Bolton Council leader blasts plan to scrap councillors' pensions

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Cllr Cliff Morris

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A MOVE to scrap pensions for councillors is “the wrong decision”, according to the leader of Bolton Council.

The government has confirmed that new councillors will not be entitled to taxpayer-funded pensions from April 1, while existing members with a pension will have their policy stopped at the end of their current term of office.

Since 1997, the pension scheme was open to all councillors and elected council mayors, aged under 75, on an opt-in basis if they contributed six per cent of their pay

Benefits included a tax-free lump sum when they retire, a pension based on councillors’ average career pay and voluntary retirement from the age of 60.

Now Cllr Cliff Morris, the Labour leader of the council, has said he would urge the government to think again on the plans, as it would create a double standard with councillors in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland still be part of the scheme.

He said: “It is perplexing that ministers who have been busy adding to the workload of councillors by transferring functions from central to local government are now arguing that those same councillors — and the Mayor of London — should be classed as volunteers.

“Fair remuneration is important so people from all walks of life can afford to stand for office.

“Otherwise, we risk local government becoming the exclusive preserve of a privileged few who have the luxury of time and money to spare.

“Those who give their time and efforts to take on this responsibility should be no less entitled to a pension than an MP.”

But Conservative group leader Cllr David Greenhalgh said the government’s decision was the right call.

He said: “I just feel it’s not appropriate. I never view councillors as council employees — I think most members of the public will be very surprised to learn that councillors could take advantage of the scheme.

“To be a councillor is more of a vocation and about serving your community.”

Bolton Lib Dem leader Cllr Roger Hayes backed Cllr Morris’ stance.

He said: “I’ve never taken it up and I don’t think anyone from our group has, but for young people coming in I don’t see why councillors shouldn’t get a pensions.

“I think it’s a shame. I think it will discourage younger people considering becoming councillors.

“We’re here to serve the community, and most people who go into politics give up a lot to do it.”

Councillors get a basic allowance of £11,082, with more for any additional responsibilities.

 

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9:11am Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Cliff, it is about time you were hit the pocket!

We are meant to be in this mess together and yet you have been screwing the people of Bolton left right and centre whilst you have had a rise upo on rise every year when no council worker or any other workers has had one

People's pension either have changed (or about to change once new contracts have signed) and now here you are moaning that your is changing!

This just shows that you do not care about the job you do - all you are bothered about is money and your bank balance - PATHETIC!!!!

Because of this and your contempt for the town and its people do you not think you should now resign? But you wont because you are stubborn and know a decent gravy train when you see one!!!

Unfortunately you cannot be voted out in this years Local Elections because you ward is not up for grabs - but lets remember this people do NOT forget and when you ward is up for elections in 2015 I prey that you will be sent packing!
Cliff, it is about time you were hit the pocket! We are meant to be in this mess together and yet you have been screwing the people of Bolton left right and centre whilst you have had a rise upo on rise every year when no council worker or any other workers has had one People's pension either have changed (or about to change once new contracts have signed) and now here you are moaning that your is changing! This just shows that you do not care about the job you do - all you are bothered about is money and your bank balance - PATHETIC!!!! Because of this and your contempt for the town and its people do you not think you should now resign? But you wont because you are stubborn and know a decent gravy train when you see one!!! Unfortunately you cannot be voted out in this years Local Elections because you ward is not up for grabs - but lets remember this people do NOT forget and when you ward is up for elections in 2015 I prey that you will be sent packing! BWFC71
  • Score: 135

9:14am Fri 21 Mar 14

boltonchap says...

About time too. Too many grubby fingers in the public sector pie. The majority couldn't make a living in the real world. As for trust - very few are trustworthy.
About time too. Too many grubby fingers in the public sector pie. The majority couldn't make a living in the real world. As for trust - very few are trustworthy. boltonchap
  • Score: 46

9:21am Fri 21 Mar 14

boltonchap says...

