'Bedroom tax': 'Pay up or get out,' says Iain Duncan Smith

'Bedroom tax': 'Pay up or get out,' says Iain Duncan Smith

Iain Duncan Smith talks to reporter Elaine O’Flynn during his visit to Bolton

Linda Charnock, chairman of Bolton Against Bedroom Tax

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CAMPAIGNERS have vowed to step up their fight against the “bedroom tax” after a top Tory told Bolton’s social housing tenants to pay up — or get out.

Iain Duncan Smith, Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, said he believed people should “find more hours at work” if they have been hit by the under-occupancy charge.

Under the charge, people with a spare room in their council or social housing association property, have their benefit cut.

Dubbed the “bedroom tax”, it has sparked outrage both nationally and in Bolton, with a campaign group set up in the town.

Mr Duncan Smith, on a visit to missile firm MBDA in Lostock on Friday, argued there is a desperate need to address the quarter of a million overcrowded homes left by the previous government, as well as the million people on waiting lists for social housing.

Meanwhile, he added the government has enabled 150,000 more houses to be built to meet demand.

Mr Duncan Smith said: “We’re doing this because you have to make sure that those in the most need get the housing available.

“And nobody ever hears from the families locked into overcrowded homes, whose lives are quite miserable because they can’t get the right house.”

He added: “Taxpayers on marginal or low incomes pay a lot of money to housing benefit, for people to live in homes they themselves can’t afford to live in.

“So I’m simply saying, let’s get a bit of fairness in this and say that if you want to live in a home like that, then we think you should pay a little bit more if that’s your choice and to that end go and find more hours of work – it isn’t that many more hours.

“This is a balance — you need to take choices. Those who are suffering through overcrowding, we need to find a better way in for them into homes that are currently overblocked because people are living in them who don’t use all the rooms.”

But Bolton’s anti-bedroom tax campaigners have hit back at his comments.

Linda Charnock, chairman of campaigning group Bolton Against Bedroom Tax, said: “It’s not as simple as just getting a few more hours’ work — we have someone supporting our campaign who works two jobs to pay the charge.

“If you work extra hours, then your housing benefit decreases, meaning the bedroom tax then goes up.

“And when you go to the job centre many of the jobs are for zero-hour contracts, so the hours aren’t assured.

“We’re not going to stop fighting and campaigning against this issue.”

Last year Bolton at Home became the first housing association in the country to introduce a “no homelessness” policy to help those affected by the charge.

The “bedroom tax” was introduced in April last year.

Having one spare bedroom means housing benefit could be reduced by £14 a week.

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12:19pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Bowden Boy says...

I own my house and pay council tax through banding. I have three bedrooms and because my children have grown up and left home, we now only use one. My wife and I who don't want to down size, have to pay for the unused bedrooms, so social housing renters should also pay.
I own my house and pay council tax through banding. I have three bedrooms and because my children have grown up and left home, we now only use one. My wife and I who don't want to down size, have to pay for the unused bedrooms, so social housing renters should also pay. Bowden Boy
  • Score: -84

12:37pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Regulatory Man says...

Ian Duncan Smith is typical of a Conservative Party Politician whose view of reality is one that was drawn up by Azimov. It certainly isn't one of the real world.

The Tories are taking every last penny out of the vulnerable as a means of hitting those who cheat the system. Unfortunately their policies and those supported by the lily livered Liberals is hitting the Vulnerable and they know it but couldn't care less.

If you vote for this shower you are as bad as they are.
Ian Duncan Smith is typical of a Conservative Party Politician whose view of reality is one that was drawn up by Azimov. It certainly isn't one of the real world. The Tories are taking every last penny out of the vulnerable as a means of hitting those who cheat the system. Unfortunately their policies and those supported by the lily livered Liberals is hitting the Vulnerable and they know it but couldn't care less. If you vote for this shower you are as bad as they are. Regulatory Man
  • Score: 112

12:51pm Mon 13 Jan 14

twowok says...

I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap.
Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture!
I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture! twowok
  • Score: 178

12:54pm Mon 13 Jan 14

AndyMorton says...

Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !! AndyMorton
  • Score: 54

1:01pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

UKIP are the only Political Party opposed to the Bedroom Tax. Lib/Lab/Cons are not!
UKIP are the only Political Party opposed to the Bedroom Tax. Lib/Lab/Cons are not! thomas222
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Rivertin says...

AndyMorton wrote:
Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
We have room for loads, loads of empty bedrooms!

Now my spare one needs decorating before I would let it out, so there's a job created straight away.
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]We have room for loads, loads of empty bedrooms! Now my spare one needs decorating before I would let it out, so there's a job created straight away. Rivertin
  • Score: -43

1:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

There is a story in the MEN of a single male who is facing eviction due to arrears as a result of the bedroom tax.

He's not worked in years and lives in a three bed roomed semi detatched.

As a hard working person who lives in a two bedroomed terrace I am under the impression that allowing a freeloader(he's not worked for years yet is not disabled) to live in a three bed room house is taking the micky.

Why was he allowed to live in a council house by himself for so long???

Isn't it about time the people who pay tax got some money back for a change????
There is a story in the MEN of a single male who is facing eviction due to arrears as a result of the bedroom tax. He's not worked in years and lives in a three bed roomed semi detatched. As a hard working person who lives in a two bedroomed terrace I am under the impression that allowing a freeloader(he's not worked for years yet is not disabled) to live in a three bed room house is taking the micky. Why was he allowed to live in a council house by himself for so long??? Isn't it about time the people who pay tax got some money back for a change???? Jim271
  • Score: 11

1:32pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Do Councils take any responsibility for putting people in bigger houses than they needed take any responsibility and also the various governments not building one and two bedroom social housing over the years. Their crimes but ordinary people paying the penalty.
Do Councils take any responsibility for putting people in bigger houses than they needed take any responsibility and also the various governments not building one and two bedroom social housing over the years. Their crimes but ordinary people paying the penalty. thomas222
  • Score: 64

1:37pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Regulatory Man says...

Is this the same bloke, Ian Duncan Smith MP who spent, no wait - WASTED!£10k of public money on a self portrait of himself. See here;
https://twitter.com/
FelicityMorse/status
/422716825101557760/
photo/1

Now he's banging on about saving public money and he's getting away with this. Hypocrite, just like the rest of the political parties politicians who spent over £250k on similar. Take a Bow Diane Abbott MP, Ken Clarke MP, Tony Blair etc. There's plenty others.
Is this the same bloke, Ian Duncan Smith MP who spent, no wait - WASTED!£10k of public money on a self portrait of himself. See here; https://twitter.com/ FelicityMorse/status /422716825101557760/ photo/1 Now he's banging on about saving public money and he's getting away with this. Hypocrite, just like the rest of the political parties politicians who spent over £250k on similar. Take a Bow Diane Abbott MP, Ken Clarke MP, Tony Blair etc. There's plenty others. Regulatory Man
  • Score: 95

1:39pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

It’s all well and good these campaign group and talking about millionaire Tories, but those on the far left are quickly becoming isolated. The bedroom tax is of little political interest to the right of the Tory party. They are concerned with immigration and Europe. The people for the bedroom tax are hardworking people having to make decisions on the number of children and their lifestyle based on earnings.

Is it right that two teachers starting out earning 46k combined will live in a worse house than some work shy free loader. The other argument is those who are "hard working" on minimum wage. For starters anyone on a minimum wage is not hard working. Working at in a shop requires little brain power. Most of these individuals, are the same people who messed around at school, the lazy types the school bullies the class clown. Why not be a plumber,builder, salesperson, admin etc and earn a decent wage.

The main problem about all this is a think the welfare state is what makes this country great. The Disabled the elderly should be rewarded and live in good standard, warm accommodation with all their other needs catered for at the highest standards. The problem is the workshy and dumb are leaching up all the available cash from the needy. If they left do not recognise this problem, more than losing elections they will allow the Tories to destroy the welfare state for those who need it. Yes we want to stop tax avoidance, yes it probably costs us more. But I would rather a millionaire employing 1000 people paying 10% less than seeing whole communities out of work and not even trying. These areas also breed criminal activity. This is more damaging to me and is more frustrating. £14 a week is three hours’ work. Clean a car, clean a neighbour’s house. Most of all don’t allow your children such as poor existence. Those with drive and ambition don’t earn minimum wage. They might not earn a lot, but better to have a little earned, than a lot given.
It’s all well and good these campaign group and talking about millionaire Tories, but those on the far left are quickly becoming isolated. The bedroom tax is of little political interest to the right of the Tory party. They are concerned with immigration and Europe. The people for the bedroom tax are hardworking people having to make decisions on the number of children and their lifestyle based on earnings. Is it right that two teachers starting out earning 46k combined will live in a worse house than some work shy free loader. The other argument is those who are "hard working" on minimum wage. For starters anyone on a minimum wage is not hard working. Working at in a shop requires little brain power. Most of these individuals, are the same people who messed around at school, the lazy types the school bullies the class clown. Why not be a plumber,builder, salesperson, admin etc and earn a decent wage. The main problem about all this is a think the welfare state is what makes this country great. The Disabled the elderly should be rewarded and live in good standard, warm accommodation with all their other needs catered for at the highest standards. The problem is the workshy and dumb are leaching up all the available cash from the needy. If they left do not recognise this problem, more than losing elections they will allow the Tories to destroy the welfare state for those who need it. Yes we want to stop tax avoidance, yes it probably costs us more. But I would rather a millionaire employing 1000 people paying 10% less than seeing whole communities out of work and not even trying. These areas also breed criminal activity. This is more damaging to me and is more frustrating. £14 a week is three hours’ work. Clean a car, clean a neighbour’s house. Most of all don’t allow your children such as poor existence. Those with drive and ambition don’t earn minimum wage. They might not earn a lot, but better to have a little earned, than a lot given. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: -53

1:45pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Gill bolton says...

