£600 million Northern Hub could ease Bolton's 'cattle truck' trains

The Bolton News: A familiar busy scene at Bolton station A familiar busy scene at Bolton station

THE £600 million Northern Hub project could help ease Bolton’s “cattle truck” trains, it is hoped.

Chancellor George Osborne MP marked the start of construction of a fourth platform at Manchester Airport station — the first phase of a series of improvements at stations across the north of England.

Included in the work is the addition of two new platforms at Manchester Victoria, which will enable more trains travelling through the city, to Bolton and beyond.

Along with Network Rail’s electrification programme — expected to be completed along the Bolton corridor by December 2016 — it means more than £1 billion will be invested in railways in the north of England by 2019.

Mr Osborne said the Northern Hub was a key infrastructure project, which will create billions for the region.

He added: “Each part of this project, like the first work at Manchester Airport station, will help us build the infrastructure we need to compete in the global race.

“This investment will ensure growth is not concentrated in any one place by keeping Britain connected and creating thousands of local jobs, delivering a brighter economic future for the whole country.”

Since December The Bolton News has been campaigning for better services on the town’s railway, and to bring back axed rush-hour services.

The Northern Hub — expected to be completed in 2019 — will enable 700 more trains to run each day across the north of England, providing space for an extra 44 million passengers a year.

Cllr David Chadwick, the executive member for transport for Bolton Council and a committee member for Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM), welcomed the start of the project.

He said: “It’s going to be fantastic news because clearly passenger numbers are going up year on year.

“It’s not just Bolton that will benefit — the trains will run up north and along with the electrification programme it will allow trains to run at faster speeds along the Bolton corridor.”

Construction of the fourth platform at Manchester Airport will take place between March 14 and April 7, 2014, and will include two weekend closures of the railway at Manchester Airport on March 14 and 15 and April 5 and 6.

First TransPennine Express, Northern Rail and Arriva Train Wales services into and out of Manchester Airport station will be affected and replaced by bus services over the two weekend closures.

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4:39pm Mon 10 Feb 14

thealexweb says...

For those interested in the shorter term implications see a sneak preview at the May timetable revision here.

http://www.opentrain
times.com/location/B
ON/2014-05-12/0000-2
359

Also will Manchester Victoria get two new platforms? There's no mention about that here (see link). I thought Piccadilly was gaining two and Oxford Road was losing one. There's also a chance of Salford Central getting up to three new platforms if funding can be secured.

http://www.networkra
il.co.uk/Manchester_
Victoria_station_red
evelopment.aspx
For those interested in the shorter term implications see a sneak preview at the May timetable revision here. http://www.opentrain times.com/location/B ON/2014-05-12/0000-2 359 Also will Manchester Victoria get two new platforms? There's no mention about that here (see link). I thought Piccadilly was gaining two and Oxford Road was losing one. There's also a chance of Salford Central getting up to three new platforms if funding can be secured. http://www.networkra il.co.uk/Manchester_ Victoria_station_red evelopment.aspx thealexweb
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4:41pm Mon 10 Feb 14

thealexweb says...

thealexweb wrote:
For those interested in the shorter term implications see a sneak preview at the May timetable revision here.

http://www.opentrain

times.com/location/B

ON/2014-05-12/0000-2

359

Also will Manchester Victoria get two new platforms? There's no mention about that here (see link). I thought Piccadilly was gaining two and Oxford Road was losing one. There's also a chance of Salford Central getting up to three new platforms if funding can be secured.

http://www.networkra

il.co.uk/Manchester_

Victoria_station_red

evelopment.aspx
My mistake, the link I posted above is still the old / current timetable. Below is the correct link. Note changes link one inbound services from Crewe per day and two direct services to Kirkby a day instead of one.

http://www.opentrain
times.com/location/B
ON/2014-05-22/0000-2
359
[quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: For those interested in the shorter term implications see a sneak preview at the May timetable revision here. http://www.opentrain times.com/location/B ON/2014-05-12/0000-2 359 Also will Manchester Victoria get two new platforms? There's no mention about that here (see link). I thought Piccadilly was gaining two and Oxford Road was losing one. There's also a chance of Salford Central getting up to three new platforms if funding can be secured. http://www.networkra il.co.uk/Manchester_ Victoria_station_red evelopment.aspx[/p][/quote]My mistake, the link I posted above is still the old / current timetable. Below is the correct link. Note changes link one inbound services from Crewe per day and two direct services to Kirkby a day instead of one. http://www.opentrain times.com/location/B ON/2014-05-22/0000-2 359 thealexweb
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5:24pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

What has this to do with trains arriving with 2 carriages?