For once I endorse BWFC's comment. Never thought that would happen
Now off to bathroom to throw up as I even gave him a thumbs up and these are so important to him.
For once I endorse BWFC's comment. Never thought that would happen Now off to bathroom to throw up as I even gave him a thumbs up and these are so important to him. boltonchap
  • Score: 28

10:17am Fri 21 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.
Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all. thomas222
  • Score: 36

10:44am Fri 21 Mar 14

goldie47 says...

oh deal....the greedy little pigges troughs are running dry....about time too
oh deal....the greedy little pigges troughs are running dry....about time too goldie47
  • Score: 39

10:55am Fri 21 Mar 14

Changing times says...

Morris you are a waste of space and your comments prove you are are only in it for the money ......... No concern or respect for the people of Bolton.

Cllr Morris you are a disgrace.
Morris you are a waste of space and your comments prove you are are only in it for the money ......... No concern or respect for the people of Bolton. Cllr Morris you are a disgrace. Changing times
  • Score: 48

11:01am Fri 21 Mar 14

Hollieanne says...

Morris will only resign when the gravy train runs out and he has bled the town for as much as he can get.
Morris will only resign when the gravy train runs out and he has bled the town for as much as he can get. Hollieanne
  • Score: 45

12:31pm Fri 21 Mar 14

underwater says...

Hollieanne wrote:
Morris will only resign when the gravy train runs out and he has bled the town for as much as he can get.
will not be long then. he has had more than most out of this Town. Shame on him.
[quote][p][bold]Hollieanne[/bold] wrote: Morris will only resign when the gravy train runs out and he has bled the town for as much as he can get.[/p][/quote]will not be long then. he has had more than most out of this Town. Shame on him. underwater
  • Score: 34

1:39pm Fri 21 Mar 14

stereo_world says...

Cry me a river, Councillors. I'm sure not one of us would hand you a hanky.
Cry me a river, Councillors. I'm sure not one of us would hand you a hanky. stereo_world
  • Score: 24

4:06pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.
To be fair if you ever become councillor we could check our account before and after and it would show a marked increase because of the "wage" that councillors receive. They do need to get paid for their time and it has to be competitive to "Private" companies as 99% of the time they have to give their full-time job up to become a councillor!

But have to admit Cliff "3 jobs" Morris is a money grabbing barsteward who doesn't give a **** just as long as he gets his money. The Tory Council we had in the 1980's was basically the last council who had pride in the town and wanted the town to succeed, and move forward, without bleeding it dry for their own bank accounts! (and I am definitely not a Tory!!!)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.[/p][/quote]To be fair if you ever become councillor we could check our account before and after and it would show a marked increase because of the "wage" that councillors receive. They do need to get paid for their time and it has to be competitive to "Private" companies as 99% of the time they have to give their full-time job up to become a councillor! But have to admit Cliff "3 jobs" Morris is a money grabbing barsteward who doesn't give a **** just as long as he gets his money. The Tory Council we had in the 1980's was basically the last council who had pride in the town and wanted the town to succeed, and move forward, without bleeding it dry for their own bank accounts! (and I am definitely not a Tory!!!) BWFC71
  • Score: -23

4:50pm Fri 21 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.
To be fair if you ever become councillor we could check our account before and after and it would show a marked increase because of the "wage" that councillors receive. They do need to get paid for their time and it has to be competitive to "Private" companies as 99% of the time they have to give their full-time job up to become a councillor! But have to admit Cliff "3 jobs" Morris is a money grabbing barsteward who doesn't give a **** just as long as he gets his money. The Tory Council we had in the 1980's was basically the last council who had pride in the town and wanted the town to succeed, and move forward, without bleeding it dry for their own bank accounts! (and I am definitely not a Tory!!!)
Better still check the waist size of any Cllr when they came in and now..... ; )
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.[/p][/quote]To be fair if you ever become councillor we could check our account before and after and it would show a marked increase because of the "wage" that councillors receive. They do need to get paid for their time and it has to be competitive to "Private" companies as 99% of the time they have to give their full-time job up to become a councillor! But have to admit Cliff "3 jobs" Morris is a money grabbing barsteward who doesn't give a **** just as long as he gets his money. The Tory Council we had in the 1980's was basically the last council who had pride in the town and wanted the town to succeed, and move forward, without bleeding it dry for their own bank accounts! (and I am definitely not a Tory!!!)[/p][/quote]Better still check the waist size of any Cllr when they came in and now..... ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 13