They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.
They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going. Gill bolton
  • Score: 71

1:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

Bowden Boy wrote:
I own my house and pay council tax through banding. I have three bedrooms and because my children have grown up and left home, we now only use one. My wife and I who don't want to down size, have to pay for the unused bedrooms, so social housing renters should also pay.
spot on
[quote][p][bold]Bowden Boy[/bold] wrote: I own my house and pay council tax through banding. I have three bedrooms and because my children have grown up and left home, we now only use one. My wife and I who don't want to down size, have to pay for the unused bedrooms, so social housing renters should also pay.[/p][/quote]spot on Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: -43

1:57pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

Gill bolton wrote:
They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.
Real people work hard at school, get a higher education or go into a trade. Work hard get promoted and provide for their family. Anyone who does not want to do this for all I care can go rot. If they do fall on hard times ie,redundancy then the state will be able to help them to get back on their feet in a correct and fair system. Sitting in a council house does not make you real. It puts you in the bottom 1% of achievers. Some of these people do need to get REAL. Working class people are sick of paying for you.
[quote][p][bold]Gill bolton[/bold] wrote: They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.[/p][/quote]Real people work hard at school, get a higher education or go into a trade. Work hard get promoted and provide for their family. Anyone who does not want to do this for all I care can go rot. If they do fall on hard times ie,redundancy then the state will be able to help them to get back on their feet in a correct and fair system. Sitting in a council house does not make you real. It puts you in the bottom 1% of achievers. Some of these people do need to get REAL. Working class people are sick of paying for you. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: -54

2:04pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
Gill bolton wrote: They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.
Real people work hard at school, get a higher education or go into a trade. Work hard get promoted and provide for their family. Anyone who does not want to do this for all I care can go rot. If they do fall on hard times ie,redundancy then the state will be able to help them to get back on their feet in a correct and fair system. Sitting in a council house does not make you real. It puts you in the bottom 1% of achievers. Some of these people do need to get REAL. Working class people are sick of paying for you.
And many working class people dont get paid enough to cover even social housing and have to get money from the tax payers to top it up..... who is the real villain. Labour for not caring about the issue and rather than hit the employers to pay more they hit the taxpayer. Some working class party!!
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill bolton[/bold] wrote: They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.[/p][/quote]Real people work hard at school, get a higher education or go into a trade. Work hard get promoted and provide for their family. Anyone who does not want to do this for all I care can go rot. If they do fall on hard times ie,redundancy then the state will be able to help them to get back on their feet in a correct and fair system. Sitting in a council house does not make you real. It puts you in the bottom 1% of achievers. Some of these people do need to get REAL. Working class people are sick of paying for you.[/p][/quote]And many working class people dont get paid enough to cover even social housing and have to get money from the tax payers to top it up..... who is the real villain. Labour for not caring about the issue and rather than hit the employers to pay more they hit the taxpayer. Some working class party!! thomas222
  • Score: 37

2:26pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whyalla49 says...

twowok wrote:
I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap.
Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture!
you have hit the nail on the head, there are not enough smaller properties to go around. Yes also the tory ( no capital ) party has everyone fighting amongst their selves while they live in luxury in the Kremlin ( parliament ) and laugh at all of us. By they way I to pay the Bedroom Tax and it is not under occupancy because people just cant move on when their children leave home and why should they its their home.
[quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture![/p][/quote]you have hit the nail on the head, there are not enough smaller properties to go around. Yes also the tory ( no capital ) party has everyone fighting amongst their selves while they live in luxury in the Kremlin ( parliament ) and laugh at all of us. By they way I to pay the Bedroom Tax and it is not under occupancy because people just cant move on when their children leave home and why should they its their home. Whyalla49
  • Score: 57

2:34pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whyalla49 says...

twowok wrote:
I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap.
Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture!
I agree with you the under occupancy is just that a TAX. The people who have had families and the children have moved away just cant pick up and move there is nowhere to go. The tory party have everyone arguing amongst themselves while they live peacefully in the Kremlin ( Parliament ) and laugh at us. I to pay the TAX so I do not get away from the communist who rule this country. Smith is telling everyone Bolton is better than London then does he not move here ( sorry I don't know where he live so I stand corrected by anyone )
[quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture![/p][/quote]I agree with you the under occupancy is just that a TAX. The people who have had families and the children have moved away just cant pick up and move there is nowhere to go. The tory party have everyone arguing amongst themselves while they live peacefully in the Kremlin ( Parliament ) and laugh at us. I to pay the TAX so I do not get away from the communist who rule this country. Smith is telling everyone Bolton is better than London then does he not move here ( sorry I don't know where he live so I stand corrected by anyone ) Whyalla49
  • Score: 30

2:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

pstuart says...

Its pretty obvious in some of the posts that they not only read the Bolton News but the Daily Mail as well.

The 'workshy' are an absolute minority, Benefit fraud is only 0.7% (DWP figures).

This nothing but social engineering, putting the serfs back into their place.
Its pretty obvious in some of the posts that they not only read the Bolton News but the Daily Mail as well. The 'workshy' are an absolute minority, Benefit fraud is only 0.7% (DWP figures). This nothing but social engineering, putting the serfs back into their place. pstuart
  • Score: 55

3:01pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Its called divide and rule and i cant believe people still people fall for it.Look at history its been done for years
Its called divide and rule and i cant believe people still people fall for it.Look at history its been done for years thomas222
  • Score: 60

3:09pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

pstuart wrote:
Its pretty obvious in some of the posts that they not only read the Bolton News but the Daily Mail as well.

The 'workshy' are an absolute minority, Benefit fraud is only 0.7% (DWP figures).

This nothing but social engineering, putting the serfs back into their place.
How would people deciding not to work and claiming money they are entilied to as out of work come under fraud.

I think we all know the government underestimates fraud. Impossible to put a figure on fraud as by definition we are not aware of it.
[quote][p][bold]pstuart[/bold] wrote: Its pretty obvious in some of the posts that they not only read the Bolton News but the Daily Mail as well. The 'workshy' are an absolute minority, Benefit fraud is only 0.7% (DWP figures). This nothing but social engineering, putting the serfs back into their place.[/p][/quote]How would people deciding not to work and claiming money they are entilied to as out of work come under fraud. I think we all know the government underestimates fraud. Impossible to put a figure on fraud as by definition we are not aware of it. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: -40

3:13pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

Whyalla49 wrote:
twowok wrote:
I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap.
Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture!
you have hit the nail on the head, there are not enough smaller properties to go around. Yes also the tory ( no capital ) party has everyone fighting amongst their selves while they live in luxury in the Kremlin ( parliament ) and laugh at all of us. By they way I to pay the Bedroom Tax and it is not under occupancy because people just cant move on when their children leave home and why should they its their home.
Its not YOUR home tax payers pay for it. If people are not using that room you should either pay for the fact you have a spare room currently funded or move out. Or do you want hard working people who pay tax (not the rich Tory types to subsidise you.) i am against privilage for the rich and the lazy/undeducated. Everyone else has to buy a house they can afford.
[quote][p][bold]Whyalla49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture![/p][/quote]you have hit the nail on the head, there are not enough smaller properties to go around. Yes also the tory ( no capital ) party has everyone fighting amongst their selves while they live in luxury in the Kremlin ( parliament ) and laugh at all of us. By they way I to pay the Bedroom Tax and it is not under occupancy because people just cant move on when their children leave home and why should they its their home.[/p][/quote]Its not YOUR home tax payers pay for it. If people are not using that room you should either pay for the fact you have a spare room currently funded or move out. Or do you want hard working people who pay tax (not the rich Tory types to subsidise you.) i am against privilage for the rich and the lazy/undeducated. Everyone else has to buy a house they can afford. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: -44

