Revealed: Bolton's cheapest and most expensive streets

Revealed: Bolton's cheapest and most expensive streets

Cecilia Street, Great Lever, where houses cost an average of £32,667

Cecilia Street resident Matthew Ward is looking for somewhere else to live

Residents describe Cecilia Street as “horrible”

Regal living in Regent Road, Lostock, Bolton’s most expensive street with an average house price of £608,333

Regal living in Regent Road, Lostock, Bolton’s most expensive street with an average house price of £608,333

Regal living in Regent Road, Lostock, Bolton’s most expensive street with an average house price of £608,333

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BOLTON is a tale of two towns as new figures show that the huge difference in property prices between the cheapest and most expensive streets ranges from £32,667 to £608,333. Reporter Jeremy Culley looks at both ends of the scale.

THE cheapest place to buy a house in Greater Manchester is in Bolton, according to new figures.

Statistics from the Land Registry reveal it costs just £32,667 to buy a terraced house in Cecilia Street, Great Lever.

And three other Bolton streets also fall into the region’s cheapest 15.

Properties in Calder Road, Great Lever, cost an average of £39,865, in Westgate Avenue, Heaton, £43,921, and in Moorfield Grove, Tonge Moor, £39,667, according to the figures for last year.

The next cheapest street in Greater Manchester is Ben Street, in Clayton, where houses cost £33,250.

Streets in Oldham, Manchester and Spring Street, in Bury, had an average price in 2013 of £45,333.

Most of the terraced houses in Cecilia Street are rented out, with only a few inhabited by the owners.

The homes have no driveways or “green” features, with an old factory building at one end and a modern block of flats at the other.

Residents said the “horrible” street had no real positives and that they were looking to move away as soon as possible.

Matthew Ward said: “I’m from Westhoughton but I’ve been here six months and it’s awful.

“The only good thing is that my brother lives opposite.

“We’re actually looking at some different places now, a bit closer to the town centre.

“I would not recommend that anyone move here.”

Nicola Banks, another resident, added: “The rent is quite high for us, at £110 per week for our house. The police are round here all the time, nearly every other day, putting doors through.

“I’ve been here only six months, but I moved out for three because I hated it that much.”

Estate agents said there were many reasons why the prices of older, terraced houses were falling.

Keith Lancaster, from Lancaster’s estate agents, based in Winter Hey Lane, Horwich, said: “Youngsters don’t want terraced houses any more and you can get a modest semi-detached house for about £90,000 now.

“The age of the houses round there is another factor, as older ones are more expensive to heat and there is greater thermal efficiency in modern homes.”

According to police statistics, there were 49 reported incidents in Cecilia Street in 2013 — including six incidents of violent crime, four violent sexual offences and 23 incidents of anti-social behaviour.

Great Lever ward councillor Mohammed Ayub said he was aware of the problems in Cecilia Street and that the council was working to improve the area.

He added: “The problem in Cecilia Street is it has mainly rented properties and there are a few landlords who don’t seem to care who lives in them.

"It is on our radar and we are working to improve things. We have held surgeries there and have asked for a police presence. I think this is an exception — in general Great Lever is a nice place to live.”

How the other half live

BOLTON is also home to one of Greater Manchester’s priciest roads, according to latest Land Registry figures.

The average price of a house in Regent Road, Lostock, in 2013 was a mammoth £608,333, the 13th most expensive road in Greater Manchester.

The leafy, tree-lined avenue was the only Bolton road to be have a place in Greater Manchester’s top 15, which was dominated by Altrincham, which had 11 of the region’s priciest streets, including the top eight.

Chapel Lane, Altrincham, is the most expensive street, with a 2013 average price of more than £1.3 million.

Residents in Regent Road, Lostock, including Cllr Martyn Cox, the Bolton councillor for Westhoughton South, who lives just off the road, hailed the area for its links to Middlebrook Retail Park and Lostock railway station.

He said a mixture of cheaper and more expensive housing is essential if Bolton is to remain a diverse town.

Cllr Cox added: “Bolton needs areas to attract people without much money, such as new immigrants and the young labour workforce, but also areas to attract businessmen and executives.

“I have lived here for about 10 years and this was where my parents lived, after they started marriied life in a onebed flat in Farnworth.

“This area is attractive and leafy but it is also perfectly located. It is close to the motorway without being next to it, it is near Middlebrook, without being next door.

“Lostock railway station is a fantastic station and it is just down the road.

“There is a degree of aspiration about areas such as Lostock and Bromley Cross, which is healthy for people as they are growing up.”

Roy Walmsley, former chairman of Lostock Residents’ Association, added: “We moved here in 1966 and have really loved living here.

“It is nice that the golf course at the back of the house means we know nobody can build on it. It is also a very attractive view out of the back.

Lostock has always been a pleasant area to live.

“I was brought up in Deane and it is amazing to hear that houses along here are worth that much.”

Regent Road is less than a mile from Bolton School and is also home to Lostock Club.

Another resident, Pat Hedley, said: “My husband and I are retired and we will only move once now if we did.

“But why do we need to move from here? It’s a nice family home in a great location.”

Keith Lancaster, of Lancaster’s estate agents, agreed that Lostock’s links to Middlebrook and the motorways were important, but also stressed the importance of schools in driving up property value.

He said: “There are £250,000 semi-detached houses in Regent Road. It is far from all £1 million mansions.

“You would be amazed how important schools are, as parents select areas such as Lostock, Blackrod and Horwich purely because they know the kids will go to a good school.

"You can walk down the road in Regent Road and in two minutes be on the way to Manchester by rail for work and shopping.

“People might not need a second car because of that and that often makes a difference.”

One house in the street sold in February, 2013, for £825,000, according to property information website Zoopla.

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6:42am Sun 23 Feb 14

The Running Man says...

Residents describe Cecilia Street as “horrible”

Solution. The council compulsory purchases the properties that are rented to the worst tenants, i.e. those that refuse to work, who treat Bolton as a dustbin and generally think the world owes them a living. The council then rents them to tenants who actually give a **** for a reasonable rent. The landlords; hopefully by now having suffered financially (houses bought from them at a price their apathy has artificially lowered them to), are then forced to make decisions about the people they house, the people who effectively turn decent areas of Bolton into third world slums!

If they don't buck their ideas up they lose on every speculative deal they make; if they do change things everyone gains: pride restored, less apathy all round, community spirit restored etc.

These things don't happen overnight, nor do they happen by accident. Come on Bolton Council, get your finger out, otherwise you might as well twin us with Dharavai and let the place go to the dogs!
Residents describe Cecilia Street as “horrible” Solution. The council compulsory purchases the properties that are rented to the worst tenants, i.e. those that refuse to work, who treat Bolton as a dustbin and generally think the world owes them a living. The council then rents them to tenants who actually give a **** for a reasonable rent. The landlords; hopefully by now having suffered financially (houses bought from them at a price their apathy has artificially lowered them to), are then forced to make decisions about the people they house, the people who effectively turn decent areas of Bolton into third world slums! If they don't buck their ideas up they lose on every speculative deal they make; if they do change things everyone gains: pride restored, less apathy all round, community spirit restored etc. These things don't happen overnight, nor do they happen by accident. Come on Bolton Council, get your finger out, otherwise you might as well twin us with Dharavai and let the place go to the dogs! The Running Man
  • Score: 54

8:18am Sun 23 Feb 14

Freddies Assistant says...

Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton. Freddies Assistant
  • Score: 7

9:09am Sun 23 Feb 14

Janch1 says...

Years ago back in the 80s I bought a house in the Chorley Old Road area. What a mistake that was. We had only been in it about a month when the DSS brigade moved in. Nice little street of 2 up 2 downs or so it seemed, till the money grabbing landlords started buying up the empty ones where elderly people had died or gone into homes. By about 1992 the only house on our block where the residents worked was mine. The rest were DSS scroungers, in bed all day and partying all night. What choice had we but to live there when we were paying a mortgage on it? Not a lot. In the end we had to move as it was unbearable living there and sold the house, our home, to a builder and had to borrow money to pay the rest of the mortgage off. We ended up living with family until we got sorted out financially. Worse thing they ever did allowing the spongers to live in private housing.
Years ago back in the 80s I bought a house in the Chorley Old Road area. What a mistake that was. We had only been in it about a month when the DSS brigade moved in. Nice little street of 2 up 2 downs or so it seemed, till the money grabbing landlords started buying up the empty ones where elderly people had died or gone into homes. By about 1992 the only house on our block where the residents worked was mine. The rest were DSS scroungers, in bed all day and partying all night. What choice had we but to live there when we were paying a mortgage on it? Not a lot. In the end we had to move as it was unbearable living there and sold the house, our home, to a builder and had to borrow money to pay the rest of the mortgage off. We ended up living with family until we got sorted out financially. Worse thing they ever did allowing the spongers to live in private housing. Janch1
  • Score: 60

10:00am Sun 23 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

Janch1 wrote:
Years ago back in the 80s I bought a house in the Chorley Old Road area. What a mistake that was. We had only been in it about a month when the DSS brigade moved in. Nice little street of 2 up 2 downs or so it seemed, till the money grabbing landlords started buying up the empty ones where elderly people had died or gone into homes. By about 1992 the only house on our block where the residents worked was mine. The rest were DSS scroungers, in bed all day and partying all night. What choice had we but to live there when we were paying a mortgage on it? Not a lot. In the end we had to move as it was unbearable living there and sold the house, our home, to a builder and had to borrow money to pay the rest of the mortgage off. We ended up living with family until we got sorted out financially. Worse thing they ever did allowing the spongers to live in private housing.
The landlords probably live on Regent Rd.
[quote][p][bold]Janch1[/bold] wrote: Years ago back in the 80s I bought a house in the Chorley Old Road area. What a mistake that was. We had only been in it about a month when the DSS brigade moved in. Nice little street of 2 up 2 downs or so it seemed, till the money grabbing landlords started buying up the empty ones where elderly people had died or gone into homes. By about 1992 the only house on our block where the residents worked was mine. The rest were DSS scroungers, in bed all day and partying all night. What choice had we but to live there when we were paying a mortgage on it? Not a lot. In the end we had to move as it was unbearable living there and sold the house, our home, to a builder and had to borrow money to pay the rest of the mortgage off. We ended up living with family until we got sorted out financially. Worse thing they ever did allowing the spongers to live in private housing.[/p][/quote]The landlords probably live on Regent Rd. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 32

10:02am Sun 23 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

Janch1 wrote:
Years ago back in the 80s I bought a house in the Chorley Old Road area. What a mistake that was. We had only been in it about a month when the DSS brigade moved in. Nice little street of 2 up 2 downs or so it seemed, till the money grabbing landlords started buying up the empty ones where elderly people had died or gone into homes. By about 1992 the only house on our block where the residents worked was mine. The rest were DSS scroungers, in bed all day and partying all night. What choice had we but to live there when we were paying a mortgage on it? Not a lot. In the end we had to move as it was unbearable living there and sold the house, our home, to a builder and had to borrow money to pay the rest of the mortgage off. We ended up living with family until we got sorted out financially. Worse thing they ever did allowing the spongers to live in private housing.
The landlords probably live on Regent Rd.
[quote][p][bold]Janch1[/bold] wrote: Years ago back in the 80s I bought a house in the Chorley Old Road area. What a mistake that was. We had only been in it about a month when the DSS brigade moved in. Nice little street of 2 up 2 downs or so it seemed, till the money grabbing landlords started buying up the empty ones where elderly people had died or gone into homes. By about 1992 the only house on our block where the residents worked was mine. The rest were DSS scroungers, in bed all day and partying all night. What choice had we but to live there when we were paying a mortgage on it? Not a lot. In the end we had to move as it was unbearable living there and sold the house, our home, to a builder and had to borrow money to pay the rest of the mortgage off. We ended up living with family until we got sorted out financially. Worse thing they ever did allowing the spongers to live in private housing.[/p][/quote]The landlords probably live on Regent Rd. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 0

10:04am Sun 23 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

Donkey Stone wrote:
Janch1 wrote:
Years ago back in the 80s I bought a house in the Chorley Old Road area. What a mistake that was. We had only been in it about a month when the DSS brigade moved in. Nice little street of 2 up 2 downs or so it seemed, till the money grabbing landlords started buying up the empty ones where elderly people had died or gone into homes. By about 1992 the only house on our block where the residents worked was mine. The rest were DSS scroungers, in bed all day and partying all night. What choice had we but to live there when we were paying a mortgage on it? Not a lot. In the end we had to move as it was unbearable living there and sold the house, our home, to a builder and had to borrow money to pay the rest of the mortgage off. We ended up living with family until we got sorted out financially. Worse thing they ever did allowing the spongers to live in private housing.
The landlords probably live on Regent Rd.
Oops, sorry.
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Janch1[/bold] wrote: Years ago back in the 80s I bought a house in the Chorley Old Road area. What a mistake that was. We had only been in it about a month when the DSS brigade moved in. Nice little street of 2 up 2 downs or so it seemed, till the money grabbing landlords started buying up the empty ones where elderly people had died or gone into homes. By about 1992 the only house on our block where the residents worked was mine. The rest were DSS scroungers, in bed all day and partying all night. What choice had we but to live there when we were paying a mortgage on it? Not a lot. In the end we had to move as it was unbearable living there and sold the house, our home, to a builder and had to borrow money to pay the rest of the mortgage off. We ended up living with family until we got sorted out financially. Worse thing they ever did allowing the spongers to live in private housing.[/p][/quote]The landlords probably live on Regent Rd.[/p][/quote]Oops, sorry. Donkey Stone
  • Score: -4

10:11am Sun 23 Feb 14

thomas222 says...

Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..
Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party.. thomas222
  • Score: 88

11:04am Sun 23 Feb 14

underwater says...

Some thought must be given to landlords, most of the people who rent do not attempt to keep the ptoperties clean , ie filling the back yards with rubbish etc . It seems as if they think its not mine, so we can wreck it, and then complain about Mr Nasty Landlord and get moved on . He is then left with the job of cleaning the place up ,redecorating etc. This seems to happen time after time . The streets do not get into a mess themselves its the people who throw rubbish down . Until we start to respect the area we live in Bolton will continue to go downhill.And before people start slagging me off I have lived ion both rented and private property.
Some thought must be given to landlords, most of the people who rent do not attempt to keep the ptoperties clean , ie filling the back yards with rubbish etc . It seems as if they think its not mine, so we can wreck it, and then complain about Mr Nasty Landlord and get moved on . He is then left with the job of cleaning the place up ,redecorating etc. This seems to happen time after time . The streets do not get into a mess themselves its the people who throw rubbish down . Until we start to respect the area we live in Bolton will continue to go downhill.And before people start slagging me off I have lived ion both rented and private property. underwater
  • Score: 32

11:13am Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

The Running Man wrote:
Residents describe Cecilia Street as “horrible”

Solution. The council compulsory purchases the properties that are rented to the worst tenants, i.e. those that refuse to work, who treat Bolton as a dustbin and generally think the world owes them a living. The council then rents them to tenants who actually give a **** for a reasonable rent. The landlords; hopefully by now having suffered financially (houses bought from them at a price their apathy has artificially lowered them to), are then forced to make decisions about the people they house, the people who effectively turn decent areas of Bolton into third world slums!

If they don't buck their ideas up they lose on every speculative deal they make; if they do change things everyone gains: pride restored, less apathy all round, community spirit restored etc.

These things don't happen overnight, nor do they happen by accident. Come on Bolton Council, get your finger out, otherwise you might as well twin us with Dharavai and let the place go to the dogs!
Two slight problems with that......

1. The council doesn't have the money to CPO and then the landlords could easily say no and take the council to court which would cost even more money (and send the council tax even higher), plus the rules surrounding CPO are so tight, and regulated, that this would probably not be covered!

2. The council do not rent out homes as they sold off that department to the management team to become Bolton at Home which is 100% independent from the council!
[quote][p][bold]The Running Man[/bold] wrote: Residents describe Cecilia Street as “horrible” Solution. The council compulsory purchases the properties that are rented to the worst tenants, i.e. those that refuse to work, who treat Bolton as a dustbin and generally think the world owes them a living. The council then rents them to tenants who actually give a **** for a reasonable rent. The landlords; hopefully by now having suffered financially (houses bought from them at a price their apathy has artificially lowered them to), are then forced to make decisions about the people they house, the people who effectively turn decent areas of Bolton into third world slums! If they don't buck their ideas up they lose on every speculative deal they make; if they do change things everyone gains: pride restored, less apathy all round, community spirit restored etc. These things don't happen overnight, nor do they happen by accident. Come on Bolton Council, get your finger out, otherwise you might as well twin us with Dharavai and let the place go to the dogs![/p][/quote]Two slight problems with that...... 1. The council doesn't have the money to CPO and then the landlords could easily say no and take the council to court which would cost even more money (and send the council tax even higher), plus the rules surrounding CPO are so tight, and regulated, that this would probably not be covered! 2. The council do not rent out homes as they sold off that department to the management team to become Bolton at Home which is 100% independent from the council! BWFC71
  • Score: -53

11:18am Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)
[quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow) BWFC71
  • Score: 0

11:20am Sun 23 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich.

What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.
[quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich. What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 11

11:27am Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..
How is this the council's fault?

I think you ought to read the report, or learn English!

The majority of houses are rented from PRIVATE landlords and NOT Social Housing landlords. If they were immigrants, and had gone through social housing, then they would be renting from Bolton at Home and other social housing landlords!!!!

Historically speaking the houses in Great Lever and Daubhill have always been some of the cheapest in the country because they were, at one time, attached to ills and only mill workers were allowed and since then they were private housing and as people climbed the so-called social-ladder moved out for the homes and either sold to private landlords or became landlords themselves thus reducing the price of housing even more!!! Whilst Lostock has always been a well respected, nouveux riche, area with expensive housing - not hard to fathom out. Even before I read the report and just saw the headlines I guessed the areas straight off!!!!!

Any excuse to try to blame the council or the Government (past or present) or even the EU, when in this case they are NOT to blame!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..[/p][/quote]How is this the council's fault? I think you ought to read the report, or learn English! The majority of houses are rented from PRIVATE landlords and NOT Social Housing landlords. If they were immigrants, and had gone through social housing, then they would be renting from Bolton at Home and other social housing landlords!!!! Historically speaking the houses in Great Lever and Daubhill have always been some of the cheapest in the country because they were, at one time, attached to ills and only mill workers were allowed and since then they were private housing and as people climbed the so-called social-ladder moved out for the homes and either sold to private landlords or became landlords themselves thus reducing the price of housing even more!!! Whilst Lostock has always been a well respected, nouveux riche, area with expensive housing - not hard to fathom out. Even before I read the report and just saw the headlines I guessed the areas straight off!!!!! Any excuse to try to blame the council or the Government (past or present) or even the EU, when in this case they are NOT to blame!!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -40

11:39am Sun 23 Feb 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..
How is this the council's fault? I think you ought to read the report, or learn English! The majority of houses are rented from PRIVATE landlords and NOT Social Housing landlords. If they were immigrants, and had gone through social housing, then they would be renting from Bolton at Home and other social housing landlords!!!! Historically speaking the houses in Great Lever and Daubhill have always been some of the cheapest in the country because they were, at one time, attached to ills and only mill workers were allowed and since then they were private housing and as people climbed the so-called social-ladder moved out for the homes and either sold to private landlords or became landlords themselves thus reducing the price of housing even more!!! Whilst Lostock has always been a well respected, nouveux riche, area with expensive housing - not hard to fathom out. Even before I read the report and just saw the headlines I guessed the areas straight off!!!!! Any excuse to try to blame the council or the Government (past or present) or even the EU, when in this case they are NOT to blame!!!!!
Here we go again total denial that Immigration has had a massive negative effect on this Town in certain areas & the services for all the people living outside of these areas. Your words mean nothing to people as they have heard it all before & words will never win over what people are seeing feeling hearing listening & experiencing. You are the minority as the EU Elections will show very very soon.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..[/p][/quote]How is this the council's fault? I think you ought to read the report, or learn English! The majority of houses are rented from PRIVATE landlords and NOT Social Housing landlords. If they were immigrants, and had gone through social housing, then they would be renting from Bolton at Home and other social housing landlords!!!! Historically speaking the houses in Great Lever and Daubhill have always been some of the cheapest in the country because they were, at one time, attached to ills and only mill workers were allowed and since then they were private housing and as people climbed the so-called social-ladder moved out for the homes and either sold to private landlords or became landlords themselves thus reducing the price of housing even more!!! Whilst Lostock has always been a well respected, nouveux riche, area with expensive housing - not hard to fathom out. Even before I read the report and just saw the headlines I guessed the areas straight off!!!!! Any excuse to try to blame the council or the Government (past or present) or even the EU, when in this case they are NOT to blame!!!!![/p][/quote]Here we go again total denial that Immigration has had a massive negative effect on this Town in certain areas & the services for all the people living outside of these areas. Your words mean nothing to people as they have heard it all before & words will never win over what people are seeing feeling hearing listening & experiencing. You are the minority as the EU Elections will show very very soon. thomas222
  • Score: 15

11:46am Sun 23 Feb 14

melloj says...

BWFC71 wrote:
The Running Man wrote:
Residents describe Cecilia Street as “horrible”

Solution. The council compulsory purchases the properties that are rented to the worst tenants, i.e. those that refuse to work, who treat Bolton as a dustbin and generally think the world owes them a living. The council then rents them to tenants who actually give a **** for a reasonable rent. The landlords; hopefully by now having suffered financially (houses bought from them at a price their apathy has artificially lowered them to), are then forced to make decisions about the people they house, the people who effectively turn decent areas of Bolton into third world slums!

If they don't buck their ideas up they lose on every speculative deal they make; if they do change things everyone gains: pride restored, less apathy all round, community spirit restored etc.

These things don't happen overnight, nor do they happen by accident. Come on Bolton Council, get your finger out, otherwise you might as well twin us with Dharavai and let the place go to the dogs!
Two slight problems with that......

1. The council doesn't have the money to CPO and then the landlords could easily say no and take the council to court which would cost even more money (and send the council tax even higher), plus the rules surrounding CPO are so tight, and regulated, that this would probably not be covered!

2. The council do not rent out homes as they sold off that department to the management team to become Bolton at Home which is 100% independent from the council!
Bolton at Home are worse. They are like the Gestapo and encroach on every aspect of your private life. They've given my mum high blood pressure. They call everyday and if they don't answer will come round and put the door through. Bolton at Home is one of the worse moves the council ever made.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Running Man[/bold] wrote: Residents describe Cecilia Street as “horrible” Solution. The council compulsory purchases the properties that are rented to the worst tenants, i.e. those that refuse to work, who treat Bolton as a dustbin and generally think the world owes them a living. The council then rents them to tenants who actually give a **** for a reasonable rent. The landlords; hopefully by now having suffered financially (houses bought from them at a price their apathy has artificially lowered them to), are then forced to make decisions about the people they house, the people who effectively turn decent areas of Bolton into third world slums! If they don't buck their ideas up they lose on every speculative deal they make; if they do change things everyone gains: pride restored, less apathy all round, community spirit restored etc. These things don't happen overnight, nor do they happen by accident. Come on Bolton Council, get your finger out, otherwise you might as well twin us with Dharavai and let the place go to the dogs![/p][/quote]Two slight problems with that...... 1. The council doesn't have the money to CPO and then the landlords could easily say no and take the council to court which would cost even more money (and send the council tax even higher), plus the rules surrounding CPO are so tight, and regulated, that this would probably not be covered! 2. The council do not rent out homes as they sold off that department to the management team to become Bolton at Home which is 100% independent from the council![/p][/quote]Bolton at Home are worse. They are like the Gestapo and encroach on every aspect of your private life. They've given my mum high blood pressure. They call everyday and if they don't answer will come round and put the door through. Bolton at Home is one of the worse moves the council ever made. melloj
  • Score: 6

2:51pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich.

What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.
But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich. What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.[/p][/quote]But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council. BWFC71
  • Score: -57

2:56pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Thomas

If you really think that the difference in prices is down to immigration then answer this.