5:49pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.
To be fair if you ever become councillor we could check our account before and after and it would show a marked increase because of the "wage" that councillors receive. They do need to get paid for their time and it has to be competitive to "Private" companies as 99% of the time they have to give their full-time job up to become a councillor! But have to admit Cliff "3 jobs" Morris is a money grabbing barsteward who doesn't give a **** just as long as he gets his money. The Tory Council we had in the 1980's was basically the last council who had pride in the town and wanted the town to succeed, and move forward, without bleeding it dry for their own bank accounts! (and I am definitely not a Tory!!!)
Better still check the waist size of any Cllr when they came in and now..... ; )
Most councillors are actually "normal" size and don't normally grow in size over their period in office - and lets not forget that as people do grow older the majority do grow a waistline no matter how much exercise one does - its natural.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.[/p][/quote]To be fair if you ever become councillor we could check our account before and after and it would show a marked increase because of the "wage" that councillors receive. They do need to get paid for their time and it has to be competitive to "Private" companies as 99% of the time they have to give their full-time job up to become a councillor! But have to admit Cliff "3 jobs" Morris is a money grabbing barsteward who doesn't give a **** just as long as he gets his money. The Tory Council we had in the 1980's was basically the last council who had pride in the town and wanted the town to succeed, and move forward, without bleeding it dry for their own bank accounts! (and I am definitely not a Tory!!!)[/p][/quote]Better still check the waist size of any Cllr when they came in and now..... ; )[/p][/quote]Most councillors are actually "normal" size and don't normally grow in size over their period in office - and lets not forget that as people do grow older the majority do grow a waistline no matter how much exercise one does - its natural. BWFC71
  • Score: -33

6:16pm Fri 21 Mar 14

sallyupsteps says...

I must be naive. I always thought that councillors did the job for pride in the town and civic duty. I changed my mind after attending a local forum when the councillor left promptly after the register was taken, howzat for getting money for old rope? The forums are rigged only five minutes of allotted is allowed to question our representatives.
I must be naive. I always thought that councillors did the job for pride in the town and civic duty. I changed my mind after attending a local forum when the councillor left promptly after the register was taken, howzat for getting money for old rope? The forums are rigged only five minutes of allotted is allowed to question our representatives. sallyupsteps
  • Score: 29

6:30pm Fri 21 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.
To be fair if you ever become councillor we could check our account before and after and it would show a marked increase because of the "wage" that councillors receive. They do need to get paid for their time and it has to be competitive to "Private" companies as 99% of the time they have to give their full-time job up to become a councillor! But have to admit Cliff "3 jobs" Morris is a money grabbing barsteward who doesn't give a **** just as long as he gets his money. The Tory Council we had in the 1980's was basically the last council who had pride in the town and wanted the town to succeed, and move forward, without bleeding it dry for their own bank accounts! (and I am definitely not a Tory!!!)
Better still check the waist size of any Cllr when they came in and now..... ; )
Most councillors are actually "normal" size and don't normally grow in size over their period in office - and lets not forget that as people do grow older the majority do grow a waistline no matter how much exercise one does - its natural.
If your happy with what your getting then crack on.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Check the bank balance of any Cllr when he was un elected & check it now. That will say it all.[/p][/quote]To be fair if you ever become councillor we could check our account before and after and it would show a marked increase because of the "wage" that councillors receive. They do need to get paid for their time and it has to be competitive to "Private" companies as 99% of the time they have to give their full-time job up to become a councillor! But have to admit Cliff "3 jobs" Morris is a money grabbing barsteward who doesn't give a **** just as long as he gets his money. The Tory Council we had in the 1980's was basically the last council who had pride in the town and wanted the town to succeed, and move forward, without bleeding it dry for their own bank accounts! (and I am definitely not a Tory!!!)[/p][/quote]Better still check the waist size of any Cllr when they came in and now..... ; )[/p][/quote]Most councillors are actually "normal" size and don't normally grow in size over their period in office - and lets not forget that as people do grow older the majority do grow a waistline no matter how much exercise one does - its natural.[/p][/quote]If your happy with what your getting then crack on. thomas222
  • Score: 7