3:16pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

twowok wrote:
I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture!
What nonsense, this is NOT caused by greedy employers because without willing employees, there would be no employers!!!! If you don't like your employment, you're free to work elsewhere. If everywhere is offering a poor wage, then it's time to face the fact that that wage is all you are worth and cut your cloth accordingly. Another example of someone blaming others for their own short-commings.
[quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture![/p][/quote]What nonsense, this is NOT caused by greedy employers because without willing employees, there would be no employers!!!! If you don't like your employment, you're free to work elsewhere. If everywhere is offering a poor wage, then it's time to face the fact that that wage is all you are worth and cut your cloth accordingly. Another example of someone blaming others for their own short-commings. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -46

3:21pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

Gill bolton wrote:
They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.
It's odd how someone with such poor literacy and poor social skills thinks this way isn't? Quite remarkable.
[quote][p][bold]Gill bolton[/bold] wrote: They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.[/p][/quote]It's odd how someone with such poor literacy and poor social skills thinks this way isn't? Quite remarkable. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -30

3:28pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
twowok wrote: I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture!
What nonsense, this is NOT caused by greedy employers because without willing employees, there would be no employers!!!! If you don't like your employment, you're free to work elsewhere. If everywhere is offering a poor wage, then it's time to face the fact that that wage is all you are worth and cut your cloth accordingly. Another example of someone blaming others for their own short-commings.
Im all right Jack not all people are as blessed as you are.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture![/p][/quote]What nonsense, this is NOT caused by greedy employers because without willing employees, there would be no employers!!!! If you don't like your employment, you're free to work elsewhere. If everywhere is offering a poor wage, then it's time to face the fact that that wage is all you are worth and cut your cloth accordingly. Another example of someone blaming others for their own short-commings.[/p][/quote]Im all right Jack not all people are as blessed as you are. thomas222
  • Score: 35

3:36pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

AndyMorton wrote:
Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we? Don Kiddick
  • Score: -21

3:37pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

thomas222 wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
twowok wrote: I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture!
What nonsense, this is NOT caused by greedy employers because without willing employees, there would be no employers!!!! If you don't like your employment, you're free to work elsewhere. If everywhere is offering a poor wage, then it's time to face the fact that that wage is all you are worth and cut your cloth accordingly. Another example of someone blaming others for their own short-commings.
Im all right Jack not all people are as blessed as you are.
Why not?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I also own my own house and have a spare bedroom, which by the way is irrelevant. But instead of being gullible and believing all the propergander spewed out by the media and Tory party, I realise that it is not that simple. There are not enough one bedroom or small properties to go round, and while £14 doesn’t sound much when you are millionaire, when you are living on below poverty wages it’s a hell of a lot, this is caused through greedy employers who this Tory party allows to pay people below the minimum wage. This is when it wrong when our taxes are subsidising these greedy employers. Can’t you people see this is what the government wants … to divide and conquer … and I’m afraid some of you are falling straight into their trap. Here’s an idea … just try thinking for yourself for a change and see the bigger picture![/p][/quote]What nonsense, this is NOT caused by greedy employers because without willing employees, there would be no employers!!!! If you don't like your employment, you're free to work elsewhere. If everywhere is offering a poor wage, then it's time to face the fact that that wage is all you are worth and cut your cloth accordingly. Another example of someone blaming others for their own short-commings.[/p][/quote]Im all right Jack not all people are as blessed as you are.[/p][/quote]Why not? Don Kiddick
  • Score: -16

4:13pm Mon 13 Jan 14

George X says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote:
Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!! George X
  • Score: 35

4:18pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
That would be "piety" I think.
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!![/p][/quote]That would be "piety" I think. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -8

4:21pm Mon 13 Jan 14

George X says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
That would be "piety" I think.
tosser i says.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!![/p][/quote]That would be "piety" I think.[/p][/quote]tosser i says. George X
  • Score: 15

4:30pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
That would be "piety" I think.
tosser i says.
"I"
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!![/p][/quote]That would be "piety" I think.[/p][/quote]tosser i says.[/p][/quote]"I" Don Kiddick
  • Score: -4

4:37pm Mon 13 Jan 14

tinypet says...

what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. tinypet
  • Score: 22

4:48pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

tinypet wrote:
what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise????

Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own.

If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property.

Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
[quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -31

7:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Frotage says...

The head line " Pay up or get out..." drew my attention. Where in the article does IDS say pay up or get out? I had the Bolton (Evening) News delivered for years but its sloppy journalism and clear political bias lead me to cancel it. I don't slavishly follow one political party which gives me the opportunity to see things from a clear perspective. As a tax payer of over thirty years i feel it is right that if my tax money is paying for your accommodation then we shouldn't have to pay for something larger than you actually need. Also, all the people in social housing who pay full rent, are of pension age or meet the criteria for their property don't have any extra to pay. Ignoring all the housing associations in Bolton except Bolton at Home that means out of 18,500 properties only about 3,500 are affected. Of these i would guess most will either downsize, move or pay the additional rent. Overall the so called 'bedroom tax' probably only affects a small number of people. I would advise these to speak to their land lords or benefits officers who may be able to advise about discretionary housing payments which is a pot of money the council has to assist people who may be struggling.
The head line " Pay up or get out..." drew my attention. Where in the article does IDS say pay up or get out? I had the Bolton (Evening) News delivered for years but its sloppy journalism and clear political bias lead me to cancel it. I don't slavishly follow one political party which gives me the opportunity to see things from a clear perspective. As a tax payer of over thirty years i feel it is right that if my tax money is paying for your accommodation then we shouldn't have to pay for something larger than you actually need. Also, all the people in social housing who pay full rent, are of pension age or meet the criteria for their property don't have any extra to pay. Ignoring all the housing associations in Bolton except Bolton at Home that means out of 18,500 properties only about 3,500 are affected. Of these i would guess most will either downsize, move or pay the additional rent. Overall the so called 'bedroom tax' probably only affects a small number of people. I would advise these to speak to their land lords or benefits officers who may be able to advise about discretionary housing payments which is a pot of money the council has to assist people who may be struggling. Frotage
  • Score: 2

7:52pm Mon 13 Jan 14

AndyMorton says...

George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote:
Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
Who u callin a tosser u bellend i have a job. I have been on my arse pulled myself together and i been to college and got qualifications so thats just **** on your bonfire. Politicians are to blame end of they only see stuff from there point of view not ours so u go pipe down and be a doctor if thats what u want or a dentist end of
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!![/p][/quote]Who u callin a tosser u bellend i have a job. I have been on my arse pulled myself together and i been to college and got qualifications so thats just **** on your bonfire. Politicians are to blame end of they only see stuff from there point of view not ours so u go pipe down and be a doctor if thats what u want or a dentist end of AndyMorton
  • Score: -7

8:35pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Just Thought says...

For most of this lot a job would be a start never mind the extra hours.

Some of these People want quite a lot considering that they don't want to pay for anything.

Well done to the Government as getting to grips with the workshy will get my vote again.
For most of this lot a job would be a start never mind the extra hours. Some of these People want quite a lot considering that they don't want to pay for anything. Well done to the Government as getting to grips with the workshy will get my vote again. Just Thought
  • Score: -15

9:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

AndyMorton wrote:
George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote:
Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
Who u callin a tosser u bellend i have a job. I have been on my arse pulled myself together and i been to college and got qualifications so thats just **** on your bonfire. Politicians are to blame end of they only see stuff from there point of view not ours so u go pipe down and be a doctor if thats what u want or a dentist end of
Errr - it's me he's calling "tosser" not you !!!!
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!![/p][/quote]Who u callin a tosser u bellend i have a job. I have been on my arse pulled myself together and i been to college and got qualifications so thats just **** on your bonfire. Politicians are to blame end of they only see stuff from there point of view not ours so u go pipe down and be a doctor if thats what u want or a dentist end of[/p][/quote]Errr - it's me he's calling "tosser" not you !!!! Don Kiddick
  • Score: 7

9:10pm Mon 13 Jan 14

pecky2k says...

Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!!
Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments.
"Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from??
The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!! pecky2k
  • Score: 14

9:20pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

pecky2k wrote:
Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!!
Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments.
"Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from??
The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.
[quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!![/p][/quote]Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -9

9:25pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Kayj21 says...

