The forgotten street: Churchgate 'empty' despite council's £1 million spend

The Bolton News: The forgotten street: Churchgate 'empty' despite council's £1 million spend The forgotten street: Churchgate 'empty' despite council's £1 million spend

BUSINESSES in Bolton’s historic Churchgate are pleading for support — as the landmark thoroughfare turns into a “ghost street”.

Bolton Council spent £1 million upgrading the street in 2006 — laying down attractive paving and cobbles — but since then a number of firms have either closed down or relocated.

Parking wardens are putting off the few shoppers who do venture to that end of town, according to critics, while calls have also been made to restore Church-gate’s traditional markets.

But council chiefs say grants of up to £20,000 are available for new businesses — and they now hope to reinvent the street as Bolton’s “restaurant quarter”.

Cllr John Walsh, warden at Bolton Parish Church in Churchgate, said: “This part of the town is dying. It really is quite disgraceful that the area looks such a mess, when you consider how much time and money the council has spent on it.

“The council’s grant scheme is a good idea, but prospective businesses will be put off by Churchgate’s over-zealous parking regime.

“There used to be a theatre and cinema, among other things.

“It would be extremely helpful if the markets in the town square could be put in Churchgate, as this would give people more of an incentive to visit the street.”


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Marie Walsh, owner of Ye Olde Pastie Shoppe, said: “A lot of money has been spent on revamping Churchgate and yet the street just looks worse and worse.

“Churchgate used to be such a beautiful part of town, but it has gone from being a thoroughfare to being an awful mess.

“When we had The Bolton News and other businesses across the road, we had a much better trade. But these businesses have not been replaced. As a result, we are having to reduce staff all the time. I hope more is done to get Churchgate back to where it was.”

A council spokesman said: “We recently launched a grant scheme which is aimed at attracting new retail and leisure businesses into Bolton town centre.

“Grants of up to £20,000 are available under the scheme to support businesses in opening in the town centre including Churchgate where we are encouraging restaurant use.

“We are also working with landowners and agents to try to persuade them to offer favourable terms and conditions where possible.

“We have invested significantly in the public realm in the area to create a pleasant environment for customers and workers in Churchgate and the grants scheme is there to attract occupiers to replace those who have left the area in recent years.”

In the past two years, the Originals clothes shop and newsagents Churchgate News have both closed — while The Bolton News also relocated to Wellsprings.

Cardwells estate agents has relocated, the Kiss nightclub has also be closed for a number of years, while “To Let” signs are up at the four-storey Stone Cross House office complex.

A soup kitchen has opened up in the Originals shop on Fridays — a move criticised by Mrs Walsh — but it is understood a new tenant has now been found for the premises.

Alan Brown, who set up soup kitchen Bolton Diggers, said the organisation was now looking for a new base in the town.

He said: “There have been a few negative comments, but it’s the same sort of comments from the same people.

“We are supposed to be a Christian country, and yet there are so many people who are quick to judge and stigmatise the sort of people who use our soup kitchen.”

PUBS in Churchgate are hoping Bolton Council’s scheme to attract more businesses to the historic street pays off.

They are also calling on the council to restore the thoroughfare’s traditional market.

Tony Dooley, manager of Ye Olde Man and Scythe, said: ”The street is dead. Churchgate used to have markets and was a thriving part of town. Over the years, it’s declined a great amount and it feels like nobody wants to come here.

“The markets need to be spread out like they are in Manchester and then maybe this will get people coming to Churchgate again.”

Phillippa Warburton, owner of The Brass Cat pub, said: “Churchgate is quieter than it used to be and, at weekends, we don’t get much trade until later on in the day. People who walk down Churchgate are either going to their car or going somewhere else.

“But I suppose because it’s not very central, you would expect it to be quiet.”

Salon manager Jenni Wells, of Churchgate Salon, is also hoping restaurants or cafes will be attracted to the street.

She said: “I think Churchgate is the prettiest part of the town centre, but I think we are lacking a nice little cafe. Something like that would draw people in.

“We are on the edge of town and, unless people are using a specific service, they are not really drawn in.

“I’ve worked in the town centre for 10 years and Bolton has changed a lot, but the council aren’t doing enough to help local businesses in the town centre — the rates are discouraging people.”

OPEN: The Swan, Ye Olde Man and Scythe, Everyday Loans, Adecco, Creative Camera, Talent Pool Recording Studios, Travel House, The Capitol, Farrell Heyworth, Ye Olde Pastie Shoppe, Prime Lettings, Booth’s Music, The Parallel Young People’s Health Centre, The Brass Cat, The Churchgate Salon, Tasty King’s Kebab

CLOSED OR RELOCATED: 14-18 Churchgate (used to be Kiss nightclub), Cardwells Estate Agents (relocated to 11 Institute Street, Bolton), PPMCR Ltd (Churchgate House), Berkeley St James Wealth Management, Churchgate News, Originals, The Bolton News (relocated to Wellsprings)

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8:21am Mon 19 May 14

thomas222 says...

Would the headline " forgotten Street " not have read " forgotten Streets". Yet the Labour throwing money into it very stupidly when its a lost cause. Anyone who thinks Bolton Town center is good in afraid to say have had a sheltered life and never visited another local Town out of Bolton in their lives.
Would the headline " forgotten Street " not have read " forgotten Streets". Yet the Labour throwing money into it very stupidly when its a lost cause. Anyone who thinks Bolton Town center is good in afraid to say have had a sheltered life and never visited another local Town out of Bolton in their lives. thomas222
  • Score: -16

8:25am Mon 19 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

That area one of the oldest parts of Bolton was destroyed by the knocking down of some beautiful old buildings oozing in character and replaced by some of the ugliest modern monstrosities in Bolton and Bolton has more than a fair few monstrosities. Has the paving been done twice there in recent years too ?
That area one of the oldest parts of Bolton was destroyed by the knocking down of some beautiful old buildings oozing in character and replaced by some of the ugliest modern monstrosities in Bolton and Bolton has more than a fair few monstrosities. Has the paving been done twice there in recent years too ? Wolfie190
  • Score: 46

9:12am Mon 19 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council.

Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst.

We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War!

Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established!

But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street! The Righteous One
  • Score: 40

10:07am Mon 19 May 14

Tarjeta amarillo says...

Restaurant quarter - erm what about all the restaurants going into market place. Bit like the 2 cinema idea, won't work!

Churchgate is a great place to put something on, it's easy to close the road to cars.
But the farmers market hasn't happened for years my uncle was a regular trader and he said that Morris killed it off when he moved it to the town centre, where no one shops on a Sunday. The old medieval festival was good, what happened to that?

The other market that comes to the square is only twice a year and doesn't do that well, although the prices the traders charge could be a reason. However one shining light is food festival over bank holiday in august, but it closes at 5oclock. Couldn't they put up a music stage or a marquee and do evening stuff from there or even have the music going all day long, put kiddies stuff on as well during the day.

It's not a long term solution to the fact that there is no business on a day to day basis which I suppose the article is about (and john Walsh getting some digs in ahead of the elections this week), but it could help get people walking into area.
Restaurant quarter - erm what about all the restaurants going into market place. Bit like the 2 cinema idea, won't work! Churchgate is a great place to put something on, it's easy to close the road to cars. But the farmers market hasn't happened for years my uncle was a regular trader and he said that Morris killed it off when he moved it to the town centre, where no one shops on a Sunday. The old medieval festival was good, what happened to that? The other market that comes to the square is only twice a year and doesn't do that well, although the prices the traders charge could be a reason. However one shining light is food festival over bank holiday in august, but it closes at 5oclock. Couldn't they put up a music stage or a marquee and do evening stuff from there or even have the music going all day long, put kiddies stuff on as well during the day. It's not a long term solution to the fact that there is no business on a day to day basis which I suppose the article is about (and john Walsh getting some digs in ahead of the elections this week), but it could help get people walking into area. Tarjeta amarillo
  • Score: 17

10:08am Mon 19 May 14

LordLeverhulme says...

Some good points in the comments above.
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You can hardly call it "historic" anymore when many of the old buildings were knocked down and replaced by oversized modern monstrosities (now mostly empty it seems)
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And it's not a thoroughfare. It doesn't lead anywhere except the church (realistically.. who goes there on a weekday.. if at all) or Bolton's dodgiest underpass.
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Why so much money was spent on the roads and pavements is a mystery to most sane people. Was that supposed to attract new businesses? "Oooo a lovely bit of paving! Lets move our offices there!"
Some good points in the comments above. . You can hardly call it "historic" anymore when many of the old buildings were knocked down and replaced by oversized modern monstrosities (now mostly empty it seems) . And it's not a thoroughfare. It doesn't lead anywhere except the church (realistically.. who goes there on a weekday.. if at all) or Bolton's dodgiest underpass. . Why so much money was spent on the roads and pavements is a mystery to most sane people. Was that supposed to attract new businesses? "Oooo a lovely bit of paving! Lets move our offices there!" LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 23

10:26am Mon 19 May 14

wsw69 says...

The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town.

Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess.

Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate.

Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'.

When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology.

The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum.

Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless?

It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough.

Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town.

The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better.

All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces.

Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.
The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town. Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess. Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate. Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'. When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology. The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum. Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless? It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough. Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town. The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better. All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces. Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town. wsw69
  • Score: 51

10:30am Mon 19 May 14

stereo_world says...

"They now hope to reinvent the street as Bolton’s “restaurant quarter”"

'Hope' being the operative word here. Many a time I have seen that word used when referring to developments in the town centre.

"Council Chiefs HOPE that the Market Hall's refurbishment will attract shoppers back into the town."

Did it? Did it buggery. We all know how that went down. Thankfully they now have a decent firm in charge of development.

"Council Chiefs HOPE that 120 Bark Street will attract businesses into the area"

Did it? Did it buggery. That building was a huge waste of money. Ever since it was built, I think i've only ever seen one business reside in there.

"Council Chiefs HOPE that the new 'European Boulevard' will link Bolton Town Centre with the new interchange"

Will it? Only time will tell. I'm hoping it'll be treated with sensitivity and not shortsightedness like past projects have.

Besides, I thought the area between Deansgate and Bark Street was supposed to be the "restaurant capital"? How many restaurant capitals do they want in Bolton?
"They now hope to reinvent the street as Bolton’s “restaurant quarter”" 'Hope' being the operative word here. Many a time I have seen that word used when referring to developments in the town centre. "Council Chiefs HOPE that the Market Hall's refurbishment will attract shoppers back into the town." Did it? Did it buggery. We all know how that went down. Thankfully they now have a decent firm in charge of development. "Council Chiefs HOPE that 120 Bark Street will attract businesses into the area" Did it? Did it buggery. That building was a huge waste of money. Ever since it was built, I think i've only ever seen one business reside in there. "Council Chiefs HOPE that the new 'European Boulevard' will link Bolton Town Centre with the new interchange" Will it? Only time will tell. I'm hoping it'll be treated with sensitivity and not shortsightedness like past projects have. Besides, I thought the area between Deansgate and Bark Street was supposed to be the "restaurant capital"? How many restaurant capitals do they want in Bolton? stereo_world
  • Score: 15

11:14am Mon 19 May 14

LordLeverhulme says...

The council wanted a cinema down the bottom of Churchgate. Now that's never gonna happen they're absolutely clueless.
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And although I'm no fan of parking wardens, thats a big red herring here. On street parking isn't affecting Churchgate except for Mrs Miggins constantly moaning about her pastie shop.
The council wanted a cinema down the bottom of Churchgate. Now that's never gonna happen they're absolutely clueless. . And although I'm no fan of parking wardens, thats a big red herring here. On street parking isn't affecting Churchgate except for Mrs Miggins constantly moaning about her pastie shop. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: -3

11:31am Mon 19 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council.

Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst.

We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War!

Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established!

But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
If you moved the bus station to behind "Victoria Hall" as you suggest then it wouldn't be next to the train station. Moving the bus station next to the train station is sensible.