It matters not how many trains attend the station at Bolton, it is the time that the train arrives with just 2 FECKING CARRIAGES!!!!
What has this to do with trains arriving with 2 carriages? It matters not how many trains attend the station at Bolton, it is the time that the train arrives with just 2 FECKING CARRIAGES!!!! Beyond News Forum
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10:39pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Southfield 62 says...

This money will not solve the real issue of over crowding at Bolton. This money is for infastructure projects across the whole of the North of England. It does not allow its principle operator Northern rail to procure the new trains required. So while London has 25 billion in upgraded/new rail projects including 2.5 billion spend on 1700 new carriages, we up north will continue to be packed into Northern rails 30 year old 2 coach trains.
This money will not solve the real issue of over crowding at Bolton. This money is for infastructure projects across the whole of the North of England. It does not allow its principle operator Northern rail to procure the new trains required. So while London has 25 billion in upgraded/new rail projects including 2.5 billion spend on 1700 new carriages, we up north will continue to be packed into Northern rails 30 year old 2 coach trains. Southfield 62
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11:49pm Mon 10 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

In fact out of 2500 new units that are being built for the UK. Only 40 are for the WHOLE North - for TPE services. Northern are getting NO trains. All other units will be used on London services.

Also any train that gets displaced by an electric trains will NOT be used to relieve Bolton as there is a new line/route opened but has NO trains - Manchester to Burnley! So that line will get any knock-on trains before any other line/route!
In fact out of 2500 new units that are being built for the UK. Only 40 are for the WHOLE North - for TPE services. Northern are getting NO trains. All other units will be used on London services. Also any train that gets displaced by an electric trains will NOT be used to relieve Bolton as there is a new line/route opened but has NO trains - Manchester to Burnley! So that line will get any knock-on trains before any other line/route! BWFC71
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12:07am Tue 11 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

1710 to Southport via Walkden and Wigan (4 x class 15X coaches) - 10% full arriving at Salford Central and 80% full when leaving
1713 to Kirkby via Walkden and Wigan (4 x class 142 coaches - only 2/3 length and capacity of class 15X) - 10% full when arriving at Salford Central and 50% full when leaving
1723 to Blackpool via Bolton (2 x class 142 and 2 x class 15X) 50% full when arriving at Salford Central and over 100% full when leaving
1726 to Clitheroe via Bolton (2 x class 142) 90% full when arriving at Salford Central and over 100% full when leaving

Thus more evidence that Wigan get preferential treatment yet again whilst travellers to/through Bolton continually have to suffer (I have photos of the train tonight and how squashed up we were whilst plenty of space on the Wigan trains)

Yes there is a shortage of trains units but it is compounded by incompetence of the depot and operations managers of Northern Rail - who hide behind the excuse of its the Governments fault for even their on faults!!!
1710 to Southport via Walkden and Wigan (4 x class 15X coaches) - 10% full arriving at Salford Central and 80% full when leaving 1713 to Kirkby via Walkden and Wigan (4 x class 142 coaches - only 2/3 length and capacity of class 15X) - 10% full when arriving at Salford Central and 50% full when leaving 1723 to Blackpool via Bolton (2 x class 142 and 2 x class 15X) 50% full when arriving at Salford Central and over 100% full when leaving 1726 to Clitheroe via Bolton (2 x class 142) 90% full when arriving at Salford Central and over 100% full when leaving Thus more evidence that Wigan get preferential treatment yet again whilst travellers to/through Bolton continually have to suffer (I have photos of the train tonight and how squashed up we were whilst plenty of space on the Wigan trains) Yes there is a shortage of trains units but it is compounded by incompetence of the depot and operations managers of Northern Rail - who hide behind the excuse of its the Governments fault for even their on faults!!! BWFC71
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7:03pm Tue 11 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Stop moaning BWFC71. Like I have said in the past, if you don't like it then you're quite welcome to drive or travel on another form of public transport.
Stop moaning BWFC71. Like I have said in the past, if you don't like it then you're quite welcome to drive or travel on another form of public transport. FreedomOfSpeech1945
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10:21pm Tue 11 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Stop moaning BWFC71. Like I have said in the past, if you don't like it then you're quite welcome to drive or travel on another form of public transport.
Who is moaning - I am only stating fact!!!!

As it is I only have a buss which is hourly and does not even go to Manchester and doesn't run at peak times!

