Café culture in Bolton? Council cuts cost of putting chairs and tables outside

The Bolton News: People relaxing outside a cafe in Victoria Square People relaxing outside a cafe in Victoria Square

BUSINESSES in Bolton town centre are being urged to create a continental cafe-style culture — by paying less to have tables and chairs outside.

More street cafes could pop up in the town centre after council bosses agreed to reduce the tariffs for businesses putting tables and chairs outside.

It will see the cost of licences for cafes, bars and restaurants with outside seating reduced by as much as 80 per cent in the first year.

The scheme is the latest put forward by the council to boost town centre trading.

Town Hall chiefs have also approved plans to turn Newport Street into a “European-style boulevard” with a £1 million investment — although this has resulted in the loss of the charity canopy.

Cllr Nick Peel said that since the council introduced licences for outside chairs and tables in 2006, lots of businesses have taken up the offer and boosted trade as a result.

He added: “There have not been any issues at all. The equipment has gone back in at night and there hasn’t been any trouble.

“With all that in mind, we’re comfortable in reducing the tariffs.

“The loss of money to the council is very small, weighed up against the benefits to businesses.

“As we’re approaching summer, customers clearly like it and the sitting-out areas are very popular.

“It benefits businesses and this will encourage more businesses to put chairs outside.”

Previously, businesses faced paying £595 for a 12-month licence, regardless of how many tables and chairs were put outside their shop, with a renewal costs at £167 a year.

The new calculations with see cafes pay just £122 a year if they put two tables outside, with the rates increasing on a sliding scale up to 16 tables, costing £572 per annum.

Alex McVey, owner of the Odessa Cafe, off Victoria Square, welcomed the change.

The shop has four tables outside which, Mr McVey says, also work as an advertisement to show that the cafe is open.

He added: “It’s crazy that we currently pay the same as Costa as they’ve got lots of seats expanding out into the square.

“We don’t actually get many people who want to sit outside, but it doesn’t help that the shop facing us is empty.

“All the right signs are that the council is pushing for an improvement in the town centre, and it’s the right way forward — but they’ve got to get pushing.”

WHAT do shoppers think about a cafe culture in Bolton town centre? Reporter Paddy Dinham spoke to shoppers in Victoria Square to get their views on the plans: Susan Wilkes, aged 45, from Sharples, thought it was a good idea.

She ssaid: “It brings business into the town and people will feel relaxed and comfortable.

“There’s already several coffee shops, so they might need to do something different to add some variety because they all do the same thing.”

Donna Smith, aged 26, from Adlington, said more cafes would make “a nice change to the pound shops”.

She added: “I always like going to independent places rather than big chains, so I think it would be nice to have a bit of choice.

“There’s plenty of open space. It would be nice to try it, but I’d be worried places would get vandalised.”

Rick Adamson, aged 79, from Deane, thought Bolton would benefit from the plans.

He said: “The cafes never seem to have many people in, but with more choice it could be a good idea.

“It would certainly liven the town centre up a bit. More cafes cannot be anything other than a good thing, I’m all for it.”

Tracy Baker, aged 37, from Great Lever, said: “I think it’s a good idea because, if it’s too hot, then people can sit outside and have something to eat or drink outside, rather than being stuck inside.

“I don’t really think bringing the European feeling to Bolton is realistic at all, though.”

Derek Gradwell, aged 42, from Westhoughton, said the plans sounded good — so long as it did not rain.

He added: “The very small percentage of the year that we don’t have rain in Bolton, it would be a good idea, but outside that short summer we have, I’m not entirely sure it would work.

“You might want the odd person wanting a smoke, but other than that its usage may be limited.”

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7:26am Thu 8 May 14

melloj says...

They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday. melloj
  • Score: 56

8:32am Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

They need to bring canopies for the tables so you are protected from the rain. Also if you want a cafe culture you should be able to sit outside in the evening as well.
They need to bring canopies for the tables so you are protected from the rain. Also if you want a cafe culture you should be able to sit outside in the evening as well. Ernagy2
  • Score: 50

8:42am Thu 8 May 14

Jim271 says...

The beggers and pickpockets will think its Christmas come early.
The beggers and pickpockets will think its Christmas come early. Jim271
  • Score: -31

8:44am Thu 8 May 14

atlas123 says...

European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans! atlas123
  • Score: 6

8:48am Thu 8 May 14

marco999 says...

It is a great idea and will do well on the 3 days of the year when it's warm and dry enough in Bolton to sit outside. The rest of the time they will be used by the fag ash brigade coughing and spluttering whilst slurping over priced coffee.
It is a great idea and will do well on the 3 days of the year when it's warm and dry enough in Bolton to sit outside. The rest of the time they will be used by the fag ash brigade coughing and spluttering whilst slurping over priced coffee. marco999
  • Score: 35

8:52am Thu 8 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Great!! more places for all the wet look and leather jacket wearing fonzies in their blue jeans and greasy slicked hair, smoking their cheap import fags all day long outside costa coffee cupping their crotches etc....
Great!! more places for all the wet look and leather jacket wearing fonzies in their blue jeans and greasy slicked hair, smoking their cheap import fags all day long outside costa coffee cupping their crotches etc.... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: -9

10:12am Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 20

10:17am Thu 8 May 14

Hectoriva says...

melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
[quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous! Hectoriva
  • Score: -15

10:20am Thu 8 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

The Righteous One wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
Shut up and go off to your illegal shisha smoking den!!! then give your wife a bit of belittlement, as you believe she is beneath you and not an equal then go to pizza express for your animal cruelty flavoured pizza, we're not real europeans just temporary visitors and soon enough we will be back to good old blighty. none of this is racism,prejudice or bigotry, purely the truth and reminiscing of the "good old days" and preferring the way things were is merely my preference!!.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!![/p][/quote]Shut up and go off to your illegal shisha smoking den!!! then give your wife a bit of belittlement, as you believe she is beneath you and not an equal then go to pizza express for your animal cruelty flavoured pizza, we're not real europeans just temporary visitors and soon enough we will be back to good old blighty. none of this is racism,prejudice or bigotry, purely the truth and reminiscing of the "good old days" and preferring the way things were is merely my preference!!. itsnotthatbad
  • Score: -27

10:22am Thu 8 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

The Righteous One wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
Shut up and go off to your illegal shisha smoking den!!! then give your wife a bit of belittlement, as you believe she is beneath you and not an equal then go to pizza express for your animal cruelty flavoured pizza, we're not real europeans just temporary visitors and soon enough we will be back to good old blighty. none of this is racism,prejudice or bigotry, purely the truth and reminiscing of the "good old days" and preferring the way things were is merely my preference!!.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!![/p][/quote]Shut up and go off to your illegal shisha smoking den!!! then give your wife a bit of belittlement, as you believe she is beneath you and not an equal then go to pizza express for your animal cruelty flavoured pizza, we're not real europeans just temporary visitors and soon enough we will be back to good old blighty. none of this is racism,prejudice or bigotry, purely the truth and reminiscing of the "good old days" and preferring the way things were is merely my preference!!. itsnotthatbad
  • Score: -22

10:22am Thu 8 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

More tables and chairs equals more purses and bags to thieve for our lovely EUROPEANS who will love the thought of this !!!
More tables and chairs equals more purses and bags to thieve for our lovely EUROPEANS who will love the thought of this !!! Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: -12

10:23am Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

It is a tad too late. I remember Bolton Council, at the time, wanting to turn Nelson Square into a "European" style café quarter and then before Nelson Square they were wanting to create a brand new "boulevard" as part of the Victoria Hall development that would have stretched between Deansgate and where Gregory & Porritts used to be, and lets not forget wanting to turn Churchgate into a "European" style quarter all with supposedly cafes that have tables and chairs outside.

What happened to all these ideas????

Fact is it is not going to be a success, no matter how cheap the licence is going to be our weather, to be fair, doesn't help!!! Yes it works on the continent because of what they do - outside heaters, canopies and actual extra staff to work the outside tables, the sort of things not one British company is willing to do because it costs money which means less profit and less dividends for their shareholders!!!!
It is a tad too late. I remember Bolton Council, at the time, wanting to turn Nelson Square into a "European" style café quarter and then before Nelson Square they were wanting to create a brand new "boulevard" as part of the Victoria Hall development that would have stretched between Deansgate and where Gregory & Porritts used to be, and lets not forget wanting to turn Churchgate into a "European" style quarter all with supposedly cafes that have tables and chairs outside. What happened to all these ideas???? Fact is it is not going to be a success, no matter how cheap the licence is going to be our weather, to be fair, doesn't help!!! Yes it works on the continent because of what they do - outside heaters, canopies and actual extra staff to work the outside tables, the sort of things not one British company is willing to do because it costs money which means less profit and less dividends for their shareholders!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 0

10:29am Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
Shut up and go off to your illegal shisha smoking den!!! then give your wife a bit of belittlement, as you believe she is beneath you and not an equal then go to pizza express for your animal cruelty flavoured pizza, we're not real europeans just temporary visitors and soon enough we will be back to good old blighty. none of this is racism,prejudice or bigotry, purely the truth and reminiscing of the "good old days" and preferring the way things were is merely my preference!!.
Are we not?

Check your passport - at the top it states EUROPEN UNION.

If we are not European then what are we considering to the west of us is Europe, to the north of is Europe, to the east of us is Europe and to the south of us is Europe. We are surrounded by other European countries!!!!

And your assumption that I am not white English born Boltonian is completely staggering and just shows how ignorant and racist you actually are! Do you not realise we have had non-white people in this country for well over 2000 years long before the Romans conquered our country!!!!

Look at the things that stay still and do not move with the times they die out!!! Look at the dinosaurs, the Romans, The British Empire - all stood still and died out because of lack of progress and advancement!

You ignorant racist fool!

(and before what you say wasn't racist - you made the implication that I wasn't and under the current English and Welsh racism laws that is illegal!)
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!![/p][/quote]Shut up and go off to your illegal shisha smoking den!!! then give your wife a bit of belittlement, as you believe she is beneath you and not an equal then go to pizza express for your animal cruelty flavoured pizza, we're not real europeans just temporary visitors and soon enough we will be back to good old blighty. none of this is racism,prejudice or bigotry, purely the truth and reminiscing of the "good old days" and preferring the way things were is merely my preference!!.[/p][/quote]Are we not? Check your passport - at the top it states EUROPEN UNION. If we are not European then what are we considering to the west of us is Europe, to the north of is Europe, to the east of us is Europe and to the south of us is Europe. We are surrounded by other European countries!!!! And your assumption that I am not white English born Boltonian is completely staggering and just shows how ignorant and racist you actually are! Do you not realise we have had non-white people in this country for well over 2000 years long before the Romans conquered our country!!!! Look at the things that stay still and do not move with the times they die out!!! Look at the dinosaurs, the Romans, The British Empire - all stood still and died out because of lack of progress and advancement! You ignorant racist fool! (and before what you say wasn't racist - you made the implication that I wasn't and under the current English and Welsh racism laws that is illegal!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

10:34am Thu 8 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

UKIP...:-)
UKIP...:-) Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: -12

10:36am Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
[quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg! The Righteous One
  • Score: -6

10:40am Thu 8 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
Shut up and go off to your illegal shisha smoking den!!! then give your wife a bit of belittlement, as you believe she is beneath you and not an equal then go to pizza express for your animal cruelty flavoured pizza, we're not real europeans just temporary visitors and soon enough we will be back to good old blighty. none of this is racism,prejudice or bigotry, purely the truth and reminiscing of the "good old days" and preferring the way things were is merely my preference!!.
Are we not?

Check your passport - at the top it states EUROPEN UNION.

If we are not European then what are we considering to the west of us is Europe, to the north of is Europe, to the east of us is Europe and to the south of us is Europe. We are surrounded by other European countries!!!!

And your assumption that I am not white English born Boltonian is completely staggering and just shows how ignorant and racist you actually are! Do you not realise we have had non-white people in this country for well over 2000 years long before the Romans conquered our country!!!!