I would ask, what happened to the 'marina idea' that was once proposed for that area - i.e. opening up Bolton Canal. Another idea gone to waste.

There is land behind the back of the church which could be used to build more shops / office / hotel space if needed. Perhaps the old Bolton News offices could be transformed into a travel lodge or something similar, the town centre needs a quality hotel chain and this is a great place to put one.

Bolton is crying out for an Exhibition centre and a National museum, which would bring tourist to the area - not enough is done to bring tourists to the town from all parts of Greater Manchester, whilst other areas of the country have got got far more ambitious plans.

Well I have a postal vote and I'm about to cast my vote. However, no one has come to my door or been seen in Westhoughton. So who should I vote for, or should I bother?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]If you moved the bus station to behind "Victoria Hall" as you suggest then it wouldn't be next to the train station. Moving the bus station next to the train station is sensible. I would ask, what happened to the 'marina idea' that was once proposed for that area - i.e. opening up Bolton Canal. Another idea gone to waste. There is land behind the back of the church which could be used to build more shops / office / hotel space if needed. Perhaps the old Bolton News offices could be transformed into a travel lodge or something similar, the town centre needs a quality hotel chain and this is a great place to put one. Bolton is crying out for an Exhibition centre and a National museum, which would bring tourist to the area - not enough is done to bring tourists to the town from all parts of Greater Manchester, whilst other areas of the country have got got far more ambitious plans. Well I have a postal vote and I'm about to cast my vote. However, no one has come to my door or been seen in Westhoughton. So who should I vote for, or should I bother? Ernagy2
  • Score: 9

11:44am Mon 19 May 14

wsw69 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council.

Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst.

We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War!

Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established!

But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
If you moved the bus station to behind "Victoria Hall" as you suggest then it wouldn't be next to the train station. Moving the bus station next to the train station is sensible.

I would ask, what happened to the 'marina idea' that was once proposed for that area - i.e. opening up Bolton Canal. Another idea gone to waste.

There is land behind the back of the church which could be used to build more shops / office / hotel space if needed. Perhaps the old Bolton News offices could be transformed into a travel lodge or something similar, the town centre needs a quality hotel chain and this is a great place to put one.

Bolton is crying out for an Exhibition centre and a National museum, which would bring tourist to the area - not enough is done to bring tourists to the town from all parts of Greater Manchester, whilst other areas of the country have got got far more ambitious plans.

Well I have a postal vote and I'm about to cast my vote. However, no one has come to my door or been seen in Westhoughton. So who should I vote for, or should I bother?
Spot-on, couldn't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]If you moved the bus station to behind "Victoria Hall" as you suggest then it wouldn't be next to the train station. Moving the bus station next to the train station is sensible. I would ask, what happened to the 'marina idea' that was once proposed for that area - i.e. opening up Bolton Canal. Another idea gone to waste. There is land behind the back of the church which could be used to build more shops / office / hotel space if needed. Perhaps the old Bolton News offices could be transformed into a travel lodge or something similar, the town centre needs a quality hotel chain and this is a great place to put one. Bolton is crying out for an Exhibition centre and a National museum, which would bring tourist to the area - not enough is done to bring tourists to the town from all parts of Greater Manchester, whilst other areas of the country have got got far more ambitious plans. Well I have a postal vote and I'm about to cast my vote. However, no one has come to my door or been seen in Westhoughton. So who should I vote for, or should I bother?[/p][/quote]Spot-on, couldn't agree more. wsw69
  • Score: 10

11:55am Mon 19 May 14

Rememberscarborough says...

The only way any town centre business will succeed is if people want to come in to a town centre. All around the country town centres are "dying" because we'd rather go to the likes of the Middlebrook or shop online. Offer us something that's better than that and we'll all come back but at the moment we don't want to go to somewhere that is a parking ticket waiting to happen.
The only way any town centre business will succeed is if people want to come in to a town centre. All around the country town centres are "dying" because we'd rather go to the likes of the Middlebrook or shop online. Offer us something that's better than that and we'll all come back but at the moment we don't want to go to somewhere that is a parking ticket waiting to happen. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 15

12:14pm Mon 19 May 14

Comment777 says...

wsw69 wrote:
The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town.

Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess.

Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate.

Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'.

When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology.

The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum.

Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless?

It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough.

Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town.

The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better.

All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces.

Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.
Agree with most of what you say but I take offence at you comparing the traffic wardens to Nazis, they had a reason for their actions ie to make Germany strong again
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town. Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess. Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate. Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'. When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology. The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum. Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless? It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough. Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town. The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better. All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces. Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.[/p][/quote]Agree with most of what you say but I take offence at you comparing the traffic wardens to Nazis, they had a reason for their actions ie to make Germany strong again Comment777
  • Score: 5

12:20pm Mon 19 May 14

SandNotOil says...

I do not go into Bolton due to the parking problems of over zealous parking attendants combined with extortionate parking prices.
As for a restaurant quarter, the last time I did park in Bolton to go to a restaurant, at 5.45pm on New year's Day 2013 I along with about 6 others got slapped with a parking ticket for being stupid enough to think that a Bank Holiday at night would be free, so no, I'd rather go visit a restaurant out of town and shop where I can park for free.

Also putting the bus station next to the train station, just makes it that little bit easier for people to work, shop & play out of town.
Please, please get rid of the buffoons who have been killing the town slowly for the last 20 years.
I do not go into Bolton due to the parking problems of over zealous parking attendants combined with extortionate parking prices. As for a restaurant quarter, the last time I did park in Bolton to go to a restaurant, at 5.45pm on New year's Day 2013 I along with about 6 others got slapped with a parking ticket for being stupid enough to think that a Bank Holiday at night would be free, so no, I'd rather go visit a restaurant out of town and shop where I can park for free. Also putting the bus station next to the train station, just makes it that little bit easier for people to work, shop & play out of town. Please, please get rid of the buffoons who have been killing the town slowly for the last 20 years. SandNotOil
  • Score: 16

12:58pm Mon 19 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Does anyone find it odd that the businesses on Churchgate are complaining? Evenings are great on Churgegate, the types of businesses bar the pastie shop, chippy and the music store are fine... it is the others that trade that are far from ethical ventures, there is nothing on Churchgate in reality - The Man & Scythe will always have trade.

I'm not sure what the point is here in the report... either the council admit they are clueless or that Churchgate needs a radical overhaul... maybe a historical quarter of a sort. another problem down there is that sewer the River Croal, even on a cold day it stinks like rot.

Seriously I am not sure what can be done because Churchgate lost its identity decades ago, it position in relation to that hovel Bark Street does not help. That whole area should be reduced to rubble and regenerated in the style of Salford (Lowry) - theatre, arts & crafts, eating and history. The streets should be paved and turned into a market of a form like St Anne Square/Royal Exchange Manchester.
Does anyone find it odd that the businesses on Churchgate are complaining? Evenings are great on Churgegate, the types of businesses bar the pastie shop, chippy and the music store are fine... it is the others that trade that are far from ethical ventures, there is nothing on Churchgate in reality - The Man & Scythe will always have trade. I'm not sure what the point is here in the report... either the council admit they are clueless or that Churchgate needs a radical overhaul... maybe a historical quarter of a sort. another problem down there is that sewer the River Croal, even on a cold day it stinks like rot. Seriously I am not sure what can be done because Churchgate lost its identity decades ago, it position in relation to that hovel Bark Street does not help. That whole area should be reduced to rubble and regenerated in the style of Salford (Lowry) - theatre, arts & crafts, eating and history. The streets should be paved and turned into a market of a form like St Anne Square/Royal Exchange Manchester. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 1

1:26pm Mon 19 May 14

chris25 says...

Restaurant quarter is this where the soup kitchen is on the corner .
Restaurant quarter is this where the soup kitchen is on the corner . chris25
  • Score: 8

1:40pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Since the closure of the Arndale Centre's access/exit onto Brashawgate, just to placate Primark, Bradshawgate has been in decline from Trinity Street ,to and including, Churchgate.

The council need to try and create another access/exit point from Bradshawgate into the Arndale Centre. There are a couple of side streets near the Wine Lodge which may be suitable.

I fear the new bus station will simply make it easier for shoppers to travel out of Bolton, rather attract people into our town.
Since the closure of the Arndale Centre's access/exit onto Brashawgate, just to placate Primark, Bradshawgate has been in decline from Trinity Street ,to and including, Churchgate. The council need to try and create another access/exit point from Bradshawgate into the Arndale Centre. There are a couple of side streets near the Wine Lodge which may be suitable. I fear the new bus station will simply make it easier for shoppers to travel out of Bolton, rather attract people into our town. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 22

1:52pm Mon 19 May 14

Terry McC says...

Go back to 1996 when the Reebok was built comments then said it will take trade out of the town and the council denied it of its the main reason Bolton town center is a ghost town nice free parking nice restaurants not one traffic warden watching from around a corner great disabled parking the problem with Bolton is Bolton Council don't listen to the people who voted them in
Go back to 1996 when the Reebok was built comments then said it will take trade out of the town and the council denied it of its the main reason Bolton town center is a ghost town nice free parking nice restaurants not one traffic warden watching from around a corner great disabled parking the problem with Bolton is Bolton Council don't listen to the people who voted them in Terry McC
  • Score: 14

1:52pm Mon 19 May 14

wsw69 says...

Comment777 wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town.

Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess.

Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate.

Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'.

When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology.

The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum.

Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless?

It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough.

Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town.

The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better.

All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces.

Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.
Agree with most of what you say but I take offence at you comparing the traffic wardens to Nazis, they had a reason for their actions ie to make Germany strong again
Sorry, I didn't mean to put Nazis, I meant Stazis. I always refer to the parking operatives in Bolton as Stazis.

How the flock I managed to type that ....................
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[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town. Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess. Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate. Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'. When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology. The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum. Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless? It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough. Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town. The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better. All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces. Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.[/p][/quote]Agree with most of what you say but I take offence at you comparing the traffic wardens to Nazis, they had a reason for their actions ie to make Germany strong again[/p][/quote]Sorry, I didn't mean to put Nazis, I meant Stazis. I always refer to the parking operatives in Bolton as Stazis. How the flock I managed to type that .................... .................... . ???????????????????? ????? :-( wsw69
  • Score: 3

2:30pm Mon 19 May 14

waynagain says...

Funny to see a picture of the Boars Head on this story only days after the BN ran a story about how the town had been preserving it's heritage. It was demolished to make way for a 'yuppie style' pub restaurant - didn't work, and now the Town want to make this street a restaurant center. Take a look at the building which housed the BN offices and then look at pictures of the Theater Royal and The Grand Theater - which do you think are the more attractive? Kudos to the Pasty Shop for hanging in there when all around them is falling apart - in fact the Pasty Shop is the ONLY reason to go to Churchgate during the day. People have complained about parking in town, I'm just wondering where people will park when this area is filled with restaurants? Nobody was complaining when The Brass Cat was a Steak Restayrant, the Boars Head was popular pub, the Capital, the Theater Royal and Grand were packing them in. The Swan was an actual hotel, the Old Man and Scythe was packed every night, same with Smoky Joes, Mafredi's and the Olympus (yes, the Greek Restaurant which left Churchgate and morphed into a Chippy at the other side of town). The problem with Churchgate is the same as the rest of town - the TOWN has detroyed it.
Funny to see a picture of the Boars Head on this story only days after the BN ran a story about how the town had been preserving it's heritage. It was demolished to make way for a 'yuppie style' pub restaurant - didn't work, and now the Town want to make this street a restaurant center. Take a look at the building which housed the BN offices and then look at pictures of the Theater Royal and The Grand Theater - which do you think are the more attractive? Kudos to the Pasty Shop for hanging in there when all around them is falling apart - in fact the Pasty Shop is the ONLY reason to go to Churchgate during the day. People have complained about parking in town, I'm just wondering where people will park when this area is filled with restaurants? Nobody was complaining when The Brass Cat was a Steak Restayrant, the Boars Head was popular pub, the Capital, the Theater Royal and Grand were packing them in. The Swan was an actual hotel, the Old Man and Scythe was packed every night, same with Smoky Joes, Mafredi's and the Olympus (yes, the Greek Restaurant which left Churchgate and morphed into a Chippy at the other side of town). The problem with Churchgate is the same as the rest of town - the TOWN has detroyed it. waynagain
  • Score: 14

2:57pm Mon 19 May 14

wsw69 says...