Driving is a nightmare as TfGM have screwed up the main roads especially A580 with the new guided bus-way being built and the way they have placed bus lanes here there and everywhere (for few, if any buses - yes I know there are roads with bus lanes and have NO buses on the way into Manchester)

Whilst people are treated worse than the Jews being transported to gas chambers on the trains!!!!

London receiving over 2400 new trains whilst the WHOLE of the north is receiving only 40!!!! What was the very worlds first passenger railway line in the world - Liverpool to Manchester and that isn't even fully electrified yet!!!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning BWFC71. Like I have said in the past, if you don't like it then you're quite welcome to drive or travel on another form of public transport.[/p][/quote]Who is moaning - I am only stating fact!!!! As it is I only have a buss which is hourly and does not even go to Manchester and doesn't run at peak times! Driving is a nightmare as TfGM have screwed up the main roads especially A580 with the new guided bus-way being built and the way they have placed bus lanes here there and everywhere (for few, if any buses - yes I know there are roads with bus lanes and have NO buses on the way into Manchester) Whilst people are treated worse than the Jews being transported to gas chambers on the trains!!!! London receiving over 2400 new trains whilst the WHOLE of the north is receiving only 40!!!! What was the very worlds first passenger railway line in the world - Liverpool to Manchester and that isn't even fully electrified yet!!! BWFC71
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10:31pm Tue 11 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

I did drive into work last Tuesday...... Money spent on fuel and then parking as well as the normal wear and tear as well as Insurance and Motor Vehicle Excise Duty and then time wasted due to traffic jams and roads now closed because they are bus roads only - for about 6 buses an hour! It all adds up - compared to driving to the station car park (free) and then using a monthly season ticket, between Bolton and Manchester (£92.60) which also includes all destinations in Greater Manchester at the weekend (and that includes Manchester Airport) - plus the time difference is 20-25 minutes by train or 50-1hr15 by car or 1hr10 to 1hr30 by bus!!!
I did drive into work last Tuesday...... Money spent on fuel and then parking as well as the normal wear and tear as well as Insurance and Motor Vehicle Excise Duty and then time wasted due to traffic jams and roads now closed because they are bus roads only - for about 6 buses an hour! It all adds up - compared to driving to the station car park (free) and then using a monthly season ticket, between Bolton and Manchester (£92.60) which also includes all destinations in Greater Manchester at the weekend (and that includes Manchester Airport) - plus the time difference is 20-25 minutes by train or 50-1hr15 by car or 1hr10 to 1hr30 by bus!!! BWFC71
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10:44pm Tue 11 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

thealexweb wrote:
For those interested in the shorter term implications see a sneak preview at the May timetable revision here.

http://www.opentrain

times.com/location/B

ON/2014-05-12/0000-2

359

Also will Manchester Victoria get two new platforms? There's no mention about that here (see link). I thought Piccadilly was gaining two and Oxford Road was losing one. There's also a chance of Salford Central getting up to three new platforms if funding can be secured.

http://www.networkra

il.co.uk/Manchester_

Victoria_station_red

evelopment.aspx
Firstly I checked that weblink and the times of the trains in May compared to now - NOTHING has changed in either morning peak or afternoon peak- which is where the changes do need to take place!

Piccadilly IS gaining Platforms 15 and 16 - they will also be island platform akin to platforms 13 and 14!

Oxford Road is NOT losing any platforms - Platform 1 will temporarily close whilst engineering works takes place, but will re-open.

