Horwich councillors back outline plans for 1700-home site

Horwich councillors back outline plans for 1700-home site

Horwich councillors back outline plans for 1700-home site

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HORWICH town councillors have recommended approval for an outline planning application for 1700 homes to be built on the former Horwich loco works site.

A proposal was put forward by Cllr Kevin McKeon who suggested that the plans, from developers Horwich Vision, should be generally supported by the town council but that assurances should be asked for regarding the impact on transport in the area and the removal of contaminated items.

A public meeting on Monday heard concerns from residents about the volume of traffic that could come to the area with the development and the unknown amount of products such as asbestos and cyanide that may remain on the loco works site.

Cllr McKeon said: "I propose that we accept this outline application in principle as there are real economic benefits and it will get rid of a contaminated site.

"But I would suggest conditions are included that the planners must be confident of the removal of all the contamination and secondly that they ensure some transport mitigation."

The cllrs also discussed controversial plans to knock down the Bolton College Horwich campus in Victoria Road, to make way for 140 homes, but agreed to defer making a recommendation until the next town council meeting.

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10:04am Fri 21 Mar 14

boydell says...

So much for the Horwich councillors being on the side of the residents!!.
It is so obvious that they were not listening to the people at the meeting on Monday night. If they WERE listening they would never have given any backing at all to this latest scheme.
I was there and I think there was about one or two residents who thought it was a good idea TO HAVE THIS CONCRETE JUNGLE BUILT IN HORWICH. The rest were dead against it. We just cannot take any more traffic along Chorley New Road.
If this plan goes ahead against the Horwich residents wishes, will the proper infrastructure be put in place FIRST or will heads be put in the sand and hope the traffic problem, ie cars go away.
Cllr McKeon should not have proposed to accept this plan under any circumstances, but like everything else the wishes of the residents are not worth tuppence.
So much for the Horwich councillors being on the side of the residents!!. It is so obvious that they were not listening to the people at the meeting on Monday night. If they WERE listening they would never have given any backing at all to this latest scheme. I was there and I think there was about one or two residents who thought it was a good idea TO HAVE THIS CONCRETE JUNGLE BUILT IN HORWICH. The rest were dead against it. We just cannot take any more traffic along Chorley New Road. If this plan goes ahead against the Horwich residents wishes, will the proper infrastructure be put in place FIRST or will heads be put in the sand and hope the traffic problem, ie cars go away. Cllr McKeon should not have proposed to accept this plan under any circumstances, but like everything else the wishes of the residents are not worth tuppence. boydell
  • Score: 27

10:11am Fri 21 Mar 14

mdavies11 says...

Yes but if i lived there I could walk to work so it would actually reduce traffic

but I shan't live there because it will be "affordable housing" ie a poor person's slum

they should just build 5 or 6 luxury manor houses on the site with gorgeous stately home style gardens etc, and give something for horwichonians to aspire to
Yes but if i lived there I could walk to work so it would actually reduce traffic but I shan't live there because it will be "affordable housing" ie a poor person's slum they should just build 5 or 6 luxury manor houses on the site with gorgeous stately home style gardens etc, and give something for horwichonians to aspire to mdavies11
  • Score: -13

11:05am Fri 21 Mar 14

filthy6 says...

mdavies11 wrote:
Yes but if i lived there I could walk to work so it would actually reduce traffic but I shan't live there because it will be "affordable housing" ie a poor person's slum they should just build 5 or 6 luxury manor houses on the site with gorgeous stately home style gardens etc, and give something for horwichonians to aspire to
Good idea - that way the overpaid BWFC players could jog to work
[quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: Yes but if i lived there I could walk to work so it would actually reduce traffic but I shan't live there because it will be "affordable housing" ie a poor person's slum they should just build 5 or 6 luxury manor houses on the site with gorgeous stately home style gardens etc, and give something for horwichonians to aspire to[/p][/quote]Good idea - that way the overpaid BWFC players could jog to work filthy6
  • Score: 10

11:13am Fri 21 Mar 14

Blackrod says...

