LiveHigh winds battering Bolton

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Summary

  • Bolton is being battered by strong winds, causing destruction across the town.
  • The Met Office has issued a "red" weather warning, meaning there is a risk to life.
  • Trees and signs have been blown over, and buildings have been damaged.
  • People are being advised not to travel unless necessary.

10:06am

See the latest updates on today's clean-up operation here.

10:04pm

Roof and chimney down at the Seven Stars pub in Harwood.

Firefighters in attendance.

9:58pm

The Bolton News:

Tree blocking Roading Brook Road in Harwood

9:53pm

The Bolton News:

Tree down in Chapeltown Road, Bromley Cross, near Turton School

9:36pm

A thank you from one of our readers to the have-a-go hero on the A666 earlier:

 

"A huge thank you to the man in the red car on the A666 who directed traffic when the lamp fell down. You probably saved us from a pile up."

9:24pm

One of our readers from Kirkhall Lane, Heaton sent us this photo of destruction caused by the fallen conifer.

I call it the "weather Bolfie".

The Bolton News:

 

 

9:00pm

Parts of Chill Factore roof  damaged in the storms.

Snow bosses insist the indoor slopes will be open for 10am tomorrow morning. 

8:47pm

Greater Manchester fire chiefs, who run the service in Bolton,  say firefighters are being sent down south to help the worse affected areas dealing with floods.

A Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue spokesman said tonight: "As Greater Manchester deals with the local weather-related issues, nationally fire crews are continuing to respond to major flooding in the south of the country.

"GMFRS has been assisting and has sent resources to Berkshire."

8:42pm

Police say no one has been injured in Bolton during the storm tonight. 

8:32pm

TRAFFIC ALERT

Lamppost down on the A666, St Peter's Way southbound, near the Bradford Street junction.

One lane shut but police and electricians clearing the carriageway now. 

 

8:25pm

Busy night for nearly all of Bolton's fire crews. Farnworth are the only firefighters in at their station. 

Bury are also out at the moment.

The phones in the control room have not stopped with reports of fallen trees, flying roof tiles and other damage, according to fire chiefs.

8:09pm

The fallen tree in Blackburn Road, Egerton has been cleared now.

Busy night for all the tree surgeons out there. 

7:56pm

A sign has fallen at the All Souls Church construction site in Astley Street, Astley Bridge.

7:51pm

We have had reports of a fallen tree in Blackburn Road, Dunscar. 

7:50pm

Fire service area manager Warren Pickstone said: “It’s pretty treacherous out there and we would ask people not to take the risk as we have had over 200 calls about trees falling down, tiles blowing off roofs and other hazardous situations.

“In many cases we have referred people to the highways agencies or builders, so that we do not need to tie up our fire crews who are dealing with life critical incidents.”

7:47pm

Do not dial 999 unless lives are at risk, fire chiefs have warned.

7:46pm

The fire service have had more than 200 phone calls about trees falling down, tiles blowing off roofs and other hazardous situations so far tonight across Greater Manchester.

7:33pm

TRAIN UPDATE:

Trains up and running again run between Manchester and Stockport, according to Northern Rail. 

7:30pm

A man thought to be in his 70s has been killed at Bremhill near Calne, Wiltshire while trying to remove a tree which had brought down power cables, say Wiltshire Police. They say he is believed to have been electrocuted.

Remember to stay indoors unless absolutely necessary. 

7:16pm

Firefighters attend the fallen tree in Kirk Hall Lane, Heaton.

The Bolton News:

7:12pm

A665 Higher Lane both ways closed due to unsafe building between Egerton Road and A56 Bury New Road.

6:50pm

A tree surgeon is on the scene in Wyresdale Road, Heaton to remove the fallen conifer.

6:45pm

6:33pm

Commuter chaos expected.

Northern Rails: no trains will run between Preston and Lancaster between 7pm and 9pm.

No alternative transport will be available.

6:31pm

Northern Rail say speed restrictions have been applied on the following routes:

Carlisle - Preston / Crewe
Manchester Piccadilly / Liverpool Lime Street - Crewe / Stoke-on-Trent
Carnforth / Barrow-in-Furness and Carlisle (Cumbrian Coast)
Settle - Carlisle
Preston - Blackpool North / Blackpool South
Lancaster - Windermere
Crewe - Stoke-on-Trent

Passengers should expect journeys to take up to an hour longer.