Look at the things that stay still and do not move with the times they die out!!! Look at the dinosaurs, the Romans, The British Empire - all stood still and died out because of lack of progress and advancement!

You ignorant racist fool!

(and before what you say wasn't racist - you made the implication that I wasn't and under the current English and Welsh racism laws that is illegal!)
I've read numerous of your posts before righteous one... not saying anything about non-white people, merely commenting on different cultures... especially with myself being a lesbian of Caribbean descent!! we're just a tiny little island not joined to any other. hence not europe just visitors thanks to previous corrupt politicians! the country is not any good any more and this is due to the saturation of people only the corrupt wanted in!! i'm tolerant not ignorant or a fool, and this is going to far now, yes times change and change is good but changing from a once prosperous nation to a place that receives low lifes and jihadists and terrorists and war torn refugees, this is not improvement, just making the place to a hot bed of potential religious and sectarian warfare.

Also I like winding you up!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!![/p][/quote]Shut up and go off to your illegal shisha smoking den!!! then give your wife a bit of belittlement, as you believe she is beneath you and not an equal then go to pizza express for your animal cruelty flavoured pizza, we're not real europeans just temporary visitors and soon enough we will be back to good old blighty. none of this is racism,prejudice or bigotry, purely the truth and reminiscing of the "good old days" and preferring the way things were is merely my preference!!.[/p][/quote]Are we not? Check your passport - at the top it states EUROPEN UNION. If we are not European then what are we considering to the west of us is Europe, to the north of is Europe, to the east of us is Europe and to the south of us is Europe. We are surrounded by other European countries!!!! And your assumption that I am not white English born Boltonian is completely staggering and just shows how ignorant and racist you actually are! Do you not realise we have had non-white people in this country for well over 2000 years long before the Romans conquered our country!!!! Look at the things that stay still and do not move with the times they die out!!! Look at the dinosaurs, the Romans, The British Empire - all stood still and died out because of lack of progress and advancement! You ignorant racist fool! (and before what you say wasn't racist - you made the implication that I wasn't and under the current English and Welsh racism laws that is illegal!)[/p][/quote]I've read numerous of your posts before righteous one... not saying anything about non-white people, merely commenting on different cultures... especially with myself being a lesbian of Caribbean descent!! we're just a tiny little island not joined to any other. hence not europe just visitors thanks to previous corrupt politicians! the country is not any good any more and this is due to the saturation of people only the corrupt wanted in!! i'm tolerant not ignorant or a fool, and this is going to far now, yes times change and change is good but changing from a once prosperous nation to a place that receives low lifes and jihadists and terrorists and war torn refugees, this is not improvement, just making the place to a hot bed of potential religious and sectarian warfare. Also I like winding you up!! itsnotthatbad
  • Score: -12

10:59am Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up? Ernagy2
  • Score: 4

11:10am Thu 8 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans. Wolfie190
  • Score: 7

11:22am Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.
They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.[/p][/quote]They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits. Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

11:24am Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht.

I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht. I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

11:28am Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.
They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.
Agreed wwith bad English communications skills.

Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people!
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.[/p][/quote]They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.[/p][/quote]Agreed wwith bad English communications skills. Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people! The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

11:35am Thu 8 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.
They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.
Agreed wwith bad English communications skills.

Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people!
It's worth putting into practice: every little helps.
RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.[/p][/quote]They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.[/p][/quote]Agreed wwith bad English communications skills. Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people![/p][/quote]It's worth putting into practice: every little helps. RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 0

11:38am Thu 8 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
Good question. In previous posts he says he works for a law firm in Manchester.
Como on RO tell us the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]Good question. In previous posts he says he works for a law firm in Manchester. Como on RO tell us the truth. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -5

11:43am Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
No we are the doormat of Europe. We are not European but bullied politically to be part of an elitist system and geopolitical boundaries.

Did you once ever vote on being part of Europe in this so called Democracy?

I AM A HUMAN BEING - NOT A POLITICAL OR FICTITIOUS PAWN
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!![/p][/quote]No we are the doormat of Europe. We are not European but bullied politically to be part of an elitist system and geopolitical boundaries. Did you once ever vote on being part of Europe in this so called Democracy? I AM A HUMAN BEING - NOT A POLITICAL OR FICTITIOUS PAWN Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -5

11:49am Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
No we are the doormat of Europe. We are not European but bullied politically to be part of an elitist system and geopolitical boundaries.

Did you once ever vote on being part of Europe in this so called Democracy?

I AM A HUMAN BEING - NOT A POLITICAL OR FICTITIOUS PAWN
No I didn't have a vote of the EU, just as much as I have never had a vote on whether England should be shackled with Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, who take billions away from England so they can have free/near free education, free prescription, less council tax, better educational systems etc etc etc

But that is life - there are things you like and things you don't like.

Our relations in the 1970's voted to join the EEC understanding that more closer union would happen and would help the economy of our bankrupted country - which it has done! That I am thankful for, otherwise we would have done a Greece over 30 years ago!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!![/p][/quote]No we are the doormat of Europe. We are not European but bullied politically to be part of an elitist system and geopolitical boundaries. Did you once ever vote on being part of Europe in this so called Democracy? I AM A HUMAN BEING - NOT A POLITICAL OR FICTITIOUS PAWN[/p][/quote]No I didn't have a vote of the EU, just as much as I have never had a vote on whether England should be shackled with Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, who take billions away from England so they can have free/near free education, free prescription, less council tax, better educational systems etc etc etc But that is life - there are things you like and things you don't like. Our relations in the 1970's voted to join the EEC understanding that more closer union would happen and would help the economy of our bankrupted country - which it has done! That I am thankful for, otherwise we would have done a Greece over 30 years ago! The Righteous One
  • Score: 4

12:01pm Thu 8 May 14

Comment777 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
One definition of European:

a person who is white or of European parentage, esp. in a country with a large nonwhite population.

So I guess yes UK residents can be classed as European
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!![/p][/quote]One definition of European: a person who is white or of European parentage, esp. in a country with a large nonwhite population. So I guess yes UK residents can be classed as European Comment777
  • Score: -6

12:12pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
Good question. In previous posts he says he works for a law firm in Manchester.
Como on RO tell us the truth.
So I am not allowed to work for a law firm in Manchester as well as having my own business?

That is a first

Considering I have never hid the fact of either, neither have I hid the fact that I do take plenty of time off from my job to help with my business in The Netherlands, which is now diminishing due to the fact I have hired someone to help me (whilst I was there between 26 April and 30 April which also saw me sign a Power of Attorney to look after my affairs over there) - but I still have a large input!

As I say nothing new and never hidden the facts either!

But what I will say is that working for a law form one can see the HUGE differences between the laws and regulations between the UK and most other European countries and we are definitely one of the worst for red tape!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]Good question. In previous posts he says he works for a law firm in Manchester. Como on RO tell us the truth.[/p][/quote]So I am not allowed to work for a law firm in Manchester as well as having my own business? That is a first Considering I have never hid the fact of either, neither have I hid the fact that I do take plenty of time off from my job to help with my business in The Netherlands, which is now diminishing due to the fact I have hired someone to help me (whilst I was there between 26 April and 30 April which also saw me sign a Power of Attorney to look after my affairs over there) - but I still have a large input! As I say nothing new and never hidden the facts either! But what I will say is that working for a law form one can see the HUGE differences between the laws and regulations between the UK and most other European countries and we are definitely one of the worst for red tape! The Righteous One
  • Score: -16

12:15pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.
They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.
Agreed wwith bad English communications skills.

Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people!
It's worth putting into practice: every little helps.
RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.
Spelling mistakes or bad typing.

Considering typing is NOT taught at schools, and I have always been top of the class for spelling, it seems the two do not always interact. And as I do not preview my posts and there is no spell-checker on this website then typing errors will, and do, occur!

It is those who comment of the typing errors that have a social problem, I do believe!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.[/p][/quote]They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.[/p][/quote]Agreed wwith bad English communications skills. Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people![/p][/quote]It's worth putting into practice: every little helps. RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.[/p][/quote]Spelling mistakes or bad typing. Considering typing is NOT taught at schools, and I have always been top of the class for spelling, it seems the two do not always interact. And as I do not preview my posts and there is no spell-checker on this website then typing errors will, and do, occur! It is those who comment of the typing errors that have a social problem, I do believe! The Righteous One
  • Score: 13

12:15pm Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht.

I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!!
Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems?

I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'.

Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht. I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!![/p][/quote]Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems? I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'. Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury! Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

12:19pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Randolf Litler !!! wrote:
UKIP...:-)
Is this the same UKIP that employs a German to be the leaders Personal Assistant, because Farage believes that no British person is good enough to do the job; and also employs European migrants to post their campaign leaflets because they couldn't find any British person to do it on the wage they were offering?
[quote][p][bold]Randolf Litler !!![/bold] wrote: UKIP...:-)[/p][/quote]Is this the same UKIP that employs a German to be the leaders Personal Assistant, because Farage believes that no British person is good enough to do the job; and also employs European migrants to post their campaign leaflets because they couldn't find any British person to do it on the wage they were offering? The Righteous One
  • Score: 10

12:24pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Yes US!!

WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!!
No we are the doormat of Europe. We are not European but bullied politically to be part of an elitist system and geopolitical boundaries.

Did you once ever vote on being part of Europe in this so called Democracy?

I AM A HUMAN BEING - NOT A POLITICAL OR FICTITIOUS PAWN
No I didn't have a vote of the EU, just as much as I have never had a vote on whether England should be shackled with Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, who take billions away from England so they can have free/near free education, free prescription, less council tax, better educational systems etc etc etc

But that is life - there are things you like and things you don't like.

Our relations in the 1970's voted to join the EEC understanding that more closer union would happen and would help the economy of our bankrupted country - which it has done! That I am thankful for, otherwise we would have done a Greece over 30 years ago!
And the just deserts of true Democracy flourish eh TRO?

The truth of the matter is that the elitist scumbags caused and deserved there bankrupt economy because of there stupid foreign policy, no matter whether the elitist idiocracy was Austrian, Hungarian, German, British, French or flaming American.

The EEC was a huge failure, and it wasn't their money to pi$$ away on their stupid wars and dodgy investments, nor was it yours or our fault that these elitists screwed everything up, but hey who are we to complain we are only the paupers in their eyes - tools of the system, the underlings that mean nothing but economics in their stupid games.

Europe? Don't make me laugh - it is a fictitious entity that is fictitious property of the elites like 'your law books'. Borders and laws designed to control the little man and keep the elite in their big houses, driving fast cars and continually sucking the life out of the 'common person'.

Europe does not exist just as much as Great Britain does not exist, nor does the USA, Canada or Africa. These are fictions that have been fed into your brainwashed head for centuries by those who wish to control you.

And BTW... you really do not want to go to Greece, that place has been screwed over by Germany (another fictitious entity) and the EU (another fictitious entity) for years.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Yes US!! WE ARE EUROPEAN as our country is in the continent of Europe!!!![/p][/quote]No we are the doormat of Europe. We are not European but bullied politically to be part of an elitist system and geopolitical boundaries. Did you once ever vote on being part of Europe in this so called Democracy? I AM A HUMAN BEING - NOT A POLITICAL OR FICTITIOUS PAWN[/p][/quote]No I didn't have a vote of the EU, just as much as I have never had a vote on whether England should be shackled with Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, who take billions away from England so they can have free/near free education, free prescription, less council tax, better educational systems etc etc etc But that is life - there are things you like and things you don't like. Our relations in the 1970's voted to join the EEC understanding that more closer union would happen and would help the economy of our bankrupted country - which it has done! That I am thankful for, otherwise we would have done a Greece over 30 years ago![/p][/quote]And the just deserts of true Democracy flourish eh TRO? The truth of the matter is that the elitist scumbags caused and deserved there bankrupt economy because of there stupid foreign policy, no matter whether the elitist idiocracy was Austrian, Hungarian, German, British, French or flaming American. The EEC was a huge failure, and it wasn't their money to pi$$ away on their stupid wars and dodgy investments, nor was it yours or our fault that these elitists screwed everything up, but hey who are we to complain we are only the paupers in their eyes - tools of the system, the underlings that mean nothing but economics in their stupid games. Europe? Don't make me laugh - it is a fictitious entity that is fictitious property of the elites like 'your law books'. Borders and laws designed to control the little man and keep the elite in their big houses, driving fast cars and continually sucking the life out of the 'common person'. Europe does not exist just as much as Great Britain does not exist, nor does the USA, Canada or Africa. These are fictions that have been fed into your brainwashed head for centuries by those who wish to control you. And BTW... you really do not want to go to Greece, that place has been screwed over by Germany (another fictitious entity) and the EU (another fictitious entity) for years. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -10

12:25pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Their *facepalm* Proof read - edit button pls BN!
Their *facepalm* Proof read - edit button pls BN! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

12:29pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht.