We work full time, owned our own house since the age of 22 and 25, pay all our bills (on time) and buy food. Yet it would be nice to have a bit of money left for a holiday, just one every other year would be wonderful. When is the government going to stop handing out freebies and cash to those who don't want to work or those who just come to live in this country just for the benifits and free houses? Of course people with genuine reasons can't work but I've had enough of seeing people who don't work and could, Drink themselves stupid and get high,get in debt and can't pay the bills with the money
they recieve from the government yet go on 3 holidays a year. I work in customer service and it's ridiculous, they come in reeking of alcohol, draw every penny out of the account and complain at us because there bills haven't been paid and have poor credit. There are times when I wish I could stop paying tax as I see nothing for it. We pay dentist bills and prescriptions when required. Just bill me if I use a doctors or emergancy services. It's about time us honest tax paying people were given a break. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
We work full time, owned our own house since the age of 22 and 25, pay all our bills (on time) and buy food. Yet it would be nice to have a bit of money left for a holiday, just one every other year would be wonderful. When is the government going to stop handing out freebies and cash to those who don't want to work or those who just come to live in this country just for the benifits and free houses? Of course people with genuine reasons can't work but I've had enough of seeing people who don't work and could, Drink themselves stupid and get high,get in debt and can't pay the bills with the money they recieve from the government yet go on 3 holidays a year. I work in customer service and it's ridiculous, they come in reeking of alcohol, draw every penny out of the account and complain at us because there bills haven't been paid and have poor credit. There are times when I wish I could stop paying tax as I see nothing for it. We pay dentist bills and prescriptions when required. Just bill me if I use a doctors or emergancy services. It's about time us honest tax paying people were given a break. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Kayj21
  • Score: -2

9:41pm Mon 13 Jan 14

pecky2k says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!!
Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments.
"Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from??
The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.
I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155!
99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either.
And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed.
And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!!
And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!![/p][/quote]Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.[/p][/quote]I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free?? pecky2k
  • Score: 15

9:44pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

Kayj21 wrote:
We work full time, owned our own house since the age of 22 and 25, pay all our bills (on time) and buy food. Yet it would be nice to have a bit of money left for a holiday, just one every other year would be wonderful. When is the government going to stop handing out freebies and cash to those who don't want to work or those who just come to live in this country just for the benifits and free houses? Of course people with genuine reasons can't work but I've had enough of seeing people who don't work and could, Drink themselves stupid and get high,get in debt and can't pay the bills with the money
they recieve from the government yet go on 3 holidays a year. I work in customer service and it's ridiculous, they come in reeking of alcohol, draw every penny out of the account and complain at us because there bills haven't been paid and have poor credit. There are times when I wish I could stop paying tax as I see nothing for it. We pay dentist bills and prescriptions when required. Just bill me if I use a doctors or emergancy services. It's about time us honest tax paying people were given a break. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
Kay, I couldn't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]Kayj21[/bold] wrote: We work full time, owned our own house since the age of 22 and 25, pay all our bills (on time) and buy food. Yet it would be nice to have a bit of money left for a holiday, just one every other year would be wonderful. When is the government going to stop handing out freebies and cash to those who don't want to work or those who just come to live in this country just for the benifits and free houses? Of course people with genuine reasons can't work but I've had enough of seeing people who don't work and could, Drink themselves stupid and get high,get in debt and can't pay the bills with the money they recieve from the government yet go on 3 holidays a year. I work in customer service and it's ridiculous, they come in reeking of alcohol, draw every penny out of the account and complain at us because there bills haven't been paid and have poor credit. There are times when I wish I could stop paying tax as I see nothing for it. We pay dentist bills and prescriptions when required. Just bill me if I use a doctors or emergancy services. It's about time us honest tax paying people were given a break. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon.[/p][/quote]Kay, I couldn't agree more. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -1

10:01pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!!
Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments.
"Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from??
The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.
I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155!
99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either.
And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed.
And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!!
And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??
I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.
[quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!![/p][/quote]Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.[/p][/quote]I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??[/p][/quote]I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs. Don Kiddick
  • Score: 0

10:01pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Just Thought says...

Kayj21 wrote:
We work full time, owned our own house since the age of 22 and 25, pay all our bills (on time) and buy food. Yet it would be nice to have a bit of money left for a holiday, just one every other year would be wonderful. When is the government going to stop handing out freebies and cash to those who don't want to work or those who just come to live in this country just for the benifits and free houses? Of course people with genuine reasons can't work but I've had enough of seeing people who don't work and could, Drink themselves stupid and get high,get in debt and can't pay the bills with the money
they recieve from the government yet go on 3 holidays a year. I work in customer service and it's ridiculous, they come in reeking of alcohol, draw every penny out of the account and complain at us because there bills haven't been paid and have poor credit. There are times when I wish I could stop paying tax as I see nothing for it. We pay dentist bills and prescriptions when required. Just bill me if I use a doctors or emergancy services. It's about time us honest tax paying people were given a break. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
Well said Kayj21
[quote][p][bold]Kayj21[/bold] wrote: We work full time, owned our own house since the age of 22 and 25, pay all our bills (on time) and buy food. Yet it would be nice to have a bit of money left for a holiday, just one every other year would be wonderful. When is the government going to stop handing out freebies and cash to those who don't want to work or those who just come to live in this country just for the benifits and free houses? Of course people with genuine reasons can't work but I've had enough of seeing people who don't work and could, Drink themselves stupid and get high,get in debt and can't pay the bills with the money they recieve from the government yet go on 3 holidays a year. I work in customer service and it's ridiculous, they come in reeking of alcohol, draw every penny out of the account and complain at us because there bills haven't been paid and have poor credit. There are times when I wish I could stop paying tax as I see nothing for it. We pay dentist bills and prescriptions when required. Just bill me if I use a doctors or emergancy services. It's about time us honest tax paying people were given a break. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon.[/p][/quote]Well said Kayj21 Just Thought
  • Score: -5

10:25pm Mon 13 Jan 14

pecky2k says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!!
Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments.
"Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from??
The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.
I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155!
99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either.
And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed.
And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!!
And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??
I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.
Racist, no. I'm a realist.
Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles.
Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies.
We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working.
Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman.
Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home.
And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time....
So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship!
Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind!
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!![/p][/quote]Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.[/p][/quote]I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??[/p][/quote]I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.[/p][/quote]Racist, no. I'm a realist. Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles. Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies. We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working. Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman. Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home. And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time.... So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship! Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind! pecky2k
  • Score: 16

10:49pm Mon 13 Jan 14

pecky2k says...

Anyway, we're off topic DK.
Bottom line is that MP's look out for their own, I'm not wasting anymore time arguing with you, talk is cheap. I'll be voting next time in the hope that my meagre vote can rid our system of people like IDS who are not in touch with reality.
Anyway, we're off topic DK. Bottom line is that MP's look out for their own, I'm not wasting anymore time arguing with you, talk is cheap. I'll be voting next time in the hope that my meagre vote can rid our system of people like IDS who are not in touch with reality. pecky2k
  • Score: 10

8:46am Tue 14 Jan 14

tinypet says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise????

Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own.

If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property.

Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money tinypet
  • Score: 8

10:34am Tue 14 Jan 14

Balboa says...

The UK needs straight talking leaders like IDS. He is right - pay for the house, or find a smaller one.

Those complaining are mainly the same folk who protested about rates and Council tax years ago, demanding those with larger homes pay more. Well, these things come full circle and its time they paid for their larger homes.

It's little wonder the labour supporting Bolton news continues to refer to this charge as a "Bedroom Tax". It isn't. It's a charge for larger properties not fully utilised, as preferred by some persons in our community.
The UK needs straight talking leaders like IDS. He is right - pay for the house, or find a smaller one. Those complaining are mainly the same folk who protested about rates and Council tax years ago, demanding those with larger homes pay more. Well, these things come full circle and its time they paid for their larger homes. It's little wonder the labour supporting Bolton news continues to refer to this charge as a "Bedroom Tax". It isn't. It's a charge for larger properties not fully utilised, as preferred by some persons in our community. Balboa
  • Score: -6

10:39am Tue 14 Jan 14

Comment777 says...

Kayj21 wrote:
We work full time, owned our own house since the age of 22 and 25, pay all our bills (on time) and buy food. Yet it would be nice to have a bit of money left for a holiday, just one every other year would be wonderful. When is the government going to stop handing out freebies and cash to those who don't want to work or those who just come to live in this country just for the benifits and free houses? Of course people with genuine reasons can't work but I've had enough of seeing people who don't work and could, Drink themselves stupid and get high,get in debt and can't pay the bills with the money
they recieve from the government yet go on 3 holidays a year. I work in customer service and it's ridiculous, they come in reeking of alcohol, draw every penny out of the account and complain at us because there bills haven't been paid and have poor credit. There are times when I wish I could stop paying tax as I see nothing for it. We pay dentist bills and prescriptions when required. Just bill me if I use a doctors or emergancy services. It's about time us honest tax paying people were given a break. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
and your taxes over the last ten years have been used to purchase weapons that have been used to kill innocent civilians in many countries...you can stop paying tax you just have to work the system exactly like the politicians have successfully achieved for decades...
[quote][p][bold]Kayj21[/bold] wrote: We work full time, owned our own house since the age of 22 and 25, pay all our bills (on time) and buy food. Yet it would be nice to have a bit of money left for a holiday, just one every other year would be wonderful. When is the government going to stop handing out freebies and cash to those who don't want to work or those who just come to live in this country just for the benifits and free houses? Of course people with genuine reasons can't work but I've had enough of seeing people who don't work and could, Drink themselves stupid and get high,get in debt and can't pay the bills with the money they recieve from the government yet go on 3 holidays a year. I work in customer service and it's ridiculous, they come in reeking of alcohol, draw every penny out of the account and complain at us because there bills haven't been paid and have poor credit. There are times when I wish I could stop paying tax as I see nothing for it. We pay dentist bills and prescriptions when required. Just bill me if I use a doctors or emergancy services. It's about time us honest tax paying people were given a break. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon.[/p][/quote]and your taxes over the last ten years have been used to purchase weapons that have been used to kill innocent civilians in many countries...you can stop paying tax you just have to work the system exactly like the politicians have successfully achieved for decades... Comment777
  • Score: -3