Why in the late 1980's a house in Great Lever was going for £4,000 whilst in Lostock a house was going for £400,000?

Or lets go further back to about the 1950's when a house in Great Lever cost £300 whilst in Lostock it was £2400

So can you explain those differences down to so-called mass immigration?

Fact is, over history an over time and on into the future there will always be areas with cheap housing (such as Great Lever) whilst there will always be areas of expensive housing (such as Smithills, Lostock, Egeton, Harwood). Closer to the town centre the cheaper, the further away with more space and rooms the more expensive. No matter on who lives in the house!!!!!
Thomas If you really think that the difference in prices is down to immigration then answer this. Why in the late 1980's a house in Great Lever was going for £4,000 whilst in Lostock a house was going for £400,000? Or lets go further back to about the 1950's when a house in Great Lever cost £300 whilst in Lostock it was £2400 So can you explain those differences down to so-called mass immigration? Fact is, over history an over time and on into the future there will always be areas with cheap housing (such as Great Lever) whilst there will always be areas of expensive housing (such as Smithills, Lostock, Egeton, Harwood). Closer to the town centre the cheaper, the further away with more space and rooms the more expensive. No matter on who lives in the house!!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -64

4:07pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Chrome1 says...

Went on zoopla and the average price of a house on Cecilia street is £49k. I don't know where these figures spoonfed to the BN came from. The street looks pretty decent; the mill adds character I think. Furthermore Wythenshawe must have a street far worse than this. Frankly I generally attach little credibility to the primary school level reporting at the BN. There are streets far far worse than Cecilia St around Greater Manchester.
Went on zoopla and the average price of a house on Cecilia street is £49k. I don't know where these figures spoonfed to the BN came from. The street looks pretty decent; the mill adds character I think. Furthermore Wythenshawe must have a street far worse than this. Frankly I generally attach little credibility to the primary school level reporting at the BN. There are streets far far worse than Cecilia St around Greater Manchester. Chrome1
  • Score: 11

4:25pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich.

What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.
But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.
Go along either Chorley Old or Chorley New Road and you will see a Horwich boundary sign entering Horwich and a Bolton boundary sign entering Bolton.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich. What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.[/p][/quote]But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.[/p][/quote]Go along either Chorley Old or Chorley New Road and you will see a Horwich boundary sign entering Horwich and a Bolton boundary sign entering Bolton. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 5

5:04pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich.

What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.
But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.
Go along either Chorley Old or Chorley New Road and you will see a Horwich boundary sign entering Horwich and a Bolton boundary sign entering Bolton.
So does that man that Lostock, Blackrod, Westhoughton, Farnworth are not in Bolton just because they have signs up saying the locality? So does that mean anyone born at the Royal Bolton Hospital are actually non-Boltonians as it is in Farnworth, which is signposted as such?

The Metropolitan Borough of Bolton is named after its largest settlement, Bolton, but covers a far larger area which includes Blackrod, Farnworth, Horwich, Kearsley and Westhoughton, and a suburban and rural element from the West Pennine Moors.
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich. What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.[/p][/quote]But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.[/p][/quote]Go along either Chorley Old or Chorley New Road and you will see a Horwich boundary sign entering Horwich and a Bolton boundary sign entering Bolton.[/p][/quote]So does that man that Lostock, Blackrod, Westhoughton, Farnworth are not in Bolton just because they have signs up saying the locality? So does that mean anyone born at the Royal Bolton Hospital are actually non-Boltonians as it is in Farnworth, which is signposted as such? The Metropolitan Borough of Bolton is named after its largest settlement, Bolton, but covers a far larger area which includes Blackrod, Farnworth, Horwich, Kearsley and Westhoughton, and a suburban and rural element from the West Pennine Moors. BWFC71
  • Score: -66

5:52pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Tim Burr says...

thomas222 wrote:
Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..
Thomas, I'm aware of your Mastermind rejection in favour of somebody who's ancestors were Irish but we won't use that as an excuse for your blatant racism,no matter who much you'll deny it - or blame it on others.

Fact is, the only people who were prepared to buy property such as this were and are speculative landlords whom without no doubt the area would have become an even bigger shambles. It may have passed your notice, (maybe due to the blinkers many donkeys and cart horses wear.) The last few years has seen 'apartment' living on the rise - coming in usually below the price of a terrace with the attraction of being new, modern in design, energy efficient with very little maintenance. All appealing for today's young aspiring citizens and a few older ones. I realise, in your bedsit with thankfully for you, internet access, you sit dreaming, imagining the ills of the world are never your fault - how could they be? So lets find somebody else to blame little Tom Thumb. How about - I know - immigrants, they're a pretty easy target for you from behind the door latch.

Go on Tom, give us a clue - to whom will you turn your venom on next, what's your next little tiresome rant going to be, integration or have we had that one?

One last thing Tom - don't believe what you read, most of these terraces have benefited from European money for insulation and other 'green' treats, as have no doubt you too but didn't know it.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..[/p][/quote]Thomas, I'm aware of your Mastermind rejection in favour of somebody who's ancestors were Irish but we won't use that as an excuse for your blatant racism,no matter who much you'll deny it - or blame it on others. Fact is, the only people who were prepared to buy property such as this were and are speculative landlords whom without no doubt the area would have become an even bigger shambles. It may have passed your notice, (maybe due to the blinkers many donkeys and cart horses wear.) The last few years has seen 'apartment' living on the rise - coming in usually below the price of a terrace with the attraction of being new, modern in design, energy efficient with very little maintenance. All appealing for today's young aspiring citizens and a few older ones. I realise, in your bedsit with thankfully for you, internet access, you sit dreaming, imagining the ills of the world are never your fault - how could they be? So lets find somebody else to blame little Tom Thumb. How about - I know - immigrants, they're a pretty easy target for you from behind the door latch. Go on Tom, give us a clue - to whom will you turn your venom on next, what's your next little tiresome rant going to be, integration or have we had that one? One last thing Tom - don't believe what you read, most of these terraces have benefited from European money for insulation and other 'green' treats, as have no doubt you too but didn't know it. Tim Burr
  • Score: -74

6:20pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Tim Burr says...

Tom Thumb, see if you can make it 200 dislikes mate.
Tom Thumb, see if you can make it 200 dislikes mate. Tim Burr
  • Score: -80

6:27pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Rememberscarborough says...

Lots of bargains to be had out there because of people's prejudices. My missus persuaded us to move across Moss Bank Way from near the park to "Halliwell". The house we have has far more space than those on Regent road (with a far bigger garden) but at a third of the price of many of the houses on that road.

Does the name of the area you live in really matter so much?
Lots of bargains to be had out there because of people's prejudices. My missus persuaded us to move across Moss Bank Way from near the park to "Halliwell". The house we have has far more space than those on Regent road (with a far bigger garden) but at a third of the price of many of the houses on that road. Does the name of the area you live in really matter so much? Rememberscarborough
  • Score: -40

6:34pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Jackael says...

A lot of Anti British traitors on here tonight, you'll all be hung for your treachery come the revolution.
A lot of Anti British traitors on here tonight, you'll all be hung for your treachery come the revolution. Jackael
  • Score: 19

6:45pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
Tom Thumb, see if you can make it 200 dislikes mate.
Don't know what happened but your thumbs went from -102 to -50!!!!! Possibly Nigel Farage is frightened of the bad publicity!
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: Tom Thumb, see if you can make it 200 dislikes mate.[/p][/quote]Don't know what happened but your thumbs went from -102 to -50!!!!! Possibly Nigel Farage is frightened of the bad publicity! BWFC71
  • Score: -54

6:49pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Jackael wrote:
A lot of Anti British traitors on here tonight, you'll all be hung for your treachery come the revolution.
So does that mean you will also be hanging the monarchy considering they are German and Greek! And also hanging Farage's wife because she is also German? Or what about many of the politicians whose partners are of other EU country citizenship or what about 100% of the British population as there is no such thing as being 100% British (even in Bolton during the Industrial Revolution there was a major influx of Dutch and Flemish speakers that moved here for work and stayed!!! Or what about the ancestors of the resistance fighters for whom if it wasn't for them we would have probably lost the wars!!!

Seems that this forthcoming revolution will have a great number of people to hang - approximately 63 million by the sounds off it!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: A lot of Anti British traitors on here tonight, you'll all be hung for your treachery come the revolution.[/p][/quote]So does that mean you will also be hanging the monarchy considering they are German and Greek! And also hanging Farage's wife because she is also German? Or what about many of the politicians whose partners are of other EU country citizenship or what about 100% of the British population as there is no such thing as being 100% British (even in Bolton during the Industrial Revolution there was a major influx of Dutch and Flemish speakers that moved here for work and stayed!!! Or what about the ancestors of the resistance fighters for whom if it wasn't for them we would have probably lost the wars!!! Seems that this forthcoming revolution will have a great number of people to hang - approximately 63 million by the sounds off it!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -61

7:01pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Jackael says...

Year zero is January 1 2010 , anybody being disloyal to the flag from that day forward will have their neck stretched .
Year zero is January 1 2010 , anybody being disloyal to the flag from that day forward will have their neck stretched . Jackael
  • Score: 11

7:15pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Jackael wrote:
Year zero is January 1 2010 , anybody being disloyal to the flag from that day forward will have their neck stretched .
Which flag?

Union Flag?
Union Jack?
Ensign of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Government Service Ensign
Ensign of the defunct Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service
Ensign of the defunct Royal Navy Auxiliary Service
Ensign of the Northern Lighthouse Board
Ensign of the Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency
Ensign used by maritime departments of the Government of Bermuda.
Royal Engineers Ensign
Ensign used on Royal Logistic Corps vessels commanded by a Commissioned Officer.
Ensign used on Royal Logistic Corps vessels commanded by a Non-Commissioned Officer.
HM Customs & Excise. Superseded by the UK Border Agency on 1 April 2008.
UK Border Agency
Ensign of the Sea Cadet Corps
Ensign of Her Majesty's Coastguard
Flag of England
Flag of Northern Ireland
Flag of Wales
Flag of Scotland
Flag of Isle of Man
Flag of Jersey
Flag of Guernsey
Civil Jack
Civil Air Ensign
Royal British Legion Flag
White Ensign
Lord High Admiral Flag
Corps of her Majesty's Royal Marines
British Army
Royal Engineers
RAF Ensign
Secretary state of Defence Flag
The Royal Standard Flag
Elizabeth II flag
Flag of Cheshire
Flag of Greater Manchester
Flag of Lancashire
Flag of Merseyside


so which flag do you mean - they are ALL in use today?
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: Year zero is January 1 2010 , anybody being disloyal to the flag from that day forward will have their neck stretched .[/p][/quote]Which flag? Union Flag? Union Jack? Ensign of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Government Service Ensign Ensign of the defunct Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service Ensign of the defunct Royal Navy Auxiliary Service Ensign of the Northern Lighthouse Board Ensign of the Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency Ensign used by maritime departments of the Government of Bermuda. Royal Engineers Ensign Ensign used on Royal Logistic Corps vessels commanded by a Commissioned Officer. Ensign used on Royal Logistic Corps vessels commanded by a Non-Commissioned Officer. HM Customs & Excise. Superseded by the UK Border Agency on 1 April 2008. UK Border Agency Ensign of the Sea Cadet Corps Ensign of Her Majesty's Coastguard Flag of England Flag of Northern Ireland Flag of Wales Flag of Scotland Flag of Isle of Man Flag of Jersey Flag of Guernsey Civil Jack Civil Air Ensign Royal British Legion Flag White Ensign Lord High Admiral Flag Corps of her Majesty's Royal Marines British Army Royal Engineers RAF Ensign Secretary state of Defence Flag The Royal Standard Flag Elizabeth II flag Flag of Cheshire Flag of Greater Manchester Flag of Lancashire Flag of Merseyside so which flag do you mean - they are ALL in use today? BWFC71
  • Score: -54

7:23pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Plus lets not forget that the "Union Flag" was designed by a French man to represent the "Kingdom of Great Britaine" and encompassed in it s the flag od St George who was actually a Turk!