Bolton town centre - NOT CENTER, would have done better without any council half-breeds thinking they know how to run it. They have proven themselves absolutely useless, disastrous, clueless and dateless time & time & time again.

Our own so called town council are the problem, 100% of the problem. Any clown breathing can see that !

Hate is not a word I like or use, dislike is my preferred choice. But I do make one great exception to that rule, and that is I hate Cliff Morris (and predominantly I've always voted Labour) and his mob of dip5h1t5.

It's just a pity assassination is illegal, lol.
Bolton town centre - NOT CENTER, would have done better without any council half-breeds thinking they know how to run it. They have proven themselves absolutely useless, disastrous, clueless and dateless time & time & time again. Our own so called town council are the problem, 100% of the problem. Any clown breathing can see that ! Hate is not a word I like or use, dislike is my preferred choice. But I do make one great exception to that rule, and that is I hate Cliff Morris (and predominantly I've always voted Labour) and his mob of dip5h1t5. It's just a pity assassination is illegal, lol. wsw69
  • Score: 25

4:34pm Mon 19 May 14

paulrich says...

The state of Bolton.

Some of you are of an age where you can remember the Town Centre as a bustling, attractive collection of solid Edwardian buildings with a vast range of retail offer, a Market hall that sold almost everything a dozen or more cinema’s etc etc.

This was part of the Heritage that you inherited which identified the town and your connection with it.

Then along came the Labour Council.

Grandiose schemes were devised and announced. Old and perfectly serviceable buildings were to be demolished and replaced with modern architecture.

The plan was placed in the hands of the Director of Demolition and Degeneration who is also in charge of planning.( and by the way is on £108,000 a year)

Let’s have a look at some of these schemes.

The Central Street development – (that’s back of the old post office to you)
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A £100m development including a massive Tesco supermarket, high street stores, cafe bars, restaurants and luxury flats behind a revamped Victoria Hall.

The Church Wharf development (back of the Parish Church)

£210m dynamic, high quality mixed-use scheme, a new business quarter comprising new office space, a mix of apartments and town houses, a leisure quarter featuring a cinema, retail and leisure units and an 80 bed hotel,

The Merchant Quarter (back of the old tram sheds or, if you can’t remember them, round Shifnall street.)

A business-led quarter for Bolton that, along with new hotels, restaurants, cafes, bars and public spaces,

The Westbrook Gateway (That’s around where they’ve knocked down Machester Road Tech)

Outline Planning Consent Granted for up to 100 Houses and 400 SQ M of Non Food Retail Floor space

After the spending of countless thousands upon thousand of pounds of your money in the planning, all of these wonderful projects have stalled – stopped – are dead in the water – and never gonna happen -not in my lifetime.

Let’s look at what has happened.

The Arcade leading to Bradshawgate closed by the extension of Primark leaving all the businesses on that stretch isolated from the Centre.

Odeon demolished – now a derelict site

Lido demolished and replaced with what must be one of the ugliest buildings in the North West

Bolton Tech demolished at a cost of £600,000

Fire station demolished

Clarence St school demolished – now a car park and soon to be the headquarters of one of these ‘Have you had an accident in the last three years’ solicitors

The Gateway to Bolton futuristic railway bridge in Newport St – on a one way street going out of the town.

Clarendon St School demolished and replaced across the road by pinching half of Bobby Heywoods Park.

More supermarkets within half a mile of Trinity Street than you can shake a stick at. I mean, there must be a limit on how many cans of baked beans we can buy.

Mawdsley St Congregational School opposite St Pat’s (Fad’s) given permission to be demolished and replaced with offices Now still derelict and up for sale as it is.

The list is endless.

Now we are spending £48 million on the new bus station (close to the railway station which has just had major routes withdrawn from it) which will result in the closure of Moor lane virtually guaranteeing damage to the trade of the Market.
Bolton Council have just paid £700,000 to buy the car park land at Bollins yard to do this.
They are also in the process of buying the Moor Lane site no doubt for another of their dream projects which ain’t gonna happen.
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None of this appears in the Bolton Scene, the good news propaganda rag of the Labour Council delivered to your door 4 times a year at a cost of £50,000. (Compared to £80,000 per year to keep open Animal world)

You’ll hear about the sixth form college and University buildings at the bottom of Deane Rd which I admit are architechturally pleasing to the eye.

This is the sixth form college which has sucked students out of the 6 years old £14m Farnworth Campus resulting in a threat of closure.

The University. This is the university which in 2014 is ranked 105 out of 105 and and in 2012 had the worst drop-out rate with 21.4 per cent of students quitting higher education after just a year. An estimated 45 per cent of undergraduates will fail to complete their full degree course

And of course you will hear about Bolton One (which I call Water Place 2) - another architechtural monstrosity which in 20 years will be in a similar state to the Precinct buildings in Little Lever.

This by the way was built with PFI at a cost of £31m and we’ll be paying through the nose for it for another 25 years. On the plus side they have blacked out windows and women only sessions.
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All this is the result of the grandiose ideas of the Labour Council and the out of control Planning Department.

All this is the true legacy of the Labour Council. They have robbed you and they have beggared the town.

We have got to break the log jam of slavishly following party lines

We have got to get rid of the bed blockers who are tired, out of ideas and lacking in vision

We have got to get rid of this Socialist Cabal who are out of touch with what you want and even if they knew, would ignore you anyway.

They have to go and I plead with you to use your power and start that process on May the 22nd
The state of Bolton. Some of you are of an age where you can remember the Town Centre as a bustling, attractive collection of solid Edwardian buildings with a vast range of retail offer, a Market hall that sold almost everything a dozen or more cinema’s etc etc. This was part of the Heritage that you inherited which identified the town and your connection with it. Then along came the Labour Council. Grandiose schemes were devised and announced. Old and perfectly serviceable buildings were to be demolished and replaced with modern architecture. The plan was placed in the hands of the Director of Demolition and Degeneration who is also in charge of planning.( and by the way is on £108,000 a year) Let’s have a look at some of these schemes. The Central Street development – (that’s back of the old post office to you) . A £100m development including a massive Tesco supermarket, high street stores, cafe bars, restaurants and luxury flats behind a revamped Victoria Hall. The Church Wharf development (back of the Parish Church) £210m dynamic, high quality mixed-use scheme, a new business quarter comprising new office space, a mix of apartments and town houses, a leisure quarter featuring a cinema, retail and leisure units and an 80 bed hotel, The Merchant Quarter (back of the old tram sheds or, if you can’t remember them, round Shifnall street.) A business-led quarter for Bolton that, along with new hotels, restaurants, cafes, bars and public spaces, The Westbrook Gateway (That’s around where they’ve knocked down Machester Road Tech) Outline Planning Consent Granted for up to 100 Houses and 400 SQ M of Non Food Retail Floor space After the spending of countless thousands upon thousand of pounds of your money in the planning, all of these wonderful projects have stalled – stopped – are dead in the water – and never gonna happen -not in my lifetime. Let’s look at what has happened. The Arcade leading to Bradshawgate closed by the extension of Primark leaving all the businesses on that stretch isolated from the Centre. Odeon demolished – now a derelict site Lido demolished and replaced with what must be one of the ugliest buildings in the North West Bolton Tech demolished at a cost of £600,000 Fire station demolished Clarence St school demolished – now a car park and soon to be the headquarters of one of these ‘Have you had an accident in the last three years’ solicitors The Gateway to Bolton futuristic railway bridge in Newport St – on a one way street going out of the town. Clarendon St School demolished and replaced across the road by pinching half of Bobby Heywoods Park. More supermarkets within half a mile of Trinity Street than you can shake a stick at. I mean, there must be a limit on how many cans of baked beans we can buy. Mawdsley St Congregational School opposite St Pat’s (Fad’s) given permission to be demolished and replaced with offices Now still derelict and up for sale as it is. The list is endless. Now we are spending £48 million on the new bus station (close to the railway station which has just had major routes withdrawn from it) which will result in the closure of Moor lane virtually guaranteeing damage to the trade of the Market. Bolton Council have just paid £700,000 to buy the car park land at Bollins yard to do this. They are also in the process of buying the Moor Lane site no doubt for another of their dream projects which ain’t gonna happen. ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… …………. None of this appears in the Bolton Scene, the good news propaganda rag of the Labour Council delivered to your door 4 times a year at a cost of £50,000. (Compared to £80,000 per year to keep open Animal world) You’ll hear about the sixth form college and University buildings at the bottom of Deane Rd which I admit are architechturally pleasing to the eye. This is the sixth form college which has sucked students out of the 6 years old £14m Farnworth Campus resulting in a threat of closure. The University. This is the university which in 2014 is ranked 105 out of 105 and and in 2012 had the worst drop-out rate with 21.4 per cent of students quitting higher education after just a year. An estimated 45 per cent of undergraduates will fail to complete their full degree course And of course you will hear about Bolton One (which I call Water Place 2) - another architechtural monstrosity which in 20 years will be in a similar state to the Precinct buildings in Little Lever. This by the way was built with PFI at a cost of £31m and we’ll be paying through the nose for it for another 25 years. On the plus side they have blacked out windows and women only sessions. ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… ………. All this is the result of the grandiose ideas of the Labour Council and the out of control Planning Department. All this is the true legacy of the Labour Council. They have robbed you and they have beggared the town. We have got to break the log jam of slavishly following party lines We have got to get rid of the bed blockers who are tired, out of ideas and lacking in vision We have got to get rid of this Socialist Cabal who are out of touch with what you want and even if they knew, would ignore you anyway. They have to go and I plead with you to use your power and start that process on May the 22nd paulrich
  • Score: 27

6:01pm Mon 19 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
Since the closure of the Arndale Centre's access/exit onto Brashawgate, just to placate Primark, Bradshawgate has been in decline from Trinity Street ,to and including, Churchgate.

The council need to try and create another access/exit point from Bradshawgate into the Arndale Centre. There are a couple of side streets near the Wine Lodge which may be suitable.

I fear the new bus station will simply make it easier for shoppers to travel out of Bolton, rather attract people into our town.
The whole town is in decline but blocking that off on Bradshawgate was the killer for that area in the daytime and should never have been allowed.
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: Since the closure of the Arndale Centre's access/exit onto Brashawgate, just to placate Primark, Bradshawgate has been in decline from Trinity Street ,to and including, Churchgate. The council need to try and create another access/exit point from Bradshawgate into the Arndale Centre. There are a couple of side streets near the Wine Lodge which may be suitable. I fear the new bus station will simply make it easier for shoppers to travel out of Bolton, rather attract people into our town.[/p][/quote]The whole town is in decline but blocking that off on Bradshawgate was the killer for that area in the daytime and should never have been allowed. Wolfie190
  • Score: 16

6:11pm Mon 19 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Ernagy2,

Thing is having the bus station next to the rail station, as some above has pointed out, makes it easier for people to got o Manchester, Preston, Chorley, Wigan and Blackburn rather than shop in Bolton - also with leaving the buss station, do you honestly want to walk through the ghetto that is Great Moor street and the pedestrianised Newport Street (full of bookies, pound shops, charity shops and British beggars) before getting to the decent part of town?
Ernagy2, Thing is having the bus station next to the rail station, as some above has pointed out, makes it easier for people to got o Manchester, Preston, Chorley, Wigan and Blackburn rather than shop in Bolton - also with leaving the buss station, do you honestly want to walk through the ghetto that is Great Moor street and the pedestrianised Newport Street (full of bookies, pound shops, charity shops and British beggars) before getting to the decent part of town? The Righteous One
  • Score: 7

8:14pm Mon 19 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

paulrich wrote:
The state of Bolton.