mdavies11 wrote:
Yes but if i lived there I could walk to work so it would actually reduce traffic

but I shan't live there because it will be "affordable housing" ie a poor person's slum

they should just build 5 or 6 luxury manor houses on the site with gorgeous stately home style gardens etc, and give something for horwichonians to aspire to
Ok you would be lucky to have a local job. You don't need a car to take work kit. You don't need a car for your job. You have the health to walk miles, no back problem etc. You aren't taking a car of 3 other employees who also work in Bolton , Wigan, chorley or Manchester. So, you would walk to work. The majority of residents, including those in Blackrod who have to travel through Horwich, aren't in your manor house position. There is no argument about traffic, it's awful as it is. Try watching emergency vehicles get though!
[quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: Yes but if i lived there I could walk to work so it would actually reduce traffic but I shan't live there because it will be "affordable housing" ie a poor person's slum they should just build 5 or 6 luxury manor houses on the site with gorgeous stately home style gardens etc, and give something for horwichonians to aspire to[/p][/quote]Ok you would be lucky to have a local job. You don't need a car to take work kit. You don't need a car for your job. You have the health to walk miles, no back problem etc. You aren't taking a car of 3 other employees who also work in Bolton , Wigan, chorley or Manchester. So, you would walk to work. The majority of residents, including those in Blackrod who have to travel through Horwich, aren't in your manor house position. There is no argument about traffic, it's awful as it is. Try watching emergency vehicles get though! Blackrod
  • Score: 5

11:22am Fri 21 Mar 14

steverock6@sky.com says...

I voted to defer it until all the questions the public asked are answered ie: health, school provisions road improvements and assurances that the contamination would be dealt with none of these have been answered satisfactorily voting to approve it passes all this to Bolton council!
I voted to defer it until all the questions the public asked are answered ie: health, school provisions road improvements and assurances that the contamination would be dealt with none of these have been answered satisfactorily voting to approve it passes all this to Bolton council! steverock6@sky.com
  • Score: 5

12:07pm Fri 21 Mar 14

bwfc58 says...

They had better be quick about building them house before Chorley clame that Land and say it belongs to them like Rivington pike
They had better be quick about building them house before Chorley clame that Land and say it belongs to them like Rivington pike bwfc58
  • Score: 8

12:54pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Brumas says...

Ok enough frivolous comments; this is a DEADLY serious matter. What we are talking about is HUNDREDS of TONS of ASBESTOS, the exact whereabouts on the site is completely unknown. The Threat of ASBESTOS is the most deadly Carcinogen we has human beings know about. Has a Nation and the EU we have banned any product from being imported that contains ASBESTOS, full stop. Despite this, not one of the Councillors last night had a single piece of paper from the planning application, in front of them. (Despite there being Thousands appertaining to this application) Yet they still passed the application and mark my words this can only finish with one of two outcomes.
Firstly, we have an ecological disaster on our hands, or secondly the developers walks away saying they cannot feasibly afford to clean up the site. The community’s pleas should be escalated to the National press to bring this matter to the wider public, then perhaps Bolton MBC. Will sit up and take notice.
Ok enough frivolous comments; this is a DEADLY serious matter. What we are talking about is HUNDREDS of TONS of ASBESTOS, the exact whereabouts on the site is completely unknown. The Threat of ASBESTOS is the most deadly Carcinogen we has human beings know about. Has a Nation and the EU we have banned any product from being imported that contains ASBESTOS, full stop. Despite this, not one of the Councillors last night had a single piece of paper from the planning application, in front of them. (Despite there being Thousands appertaining to this application) Yet they still passed the application and mark my words this can only finish with one of two outcomes. Firstly, we have an ecological disaster on our hands, or secondly the developers walks away saying they cannot feasibly afford to clean up the site. The community’s pleas should be escalated to the National press to bring this matter to the wider public, then perhaps Bolton MBC. Will sit up and take notice. Brumas
  • Score: 11

1:11pm Fri 21 Mar 14

boydell says...

I couldn't agree more with BRUMAS with this being a very serious matter.
I hope that the usual posters who comment on this site also agree and don't post silly/stupid remarks.
If and when thousands of tons of asbestos and cyanide IS being removed from this deadly site, will the Bolton council provide all the residents with protective clothing and masks.
The Horwich councillors will have a lot to answer to for passing the buck if this planning application IS approved.
I couldn't agree more with BRUMAS with this being a very serious matter. I hope that the usual posters who comment on this site also agree and don't post silly/stupid remarks. If and when thousands of tons of asbestos and cyanide IS being removed from this deadly site, will the Bolton council provide all the residents with protective clothing and masks. The Horwich councillors will have a lot to answer to for passing the buck if this planning application IS approved. boydell
  • Score: 9

1:46pm Fri 21 Mar 14

gladrill says...