Very British, isn't it?
Plus lets not forget that the "Union Flag" was designed by a French man to represent the "Kingdom of Great Britaine" and encompassed in it s the flag od St George who was actually a Turk! Very British, isn't it? BWFC71
  • Score: -61

7:44pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Tim Burr says...

Jackael wrote:
Year zero is January 1 2010 , anybody being disloyal to the flag from that day forward will have their neck stretched .
That's all we need an Islamic extremist! Poor Tom Thumb will bashing his keyboard with all his 6 fingers and 7 toes when he reads this.
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: Year zero is January 1 2010 , anybody being disloyal to the flag from that day forward will have their neck stretched .[/p][/quote]That's all we need an Islamic extremist! Poor Tom Thumb will bashing his keyboard with all his 6 fingers and 7 toes when he reads this. Tim Burr
  • Score: -48

8:21pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Rememberscarborough says...

Wow! A score of -40 for what I thought was a pretty mundane comment on, of all things, houses. Sounds like there a lot of people out there who want to stir up a race riot no matter what the subject.
Wow! A score of -40 for what I thought was a pretty mundane comment on, of all things, houses. Sounds like there a lot of people out there who want to stir up a race riot no matter what the subject. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: -22

8:35pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Jackael says...

I bet Bwfc is creaming his pants because he's got one person to agree with him, you see he craves approval so badly.
I bet Bwfc is creaming his pants because he's got one person to agree with him, you see he craves approval so badly. Jackael
  • Score: 5

8:45pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Jackael wrote:
I bet Bwfc is creaming his pants because he's got one person to agree with him, you see he craves approval so badly.
Nope just enjoying the banter that you are not providing with all your wrong facts!
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: I bet Bwfc is creaming his pants because he's got one person to agree with him, you see he craves approval so badly.[/p][/quote]Nope just enjoying the banter that you are not providing with all your wrong facts! BWFC71
  • Score: -39

8:47pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Jackael, you never did answer the question a to which flag you mean?

I prefer the Lancashire flag, followed by the Flevoland flag (which was designed in Britain) followed the Hawaiian lag for the subtle humour it portrays!!!
Jackael, you never did answer the question a to which flag you mean? I prefer the Lancashire flag, followed by the Flevoland flag (which was designed in Britain) followed the Hawaiian lag for the subtle humour it portrays!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -31

8:47pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Tim Burr says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
Wow! A score of -40 for what I thought was a pretty mundane comment on, of all things, houses. Sounds like there a lot of people out there who want to stir up a race riot no matter what the subject.
It's one moron with a few 'problems' upstairs. Don't be fooled by the numbers. The bloke is a one man keyboard army.
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: Wow! A score of -40 for what I thought was a pretty mundane comment on, of all things, houses. Sounds like there a lot of people out there who want to stir up a race riot no matter what the subject.[/p][/quote]It's one moron with a few 'problems' upstairs. Don't be fooled by the numbers. The bloke is a one man keyboard army. Tim Burr
  • Score: -46

8:59pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Jackael says...

The Richard the Lionheart flag, with victory embelishments.
The Richard the Lionheart flag, with victory embelishments. Jackael
  • Score: 2

9:01pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich.

What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.
But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.
Go along either Chorley Old or Chorley New Road and you will see a Horwich boundary sign entering Horwich and a Bolton boundary sign entering Bolton.
So does that man that Lostock, Blackrod, Westhoughton, Farnworth are not in Bolton just because they have signs up saying the locality? So does that mean anyone born at the Royal Bolton Hospital are actually non-Boltonians as it is in Farnworth, which is signposted as such?

The Metropolitan Borough of Bolton is named after its largest settlement, Bolton, but covers a far larger area which includes Blackrod, Farnworth, Horwich, Kearsley and Westhoughton, and a suburban and rural element from the West Pennine Moors.
Westhoughton, Blackrod, Horwich, Farnworth, Kearsley are all towns in their own right, they all have their boundary signs but they are administered by Bolton Metropolitan Council.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich. What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.[/p][/quote]But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.[/p][/quote]Go along either Chorley Old or Chorley New Road and you will see a Horwich boundary sign entering Horwich and a Bolton boundary sign entering Bolton.[/p][/quote]So does that man that Lostock, Blackrod, Westhoughton, Farnworth are not in Bolton just because they have signs up saying the locality? So does that mean anyone born at the Royal Bolton Hospital are actually non-Boltonians as it is in Farnworth, which is signposted as such? The Metropolitan Borough of Bolton is named after its largest settlement, Bolton, but covers a far larger area which includes Blackrod, Farnworth, Horwich, Kearsley and Westhoughton, and a suburban and rural element from the West Pennine Moors.[/p][/quote]Westhoughton, Blackrod, Horwich, Farnworth, Kearsley are all towns in their own right, they all have their boundary signs but they are administered by Bolton Metropolitan Council. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 2

9:06pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Jackael says...

Do you crave approval ?

The Disease To Please Test :-

Are you obsessed with what people, including the “Workers and Friends” think about you?
Does your life revolve around getting everyone's approval?
Are you miserable if people, including the “Workers and Friends” disapprove of you?
Do you feel their disapproval or rejection means that you’re not good enough?
Do you work hard at being "good?”
Do you believe you must have love or approval from the significant people in your life?
Are you overly responsible taking on the responsibility of others?
Do you depend on others approval to give you a sense of self-worth?
Do you say "yes" to others to please them although you really want to say "no?"
Do you lack self-confidence in your skills, abilities, and knowledge?
Do you fear rejection or conflict?
Is your best never good enough for you?
Do you suppress your creative talents and expressions?
If you do something that someone doesn't approve of, do you feel very guilty?
Do you crave approval ? The Disease To Please Test :- Are you obsessed with what people, including the “Workers and Friends” think about you? Does your life revolve around getting everyone's approval? Are you miserable if people, including the “Workers and Friends” disapprove of you? Do you feel their disapproval or rejection means that you’re not good enough? Do you work hard at being "good?” Do you believe you must have love or approval from the significant people in your life? Are you overly responsible taking on the responsibility of others? Do you depend on others approval to give you a sense of self-worth? Do you say "yes" to others to please them although you really want to say "no?" Do you lack self-confidence in your skills, abilities, and knowledge? Do you fear rejection or conflict? Is your best never good enough for you? Do you suppress your creative talents and expressions? If you do something that someone doesn't approve of, do you feel very guilty? Jackael
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Jackael wrote:
The Richard the Lionheart flag, with victory embelishments.
He ended up emigrating from the UK and died in France, where he as living at the time, and he is also buried in France!!!!

Plus, although he was born in England, he wasn't very English - He also ruled as Duke of Normandy (as Richard IV), Duke of Aquitaine, Duke of Gascony, Lord of Cyprus, Count of Anjou, Count of Maine, Count of Nantes, and Overlord of Brittany at various times during the same period.
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: The Richard the Lionheart flag, with victory embelishments.[/p][/quote]He ended up emigrating from the UK and died in France, where he as living at the time, and he is also buried in France!!!! Plus, although he was born in England, he wasn't very English - He also ruled as Duke of Normandy (as Richard IV), Duke of Aquitaine, Duke of Gascony, Lord of Cyprus, Count of Anjou, Count of Maine, Count of Nantes, and Overlord of Brittany at various times during the same period. BWFC71
  • Score: -58

9:10pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Jackael wrote:
Do you crave approval ?

The Disease To Please Test :-

Are you obsessed with what people, including the “Workers and Friends” think about you?
Does your life revolve around getting everyone's approval?
Are you miserable if people, including the “Workers and Friends” disapprove of you?
Do you feel their disapproval or rejection means that you’re not good enough?
Do you work hard at being "good?”
Do you believe you must have love or approval from the significant people in your life?
Are you overly responsible taking on the responsibility of others?
Do you depend on others approval to give you a sense of self-worth?
Do you say "yes" to others to please them although you really want to say "no?"
Do you lack self-confidence in your skills, abilities, and knowledge?
Do you fear rejection or conflict?
Is your best never good enough for you?
Do you suppress your creative talents and expressions?
If you do something that someone doesn't approve of, do you feel very guilty?
1. No
2. No
3. No
4, No
5. No
6. No
7. No
8. No
9. No
10. No
11. No
12. Yes - because one must try to better themselves all the time to be a fully rounded and intellectual and successful person!
13. No
14. No
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: Do you crave approval ? The Disease To Please Test :- Are you obsessed with what people, including the “Workers and Friends” think about you? Does your life revolve around getting everyone's approval? Are you miserable if people, including the “Workers and Friends” disapprove of you? Do you feel their disapproval or rejection means that you’re not good enough? Do you work hard at being "good?” Do you believe you must have love or approval from the significant people in your life? Are you overly responsible taking on the responsibility of others? Do you depend on others approval to give you a sense of self-worth? Do you say "yes" to others to please them although you really want to say "no?" Do you lack self-confidence in your skills, abilities, and knowledge? Do you fear rejection or conflict? Is your best never good enough for you? Do you suppress your creative talents and expressions? If you do something that someone doesn't approve of, do you feel very guilty?[/p][/quote]1. No 2. No 3. No 4, No 5. No 6. No 7. No 8. No 9. No 10. No 11. No 12. Yes - because one must try to better themselves all the time to be a fully rounded and intellectual and successful person! 13. No 14. No BWFC71
  • Score: -55

9:14pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich.

What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.
But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.
Go along either Chorley Old or Chorley New Road and you will see a Horwich boundary sign entering Horwich and a Bolton boundary sign entering Bolton.
So does that man that Lostock, Blackrod, Westhoughton, Farnworth are not in Bolton just because they have signs up saying the locality? So does that mean anyone born at the Royal Bolton Hospital are actually non-Boltonians as it is in Farnworth, which is signposted as such?

The Metropolitan Borough of Bolton is named after its largest settlement, Bolton, but covers a far larger area which includes Blackrod, Farnworth, Horwich, Kearsley and Westhoughton, and a suburban and rural element from the West Pennine Moors.
Westhoughton, Blackrod, Horwich, Farnworth, Kearsley are all towns in their own right, they all have their boundary signs but they are administered by Bolton Metropolitan Council.
There are no Kearsley signs anymore - they have disappeared over the last 7 years I wasn't living in the country! Even Kearsley Town Hall has been knocked down and being rebuilt as apartment.

They are no longer towns in their own right due to the fact that Bolton Council governs what happens in these areas - they still let them have the local "councils" but they have no power.

And to be fair Bolton Council no longer controls what happens with the road infrastructure as that is now governed by TfGM, along with ALL street furniture!
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich. What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.[/p][/quote]But Horwich is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, and any houses being built or whatever has to be agreed by the committee at Bolton Council and not Horwich council.[/p][/quote]Go along either Chorley Old or Chorley New Road and you will see a Horwich boundary sign entering Horwich and a Bolton boundary sign entering Bolton.[/p][/quote]So does that man that Lostock, Blackrod, Westhoughton, Farnworth are not in Bolton just because they have signs up saying the locality? So does that mean anyone born at the Royal Bolton Hospital are actually non-Boltonians as it is in Farnworth, which is signposted as such? The Metropolitan Borough of Bolton is named after its largest settlement, Bolton, but covers a far larger area which includes Blackrod, Farnworth, Horwich, Kearsley and Westhoughton, and a suburban and rural element from the West Pennine Moors.[/p][/quote]Westhoughton, Blackrod, Horwich, Farnworth, Kearsley are all towns in their own right, they all have their boundary signs but they are administered by Bolton Metropolitan Council.[/p][/quote]There are no Kearsley signs anymore - they have disappeared over the last 7 years I wasn't living in the country! Even Kearsley Town Hall has been knocked down and being rebuilt as apartment. They are no longer towns in their own right due to the fact that Bolton Council governs what happens in these areas - they still let them have the local "councils" but they have no power. And to be fair Bolton Council no longer controls what happens with the road infrastructure as that is now governed by TfGM, along with ALL street furniture! BWFC71
  • Score: -61

9:14pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Freddies Assistant says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)
Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)[/p][/quote]Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road. Freddies Assistant
  • Score: 6

9:20pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Freddies Assistant wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)
Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.
That is definitely Halliwell/Gilnow and not Heaton, as Heaton starts after Bolton School!