8:19pm Fri 21 Mar 14

steveG says...

The gravy train has got to end, the quality of person attracted to the post has deteriorated markedly since the introduction of outlandish benefits.
The gravy train has got to end, the quality of person attracted to the post has deteriorated markedly since the introduction of outlandish benefits. steveG
  • Score: 19

3:06am Sat 22 Mar 14

wsw69 says...

For the record, I am not a Tory or a Liberal, I'm a lifelong Labour supporter. I hate Cliff Morris with a passion as much as I hated the sight or Margaret Thatcher.

That FLUF - Fat Little Useless F***er - has been a total disaster for Bolton PLC. A greedy imbecile, not fit for any purpose, and as much use as t1t5 on a boar, this bloke has stolen a living from the day dot. I wouldn't him with holes out of Polo mints!

Get real Morris you arrogant halfwit, and the sooner you are put out to grass, the better.
For the record, I am not a Tory or a Liberal, I'm a lifelong Labour supporter. I hate Cliff Morris with a passion as much as I hated the sight or Margaret Thatcher. That FLUF - Fat Little Useless F***er - has been a total disaster for Bolton PLC. A greedy imbecile, not fit for any purpose, and as much use as t1t5 on a boar, this bloke has stolen a living from the day dot. I wouldn't him with holes out of Polo mints! Get real Morris you arrogant halfwit, and the sooner you are put out to grass, the better. wsw69
  • Score: 30

3:08am Sat 22 Mar 14

wsw69 says...

Errrrrm, that should read - I wouldn't PAY him with holes out of Polo mints!
Errrrrm, that should read - I wouldn't PAY him with holes out of Polo mints! wsw69
  • Score: 12

2:49pm Sat 22 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

I too am surprised by comments of BWF71 and have put thumbs up for what he has said --- well done!
I too am surprised by comments of BWF71 and have put thumbs up for what he has said --- well done! holloway_david
  • Score: 6

2:58pm Sat 22 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

I would like to know whether husband and wife councillors for Breightmet John and Lynda Byrne claim individually any allowances.
I would like to know whether husband and wife councillors for Breightmet John and Lynda Byrne claim individually any allowances. holloway_david
  • Score: 10

4:46pm Sat 22 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

holloway_david wrote:
I would like to know whether husband and wife councillors for Breightmet John and Lynda Byrne claim individually any allowances.
They have been on the gravy train for years and years......
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: I would like to know whether husband and wife councillors for Breightmet John and Lynda Byrne claim individually any allowances.[/p][/quote]They have been on the gravy train for years and years...... thomas222
  • Score: 11

10:00pm Sat 22 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
I would like to know whether husband and wife councillors for Breightmet John and Lynda Byrne claim individually any allowances.
They are allowed to as it is in the rules!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: I would like to know whether husband and wife councillors for Breightmet John and Lynda Byrne claim individually any allowances.[/p][/quote]They are allowed to as it is in the rules! BWFC71
  • Score: -11

10:02am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
I too am surprised by comments of BWF71 and have put thumbs up for what he has said --- well done!
I am not surprised - as you will see from many of my posts over the last 8 years! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: I too am surprised by comments of BWF71 and have put thumbs up for what he has said --- well done![/p][/quote]I am not surprised - as you will see from many of my posts over the last 8 years! ;-) BWFC71
  • Score: -29

