from Lever Cars picked me up. Got in his cab and the milometer wasn't zeroed, it read 0.5 miles. I politely pointed out that he hadn't zeroed his trip and he just continued without acknowledging me, I told him again twice more. Got home and he charged me for the full mileage on his mileometer. Not the first time, nor will it be the last. They are attempting to take advantage of people the worse for drink, unlucky for this guy I was on the ball and hopefully Bolton Licensing will deal with him. Bradshawgate Private hire tried this regularly so I stopped using them. Anyone got the licensing number??? pecky2k

4:19pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Sickandtiredoffit says...

we got two cabs same place same destination 1 followed the other first cab £4.50 second cab £6.50 the second cab driver could not speak any english and at best his driving was poor £6.50 he barked £6.50 so when the police ask him has he got any convictions be prepared to hear £6.50 cabs in Bolton a joke no meter no english utter shambles by BOLTON COUNCIL YET AGAIN .
we got two cabs same place same destination 1 followed the other first cab £4.50 second cab £6.50 the second cab driver could not speak any english and at best his driving was poor £6.50 he barked £6.50 so when the police ask him has he got any convictions be prepared to hear £6.50 cabs in Bolton a joke no meter no english utter shambles by BOLTON COUNCIL YET AGAIN . Sickandtiredoffit

5:12pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

Jim271 wrote:
Regulatory man, there's more money to be made issueing fines than to actually enforcing traffic law.

Besides one taxi, three different drivers.
The same as police cars then.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Regulatory man, there's more money to be made issueing fines than to actually enforcing traffic law. Besides one taxi, three different drivers.[/p][/quote]The same as police cars then. Donkey Stone

5:16pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

pecky2k wrote:
Bolton Private hire car 1018 from Lever Cars picked me up.
Got in his cab and the milometer wasn't zeroed, it read 0.5 miles. I politely pointed out that he hadn't zeroed his trip and he just continued without acknowledging me, I told him again twice more.
Got home and he charged me for the full mileage on his mileometer.
Not the first time, nor will it be the last. They are attempting to take advantage of people the worse for drink, unlucky for this guy I was on the ball and hopefully Bolton Licensing will deal with him. Bradshawgate Private hire tried this regularly so I stopped using them.
Anyone got the licensing number???
01204 336584 Good Luck.
[quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Bolton Private hire car 1018 from Lever Cars picked me up. Got in his cab and the milometer wasn't zeroed, it read 0.5 miles. I politely pointed out that he hadn't zeroed his trip and he just continued without acknowledging me, I told him again twice more. Got home and he charged me for the full mileage on his mileometer. Not the first time, nor will it be the last. They are attempting to take advantage of people the worse for drink, unlucky for this guy I was on the ball and hopefully Bolton Licensing will deal with him. Bradshawgate Private hire tried this regularly so I stopped using them. Anyone got the licensing number???[/p][/quote]01204 336584 Good Luck. Donkey Stone

5:20pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

thomas222 wrote:
It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.
Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.[/p][/quote]Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public Donkey Stone

7:12pm Wed 8 Jan 14

atlas123 says...

http://goo.gl/maps/P
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Metro Driver 9341


Having a ****! I wouldn't care but the office is only 300yrds away!
http://goo.gl/maps/P yfw3 Metro Driver 9341 Having a ****! I wouldn't care but the office is only 300yrds away! atlas123

7:27pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Harkin about says...

Private hire cars can charge whatever they want, but have to have the rate on a card in the car there are no set prices apart from the ones the opearators use. I always agree a price before setting off and then ther are no issues. Simples.
If you dont like the price then take it up with the operator, not the driver, as they are the ones you have the contract with. Its a civil matter with private hire cars if you refuse to pay for a legitimate and lawful reason.
Private hire cars can charge whatever they want, but have to have the rate on a card in the car there are no set prices apart from the ones the opearators use. I always agree a price before setting off and then ther are no issues. Simples. If you dont like the price then take it up with the operator, not the driver, as they are the ones you have the contract with. Its a civil matter with private hire cars if you refuse to pay for a legitimate and lawful reason. Harkin about

8:02pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Oldhampal says...