I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!!
Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems?

I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'.

Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury!
But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable!
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht. I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!![/p][/quote]Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems? I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'. Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury![/p][/quote]But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -6

12:33pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

But Beyonddid you know that the laws are different in Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland from England?

Thus showing that there is NO common EU law, as you seems to suggest.

Next you will be saying that Brussels brought in the anti-smoking laws, considering that each country have their own variations (even in the UK each nation have different laws) and no such common law as some EU countries don't even have a smoking ban!

Like I say its about time you know what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
But Beyonddid you know that the laws are different in Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland from England? Thus showing that there is NO common EU law, as you seems to suggest. Next you will be saying that Brussels brought in the anti-smoking laws, considering that each country have their own variations (even in the UK each nation have different laws) and no such common law as some EU countries don't even have a smoking ban! Like I say its about time you know what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg! The Righteous One
  • Score: 7

12:36pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht.

I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!!
Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems?

I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'.

Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury!
But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable!
What do you mean by Europe? Do you mean the continent or the EU?

Because if you mean the EU then you are wrong in saying that England is in the EU, when in fact it is the United Kingdom. Hence the problem Scotland will shortly have, if they separate from the UK, as Scotland is NOT part of the EU and would have to apply to join!!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht. I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!![/p][/quote]Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems? I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'. Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury![/p][/quote]But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable![/p][/quote]What do you mean by Europe? Do you mean the continent or the EU? Because if you mean the EU then you are wrong in saying that England is in the EU, when in fact it is the United Kingdom. Hence the problem Scotland will shortly have, if they separate from the UK, as Scotland is NOT part of the EU and would have to apply to join!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -43

12:36pm Thu 8 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.
They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.
Agreed wwith bad English communications skills.

Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people!
It's worth putting into practice: every little helps.
RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.
Spelling mistakes or bad typing.

Considering typing is NOT taught at schools, and I have always been top of the class for spelling, it seems the two do not always interact. And as I do not preview my posts and there is no spell-checker on this website then typing errors will, and do, occur!

It is those who comment of the typing errors that have a social problem, I do believe!
And is commenting on the communication skills of those two lads not a social problem for you then?
BTW a spell checker does work on here.
I remember from previous posts of yours that you claimed to be dyslexic - and you came top of the class for spelling? Oh what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.[/p][/quote]They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.[/p][/quote]Agreed wwith bad English communications skills. Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people![/p][/quote]It's worth putting into practice: every little helps. RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.[/p][/quote]Spelling mistakes or bad typing. Considering typing is NOT taught at schools, and I have always been top of the class for spelling, it seems the two do not always interact. And as I do not preview my posts and there is no spell-checker on this website then typing errors will, and do, occur! It is those who comment of the typing errors that have a social problem, I do believe![/p][/quote]And is commenting on the communication skills of those two lads not a social problem for you then? BTW a spell checker does work on here. I remember from previous posts of yours that you claimed to be dyslexic - and you came top of the class for spelling? Oh what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive! Thatissowrong
  • Score: 27

12:38pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Randolf Litler !!! wrote:
UKIP...:-)
Is this the same UKIP that employs a German to be the leaders Personal Assistant, because Farage believes that no British person is good enough to do the job; and also employs European migrants to post their campaign leaflets because they couldn't find any British person to do it on the wage they were offering?
A bit like the Germans in the Royal Family???

Look UKIP are not racist, nor are they Islamophobic, nor are they totally against immigration - these are myths.

What UKIP wish to achieve is a viable and sustainable method of managing immigration instead of the free for all that is currently happening.

Nobody in UKIP has come out and stated flat out that immigrants should leave the day after they become elected, but rather hold onto our country's values (even if they are another fiction).

I won't be voting UKIP, ConDem or Liebore BTW. But I do see through the BS spouted by the mainstream media and the political spin doctors.

Yes UKIP have had a few members spout some obscenities, that which is being chastised by its leader Farage. But nothing is as racist or as much of a religious ideology than straight out flattening a country with bombs and destroying its political system in the name of corporate greed, NATIONAL SECURITY or political gain - something our elitist government has been doing for quite some time now. It makes no sense to oust the leader of a country for allegedly killing 5000 Iraqis but then causing the deaths of 1-million themselves (USA, UK and others).

Politics... it is all BS!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randolf Litler !!![/bold] wrote: UKIP...:-)[/p][/quote]Is this the same UKIP that employs a German to be the leaders Personal Assistant, because Farage believes that no British person is good enough to do the job; and also employs European migrants to post their campaign leaflets because they couldn't find any British person to do it on the wage they were offering?[/p][/quote]A bit like the Germans in the Royal Family??? Look UKIP are not racist, nor are they Islamophobic, nor are they totally against immigration - these are myths. What UKIP wish to achieve is a viable and sustainable method of managing immigration instead of the free for all that is currently happening. Nobody in UKIP has come out and stated flat out that immigrants should leave the day after they become elected, but rather hold onto our country's values (even if they are another fiction). I won't be voting UKIP, ConDem or Liebore BTW. But I do see through the BS spouted by the mainstream media and the political spin doctors. Yes UKIP have had a few members spout some obscenities, that which is being chastised by its leader Farage. But nothing is as racist or as much of a religious ideology than straight out flattening a country with bombs and destroying its political system in the name of corporate greed, NATIONAL SECURITY or political gain - something our elitist government has been doing for quite some time now. It makes no sense to oust the leader of a country for allegedly killing 5000 Iraqis but then causing the deaths of 1-million themselves (USA, UK and others). Politics... it is all BS! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -3

12:40pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
But Beyonddid you know that the laws are different in Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland from England?

Thus showing that there is NO common EU law, as you seems to suggest.

Next you will be saying that Brussels brought in the anti-smoking laws, considering that each country have their own variations (even in the UK each nation have different laws) and no such common law as some EU countries don't even have a smoking ban!

Like I say its about time you know what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
I'm not suggesting anything as such. I know full well that the laws are twisted to suit the various elites. But hey this is Europe where everybody lives under one European flag.

You are a clever guy/woman - you know full well that what you are defending is undefendable. So is its laws and arbitration.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But Beyonddid you know that the laws are different in Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland from England? Thus showing that there is NO common EU law, as you seems to suggest. Next you will be saying that Brussels brought in the anti-smoking laws, considering that each country have their own variations (even in the UK each nation have different laws) and no such common law as some EU countries don't even have a smoking ban! Like I say its about time you know what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting anything as such. I know full well that the laws are twisted to suit the various elites. But hey this is Europe where everybody lives under one European flag. You are a clever guy/woman - you know full well that what you are defending is undefendable. So is its laws and arbitration. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Thu 8 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

I thought TRO was from halliwell......law firm yeah right, probably someone with social issues living with his mum still.... lawyers would not talk or act like you unless the law firm job was actually post boy or cleaner.....TROLL who I like to annoy!!
I thought TRO was from halliwell......law firm yeah right, probably someone with social issues living with his mum still.... lawyers would not talk or act like you unless the law firm job was actually post boy or cleaner.....TROLL who I like to annoy!! itsnotthatbad
  • Score: -2

12:47pm Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht.

I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!!
Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems?

I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'.

Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury!
But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable!
/not quite sure what you are getting at, Beyond News Forum. Which fiction are you talking about? I do appreciate the 'Righteous One' whoever he or she maybe isn't universally liked on here, but have I offended you?
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht. I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!![/p][/quote]Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems? I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'. Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury![/p][/quote]But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable![/p][/quote]/not quite sure what you are getting at, Beyond News Forum. Which fiction are you talking about? I do appreciate the 'Righteous One' whoever he or she maybe isn't universally liked on here, but have I offended you? Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

12:50pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht.

I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!!
Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems?

I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'.

Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury!
But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable!
What do you mean by Europe? Do you mean the continent or the EU?

Because if you mean the EU then you are wrong in saying that England is in the EU, when in fact it is the United Kingdom. Hence the problem Scotland will shortly have, if they separate from the UK, as Scotland is NOT part of the EU and would have to apply to join!!
Both entities are are a fiction. EU and Europe. As are the countries that are control centrally or via the European parliament.

I care not for what Scotland does, Wales or N. Ireland. It is what happens globally that stinks, not just the EU, Europe, China, Russia or where ever. What bugs the shyte out of me is the way the elites run amok with this supposed power to do what they want over us.

I am not saying there should not be law, as society and humans would just revert back to being apes (actually apes are better behaved). But a fair and just system should be applied and not one rule for one and one rule for another, where money controls your lawful state and your behavior towards your fellow man and woman, towards another country (fiction).
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht. I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!![/p][/quote]Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems? I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'. Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury![/p][/quote]But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable![/p][/quote]What do you mean by Europe? Do you mean the continent or the EU? Because if you mean the EU then you are wrong in saying that England is in the EU, when in fact it is the United Kingdom. Hence the problem Scotland will shortly have, if they separate from the UK, as Scotland is NOT part of the EU and would have to apply to join!![/p][/quote]Both entities are are a fiction. EU and Europe. As are the countries that are control centrally or via the European parliament. I care not for what Scotland does, Wales or N. Ireland. It is what happens globally that stinks, not just the EU, Europe, China, Russia or where ever. What bugs the shyte out of me is the way the elites run amok with this supposed power to do what they want over us. I am not saying there should not be law, as society and humans would just revert back to being apes (actually apes are better behaved). But a fair and just system should be applied and not one rule for one and one rule for another, where money controls your lawful state and your behavior towards your fellow man and woman, towards another country (fiction). Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -6

12:53pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But Beyonddid you know that the laws are different in Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland from England?

Thus showing that there is NO common EU law, as you seems to suggest.

Next you will be saying that Brussels brought in the anti-smoking laws, considering that each country have their own variations (even in the UK each nation have different laws) and no such common law as some EU countries don't even have a smoking ban!

Like I say its about time you know what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
I'm not suggesting anything as such. I know full well that the laws are twisted to suit the various elites. But hey this is Europe where everybody lives under one European flag.

You are a clever guy/woman - you know full well that what you are defending is undefendable. So is its laws and arbitration.
Fact is there is NO common EU law as you are suggesting as the laws are done locally - i.e Westminster.

Even Nigel Farage admits that many laws are still done at Westminster so for you to suggest otherwise is fruitless!!! If it was the case then why are the laws different, and not exactly the same as in all other EU laws?

The fact is, you cannot make a case to say so because you know that I am telling the truth and that your scaremongering tactics have been ripped to shreds, yet again!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But Beyonddid you know that the laws are different in Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland from England? Thus showing that there is NO common EU law, as you seems to suggest. Next you will be saying that Brussels brought in the anti-smoking laws, considering that each country have their own variations (even in the UK each nation have different laws) and no such common law as some EU countries don't even have a smoking ban! Like I say its about time you know what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting anything as such. I know full well that the laws are twisted to suit the various elites. But hey this is Europe where everybody lives under one European flag. You are a clever guy/woman - you know full well that what you are defending is undefendable. So is its laws and arbitration.[/p][/quote]Fact is there is NO common EU law as you are suggesting as the laws are done locally - i.e Westminster. Even Nigel Farage admits that many laws are still done at Westminster so for you to suggest otherwise is fruitless!!! If it was the case then why are the laws different, and not exactly the same as in all other EU laws? The fact is, you cannot make a case to say so because you know that I am telling the truth and that your scaremongering tactics have been ripped to shreds, yet again! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

12:56pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht.