Some of you are of an age where you can remember the Town Centre as a bustling, attractive collection of solid Edwardian buildings with a vast range of retail offer, a Market hall that sold almost everything a dozen or more cinema’s etc etc.

This was part of the Heritage that you inherited which identified the town and your connection with it.

Then along came the Labour Council.

Grandiose schemes were devised and announced. Old and perfectly serviceable buildings were to be demolished and replaced with modern architecture.

The plan was placed in the hands of the Director of Demolition and Degeneration who is also in charge of planning.( and by the way is on £108,000 a year)

Let’s have a look at some of these schemes.

The Central Street development – (that’s back of the old post office to you)
.
A £100m development including a massive Tesco supermarket, high street stores, cafe bars, restaurants and luxury flats behind a revamped Victoria Hall.

The Church Wharf development (back of the Parish Church)

£210m dynamic, high quality mixed-use scheme, a new business quarter comprising new office space, a mix of apartments and town houses, a leisure quarter featuring a cinema, retail and leisure units and an 80 bed hotel,

The Merchant Quarter (back of the old tram sheds or, if you can’t remember them, round Shifnall street.)

A business-led quarter for Bolton that, along with new hotels, restaurants, cafes, bars and public spaces,

The Westbrook Gateway (That’s around where they’ve knocked down Machester Road Tech)

Outline Planning Consent Granted for up to 100 Houses and 400 SQ M of Non Food Retail Floor space

After the spending of countless thousands upon thousand of pounds of your money in the planning, all of these wonderful projects have stalled – stopped – are dead in the water – and never gonna happen -not in my lifetime.

Let’s look at what has happened.

The Arcade leading to Bradshawgate closed by the extension of Primark leaving all the businesses on that stretch isolated from the Centre.

Odeon demolished – now a derelict site

Lido demolished and replaced with what must be one of the ugliest buildings in the North West

Bolton Tech demolished at a cost of £600,000

Fire station demolished

Clarence St school demolished – now a car park and soon to be the headquarters of one of these ‘Have you had an accident in the last three years’ solicitors

The Gateway to Bolton futuristic railway bridge in Newport St – on a one way street going out of the town.

Clarendon St School demolished and replaced across the road by pinching half of Bobby Heywoods Park.

More supermarkets within half a mile of Trinity Street than you can shake a stick at. I mean, there must be a limit on how many cans of baked beans we can buy.

Mawdsley St Congregational School opposite St Pat’s (Fad’s) given permission to be demolished and replaced with offices Now still derelict and up for sale as it is.

The list is endless.

Now we are spending £48 million on the new bus station (close to the railway station which has just had major routes withdrawn from it) which will result in the closure of Moor lane virtually guaranteeing damage to the trade of the Market.
Bolton Council have just paid £700,000 to buy the car park land at Bollins yard to do this.
They are also in the process of buying the Moor Lane site no doubt for another of their dream projects which ain’t gonna happen.
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None of this appears in the Bolton Scene, the good news propaganda rag of the Labour Council delivered to your door 4 times a year at a cost of £50,000. (Compared to £80,000 per year to keep open Animal world)

You’ll hear about the sixth form college and University buildings at the bottom of Deane Rd which I admit are architechturally pleasing to the eye.

This is the sixth form college which has sucked students out of the 6 years old £14m Farnworth Campus resulting in a threat of closure.

The University. This is the university which in 2014 is ranked 105 out of 105 and and in 2012 had the worst drop-out rate with 21.4 per cent of students quitting higher education after just a year. An estimated 45 per cent of undergraduates will fail to complete their full degree course

And of course you will hear about Bolton One (which I call Water Place 2) - another architechtural monstrosity which in 20 years will be in a similar state to the Precinct buildings in Little Lever.

This by the way was built with PFI at a cost of £31m and we’ll be paying through the nose for it for another 25 years. On the plus side they have blacked out windows and women only sessions.
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All this is the result of the grandiose ideas of the Labour Council and the out of control Planning Department.

All this is the true legacy of the Labour Council. They have robbed you and they have beggared the town.

We have got to break the log jam of slavishly following party lines

We have got to get rid of the bed blockers who are tired, out of ideas and lacking in vision

We have got to get rid of this Socialist Cabal who are out of touch with what you want and even if they knew, would ignore you anyway.

They have to go and I plead with you to use your power and start that process on May the 22nd
Could not have worded it much better...

You forgot the old Bolton Royal Infirmary... :p

The Magistrates Court debacle...

Market Hall was a huge feck up also...
[quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: The state of Bolton. Some of you are of an age where you can remember the Town Centre as a bustling, attractive collection of solid Edwardian buildings with a vast range of retail offer, a Market hall that sold almost everything a dozen or more cinema’s etc etc. This was part of the Heritage that you inherited which identified the town and your connection with it. Then along came the Labour Council. Grandiose schemes were devised and announced. Old and perfectly serviceable buildings were to be demolished and replaced with modern architecture. The plan was placed in the hands of the Director of Demolition and Degeneration who is also in charge of planning.( and by the way is on £108,000 a year) Let’s have a look at some of these schemes. The Central Street development – (that’s back of the old post office to you) . A £100m development including a massive Tesco supermarket, high street stores, cafe bars, restaurants and luxury flats behind a revamped Victoria Hall. The Church Wharf development (back of the Parish Church) £210m dynamic, high quality mixed-use scheme, a new business quarter comprising new office space, a mix of apartments and town houses, a leisure quarter featuring a cinema, retail and leisure units and an 80 bed hotel, The Merchant Quarter (back of the old tram sheds or, if you can’t remember them, round Shifnall street.) A business-led quarter for Bolton that, along with new hotels, restaurants, cafes, bars and public spaces, The Westbrook Gateway (That’s around where they’ve knocked down Machester Road Tech) Outline Planning Consent Granted for up to 100 Houses and 400 SQ M of Non Food Retail Floor space After the spending of countless thousands upon thousand of pounds of your money in the planning, all of these wonderful projects have stalled – stopped – are dead in the water – and never gonna happen -not in my lifetime. Let’s look at what has happened. The Arcade leading to Bradshawgate closed by the extension of Primark leaving all the businesses on that stretch isolated from the Centre. Odeon demolished – now a derelict site Lido demolished and replaced with what must be one of the ugliest buildings in the North West Bolton Tech demolished at a cost of £600,000 Fire station demolished Clarence St school demolished – now a car park and soon to be the headquarters of one of these ‘Have you had an accident in the last three years’ solicitors The Gateway to Bolton futuristic railway bridge in Newport St – on a one way street going out of the town. Clarendon St School demolished and replaced across the road by pinching half of Bobby Heywoods Park. More supermarkets within half a mile of Trinity Street than you can shake a stick at. I mean, there must be a limit on how many cans of baked beans we can buy. Mawdsley St Congregational School opposite St Pat’s (Fad’s) given permission to be demolished and replaced with offices Now still derelict and up for sale as it is. The list is endless. Now we are spending £48 million on the new bus station (close to the railway station which has just had major routes withdrawn from it) which will result in the closure of Moor lane virtually guaranteeing damage to the trade of the Market. Bolton Council have just paid £700,000 to buy the car park land at Bollins yard to do this. They are also in the process of buying the Moor Lane site no doubt for another of their dream projects which ain’t gonna happen. ……………… �…………… � ��………… … ……………… �…………… � ��………… … …………. None of this appears in the Bolton Scene, the good news propaganda rag of the Labour Council delivered to your door 4 times a year at a cost of £50,000. (Compared to £80,000 per year to keep open Animal world) You’ll hear about the sixth form college and University buildings at the bottom of Deane Rd which I admit are architechturally pleasing to the eye. This is the sixth form college which has sucked students out of the 6 years old £14m Farnworth Campus resulting in a threat of closure. The University. This is the university which in 2014 is ranked 105 out of 105 and and in 2012 had the worst drop-out rate with 21.4 per cent of students quitting higher education after just a year. An estimated 45 per cent of undergraduates will fail to complete their full degree course And of course you will hear about Bolton One (which I call Water Place 2) - another architechtural monstrosity which in 20 years will be in a similar state to the Precinct buildings in Little Lever. This by the way was built with PFI at a cost of £31m and we’ll be paying through the nose for it for another 25 years. On the plus side they have blacked out windows and women only sessions. ……………… �…………… � ��………… … ……………… �…………… � ��………… … ………. All this is the result of the grandiose ideas of the Labour Council and the out of control Planning Department. All this is the true legacy of the Labour Council. They have robbed you and they have beggared the town. We have got to break the log jam of slavishly following party lines We have got to get rid of the bed blockers who are tired, out of ideas and lacking in vision We have got to get rid of this Socialist Cabal who are out of touch with what you want and even if they knew, would ignore you anyway. They have to go and I plead with you to use your power and start that process on May the 22nd[/p][/quote]Could not have worded it much better... You forgot the old Bolton Royal Infirmary... :p The Magistrates Court debacle... Market Hall was a huge feck up also... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 12

9:28pm Mon 19 May 14

p.rhanna says...

Let's all face the fact...Bolton is a Disgrace....an Embarrassing and Deeply saddening sight to behold..... I went into Bolton on Saturday evening
.....A rare occurrence on my part
What a sad state of affairs it is now.
Depressing Dismal Derelict Decaying and in my opinion beyond any real chance of ever being the Town it once was.
No investors would entertain Bolton in its present state.
20 000 offered by the council....that's just pocket change to big busineses .
And will not make a single bit of difference to any part of the centre.
Fads on great Moor St .... Still boarded up after 20 years is it ?
Shops empty ,To Let signs. ...should read
TO I LET!
We're are all these landlords who own these eyesores
They should be given 90 days notice to refurbish the whole of these external facade .
If not work to go ahead then bill them for it.
If the town looked better even when empty this for basics would be a start !
The Horrendous development at the once Studio 123 ...... how was that ever allowed ????
It's beyond words.!!
Parking goons on most streets around the town and on Scooters.
It's been a long and slow decline of probably 20 years......Trafford Centre opened in 97 I think?
Bolton's answer....Free parking on a Sunday. .....Good thinking Batman!!!
I for one will never again frequent Bolton Centre at night or for Shopping during the day.
It's Officially Dead!
Bury Town Centre has thrived since regeneration
Bolton Has Failed Miserably Time and time again
Let's all face the fact...Bolton is a Disgrace....an Embarrassing and Deeply saddening sight to behold..... I went into Bolton on Saturday evening .....A rare occurrence on my part What a sad state of affairs it is now. Depressing Dismal Derelict Decaying and in my opinion beyond any real chance of ever being the Town it once was. No investors would entertain Bolton in its present state. 20 000 offered by the council....that's just pocket change to big busineses . And will not make a single bit of difference to any part of the centre. Fads on great Moor St .... Still boarded up after 20 years is it ? Shops empty ,To Let signs. ...should read TO I LET! We're are all these landlords who own these eyesores They should be given 90 days notice to refurbish the whole of these external facade . If not work to go ahead then bill them for it. If the town looked better even when empty this for basics would be a start ! The Horrendous development at the once Studio 123 ...... how was that ever allowed ???? It's beyond words.!! Parking goons on most streets around the town and on Scooters. It's been a long and slow decline of probably 20 years......Trafford Centre opened in 97 I think? Bolton's answer....Free parking on a Sunday. .....Good thinking Batman!!! I for one will never again frequent Bolton Centre at night or for Shopping during the day. It's Officially Dead! Bury Town Centre has thrived since regeneration Bolton Has Failed Miserably Time and time again p.rhanna
  • Score: 18

11:28pm Mon 19 May 14

hal pel says...

paulrich wrote:
The state of Bolton.

Some of you are of an age where you can remember the Town Centre as a bustling, attractive collection of solid Edwardian buildings with a vast range of retail offer, a Market hall that sold almost everything a dozen or more cinema’s etc etc.

This was part of the Heritage that you inherited which identified the town and your connection with it.

Then along came the Labour Council.