Drivers responsible for taking members of the public from A to B must be accountable, this includes Bus Drivers Taxi Drivers black cab, mini coaches etc. some of these type of drivers have been seen driving unsafe by many of us going through red lights is the favourite for Bus Drivers, (offence) speeding is the favourite for Taxi Drivers,(offence) driving whilst using a mobile phone, (offence)taxi drivers, smoking in the cab (offence)bus and taxi drivers driving without a seat belt when no passengers in the taxi (offence).
Some drivers or their companies overcharge, have very poor driving skills, let's publish the bus route number day time of violation, use licence number for taxis. Let's have spot checks for licence and insurance."
Bolton Council should revoke licences of offenders in the interim whilst the case is heard all edged offenders should not be allowed to carry on driving.
Drivers responsible for taking members of the public from A to B must be accountable, this includes Bus Drivers Taxi Drivers black cab, mini coaches etc. some of these type of drivers have been seen driving unsafe by many of us going through red lights is the favourite for Bus Drivers, (offence) speeding is the favourite for Taxi Drivers,(offence) driving whilst using a mobile phone, (offence)taxi drivers, smoking in the cab (offence)bus and taxi drivers driving without a seat belt when no passengers in the taxi (offence). Some drivers or their companies overcharge, have very poor driving skills, let's publish the bus route number day time of violation, use licence number for taxis. Let's have spot checks for licence and insurance." Bolton Council should revoke licences of offenders in the interim whilst the case is heard all edged offenders should not be allowed to carry on driving. Oldhampal

8:21pm Wed 8 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Donkey Stone wrote:
thomas222 wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.
Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public
Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.[/p][/quote]Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public[/p][/quote]Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure. thomas222

8:42pm Wed 8 Jan 14

wsw69 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Donkey Stone wrote:
thomas222 wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.
Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public
Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.
Donkey Stone is correct. The sign on the vehicle means absolutely zero in law. If the taxi is covered under a taxi policy then that drivers policy has a LEGAL duty to cover all third parties as a minimum level of cover.

If the taxi driver operates illegally, eg; picking up from streets and not through his office then he is committing an offence which contravenes the law, it does not invalidate his insurance to third parties, be those third parties being people, property or other vehicles. It would possibly invalidate him/her claiming for loss of his cab in a write off situation, claiming personal injuries, loss of earnings and similar.

There are NO insurance policies that exist in so far as much as the old myth that company vehicles are only insured in company hours. That also applies to taxis. If a person was to be caught driving a company van for example out of work hours, that would be driving without consent - effectively as the police call it TWOC, taking without consent. The insurance still applies but the driver would be up for prosecution under a charge of driving uninsured.

As most private hire drivers own their own car and are self employed they wouldn't be able to be prosecuted for TWOC.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.[/p][/quote]Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public[/p][/quote]Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.[/p][/quote]Donkey Stone is correct. The sign on the vehicle means absolutely zero in law. If the taxi is covered under a taxi policy then that drivers policy has a LEGAL duty to cover all third parties as a minimum level of cover. If the taxi driver operates illegally, eg; picking up from streets and not through his office then he is committing an offence which contravenes the law, it does not invalidate his insurance to third parties, be those third parties being people, property or other vehicles. It would possibly invalidate him/her claiming for loss of his cab in a write off situation, claiming personal injuries, loss of earnings and similar. There are NO insurance policies that exist in so far as much as the old myth that company vehicles are only insured in company hours. That also applies to taxis. If a person was to be caught driving a company van for example out of work hours, that would be driving without consent - effectively as the police call it TWOC, taking without consent. The insurance still applies but the driver would be up for prosecution under a charge of driving uninsured. As most private hire drivers own their own car and are self employed they wouldn't be able to be prosecuted for TWOC. wsw69

8:59pm Wed 8 Jan 14

wsw69 says...