I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!!
Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems?

I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'.

Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury!
But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable!
/not quite sure what you are getting at, Beyond News Forum. Which fiction are you talking about? I do appreciate the 'Righteous One' whoever he or she maybe isn't universally liked on here, but have I offended you?
No you have not :) I find what you said to be quite in situ with what I am trying to say about the one rule for one and one rule for another in the system that the people believe to be Europe or should I say the EU.

Red tape ;) I mean either the government is in the EU, Europe or not. They pick and choose from their fictitious laws when it suits, fight amongst themselves in Westminster and keep there elitist friends happy in the business sense. It is the small business that built this economy and it is the small business that will save this economy (fiction).

The corporations just want their wars for growth.... sorry Germany being easier to set up business. Well if the government fictitious entity wanted to truly compete and better the so called EU and the rest of the world then the red tape would be cut.

;)
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht. I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!![/p][/quote]Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems? I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'. Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury![/p][/quote]But hey Germany is in Europe right? As is England? Yet the fictions are completely muddled. Laughable![/p][/quote]/not quite sure what you are getting at, Beyond News Forum. Which fiction are you talking about? I do appreciate the 'Righteous One' whoever he or she maybe isn't universally liked on here, but have I offended you?[/p][/quote]No you have not :) I find what you said to be quite in situ with what I am trying to say about the one rule for one and one rule for another in the system that the people believe to be Europe or should I say the EU. Red tape ;) I mean either the government is in the EU, Europe or not. They pick and choose from their fictitious laws when it suits, fight amongst themselves in Westminster and keep there elitist friends happy in the business sense. It is the small business that built this economy and it is the small business that will save this economy (fiction). The corporations just want their wars for growth.... sorry Germany being easier to set up business. Well if the government fictitious entity wanted to truly compete and better the so called EU and the rest of the world then the red tape would be cut. ;) Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -5

1:02pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But Beyonddid you know that the laws are different in Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland from England?

Thus showing that there is NO common EU law, as you seems to suggest.

Next you will be saying that Brussels brought in the anti-smoking laws, considering that each country have their own variations (even in the UK each nation have different laws) and no such common law as some EU countries don't even have a smoking ban!

Like I say its about time you know what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
I'm not suggesting anything as such. I know full well that the laws are twisted to suit the various elites. But hey this is Europe where everybody lives under one European flag.

You are a clever guy/woman - you know full well that what you are defending is undefendable. So is its laws and arbitration.
Fact is there is NO common EU law as you are suggesting as the laws are done locally - i.e Westminster.

Even Nigel Farage admits that many laws are still done at Westminster so for you to suggest otherwise is fruitless!!! If it was the case then why are the laws different, and not exactly the same as in all other EU laws?

The fact is, you cannot make a case to say so because you know that I am telling the truth and that your scaremongering tactics have been ripped to shreds, yet again!
You think Westminster is in control, or Farage tells the truth as with any other politician?

I am not talking about law... I am talking about a fiction, a fictitious society and the fictions within government designed to make you think they are fact. Something that has simply gone over your head because you are too blind to see the truth.

Carry on, CONFORM, CONTROL, CONSUME!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But Beyonddid you know that the laws are different in Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland from England? Thus showing that there is NO common EU law, as you seems to suggest. Next you will be saying that Brussels brought in the anti-smoking laws, considering that each country have their own variations (even in the UK each nation have different laws) and no such common law as some EU countries don't even have a smoking ban! Like I say its about time you know what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting anything as such. I know full well that the laws are twisted to suit the various elites. But hey this is Europe where everybody lives under one European flag. You are a clever guy/woman - you know full well that what you are defending is undefendable. So is its laws and arbitration.[/p][/quote]Fact is there is NO common EU law as you are suggesting as the laws are done locally - i.e Westminster. Even Nigel Farage admits that many laws are still done at Westminster so for you to suggest otherwise is fruitless!!! If it was the case then why are the laws different, and not exactly the same as in all other EU laws? The fact is, you cannot make a case to say so because you know that I am telling the truth and that your scaremongering tactics have been ripped to shreds, yet again![/p][/quote]You think Westminster is in control, or Farage tells the truth as with any other politician? I am not talking about law... I am talking about a fiction, a fictitious society and the fictions within government designed to make you think they are fact. Something that has simply gone over your head because you are too blind to see the truth. Carry on, CONFORM, CONTROL, CONSUME! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -5

1:16pm Thu 8 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Randolf Litler !!! wrote:
UKIP...:-)
Is this the same UKIP that employs a German to be the leaders Personal Assistant, because Farage believes that no British person is good enough to do the job; and also employs European migrants to post their campaign leaflets because they couldn't find any British person to do it on the wage they were offering?
Yes well done they are the ones... anyway my vote was sent off in the post on tuesday, you still have time to vote for them too :-) or the BNP
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randolf Litler !!![/bold] wrote: UKIP...:-)[/p][/quote]Is this the same UKIP that employs a German to be the leaders Personal Assistant, because Farage believes that no British person is good enough to do the job; and also employs European migrants to post their campaign leaflets because they couldn't find any British person to do it on the wage they were offering?[/p][/quote]Yes well done they are the ones... anyway my vote was sent off in the post on tuesday, you still have time to vote for them too :-) or the BNP Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: -3

1:19pm Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Hectoriva wrote:
melloj wrote:
They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.
EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous!
No it hasn't

Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside?

The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!!

There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!!

So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg!
Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?
In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht.

I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!!
Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems?

I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'.

Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury!
Just to add righteous one - now's the time to complain (about red tape) to Councillors and MP's, with local, European and being twelve months away from a general election. Particularly now that the Councillors want to create this 'cafe' culture.

I'd like to see it extend past 5 o'clock - and yes have something in the Town Centre for people to enjoy.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: They make you pay for this?? For the love of god! My friend recently started his own business you wouldn't believe the hoops your made to jump through. its not surprising many small business don't see their first birthday.[/p][/quote]EU legislation cripples small and start up businesses, the council charge for it because there is EU legislation which governs the use of public highways for trade & consumption. its ridiculous![/p][/quote]No it hasn't Has the EU demanded that Bolton charge businesses for the tables and chairs to be placed outside? The fact is 85% of the red tape for small businesses in this country has NOT come from Brussels but from Westminster! Otherwise why is it that Cameron can say that he can remove most of the red tape to help small businesses. In fact the majority of the red tape stems from Victorian times which has never been repealed and is actually damaging the economy - and if I remember well the EEC didn't actually exist until 1957 and we didn't join the EEC until 1973 when the majority of our business laws were already in place!!! There is NO legislation regarding public highways for trade as each EU country have different laws. I know that for a fact because of the business I own in The Netherlands and whilst I have tried to start a business up over here and didn't in the end because of the British red tape and actually looking to starting up in Germany because its easier than here!!! So its about time you get your facts right about what comes from Westminster and what comes from Brussels/Strasbourg![/p][/quote]Out of curiosity what red tape? and what businesses have you tried to set up?[/p][/quote]In The Netherlands I have set up a holding business which owns 4 café-bars in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and currently looking at a place in Utrecht. I have tried to open more European style café (without the alcohol licence as that would cost extortionate fees) in Bolton, the old Olive Press building on Nelson Square, and the hops one has to jump through just for the building never mind in wanting outside chairs and tables which is just unbelievable. Licences for this that and the other never mind the amount of paperwork required in setting up the business, the paperwork required for hiring staff and all the various tax and National Insurance contributions that are required to be done. In the end I gave up and started looking elsewhere in the EU and as I say now looking towards Germany as their laws and paperwork are nowhere near as bad as here - I thought the paperwork in The Nettherlands was bad but ours is just over the top and many of it is duplicate but needs to be done because of the various departments/quangos one has to work with!!![/p][/quote]Have you been in touch with the Councillors and your MP about the problems? I have to say, when people complain about red tape, often it's something to do with the disability discrimination law, i.e. requiring a ramp for access to a shop for a wheel chair bound person or another health and safety law that protects citizens - I even had a friend who complained about this, but his reaction was completely different when he broke his leg on a job. So I'm always quite dubious when someone moans about 'red tape'. Businesses often complain that it's easier to set up in Germany, however often for the worker in this country it's a good thing, i.e. saving people from permanent injury![/p][/quote]Just to add righteous one - now's the time to complain (about red tape) to Councillors and MP's, with local, European and being twelve months away from a general election. Particularly now that the Councillors want to create this 'cafe' culture. I'd like to see it extend past 5 o'clock - and yes have something in the Town Centre for people to enjoy. Ernagy2
  • Score: 9

1:24pm Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

By the way, perhaps the lass on the left of the picture is praying for a lottery win? or to get her mate to put her feet of the chair - bad manners that, can't believe a woman would do that. Bad enough blokes doing it.
By the way, perhaps the lass on the left of the picture is praying for a lottery win? or to get her mate to put her feet of the chair - bad manners that, can't believe a woman would do that. Bad enough blokes doing it. Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

1:29pm Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

It would be a change if these cafe bars sold wine as well as tea and coffee like you would get on the continent. By the way, rain doesn't stop people from drinking coffee or wine on the continent, why does it stop Brits from drinking outside here? They just put canopies up on the continent.
It would be a change if these cafe bars sold wine as well as tea and coffee like you would get on the continent. By the way, rain doesn't stop people from drinking coffee or wine on the continent, why does it stop Brits from drinking outside here? They just put canopies up on the continent. Ernagy2
  • Score: 9

1:36pm Thu 8 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
It would be a change if these cafe bars sold wine as well as tea and coffee like you would get on the continent. By the way, rain doesn't stop people from drinking coffee or wine on the continent, why does it stop Brits from drinking outside here? They just put canopies up on the continent.
I'd like to see more terraced cafe bars and a newer modernised town centre that looks in tune with the 21st century and not post-1980 architecture.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: It would be a change if these cafe bars sold wine as well as tea and coffee like you would get on the continent. By the way, rain doesn't stop people from drinking coffee or wine on the continent, why does it stop Brits from drinking outside here? They just put canopies up on the continent.[/p][/quote]I'd like to see more terraced cafe bars and a newer modernised town centre that looks in tune with the 21st century and not post-1980 architecture. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 6

1:53pm Thu 8 May 14

Diamonintherough says...

Sorry there was so many comments to read through i couldn't remember the ones who said it so putting you was just easier.
Sorry there was so many comments to read through i couldn't remember the ones who said it so putting you was just easier. Diamonintherough
  • Score: -1

2:12pm Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

Diamonintherough wrote:
Sorry there was so many comments to read through i couldn't remember the ones who said it so putting you was just easier.
That's okay.
[quote][p][bold]Diamonintherough[/bold] wrote: Sorry there was so many comments to read through i couldn't remember the ones who said it so putting you was just easier.[/p][/quote]That's okay. Ernagy2
  • Score: -1

2:16pm Thu 8 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
It would be a change if these cafe bars sold wine as well as tea and coffee like you would get on the continent. By the way, rain doesn't stop people from drinking coffee or wine on the continent, why does it stop Brits from drinking outside here? They just put canopies up on the continent.
I'd like to see more terraced cafe bars and a newer modernised town centre that looks in tune with the 21st century and not post-1980 architecture.
I'd like to see people served at the table, for their alcohol rather than go to a bar as is tradition in England. I'm sure this would control the violence in the long run.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: It would be a change if these cafe bars sold wine as well as tea and coffee like you would get on the continent. By the way, rain doesn't stop people from drinking coffee or wine on the continent, why does it stop Brits from drinking outside here? They just put canopies up on the continent.[/p][/quote]I'd like to see more terraced cafe bars and a newer modernised town centre that looks in tune with the 21st century and not post-1980 architecture.[/p][/quote]I'd like to see people served at the table, for their alcohol rather than go to a bar as is tradition in England. I'm sure this would control the violence in the long run. Ernagy2
  • Score: 5

2:31pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.
They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.
Agreed wwith bad English communications skills.

Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people!
It's worth putting into practice: every little helps.
RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.
Spelling mistakes or bad typing.

Considering typing is NOT taught at schools, and I have always been top of the class for spelling, it seems the two do not always interact. And as I do not preview my posts and there is no spell-checker on this website then typing errors will, and do, occur!

It is those who comment of the typing errors that have a social problem, I do believe!
And is commenting on the communication skills of those two lads not a social problem for you then?
BTW a spell checker does work on here.
I remember from previous posts of yours that you claimed to be dyslexic - and you came top of the class for spelling? Oh what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive!
Lies????

There is a difference between spelling out loud and writing?

Unless, of course, you don't know the difference.

You never had a spelling test where you had to spell the words out loud?

I have not deceived anyone, but as your past incarnations have done, you have twisted another thread to dicuss my life. guess what this thread is about the café culture and that is all. If you want to discuss my life, then why not meet me to discuss it face to face, or are you just a keyboard warrior? I am ready and willing to meet and discuss - are you?

Fact is I know you wont, thus showing what a false person you actually are, and just all talk and no action!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.[/p][/quote]They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.[/p][/quote]Agreed wwith bad English communications skills. Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people![/p][/quote]It's worth putting into practice: every little helps. RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.[/p][/quote]Spelling mistakes or bad typing. Considering typing is NOT taught at schools, and I have always been top of the class for spelling, it seems the two do not always interact. And as I do not preview my posts and there is no spell-checker on this website then typing errors will, and do, occur! It is those who comment of the typing errors that have a social problem, I do believe![/p][/quote]And is commenting on the communication skills of those two lads not a social problem for you then? BTW a spell checker does work on here. I remember from previous posts of yours that you claimed to be dyslexic - and you came top of the class for spelling? Oh what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive![/p][/quote]Lies???? There is a difference between spelling out loud and writing? Unless, of course, you don't know the difference. You never had a spelling test where you had to spell the words out loud? I have not deceived anyone, but as your past incarnations have done, you have twisted another thread to dicuss my life. guess what this thread is about the café culture and that is all. If you want to discuss my life, then why not meet me to discuss it face to face, or are you just a keyboard warrior? I am ready and willing to meet and discuss - are you? Fact is I know you wont, thus showing what a false person you actually are, and just all talk and no action! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

2:35pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Randolf Litler !!! wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Randolf Litler !!! wrote:
UKIP...:-)
Is this the same UKIP that employs a German to be the leaders Personal Assistant, because Farage believes that no British person is good enough to do the job; and also employs European migrants to post their campaign leaflets because they couldn't find any British person to do it on the wage they were offering?
Yes well done they are the ones... anyway my vote was sent off in the post on tuesday, you still have time to vote for them too :-) or the BNP
Why should I vote for UKIP who promise to give the British voice back in Europe by taking us out, if thy every got into power at Westminster, and by not going to Brussels thus making sure we don't have a voice whatsoever!!!!!

UKIP the party that gives in to the EU because they don't go to give the people's concerns and queries!
[quote][p][bold]Randolf Litler !!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randolf Litler !!![/bold] wrote: UKIP...:-)[/p][/quote]Is this the same UKIP that employs a German to be the leaders Personal Assistant, because Farage believes that no British person is good enough to do the job; and also employs European migrants to post their campaign leaflets because they couldn't find any British person to do it on the wage they were offering?[/p][/quote]Yes well done they are the ones... anyway my vote was sent off in the post on tuesday, you still have time to vote for them too :-) or the BNP[/p][/quote]Why should I vote for UKIP who promise to give the British voice back in Europe by taking us out, if thy every got into power at Westminster, and by not going to Brussels thus making sure we don't have a voice whatsoever!!!!! UKIP the party that gives in to the EU because they don't go to give the people's concerns and queries! The Righteous One
  • Score: -24

2:36pm Thu 8 May 14

Jim271 says...

Can we have European Alcohol and Tabacco Prices seeing as we are European.

Or is the EU just a big con used by Big Business to bring in cheap labour to be housed by the British Taxpayer???
Can we have European Alcohol and Tabacco Prices seeing as we are European. Or is the EU just a big con used by Big Business to bring in cheap labour to be housed by the British Taxpayer??? Jim271
  • Score: -10

2:51pm Thu 8 May 14

Jim271 says...

According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people.


Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday.

Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.
According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people. Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday. Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish. Jim271
  • Score: 28

3:16pm Thu 8 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

Jim271 wrote:
According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people.


Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday.

Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.
East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people. Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday. Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.[/p][/quote]East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people. Wolfie190
  • Score: 2

3:43pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people.


Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday.

Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.
East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.
What a load of codswallop!!!!

So what about the brutal murders that British people do overseas - why haven't you mentioned that? Or what about the brutal murders done by British under the "Hate Crime" laws in this country?

Fact is there are good and bad people no matter where you are - it is how people are policed and legally treated that matters and Britain is a soft-case thanks to the softies in the 1960's and 1970's - long before any interference by the EU and/or ECHR. In fact the EU and ECHR have toughened up quite a few of our laws, just people don't realise it!!!

In fact I know about 8 years ago The Dutch police sentenced a British man to Life (which does mean life) for the brutal murder of a German (axe through the head) in an Amsterdam hostel. There was also the case of a Flevoland serial killer which turned out to be a British man who had murdered 7 Dutch women!!!!!

If you want to check out the low life then go to Top O'th Brow, Johnson Fold, Breightmet and many other area and guess what they are British white citizens and committing crimes in higher numbers and worse than many of the EU visitors!!! A perfect example being a 86 year old British man who was charged with the murder of his 75 year neighbour, only a couple of months ago - and that was featured in the BN (ages may be slightly wrong but they were both retired) and that was in Breightmet!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people. Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday. Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.[/p][/quote]East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.[/p][/quote]What a load of codswallop!!!! So what about the brutal murders that British people do overseas - why haven't you mentioned that? Or what about the brutal murders done by British under the "Hate Crime" laws in this country? Fact is there are good and bad people no matter where you are - it is how people are policed and legally treated that matters and Britain is a soft-case thanks to the softies in the 1960's and 1970's - long before any interference by the EU and/or ECHR. In fact the EU and ECHR have toughened up quite a few of our laws, just people don't realise it!!! In fact I know about 8 years ago The Dutch police sentenced a British man to Life (which does mean life) for the brutal murder of a German (axe through the head) in an Amsterdam hostel. There was also the case of a Flevoland serial killer which turned out to be a British man who had murdered 7 Dutch women!!!!! If you want to check out the low life then go to Top O'th Brow, Johnson Fold, Breightmet and many other area and guess what they are British white citizens and committing crimes in higher numbers and worse than many of the EU visitors!!! A perfect example being a 86 year old British man who was charged with the murder of his 75 year neighbour, only a couple of months ago - and that was featured in the BN (ages may be slightly wrong but they were both retired) and that was in Breightmet!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -10

3:52pm Thu 8 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people.


Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday.

Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.
East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.
What a load of codswallop!!!!

So what about the brutal murders that British people do overseas - why haven't you mentioned that? Or what about the brutal murders done by British under the "Hate Crime" laws in this country?

Fact is there are good and bad people no matter where you are - it is how people are policed and legally treated that matters and Britain is a soft-case thanks to the softies in the 1960's and 1970's - long before any interference by the EU and/or ECHR. In fact the EU and ECHR have toughened up quite a few of our laws, just people don't realise it!!!

In fact I know about 8 years ago The Dutch police sentenced a British man to Life (which does mean life) for the brutal murder of a German (axe through the head) in an Amsterdam hostel. There was also the case of a Flevoland serial killer which turned out to be a British man who had murdered 7 Dutch women!!!!!

If you want to check out the low life then go to Top O'th Brow, Johnson Fold, Breightmet and many other area and guess what they are British white citizens and committing crimes in higher numbers and worse than many of the EU visitors!!! A perfect example being a 86 year old British man who was charged with the murder of his 75 year neighbour, only a couple of months ago - and that was featured in the BN (ages may be slightly wrong but they were both retired) and that was in Breightmet!!!!
so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like...
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people. Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday. Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.[/p][/quote]East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.[/p][/quote]What a load of codswallop!!!! So what about the brutal murders that British people do overseas - why haven't you mentioned that? Or what about the brutal murders done by British under the "Hate Crime" laws in this country? Fact is there are good and bad people no matter where you are - it is how people are policed and legally treated that matters and Britain is a soft-case thanks to the softies in the 1960's and 1970's - long before any interference by the EU and/or ECHR. In fact the EU and ECHR have toughened up quite a few of our laws, just people don't realise it!!! In fact I know about 8 years ago The Dutch police sentenced a British man to Life (which does mean life) for the brutal murder of a German (axe through the head) in an Amsterdam hostel. There was also the case of a Flevoland serial killer which turned out to be a British man who had murdered 7 Dutch women!!!!! If you want to check out the low life then go to Top O'th Brow, Johnson Fold, Breightmet and many other area and guess what they are British white citizens and committing crimes in higher numbers and worse than many of the EU visitors!!! A perfect example being a 86 year old British man who was charged with the murder of his 75 year neighbour, only a couple of months ago - and that was featured in the BN (ages may be slightly wrong but they were both retired) and that was in Breightmet!!!![/p][/quote]so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 26

3:55pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people.


Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday.

Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.
Did I say I hate the welsh Scots and Irish - or are you just putting hideous phrase into my mouth?

I said was I am sick to death of paying for free prescriptions, education etc etc etc for the scots Irish and welsh when we, In England, have to pay for them, and yet it is their MP's at Westminster, who vote for the increase in OUR taxations when theirs are being lowered thanks to our money!!!!

Just in today's online paper....
http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/1120
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ear_old_girl_and_for
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scenes_from_hardcore
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0 - BRITISH

http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/1119
5006.Dangerous_drive
r_took_police_office
r_on_terror_ride_on_
his_car_bonnet/ - BRITISH

http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/1119
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http://www.thebolton
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As I say that just from the "News" section on today online BN

So it seems your ideology that it is the overseas visitors that do the most crime seems to be inaccurate as I have pointed out 4 news reports which is overwhelmingly involves British people whilst there is only 1 involving possible overseas visitors (I only say possible because they could actually be British and have been born in the UK - especially as always had a high Polish-origin community!!!!)
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people. Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday. Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.[/p][/quote]Did I say I hate the welsh Scots and Irish - or are you just putting hideous phrase into my mouth? I said was I am sick to death of paying for free prescriptions, education etc etc etc for the scots Irish and welsh when we, In England, have to pay for them, and yet it is their MP's at Westminster, who vote for the increase in OUR taxations when theirs are being lowered thanks to our money!!!! Just in today's online paper.... http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1120 0931.GUILTY__Pervert _who_urinated_on_7_y ear_old_girl_and_for ced_her_to_re_enact_ scenes_from_hardcore _porn_film/?ref=var_ 0 - BRITISH http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1119 5006.Dangerous_drive r_took_police_office r_on_terror_ride_on_ his_car_bonnet/ - BRITISH http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1119 6002.Teenager_fled_d rug_dealer_s_house_w ith_knife_stuck_in_h is_back/ - BRITISH http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1119 5763.Drug_addict_den ies_stabbing_acquain tance_to_death/ - BRITISH As I say that just from the "News" section on today online BN So it seems your ideology that it is the overseas visitors that do the most crime seems to be inaccurate as I have pointed out 4 news reports which is overwhelmingly involves British people whilst there is only 1 involving possible overseas visitors (I only say possible because they could actually be British and have been born in the UK - especially as always had a high Polish-origin community!!!!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

4:08pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people.


Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday.

Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.
East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.
What a load of codswallop!!!!

So what about the brutal murders that British people do overseas - why haven't you mentioned that? Or what about the brutal murders done by British under the "Hate Crime" laws in this country?

Fact is there are good and bad people no matter where you are - it is how people are policed and legally treated that matters and Britain is a soft-case thanks to the softies in the 1960's and 1970's - long before any interference by the EU and/or ECHR. In fact the EU and ECHR have toughened up quite a few of our laws, just people don't realise it!!!

In fact I know about 8 years ago The Dutch police sentenced a British man to Life (which does mean life) for the brutal murder of a German (axe through the head) in an Amsterdam hostel. There was also the case of a Flevoland serial killer which turned out to be a British man who had murdered 7 Dutch women!!!!!

If you want to check out the low life then go to Top O'th Brow, Johnson Fold, Breightmet and many other area and guess what they are British white citizens and committing crimes in higher numbers and worse than many of the EU visitors!!! A perfect example being a 86 year old British man who was charged with the murder of his 75 year neighbour, only a couple of months ago - and that was featured in the BN (ages may be slightly wrong but they were both retired) and that was in Breightmet!!!!
so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like...
Can you confirm that:

1. It is a Housing Association that are building the properties and not private landlords?

2. They are non-British. Or in fact they are 2nd or 3rd generation British but with a different coloured skin and feeling more at ease speaking the language of their families?

3, They are benefits claimants and not just people who work shift-patterns? (also do you know that over 85% of ALL workers claim benefits so its not unusual)

4. The majority of houses on Oldhams Estate are NOT social housing as they have been bought in Thatchers "Right To Buy" scheme, whilst the rest come under the control of Homes For Bolton which is an independent Housing Association - therefore can you prove that ZERO is being spent on that estate

Fact is you cannot prove any of what you have said and as such just scaremongering.

Fact is if we deported ALL the "foreign" criminals then we would have to accept all the British criminals from overseas. And at the last count that would mean we would require at least 5 more prisons just to house them - but at what cost for the British tax-payer???????

Whatever you say, the fact is there are good and bad everywhere. We do control our borders and we do arrest criminals trying to get into the UK and we do arrest people when they have done crimes over here - just as much as the British get arrested or breaking laws overseas.

Stopping people coming into the UK will NEVER stop crime!! So to blame overseas visitors is just, to be fair, pathetic!!!
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people. Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday. Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.[/p][/quote]East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.[/p][/quote]What a load of codswallop!!!! So what about the brutal murders that British people do overseas - why haven't you mentioned that? Or what about the brutal murders done by British under the "Hate Crime" laws in this country? Fact is there are good and bad people no matter where you are - it is how people are policed and legally treated that matters and Britain is a soft-case thanks to the softies in the 1960's and 1970's - long before any interference by the EU and/or ECHR. In fact the EU and ECHR have toughened up quite a few of our laws, just people don't realise it!!! In fact I know about 8 years ago The Dutch police sentenced a British man to Life (which does mean life) for the brutal murder of a German (axe through the head) in an Amsterdam hostel. There was also the case of a Flevoland serial killer which turned out to be a British man who had murdered 7 Dutch women!!!!! If you want to check out the low life then go to Top O'th Brow, Johnson Fold, Breightmet and many other area and guess what they are British white citizens and committing crimes in higher numbers and worse than many of the EU visitors!!! A perfect example being a 86 year old British man who was charged with the murder of his 75 year neighbour, only a couple of months ago - and that was featured in the BN (ages may be slightly wrong but they were both retired) and that was in Breightmet!!!![/p][/quote]so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like...[/p][/quote]Can you confirm that: 1. It is a Housing Association that are building the properties and not private landlords? 2. They are non-British. Or in fact they are 2nd or 3rd generation British but with a different coloured skin and feeling more at ease speaking the language of their families? 3, They are benefits claimants and not just people who work shift-patterns? (also do you know that over 85% of ALL workers claim benefits so its not unusual) 4. The majority of houses on Oldhams Estate are NOT social housing as they have been bought in Thatchers "Right To Buy" scheme, whilst the rest come under the control of Homes For Bolton which is an independent Housing Association - therefore can you prove that ZERO is being spent on that estate Fact is you cannot prove any of what you have said and as such just scaremongering. Fact is if we deported ALL the "foreign" criminals then we would have to accept all the British criminals from overseas. And at the last count that would mean we would require at least 5 more prisons just to house them - but at what cost for the British tax-payer??????? Whatever you say, the fact is there are good and bad everywhere. We do control our borders and we do arrest criminals trying to get into the UK and we do arrest people when they have done crimes over here - just as much as the British get arrested or breaking laws overseas. Stopping people coming into the UK will NEVER stop crime!! So to blame overseas visitors is just, to be fair, pathetic!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

4:11pm Thu 8 May 14

The Righteous One says...

http://amsterdamgang
.wordpress.com/2011/
02/15/british-and-ir
ish-criminals-in-ams
terdam/

This is the perfect example - and it does happen, such as how many times have British gangsters been arrested in Amsterdam in the last 12 months that have featured in the national or local news - well over 20!!!!
http://amsterdamgang .wordpress.com/2011/ 02/15/british-and-ir ish-criminals-in-ams terdam/ This is the perfect example - and it does happen, such as how many times have British gangsters been arrested in Amsterdam in the last 12 months that have featured in the national or local news - well over 20!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -21

4:18pm Thu 8 May 14

Diamonintherough says...

The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people.


Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday.

Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.
East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.
What a load of codswallop!!!!

So what about the brutal murders that British people do overseas - why haven't you mentioned that? Or what about the brutal murders done by British under the "Hate Crime" laws in this country?

Fact is there are good and bad people no matter where you are - it is how people are policed and legally treated that matters and Britain is a soft-case thanks to the softies in the 1960's and 1970's - long before any interference by the EU and/or ECHR. In fact the EU and ECHR have toughened up quite a few of our laws, just people don't realise it!!!

In fact I know about 8 years ago The Dutch police sentenced a British man to Life (which does mean life) for the brutal murder of a German (axe through the head) in an Amsterdam hostel. There was also the case of a Flevoland serial killer which turned out to be a British man who had murdered 7 Dutch women!!!!!

If you want to check out the low life then go to Top O'th Brow, Johnson Fold, Breightmet and many other area and guess what they are British white citizens and committing crimes in higher numbers and worse than many of the EU visitors!!! A perfect example being a 86 year old British man who was charged with the murder of his 75 year neighbour, only a couple of months ago - and that was featured in the BN (ages may be slightly wrong but they were both retired) and that was in Breightmet!!!!
so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like...
Can you confirm that:

1. It is a Housing Association that are building the properties and not private landlords?

2. They are non-British. Or in fact they are 2nd or 3rd generation British but with a different coloured skin and feeling more at ease speaking the language of their families?

3, They are benefits claimants and not just people who work shift-patterns? (also do you know that over 85% of ALL workers claim benefits so its not unusual)

4. The majority of houses on Oldhams Estate are NOT social housing as they have been bought in Thatchers "Right To Buy" scheme, whilst the rest come under the control of Homes For Bolton which is an independent Housing Association - therefore can you prove that ZERO is being spent on that estate

Fact is you cannot prove any of what you have said and as such just scaremongering.

Fact is if we deported ALL the "foreign" criminals then we would have to accept all the British criminals from overseas. And at the last count that would mean we would require at least 5 more prisons just to house them - but at what cost for the British tax-payer???????

Whatever you say, the fact is there are good and bad everywhere. We do control our borders and we do arrest criminals trying to get into the UK and we do arrest people when they have done crimes over here - just as much as the British get arrested or breaking laws overseas.

Stopping people coming into the UK will NEVER stop crime!! So to blame overseas visitors is just, to be fair, pathetic!!!
On Fletcher street 10 houses were built. 5 for working families and 5 for people in reciept on benefits. These houses are owned by st.vincents housing association i think they are called. ......
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: According to TRO everyone lives in harmony in Darcy Lever and all crime is caused by white people. Arkadiusz Piotr Gawryszewski, aged 29, of Westhbourne Avenue, Great Lever, is alleged to have attempted to murder Agnieszka Nawrath on Monday. Awaits a reply from the man who hates the Welsh Scottish and Irish.[/p][/quote]East Europeans are brutal people they are committing a lot of murders and rapes in the UK like the other immigrants but apart from when they're killing us with their drunken driving on the wrong side of the road most of the time they're killing each other and their partners. They're low quality people just check Halliwell and Deane out with these problematical people.[/p][/quote]What a load of codswallop!!!! So what about the brutal murders that British people do overseas - why haven't you mentioned that? Or what about the brutal murders done by British under the "Hate Crime" laws in this country? Fact is there are good and bad people no matter where you are - it is how people are policed and legally treated that matters and Britain is a soft-case thanks to the softies in the 1960's and 1970's - long before any interference by the EU and/or ECHR. In fact the EU and ECHR have toughened up quite a few of our laws, just people don't realise it!!! In fact I know about 8 years ago The Dutch police sentenced a British man to Life (which does mean life) for the brutal murder of a German (axe through the head) in an Amsterdam hostel. There was also the case of a Flevoland serial killer which turned out to be a British man who had murdered 7 Dutch women!!!!! If you want to check out the low life then go to Top O'th Brow, Johnson Fold, Breightmet and many other area and guess what they are British white citizens and committing crimes in higher numbers and worse than many of the EU visitors!!! A perfect example being a 86 year old British man who was charged with the murder of his 75 year neighbour, only a couple of months ago - and that was featured in the BN (ages may be slightly wrong but they were both retired) and that was in Breightmet!!!![/p][/quote]so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like...[/p][/quote]Can you confirm that: 1. It is a Housing Association that are building the properties and not private landlords? 2. They are non-British. Or in fact they are 2nd or 3rd generation British but with a different coloured skin and feeling more at ease speaking the language of their families? 3, They are benefits claimants and not just people who work shift-patterns? (also do you know that over 85% of ALL workers claim benefits so its not unusual) 4. The majority of houses on Oldhams Estate are NOT social housing as they have been bought in Thatchers "Right To Buy" scheme, whilst the rest come under the control of Homes For Bolton which is an independent Housing Association - therefore can you prove that ZERO is being spent on that estate Fact is you cannot prove any of what you have said and as such just scaremongering. Fact is if we deported ALL the "foreign" criminals then we would have to accept all the British criminals from overseas. And at the last count that would mean we would require at least 5 more prisons just to house them - but at what cost for the British tax-payer??????? Whatever you say, the fact is there are good and bad everywhere. We do control our borders and we do arrest criminals trying to get into the UK and we do arrest people when they have done crimes over here - just as much as the British get arrested or breaking laws overseas. Stopping people coming into the UK will NEVER stop crime!! So to blame overseas visitors is just, to be fair, pathetic!!![/p][/quote]On Fletcher street 10 houses were built. 5 for working families and 5 for people in reciept on benefits. These houses are owned by st.vincents housing association i think they are called. ...... Diamonintherough
  • Score: 1

4:21pm Thu 8 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

itsnotthatbad says...
so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like..

Well said i agree 100% with your comments especially the fletcher
street comment as i'm not too far from there... THEY, YES THEY, get what they want or the race card suddenly appears !! by the way where can i get one of those cards, they sound fabulous :-)
itsnotthatbad says... so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like.. Well said i agree 100% with your comments especially the fletcher street comment as i'm not too far from there... THEY, YES THEY, get what they want or the race card suddenly appears !! by the way where can i get one of those cards, they sound fabulous :-) Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: 5

4:35pm Thu 8 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Randolf Litler !!! wrote:
itsnotthatbad says...
so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like..