10:48am Tue 14 Jan 14

MrBenggo says...

thomas222 wrote:
Its called divide and rule and i cant believe people still people fall for it.Look at history its been done for years
thomas222,
it is the same with state pensioners,Osborne says another £12 billion of cuts to come,and pensions are guaranteed ,savings will have to come from young people.
"Divide and rule",get the young against the old.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Its called divide and rule and i cant believe people still people fall for it.Look at history its been done for years[/p][/quote]thomas222, it is the same with state pensioners,Osborne says another £12 billion of cuts to come,and pensions are guaranteed ,savings will have to come from young people. "Divide and rule",get the young against the old. MrBenggo
  • Score: 6

10:51am Tue 14 Jan 14

Comment777 says...

pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!!
Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments.
"Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from??
The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.
I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155!
99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either.
And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed.
And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!!
And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??
I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.
Racist, no. I'm a realist.
Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles.
Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies.
We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working.
Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman.
Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home.
And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time....
So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship!
Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind!
There are not enough doctors to support the BHS because it is still elitist, there are so many students who could progress to becoming a GP, Consultant, Surgeon, but if the person is not from the 'correct' background they are hindered in their ambition...whereas the Indians and pakistanis encourage all children to follow a medical career and naturally more become doctor's as a result...
[quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!![/p][/quote]Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.[/p][/quote]I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??[/p][/quote]I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.[/p][/quote]Racist, no. I'm a realist. Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles. Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies. We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working. Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman. Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home. And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time.... So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship! Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind![/p][/quote]There are not enough doctors to support the BHS because it is still elitist, there are so many students who could progress to becoming a GP, Consultant, Surgeon, but if the person is not from the 'correct' background they are hindered in their ambition...whereas the Indians and pakistanis encourage all children to follow a medical career and naturally more become doctor's as a result... Comment777
  • Score: -3

2:08pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Do Councils take any responsibility for putting people in bigger houses than they needed take any responsibility and also the various governments not building one and two bedroom social housing over the years. Their crimes but ordinary people paying the penalty.
Councils do not own any Social Housing!!!!

So how is it their fault?

It was Margaret Thatcher's Government that forced councils to stop building and sell them to their tenants and, also, since then the formation of Housing Associations which now build the needed Social Housing - so again how is this the problem of Bolton Council?

Once, again, Thomas please read on the subject before posting!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Do Councils take any responsibility for putting people in bigger houses than they needed take any responsibility and also the various governments not building one and two bedroom social housing over the years. Their crimes but ordinary people paying the penalty.[/p][/quote]Councils do not own any Social Housing!!!! So how is it their fault? It was Margaret Thatcher's Government that forced councils to stop building and sell them to their tenants and, also, since then the formation of Housing Associations which now build the needed Social Housing - so again how is this the problem of Bolton Council? Once, again, Thomas please read on the subject before posting! BWFC71
  • Score: 6

3:53pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.
I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??
I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.
Racist, no. I'm a realist. Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles. Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies. We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working. Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman. Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home. And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time.... So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship! Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind!
Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, William Roache, Dave Lee Travis, a glut of catholic priests, Cyril Smith, a few school teachers from Bolton - the list of well respected (well apart from the catholic priests) white men charged with sex offences against children is virtually endless.

So, you're a racist.
[quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!![/p][/quote]Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.[/p][/quote]I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??[/p][/quote]I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.[/p][/quote]Racist, no. I'm a realist. Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles. Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies. We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working. Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman. Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home. And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time.... So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship! Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind![/p][/quote]Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, William Roache, Dave Lee Travis, a glut of catholic priests, Cyril Smith, a few school teachers from Bolton - the list of well respected (well apart from the catholic priests) white men charged with sex offences against children is virtually endless. So, you're a racist. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -2

4:06pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five.

Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
[quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -1

5:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

tinypet says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five.

Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders? tinypet
  • Score: 2

8:13pm Wed 15 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

Bowden Boy wrote:
I own my house and pay council tax through banding. I have three bedrooms and because my children have grown up and left home, we now only use one. My wife and I who don't want to down size, have to pay for the unused bedrooms, so social housing renters should also pay.
You clearly can't grasp this ideas can you. You are a moron .......
[quote][p][bold]Bowden Boy[/bold] wrote: I own my house and pay council tax through banding. I have three bedrooms and because my children have grown up and left home, we now only use one. My wife and I who don't want to down size, have to pay for the unused bedrooms, so social housing renters should also pay.[/p][/quote]You clearly can't grasp this ideas can you. You are a moron ....... getajob123
  • Score: 1

8:15pm Wed 15 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
That would be "piety" I think.
tosser i says.
Say not says...... It's becoming clear why you are unemployable and living in filth like a tramp
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!![/p][/quote]That would be "piety" I think.[/p][/quote]tosser i says.[/p][/quote]Say not says...... It's becoming clear why you are unemployable and living in filth like a tramp getajob123
  • Score: -2

8:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

tinypet wrote:
what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence
[quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence getajob123
  • Score: -4

8:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

Comment777 wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!!
Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments.
"Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from??
The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.
I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155!
99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either.
And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed.
And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!!
And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??
I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.
Racist, no. I'm a realist.
Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles.
Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies.
We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working.
Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman.
Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home.
And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time....
So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship!
Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind!
There are not enough doctors to support the BHS because it is still elitist, there are so many students who could progress to becoming a GP, Consultant, Surgeon, but if the person is not from the 'correct' background they are hindered in their ambition...whereas the Indians and pakistanis encourage all children to follow a medical career and naturally more become doctor's as a result...
Yes either that or it's easier to get the qualification in India

You moron
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!![/p][/quote]Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.[/p][/quote]I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??[/p][/quote]I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.[/p][/quote]Racist, no. I'm a realist. Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles. Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies. We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working. Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman. Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home. And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time.... So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship! Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind![/p][/quote]There are not enough doctors to support the BHS because it is still elitist, there are so many students who could progress to becoming a GP, Consultant, Surgeon, but if the person is not from the 'correct' background they are hindered in their ambition...whereas the Indians and pakistanis encourage all children to follow a medical career and naturally more become doctor's as a result...[/p][/quote]Yes either that or it's easier to get the qualification in India You moron getajob123
  • Score: -1

9:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

owencoyle99 says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
Gill bolton wrote:
They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.
It's odd how someone with such poor literacy and poor social skills thinks this way isn't? Quite remarkable.
Guess this guy has got a load of GCSE & A levels

pity he did not take some kind of training or get up off his back side to try & earn a living
what would Labour do - nothing as we are deep in debt but some of these people think Labour will support them & get more money - dream on
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill bolton[/bold] wrote: They all greedy fat big mouth idiots who hasn't got a clue about real people, and Duncan smith is the biggest tosser going.[/p][/quote]It's odd how someone with such poor literacy and poor social skills thinks this way isn't? Quite remarkable.[/p][/quote]Guess this guy has got a load of GCSE & A levels pity he did not take some kind of training or get up off his back side to try & earn a living what would Labour do - nothing as we are deep in debt but some of these people think Labour will support them & get more money - dream on owencoyle99
  • Score: 2

9:11pm Wed 15 Jan 14

owencoyle99 says...