Grandiose schemes were devised and announced. Old and perfectly serviceable buildings were to be demolished and replaced with modern architecture.

The plan was placed in the hands of the Director of Demolition and Degeneration who is also in charge of planning.( and by the way is on £108,000 a year)

Let’s have a look at some of these schemes.

The Central Street development – (that’s back of the old post office to you)
.
A £100m development including a massive Tesco supermarket, high street stores, cafe bars, restaurants and luxury flats behind a revamped Victoria Hall.

The Church Wharf development (back of the Parish Church)

£210m dynamic, high quality mixed-use scheme, a new business quarter comprising new office space, a mix of apartments and town houses, a leisure quarter featuring a cinema, retail and leisure units and an 80 bed hotel,

The Merchant Quarter (back of the old tram sheds or, if you can’t remember them, round Shifnall street.)

A business-led quarter for Bolton that, along with new hotels, restaurants, cafes, bars and public spaces,

The Westbrook Gateway (That’s around where they’ve knocked down Machester Road Tech)

Outline Planning Consent Granted for up to 100 Houses and 400 SQ M of Non Food Retail Floor space

After the spending of countless thousands upon thousand of pounds of your money in the planning, all of these wonderful projects have stalled – stopped – are dead in the water – and never gonna happen -not in my lifetime.

Let’s look at what has happened.

The Arcade leading to Bradshawgate closed by the extension of Primark leaving all the businesses on that stretch isolated from the Centre.

Odeon demolished – now a derelict site

Lido demolished and replaced with what must be one of the ugliest buildings in the North West

Bolton Tech demolished at a cost of £600,000

Fire station demolished

Clarence St school demolished – now a car park and soon to be the headquarters of one of these ‘Have you had an accident in the last three years’ solicitors

The Gateway to Bolton futuristic railway bridge in Newport St – on a one way street going out of the town.

Clarendon St School demolished and replaced across the road by pinching half of Bobby Heywoods Park.

More supermarkets within half a mile of Trinity Street than you can shake a stick at. I mean, there must be a limit on how many cans of baked beans we can buy.

Mawdsley St Congregational School opposite St Pat’s (Fad’s) given permission to be demolished and replaced with offices Now still derelict and up for sale as it is.

The list is endless.

Now we are spending £48 million on the new bus station (close to the railway station which has just had major routes withdrawn from it) which will result in the closure of Moor lane virtually guaranteeing damage to the trade of the Market.
Bolton Council have just paid £700,000 to buy the car park land at Bollins yard to do this.
They are also in the process of buying the Moor Lane site no doubt for another of their dream projects which ain’t gonna happen.
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None of this appears in the Bolton Scene, the good news propaganda rag of the Labour Council delivered to your door 4 times a year at a cost of £50,000. (Compared to £80,000 per year to keep open Animal world)

You’ll hear about the sixth form college and University buildings at the bottom of Deane Rd which I admit are architechturally pleasing to the eye.

This is the sixth form college which has sucked students out of the 6 years old £14m Farnworth Campus resulting in a threat of closure.

The University. This is the university which in 2014 is ranked 105 out of 105 and and in 2012 had the worst drop-out rate with 21.4 per cent of students quitting higher education after just a year. An estimated 45 per cent of undergraduates will fail to complete their full degree course

And of course you will hear about Bolton One (which I call Water Place 2) - another architechtural monstrosity which in 20 years will be in a similar state to the Precinct buildings in Little Lever.

This by the way was built with PFI at a cost of £31m and we’ll be paying through the nose for it for another 25 years. On the plus side they have blacked out windows and women only sessions.
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All this is the result of the grandiose ideas of the Labour Council and the out of control Planning Department.

All this is the true legacy of the Labour Council. They have robbed you and they have beggared the town.

We have got to break the log jam of slavishly following party lines

We have got to get rid of the bed blockers who are tired, out of ideas and lacking in vision

We have got to get rid of this Socialist Cabal who are out of touch with what you want and even if they knew, would ignore you anyway.

They have to go and I plead with you to use your power and start that process on May the 22nd
So Paul Richardson (UKIP Candidate), tell us where you'd start making changes. We all know where the town as gone wrong, but as usual you and your ilk state the obvious while offering no solutions.
[quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: The state of Bolton. Some of you are of an age where you can remember the Town Centre as a bustling, attractive collection of solid Edwardian buildings with a vast range of retail offer, a Market hall that sold almost everything a dozen or more cinema’s etc etc. This was part of the Heritage that you inherited which identified the town and your connection with it. Then along came the Labour Council. Grandiose schemes were devised and announced. Old and perfectly serviceable buildings were to be demolished and replaced with modern architecture. The plan was placed in the hands of the Director of Demolition and Degeneration who is also in charge of planning.( and by the way is on £108,000 a year) Let’s have a look at some of these schemes. The Central Street development – (that’s back of the old post office to you) . A £100m development including a massive Tesco supermarket, high street stores, cafe bars, restaurants and luxury flats behind a revamped Victoria Hall. The Church Wharf development (back of the Parish Church) £210m dynamic, high quality mixed-use scheme, a new business quarter comprising new office space, a mix of apartments and town houses, a leisure quarter featuring a cinema, retail and leisure units and an 80 bed hotel, The Merchant Quarter (back of the old tram sheds or, if you can’t remember them, round Shifnall street.) A business-led quarter for Bolton that, along with new hotels, restaurants, cafes, bars and public spaces, The Westbrook Gateway (That’s around where they’ve knocked down Machester Road Tech) Outline Planning Consent Granted for up to 100 Houses and 400 SQ M of Non Food Retail Floor space After the spending of countless thousands upon thousand of pounds of your money in the planning, all of these wonderful projects have stalled – stopped – are dead in the water – and never gonna happen -not in my lifetime. Let’s look at what has happened. The Arcade leading to Bradshawgate closed by the extension of Primark leaving all the businesses on that stretch isolated from the Centre. Odeon demolished – now a derelict site Lido demolished and replaced with what must be one of the ugliest buildings in the North West Bolton Tech demolished at a cost of £600,000 Fire station demolished Clarence St school demolished – now a car park and soon to be the headquarters of one of these ‘Have you had an accident in the last three years’ solicitors The Gateway to Bolton futuristic railway bridge in Newport St – on a one way street going out of the town. Clarendon St School demolished and replaced across the road by pinching half of Bobby Heywoods Park. More supermarkets within half a mile of Trinity Street than you can shake a stick at. I mean, there must be a limit on how many cans of baked beans we can buy. Mawdsley St Congregational School opposite St Pat’s (Fad’s) given permission to be demolished and replaced with offices Now still derelict and up for sale as it is. The list is endless. Now we are spending £48 million on the new bus station (close to the railway station which has just had major routes withdrawn from it) which will result in the closure of Moor lane virtually guaranteeing damage to the trade of the Market. Bolton Council have just paid £700,000 to buy the car park land at Bollins yard to do this. They are also in the process of buying the Moor Lane site no doubt for another of their dream projects which ain’t gonna happen. ……………… � �…………… � ��………… … ……………… � �…………… � ��………… … …………. None of this appears in the Bolton Scene, the good news propaganda rag of the Labour Council delivered to your door 4 times a year at a cost of £50,000. (Compared to £80,000 per year to keep open Animal world) You’ll hear about the sixth form college and University buildings at the bottom of Deane Rd which I admit are architechturally pleasing to the eye. This is the sixth form college which has sucked students out of the 6 years old £14m Farnworth Campus resulting in a threat of closure. The University. This is the university which in 2014 is ranked 105 out of 105 and and in 2012 had the worst drop-out rate with 21.4 per cent of students quitting higher education after just a year. An estimated 45 per cent of undergraduates will fail to complete their full degree course And of course you will hear about Bolton One (which I call Water Place 2) - another architechtural monstrosity which in 20 years will be in a similar state to the Precinct buildings in Little Lever. This by the way was built with PFI at a cost of £31m and we’ll be paying through the nose for it for another 25 years. On the plus side they have blacked out windows and women only sessions. ……………… � �…………… � ��………… … ……………… � �…………… � ��………… … ………. All this is the result of the grandiose ideas of the Labour Council and the out of control Planning Department. All this is the true legacy of the Labour Council. They have robbed you and they have beggared the town. We have got to break the log jam of slavishly following party lines We have got to get rid of the bed blockers who are tired, out of ideas and lacking in vision We have got to get rid of this Socialist Cabal who are out of touch with what you want and even if they knew, would ignore you anyway. They have to go and I plead with you to use your power and start that process on May the 22nd[/p][/quote]So Paul Richardson (UKIP Candidate), tell us where you'd start making changes. We all know where the town as gone wrong, but as usual you and your ilk state the obvious while offering no solutions. hal pel
  • Score: -2

3:20am Tue 20 May 14

BoltonLancs says...

wsw69 wrote:
Bolton town centre - NOT CENTER, would have done better without any council half-breeds thinking they know how to run it. They have proven themselves absolutely useless, disastrous, clueless and dateless time & time & time again.

Our own so called town council are the problem, 100% of the problem. Any clown breathing can see that !

Hate is not a word I like or use, dislike is my preferred choice. But I do make one great exception to that rule, and that is I hate Cliff Morris (and predominantly I've always voted Labour) and his mob of dip5h1t5.

It's just a pity assassination is illegal, lol.
Totally agree. We can let most accidents go: rear-shunt, accidental trip, ladder-turn-to-the-b
ack-of-the-head etc. But to transform an entire town centre; a bona fide traditional and historical jewel, in to a void of emptiness and squabbles and parking worries, then Cliff Morris has failed an entire town and region because it has been far from accidental.

Like you wsw89 hate isn't natural to me, but hate towards council leaders who have planned to destroy our town centre for short-sighted gains is very real. Hatred of Morris and like-minded traitors like Nicholas Peel goes further, they grew up in this once-prosperous town fgs!!!..so why did they kill our/their town!?!

I recently saw Morris on Knowsley St, and saw Peel going in to the Octagon car park, I couldn't tell you the rage I felt towards these selfish power brokers, who are supposedly the socialist spokespeople and representatives of our fantastic town. I hope i can calm myself enough next time to engage with them........grrr
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Bolton town centre - NOT CENTER, would have done better without any council half-breeds thinking they know how to run it. They have proven themselves absolutely useless, disastrous, clueless and dateless time & time & time again. Our own so called town council are the problem, 100% of the problem. Any clown breathing can see that ! Hate is not a word I like or use, dislike is my preferred choice. But I do make one great exception to that rule, and that is I hate Cliff Morris (and predominantly I've always voted Labour) and his mob of dip5h1t5. It's just a pity assassination is illegal, lol.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. We can let most accidents go: rear-shunt, accidental trip, ladder-turn-to-the-b ack-of-the-head etc. But to transform an entire town centre; a bona fide traditional and historical jewel, in to a void of emptiness and squabbles and parking worries, then Cliff Morris has failed an entire town and region because it has been far from accidental. Like you wsw89 hate isn't natural to me, but hate towards council leaders who have planned to destroy our town centre for short-sighted gains is very real. Hatred of Morris and like-minded traitors like Nicholas Peel goes further, they grew up in this once-prosperous town fgs!!!..so why did they kill our/their town!?! I recently saw Morris on Knowsley St, and saw Peel going in to the Octagon car park, I couldn't tell you the rage I felt towards these selfish power brokers, who are supposedly the socialist spokespeople and representatives of our fantastic town. I hope i can calm myself enough next time to engage with them........grrr BoltonLancs
  • Score: 4

7:04am Tue 20 May 14

Jackael says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council.

Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst.

We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War!

Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established!

But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
DING DONG THE NOBB HEADS GONE, psychopath !!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]DING DONG THE NOBB HEADS GONE, psychopath !!! Jackael
  • Score: -1

9:50am Tue 20 May 14

Leedas says...