Well said i agree 100% with your comments especially the fletcher
street comment as i'm not too far from there... THEY, YES THEY, get what they want or the race card suddenly appears !! by the way where can i get one of those cards, they sound fabulous :-)
Like I said council housing or council estates are rundown, and places like johnny fold are classed as rough and the good un's who want to make a change cant as there's nowhere nice to live for them as all the good new builds built by housing assoc's(as the council tender this work for them to do now to save £££) are occupied by newcomers... Fletcher st just drive past and majority are taxis. nice new houses they never pay for yet they earn a good living driving to and from jobs all day or night long.... the ££ never gets reintergrated back into society as this stays in their circles!!! maybe apart from the asda shop tho.... so get a gaff for free whereby british ppl dont have this chance most of the time as stuck in crappy old housing
[quote][p][bold]Randolf Litler !!![/bold] wrote: itsnotthatbad says... so to put a point on it there's enough white people committing crimes already ,so we really don't want more peoples over here contributing to this!! poor British areas stay poor as funds go elsewhere! take Oldhams Estate. zero £££ is ploughed into it so makes it look rough, yet housing associations build places off gaskell st and fletcher st, and 99.9% of the lucky recipients are non-british..... 1 british family at fletcher st FACT the rest are taxi drivers or benefit claimants. and taxi drivers earn so should rent privately... so again. you want less crime committed by british, then stop drafting in criminals and the like.. Well said i agree 100% with your comments especially the fletcher street comment as i'm not too far from there... THEY, YES THEY, get what they want or the race card suddenly appears !! by the way where can i get one of those cards, they sound fabulous :-)[/p][/quote]Like I said council housing or council estates are rundown, and places like johnny fold are classed as rough and the good un's who want to make a change cant as there's nowhere nice to live for them as all the good new builds built by housing assoc's(as the council tender this work for them to do now to save £££) are occupied by newcomers... Fletcher st just drive past and majority are taxis. nice new houses they never pay for yet they earn a good living driving to and from jobs all day or night long.... the ££ never gets reintergrated back into society as this stays in their circles!!! maybe apart from the asda shop tho.... so get a gaff for free whereby british ppl dont have this chance most of the time as stuck in crappy old housing itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 7

4:53pm Thu 8 May 14

holloway_david says...

"How the hell" did this article get an explosion of murder, rape, housing, Eastern Europeans etc etc when it only deserved a casual glance and dismissed from mind because that's all its worth.
"How the hell" did this article get an explosion of murder, rape, housing, Eastern Europeans etc etc when it only deserved a casual glance and dismissed from mind because that's all its worth. holloway_david
  • Score: 3

5:12pm Thu 8 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

holloway_david wrote:
"How the hell" did this article get an explosion of murder, rape, housing, Eastern Europeans etc etc when it only deserved a casual glance and dismissed from mind because that's all its worth.
Because this is what our politicians have turned a lot of us into over the years, we are trying to express our frustration/anger call it whatever you want about what our country and towns have turned into.
Ghettos.... and the poster above commented that "the ££ never gets reintegrated back into society as this stays in their circles!!!" which i totally agree with,
And that is why a lot of these comments appear in random stories from the B.N. - so maybe some people can see what it's like from this side of the fence with our frustration :-( and if anyone says there are forums or message boards on the internet to post comments like some on here, - so what.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: "How the hell" did this article get an explosion of murder, rape, housing, Eastern Europeans etc etc when it only deserved a casual glance and dismissed from mind because that's all its worth.[/p][/quote]Because this is what our politicians have turned a lot of us into over the years, we are trying to express our frustration/anger call it whatever you want about what our country and towns have turned into. Ghettos.... and the poster above commented that "the ££ never gets reintegrated back into society as this stays in their circles!!!" which i totally agree with, And that is why a lot of these comments appear in random stories from the B.N. - so maybe some people can see what it's like from this side of the fence with our frustration :-( and if anyone says there are forums or message boards on the internet to post comments like some on here, - so what. Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: 2

8:16pm Thu 8 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans!
Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.
They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.
Agreed wwith bad English communications skills.

Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people!
It's worth putting into practice: every little helps.
RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.
Spelling mistakes or bad typing.

Considering typing is NOT taught at schools, and I have always been top of the class for spelling, it seems the two do not always interact. And as I do not preview my posts and there is no spell-checker on this website then typing errors will, and do, occur!

It is those who comment of the typing errors that have a social problem, I do believe!
And is commenting on the communication skills of those two lads not a social problem for you then?
BTW a spell checker does work on here.
I remember from previous posts of yours that you claimed to be dyslexic - and you came top of the class for spelling? Oh what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive!
Lies????

There is a difference between spelling out loud and writing?

Unless, of course, you don't know the difference.

You never had a spelling test where you had to spell the words out loud?

I have not deceived anyone, but as your past incarnations have done, you have twisted another thread to dicuss my life. guess what this thread is about the café culture and that is all. If you want to discuss my life, then why not meet me to discuss it face to face, or are you just a keyboard warrior? I am ready and willing to meet and discuss - are you?

Fact is I know you wont, thus showing what a false person you actually are, and just all talk and no action!
And what would anyone in their right mind want to meet a sorry pathetic Walter Mitty character like you? I have a life and suggest you get one instead of living yours posting utter twaddle and dogma to the point of obsession on here. Oh yes I almost forgot to mention your " thumb counting "
I'm spending no more of my time on you so to whatever tosh you come back at me with I say only one thing in advance - Whatever.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: European cafe culture...... Well we've got the Europeans![/p][/quote]Sadly its low quality east Europeans that are loitering in our town centre and sitting at these outdoor tables looking for their next victims. I dont class them as Europeans.[/p][/quote]They are not all East Europeans, unfortunately. Think that is a myth. Most are generations of english people on benefits.[/p][/quote]Agreed wwith bad English communications skills. Example of this was walking through town yesterday and to lads walking the other way - one of the lads were talking and overheard him say that his latest interview was a let down because he didn't get the job because of his communication skills. His command of the language seemed to be a swear word as every other word, rough harsh and seemed to be threatening voice and did not say his words correctly - and yes he was British!!! It does seem that the English language has developed an underclass version which does seem very foreign to most people![/p][/quote]It's worth putting into practice: every little helps. RO it's a bit rich criticising the communication skills of the "to" ( sic ) lads and their lack of communication skills given your post is littered with lousy spelling and poor grammar - people in glass houses.[/p][/quote]Spelling mistakes or bad typing. Considering typing is NOT taught at schools, and I have always been top of the class for spelling, it seems the two do not always interact. And as I do not preview my posts and there is no spell-checker on this website then typing errors will, and do, occur! It is those who comment of the typing errors that have a social problem, I do believe![/p][/quote]And is commenting on the communication skills of those two lads not a social problem for you then? BTW a spell checker does work on here. I remember from previous posts of yours that you claimed to be dyslexic - and you came top of the class for spelling? Oh what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive![/p][/quote]Lies???? There is a difference between spelling out loud and writing? Unless, of course, you don't know the difference. You never had a spelling test where you had to spell the words out loud? I have not deceived anyone, but as your past incarnations have done, you have twisted another thread to dicuss my life. guess what this thread is about the café culture and that is all. If you want to discuss my life, then why not meet me to discuss it face to face, or are you just a keyboard warrior? I am ready and willing to meet and discuss - are you? Fact is I know you wont, thus showing what a false person you actually are, and just all talk and no action![/p][/quote]And what would anyone in their right mind want to meet a sorry pathetic Walter Mitty character like you? I have a life and suggest you get one instead of living yours posting utter twaddle and dogma to the point of obsession on here. Oh yes I almost forgot to mention your " thumb counting " I'm spending no more of my time on you so to whatever tosh you come back at me with I say only one thing in advance - Whatever. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 5

8:24pm Thu 8 May 14

dougie kay says...

A cafe culture in Bolton?.the only cafe culture you would find in the towns finest.would growing in the kitchen and storage areas/and in petri dishes in the local food hygene dpt
A cafe culture in Bolton?.the only cafe culture you would find in the towns finest.would growing in the kitchen and storage areas/and in petri dishes in the local food hygene dpt dougie kay
  • Score: 4

8:59pm Thu 8 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

Is it worth reading all the comments or shall I just mark them as pointless ?
Is it worth reading all the comments or shall I just mark them as pointless ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: -24

9:35pm Thu 8 May 14

christophermitty says...

**Warning to all users***

for any of the people The Righteous One is trying to get to meet up with him please read the article about him trying to kill someone on the burnden aces forum

you just need to google. ( burnden aces chris amos has left the building )

its a forum where they had to get the police involved as he pubically threatened to kill a lady and then started stalking her

and if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )........... he is obsessed with amsterdam and even stalked a barmaid over there that served him in a pub, he put pictures of her on the aces forum and stalked her also telling everyone she was his wife and they had children

v v scary person

be careful people
**Warning to all users*** for any of the people The Righteous One is trying to get to meet up with him please read the article about him trying to kill someone on the burnden aces forum you just need to google. ( burnden aces chris amos has left the building ) its a forum where they had to get the police involved as he pubically threatened to kill a lady and then started stalking her and if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )........... he is obsessed with amsterdam and even stalked a barmaid over there that served him in a pub, he put pictures of her on the aces forum and stalked her also telling everyone she was his wife and they had children v v scary person be careful people christophermitty
  • Score: 10

10:59pm Thu 8 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

christophermitty says...

**Warning to all users***
if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )..

Well i was bored so i nipped over and read the forum comments...
i'm still reading them !!!! :-)
christophermitty says... **Warning to all users*** if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary ).. Well i was bored so i nipped over and read the forum comments... i'm still reading them !!!! :-) Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: 5

10:59pm Thu 8 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

The voting has been manipulated again this article has been posted elsewhere.
The voting has been manipulated again this article has been posted elsewhere. Wolfie190
  • Score: 5

11:11pm Thu 8 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
The voting has been manipulated again this article has been posted elsewhere.
Yes wolfie190 i thought i was getting unfair thumbs down on my comments - ha-ha. or is it because my name sort of rhymes with a certain person who had a moustache like a stamp. lol
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: The voting has been manipulated again this article has been posted elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Yes wolfie190 i thought i was getting unfair thumbs down on my comments - ha-ha. or is it because my name sort of rhymes with a certain person who had a moustache like a stamp. lol Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: 3

11:34pm Thu 8 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

christophermitty wrote:
**Warning to all users***

for any of the people The Righteous One is trying to get to meet up with him please read the article about him trying to kill someone on the burnden aces forum

you just need to google. ( burnden aces chris amos has left the building )

its a forum where they had to get the police involved as he pubically threatened to kill a lady and then started stalking her

and if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )........... he is obsessed with amsterdam and even stalked a barmaid over there that served him in a pub, he put pictures of her on the aces forum and stalked her also telling everyone she was his wife and they had children

v v scary person

be careful people
Be very carefull what you post, you have just committed a crime if it proves to be untrue.
I could say "cheers for the heads up" but without evidence its nothing but libel.
[quote][p][bold]christophermitty[/bold] wrote: **Warning to all users*** for any of the people The Righteous One is trying to get to meet up with him please read the article about him trying to kill someone on the burnden aces forum you just need to google. ( burnden aces chris amos has left the building ) its a forum where they had to get the police involved as he pubically threatened to kill a lady and then started stalking her and if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )........... he is obsessed with amsterdam and even stalked a barmaid over there that served him in a pub, he put pictures of her on the aces forum and stalked her also telling everyone she was his wife and they had children v v scary person be careful people[/p][/quote]Be very carefull what you post, you have just committed a crime if it proves to be untrue. I could say "cheers for the heads up" but without evidence its nothing but libel. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -1