AndyMorton wrote:
George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote:
Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
Who u callin a tosser u bellend i have a job. I have been on my arse pulled myself together and i been to college and got qualifications so thats just **** on your bonfire. Politicians are to blame end of they only see stuff from there point of view not ours so u go pipe down and be a doctor if thats what u want or a dentist end of
Well said - if only there was a few more who had the common sense to try to better them self
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!![/p][/quote]Who u callin a tosser u bellend i have a job. I have been on my arse pulled myself together and i been to college and got qualifications so thats just **** on your bonfire. Politicians are to blame end of they only see stuff from there point of view not ours so u go pipe down and be a doctor if thats what u want or a dentist end of[/p][/quote]Well said - if only there was a few more who had the common sense to try to better them self owencoyle99
  • Score: 0

10:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

tinypet says...

getajob123 wrote:
tinypet wrote:
what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence
bigger to sser then domdick
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence[/p][/quote]bigger to sser then domdick tinypet
  • Score: 1

7:46am Thu 16 Jan 14

George X says...

getajob123 wrote:
George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
AndyMorton wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !!
There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?
I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!!
That would be "piety" I think.
tosser i says.
Say not says...... It's becoming clear why you are unemployable and living in filth like a tramp
Haha , whatever !!!
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Dont mean sound horrible but if they keep letting foreigners in we wouldnt have a problem with anything. I mean its hard to find a house to live in these days and there is no jobs so how can we find more hours the tit some people talk out of there arse think they improve things but look at reality when people go in debt then get kicked out and go homeless they end up suicide. He is clueless that duncan and all i have read is his mouth this week he needs shut up !![/p][/quote]There are loads of houses and loads of jobs for those who bothered earlier in life. There are large skills shortages in construction for example. I don't know about you but I don't want to drive a cab into the wee small hours, I don't want to work in a takeaway, or pick fruit, I don't want to clean, in fact I don't want to do any menial job - do you? That said, I didn't go to medical school so I doubt I'd be any good as a doctor or dentist. Are you a doctor or dentist Andrew? Did you take the trouble to get those quals so we don't have to rely on imported professionals? Probably not. There are certainly issues with immigration, but the blame doesn't entirely sit on the doorstep of politicians does it? Had you or I took the trouble to be a doctor or if we wanted to serve kebabs to drink-sodden revellers, we wouldn't need to import people would we?[/p][/quote]I would love to see you fall on your ar$e at some point, trust me it can happen very easily and from the most unsuspected turn of events and even to arrogant self righteous tossers such as yourself, you would do well to bear that in mind the next time you feel a touch of pioty coming on !!![/p][/quote]That would be "piety" I think.[/p][/quote]tosser i says.[/p][/quote]Say not says...... It's becoming clear why you are unemployable and living in filth like a tramp[/p][/quote]Haha , whatever !!! George X
  • Score: 0

7:56am Thu 16 Jan 14

Jackael says...

getajob123 wrote:
tinypet wrote:
what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence
Could be worse though they could be Muslim and have a lifetime of
brainwashing in front of them, not to mention the coming hardship of deportation back to Asia.
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence[/p][/quote]Could be worse though they could be Muslim and have a lifetime of brainwashing in front of them, not to mention the coming hardship of deportation back to Asia. Jackael
  • Score: 1

11:35am Thu 16 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered.

I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
[quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house? Don Kiddick
  • Score: 1

11:37am Thu 16 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

Jackael wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence
Could be worse though they could be Muslim and have a lifetime of brainwashing in front of them, not to mention the coming hardship of deportation back to Asia.
. . . and christians aren't brainwashed?
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence[/p][/quote]Could be worse though they could be Muslim and have a lifetime of brainwashing in front of them, not to mention the coming hardship of deportation back to Asia.[/p][/quote]. . . and christians aren't brainwashed? Don Kiddick
  • Score: -4

11:45am Thu 16 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

tinypet wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence
bigger to sser then domdick
It's a source of amusement to me when proles who could barely cope with the simplistic national curriculum suddenly become masters of the British economical and political system. It's quite remarkable.

It's the same with religion, someone who struggled with simple arithmetic and basic language skills are adamant that they understand the whole universe and the process of its creation. Then again, thats why religion exists isn't it - as a pacifier for the stupid.
[quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence[/p][/quote]bigger to sser then domdick[/p][/quote]It's a source of amusement to me when proles who could barely cope with the simplistic national curriculum suddenly become masters of the British economical and political system. It's quite remarkable. It's the same with religion, someone who struggled with simple arithmetic and basic language skills are adamant that they understand the whole universe and the process of its creation. Then again, thats why religion exists isn't it - as a pacifier for the stupid. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -3

11:50am Thu 16 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

getajob123 wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence
Probably harsher than even I'd put it - but the sentiment is about right.

Perhaps an appearance on Jeremy Kyle is the new goal in life.
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence[/p][/quote]Probably harsher than even I'd put it - but the sentiment is about right. Perhaps an appearance on Jeremy Kyle is the new goal in life. Don Kiddick
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

tinypet says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered.

I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with tinypet
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Thu 16 Jan 14

tinypet says...

tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered.

I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
And when redundancy did hit them they didn't claim a penny
[quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with[/p][/quote]And when redundancy did hit them they didn't claim a penny tinypet
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way?

£85k for a 3 bed house !!!!!

Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!!

Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?
[quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with[/p][/quote]£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here? Don Kiddick
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Thu 16 Jan 14

George X says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
Jackael wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence
Could be worse though they could be Muslim and have a lifetime of brainwashing in front of them, not to mention the coming hardship of deportation back to Asia.
. . . and christians aren't brainwashed?
Of course, all religion should be banned, we have religion to keep the serfs in order and anybody who cant see that in this day and age is quite frankly deluded, probaly brainwashed especially muslims, who take it to another level altogether !!
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence[/p][/quote]Could be worse though they could be Muslim and have a lifetime of brainwashing in front of them, not to mention the coming hardship of deportation back to Asia.[/p][/quote]. . . and christians aren't brainwashed?[/p][/quote]Of course, all religion should be banned, we have religion to keep the serfs in order and anybody who cant see that in this day and age is quite frankly deluded, probaly brainwashed especially muslims, who take it to another level altogether !! George X
  • Score: 2

9:42pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Just Thought says...

I have read all the comments that have been posted on this subject and a lot make some great points from both sides.

Unfortunately though it still seems that most still believe that they are owed something when they give nothing and that folks is THE problem right there.
I have read all the comments that have been posted on this subject and a lot make some great points from both sides. Unfortunately though it still seems that most still believe that they are owed something when they give nothing and that folks is THE problem right there. Just Thought
  • Score: 3

10:18pm Thu 16 Jan 14

gracie field says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way?

£85k for a 3 bed house !!!!!

Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!!

Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?
Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!!

Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down.

Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up.

Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights.

They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up.

When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes!

Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy.

Ignorant Fools.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with[/p][/quote]£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?[/p][/quote]Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools. gracie field
  • Score: 1

12:34am Fri 17 Jan 14

tinypet says...

gracie field wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way?

£85k for a 3 bed house !!!!!

Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!!

Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?
Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!!

Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down.

Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up.

Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights.

They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up.

When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes!

Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy.

Ignorant Fools.
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.

the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with[/p][/quote]£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?[/p][/quote]Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.[/p][/quote]tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has, tinypet
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12:41am Fri 17 Jan 14

tinypet says...

obsession about being a doctor? domdick's a doctor? i hope not at rbh im an odp
obsession about being a doctor? domdick's a doctor? i hope not at rbh im an odp tinypet
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7:58am Fri 17 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

tinypet wrote:
gracie field wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?
Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,
Well there's a lot to go at there isn't there!

You don't think you're better than everyone else - well apart from takeaway workers which you clearly called "LOWLY" "CURRY SHOP SLAVES". I cannot believe in this day and age, someone would use such derogatory and racist language. I'm astounded, truly so.

The "doctor" comment relates to immigration and has nothing to do with scrounging families, so I'm at a loss in understanding why that was mentioned in your very illuminating tirade but hey ho.

"Curry Shop Slave" - I never thought I'd see something like that printed in a UK newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with[/p][/quote]£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?[/p][/quote]Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.[/p][/quote]tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,[/p][/quote]Well there's a lot to go at there isn't there! You don't think you're better than everyone else - well apart from takeaway workers which you clearly called "LOWLY" "CURRY SHOP SLAVES". I cannot believe in this day and age, someone would use such derogatory and racist language. I'm astounded, truly so. The "doctor" comment relates to immigration and has nothing to do with scrounging families, so I'm at a loss in understanding why that was mentioned in your very illuminating tirade but hey ho. "Curry Shop Slave" - I never thought I'd see something like that printed in a UK newspaper. Don Kiddick
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10:03am Fri 17 Jan 14

tinypet says...

lmao
lmao tinypet
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5:27pm Fri 17 Jan 14

George X says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
gracie field wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?
Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,
Well there's a lot to go at there isn't there!

You don't think you're better than everyone else - well apart from takeaway workers which you clearly called "LOWLY" "CURRY SHOP SLAVES". I cannot believe in this day and age, someone would use such derogatory and racist language. I'm astounded, truly so.

The "doctor" comment relates to immigration and has nothing to do with scrounging families, so I'm at a loss in understanding why that was mentioned in your very illuminating tirade but hey ho.

"Curry Shop Slave" - I never thought I'd see something like that printed in a UK newspaper.
So you think "curry shop slave" is worse than "benefit scrounger" or "council estate scum" in fact i would say that curry shop slave is a fair representation of some of the immigrant workers in these places, and the comment you made about it being printed in the newspaper baffles me, you see worse in the tabloids every day !!
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with[/p][/quote]£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?[/p][/quote]Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.[/p][/quote]tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,[/p][/quote]Well there's a lot to go at there isn't there! You don't think you're better than everyone else - well apart from takeaway workers which you clearly called "LOWLY" "CURRY SHOP SLAVES". I cannot believe in this day and age, someone would use such derogatory and racist language. I'm astounded, truly so. The "doctor" comment relates to immigration and has nothing to do with scrounging families, so I'm at a loss in understanding why that was mentioned in your very illuminating tirade but hey ho. "Curry Shop Slave" - I never thought I'd see something like that printed in a UK newspaper.[/p][/quote]So you think "curry shop slave" is worse than "benefit scrounger" or "council estate scum" in fact i would say that curry shop slave is a fair representation of some of the immigrant workers in these places, and the comment you made about it being printed in the newspaper baffles me, you see worse in the tabloids every day !! George X
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7:50pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Don Kiddick says...