And let us not forget why the Motor Insurers Bureau exists - it's to pay compensation to people where a driver is uninsured so that an avenue of legal redress is in place.

The MIB is funded directly by ALL UK insurers from the current level of £46 per vehicle policy premium that every legitimate driver pays. Every vehicle policy starts with this £46 and then the cover and risk element charges are on top.
And let us not forget why the Motor Insurers Bureau exists - it's to pay compensation to people where a driver is uninsured so that an avenue of legal redress is in place. The MIB is funded directly by ALL UK insurers from the current level of £46 per vehicle policy premium that every legitimate driver pays. Every vehicle policy starts with this £46 and then the cover and risk element charges are on top. wsw69

12:01am Thu 9 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

wsw69 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Donkey Stone wrote:
thomas222 wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.
Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public
Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.
Donkey Stone is correct. The sign on the vehicle means absolutely zero in law. If the taxi is covered under a taxi policy then that drivers policy has a LEGAL duty to cover all third parties as a minimum level of cover. If the taxi driver operates illegally, eg; picking up from streets and not through his office then he is committing an offence which contravenes the law, it does not invalidate his insurance to third parties, be those third parties being people, property or other vehicles. It would possibly invalidate him/her claiming for loss of his cab in a write off situation, claiming personal injuries, loss of earnings and similar. There are NO insurance policies that exist in so far as much as the old myth that company vehicles are only insured in company hours. That also applies to taxis. If a person was to be caught driving a company van for example out of work hours, that would be driving without consent - effectively as the police call it TWOC, taking without consent. The insurance still applies but the driver would be up for prosecution under a charge of driving uninsured. As most private hire drivers own their own car and are self employed they wouldn't be able to be prosecuted for TWOC.
Understand.. my point was they are commiting a crime.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.[/p][/quote]Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public[/p][/quote]Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.[/p][/quote]Donkey Stone is correct. The sign on the vehicle means absolutely zero in law. If the taxi is covered under a taxi policy then that drivers policy has a LEGAL duty to cover all third parties as a minimum level of cover. If the taxi driver operates illegally, eg; picking up from streets and not through his office then he is committing an offence which contravenes the law, it does not invalidate his insurance to third parties, be those third parties being people, property or other vehicles. It would possibly invalidate him/her claiming for loss of his cab in a write off situation, claiming personal injuries, loss of earnings and similar. There are NO insurance policies that exist in so far as much as the old myth that company vehicles are only insured in company hours. That also applies to taxis. If a person was to be caught driving a company van for example out of work hours, that would be driving without consent - effectively as the police call it TWOC, taking without consent. The insurance still applies but the driver would be up for prosecution under a charge of driving uninsured. As most private hire drivers own their own car and are self employed they wouldn't be able to be prosecuted for TWOC.[/p][/quote]Understand.. my point was they are commiting a crime. thomas222

7:41am Thu 9 Jan 14

Blazer97 says...

I used the same taxi firm when my car was out of action for a week. The drivers have no consideration for other road users and we were involved in a road rage incident with a bus. The taxi driver was shouting and swearing in front of my young children. When we reached our destination I was asked how much I wanted to pay not how much I was due to pay. I know some of the taxi drivers are good but I would much rather try and dodge the careless ones in my own car rather than take my life in my hands sitting in the back of one of the dodgy taxis.
I used the same taxi firm when my car was out of action for a week. The drivers have no consideration for other road users and we were involved in a road rage incident with a bus. The taxi driver was shouting and swearing in front of my young children. When we reached our destination I was asked how much I wanted to pay not how much I was due to pay. I know some of the taxi drivers are good but I would much rather try and dodge the careless ones in my own car rather than take my life in my hands sitting in the back of one of the dodgy taxis. Blazer97

12:55pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

thomas222 wrote:
Donkey Stone wrote:
thomas222 wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.
Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public
Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.
Wrong again mate. Social,domestic and pleasure use is also covered.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.[/p][/quote]Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public[/p][/quote]Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.[/p][/quote]Wrong again mate. Social,domestic and pleasure use is also covered. Donkey Stone