6:29pm

Crewe Railway Station has been evacuated and closed after high winds batter blew part of the roof off and brought power lines down.

6:27pm

The West Coast Main Line will close between Preston and Lancaster for a couple of hours at around 7pm today because of high winds, Network Rail said.

6:13pm

6:11pm

Thanks to the anonymous reader who sent in the picture of the fallen tree in Bailey Lane, Breightmet. If anyone has any pictures, please send them to charlotte.dobson@theboltonnews.co.uk tonight.

6:09pm

Here's the national weather situation. Flooding and high winds causing problems all over England:

High winds and heavy rain are piling more flood misery and travel disruption on to parts of the UK.
The Thames is predicted to rise to its highest level in more than 60 years in some places, while the Met Office has issued a "red" weather warning for exceptionally strong winds in western parts of Wales and north-western parts of England.

Winds of 80mph are expected widely in those areas and gusts could reach up to 100mph in the most exposed locations in west and north west Wales, potentially hitting power supplies, bringing down trees and causing widespread damage.
Coastal areas could also be battered by large waves, the Met Office said.
Gusts of 92mph have already been recorded in the Mumbles on the Gower Peninsula, south west Wales, and the south coast of the Irish Republic has been battered by winds of 96mph, weather forecaster Meteogroup said.
The Met Office has forecast 70mm (2.75 inches) of rain by Friday in the already-sodden West Country - more than the region would normally get in the whole of February - with south Wales, western Scotland, Northern Ireland and other parts of southern England also expected to bear the brunt of the deluge.
Windsor, Maidenhead and communities in Surrey have been warned to expect severe disruption and risk of flooding. There are 14 severe flood warnings - meaning there is a danger to life - in the Thames Valley.
Around 50 homes flooded overnight in the Thames Valley, bringing the total number of homes flooded across the country since late January to 1,135. Some 5,800 properties have flooded since early December when the series of winter storms began.
Another two severe flood warnings remain in place in Somerset, while the Environment Agency has 129 flood warnings and more than 200 less serious flood alerts in force across England and Wales.
The West Coast Main Line will close between Preston and Lancaster for a couple of hours at around 7pm today because of high winds, Network Rail said.
From 4pm there were speed restrictions in place on various rail routes in north west England, with passengers told to expect journey times to be extended by up to 60 minutes.
There were no East Midlands trains running between Manchester Oxford Road and Liverpool Lime Street.
The AA said that by early afternoon it had attended 29 flood-stricken vehicles, with the number since last Friday reaching 680.
Prime Minister David Cameron will cut short his attendance at an international conference tomorrow to focus on dealing with the flooding.
He had been due to speak at the London Conference on the Illegal Wildlife Trade, alongside the Prince of Wales and Duke of Cambridge.

6:07pm

6:05pm

The M60 is closed both ways between J10, at the Trafford Centre and J11, Barton

6:03pm

A 70ft tree has blown down in Heaton.

The huge conifer came crashing down from Beverley Road across Kirk Hall Lane at about 5pm.

Fire crews are at the scene.

Luckily no one was hurt.

Be careful folks, it's hell out there. 

6:02pm

6:00pm

5:58pm

The Bolton News: Police have cordoned off part of Bradshawgate after a window fell from Bamboogy

The smashed window from Bamboogy

5:58pm

The Bolton News: Police have cordoned off part of Bradshawgate after a window fell from Bamboogy

Bamboogy in Bradshawgate, where a window fell into the street. The area has been cordoned off by police.

5:57pm

Fire chiefs say their control room is being "inundated" with calls from across Bolton and Great Manchester.

Residents are being advised to not make unnecessary journeys and secure all outdoor furniture. 

Warren Pickstone. Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue's head of resilience and planning said: “We are urging people to take extra care in this weather.

“Think about your property and secure large items like climbing frames and trampolines. Remove items which could be easily blown away like garden furniture or laundry from your garden or balcony.

“Don’t go out in your vehicle or make journeys unless you really have to – If you must travel please take extra care, plan your journey and leave plenty of time to get to your destination.

“Our control room operators are very busy at the moment please only call 999 in an emergency. There may be other services you can call, your local council, highways agency, local builders or TV engineers. “

5:56pm

The Bolton News: Blown over tree, Bailey Lane, Breightmet.

A tree blown over in Bailey Lane, Breightmet.