George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
gracie field wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?
Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,
Well there's a lot to go at there isn't there!

You don't think you're better than everyone else - well apart from takeaway workers which you clearly called "LOWLY" "CURRY SHOP SLAVES". I cannot believe in this day and age, someone would use such derogatory and racist language. I'm astounded, truly so.

The "doctor" comment relates to immigration and has nothing to do with scrounging families, so I'm at a loss in understanding why that was mentioned in your very illuminating tirade but hey ho.

"Curry Shop Slave" - I never thought I'd see something like that printed in a UK newspaper.
So you think "curry shop slave" is worse than "benefit scrounger" or "council estate scum" in fact i would say that curry shop slave is a fair representation of some of the immigrant workers in these places, and the comment you made about it being printed in the newspaper baffles me, you see worse in the tabloids every day !!
Sorry, despite your waffling - the whiff of racism and arrogance is still hanging in the air right above your keyboard. You told the world exactly what you think of ehnic takeaway workers and their employers . . . "Curry Shop Slave". Your words, no-one elses.
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with[/p][/quote]£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?[/p][/quote]Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.[/p][/quote]tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,[/p][/quote]Well there's a lot to go at there isn't there! You don't think you're better than everyone else - well apart from takeaway workers which you clearly called "LOWLY" "CURRY SHOP SLAVES". I cannot believe in this day and age, someone would use such derogatory and racist language. I'm astounded, truly so. The "doctor" comment relates to immigration and has nothing to do with scrounging families, so I'm at a loss in understanding why that was mentioned in your very illuminating tirade but hey ho. "Curry Shop Slave" - I never thought I'd see something like that printed in a UK newspaper.[/p][/quote]So you think "curry shop slave" is worse than "benefit scrounger" or "council estate scum" in fact i would say that curry shop slave is a fair representation of some of the immigrant workers in these places, and the comment you made about it being printed in the newspaper baffles me, you see worse in the tabloids every day !![/p][/quote]Sorry, despite your waffling - the whiff of racism and arrogance is still hanging in the air right above your keyboard. You told the world exactly what you think of ehnic takeaway workers and their employers . . . "Curry Shop Slave". Your words, no-one elses. Don Kiddick
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8:54pm Fri 17 Jan 14

pecky2k says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
pecky2k wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!!
Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.
I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??
I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.
Racist, no. I'm a realist. Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles. Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies. We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working. Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman. Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home. And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time.... So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship! Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind!
Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, William Roache, Dave Lee Travis, a glut of catholic priests, Cyril Smith, a few school teachers from Bolton - the list of well respected (well apart from the catholic priests) white men charged with sex offences against children is virtually endless.

So, you're a racist.
Get off your racist wagon, you're a berk of the highest degree, paedos are scum no matter what race, sex or religion. I was pointing out that there are too many taxi drivers that are paedos, thieves, scum, illegal, sex pests and rapists. Hope your ideology of a perfect world to bring in these migrant workers to cover the work we won't, basically making slaves of them works for you because I'll tell you now it won't be long before this country grinds to a halt because of their religious beliefs....have your say but from now on I will ignore your comments as you talk garbage for the sake of an argument!!
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pecky2k[/bold] wrote: Stop immigration, we are an island so stopping unwelcome people shouldn't be too difficult...more housing, simple!! Oh hang on, that should solve two problems, more houses and less welfare payments. "Taxing" current tenants extra for spare bedrooms won't help, you will put people already on the breadline into further debt, furthermore by forcing people to move from established communities where they have spent many years together will damage an already fragile social society.....finally where are all these one or two bed properties going to spring up from?? The government look after their own and back each other up, nobody looks out for the little man anymore!![/p][/quote]Stop immigration? Who's going to drive the cabs at 2.00am in the morning? You? Your kids? Do you want your family driving taxis at 2.00am on a Sunday morning? I certainly don't want mine doing that! Are you a doctor? Probably not, so I cannot rely on you to look after my family! If you can't be bothered, who's going to fill that space? If the UK doesn't want immigration, the UK should be self-sufficient and it simply isn't. No use blaming the politicians for your own failures.[/p][/quote]I am a failure, I failed to vote to stop politicians taking the p155! 99% of the "illegal" immigrants are not doctors either. And if we didn't have these Asian taxi drivers(who overcharge, rape, sexually assault, steal and attack their customers) then there might be better employment chances for those who are currently unemployed. And why bring doctors into the country, because the NHS is struggling. Why??? Because of mass immigration is straining our resources!! And how many illegals in takeaway jobs that probably don't pay tax or national insurance are allowed to be treated for free??[/p][/quote]I doubt anyone working in a takeaway , whatever race, earns enough to pay Tax or NI, if they do - it won't be a great deal anyway. Mass immigration is a recent thing and I agree with you that it has put a strain on all services, but the shortage in qualified professionals goes back many years before the influx. If you're not a doctor (and it could be any of the lettered professions), then why not? Because you are not a doctor - we need to import one. The UK can't grow bananas, but we like them so we have to import them. The pop at taxi drivers is purely racist, all races carry out such crimes. There was a clear failure over inadequately policed borders; no-one can argue with that but the government has closed the door on employing illegals. It's simply too risky to employ them so they are not taking jobs. The problem is that UK "workers" over-estimate their worth, they expect too much and tbey don't want to do the menial jobs.[/p][/quote]Racist, no. I'm a realist. Feel free to search what the taxi drivers are doing, paedophiles, rapists, overcharging, poorly maintained vehicles. Why can't we train our own doctors? We can but it will take years and the mass influx has forced our hand into letting people in to fill these vacancies. We are only short of certain professions due to the strain, yet in my trade I cannot find decent work as some people are willing to work for pence. Took me 4 years and a considerable sum to attain my qualifications at college while still working. Oh wait, now you will pull the card for me being an overcharging tradesman. Not so, it's just that migrant workers are living here in relative squalor which may be acceptable in their home country and sending money back home that would allow their families to live like kings back home. And their skills, from my personal experiences with several of them, are poor. One guy about 30 years old claimed to be a qualified plasterer, joiner, plumber and electrician. Most of the jobs he had worked on were given to us for snagging, a cooker was connected to a lighting circuit. Luckily there were no casualties that time.... So maybe you are right, we need the immigrants to care for us after we are injured by other immigrants poor workmanship! Let them in, house them, care for them, fund them.......but I guarantee if we needed them to fight for their adoptive country they would be gone like a **** in the wind![/p][/quote]Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, William Roache, Dave Lee Travis, a glut of catholic priests, Cyril Smith, a few school teachers from Bolton - the list of well respected (well apart from the catholic priests) white men charged with sex offences against children is virtually endless. So, you're a racist.[/p][/quote]Get off your racist wagon, you're a berk of the highest degree, paedos are scum no matter what race, sex or religion. I was pointing out that there are too many taxi drivers that are paedos, thieves, scum, illegal, sex pests and rapists. Hope your ideology of a perfect world to bring in these migrant workers to cover the work we won't, basically making slaves of them works for you because I'll tell you now it won't be long before this country grinds to a halt because of their religious beliefs....have your say but from now on I will ignore your comments as you talk garbage for the sake of an argument!! pecky2k
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10:28am Sat 18 Jan 14

tinypet says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
George X wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
gracie field wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.
no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money
Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.
so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?
Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?
Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with
£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?
Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.
tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,
Well there's a lot to go at there isn't there!

You don't think you're better than everyone else - well apart from takeaway workers which you clearly called "LOWLY" "CURRY SHOP SLAVES". I cannot believe in this day and age, someone would use such derogatory and racist language. I'm astounded, truly so.

The "doctor" comment relates to immigration and has nothing to do with scrounging families, so I'm at a loss in understanding why that was mentioned in your very illuminating tirade but hey ho.