1:00pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

Oldhampal wrote:
Drivers responsible for taking members of the public from A to B must be accountable, this includes Bus Drivers Taxi Drivers black cab, mini coaches etc. some of these type of drivers have been seen driving unsafe by many of us going through red lights is the favourite for Bus Drivers, (offence) speeding is the favourite for Taxi Drivers,(offence) driving whilst using a mobile phone, (offence)taxi drivers, smoking in the cab (offence)bus and taxi drivers driving without a seat belt when no passengers in the taxi (offence).
Some drivers or their companies overcharge, have very poor driving skills, let's publish the bus route number day time of violation, use licence number for taxis. Let's have spot checks for licence and insurance."
Bolton Council should revoke licences of offenders in the interim whilst the case is heard all edged offenders should not be allowed to carry on driving.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty. Is it right if you lose your income on the strength of an unproven allegation?
[quote][p][bold]Oldhampal[/bold] wrote: Drivers responsible for taking members of the public from A to B must be accountable, this includes Bus Drivers Taxi Drivers black cab, mini coaches etc. some of these type of drivers have been seen driving unsafe by many of us going through red lights is the favourite for Bus Drivers, (offence) speeding is the favourite for Taxi Drivers,(offence) driving whilst using a mobile phone, (offence)taxi drivers, smoking in the cab (offence)bus and taxi drivers driving without a seat belt when no passengers in the taxi (offence). Some drivers or their companies overcharge, have very poor driving skills, let's publish the bus route number day time of violation, use licence number for taxis. Let's have spot checks for licence and insurance." Bolton Council should revoke licences of offenders in the interim whilst the case is heard all edged offenders should not be allowed to carry on driving.[/p][/quote]What happened to innocent until proven guilty. Is it right if you lose your income on the strength of an unproven allegation? Donkey Stone

1:19pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

Harkin about wrote:
Private hire cars can charge whatever they want, but have to have the rate on a card in the car there are no set prices apart from the ones the opearators use. I always agree a price before setting off and then ther are no issues. Simples.
If you dont like the price then take it up with the operator, not the driver, as they are the ones you have the contract with. Its a civil matter with private hire cars if you refuse to pay for a legitimate and lawful reason.
By law the fare has to be agreed between the operator and the customer. Not the driver.
[quote][p][bold]Harkin about[/bold] wrote: Private hire cars can charge whatever they want, but have to have the rate on a card in the car there are no set prices apart from the ones the opearators use. I always agree a price before setting off and then ther are no issues. Simples. If you dont like the price then take it up with the operator, not the driver, as they are the ones you have the contract with. Its a civil matter with private hire cars if you refuse to pay for a legitimate and lawful reason.[/p][/quote]By law the fare has to be agreed between the operator and the customer. Not the driver. Donkey Stone

1:25pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

Regulatory Man wrote:
regularly see metro cabs and others in Bolton with lights out not working - very roadworthy indeed! They undertake, jump red lights regularly. Even these so called licensed ones I wouldn't trust any of my family to be safe in.

What are you doing about those GMP, Bolton Council? lack of traffic officers allows them to get away with it and even when reported nothing appears to be done.

Shame as the absolutely genuine taxi drivers who do it right get tarred as a result. And believe me there are many good drivers with well maintained vehicles.
Just for the sake of balance. How many cars that aren't taxis do you see commiting the same offences?
[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote: regularly see metro cabs and others in Bolton with lights out not working - very roadworthy indeed! They undertake, jump red lights regularly. Even these so called licensed ones I wouldn't trust any of my family to be safe in. What are you doing about those GMP, Bolton Council? lack of traffic officers allows them to get away with it and even when reported nothing appears to be done. Shame as the absolutely genuine taxi drivers who do it right get tarred as a result. And believe me there are many good drivers with well maintained vehicles.[/p][/quote]Just for the sake of balance. How many cars that aren't taxis do you see commiting the same offences? Donkey Stone