5:55pm

SWIRLING winds and torrential rain are battering Bolton this afternoon – and the Met Office has issed a "red" warning for the North West.

The most severe warning available to the Met Office was issued ahead of anticipated gusts of up to 100mph.

Bolton Council has announced that it is in a "state of readiness" after hearing of the severe inclement weather forecast during the afternoon and evening.

A window has been blown out of the Bamboogy bar in Bradshawgate, shattering on the pavement outside.

It is not thought that anyone was hurt by the incident, although a police cordon is currently in place outside the bar.

A road sign has been uprooted in Junction Road West in Lostock, while shoppers and pedestrians in the town centre have been drenched and buffeted by the winds.

Although the worst winds are expected to hit more coastal regions, people are being advised to alter their travel arrangements.

Red weather warnings are very rare, usually occuring only once or twice a year, with the Met Office only issuing them if there is a "risk to life".

People are also being urged to be aware of the risks posed by falling trees, structural damage to property and loss of power.

Drivers on the M60 are also currently experiencing problems because of the winds.

Traffic is very slow clockwise between junction 8 at Carrington and junction 12 at the Eccles Interchange, with matrix signs set to 50mph.

There are also long delays in both directions on Barton Bridge between junction 10 and the Trafford Centre and junction 11 at Barton.

A Met Office spokesman said: "During this afternoon a swathe of exceptionally strong winds is expected to affect western parts of Wales and then some northwestern parts of England this evening.

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7:15pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Loose Talk says...

The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?
The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we? Loose Talk
  • Score: -15

7:45pm Wed 12 Feb 14

steveG says...

Oh how I long for the days,pre mass media,when we just got on with it.
Far too many people,employed in the media,with nothing better to do than whip up hysteria,while the majority of us look on with incredulity.
Oh how I long for the days,pre mass media,when we just got on with it. Far too many people,employed in the media,with nothing better to do than whip up hysteria,while the majority of us look on with incredulity. steveG
  • Score: 19

7:56pm Wed 12 Feb 14

MissPeg says...

steveG wrote:
Oh how I long for the days,pre mass media,when we just got on with it.
Far too many people,employed in the media,with nothing better to do than whip up hysteria,while the majority of us look on with incredulity.
Some people appreciate being kept up to date. If I was to venture out in this weather, it's really useful to know that a tree is probably blocking Blackburn Road (as they so often do when the weather is bad).

Besides, there are a lot of people probably stranded right now. Do you think they would want to know whether trains are running, etc?! Or would you rather they be stranded at train stations in the freezing cold?!
[quote][p][bold]steveG[/bold] wrote: Oh how I long for the days,pre mass media,when we just got on with it. Far too many people,employed in the media,with nothing better to do than whip up hysteria,while the majority of us look on with incredulity.[/p][/quote]Some people appreciate being kept up to date. If I was to venture out in this weather, it's really useful to know that a tree is probably blocking Blackburn Road (as they so often do when the weather is bad). Besides, there are a lot of people probably stranded right now. Do you think they would want to know whether trains are running, etc?! Or would you rather they be stranded at train stations in the freezing cold?! MissPeg
  • Score: 11

8:46pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

Loose Talk wrote:
The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?
I'm baffled as to why you received thumbs down for your post, I couldn't agree more! It is definitely the attitude we require and we should come together in the face of adversity. In the grand scheme of things, we are extremely fortunate that these occurrences are relatively scarce in comparison to treacherous conditions and tsunamis in the Pacific and other parts of the world.
[quote][p][bold]Loose Talk[/bold] wrote: The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?[/p][/quote]I'm baffled as to why you received thumbs down for your post, I couldn't agree more! It is definitely the attitude we require and we should come together in the face of adversity. In the grand scheme of things, we are extremely fortunate that these occurrences are relatively scarce in comparison to treacherous conditions and tsunamis in the Pacific and other parts of the world. Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: -4

8:48pm Wed 12 Feb 14

aardwolf says...

steveG wrote:
Oh how I long for the days,pre mass media,when we just got on with it.
Far too many people,employed in the media,with nothing better to do than whip up hysteria,while the majority of us look on with incredulity.
Garbage. This is when the media comes into its own. Without it there'd be even more chaos.
[quote][p][bold]steveG[/bold] wrote: Oh how I long for the days,pre mass media,when we just got on with it. Far too many people,employed in the media,with nothing better to do than whip up hysteria,while the majority of us look on with incredulity.[/p][/quote]Garbage. This is when the media comes into its own. Without it there'd be even more chaos. aardwolf
  • Score: 6

9:21pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Chezzza says...