Even on the Council website - http://maps.bolton.g
ov.uk/residents/mybo
lton.aspx - it shows Park Road as being in the Halliwell ward!
[quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)[/p][/quote]Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.[/p][/quote]That is definitely Halliwell/Gilnow and not Heaton, as Heaton starts after Bolton School! Even on the Council website - http://maps.bolton.g ov.uk/residents/mybo lton.aspx - it shows Park Road as being in the Halliwell ward! BWFC71
  • Score: -52

11:12pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Freddies Assistant says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)
Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.
That is definitely Halliwell/Gilnow and not Heaton, as Heaton starts after Bolton School!

Even on the Council website - http://maps.bolton.g

ov.uk/residents/mybo

lton.aspx - it shows Park Road as being in the Halliwell ward!
I've lived here 12 years. It would be a bit odd if I didn't know where I lived wouldn't it? We ARE in the Halliwell Ward when it comes to councillor jurisdiction. You are right there.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)[/p][/quote]Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.[/p][/quote]That is definitely Halliwell/Gilnow and not Heaton, as Heaton starts after Bolton School! Even on the Council website - http://maps.bolton.g ov.uk/residents/mybo lton.aspx - it shows Park Road as being in the Halliwell ward![/p][/quote]I've lived here 12 years. It would be a bit odd if I didn't know where I lived wouldn't it? We ARE in the Halliwell Ward when it comes to councillor jurisdiction. You are right there. Freddies Assistant
  • Score: -1

11:21pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Freddies Assistant says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)
Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.
That is definitely Halliwell/Gilnow and not Heaton, as Heaton starts after Bolton School!

Even on the Council website - http://maps.bolton.g

ov.uk/residents/mybo

lton.aspx - it shows Park Road as being in the Halliwell ward!
http://www.zoopla.co
.uk/for-sale/details
/29131281 heres a property for sale on my road. In Halliwell - oh sorry, Heaton.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)[/p][/quote]Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.[/p][/quote]That is definitely Halliwell/Gilnow and not Heaton, as Heaton starts after Bolton School! Even on the Council website - http://maps.bolton.g ov.uk/residents/mybo lton.aspx - it shows Park Road as being in the Halliwell ward![/p][/quote]http://www.zoopla.co .uk/for-sale/details /29131281 heres a property for sale on my road. In Halliwell - oh sorry, Heaton. Freddies Assistant
  • Score: 0

11:35pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Freddies Assistant wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)
Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.
That is definitely Halliwell/Gilnow and not Heaton, as Heaton starts after Bolton School!

Even on the Council website - http://maps.bolton.g


ov.uk/residents/mybo


lton.aspx - it shows Park Road as being in the Halliwell ward!
I've lived here 12 years. It would be a bit odd if I didn't know where I lived wouldn't it? We ARE in the Halliwell Ward when it comes to councillor jurisdiction. You are right there.
Therefore it is Halliwell and as such no doubt. I lived in Bradley Fold for a few years and whilst there we were Bolton then Bury - had 2 different phone numbers (one was 0204/01204 and the other being 0161) and 3 completely different postcodes. But it was still Bradley Fold!!!
[quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is actualy Halliwell as it is on the Bolton side of Morrnington Road boundary between Halliwell and Heaton. (or to be more micro-correct it is in Gilnow)[/p][/quote]Well I live in Heaton, as advised by Bolton Council, at the top end of Park Road.[/p][/quote]That is definitely Halliwell/Gilnow and not Heaton, as Heaton starts after Bolton School! Even on the Council website - http://maps.bolton.g ov.uk/residents/mybo lton.aspx - it shows Park Road as being in the Halliwell ward![/p][/quote]I've lived here 12 years. It would be a bit odd if I didn't know where I lived wouldn't it? We ARE in the Halliwell Ward when it comes to councillor jurisdiction. You are right there.[/p][/quote]Therefore it is Halliwell and as such no doubt. I lived in Bradley Fold for a few years and whilst there we were Bolton then Bury - had 2 different phone numbers (one was 0204/01204 and the other being 0161) and 3 completely different postcodes. But it was still Bradley Fold!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -40

12:20am Mon 24 Feb 14

Toybox says...

I've worked for BT for 23 years and have never read such utter claptrap. The exchange doesn't change your number based on boundary changes and back again.
Fair enough Bradley Fold is an odd one having Bolton telephone numbers, postal addresses but votes under Bury South. Freddies Assistant may fall under Halliwell electorally but that doesn't mean Park Road is in Halliwell, in much the same way is Bradley Fold really Bury? Neither can I find a map old or current that shows Park Road as being in Halliwell, the nearest area to Park Road, HEATON is VICTORY followed by BROWNLOW FOLD.
I've worked for BT for 23 years and have never read such utter claptrap. The exchange doesn't change your number based on boundary changes and back again. Fair enough Bradley Fold is an odd one having Bolton telephone numbers, postal addresses but votes under Bury South. Freddies Assistant may fall under Halliwell electorally but that doesn't mean Park Road is in Halliwell, in much the same way is Bradley Fold really Bury? Neither can I find a map old or current that shows Park Road as being in Halliwell, the nearest area to Park Road, HEATON is VICTORY followed by BROWNLOW FOLD. Toybox
  • Score: 6

7:09am Mon 24 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Well in Bradley Fold we went from 0204 to 01204 the on to 0161 - and that is in only 12 years of being there!!!! And that is a fact

As regards to Halliwell or Heaton - do you not think that estate agents will put the street in Heaton to make it sound better and to get a better price - the more that do it the more the lie becomes a truth!!!!

Halliwell stretches from Queens Park to just south of Ivy Road on the one side to the bottom of the valley that stetches from Barrow Bridge, Smithills, Temple Road with Astley Brook being the boundary with Astley Bridge to Folds Road where it then becomes Tonge..
Well in Bradley Fold we went from 0204 to 01204 the on to 0161 - and that is in only 12 years of being there!!!! And that is a fact As regards to Halliwell or Heaton - do you not think that estate agents will put the street in Heaton to make it sound better and to get a better price - the more that do it the more the lie becomes a truth!!!! Halliwell stretches from Queens Park to just south of Ivy Road on the one side to the bottom of the valley that stetches from Barrow Bridge, Smithills, Temple Road with Astley Brook being the boundary with Astley Bridge to Folds Road where it then becomes Tonge.. BWFC71
  • Score: -21

7:50am Mon 24 Feb 14

Freddies Assistant says...

Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter! Freddies Assistant
  • Score: 5

8:23am Mon 24 Feb 14

Julian Thorpe says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.
Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich.

What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.
These have been corrected. Sorry about that.
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Westgate Avenue is in Heaton.[/p][/quote]Here is another, Winter Hey Lane is in Horwich. What sort of reporters do BN employ, their knowledge of the area is questionable.[/p][/quote]These have been corrected. Sorry about that. Julian Thorpe
  • Score: -3

10:29am Mon 24 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

Dear Jackeal

King Richard was FRENCH,
St George was TURKISH,
The Duke of Edinburgh is a GREEK.
The Queen is HALF GERMAN,
Winston Churchill was HALF AMERICAN.

David Cameron is the grown up version of Harry Enfields character TORYBOY.
Dear Jackeal King Richard was FRENCH, St George was TURKISH, The Duke of Edinburgh is a GREEK. The Queen is HALF GERMAN, Winston Churchill was HALF AMERICAN. David Cameron is the grown up version of Harry Enfields character TORYBOY. Jim271
  • Score: -15

10:45am Mon 24 Feb 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..
Thomas, I'm aware of your Mastermind rejection in favour of somebody who's ancestors were Irish but we won't use that as an excuse for your blatant racism,no matter who much you'll deny it - or blame it on others. Fact is, the only people who were prepared to buy property such as this were and are speculative landlords whom without no doubt the area would have become an even bigger shambles. It may have passed your notice, (maybe due to the blinkers many donkeys and cart horses wear.) The last few years has seen 'apartment' living on the rise - coming in usually below the price of a terrace with the attraction of being new, modern in design, energy efficient with very little maintenance. All appealing for today's young aspiring citizens and a few older ones. I realise, in your bedsit with thankfully for you, internet access, you sit dreaming, imagining the ills of the world are never your fault - how could they be? So lets find somebody else to blame little Tom Thumb. How about - I know - immigrants, they're a pretty easy target for you from behind the door latch. Go on Tom, give us a clue - to whom will you turn your venom on next, what's your next little tiresome rant going to be, integration or have we had that one? One last thing Tom - don't believe what you read, most of these terraces have benefited from European money for insulation and other 'green' treats, as have no doubt you too but didn't know it.
When will you get it through your head Immigration is not a Race its a collective of people from different parts of the world. Thats why the word is now old hat because its been used to much by loonies.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..[/p][/quote]Thomas, I'm aware of your Mastermind rejection in favour of somebody who's ancestors were Irish but we won't use that as an excuse for your blatant racism,no matter who much you'll deny it - or blame it on others. Fact is, the only people who were prepared to buy property such as this were and are speculative landlords whom without no doubt the area would have become an even bigger shambles. It may have passed your notice, (maybe due to the blinkers many donkeys and cart horses wear.) The last few years has seen 'apartment' living on the rise - coming in usually below the price of a terrace with the attraction of being new, modern in design, energy efficient with very little maintenance. All appealing for today's young aspiring citizens and a few older ones. I realise, in your bedsit with thankfully for you, internet access, you sit dreaming, imagining the ills of the world are never your fault - how could they be? So lets find somebody else to blame little Tom Thumb. How about - I know - immigrants, they're a pretty easy target for you from behind the door latch. Go on Tom, give us a clue - to whom will you turn your venom on next, what's your next little tiresome rant going to be, integration or have we had that one? One last thing Tom - don't believe what you read, most of these terraces have benefited from European money for insulation and other 'green' treats, as have no doubt you too but didn't know it.[/p][/quote]When will you get it through your head Immigration is not a Race its a collective of people from different parts of the world. Thats why the word is now old hat because its been used to much by loonies. thomas222
  • Score: 22

12:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..
Thomas, I'm aware of your Mastermind rejection in favour of somebody who's ancestors were Irish but we won't use that as an excuse for your blatant racism,no matter who much you'll deny it - or blame it on others. Fact is, the only people who were prepared to buy property such as this were and are speculative landlords whom without no doubt the area would have become an even bigger shambles. It may have passed your notice, (maybe due to the blinkers many donkeys and cart horses wear.) The last few years has seen 'apartment' living on the rise - coming in usually below the price of a terrace with the attraction of being new, modern in design, energy efficient with very little maintenance. All appealing for today's young aspiring citizens and a few older ones. I realise, in your bedsit with thankfully for you, internet access, you sit dreaming, imagining the ills of the world are never your fault - how could they be? So lets find somebody else to blame little Tom Thumb. How about - I know - immigrants, they're a pretty easy target for you from behind the door latch. Go on Tom, give us a clue - to whom will you turn your venom on next, what's your next little tiresome rant going to be, integration or have we had that one? One last thing Tom - don't believe what you read, most of these terraces have benefited from European money for insulation and other 'green' treats, as have no doubt you too but didn't know it.
When will you get it through your head Immigration is not a Race its a collective of people from different parts of the world. Thats why the word is now old hat because its been used to much by loonies.
But it is a collective tool that you use to describe someone who is neither white nor speaks English (and that includes the Welsh!!!) - even though you don't seem realise that Americans, Canadians, New Zealanders, Australians are also immigrants in this country!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Oh Dear no they said, uncontrolled immigration & placing them in designated Towns who apply to take them for £££ will not devalue your property or effect your services like schools & Hospitals. Thanks Bolton Council & the Labour Party..[/p][/quote]Thomas, I'm aware of your Mastermind rejection in favour of somebody who's ancestors were Irish but we won't use that as an excuse for your blatant racism,no matter who much you'll deny it - or blame it on others. Fact is, the only people who were prepared to buy property such as this were and are speculative landlords whom without no doubt the area would have become an even bigger shambles. It may have passed your notice, (maybe due to the blinkers many donkeys and cart horses wear.) The last few years has seen 'apartment' living on the rise - coming in usually below the price of a terrace with the attraction of being new, modern in design, energy efficient with very little maintenance. All appealing for today's young aspiring citizens and a few older ones. I realise, in your bedsit with thankfully for you, internet access, you sit dreaming, imagining the ills of the world are never your fault - how could they be? So lets find somebody else to blame little Tom Thumb. How about - I know - immigrants, they're a pretty easy target for you from behind the door latch. Go on Tom, give us a clue - to whom will you turn your venom on next, what's your next little tiresome rant going to be, integration or have we had that one? One last thing Tom - don't believe what you read, most of these terraces have benefited from European money for insulation and other 'green' treats, as have no doubt you too but didn't know it.[/p][/quote]When will you get it through your head Immigration is not a Race its a collective of people from different parts of the world. Thats why the word is now old hat because its been used to much by loonies.[/p][/quote]But it is a collective tool that you use to describe someone who is neither white nor speaks English (and that includes the Welsh!!!) - even though you don't seem realise that Americans, Canadians, New Zealanders, Australians are also immigrants in this country!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -13

12:36pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Freddies Assistant wrote:
Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county.