1:39pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

Whilst I agree with some points made on here, it must be understood that the council are responsible for a lot of these problems. They are primarily interested in vote catching and with that in mind have made some stupid decisions over the last few years. The council also illegally use monies collected for taxi licensing enforcement to prop up other parts of the collapsing town we live in. I have asked the BN many times to highlight this but it has never happened. The chair of the licensing commitee is Rosa Kay, I would suggest you all get in touch with her and voice your concerns. Once again, good luck with that one.
Whilst I agree with some points made on here, it must be understood that the council are responsible for a lot of these problems. They are primarily interested in vote catching and with that in mind have made some stupid decisions over the last few years. The council also illegally use monies collected for taxi licensing enforcement to prop up other parts of the collapsing town we live in. I have asked the BN many times to highlight this but it has never happened. The chair of the licensing commitee is Rosa Kay, I would suggest you all get in touch with her and voice your concerns. Once again, good luck with that one. Donkey Stone

1:42pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

thomas222 wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Donkey Stone wrote:
thomas222 wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.
Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public
Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.
Donkey Stone is correct. The sign on the vehicle means absolutely zero in law. If the taxi is covered under a taxi policy then that drivers policy has a LEGAL duty to cover all third parties as a minimum level of cover. If the taxi driver operates illegally, eg; picking up from streets and not through his office then he is committing an offence which contravenes the law, it does not invalidate his insurance to third parties, be those third parties being people, property or other vehicles. It would possibly invalidate him/her claiming for loss of his cab in a write off situation, claiming personal injuries, loss of earnings and similar. There are NO insurance policies that exist in so far as much as the old myth that company vehicles are only insured in company hours. That also applies to taxis. If a person was to be caught driving a company van for example out of work hours, that would be driving without consent - effectively as the police call it TWOC, taking without consent. The insurance still applies but the driver would be up for prosecution under a charge of driving uninsured. As most private hire drivers own their own car and are self employed they wouldn't be able to be prosecuted for TWOC.
Understand.. my point was they are commiting a crime.
Yes they are.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: It is also illegal carrying any person not booked through a office as a legal fare. This also means Children being dropped of at schools and any family members as the insurance is null and void if they have a accident.[/p][/quote]Wrong mate. By law the insurance company have to indemnify all third parties. I know what is printed on the stickers on private hire vehicles and I have long ago given up telling the council that they are misleading the public[/p][/quote]Has to go through a office system as they are insured as a taxi and not for social and pleasure.[/p][/quote]Donkey Stone is correct. The sign on the vehicle means absolutely zero in law. If the taxi is covered under a taxi policy then that drivers policy has a LEGAL duty to cover all third parties as a minimum level of cover. If the taxi driver operates illegally, eg; picking up from streets and not through his office then he is committing an offence which contravenes the law, it does not invalidate his insurance to third parties, be those third parties being people, property or other vehicles. It would possibly invalidate him/her claiming for loss of his cab in a write off situation, claiming personal injuries, loss of earnings and similar. There are NO insurance policies that exist in so far as much as the old myth that company vehicles are only insured in company hours. That also applies to taxis. If a person was to be caught driving a company van for example out of work hours, that would be driving without consent - effectively as the police call it TWOC, taking without consent. The insurance still applies but the driver would be up for prosecution under a charge of driving uninsured. As most private hire drivers own their own car and are self employed they wouldn't be able to be prosecuted for TWOC.[/p][/quote]Understand.. my point was they are commiting a crime.[/p][/quote]Yes they are. Donkey Stone

8:53pm Thu 9 Jan 14

morganof4 says...

Why does this industry avoid the regulation all other industries endure.8hrs a day driving day&night,surely these drivers should be tested and qualified to at least advanced driver standards with defensive driving skills a priority.If a forklift or dumper driver is tested and qualified above the driving test standard the so should all drivers engaged in transporting public and passengers.come on Bolton council be the first to insist on high driving standards
Why does this industry avoid the regulation all other industries endure.8hrs a day driving day&night,surely these drivers should be tested and qualified to at least advanced driver standards with defensive driving skills a priority.If a forklift or dumper driver is tested and qualified above the driving test standard the so should all drivers engaged in transporting public and passengers.come on Bolton council be the first to insist on high driving standards morganof4

10:22am Fri 10 Jan 14

Regulatory Man says...