A Huge thank you to the man in the red car on the 666 who directed traffic when the lamp fell down. You probably saved us from a pile up.
A Huge thank you to the man in the red car on the 666 who directed traffic when the lamp fell down. You probably saved us from a pile up. Chezzza
  • Score: 24

10:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

tinypet says...

Is it true the gold ball above Preston's of Bolton is hanging off?
Is it true the gold ball above Preston's of Bolton is hanging off? tinypet
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Wed 12 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Loose Talk wrote:
The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?
Such a rich nation that we are now 13 milliard (long form) , or 1.3 trillion (short form) in debt and rowing on a daily basis and our GDP is worse than either Greece or Spains!!!


Yes we are a rich nation - NOT! All built on debt and non-repayment!
[quote][p][bold]Loose Talk[/bold] wrote: The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?[/p][/quote]Such a rich nation that we are now 13 milliard (long form) , or 1.3 trillion (short form) in debt and rowing on a daily basis and our GDP is worse than either Greece or Spains!!! Yes we are a rich nation - NOT! All built on debt and non-repayment! BWFC71
  • Score: 2

11:19pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Loose Talk wrote:
The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?
Idiot, how about the banks pay for everything seeing we bailed that shower of shyte out.
[quote][p][bold]Loose Talk[/bold] wrote: The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?[/p][/quote]Idiot, how about the banks pay for everything seeing we bailed that shower of shyte out. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 7

12:18am Thu 13 Feb 14

wsw69 says...

The only thing that matters is human life and no one is injured or worse.

In times of crisis who gives a feck about who is reporting what, why, when, who is to blame. Get on with chipping in, helping anyone who needs it when they need it, and let's worry about the cost's, who foots the bill on so on later.

There are many tens of millions around the world that are nowhere near as fortunate as we are.

So put-up, shut-up and crack-on in getting sorted and making the best of a bloody bad enough situation!
The only thing that matters is human life and no one is injured or worse. In times of crisis who gives a feck about who is reporting what, why, when, who is to blame. Get on with chipping in, helping anyone who needs it when they need it, and let's worry about the cost's, who foots the bill on so on later. There are many tens of millions around the world that are nowhere near as fortunate as we are. So put-up, shut-up and crack-on in getting sorted and making the best of a bloody bad enough situation! wsw69
  • Score: 16

12:41am Thu 13 Feb 14

The Priceshagger says...

wsw69 wrote:
The only thing that matters is human life and no one is injured or worse.

In times of crisis who gives a feck about who is reporting what, why, when, who is to blame. Get on with chipping in, helping anyone who needs it when they need it, and let's worry about the cost's, who foots the bill on so on later.

There are many tens of millions around the world that are nowhere near as fortunate as we are.

So put-up, shut-up and crack-on in getting sorted and making the best of a bloody bad enough situation!
Very well said wsw69.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: The only thing that matters is human life and no one is injured or worse. In times of crisis who gives a feck about who is reporting what, why, when, who is to blame. Get on with chipping in, helping anyone who needs it when they need it, and let's worry about the cost's, who foots the bill on so on later. There are many tens of millions around the world that are nowhere near as fortunate as we are. So put-up, shut-up and crack-on in getting sorted and making the best of a bloody bad enough situation![/p][/quote]Very well said wsw69. The Priceshagger
  • Score: 9

1:13am Thu 13 Feb 14

BoltonGirlxx says...

Well struggled to get out of my car when i got home, wind was strong! Blowing the door into me, had a 'comedy moment' trying to use my legs to push car door open, Dont worry people, I did get out and am warm and comfy. But that is some seriously strong wind.
Well struggled to get out of my car when i got home, wind was strong! Blowing the door into me, had a 'comedy moment' trying to use my legs to push car door open, Dont worry people, I did get out and am warm and comfy. But that is some seriously strong wind. BoltonGirlxx
  • Score: 1

2:30am Thu 13 Feb 14

BoltonGirlxx says...