9:12am Fri 9 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

christophermitty wrote:
**Warning to all users***

for any of the people The Righteous One is trying to get to meet up with him please read the article about him trying to kill someone on the burnden aces forum

you just need to google. ( burnden aces chris amos has left the building )

its a forum where they had to get the police involved as he pubically threatened to kill a lady and then started stalking her

and if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )........... he is obsessed with amsterdam and even stalked a barmaid over there that served him in a pub, he put pictures of her on the aces forum and stalked her also telling everyone she was his wife and they had children

v v scary person

be careful people
Christopher thanks for the background. He is obsessed with Amsterdam, he does fantasise and a pal of mine who is a long term poster on here contacted the head of IT at his employer in Manchester, gave him the BN links and lo and behold not long after he was down the road. RO's excuse on here for not using his work alter ego, BWFC71, is that he's taken a few weeks off.
I've googled as suggested and as you say very scary. He's scary on these forums too.
Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]christophermitty[/bold] wrote: **Warning to all users*** for any of the people The Righteous One is trying to get to meet up with him please read the article about him trying to kill someone on the burnden aces forum you just need to google. ( burnden aces chris amos has left the building ) its a forum where they had to get the police involved as he pubically threatened to kill a lady and then started stalking her and if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )........... he is obsessed with amsterdam and even stalked a barmaid over there that served him in a pub, he put pictures of her on the aces forum and stalked her also telling everyone she was his wife and they had children v v scary person be careful people[/p][/quote]Christopher thanks for the background. He is obsessed with Amsterdam, he does fantasise and a pal of mine who is a long term poster on here contacted the head of IT at his employer in Manchester, gave him the BN links and lo and behold not long after he was down the road. RO's excuse on here for not using his work alter ego, BWFC71, is that he's taken a few weeks off. I've googled as suggested and as you say very scary. He's scary on these forums too. Cheers. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 3

11:08am Fri 9 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
christophermitty wrote:
**Warning to all users***

for any of the people The Righteous One is trying to get to meet up with him please read the article about him trying to kill someone on the burnden aces forum

you just need to google. ( burnden aces chris amos has left the building )

its a forum where they had to get the police involved as he pubically threatened to kill a lady and then started stalking her

and if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )........... he is obsessed with amsterdam and even stalked a barmaid over there that served him in a pub, he put pictures of her on the aces forum and stalked her also telling everyone she was his wife and they had children

v v scary person

be careful people
Christopher thanks for the background. He is obsessed with Amsterdam, he does fantasise and a pal of mine who is a long term poster on here contacted the head of IT at his employer in Manchester, gave him the BN links and lo and behold not long after he was down the road. RO's excuse on here for not using his work alter ego, BWFC71, is that he's taken a few weeks off.
I've googled as suggested and as you say very scary. He's scary on these forums too.
Cheers.
Just read it all!! ha ha ha I loved winding him up but he's a definite 'ed the ball.... surprised really he's now shut himself up...
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]christophermitty[/bold] wrote: **Warning to all users*** for any of the people The Righteous One is trying to get to meet up with him please read the article about him trying to kill someone on the burnden aces forum you just need to google. ( burnden aces chris amos has left the building ) its a forum where they had to get the police involved as he pubically threatened to kill a lady and then started stalking her and if your bored you can google his name and see his is a temp at a law firm in manchester, but was let go a few months ago ( prob because he is scary )........... he is obsessed with amsterdam and even stalked a barmaid over there that served him in a pub, he put pictures of her on the aces forum and stalked her also telling everyone she was his wife and they had children v v scary person be careful people[/p][/quote]Christopher thanks for the background. He is obsessed with Amsterdam, he does fantasise and a pal of mine who is a long term poster on here contacted the head of IT at his employer in Manchester, gave him the BN links and lo and behold not long after he was down the road. RO's excuse on here for not using his work alter ego, BWFC71, is that he's taken a few weeks off. I've googled as suggested and as you say very scary. He's scary on these forums too. Cheers.[/p][/quote]Just read it all!! ha ha ha I loved winding him up but he's a definite 'ed the ball.... surprised really he's now shut himself up... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 4

11:11am Fri 9 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

JustBecause wrote:

BWFC71 wrote:

George X wrote:

BWFC71 wrote:

firksyyyyy wrote:
That BWFC71 does my plucking head in.

Is that a new username name of yours George-X - funny how it is in the same moulding a George X - including the lack of humour and direct insult!!! And yes it seems you are responding to yourself!!!! Or is it the same person who keeps on registering just to pot abuse at me and nothing else!!! - Noticed that the poster hasn't posted anywhere else either in the past or since this post and yet throws an insult on the first comment/post (very strange, but also eerily similar!!!)

Yet again you have NOT commented on this news report and just made offensive remarks

This is what is wrong with this world - people like you - and then YOU wonder why the country is bad as you make it out to be. You are a bright shining example to many of our visitors and youth on how to treat fellow Boltonians, British, Humans - NOT!!!

How many have you got then , The righteousone, Eric Draven, Maplins holiday camp, BWFC71 and Big Ern are the ones i know about, you've probably got more, me on the other hand i only need one...

You keep bleating on that I have this that and the other user names and each time I have proved you wrong!!!

FOR BTYE UMPTEENTH TIME HERE IS THE TRUTH AND HOPE IT SINKS INTO YOUR VACUOUS SPACE WHERE YOU BRAIN IS SUPPOSED TO BE!!!!!

On this PC I am currently using, it automatically logs me in via my FB profile when I switch the PC on - and this is my BWFC71 profile!

On my other PC, which has websense installed, and as such blocks FB, I have to log on via email address and that is my The Righteous One profile.

BWFC71 has been around for a few years, since I was allowed back after being banned for providing information of Phil Gartside address (which was freely available via the internet anyway).

The Righteous One has been around for about 10 months since I have to use the works software (hence having websense installed). And the same username CANNOT be used for 2 different accounts/registered IP addresses, as I did enquire before asking the team if I could register a 2nd account!!!

I have no use, or inclination, for any other username, which YOU keep insisting I have!!!!

Have you finally grasped it yet or are so such a big idiot???



One ore point - when are you EVER going to comment of the report/letter on which you post? You have never commented on any report or thread but instead you have thrown insults not only to me, but many others!!!

If you are really from Bolton, then I expect to see you at Bolton station (platform 1) at about 0650 tomorrow morning and then you can tell me to my face, in front of many man witnesses, what you actually think of me!!! If you do not meet then I will take it that you are just an internet troll and I will make a compelling case to Julian and the other editors to have you removed from this website.

The choice is yours!!!

Pretty feeble excuse that I am afraid, you log on with user and password, simple as, pretending that technically you have to use 2 user names is rubbish, stick to one and get some IT education.

I concur, BWFC71 is pseudo-intellectual. He proclaims to be a connoisseur of life and a citizen of Europe with his vastly superior knowledge of statistics that he studies meticulously. I can imagine him self-gratifying over an encyclopedic mountain of legislation and regulations. He seems to be a very bitter, negative, middle-aged bloke who is no doubt follically-challenge

d and frustrated at the world."

just found this via google. .....
JustBecause wrote: BWFC71 wrote: George X wrote: BWFC71 wrote: firksyyyyy wrote: That BWFC71 does my plucking head in. Is that a new username name of yours George-X - funny how it is in the same moulding a George X - including the lack of humour and direct insult!!! And yes it seems you are responding to yourself!!!! Or is it the same person who keeps on registering just to pot abuse at me and nothing else!!! - Noticed that the poster hasn't posted anywhere else either in the past or since this post and yet throws an insult on the first comment/post (very strange, but also eerily similar!!!) Yet again you have NOT commented on this news report and just made offensive remarks This is what is wrong with this world - people like you - and then YOU wonder why the country is bad as you make it out to be. You are a bright shining example to many of our visitors and youth on how to treat fellow Boltonians, British, Humans - NOT!!! How many have you got then , The righteousone, Eric Draven, Maplins holiday camp, BWFC71 and Big Ern are the ones i know about, you've probably got more, me on the other hand i only need one... You keep bleating on that I have this that and the other user names and each time I have proved you wrong!!! FOR BTYE UMPTEENTH TIME HERE IS THE TRUTH AND HOPE IT SINKS INTO YOUR VACUOUS SPACE WHERE YOU BRAIN IS SUPPOSED TO BE!!!!! On this PC I am currently using, it automatically logs me in via my FB profile when I switch the PC on - and this is my BWFC71 profile! On my other PC, which has websense installed, and as such blocks FB, I have to log on via email address and that is my The Righteous One profile. BWFC71 has been around for a few years, since I was allowed back after being banned for providing information of Phil Gartside address (which was freely available via the internet anyway). The Righteous One has been around for about 10 months since I have to use the works software (hence having websense installed). And the same username CANNOT be used for 2 different accounts/registered IP addresses, as I did enquire before asking the team if I could register a 2nd account!!! I have no use, or inclination, for any other username, which YOU keep insisting I have!!!! Have you finally grasped it yet or are so such a big idiot??? One ore point - when are you EVER going to comment of the report/letter on which you post? You have never commented on any report or thread but instead you have thrown insults not only to me, but many others!!! If you are really from Bolton, then I expect to see you at Bolton station (platform 1) at about 0650 tomorrow morning and then you can tell me to my face, in front of many man witnesses, what you actually think of me!!! If you do not meet then I will take it that you are just an internet troll and I will make a compelling case to Julian and the other editors to have you removed from this website. The choice is yours!!! Pretty feeble excuse that I am afraid, you log on with user and password, simple as, pretending that technically you have to use 2 user names is rubbish, stick to one and get some IT education. I concur, BWFC71 is pseudo-intellectual. He proclaims to be a connoisseur of life and a citizen of Europe with his vastly superior knowledge of statistics that he studies meticulously. I can imagine him self-gratifying over an encyclopedic mountain of legislation and regulations. He seems to be a very bitter, negative, middle-aged bloke who is no doubt follically-challenge d and frustrated at the world." just found this via google. ..... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 3

6:40pm Fri 9 May 14

Puffin-Billy says...

European cafe culture.............
.................cul
ture................
in Bolton?

The behaviour of the woman in the original photo which accompanied this article was typical of the pig-ignorant, loutish, selfish yobs who infest the streets of Bolton and our public transport.

If she was to have put her feet on a chair in a cafe in France, Germany Spain or Italy, I suspect she would have got a severe talking to at the very least, or possibly have been thrown out.

I for one would not be willing to frequent a cafe or a restaurant where that type of behaviour was allowed.

My reason? Because such behaviour is a public health hazard.

When as a pedestrian, I am making my way through Bolton, I am daily forced to negociate my way through pools of human urine, human vomit, used condoms and dog faeces. I would not want my family or myself to be consuming food or drink in such a hazardous environment, where the chairs, and eventually the tables are in contact with such filth.

For the same reason I now refuse to sit on the rear seats of public transport, (the number 8 and 37 buses in particular) in the Greater Manchester area.
European cafe culture............. .................cul ture................ in Bolton? The behaviour of the woman in the original photo which accompanied this article was typical of the pig-ignorant, loutish, selfish yobs who infest the streets of Bolton and our public transport. If she was to have put her feet on a chair in a cafe in France, Germany Spain or Italy, I suspect she would have got a severe talking to at the very least, or possibly have been thrown out. I for one would not be willing to frequent a cafe or a restaurant where that type of behaviour was allowed. My reason? Because such behaviour is a public health hazard. When as a pedestrian, I am making my way through Bolton, I am daily forced to negociate my way through pools of human urine, human vomit, used condoms and dog faeces. I would not want my family or myself to be consuming food or drink in such a hazardous environment, where the chairs, and eventually the tables are in contact with such filth. For the same reason I now refuse to sit on the rear seats of public transport, (the number 8 and 37 buses in particular) in the Greater Manchester area. Puffin-Billy
  • Score: 0

6:40pm Fri 9 May 14

JustBecause says...

Oh dear, you have to love the internet.......
Oh dear, you have to love the internet....... JustBecause
  • Score: 1

6:57pm Fri 9 May 14

JustBecause says...

If Mr Amos's twitter feed is owt to go by, I would suggest he is far from being happy at being outed !
If Mr Amos's twitter feed is owt to go by, I would suggest he is far from being happy at being outed ! JustBecause
  • Score: 1

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