If one looks at the works taking place at Central, which I use everyday, it would be a pipedream to re-open the platforms but it isn't going to happen as the works are there whilst the new bridge is building built and for the electrification of the lines. Also if one looks at the Northern Hub plans, the turning of tracks for the new bridge (to take trains to Piccadilly from Victoria) actually start curving before the end of the platform and as such wouldn't be able to handle 3 full-length coach diesel unit never mind a 3 ro 4 car electric train. Where would Victoria gain the 2 extra platforms without a major overhaul of the station for the Bolton side. Even on the Rochdale side where there are 2 side terminus platforms there is no where to expand due to the fact that Metrolink is directly next to them - Yes Metrolink are building a new island platform (ie. Metrolink Platform 3 and 4) - possibly that's where you got the idea of 2 new platforms at Victoria - but that is getting done in readiness of the second city centre route which has started to be built.
[quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: For those interested in the shorter term implications see a sneak preview at the May timetable revision here. http://www.opentrain times.com/location/B ON/2014-05-12/0000-2 359 Also will Manchester Victoria get two new platforms? There's no mention about that here (see link). I thought Piccadilly was gaining two and Oxford Road was losing one. There's also a chance of Salford Central getting up to three new platforms if funding can be secured. http://www.networkra il.co.uk/Manchester_ Victoria_station_red evelopment.aspx[/p][/quote]Firstly I checked that weblink and the times of the trains in May compared to now - NOTHING has changed in either morning peak or afternoon peak- which is where the changes do need to take place! Piccadilly IS gaining Platforms 15 and 16 - they will also be island platform akin to platforms 13 and 14! Oxford Road is NOT losing any platforms - Platform 1 will temporarily close whilst engineering works takes place, but will re-open. If one looks at the works taking place at Central, which I use everyday, it would be a pipedream to re-open the platforms but it isn't going to happen as the works are there whilst the new bridge is building built and for the electrification of the lines. Also if one looks at the Northern Hub plans, the turning of tracks for the new bridge (to take trains to Piccadilly from Victoria) actually start curving before the end of the platform and as such wouldn't be able to handle 3 full-length coach diesel unit never mind a 3 ro 4 car electric train. Where would Victoria gain the 2 extra platforms without a major overhaul of the station for the Bolton side. Even on the Rochdale side where there are 2 side terminus platforms there is no where to expand due to the fact that Metrolink is directly next to them - Yes Metrolink are building a new island platform (ie. Metrolink Platform 3 and 4) - possibly that's where you got the idea of 2 new platforms at Victoria - but that is getting done in readiness of the second city centre route which has started to be built. BWFC71
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10:19am Wed 12 Feb 14

thealexweb says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thealexweb wrote:
For those interested in the shorter term implications see a sneak preview at the May timetable revision here.

http://www.opentrain


times.com/location/B


ON/2014-05-12/0000-2


359

Also will Manchester Victoria get two new platforms? There's no mention about that here (see link). I thought Piccadilly was gaining two and Oxford Road was losing one. There's also a chance of Salford Central getting up to three new platforms if funding can be secured.

http://www.networkra


il.co.uk/Manchester_


Victoria_station_red


evelopment.aspx
Firstly I checked that weblink and the times of the trains in May compared to now - NOTHING has changed in either morning peak or afternoon peak- which is where the changes do need to take place!

Piccadilly IS gaining Platforms 15 and 16 - they will also be island platform akin to platforms 13 and 14!

Oxford Road is NOT losing any platforms - Platform 1 will temporarily close whilst engineering works takes place, but will re-open.

If one looks at the works taking place at Central, which I use everyday, it would be a pipedream to re-open the platforms but it isn't going to happen as the works are there whilst the new bridge is building built and for the electrification of the lines. Also if one looks at the Northern Hub plans, the turning of tracks for the new bridge (to take trains to Piccadilly from Victoria) actually start curving before the end of the platform and as such wouldn't be able to handle 3 full-length coach diesel unit never mind a 3 ro 4 car electric train. Where would Victoria gain the 2 extra platforms without a major overhaul of the station for the Bolton side. Even on the Rochdale side where there are 2 side terminus platforms there is no where to expand due to the fact that Metrolink is directly next to them - Yes Metrolink are building a new island platform (ie. Metrolink Platform 3 and 4) - possibly that's where you got the idea of 2 new platforms at Victoria - but that is getting done in readiness of the second city centre route which has started to be built.
I agree it is a real shame we will gain no new peak services are few if any off peak services,

I think the bay platform at Oxford Road will close for good as Network Rail states here: "Removing platform 5 from operational use." as one of the plans.

http://www.networkra
il.co.uk/improvement
s/northern-hub/proje
cts/manchester-oxfor
d-road-piccadilly/ma
nchester-oxford-road
-station-proposals/

There is a Network Rail document in which NR had agreed the future design of Salford Central and the tracks that pass through it, only they wouldn't fund the project and it would be up to Salford Council to fund it in which they are still searching for funds. See link for discussion and link to document.