Well that says it all. They have had objections to this proposal but do not listen. they will not be getting my vote at the next election. chorley New Road Cannot cope with the traffic now, how can it posibly cope with another 1700 houses. You are a disgrace Horwich council.
Well that says it all. They have had objections to this proposal but do not listen. they will not be getting my vote at the next election. chorley New Road Cannot cope with the traffic now, how can it posibly cope with another 1700 houses. You are a disgrace Horwich council. gladrill
  • Score: 8

1:50pm Fri 21 Mar 14

gladrill says...

mdavies11 wrote:
Yes but if i lived there I could walk to work so it would actually reduce traffic

but I shan't live there because it will be "affordable housing" ie a poor person's slum

they should just build 5 or 6 luxury manor houses on the site with gorgeous stately home style gardens etc, and give something for horwichonians to aspire to
Your digusting comments are typical of people outside Horwich. where does all this jealousy come from. It is funny that everone wants to move here.
[quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: Yes but if i lived there I could walk to work so it would actually reduce traffic but I shan't live there because it will be "affordable housing" ie a poor person's slum they should just build 5 or 6 luxury manor houses on the site with gorgeous stately home style gardens etc, and give something for horwichonians to aspire to[/p][/quote]Your digusting comments are typical of people outside Horwich. where does all this jealousy come from. It is funny that everone wants to move here. gladrill
  • Score: 9

4:08pm Fri 21 Mar 14

catsden says...

Do they ever listen to the residents, do they hell, shouldn't be paid with washers, all they think about is getting money for just messing with people, they don't care at all, waste of time having meetings, selfish people wonder will not be voting again, they are all as bad as one another, a child could do better. shame on you Councillors
Do they ever listen to the residents, do they hell, shouldn't be paid with washers, all they think about is getting money for just messing with people, they don't care at all, waste of time having meetings, selfish people wonder will not be voting again, they are all as bad as one another, a child could do better. shame on you Councillors catsden
  • Score: 12

5:10pm Fri 21 Mar 14

tillyflop53 says...

Residents sold down the river again, Horwich is fast becoming a massive housing estate. I grew up there and must admit I barely recognise the place now, it seems that if there is land the council will allow houses to be built on it .
Residents sold down the river again, Horwich is fast becoming a massive housing estate. I grew up there and must admit I barely recognise the place now, it seems that if there is land the council will allow houses to be built on it . tillyflop53
  • Score: 10

6:18pm Fri 21 Mar 14

marco999 says...

Not be long before the greedy developers have their way and the whole of Horwich ends up like Westhoughton without a decent patch of green land left anywhere. Roads will be clogged up and queuing back to the motorway at 6pm as all the new residents file their way back to their new cardboard houses. Parking in the town center will be just a distant memory because we can't park there now so what's it going to be like with the residents of 1700 new properties all trying to hustle their way in as well? The roads around Horwich are clogged up now. Blackrod bypass is chock a block every day with big lorries going to and from the industrial estates on Crown lane. Chorley new road is so busy that at certain times of the day it is almost impossible to turn across the traffic. I'm disappointed at this decision and angry that local people who have to live here and travel to and from the town have not been properly considered. If you want a glimpse into the future, try to get into Westhoughton at 5:30pm and it'll give you a good idea of what Horwich will be like after they build all these new homes.
Not be long before the greedy developers have their way and the whole of Horwich ends up like Westhoughton without a decent patch of green land left anywhere. Roads will be clogged up and queuing back to the motorway at 6pm as all the new residents file their way back to their new cardboard houses. Parking in the town center will be just a distant memory because we can't park there now so what's it going to be like with the residents of 1700 new properties all trying to hustle their way in as well? The roads around Horwich are clogged up now. Blackrod bypass is chock a block every day with big lorries going to and from the industrial estates on Crown lane. Chorley new road is so busy that at certain times of the day it is almost impossible to turn across the traffic. I'm disappointed at this decision and angry that local people who have to live here and travel to and from the town have not been properly considered. If you want a glimpse into the future, try to get into Westhoughton at 5:30pm and it'll give you a good idea of what Horwich will be like after they build all these new homes. marco999
  • Score: 9

7:53pm Fri 21 Mar 14

steverock6@sky.com says...