8:01pm Mon 24 Mar 14

albertmodley says...

goldie47 wrote:
oh deal....the greedy little pigges troughs are running dry....about time too
Agreed Time the working class pigs came into the real world.
(Look up what Mr Blair had to say on the matter)!
[quote][p][bold]goldie47[/bold] wrote: oh deal....the greedy little pigges troughs are running dry....about time too[/p][/quote]Agreed Time the working class pigs came into the real world. (Look up what Mr Blair had to say on the matter)! albertmodley
  • Score: 4

1:08pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cliff4treasurer says...

loosing there pensions, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
loosing there pensions, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 6

4:26pm Tue 25 Mar 14

stantheman133 says...

Councillars get paid, so no defining between the well off and the poor if you are elected thats what you get ,so why should you get a pension as well. We all have to contribute to our pensions. Whether it be state or private, but not a free one surely.
Councillars get paid, so no defining between the well off and the poor if you are elected thats what you get ,so why should you get a pension as well. We all have to contribute to our pensions. Whether it be state or private, but not a free one surely. stantheman133
  • Score: 9

10:31pm Tue 25 Mar 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

WHERE IS THIS GRAVY TRAIN, I'D LIKE TO P I S S IN IT :-)
THIEVING LAZY FATTIES
WHERE IS THIS GRAVY TRAIN, I'D LIKE TO P I S S IN IT :-) THIEVING LAZY FATTIES VIGILANTE VIC
  • Score: 4

12:14pm Thu 27 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

Reference Councillor Morris. There should be an online petition to get rid now
Reference Councillor Morris. There should be an online petition to get rid now holloway_david
  • Score: 4

1:26pm Thu 27 Mar 14

wsw69 says...

holloway_david wrote:
Reference Councillor Morris. There should be an online petition to get rid now
That third rate idiot and oxygen thief should NEVER have been in the position since day one. If ever the good lord made a waste of space of a bloke, then Cliff Morris is top of the list.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: Reference Councillor Morris. There should be an online petition to get rid now[/p][/quote]That third rate idiot and oxygen thief should NEVER have been in the position since day one. If ever the good lord made a waste of space of a bloke, then Cliff Morris is top of the list. wsw69
  • Score: 11

2:01pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

LOL Having to laugh as before a certain cretin used his macro program on this thread my first post, with was the very first post, had over +40 thumbs and it is now at least -45 thumbs. And yet the people who normally argue with me agreed with me, along with many many others. Just goes to show the mentality of that one person and deep that one grudge goes. Shame really as that person has really shown himself up what what he really is - an idiot!
LOL Having to laugh as before a certain cretin used his macro program on this thread my first post, with was the very first post, had over +40 thumbs and it is now at least -45 thumbs. And yet the people who normally argue with me agreed with me, along with many many others. Just goes to show the mentality of that one person and deep that one grudge goes. Shame really as that person has really shown himself up what what he really is - an idiot! BWFC71
  • Score: 8

5:36pm Thu 27 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

Hollieanne wrote:
Morris will only resign when the gravy train runs out and he has bled the town for as much as he can get.
Thought it was gravy boat and in Morris case probably a tanker.
[quote][p][bold]Hollieanne[/bold] wrote: Morris will only resign when the gravy train runs out and he has bled the town for as much as he can get.[/p][/quote]Thought it was gravy boat and in Morris case probably a tanker. holloway_david
  • Score: 3

6:01pm Thu 27 Mar 14

the hand says...

I notice Steve rock has no comments on this issue I wonder why
I notice Steve rock has no comments on this issue I wonder why the hand
  • Score: 2

6:16pm Thu 27 Mar 14

wsw69 says...

the hand wrote:
I notice Steve rock has no comments on this issue I wonder why
Oh no, don't tempt fate :-(
[quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: I notice Steve rock has no comments on this issue I wonder why[/p][/quote]Oh no, don't tempt fate :-( wsw69
  • Score: 4

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