Never ever read BEN but caught the headlines today and so I bought a copy!
It's not just church gate that's rubbish whole of town centre is shocking! They spend all that money on the marketplace when it didn't really need it!
The council are to blame, totally!
I was in asda middlebrook on Saturday and it was totally packed!! People from all over Bolton go there! Yet why? 20 years ago we would of gone into the town centre for some school shoes or a suit jacket! But with the council giving planning permission to every major supermaket the town centre has suffered!!
I bet asda at middlebrook took more money on Saturday between the hrs of 9am-5.30pm than the whole of all the shops coffe bars etc in Bolton town centre!! Why? Because no one bother to use it now! Can't park and if u cud park there's sod all where now apart from banks charity shops and coffe shops! Oh. And pound shops!!
Council to blame for allowing all these supermarkets to kill the high street!
Take Leigh for example! Tiny tiny town yet has every supermaket brand with 1.5 miles of each other!! Totally killing the high street!!
Rant over and I hope the decay carries on for years to come, because then they will truely feel problem they have created!
Never ever read BEN but caught the headlines today and so I bought a copy! It's not just church gate that's rubbish whole of town centre is shocking! They spend all that money on the marketplace when it didn't really need it! The council are to blame, totally! I was in asda middlebrook on Saturday and it was totally packed!! People from all over Bolton go there! Yet why? 20 years ago we would of gone into the town centre for some school shoes or a suit jacket! But with the council giving planning permission to every major supermaket the town centre has suffered!! I bet asda at middlebrook took more money on Saturday between the hrs of 9am-5.30pm than the whole of all the shops coffe bars etc in Bolton town centre!! Why? Because no one bother to use it now! Can't park and if u cud park there's sod all where now apart from banks charity shops and coffe shops! Oh. And pound shops!! Council to blame for allowing all these supermarkets to kill the high street! Take Leigh for example! Tiny tiny town yet has every supermaket brand with 1.5 miles of each other!! Totally killing the high street!! Rant over and I hope the decay carries on for years to come, because then they will truely feel problem they have created! Leedas
  • Score: 4

1:09pm Tue 20 May 14

wsw69 says...

BoltonLancs wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Bolton town centre - NOT CENTER, would have done better without any council half-breeds thinking they know how to run it. They have proven themselves absolutely useless, disastrous, clueless and dateless time & time & time again.

Our own so called town council are the problem, 100% of the problem. Any clown breathing can see that !

Hate is not a word I like or use, dislike is my preferred choice. But I do make one great exception to that rule, and that is I hate Cliff Morris (and predominantly I've always voted Labour) and his mob of dip5h1t5.

It's just a pity assassination is illegal, lol.
Totally agree. We can let most accidents go: rear-shunt, accidental trip, ladder-turn-to-the-b

ack-of-the-head etc. But to transform an entire town centre; a bona fide traditional and historical jewel, in to a void of emptiness and squabbles and parking worries, then Cliff Morris has failed an entire town and region because it has been far from accidental.

Like you wsw89 hate isn't natural to me, but hate towards council leaders who have planned to destroy our town centre for short-sighted gains is very real. Hatred of Morris and like-minded traitors like Nicholas Peel goes further, they grew up in this once-prosperous town fgs!!!..so why did they kill our/their town!?!

I recently saw Morris on Knowsley St, and saw Peel going in to the Octagon car park, I couldn't tell you the rage I felt towards these selfish power brokers, who are supposedly the socialist spokespeople and representatives of our fantastic town. I hope i can calm myself enough next time to engage with them........grrr
Well said.

A very good friend of mine has known Morris since school days (that's going back many a moon, lol), and I meet up with my friend a few times a week in Bolton Town Centre. Many times he 'bumps' in to the Fat Controller so I just walk well away, or I would probably end up before the District Judge.

As if that's not bad enough, Cllr Morris lives very near to me, to close for comfort in fact. :-(
[quote][p][bold]BoltonLancs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Bolton town centre - NOT CENTER, would have done better without any council half-breeds thinking they know how to run it. They have proven themselves absolutely useless, disastrous, clueless and dateless time & time & time again. Our own so called town council are the problem, 100% of the problem. Any clown breathing can see that ! Hate is not a word I like or use, dislike is my preferred choice. But I do make one great exception to that rule, and that is I hate Cliff Morris (and predominantly I've always voted Labour) and his mob of dip5h1t5. It's just a pity assassination is illegal, lol.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. We can let most accidents go: rear-shunt, accidental trip, ladder-turn-to-the-b ack-of-the-head etc. But to transform an entire town centre; a bona fide traditional and historical jewel, in to a void of emptiness and squabbles and parking worries, then Cliff Morris has failed an entire town and region because it has been far from accidental. Like you wsw89 hate isn't natural to me, but hate towards council leaders who have planned to destroy our town centre for short-sighted gains is very real. Hatred of Morris and like-minded traitors like Nicholas Peel goes further, they grew up in this once-prosperous town fgs!!!..so why did they kill our/their town!?! I recently saw Morris on Knowsley St, and saw Peel going in to the Octagon car park, I couldn't tell you the rage I felt towards these selfish power brokers, who are supposedly the socialist spokespeople and representatives of our fantastic town. I hope i can calm myself enough next time to engage with them........grrr[/p][/quote]Well said. A very good friend of mine has known Morris since school days (that's going back many a moon, lol), and I meet up with my friend a few times a week in Bolton Town Centre. Many times he 'bumps' in to the Fat Controller so I just walk well away, or I would probably end up before the District Judge. As if that's not bad enough, Cllr Morris lives very near to me, to close for comfort in fact. :-( wsw69
  • Score: 2

7:11pm Tue 20 May 14

the hand says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council.

Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst.

We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War!

Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established!

But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not the hand
  • Score: 3

7:51pm Tue 20 May 14

Jackael says...

the hand wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council.

Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst.

We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War!

Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established!

But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not
He wont be able to reply to you, thankfully he's been banned from the BN ....
[quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not[/p][/quote]He wont be able to reply to you, thankfully he's been banned from the BN .... Jackael
  • Score: 0

11:36pm Tue 20 May 14

BoltonNick says...

Jackael wrote:
the hand wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not
He wont be able to reply to you, thankfully he's been banned from the BN ....
So has Jackael, been banned, that is!
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not[/p][/quote]He wont be able to reply to you, thankfully he's been banned from the BN ....[/p][/quote]So has Jackael, been banned, that is! BoltonNick
  • Score: 0

11:42pm Tue 20 May 14

BoltonNick says...

the hand wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not
Thanks for correcting me. I was writing in haste and couldn't quite remember off the cuff.

But we should be playing/advertising with our history and not letting it go to rot. They could easily create an exhibition centre, as mentioned by someone else, explaining the history of Bolton, its place in the Civil war an how we overcome much negativity to the town we had, until recently - and show how migrants have helped the town grow and succeed through the centuries - such s the Flemish weavers that came over, from Belgium and Holland, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution! There was a such exhibition, for many, years in the old Little Bolton Town Hall, until they closed it and sold the building! And I believe that Church Wharf would be a great place for such an exhibition centre!!!
[quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not[/p][/quote]Thanks for correcting me. I was writing in haste and couldn't quite remember off the cuff. But we should be playing/advertising with our history and not letting it go to rot. They could easily create an exhibition centre, as mentioned by someone else, explaining the history of Bolton, its place in the Civil war an how we overcome much negativity to the town we had, until recently - and show how migrants have helped the town grow and succeed through the centuries - such s the Flemish weavers that came over, from Belgium and Holland, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution! There was a such exhibition, for many, years in the old Little Bolton Town Hall, until they closed it and sold the building! And I believe that Church Wharf would be a great place for such an exhibition centre!!! BoltonNick
  • Score: 0

11:46pm Tue 20 May 14

BoltonNick says...

Jackael wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
DING DONG THE NOBB HEADS GONE, psychopath !!!
So have you! No surprise either!
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]DING DONG THE NOBB HEADS GONE, psychopath !!![/p][/quote]So have you! No surprise either! BoltonNick
  • Score: 0

10:44am Wed 21 May 14

the hand says...

BoltonNick wrote:
the hand wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not
Thanks for correcting me. I was writing in haste and couldn't quite remember off the cuff.

But we should be playing/advertising with our history and not letting it go to rot. They could easily create an exhibition centre, as mentioned by someone else, explaining the history of Bolton, its place in the Civil war an how we overcome much negativity to the town we had, until recently - and show how migrants have helped the town grow and succeed through the centuries - such s the Flemish weavers that came over, from Belgium and Holland, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution! There was a such exhibition, for many, years in the old Little Bolton Town Hall, until they closed it and sold the building! And I believe that Church Wharf would be a great place for such an exhibition centre!!!
I welcome your ideas but the history of bolton is preserved in a very good exhibition in the towns museum also we have hallithwood museum which is quite Good to look around we don't need to waste money on churchgate promote it yes but promote other areas as well bolton has a very historical past promote them all and let all areas prosper local communities could then hopefully thrive and get local pride back
[quote][p][bold]BoltonNick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not[/p][/quote]Thanks for correcting me. I was writing in haste and couldn't quite remember off the cuff. But we should be playing/advertising with our history and not letting it go to rot. They could easily create an exhibition centre, as mentioned by someone else, explaining the history of Bolton, its place in the Civil war an how we overcome much negativity to the town we had, until recently - and show how migrants have helped the town grow and succeed through the centuries - such s the Flemish weavers that came over, from Belgium and Holland, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution! There was a such exhibition, for many, years in the old Little Bolton Town Hall, until they closed it and sold the building! And I believe that Church Wharf would be a great place for such an exhibition centre!!![/p][/quote]I welcome your ideas but the history of bolton is preserved in a very good exhibition in the towns museum also we have hallithwood museum which is quite Good to look around we don't need to waste money on churchgate promote it yes but promote other areas as well bolton has a very historical past promote them all and let all areas prosper local communities could then hopefully thrive and get local pride back the hand
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Wed 21 May 14

johnnyjackson says...

Terry McC wrote:
Go back to 1996 when the Reebok was built comments then said it will take trade out of the town and the council denied it of its the main reason Bolton town center is a ghost town nice free parking nice restaurants not one traffic warden watching from around a corner great disabled parking the problem with Bolton is Bolton Council don't listen to the people who voted them in
Whole town is a joke
[quote][p][bold]Terry McC[/bold] wrote: Go back to 1996 when the Reebok was built comments then said it will take trade out of the town and the council denied it of its the main reason Bolton town center is a ghost town nice free parking nice restaurants not one traffic warden watching from around a corner great disabled parking the problem with Bolton is Bolton Council don't listen to the people who voted them in[/p][/quote]Whole town is a joke johnnyjackson
  • Score: 0

8:56am Thu 22 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

the hand wrote:
BoltonNick wrote:
the hand wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street!
If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not
Thanks for correcting me. I was writing in haste and couldn't quite remember off the cuff.

But we should be playing/advertising with our history and not letting it go to rot. They could easily create an exhibition centre, as mentioned by someone else, explaining the history of Bolton, its place in the Civil war an how we overcome much negativity to the town we had, until recently - and show how migrants have helped the town grow and succeed through the centuries - such s the Flemish weavers that came over, from Belgium and Holland, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution! There was a such exhibition, for many, years in the old Little Bolton Town Hall, until they closed it and sold the building! And I believe that Church Wharf would be a great place for such an exhibition centre!!!
I welcome your ideas but the history of bolton is preserved in a very good exhibition in the towns museum also we have hallithwood museum which is quite Good to look around we don't need to waste money on churchgate promote it yes but promote other areas as well bolton has a very historical past promote them all and let all areas prosper local communities could then hopefully thrive and get local pride back
Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you 'the hand', Bolton's Museum only caters for the 'worktown' a sociological study, the Industrial revolution and Egyptology side of the Town. There's little or no mention of the Civil War and there is little to show the diversity of the Town and how migrants have helped the Town grow. That is not to decry what is there, but the Museum needs to be bigger and better than it is at the moment. Even if we get the bigger Egyptology museum, there would still be more to show. A lot of exhibits are left in the vaults as the museum has no where to place them. Let's see all the exhibits.