Are you having a laugh!! Live updates - she finished at ten!!! Seriously Bolton News you are a laughing stock of local newspapers, I get more news of facebook and twitter. The one thing you could do for the town you stop at 10pm. Just shut down, stop wasting your time. I have become ashamed of your 8 page newspaper
Are you having a laugh!! Live updates - she finished at ten!!! Seriously Bolton News you are a laughing stock of local newspapers, I get more news of facebook and twitter. The one thing you could do for the town you stop at 10pm. Just shut down, stop wasting your time. I have become ashamed of your 8 page newspaper BoltonGirlxx
  • Score: 1

7:51am Thu 13 Feb 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Loose Talk wrote:
The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?
Such a rich nation that we are now 13 milliard (long form) , or 1.3 trillion (short form) in debt and rowing on a daily basis and our GDP is worse than either Greece or Spains!!!


Yes we are a rich nation - NOT! All built on debt and non-repayment!
Very similar to the football club you claim to support, how ironic! It may be debt but it is manageable debt. The economy will not perish entirely and we will not devolve and abstain from new initiatives and measures to stimulate fiscal growth. We will regenerate and prosper in uncertain financial times as there is no other option.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loose Talk[/bold] wrote: The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?[/p][/quote]Such a rich nation that we are now 13 milliard (long form) , or 1.3 trillion (short form) in debt and rowing on a daily basis and our GDP is worse than either Greece or Spains!!! Yes we are a rich nation - NOT! All built on debt and non-repayment![/p][/quote]Very similar to the football club you claim to support, how ironic! It may be debt but it is manageable debt. The economy will not perish entirely and we will not devolve and abstain from new initiatives and measures to stimulate fiscal growth. We will regenerate and prosper in uncertain financial times as there is no other option. Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: 0

8:52am Thu 13 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Loose Talk wrote:
The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?
Such a rich nation that we are now 13 milliard (long form) , or 1.3 trillion (short form) in debt and rowing on a daily basis and our GDP is worse than either Greece or Spains!!!


Yes we are a rich nation - NOT! All built on debt and non-repayment!
Very similar to the football club you claim to support, how ironic! It may be debt but it is manageable debt. The economy will not perish entirely and we will not devolve and abstain from new initiatives and measures to stimulate fiscal growth. We will regenerate and prosper in uncertain financial times as there is no other option.
The national debt isn't actually manageable otherwise we wouldn't be borrowing millions on a daily basis thus ever increasing our debt. Out National debt is now around 75% of our GDP and even Osborne admits that the debt will go beond 80% of our GDP, by the end of 2015 (which funnily enough is worse than either Greece of Spain, even during the height of their financial problems).

Fact is whilst I do support as much help as possible for these storms through financial incentives (but funnily enough only started to happen when London, itself, was threatened by the floods) but in the long term who is going to pay for this additional money? - the Government will have to borrow more to spend that money!

Also why wasn't this financial help given last year when the North East was under water at least 4 times or when the floods started in the South West almost 2 months ago???
[quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loose Talk[/bold] wrote: The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?[/p][/quote]Such a rich nation that we are now 13 milliard (long form) , or 1.3 trillion (short form) in debt and rowing on a daily basis and our GDP is worse than either Greece or Spains!!! Yes we are a rich nation - NOT! All built on debt and non-repayment![/p][/quote]Very similar to the football club you claim to support, how ironic! It may be debt but it is manageable debt. The economy will not perish entirely and we will not devolve and abstain from new initiatives and measures to stimulate fiscal growth. We will regenerate and prosper in uncertain financial times as there is no other option.[/p][/quote]The national debt isn't actually manageable otherwise we wouldn't be borrowing millions on a daily basis thus ever increasing our debt. Out National debt is now around 75% of our GDP and even Osborne admits that the debt will go beond 80% of our GDP, by the end of 2015 (which funnily enough is worse than either Greece of Spain, even during the height of their financial problems). Fact is whilst I do support as much help as possible for these storms through financial incentives (but funnily enough only started to happen when London, itself, was threatened by the floods) but in the long term who is going to pay for this additional money? - the Government will have to borrow more to spend that money! Also why wasn't this financial help given last year when the North East was under water at least 4 times or when the floods started in the South West almost 2 months ago??? The Righteous One
  • Score: 1

9:31am Thu 13 Feb 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Loose Talk wrote:
The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?
Such a rich nation that we are now 13 milliard (long form) , or 1.3 trillion (short form) in debt and rowing on a daily basis and our GDP is worse than either Greece or Spains!!!