Donkey Stone wrote:
Regulatory Man wrote:
regularly see metro cabs and others in Bolton with lights out not working - very roadworthy indeed! They undertake, jump red lights regularly. Even these so called licensed ones I wouldn't trust any of my family to be safe in.

What are you doing about those GMP, Bolton Council? lack of traffic officers allows them to get away with it and even when reported nothing appears to be done.

Shame as the absolutely genuine taxi drivers who do it right get tarred as a result. And believe me there are many good drivers with well maintained vehicles.
Just for the sake of balance. How many cars that aren't taxis do you see commiting the same offences?
Agreed - it's certainly rife among all drivers of all vehicle types, but not all drivers are transporting members of the public in a paid for service.
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote: regularly see metro cabs and others in Bolton with lights out not working - very roadworthy indeed! They undertake, jump red lights regularly. Even these so called licensed ones I wouldn't trust any of my family to be safe in. What are you doing about those GMP, Bolton Council? lack of traffic officers allows them to get away with it and even when reported nothing appears to be done. Shame as the absolutely genuine taxi drivers who do it right get tarred as a result. And believe me there are many good drivers with well maintained vehicles.[/p][/quote]Just for the sake of balance. How many cars that aren't taxis do you see commiting the same offences?[/p][/quote]Agreed - it's certainly rife among all drivers of all vehicle types, but not all drivers are transporting members of the public in a paid for service. Regulatory Man

11:01am Fri 10 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

Regulatory Man wrote:
Donkey Stone wrote:
Regulatory Man wrote:
regularly see metro cabs and others in Bolton with lights out not working - very roadworthy indeed! They undertake, jump red lights regularly. Even these so called licensed ones I wouldn't trust any of my family to be safe in.

What are you doing about those GMP, Bolton Council? lack of traffic officers allows them to get away with it and even when reported nothing appears to be done.

Shame as the absolutely genuine taxi drivers who do it right get tarred as a result. And believe me there are many good drivers with well maintained vehicles.
Just for the sake of balance. How many cars that aren't taxis do you see commiting the same offences?
Agreed - it's certainly rife among all drivers of all vehicle types, but not all drivers are transporting members of the public in a paid for service.
Agreed,but bad driving causes accidents whether the people involved are paying or not. When two cars collide the result is exactly the same irrespective of the vehicles having a plate on it. All drivers are responsible for their actions.
[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote: regularly see metro cabs and others in Bolton with lights out not working - very roadworthy indeed! They undertake, jump red lights regularly. Even these so called licensed ones I wouldn't trust any of my family to be safe in. What are you doing about those GMP, Bolton Council? lack of traffic officers allows them to get away with it and even when reported nothing appears to be done. Shame as the absolutely genuine taxi drivers who do it right get tarred as a result. And believe me there are many good drivers with well maintained vehicles.[/p][/quote]Just for the sake of balance. How many cars that aren't taxis do you see commiting the same offences?[/p][/quote]Agreed - it's certainly rife among all drivers of all vehicle types, but not all drivers are transporting members of the public in a paid for service.[/p][/quote]Agreed,but bad driving causes accidents whether the people involved are paying or not. When two cars collide the result is exactly the same irrespective of the vehicles having a plate on it. All drivers are responsible for their actions. Donkey Stone

4:49pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

All private hire drivers ought to go on strike and put Bolton to a standstill. Let the revellers walk back, bus/train it back or get a black cab back. All whingers on this forum, arrange alternative methods of transport are available.
All private hire drivers ought to go on strike and put Bolton to a standstill. Let the revellers walk back, bus/train it back or get a black cab back. All whingers on this forum, arrange alternative methods of transport are available. Greasy Chip Butty

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