An exhibition centre would cater for a lot more events, both Local and National, some permanent some temporary. It could act as a twin to the Octagon, and you could have had your 'cinema' within it had the Councillors been forward thinking enough.

At the moment though like you I think all areas of the Town need money spent on them. What is now Moor Lane bus station, that land will need developing, is that to be housing or are we to have Tesco's there?

The site adjacent to the bus and train station between Morrison's and the transport hub is a mess. Maybe the council will need to buy those businesses out and use the grants to move them elsewhere in the Town. After all we want visitors to see the Town in a good light - not being met with tattoo shops and cheap takeaways (lol).

The Town is a mess - shame on you Bolton Council!
[quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BoltonNick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is theat part of the Ton, which is basically the original town centre, has been long forgotten by the council. Yes, move the Farmers market and the various specials occasion markets there to get people going down that district again, but that should only be the start of the catalyst. We need to promote our history and lets not forget the famous beheading of a "Lord" that took place in Churchgate during the Civil War! Bolton council need to forget about Bradshawgate, Newport Street area of the town (in fact they should knock all that area down (Bradshawgate between Great Moor Street and Trinity street) and create a brand new ubrna town centre park - similar to Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester. They should be concentration on re-establishing the parts of the town that are now rundown because the sole of the town was ripped out (Market Hall), and that means Victoria Square, Newport Street (between the pedestrianised bit), Churchgate, Deansgate - promote niche shops - possibly an idea of Churchgate is to turn it into a Niche shop zone - similar to how St Andrews Court was first established! But all this shows, once again, that the Council have no idea what to do with the town centre and have backed the wrong ideas. The new bus station, as I keep re-iterating should have been built behind Vitoria Hall, thus being at the heart of the shopping part of Bolton - which would have helped the revitilisation of the town, rather than the smaller bus station being created at the corner of Newport Street and Great Moor Street![/p][/quote]If you want to quote history my friend then it was an earl who lost his head not a Lord for one who likes to bombard us with facts please check yours properly dosnt matter how much money they spend bolton town centre is a dump and no amount of money spent by cliff jabba the hut Morris and his goonies ( hey you guyyyys ) will improve it just look at the abomination that was built facing the Balmoral pub Labour run council or should I say no I'd better not[/p][/quote]Thanks for correcting me. I was writing in haste and couldn't quite remember off the cuff. But we should be playing/advertising with our history and not letting it go to rot. They could easily create an exhibition centre, as mentioned by someone else, explaining the history of Bolton, its place in the Civil war an how we overcome much negativity to the town we had, until recently - and show how migrants have helped the town grow and succeed through the centuries - such s the Flemish weavers that came over, from Belgium and Holland, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution! There was a such exhibition, for many, years in the old Little Bolton Town Hall, until they closed it and sold the building! And I believe that Church Wharf would be a great place for such an exhibition centre!!![/p][/quote]I welcome your ideas but the history of bolton is preserved in a very good exhibition in the towns museum also we have hallithwood museum which is quite Good to look around we don't need to waste money on churchgate promote it yes but promote other areas as well bolton has a very historical past promote them all and let all areas prosper local communities could then hopefully thrive and get local pride back[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you 'the hand', Bolton's Museum only caters for the 'worktown' a sociological study, the Industrial revolution and Egyptology side of the Town. There's little or no mention of the Civil War and there is little to show the diversity of the Town and how migrants have helped the Town grow. That is not to decry what is there, but the Museum needs to be bigger and better than it is at the moment. Even if we get the bigger Egyptology museum, there would still be more to show. A lot of exhibits are left in the vaults as the museum has no where to place them. Let's see all the exhibits. An exhibition centre would cater for a lot more events, both Local and National, some permanent some temporary. It could act as a twin to the Octagon, and you could have had your 'cinema' within it had the Councillors been forward thinking enough. At the moment though like you I think all areas of the Town need money spent on them. What is now Moor Lane bus station, that land will need developing, is that to be housing or are we to have Tesco's there? The site adjacent to the bus and train station between Morrison's and the transport hub is a mess. Maybe the council will need to buy those businesses out and use the grants to move them elsewhere in the Town. After all we want visitors to see the Town in a good light - not being met with tattoo shops and cheap takeaways (lol). The Town is a mess - shame on you Bolton Council! Ernagy2
  • Score: 2

10:57pm Thu 22 May 14

Mike23 says...

wsw69 wrote:
The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town.

Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess.

Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate.

Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'.

When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology.

The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum.

Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless?

It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough.

Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town.

The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better.

All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces.

Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.
So much truth in the post above…

Mrs Walsh and her amazing business is really the only reason people venture to this part of town.

I visited Bolton a few weeks ago and I parked for two minutes and low and behold, Mr Benn popped up, dressed as a traffic warden!

Without wanting to come across as violent, I do honestly believe even if you dragged most of the council chamber down to Churchgate, slapped them about, they still would be vague and not see what the problem is.

This is why I firmly believe that the Local Constitution needs to be changed. It is perhaps one of the most blatant, shameful acts of governance I have ever seen & witnessed.

It is not just Bolton, Farnworth, Wigan, Oldham, Rochdale, Walkden, Urmston, Manchester…all these places have suffered due to a staggering lack of foresight, corruption and bias toward large, retail organisations, rather than focussing on UK PLC.

It is never the big things that cause the main issues, its the dripping tap of small neglect, erosion of morals, reduction in standards, bias toward certain practices.

No one now wants to show leadership because they fear the loss of their incumbent position.

I was in Farnworth today, drove near Over Hulton toward Albert Road via Silcoms.

How Farnworth town centre is surviving is a miracle. You have Asda, Lidl and Tesco's all within 5 mins walk of each other? Who the hell made such an idiotic economic decision? Even a baboon wouldn't be that stupid? But yet, all three supermarkets had people in them at 9:40am today? Its very sad.

After leaving Farnworth, I drove to Prestwich to visit an amazing shop called Dennis Gore…he is also known as Dennis the Chemist online.

He continuously stocks on the best health products, will advise you what really you need to take, give you great value and most importantly, he is continuously cheaper than many other online shops; he also operates an online presence.

The point I am trying to make, we need to make the effort to support individual businesses because they reinvest their cash generally, back into the local economy.

Going back to Churchgate & Bolton town centre, it needs all our help. But, it must begin with a vote of no confidence in the persons governing the town. They have had their chance, they failed, move over and let those that care take the reigns.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town. Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess. Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate. Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'. When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology. The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum. Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless? It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough. Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town. The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better. All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces. Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.[/p][/quote]So much truth in the post above… Mrs Walsh and her amazing business is really the only reason people venture to this part of town. I visited Bolton a few weeks ago and I parked for two minutes and low and behold, Mr Benn popped up, dressed as a traffic warden! Without wanting to come across as violent, I do honestly believe even if you dragged most of the council chamber down to Churchgate, slapped them about, they still would be vague and not see what the problem is. This is why I firmly believe that the Local Constitution needs to be changed. It is perhaps one of the most blatant, shameful acts of governance I have ever seen & witnessed. It is not just Bolton, Farnworth, Wigan, Oldham, Rochdale, Walkden, Urmston, Manchester…all these places have suffered due to a staggering lack of foresight, corruption and bias toward large, retail organisations, rather than focussing on UK PLC. It is never the big things that cause the main issues, its the dripping tap of small neglect, erosion of morals, reduction in standards, bias toward certain practices. No one now wants to show leadership because they fear the loss of their incumbent position. I was in Farnworth today, drove near Over Hulton toward Albert Road via Silcoms. How Farnworth town centre is surviving is a miracle. You have Asda, Lidl and Tesco's all within 5 mins walk of each other? Who the hell made such an idiotic economic decision? Even a baboon wouldn't be that stupid? But yet, all three supermarkets had people in them at 9:40am today? Its very sad. After leaving Farnworth, I drove to Prestwich to visit an amazing shop called Dennis Gore…he is also known as Dennis the Chemist online. He continuously stocks on the best health products, will advise you what really you need to take, give you great value and most importantly, he is continuously cheaper than many other online shops; he also operates an online presence. The point I am trying to make, we need to make the effort to support individual businesses because they reinvest their cash generally, back into the local economy. Going back to Churchgate & Bolton town centre, it needs all our help. But, it must begin with a vote of no confidence in the persons governing the town. They have had their chance, they failed, move over and let those that care take the reigns. Mike23
  • Score: 2

12:47pm Sun 25 May 14

Bona Fide says...

Mike23 wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town.

Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess.

Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate.

Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'.

When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology.

The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum.

Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless?

It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough.

Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town.

The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better.

All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces.

Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.
So much truth in the post above…

Mrs Walsh and her amazing business is really the only reason people venture to this part of town.

I visited Bolton a few weeks ago and I parked for two minutes and low and behold, Mr Benn popped up, dressed as a traffic warden!

Without wanting to come across as violent, I do honestly believe even if you dragged most of the council chamber down to Churchgate, slapped them about, they still would be vague and not see what the problem is.

This is why I firmly believe that the Local Constitution needs to be changed. It is perhaps one of the most blatant, shameful acts of governance I have ever seen & witnessed.

It is not just Bolton, Farnworth, Wigan, Oldham, Rochdale, Walkden, Urmston, Manchester…all these places have suffered due to a staggering lack of foresight, corruption and bias toward large, retail organisations, rather than focussing on UK PLC.

It is never the big things that cause the main issues, its the dripping tap of small neglect, erosion of morals, reduction in standards, bias toward certain practices.

No one now wants to show leadership because they fear the loss of their incumbent position.

I was in Farnworth today, drove near Over Hulton toward Albert Road via Silcoms.

How Farnworth town centre is surviving is a miracle. You have Asda, Lidl and Tesco's all within 5 mins walk of each other? Who the hell made such an idiotic economic decision? Even a baboon wouldn't be that stupid? But yet, all three supermarkets had people in them at 9:40am today? Its very sad.

After leaving Farnworth, I drove to Prestwich to visit an amazing shop called Dennis Gore…he is also known as Dennis the Chemist online.

He continuously stocks on the best health products, will advise you what really you need to take, give you great value and most importantly, he is continuously cheaper than many other online shops; he also operates an online presence.

The point I am trying to make, we need to make the effort to support individual businesses because they reinvest their cash generally, back into the local economy.

Going back to Churchgate & Bolton town centre, it needs all our help. But, it must begin with a vote of no confidence in the persons governing the town. They have had their chance, they failed, move over and let those that care take the reigns.
Churchgate was destroyed many years ago. The market hall too. The destruction of Smithills is the latest ongoing destruction of another of Boltons 'jewels'. I can't believe there are many Bolton born and bread councillors!
[quote][p][bold]Mike23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town. Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess. Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate. Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'. When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology. The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum. Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless? It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough. Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town. The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better. All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces. Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.[/p][/quote]So much truth in the post above… Mrs Walsh and her amazing business is really the only reason people venture to this part of town. I visited Bolton a few weeks ago and I parked for two minutes and low and behold, Mr Benn popped up, dressed as a traffic warden! Without wanting to come across as violent, I do honestly believe even if you dragged most of the council chamber down to Churchgate, slapped them about, they still would be vague and not see what the problem is. This is why I firmly believe that the Local Constitution needs to be changed. It is perhaps one of the most blatant, shameful acts of governance I have ever seen & witnessed. It is not just Bolton, Farnworth, Wigan, Oldham, Rochdale, Walkden, Urmston, Manchester…all these places have suffered due to a staggering lack of foresight, corruption and bias toward large, retail organisations, rather than focussing on UK PLC. It is never the big things that cause the main issues, its the dripping tap of small neglect, erosion of morals, reduction in standards, bias toward certain practices. No one now wants to show leadership because they fear the loss of their incumbent position. I was in Farnworth today, drove near Over Hulton toward Albert Road via Silcoms. How Farnworth town centre is surviving is a miracle. You have Asda, Lidl and Tesco's all within 5 mins walk of each other? Who the hell made such an idiotic economic decision? Even a baboon wouldn't be that stupid? But yet, all three supermarkets had people in them at 9:40am today? Its very sad. After leaving Farnworth, I drove to Prestwich to visit an amazing shop called Dennis Gore…he is also known as Dennis the Chemist online. He continuously stocks on the best health products, will advise you what really you need to take, give you great value and most importantly, he is continuously cheaper than many other online shops; he also operates an online presence. The point I am trying to make, we need to make the effort to support individual businesses because they reinvest their cash generally, back into the local economy. Going back to Churchgate & Bolton town centre, it needs all our help. But, it must begin with a vote of no confidence in the persons governing the town. They have had their chance, they failed, move over and let those that care take the reigns.[/p][/quote]Churchgate was destroyed many years ago. The market hall too. The destruction of Smithills is the latest ongoing destruction of another of Boltons 'jewels'. I can't believe there are many Bolton born and bread councillors! Bona Fide
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Sun 25 May 14

Bona Fide says...