"Curry Shop Slave" - I never thought I'd see something like that printed in a UK newspaper.
So you think "curry shop slave" is worse than "benefit scrounger" or "council estate scum" in fact i would say that curry shop slave is a fair representation of some of the immigrant workers in these places, and the comment you made about it being printed in the newspaper baffles me, you see worse in the tabloids every day !!
Sorry, despite your waffling - the whiff of racism and arrogance is still hanging in the air right above your keyboard. You told the world exactly what you think of ehnic takeaway workers and their employers . . . "Curry Shop Slave". Your words, no-one elses.
Actually domdick you'll find the term curry slave came from GRACIE FIELDS not georgex :0/
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]No money yet bringing 5 kids into the world for us, decent, hard-working, loaded tax-payers to subsidise???? Benefits should be for first child only, after that you're on your own. If you're working then private renting only instead of hogging a council property. Benefits / council help should be a temporary measure to help people, even George X, out of a tight spot; they are not a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]no money benefits, where are you coming from??? i said they both work full time actually support there 5 kids. do not get a penny in benefits, i was making a point,that whilst the goverment do bedroom tax for empty rooms what about if an extra room was needed. oh i stand corrected child benefit is the only beneifit they get like everybody else who has a child. They looked into buying it, lets just say it wasnt worth the money[/p][/quote]Nope, not everybody - I tried to decline child support but was unable to, so instead I set up a direct debit for the amount to go straight to a childrens charity. Child support should be a benefit for the first one or two children not five. Your point doesn't stack up, if they're as well off as you claim - why are they scrounging a council house? They should be kicked out into the real world so someone who needs the house can use it.[/p][/quote]so you s lag off people that do claim and slag of the hard working class. So if they did go say private rented as you put it, what would you recommend move in our over sea's free loaders?[/p][/quote]Well, I think I asked the first question - which you have not yet answered. I'll ask it again - why are this family scrounging a council house?[/p][/quote]Scrounging a council house. mmmm well bolton council do right to buy, for a family on benefits they wouldnt be able to buy one therefore a working class family such as this one can, Paying £90 a week on rent isnt scrounging, Its paying your way. would you pay 85k to buy one coz i wouldnt! which they intended to do, As for the children being losers, they are well dressed in a loving and stable enviroment everything provided for them from hard earned cash thats left after the taxman has had his cut. The eldest goes to uni this year and good on him! You really need to take your silver spoon out of your mouth, looking down your nose at people. oh and i forgot to mention redundancy which did impact on this family, so yeah good job they scrounged the council house as you put it coz they would have lost there home if they had bought it. Maybe on should take up golf or something,the amount of comments you post on here and having the time to read every single on, you really do need to get a life, love to sit on my a rse and chat but one has a 12 hr shift to crack on with[/p][/quote]£90 a week for a 3 bed house - that's paying your way? £85k for a 3 bed house !!!!! Would have lost their home if they hadn't scrounged a council house !!!! Just remind me again, who's got the silver spoon here?[/p][/quote]Tax payers don't fund housing association (ex council btw) properties anymore as they were paid for many years back so now anyone who has them pays the going rent in that area which makes profit for the housing associations - they are not subsidised housing anymore you uneducated buffoon. There is nothing scrounging about renting your home regardless who you rent from. No one subsidises them at all anymore got that? Now try keep up at the back there!! Some people on here seem to think they themselves are educated and above certain other people but let me tell you what I think, I reckon you are probably surviving on less than minimum wage as a part time curry shop slave pretending you are an affluent professional type but your grammar and grasp of our English language and our government workings are pathetic and show you for what you really are - a lowly unintelligent troll who feels good about themselves by pulling others down. Also the obsession about being a doctor is quite worrying and seeing as two of the above "so called hard-workers" write in very much the same way and answer for each other it seems to me that there is a resident troll with 2 separate accounts on here to back each other up. Also before anyone comments on bedroom tax issues it would help a little if you were in the slightest bit educated about this piece of legalisation. Many times it is disabled people or parents with severely disabled children who can't share with siblings that are suffering the brunt of this evil legislation and heil smith is nothing but a hater of disabled people and is on a mission to strip truly disabled of any support what so ever and British workers of any rights including human rights. They use the scrounger label to get all the idiots who are a few shillings short to support their evil cuts to all of our wages whilst putting up our taxes -whilst protecting their own of course and their off shore accounts! You workers are being used but not by who you think -benefit fraud is actually something like 0.3% - but by the members of the elite boys club. You are funding big businesses owners by paying to top up their meagre wages in the form of working tax credits whilst they reap large profits. In other words YOU are topping workers wages up and that is what is costing YOU money not the 0.3% of benefit fraud. Why dont you turn your venom on big business owners? After all they pay low wages that need topping up. When I pay my tax I WANT some to go towards supporting the vulnerable and disabled people but that is because I don't put myself above others and know it could easily be me or one of my family sat in that wheelchair or attached to the kidney dialyses machines. You pathetic "I'm all right jack types" aren't fit to wipe the disabled peoples @rses with your holier than thou pious attitudes! Shame on you all because you are nothing but gullible right wing useful idiots who are voting tory to lose your own protection and human rights hidden in the ploy of targeting the lazy scrounging work-shy. Ignorant Fools.[/p][/quote]tinypet wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over. the above was my original comment,relating to the article! that was then slated by domdick. who branded a family i know as scroungers, And slated them, As for knowing each other i havent a clue who he/she is and i doubt he/she has the balls to say to ones face the arrogant comments he/she has,[/p][/quote]Well there's a lot to go at there isn't there! You don't think you're better than everyone else - well apart from takeaway workers which you clearly called "LOWLY" "CURRY SHOP SLAVES". I cannot believe in this day and age, someone would use such derogatory and racist language. I'm astounded, truly so. The "doctor" comment relates to immigration and has nothing to do with scrounging families, so I'm at a loss in understanding why that was mentioned in your very illuminating tirade but hey ho. "Curry Shop Slave" - I never thought I'd see something like that printed in a UK newspaper.[/p][/quote]So you think "curry shop slave" is worse than "benefit scrounger" or "council estate scum" in fact i would say that curry shop slave is a fair representation of some of the immigrant workers in these places, and the comment you made about it being printed in the newspaper baffles me, you see worse in the tabloids every day !![/p][/quote]Sorry, despite your waffling - the whiff of racism and arrogance is still hanging in the air right above your keyboard. You told the world exactly what you think of ehnic takeaway workers and their employers . . . "Curry Shop Slave". Your words, no-one elses.[/p][/quote]Actually domdick you'll find the term curry slave came from GRACIE FIELDS not georgex :0/ tinypet
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2:51pm Sat 18 Jan 14

PGS4038 says...

if it was as easy to downsize accommodation as it is to reduce benefits, then it could be argued that the bedroom tax was in some way fair.
if it was as easy to downsize accommodation as it is to reduce benefits, then it could be argued that the bedroom tax was in some way fair. PGS4038
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10:35pm Sun 19 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Jackael wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
tinypet wrote:
what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.
5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence
Could be worse though they could be Muslim and have a lifetime of
brainwashing in front of them, not to mention the coming hardship of deportation back to Asia.
Since when did Asia become a country?

Last time I looked up Asia there was more than 1 religion!!!

Asia is the world's largest and most populous continent, with millions of different peoples following a wide variety of different religions. Asia was the birthplace of most of the world's mainstream religions including Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism, Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, Lingayatism, Jainism, Sikhism, Taoism, Zoroastranism, Sanamahism as well as many other beliefs.

Yes Christianity originates from the continent of Asia - so does that mean we all should go back to the continent of Asia?
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinypet[/bold] wrote: what happened to a two way thing, i know someone who lives in rented (council) accomidation, pays full rent full council tax because they both work fulltime, They are in a 3 bed with 5 children, so how come they dont get a reduction for the extra room they dont have? its a load of crap. Time these toffs got voted out, bring on the next election. i saw on the news the mp has a lot of work to do to win voters over. hahaha its laughable no-one gonna forget how much that d ick has f u cked the vunerable over.[/p][/quote]5 more loser kids that live like tramps and breed when they are older......... Some peoples lives are pathetic and we should not have to pay for their Jeremy Kyle existence[/p][/quote]Could be worse though they could be Muslim and have a lifetime of brainwashing in front of them, not to mention the coming hardship of deportation back to Asia.[/p][/quote]Since when did Asia become a country? Last time I looked up Asia there was more than 1 religion!!! Asia is the world's largest and most populous continent, with millions of different peoples following a wide variety of different religions. Asia was the birthplace of most of the world's mainstream religions including Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism, Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, Lingayatism, Jainism, Sikhism, Taoism, Zoroastranism, Sanamahism as well as many other beliefs. Yes Christianity originates from the continent of Asia - so does that mean we all should go back to the continent of Asia? BWFC71
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12:35am Mon 20 Jan 14

hoboh2o says...

pstuart wrote:
Its pretty obvious in some of the posts that they not only read the Bolton News but the Daily Mail as well. The 'workshy' are an absolute minority, Benefit fraud is only 0.7% (DWP figures). This nothing but social engineering, putting the serfs back into their place.
0.7% is what they have caught and seeing the manpower does not exist to hunt them down, (most cases being people either get greedy or stupidly give theirselves away) that figure is hardly suprising.
[quote][p][bold]pstuart[/bold] wrote: Its pretty obvious in some of the posts that they not only read the Bolton News but the Daily Mail as well. The 'workshy' are an absolute minority, Benefit fraud is only 0.7% (DWP figures). This nothing but social engineering, putting the serfs back into their place.[/p][/quote]0.7% is what they have caught and seeing the manpower does not exist to hunt them down, (most cases being people either get greedy or stupidly give theirselves away) that figure is hardly suprising. hoboh2o
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