Brumas wrote:
Ok enough frivolous comments; this is a DEADLY serious matter. What we are talking about is HUNDREDS of TONS of ASBESTOS, the exact whereabouts on the site is completely unknown. The Threat of ASBESTOS is the most deadly Carcinogen we has human beings know about. Has a Nation and the EU we have banned any product from being imported that contains ASBESTOS, full stop. Despite this, not one of the Councillors last night had a single piece of paper from the planning application, in front of them. (Despite there being Thousands appertaining to this application) Yet they still passed the application and mark my words this can only finish with one of two outcomes.
Firstly, we have an ecological disaster on our hands, or secondly the developers walks away saying they cannot feasibly afford to clean up the site. The community’s pleas should be escalated to the National press to bring this matter to the wider public, then perhaps Bolton MBC. Will sit up and take notice.
I am sorry mate your wrong saying we did not have documents we did and this is the third meeting we have had and the three Lib Den councillors voted to defer it until we get answers to the questions raised by the public and like I said at the meeting voting to approve or reject just sends it to Bolton which the Labour councillors did so they can deal with it in Bolton!
[quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: Ok enough frivolous comments; this is a DEADLY serious matter. What we are talking about is HUNDREDS of TONS of ASBESTOS, the exact whereabouts on the site is completely unknown. The Threat of ASBESTOS is the most deadly Carcinogen we has human beings know about. Has a Nation and the EU we have banned any product from being imported that contains ASBESTOS, full stop. Despite this, not one of the Councillors last night had a single piece of paper from the planning application, in front of them. (Despite there being Thousands appertaining to this application) Yet they still passed the application and mark my words this can only finish with one of two outcomes. Firstly, we have an ecological disaster on our hands, or secondly the developers walks away saying they cannot feasibly afford to clean up the site. The community’s pleas should be escalated to the National press to bring this matter to the wider public, then perhaps Bolton MBC. Will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]I am sorry mate your wrong saying we did not have documents we did and this is the third meeting we have had and the three Lib Den councillors voted to defer it until we get answers to the questions raised by the public and like I said at the meeting voting to approve or reject just sends it to Bolton which the Labour councillors did so they can deal with it in Bolton! steverock6@sky.com
  • Score: -4

8:51pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Brumas says...

Sorry Steve, I know your on our side in trying to prevent this development starting without the right precautions being in place. But you cannot have had them because they have only been in the public domain since Monday when all hell let loose.
Sorry Steve, I know your on our side in trying to prevent this development starting without the right precautions being in place. But you cannot have had them because they have only been in the public domain since Monday when all hell let loose. Brumas
  • Score: 2

1:16am Sat 22 Mar 14

lv8151 says...

steverock6@sky.com wrote:
Brumas wrote:
Ok enough frivolous comments; this is a DEADLY serious matter. What we are talking about is HUNDREDS of TONS of ASBESTOS, the exact whereabouts on the site is completely unknown. The Threat of ASBESTOS is the most deadly Carcinogen we has human beings know about. Has a Nation and the EU we have banned any product from being imported that contains ASBESTOS, full stop. Despite this, not one of the Councillors last night had a single piece of paper from the planning application, in front of them. (Despite there being Thousands appertaining to this application) Yet they still passed the application and mark my words this can only finish with one of two outcomes.
Firstly, we have an ecological disaster on our hands, or secondly the developers walks away saying they cannot feasibly afford to clean up the site. The community’s pleas should be escalated to the National press to bring this matter to the wider public, then perhaps Bolton MBC. Will sit up and take notice.
I am sorry mate your wrong saying we did not have documents we did and this is the third meeting we have had and the three Lib Den councillors voted to defer it until we get answers to the questions raised by the public and like I said at the meeting voting to approve or reject just sends it to Bolton which the Labour councillors did so they can deal with it in Bolton!
lets chat about the political stuff because to be honest the libs have no political power anyway .... but if you want to shout for the libs and then post that whatever you shouted for had no chance of being put into place that just makes the libs insignificant in this issue like most .... you must be proud that your leaders sold you out to the tories
[quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: Ok enough frivolous comments; this is a DEADLY serious matter. What we are talking about is HUNDREDS of TONS of ASBESTOS, the exact whereabouts on the site is completely unknown. The Threat of ASBESTOS is the most deadly Carcinogen we has human beings know about. Has a Nation and the EU we have banned any product from being imported that contains ASBESTOS, full stop. Despite this, not one of the Councillors last night had a single piece of paper from the planning application, in front of them. (Despite there being Thousands appertaining to this application) Yet they still passed the application and mark my words this can only finish with one of two outcomes. Firstly, we have an ecological disaster on our hands, or secondly the developers walks away saying they cannot feasibly afford to clean up the site. The community’s pleas should be escalated to the National press to bring this matter to the wider public, then perhaps Bolton MBC. Will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]I am sorry mate your wrong saying we did not have documents we did and this is the third meeting we have had and the three Lib Den councillors voted to defer it until we get answers to the questions raised by the public and like I said at the meeting voting to approve or reject just sends it to Bolton which the Labour councillors did so they can deal with it in Bolton![/p][/quote]lets chat about the political stuff because to be honest the libs have no political power anyway .... but if you want to shout for the libs and then post that whatever you shouted for had no chance of being put into place that just makes the libs insignificant in this issue like most .... you must be proud that your leaders sold you out to the tories lv8151
  • Score: 1