You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire

Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.
[quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter![/p][/quote]Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 5

12:47pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Freddies Assistant says...

Thanks Phil from Smithills, I was just making a point about boundaries getting blurred and the reasons why.
Thanks Phil from Smithills, I was just making a point about boundaries getting blurred and the reasons why. Freddies Assistant
  • Score: -1

1:26pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county.

You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire

Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.
But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire

Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire!
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter![/p][/quote]Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.[/p][/quote]But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire! The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

1:28pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

Apolocgies pressed enter a bit too soon

Lancashire was set up solely as adaminitration for the tonws etc of both side of the Ribble! Yes even Lancashire its just an administrative division, even all those years ago!
Apolocgies pressed enter a bit too soon Lancashire was set up solely as adaminitration for the tonws etc of both side of the Ribble! Yes even Lancashire its just an administrative division, even all those years ago! The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

1:33pm Mon 24 Feb 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.
But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire!
Dont feel like it thats for sure.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter![/p][/quote]Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.[/p][/quote]But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire![/p][/quote]Dont feel like it thats for sure. thomas222
  • Score: 23

5:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county.

You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire

Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.
But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire

Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire!
In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168.

It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine.

The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter![/p][/quote]Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.[/p][/quote]But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire![/p][/quote]In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168. It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine. The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 5

7:10pm Mon 24 Feb 14

wsw69 says...

Pmsl - After reading all comments, laughing so much at the usual pedantic feckers, not to mention the number of negative votes, by the time I'd landed at the last comment I had totally forgotten what this all started about.

Regardless of where one lives in Bolton, this town and it's inhabitants have got two mahoosive issues - we have a complete useless pr 1ck of an excuse for a leader, and a wider set of utter thick pr 1cks as his sidekicks.
Pmsl - After reading all comments, laughing so much at the usual pedantic feckers, not to mention the number of negative votes, by the time I'd landed at the last comment I had totally forgotten what this all started about. Regardless of where one lives in Bolton, this town and it's inhabitants have got two mahoosive issues - we have a complete useless pr 1ck of an excuse for a leader, and a wider set of utter thick pr 1cks as his sidekicks. wsw69
  • Score: 20

7:13pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county.

You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire

Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.
But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire

Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire!
In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168.

It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine.

The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.
But the County Palatine was/is an administrative area, just like Greater Manchester. It took land away from current "shires" to create a new "shire" just as much as Merseyside and Greater Manchester did from Lancashire and Cheshire!!!

Therefore it is history repeating itself and, as I say, if you want real historic ownerships we are part of Cheshire and not Lancashire or County Palatine of Lancashire!!!
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter![/p][/quote]Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.[/p][/quote]But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire![/p][/quote]In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168. It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine. The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.[/p][/quote]But the County Palatine was/is an administrative area, just like Greater Manchester. It took land away from current "shires" to create a new "shire" just as much as Merseyside and Greater Manchester did from Lancashire and Cheshire!!! Therefore it is history repeating itself and, as I say, if you want real historic ownerships we are part of Cheshire and not Lancashire or County Palatine of Lancashire!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -52

7:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Freddies Assistant says...

If facing defeat, resort to Wikipedia, eh? Unlike others, that hold a well earned Social and Economic History degree. Ah, that would be, er, me.
If facing defeat, resort to Wikipedia, eh? Unlike others, that hold a well earned Social and Economic History degree. Ah, that would be, er, me. Freddies Assistant
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

George X says...

Freddies Assistant wrote:
If facing defeat, resort to Wikipedia, eh? Unlike others, that hold a well earned Social and Economic History degree. Ah, that would be, er, me.
You'll find he does that a lot, that's how he tries to win arguments by bludgeoning you to death with wiki facts.
And then he logs in with another account and agrres with himself...i'm not making it up he really does.. haha.
[quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: If facing defeat, resort to Wikipedia, eh? Unlike others, that hold a well earned Social and Economic History degree. Ah, that would be, er, me.[/p][/quote]You'll find he does that a lot, that's how he tries to win arguments by bludgeoning you to death with wiki facts. And then he logs in with another account and agrres with himself...i'm not making it up he really does.. haha. George X
  • Score: 1

9:59pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county.

You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire

Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.
But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire

Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire!
In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168.

It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine.

The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.
But the County Palatine was/is an administrative area, just like Greater Manchester. It took land away from current "shires" to create a new "shire" just as much as Merseyside and Greater Manchester did from Lancashire and Cheshire!!!

Therefore it is history repeating itself and, as I say, if you want real historic ownerships we are part of Cheshire and not Lancashire or County Palatine of Lancashire!!!
Bolton has been and still.is situated in the County Palatine since 1100.

Most of Gtr Man., is in the Counth Palatine (Lancashie).

As I said to Freddie from Stockport Cheshire, be proud of your county. I am certainly proud of belonging to Lacashire.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter![/p][/quote]Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.[/p][/quote]But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire![/p][/quote]In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168. It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine. The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.[/p][/quote]But the County Palatine was/is an administrative area, just like Greater Manchester. It took land away from current "shires" to create a new "shire" just as much as Merseyside and Greater Manchester did from Lancashire and Cheshire!!! Therefore it is history repeating itself and, as I say, if you want real historic ownerships we are part of Cheshire and not Lancashire or County Palatine of Lancashire!!![/p][/quote]Bolton has been and still.is situated in the County Palatine since 1100. Most of Gtr Man., is in the Counth Palatine (Lancashie). As I said to Freddie from Stockport Cheshire, be proud of your county. I am certainly proud of belonging to Lacashire. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 3

10:02pm Mon 24 Feb 14

wsw69 says...

What a saga this has turned out to be lol.
What a saga this has turned out to be lol. wsw69
  • Score: 4

10:09pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county.

You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire

Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.
But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire

Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire!
In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168.

It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine.

The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.
But the County Palatine was/is an administrative area, just like Greater Manchester. It took land away from current "shires" to create a new "shire" just as much as Merseyside and Greater Manchester did from Lancashire and Cheshire!!!

Therefore it is history repeating itself and, as I say, if you want real historic ownerships we are part of Cheshire and not Lancashire or County Palatine of Lancashire!!!
Bolton has been and still.is situated in the County Palatine since 1100.

Most of Gtr Man., is in the Counth Palatine (Lancashie).

As I said to Freddie from Stockport Cheshire, be proud of your county. I am certainly proud of belonging to Lacashire.
And before then????

Therefore historcally we are part of Cheshire (which pre-dates the Roman era) so that mean 900 years of Lancashire (which was created as an administrative "shire" - very akin to present day Greater Manchester and Merseyside) or 1100+ years of Cheshire - so yep History wins we are part of Cheshire!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter![/p][/quote]Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.[/p][/quote]But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire![/p][/quote]In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168. It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine. The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.[/p][/quote]But the County Palatine was/is an administrative area, just like Greater Manchester. It took land away from current "shires" to create a new "shire" just as much as Merseyside and Greater Manchester did from Lancashire and Cheshire!!! Therefore it is history repeating itself and, as I say, if you want real historic ownerships we are part of Cheshire and not Lancashire or County Palatine of Lancashire!!![/p][/quote]Bolton has been and still.is situated in the County Palatine since 1100. Most of Gtr Man., is in the Counth Palatine (Lancashie). As I said to Freddie from Stockport Cheshire, be proud of your county. I am certainly proud of belonging to Lacashire.[/p][/quote]And before then???? Therefore historcally we are part of Cheshire (which pre-dates the Roman era) so that mean 900 years of Lancashire (which was created as an administrative "shire" - very akin to present day Greater Manchester and Merseyside) or 1100+ years of Cheshire - so yep History wins we are part of Cheshire!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -19

10:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Freddies Assistant wrote:
If facing defeat, resort to Wikipedia, eh? Unlike others, that hold a well earned Social and Economic History degree. Ah, that would be, er, me.
Wikipedia - nope!

1st class degree in Cold War History, Local History and European Despot History from Manchester Metropolitan University - class of 1996 (as well as a highly regarded dissertation on Local History of Cheshire). As well as a 2.2 in Human Geography with Environmental Sciences, as well as studying 3 years for a BEd

So there is no need of Wikipedia, but good understanding of local history!

And as for Halliwell - all you need to do is look it up on any decent search engine and you will find your answers - plus I also have publications done by the Local History unit of Bolton Libraries (when I was studying my degree!!!) showing how Bolton grew from virtually nothing to what it is today along with the various areas of the town!!!
[quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: If facing defeat, resort to Wikipedia, eh? Unlike others, that hold a well earned Social and Economic History degree. Ah, that would be, er, me.[/p][/quote]Wikipedia - nope! 1st class degree in Cold War History, Local History and European Despot History from Manchester Metropolitan University - class of 1996 (as well as a highly regarded dissertation on Local History of Cheshire). As well as a 2.2 in Human Geography with Environmental Sciences, as well as studying 3 years for a BEd So there is no need of Wikipedia, but good understanding of local history! And as for Halliwell - all you need to do is look it up on any decent search engine and you will find your answers - plus I also have publications done by the Local History unit of Bolton Libraries (when I was studying my degree!!!) showing how Bolton grew from virtually nothing to what it is today along with the various areas of the town!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -54

10:21pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
If facing defeat, resort to Wikipedia, eh? Unlike others, that hold a well earned Social and Economic History degree. Ah, that would be, er, me.
You'll find he does that a lot, that's how he tries to win arguments by bludgeoning you to death with wiki facts.
And then he logs in with another account and agrres with himself...i'm not making it up he really does.. haha.
Throwing your dummy out of your pram again, because you have no idea as t what is being discussed and as such all you can do is throw insults!!!

As I sate I do not use Wikipedia but more accurate literature, and unlike you, Phil from Smithills and Freddies Assistant, on the whole, give good decent arguments for what they know and debate well. And to be fair to them I do enjoy debating this issue with them, although we may never agree!!!

And as you know I have 2 accounts - TRO (whilst on one PC which cannot use a FB login due to Websense application) and this one (which automatically logs in via FB which does not have a Websense application) - but there again your grasp of logins does leave a lot to be desired!!!
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: If facing defeat, resort to Wikipedia, eh? Unlike others, that hold a well earned Social and Economic History degree. Ah, that would be, er, me.[/p][/quote]You'll find he does that a lot, that's how he tries to win arguments by bludgeoning you to death with wiki facts. And then he logs in with another account and agrres with himself...i'm not making it up he really does.. haha.[/p][/quote]Throwing your dummy out of your pram again, because you have no idea as t what is being discussed and as such all you can do is throw insults!!! As I sate I do not use Wikipedia but more accurate literature, and unlike you, Phil from Smithills and Freddies Assistant, on the whole, give good decent arguments for what they know and debate well. And to be fair to them I do enjoy debating this issue with them, although we may never agree!!! And as you know I have 2 accounts - TRO (whilst on one PC which cannot use a FB login due to Websense application) and this one (which automatically logs in via FB which does not have a Websense application) - but there again your grasp of logins does leave a lot to be desired!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -53

10:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

George X says...