http://www.railforum
s.co.uk/showthread.p
hp?t=60290&highlight
=salford+central&pag
e=86
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: For those interested in the shorter term implications see a sneak preview at the May timetable revision here. http://www.opentrain times.com/location/B ON/2014-05-12/0000-2 359 Also will Manchester Victoria get two new platforms? There's no mention about that here (see link). I thought Piccadilly was gaining two and Oxford Road was losing one. There's also a chance of Salford Central getting up to three new platforms if funding can be secured. http://www.networkra il.co.uk/Manchester_ Victoria_station_red evelopment.aspx[/p][/quote]Firstly I checked that weblink and the times of the trains in May compared to now - NOTHING has changed in either morning peak or afternoon peak- which is where the changes do need to take place! Piccadilly IS gaining Platforms 15 and 16 - they will also be island platform akin to platforms 13 and 14! Oxford Road is NOT losing any platforms - Platform 1 will temporarily close whilst engineering works takes place, but will re-open. If one looks at the works taking place at Central, which I use everyday, it would be a pipedream to re-open the platforms but it isn't going to happen as the works are there whilst the new bridge is building built and for the electrification of the lines. Also if one looks at the Northern Hub plans, the turning of tracks for the new bridge (to take trains to Piccadilly from Victoria) actually start curving before the end of the platform and as such wouldn't be able to handle 3 full-length coach diesel unit never mind a 3 ro 4 car electric train. Where would Victoria gain the 2 extra platforms without a major overhaul of the station for the Bolton side. Even on the Rochdale side where there are 2 side terminus platforms there is no where to expand due to the fact that Metrolink is directly next to them - Yes Metrolink are building a new island platform (ie. Metrolink Platform 3 and 4) - possibly that's where you got the idea of 2 new platforms at Victoria - but that is getting done in readiness of the second city centre route which has started to be built.[/p][/quote]I agree it is a real shame we will gain no new peak services are few if any off peak services, I think the bay platform at Oxford Road will close for good as Network Rail states here: "Removing platform 5 from operational use." as one of the plans. http://www.networkra il.co.uk/improvement s/northern-hub/proje cts/manchester-oxfor d-road-piccadilly/ma nchester-oxford-road -station-proposals/ There is a Network Rail document in which NR had agreed the future design of Salford Central and the tracks that pass through it, only they wouldn't fund the project and it would be up to Salford Council to fund it in which they are still searching for funds. See link for discussion and link to document. http://www.railforum s.co.uk/showthread.p hp?t=60290&highlight =salford+central&pag e=86 thealexweb
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10:24am Wed 12 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Ahhh BWFC71 I understand your pain with the driving situation. I myself work for a local train company based in Manchester but sometimes I opt to drive! The new platforms at Vic are being penned as two new bay platforms at the west end of the station on the disused bridge which terminates at the wall of the arena behind platform 6.
Ahhh BWFC71 I understand your pain with the driving situation. I myself work for a local train company based in Manchester but sometimes I opt to drive! The new platforms at Vic are being penned as two new bay platforms at the west end of the station on the disused bridge which terminates at the wall of the arena behind platform 6. FreedomOfSpeech1945
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10:27am Wed 12 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Where are you going to park when the car park at BON closes for the re-opening of platform 5? As there is talk of only having 12 spaces for staff. Unless there is going to be a multi-storey built somewhere close by?!
Where are you going to park when the car park at BON closes for the re-opening of platform 5? As there is talk of only having 12 spaces for staff. Unless there is going to be a multi-storey built somewhere close by?! FreedomOfSpeech1945
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12:54pm Wed 12 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Where are you going to park when the car park at BON closes for the re-opening of platform 5? As there is talk of only having 12 spaces for staff. Unless there is going to be a multi-storey built somewhere close by?!
It will have to be in the side streets behind Sainsbuys as that is the only place, otherwise I would have to drive into work - soemthing I honest;y do not wnat to do - after 7 years of near perfect public transport netwrok where all companies work together to benefit teh customer (i.e. The Netherlands) to come back to Bolton and see how bad public transport is operated not just by the peicemeal of the railways but by the lack of regard for customers by ALL concerned. Thats why I am for the customer and I am fighting for better services in ALL forms of transport.

As for the so-called bay-platform so in otherwords basically re-opening Exchange Station!!! As that area is not Victoria Station but the old Exchange Station with what used to be the worlds longest platform that covered 2 stations.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Where are you going to park when the car park at BON closes for the re-opening of platform 5? As there is talk of only having 12 spaces for staff. Unless there is going to be a multi-storey built somewhere close by?![/p][/quote]It will have to be in the side streets behind Sainsbuys as that is the only place, otherwise I would have to drive into work - soemthing I honest;y do not wnat to do - after 7 years of near perfect public transport netwrok where all companies work together to benefit teh customer (i.e. The Netherlands) to come back to Bolton and see how bad public transport is operated not just by the peicemeal of the railways but by the lack of regard for customers by ALL concerned. Thats why I am for the customer and I am fighting for better services in ALL forms of transport. As for the so-called bay-platform so in otherwords basically re-opening Exchange Station!!! As that area is not Victoria Station but the old Exchange Station with what used to be the worlds longest platform that covered 2 stations. The Righteous One
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