7:19pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Brumas says...

Iv8151 Yes lets talk politic's, on Thursday night it was demonstrated that toeing the party line was more important than taking into consideration the communities very real concerns about the Asbestos contamination on the Loco works site. You will like others will be thankful that the public were alerted to fact that there are Hundreds of Tons of Asbestos in unknown locations, plus Heavy Metals, Cyanide and Arsnic invast amounts, again in unknown location. These facts are not Joe Public talking through his hat, they are facts spelt out by the Environment Agency in the Thousands of sheets of paperwork regarding this application. So briefly the contamination protesters are saying that no work should start until the Environment Agency and now the Health and Safety Executive are satisfied has to just what contaminants are in situ and where they are. On top of that these two Government Agencies want to know what remedial methods/systems can be feasibly be implemented to negate the effects these contaminants have on Human Health. For all those who do not have sufficient knowledge of the subject matter, please Google “Spodden Valley” “Corby” and “Armley Asbestos Disaster” looking at all the parallels there are with the Loco Works site. Remembering that Asbestos is the Silent Killer, taking up to Forty years to manifest itself. Regards my political alignment, I would say I am a true Socialist.
Iv8151 Yes lets talk politic's, on Thursday night it was demonstrated that toeing the party line was more important than taking into consideration the communities very real concerns about the Asbestos contamination on the Loco works site. You will like others will be thankful that the public were alerted to fact that there are Hundreds of Tons of Asbestos in unknown locations, plus Heavy Metals, Cyanide and Arsnic invast amounts, again in unknown location. These facts are not Joe Public talking through his hat, they are facts spelt out by the Environment Agency in the Thousands of sheets of paperwork regarding this application. So briefly the contamination protesters are saying that no work should start until the Environment Agency and now the Health and Safety Executive are satisfied has to just what contaminants are in situ and where they are. On top of that these two Government Agencies want to know what remedial methods/systems can be feasibly be implemented to negate the effects these contaminants have on Human Health. For all those who do not have sufficient knowledge of the subject matter, please Google “Spodden Valley” “Corby” and “Armley Asbestos Disaster” looking at all the parallels there are with the Loco Works site. Remembering that Asbestos is the Silent Killer, taking up to Forty years to manifest itself. Regards my political alignment, I would say I am a true Socialist. Brumas
  • Score: 4

8:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

wsw69 says...

It was almost certainly a 'done deal' before any public meeting had taken place. I'd sooner live on the hard shoulder of the M6 than that contaminated dump.

The only thing the incumbents of the Clown Hall have seen is 1700 extra Council Tax bills.

Bolton Council; run by 100% 'fully qualified Grade A pr1cK5'
It was almost certainly a 'done deal' before any public meeting had taken place. I'd sooner live on the hard shoulder of the M6 than that contaminated dump. The only thing the incumbents of the Clown Hall have seen is 1700 extra Council Tax bills. Bolton Council; run by 100% 'fully qualified Grade A pr1cK5' wsw69
  • Score: 0

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