Who's TRO ? i thought your other username was "maplins Holiday Camp" is that not you ? nevertheless thers's no need to have two anyway.
Personlly i'd ban you but Julian does'nt want to know, god knows i've tried though ...
Who's TRO ? i thought your other username was "maplins Holiday Camp" is that not you ? nevertheless thers's no need to have two anyway. Personlly i'd ban you but Julian does'nt want to know, god knows i've tried though ... George X
  • Score: -1

11:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

See you haven't got a cle.

Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username.

And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!!

And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why.

But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!!

Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)
See you haven't got a cle. Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username. And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!! And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why. But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!! Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash) BWFC71
  • Score: -48

4:26pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
Freddies Assistant wrote:
Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter!
Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county.

You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire

Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.
But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire

Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire!
In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168.

It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine.

The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.
But the County Palatine was/is an administrative area, just like Greater Manchester. It took land away from current "shires" to create a new "shire" just as much as Merseyside and Greater Manchester did from Lancashire and Cheshire!!!

Therefore it is history repeating itself and, as I say, if you want real historic ownerships we are part of Cheshire and not Lancashire or County Palatine of Lancashire!!!
Bolton has been and still.is situated in the County Palatine since 1100.

Most of Gtr Man., is in the Counth Palatine (Lancashie).

As I said to Freddie from Stockport Cheshire, be proud of your county. I am certainly proud of belonging to Lacashire.
And before then????

Therefore historcally we are part of Cheshire (which pre-dates the Roman era) so that mean 900 years of Lancashire (which was created as an administrative "shire" - very akin to present day Greater Manchester and Merseyside) or 1100+ years of Cheshire - so yep History wins we are part of Cheshire!!!!
Well done on your academia, I speak from age, which brings wisdom and knowledge (hopefully).

The reason I refer to the 'traditional' county of Lancashire, is simply to define it from its administrative part of the county run by Lancashire County Council.

Our county has been administered in many ways over the years, some parts by the county council and others by county boroughs etc,etc., but its traditional borders have remained the same pre 1974 and post 1974.

The 1974 Local Government Reorganisation Act simply reorganised the administration of the county by introducing administrative counties within the traditional borders, it is for that reason I refer to it as the traditional county of Lancashire.

When the act was being introduced in Parliament, ministers reassured its Members that the Act does NOT alter the traditional borders of the counties.

Mind you, if we could say we are Cheshire, my house would certainly increase in value.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Thanks ToyBox. A lot of people don't realise that electoral and postal districts, aren't actual boundaries, and quite often differ from each other (postal districts are the worst - people believe its true if the post office changes addresses to suit their delivery routes). As I don't come from Bolton, when I bought my house, I had to go into a lot of enquiries to find out where I actually lived. It is categorically Heaton and my mail comes with Heaton written on it, even my council tax bill. A case in point is Stockport. I was born in Stockort Cheshire, but it was changed to Greater Manchester by Royal Mail. However, its still in Cheshire, unless you want to post a letter![/p][/quote]Stockport is still in the traditional county of Cheshire, just as Bolton is in the traditional county of Lancashire. My former work mates, who were also from Stockport always said its Stockport, Cheshire., take pride in your county. You mentioned the post office, look at the receipts from them and its addressed Bolton Lancashire Gtr Man., was introduced as an administrative county in 1974, and was solely for the administration of the towns of south Lancashire and north Cheshire.[/p][/quote]But look further back and Bolton is actually part of traditional Cheshire county - as were all towns, cities, hamlets, villages that are on the south side of the River Ribble!!! Whilst on the north side of the River Ribble it was Yorkshire Therefore, by your reasoning, we are actually in Cheshire![/p][/quote]In the County Palatine readings, its states that that there is evidence, that the boundaries of the County ( Lancashire) were settled about 1100 AD. and that reference of the county (Lancashire ) in 1168. It also states that Legislation enacted for the creation of the administrative counties did not effect the geographical boundaries of the County Palatine. The present situation is, that we belong to the traditional county of Lancashire which is the County Palatine.[/p][/quote]But the County Palatine was/is an administrative area, just like Greater Manchester. It took land away from current "shires" to create a new "shire" just as much as Merseyside and Greater Manchester did from Lancashire and Cheshire!!! Therefore it is history repeating itself and, as I say, if you want real historic ownerships we are part of Cheshire and not Lancashire or County Palatine of Lancashire!!![/p][/quote]Bolton has been and still.is situated in the County Palatine since 1100. Most of Gtr Man., is in the Counth Palatine (Lancashie). As I said to Freddie from Stockport Cheshire, be proud of your county. I am certainly proud of belonging to Lacashire.[/p][/quote]And before then???? Therefore historcally we are part of Cheshire (which pre-dates the Roman era) so that mean 900 years of Lancashire (which was created as an administrative "shire" - very akin to present day Greater Manchester and Merseyside) or 1100+ years of Cheshire - so yep History wins we are part of Cheshire!!!![/p][/quote]Well done on your academia, I speak from age, which brings wisdom and knowledge (hopefully). The reason I refer to the 'traditional' county of Lancashire, is simply to define it from its administrative part of the county run by Lancashire County Council. Our county has been administered in many ways over the years, some parts by the county council and others by county boroughs etc,etc., but its traditional borders have remained the same pre 1974 and post 1974. The 1974 Local Government Reorganisation Act simply reorganised the administration of the county by introducing administrative counties within the traditional borders, it is for that reason I refer to it as the traditional county of Lancashire. When the act was being introduced in Parliament, ministers reassured its Members that the Act does NOT alter the traditional borders of the counties. Mind you, if we could say we are Cheshire, my house would certainly increase in value. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: -8

6:14pm Tue 25 Feb 14

bwfc58 says...

It sounds like BWFC71 is a Manchester Lad but he supports BWFC so I say you believe what you want Greater Manchester yes just for you but for the rest of us Bolton Lancashire and always will be FACT Oh and by the way BWFC71 or should I say MUFC71 or MCFC71 that name would really suit you better please do not come on here here with your comments any more as know one likes you as you talk a load of drivel and yes Stockport is still part of Cheshire and Like i once said before Greater Manchester well by name only because that is all it is only Benefits Manchester and Salford so I think BWFC71 why not start going and airing your views on Manchester evening news because you will more at home on that paper
It sounds like BWFC71 is a Manchester Lad but he supports BWFC so I say you believe what you want Greater Manchester yes just for you but for the rest of us Bolton Lancashire and always will be FACT Oh and by the way BWFC71 or should I say MUFC71 or MCFC71 that name would really suit you better please do not come on here here with your comments any more as know one likes you as you talk a load of drivel and yes Stockport is still part of Cheshire and Like i once said before Greater Manchester well by name only because that is all it is only Benefits Manchester and Salford so I think BWFC71 why not start going and airing your views on Manchester evening news because you will more at home on that paper bwfc58
  • Score: 8

6:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
See you haven't got a cle.

Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username.

And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!!

And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why.

But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!!

Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)
At least i don't need two usernames to win an argument , anyway who is Big Ern ? i thoughht he was one of yours ? is that not true ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: See you haven't got a cle. Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username. And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!! And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why. But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!! Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)[/p][/quote]At least i don't need two usernames to win an argument , anyway who is Big Ern ? i thoughht he was one of yours ? is that not true ? George X
  • Score: 0

7:31pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Freddies Assistant says...

Well that caused a furore didn't it? I think, after 12 years of living here, I know where I live. Unfortunately, many of our boundaries are merging into each other, and its now hard to tell! Only the person living there is interested enough to find out for absolute surety. There are also those lovely Bolton residents amongst us, who argue that you are wrong, so much so, that they actually believe ther argument themselves.
Well that caused a furore didn't it? I think, after 12 years of living here, I know where I live. Unfortunately, many of our boundaries are merging into each other, and its now hard to tell! Only the person living there is interested enough to find out for absolute surety. There are also those lovely Bolton residents amongst us, who argue that you are wrong, so much so, that they actually believe ther argument themselves. Freddies Assistant
  • Score: -1

8:51pm Tue 25 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Freddies Assistant wrote:
Well that caused a furore didn't it? I think, after 12 years of living here, I know where I live. Unfortunately, many of our boundaries are merging into each other, and its now hard to tell! Only the person living there is interested enough to find out for absolute surety. There are also those lovely Bolton residents amongst us, who argue that you are wrong, so much so, that they actually believe ther argument themselves.
At least I have the publications to back up what I say!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Freddies Assistant[/bold] wrote: Well that caused a furore didn't it? I think, after 12 years of living here, I know where I live. Unfortunately, many of our boundaries are merging into each other, and its now hard to tell! Only the person living there is interested enough to find out for absolute surety. There are also those lovely Bolton residents amongst us, who argue that you are wrong, so much so, that they actually believe ther argument themselves.[/p][/quote]At least I have the publications to back up what I say!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -69

8:57pm Tue 25 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
See you haven't got a cle.

Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username.

And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!!

And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why.

But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!!

Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)
At least i don't need two usernames to win an argument , anyway who is Big Ern ? i thoughht he was one of yours ? is that not true ?
I don't use 2 usernames to back myself up!!!!

As I say one username is whilst at work (on breaks or lunch) whilst the other is for non-work and neither back each other up - I have NEVER replied to one of my posts with the other username - if you don't believe look at all the posts both usernames have ever done!

As for Big Ern - definitely not me. But goes to show that my way of thinking is definitely more popular than yours!!!

As I keep repeating myself, up to the point of boredom, because you are so thick, I only have 2 usernames (1 whilst at work, TRO, on breaks and lunchtime because web-sense blocks FB and have to use an email to log in and 1 at home, BWFC71, which automatically logs in with my FB profile!). Again your lack of IT knowledge is just pathetic!!!!
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: See you haven't got a cle. Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username. And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!! And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why. But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!! Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)[/p][/quote]At least i don't need two usernames to win an argument , anyway who is Big Ern ? i thoughht he was one of yours ? is that not true ?[/p][/quote]I don't use 2 usernames to back myself up!!!! As I say one username is whilst at work (on breaks or lunch) whilst the other is for non-work and neither back each other up - I have NEVER replied to one of my posts with the other username - if you don't believe look at all the posts both usernames have ever done! As for Big Ern - definitely not me. But goes to show that my way of thinking is definitely more popular than yours!!! As I keep repeating myself, up to the point of boredom, because you are so thick, I only have 2 usernames (1 whilst at work, TRO, on breaks and lunchtime because web-sense blocks FB and have to use an email to log in and 1 at home, BWFC71, which automatically logs in with my FB profile!). Again your lack of IT knowledge is just pathetic!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -69

9:37pm Tue 25 Feb 14

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
See you haven't got a cle.

Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username.

And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!!

And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why.

But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!!

Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)
At least i don't need two usernames to win an argument , anyway who is Big Ern ? i thoughht he was one of yours ? is that not true ?
I don't use 2 usernames to back myself up!!!!

As I say one username is whilst at work (on breaks or lunch) whilst the other is for non-work and neither back each other up - I have NEVER replied to one of my posts with the other username - if you don't believe look at all the posts both usernames have ever done!

As for Big Ern - definitely not me. But goes to show that my way of thinking is definitely more popular than yours!!!

As I keep repeating myself, up to the point of boredom, because you are so thick, I only have 2 usernames (1 whilst at work, TRO, on breaks and lunchtime because web-sense blocks FB and have to use an email to log in and 1 at home, BWFC71, which automatically logs in with my FB profile!). Again your lack of IT knowledge is just pathetic!!!!
So you think i'm pathetic, which is fair enough your'e entitled to your opinion but can you tell me at one point were you using " Eric Draven " as a username or was that someone else.
I know it's a bit pathetic but humour me ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: See you haven't got a cle. Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username. And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!! And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why. But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!! Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)[/p][/quote]At least i don't need two usernames to win an argument , anyway who is Big Ern ? i thoughht he was one of yours ? is that not true ?[/p][/quote]I don't use 2 usernames to back myself up!!!! As I say one username is whilst at work (on breaks or lunch) whilst the other is for non-work and neither back each other up - I have NEVER replied to one of my posts with the other username - if you don't believe look at all the posts both usernames have ever done! As for Big Ern - definitely not me. But goes to show that my way of thinking is definitely more popular than yours!!! As I keep repeating myself, up to the point of boredom, because you are so thick, I only have 2 usernames (1 whilst at work, TRO, on breaks and lunchtime because web-sense blocks FB and have to use an email to log in and 1 at home, BWFC71, which automatically logs in with my FB profile!). Again your lack of IT knowledge is just pathetic!!!![/p][/quote]So you think i'm pathetic, which is fair enough your'e entitled to your opinion but can you tell me at one point were you using " Eric Draven " as a username or was that someone else. I know it's a bit pathetic but humour me ? George X
  • Score: 1

10:53pm Tue 25 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
See you haven't got a cle.

Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username.

And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!!

And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why.

But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!!

Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)
At least i don't need two usernames to win an argument , anyway who is Big Ern ? i thoughht he was one of yours ? is that not true ?
I don't use 2 usernames to back myself up!!!!

As I say one username is whilst at work (on breaks or lunch) whilst the other is for non-work and neither back each other up - I have NEVER replied to one of my posts with the other username - if you don't believe look at all the posts both usernames have ever done!

As for Big Ern - definitely not me. But goes to show that my way of thinking is definitely more popular than yours!!!

As I keep repeating myself, up to the point of boredom, because you are so thick, I only have 2 usernames (1 whilst at work, TRO, on breaks and lunchtime because web-sense blocks FB and have to use an email to log in and 1 at home, BWFC71, which automatically logs in with my FB profile!). Again your lack of IT knowledge is just pathetic!!!!
So you think i'm pathetic, which is fair enough your'e entitled to your opinion but can you tell me at one point were you using " Eric Draven " as a username or was that someone else.
I know it's a bit pathetic but humour me ?
LETSS CLEAR THIS UP ONCE AND FOR ALL, IDIOT

THE ONLY " USERNAMES" I HAVE EVER USED ON HERE ARE:

1. BWFC71 - FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW IN WHICH LAST 2 YEARS I HAVE AUTOMATICALLY LOGGED IN VIA MY FB LOGIN!!!

2. TRO - FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE PC I USE HAS WEBSENSE AND CANNNOT USE MY FB LOGIN AND AS SSUCH HAVE TO USE AN EMAIL TO LOGIN

I HAVE NEVER BEEN ANY OTHER USER NAME NOR DO IHAVE ANY INCLINATION TO HAVE ANY OTHER USERNAME


As for any other username that you want to think is me, forget it. they are not and have no association with me, whether it be Maplins, Big Ern, Eric Draven or anyone else you accuse me of being of.
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: See you haven't got a cle. Maplins is NOT me!!!! TRo (The Righteous One) is the break/lunchtime username. And as I say you haven't a clue when it comes to logins!! And as Julian has clarified many times there is no rule to say how many usernames one can have. As it is I only have 2 (yes TWO - BWFC7 and TRO)) and I have explained more than often enough as to why. But it is not my problem that you do not understand, in fact it is your problem as naiivity and ignorance is no form of defence!!! Personally I'd ban you as you contribute nothing to this website apart fro personal abuse to other users (excluding myself) and you say nothing, not one iota, about the news report and letters on which you comment on, as well as the foul language you use in more or less every post!!! And that is a more valid reason of a ban than yours which is just due to you not liking me (i.e a personal clash)[/p][/quote]At least i don't need two usernames to win an argument , anyway who is Big Ern ? i thoughht he was one of yours ? is that not true ?[/p][/quote]I don't use 2 usernames to back myself up!!!! As I say one username is whilst at work (on breaks or lunch) whilst the other is for non-work and neither back each other up - I have NEVER replied to one of my posts with the other username - if you don't believe look at all the posts both usernames have ever done! As for Big Ern - definitely not me. But goes to show that my way of thinking is definitely more popular than yours!!! As I keep repeating myself, up to the point of boredom, because you are so thick, I only have 2 usernames (1 whilst at work, TRO, on breaks and lunchtime because web-sense blocks FB and have to use an email to log in and 1 at home, BWFC71, which automatically logs in with my FB profile!). Again your lack of IT knowledge is just pathetic!!!![/p][/quote]So you think i'm pathetic, which is fair enough your'e entitled to your opinion but can you tell me at one point were you using " Eric Draven " as a username or was that someone else. I know it's a bit pathetic but humour me ?[/p][/quote]LETSS CLEAR THIS UP ONCE AND FOR ALL, IDIOT THE ONLY " USERNAMES" I HAVE EVER USED ON HERE ARE: 1. BWFC71 - FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW IN WHICH LAST 2 YEARS I HAVE AUTOMATICALLY LOGGED IN VIA MY FB LOGIN!!! 2. TRO - FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE PC I USE HAS WEBSENSE AND CANNNOT USE MY FB LOGIN AND AS SSUCH HAVE TO USE AN EMAIL TO LOGIN I HAVE NEVER BEEN ANY OTHER USER NAME NOR DO IHAVE ANY INCLINATION TO HAVE ANY OTHER USERNAME As for any other username that you want to think is me, forget it. they are not and have no association with me, whether it be Maplins, Big Ern, Eric Draven or anyone else you accuse me of being of. BWFC71
  • Score: -52

8:48am Wed 26 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

Does seem abit funny that fter you post a comment, and I reply to your questions, I suddenly get a disproportionate of thumbs down - especially as the number of hits the story/letter gets is actually far less in the same period time (and considering 1 hit can only muster 1 vote if used), whilst you actually get nothing!!!!

Strange, considering if I was that unpopular then your posts should be getting the same number of thumbs up, if nopt more, then I get in thumbs down!!!!
Does seem abit funny that fter you post a comment, and I reply to your questions, I suddenly get a disproportionate of thumbs down - especially as the number of hits the story/letter gets is actually far less in the same period time (and considering 1 hit can only muster 1 vote if used), whilst you actually get nothing!!!! Strange, considering if I was that unpopular then your posts should be getting the same number of thumbs up, if nopt more, then I get in thumbs down!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 2

7:49pm Wed 26 Feb 14

George X says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Does seem abit funny that fter you post a comment, and I reply to your questions, I suddenly get a disproportionate of thumbs down - especially as the number of hits the story/letter gets is actually far less in the same period time (and considering 1 hit can only muster 1 vote if used), whilst you actually get nothing!!!!

Strange, considering if I was that unpopular then your posts should be getting the same number of thumbs up, if nopt more, then I get in thumbs down!!!!
Why is it strange, maybe it's because i'm unpopular as well, but hey-ho i can take it, my shoulders are broad enough .
One thing for sure though i wouldn't going crying to what's his face, the editor...
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Does seem abit funny that fter you post a comment, and I reply to your questions, I suddenly get a disproportionate of thumbs down - especially as the number of hits the story/letter gets is actually far less in the same period time (and considering 1 hit can only muster 1 vote if used), whilst you actually get nothing!!!! Strange, considering if I was that unpopular then your posts should be getting the same number of thumbs up, if nopt more, then I get in thumbs down!!!![/p][/quote]Why is it strange, maybe it's because i'm unpopular as well, but hey-ho i can take it, my shoulders are broad enough . One thing for sure though i wouldn't going crying to what's his face, the editor... George X
  • Score: -1

10:09pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Does seem abit funny that fter you post a comment, and I reply to your questions, I suddenly get a disproportionate of thumbs down - especially as the number of hits the story/letter gets is actually far less in the same period time (and considering 1 hit can only muster 1 vote if used), whilst you actually get nothing!!!!

Strange, considering if I was that unpopular then your posts should be getting the same number of thumbs up, if nopt more, then I get in thumbs down!!!!
Why is it strange, maybe it's because i'm unpopular as well, but hey-ho i can take it, my shoulders are broad enough .
One thing for sure though i wouldn't going crying to what's his face, the editor...
Can you take it?

It is you that seems to want to start talking about the thumbs up and thumbs down!
It is you that starts the debate about who is popular and who isn't!
It is you that starts to quote numbers as to how many thumbs down I get!


The list goes on, and then you say your shoulders are broad enough!!! It doesn't seem like that!
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Does seem abit funny that fter you post a comment, and I reply to your questions, I suddenly get a disproportionate of thumbs down - especially as the number of hits the story/letter gets is actually far less in the same period time (and considering 1 hit can only muster 1 vote if used), whilst you actually get nothing!!!! Strange, considering if I was that unpopular then your posts should be getting the same number of thumbs up, if nopt more, then I get in thumbs down!!!![/p][/quote]Why is it strange, maybe it's because i'm unpopular as well, but hey-ho i can take it, my shoulders are broad enough . One thing for sure though i wouldn't going crying to what's his face, the editor...[/p][/quote]Can you take it? It is you that seems to want to start talking about the thumbs up and thumbs down! It is you that starts the debate about who is popular and who isn't! It is you that starts to quote numbers as to how many thumbs down I get! The list goes on, and then you say your shoulders are broad enough!!! It doesn't seem like that! BWFC71
  • Score: -3

5:48pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Colinslyne says...

We lived in Great Lever for some many years, but saw a downward spiral into a deprived area, dominated by criminals and drug use. The lovely neighbours, working families, slowly faded away for various reasons, including growing old, and then the area became squaller. Luckily, we managed to sell our property and moved to North Yorkshire nearly three years ago. It is not only a different county , it is almost a different country! The people are courteous, considerate, and helpful, even the drivers respect their driving AND pay their road tax! It is the safest place to live in the country, with crime rates very low. Our car insurance dropped tremendously, as did our house insurance. We can leave our car without fear of vandalisation. We don't fear scroats hanging around the streets as they did in Great. Lever. The council carry out their work diligently, and, when telephoning or calling into their offices, they are civil human beings. We don't regret one single moment of our move, and we now feel that we live in a civilised world, with people who care, including the council and our neighbours. The worst thing we did was move to Great Lever....the best thing was moving away from it. Our town centres here, are clean, not like the artificial face of Bolton, dominated by the town hall. Bolton is dirty, and money is not spent sensibly on its restoration to something worth living in. New university buildings don't make for better living conditions. The people are predominantly made up of lazy spongers, dirty housekeepers and generally non respectful people.
We lived in Great Lever for some many years, but saw a downward spiral into a deprived area, dominated by criminals and drug use. The lovely neighbours, working families, slowly faded away for various reasons, including growing old, and then the area became squaller. Luckily, we managed to sell our property and moved to North Yorkshire nearly three years ago. It is not only a different county , it is almost a different country! The people are courteous, considerate, and helpful, even the drivers respect their driving AND pay their road tax! It is the safest place to live in the country, with crime rates very low. Our car insurance dropped tremendously, as did our house insurance. We can leave our car without fear of vandalisation. We don't fear scroats hanging around the streets as they did in Great. Lever. The council carry out their work diligently, and, when telephoning or calling into their offices, they are civil human beings. We don't regret one single moment of our move, and we now feel that we live in a civilised world, with people who care, including the council and our neighbours. The worst thing we did was move to Great Lever....the best thing was moving away from it. Our town centres here, are clean, not like the artificial face of Bolton, dominated by the town hall. Bolton is dirty, and money is not spent sensibly on its restoration to something worth living in. New university buildings don't make for better living conditions. The people are predominantly made up of lazy spongers, dirty housekeepers and generally non respectful people. Colinslyne
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6:07am Wed 19 Mar 14

jessie'schild says...

Wow, I'm really surprised to read some of these comments. I moved from Bolton in the late 60's, and have lived in California since 1970. Some of my family members have lived in Bolton all of their lives, and are still in the Halliwell/Smithills areas. From time to time I see newspaper reports that are forwarded to me, such as this one, and wonder why the complaints out number the recommended solutions. I can only suggest that each of the complainers should contact their local council representative, and recommend a way to resolve the problem that they have reported. Be proactive and provide your support for the better causes. Good luck to all.
Wow, I'm really surprised to read some of these comments. I moved from Bolton in the late 60's, and have lived in California since 1970. Some of my family members have lived in Bolton all of their lives, and are still in the Halliwell/Smithills areas. From time to time I see newspaper reports that are forwarded to me, such as this one, and wonder why the complaints out number the recommended solutions. I can only suggest that each of the complainers should contact their local council representative, and recommend a way to resolve the problem that they have reported. Be proactive and provide your support for the better causes. Good luck to all. jessie'schild
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