Yes we are a rich nation - NOT! All built on debt and non-repayment!
Very similar to the football club you claim to support, how ironic! It may be debt but it is manageable debt. The economy will not perish entirely and we will not devolve and abstain from new initiatives and measures to stimulate fiscal growth. We will regenerate and prosper in uncertain financial times as there is no other option.
The national debt isn't actually manageable otherwise we wouldn't be borrowing millions on a daily basis thus ever increasing our debt. Out National debt is now around 75% of our GDP and even Osborne admits that the debt will go beond 80% of our GDP, by the end of 2015 (which funnily enough is worse than either Greece of Spain, even during the height of their financial problems).

Fact is whilst I do support as much help as possible for these storms through financial incentives (but funnily enough only started to happen when London, itself, was threatened by the floods) but in the long term who is going to pay for this additional money? - the Government will have to borrow more to spend that money!

Also why wasn't this financial help given last year when the North East was under water at least 4 times or when the floods started in the South West almost 2 months ago???
If it wasn't manageable we would succomb to financial meltdown. Economic growth has fluctuated and increased since the last recession but this is something we have lived through successfully since the early 1900's. Debt mismanagement is epitomised no greater than America's current state of affairs and the weakening of the Petro-Dollar. It's absolutely useless putting negative spin on everything and pointing out the blatantly obvious. We are all capable of regurgitating the same old monotonous statistics but we need solutions. So far I think we have done quite a good job of sustaining civilisation and although times are more challenging than ever, I think we will live long enough to squeeze every last resource and fossil fuel out of the earth.

Glad you agree with the sentiment of helping those in need and it is surprising that other flooded areas did not receive the same widespread attention (E.g the North East). I'm not sure why it would be overlooked as I couldn't imagine there being any favouritism in the country at all.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loose Talk[/bold] wrote: The conditions at the moment are horrendous but hopefully not commonplace in the future. No government could be expected to plan for every eventuality where weather and other natural events are concerned. Eric Pickles is quite right to point out that, compared with many, we are a rich nation still. If everyone contributed to a fund to be used to cover the cost of dealing with any extreme, natural emergency we would all be better for it. Imposition of a 'crisis tax' of 1p in the £, from pay and benefits, could generate the required cash in a few weeks. We are all in it together!! Aren't we?[/p][/quote]Such a rich nation that we are now 13 milliard (long form) , or 1.3 trillion (short form) in debt and rowing on a daily basis and our GDP is worse than either Greece or Spains!!! Yes we are a rich nation - NOT! All built on debt and non-repayment![/p][/quote]Very similar to the football club you claim to support, how ironic! It may be debt but it is manageable debt. The economy will not perish entirely and we will not devolve and abstain from new initiatives and measures to stimulate fiscal growth. We will regenerate and prosper in uncertain financial times as there is no other option.[/p][/quote]The national debt isn't actually manageable otherwise we wouldn't be borrowing millions on a daily basis thus ever increasing our debt. Out National debt is now around 75% of our GDP and even Osborne admits that the debt will go beond 80% of our GDP, by the end of 2015 (which funnily enough is worse than either Greece of Spain, even during the height of their financial problems). Fact is whilst I do support as much help as possible for these storms through financial incentives (but funnily enough only started to happen when London, itself, was threatened by the floods) but in the long term who is going to pay for this additional money? - the Government will have to borrow more to spend that money! Also why wasn't this financial help given last year when the North East was under water at least 4 times or when the floods started in the South West almost 2 months ago???[/p][/quote]If it wasn't manageable we would succomb to financial meltdown. Economic growth has fluctuated and increased since the last recession but this is something we have lived through successfully since the early 1900's. Debt mismanagement is epitomised no greater than America's current state of affairs and the weakening of the Petro-Dollar. It's absolutely useless putting negative spin on everything and pointing out the blatantly obvious. We are all capable of regurgitating the same old monotonous statistics but we need solutions. So far I think we have done quite a good job of sustaining civilisation and although times are more challenging than ever, I think we will live long enough to squeeze every last resource and fossil fuel out of the earth. Glad you agree with the sentiment of helping those in need and it is surprising that other flooded areas did not receive the same widespread attention (E.g the North East). I'm not sure why it would be overlooked as I couldn't imagine there being any favouritism in the country at all. Reebok Rhythm
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10:34am Mon 24 Feb 14

marco999 says...

My clothes prop blew over - gutted
My clothes prop blew over - gutted marco999
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