Mike23 wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town.

Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess.

Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate.

Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'.

When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology.

The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum.

Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless?

It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough.

Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town.

The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better.

All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces.

Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.
So much truth in the post above…

Mrs Walsh and her amazing business is really the only reason people venture to this part of town.

I visited Bolton a few weeks ago and I parked for two minutes and low and behold, Mr Benn popped up, dressed as a traffic warden!

Without wanting to come across as violent, I do honestly believe even if you dragged most of the council chamber down to Churchgate, slapped them about, they still would be vague and not see what the problem is.

This is why I firmly believe that the Local Constitution needs to be changed. It is perhaps one of the most blatant, shameful acts of governance I have ever seen & witnessed.

It is not just Bolton, Farnworth, Wigan, Oldham, Rochdale, Walkden, Urmston, Manchester…all these places have suffered due to a staggering lack of foresight, corruption and bias toward large, retail organisations, rather than focussing on UK PLC.

It is never the big things that cause the main issues, its the dripping tap of small neglect, erosion of morals, reduction in standards, bias toward certain practices.

No one now wants to show leadership because they fear the loss of their incumbent position.

I was in Farnworth today, drove near Over Hulton toward Albert Road via Silcoms.

How Farnworth town centre is surviving is a miracle. You have Asda, Lidl and Tesco's all within 5 mins walk of each other? Who the hell made such an idiotic economic decision? Even a baboon wouldn't be that stupid? But yet, all three supermarkets had people in them at 9:40am today? Its very sad.

After leaving Farnworth, I drove to Prestwich to visit an amazing shop called Dennis Gore…he is also known as Dennis the Chemist online.

He continuously stocks on the best health products, will advise you what really you need to take, give you great value and most importantly, he is continuously cheaper than many other online shops; he also operates an online presence.

The point I am trying to make, we need to make the effort to support individual businesses because they reinvest their cash generally, back into the local economy.

Going back to Churchgate & Bolton town centre, it needs all our help. But, it must begin with a vote of no confidence in the persons governing the town. They have had their chance, they failed, move over and let those that care take the reigns.
Churchgate was destroyed many years ago. The market hall too. The destruction of Smithills is the latest ongoing destruction of another of Boltons 'jewels'. I can't believe there are many Bolton born and bread councillors!
[quote][p][bold]Mike23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: The tax office is a complete eyesore. It's one of many 'pimples' on the ar5e of the town. Then you have the Swan, which is another horrendous eyesore. That one which used to be a Kwik Save supermarket and later a bar is a complete mess. Also, on the opposite corner from Prestons is what used to be a Sub Way. NO OTHER town centre would have a so called flagship jewellers, or any other half decent and long established trading name, being faced with a dump like the ex - Sub Way, the current state of the Swan, as well as the ghastly kebab shop directly opposite on Churchgate. Yet again, parking wardens hovvering around to fill their books with 'easy prey'. When will Bolton Council take note of the public and listen when they say they will NOT shop in Bolton because of a Nazi style parking regime, whose only existence is to boost the councils coffers using a very short sighted methodology. The way to kick off a town centre restart is to get shut of the parking stasi methodology for starters. People, business and shoppers, will not come to Bolton primarily because of the parking regime in place. Nor will they come when they know a pathetic and clueless regime of first grade idiots are 'running' the place. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum. Force landlords of empty shops, as well as anyone operating a shop, to make sure their premises are kept looking fresh, well turned out and welcoming, and NOT as the ex Sub Way for one example looks. Who want's to shop in a dive of a town centre that wouldn't look out of place in a series like Shameless? It's sadly also a complete 5h1th0le. That includes the wider borough. Cliff 'the thick gormless and clueless idiot' Morris & Co have ruined this town. The sooner someone with half a brain (Morris hasn't got one), a morsel of insight and forward looking, some get up and go, is put in charge of getting this town something like sorted then the better. All this set of blithering self-centred and greedy Buffoons are out for is to get from it all they can for a cosy and financially sound lifestyle. None of them are fit to lace ANY one of this once great towns citizens boot laces. Personally, I'd start with shooting the lot of them who have failed more than miserably at supposedly running this town.[/p][/quote]So much truth in the post above… Mrs Walsh and her amazing business is really the only reason people venture to this part of town. I visited Bolton a few weeks ago and I parked for two minutes and low and behold, Mr Benn popped up, dressed as a traffic warden! Without wanting to come across as violent, I do honestly believe even if you dragged most of the council chamber down to Churchgate, slapped them about, they still would be vague and not see what the problem is. This is why I firmly believe that the Local Constitution needs to be changed. It is perhaps one of the most blatant, shameful acts of governance I have ever seen & witnessed. It is not just Bolton, Farnworth, Wigan, Oldham, Rochdale, Walkden, Urmston, Manchester…all these places have suffered due to a staggering lack of foresight, corruption and bias toward large, retail organisations, rather than focussing on UK PLC. It is never the big things that cause the main issues, its the dripping tap of small neglect, erosion of morals, reduction in standards, bias toward certain practices. No one now wants to show leadership because they fear the loss of their incumbent position. I was in Farnworth today, drove near Over Hulton toward Albert Road via Silcoms. How Farnworth town centre is surviving is a miracle. You have Asda, Lidl and Tesco's all within 5 mins walk of each other? Who the hell made such an idiotic economic decision? Even a baboon wouldn't be that stupid? But yet, all three supermarkets had people in them at 9:40am today? Its very sad. After leaving Farnworth, I drove to Prestwich to visit an amazing shop called Dennis Gore…he is also known as Dennis the Chemist online. He continuously stocks on the best health products, will advise you what really you need to take, give you great value and most importantly, he is continuously cheaper than many other online shops; he also operates an online presence. The point I am trying to make, we need to make the effort to support individual businesses because they reinvest their cash generally, back into the local economy. Going back to Churchgate & Bolton town centre, it needs all our help. But, it must begin with a vote of no confidence in the persons governing the town. They have had their chance, they failed, move over and let those that care take the reigns.[/p][/quote]Churchgate was destroyed many years ago. The market hall too. The destruction of Smithills is the latest ongoing destruction of another of Boltons 'jewels'. I can't believe there are many Bolton born and bread councillors! Bona Fide
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1:03pm Sun 25 May 14

Bona Fide says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
paulrich wrote:
The state of Bolton.

Some of you are of an age where you can remember the Town Centre as a bustling, attractive collection of solid Edwardian buildings with a vast range of retail offer, a Market hall that sold almost everything a dozen or more cinema’s etc etc.

This was part of the Heritage that you inherited which identified the town and your connection with it.

Then along came the Labour Council.

Grandiose schemes were devised and announced. Old and perfectly serviceable buildings were to be demolished and replaced with modern architecture.

The plan was placed in the hands of the Director of Demolition and Degeneration who is also in charge of planning.( and by the way is on £108,000 a year)

Let’s have a look at some of these schemes.

The Central Street development – (that’s back of the old post office to you)
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A £100m development including a massive Tesco supermarket, high street stores, cafe bars, restaurants and luxury flats behind a revamped Victoria Hall.

The Church Wharf development (back of the Parish Church)

£210m dynamic, high quality mixed-use scheme, a new business quarter comprising new office space, a mix of apartments and town houses, a leisure quarter featuring a cinema, retail and leisure units and an 80 bed hotel,

The Merchant Quarter (back of the old tram sheds or, if you can’t remember them, round Shifnall street.)

A business-led quarter for Bolton that, along with new hotels, restaurants, cafes, bars and public spaces,

The Westbrook Gateway (That’s around where they’ve knocked down Machester Road Tech)

Outline Planning Consent Granted for up to 100 Houses and 400 SQ M of Non Food Retail Floor space

After the spending of countless thousands upon thousand of pounds of your money in the planning, all of these wonderful projects have stalled – stopped – are dead in the water – and never gonna happen -not in my lifetime.

Let’s look at what has happened.

The Arcade leading to Bradshawgate closed by the extension of Primark leaving all the businesses on that stretch isolated from the Centre.

Odeon demolished – now a derelict site

Lido demolished and replaced with what must be one of the ugliest buildings in the North West

Bolton Tech demolished at a cost of £600,000

Fire station demolished

Clarence St school demolished – now a car park and soon to be the headquarters of one of these ‘Have you had an accident in the last three years’ solicitors

The Gateway to Bolton futuristic railway bridge in Newport St – on a one way street going out of the town.

Clarendon St School demolished and replaced across the road by pinching half of Bobby Heywoods Park.

More supermarkets within half a mile of Trinity Street than you can shake a stick at. I mean, there must be a limit on how many cans of baked beans we can buy.

Mawdsley St Congregational School opposite St Pat’s (Fad’s) given permission to be demolished and replaced with offices Now still derelict and up for sale as it is.

The list is endless.

Now we are spending £48 million on the new bus station (close to the railway station which has just had major routes withdrawn from it) which will result in the closure of Moor lane virtually guaranteeing damage to the trade of the Market.
Bolton Council have just paid £700,000 to buy the car park land at Bollins yard to do this.
They are also in the process of buying the Moor Lane site no doubt for another of their dream projects which ain’t gonna happen.
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None of this appears in the Bolton Scene, the good news propaganda rag of the Labour Council delivered to your door 4 times a year at a cost of £50,000. (Compared to £80,000 per year to keep open Animal world)

You’ll hear about the sixth form college and University buildings at the bottom of Deane Rd which I admit are architechturally pleasing to the eye.

This is the sixth form college which has sucked students out of the 6 years old £14m Farnworth Campus resulting in a threat of closure.

The University. This is the university which in 2014 is ranked 105 out of 105 and and in 2012 had the worst drop-out rate with 21.4 per cent of students quitting higher education after just a year. An estimated 45 per cent of undergraduates will fail to complete their full degree course

And of course you will hear about Bolton One (which I call Water Place 2) - another architechtural monstrosity which in 20 years will be in a similar state to the Precinct buildings in Little Lever.

This by the way was built with PFI at a cost of £31m and we’ll be paying through the nose for it for another 25 years. On the plus side they have blacked out windows and women only sessions.
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All this is the result of the grandiose ideas of the Labour Council and the out of control Planning Department.

All this is the true legacy of the Labour Council. They have robbed you and they have beggared the town.

We have got to break the log jam of slavishly following party lines

We have got to get rid of the bed blockers who are tired, out of ideas and lacking in vision

We have got to get rid of this Socialist Cabal who are out of touch with what you want and even if they knew, would ignore you anyway.

They have to go and I plead with you to use your power and start that process on May the 22nd
Could not have worded it much better...

You forgot the old Bolton Royal Infirmary... :p

The Magistrates Court debacle...

Market Hall was a huge feck up also...
Whatever Labour touches turns to dust!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: The state of Bolton. Some of you are of an age where you can remember the Town Centre as a bustling, attractive collection of solid Edwardian buildings with a vast range of retail offer, a Market hall that sold almost everything a dozen or more cinema’s etc etc. This was part of the Heritage that you inherited which identified the town and your connection with it. Then along came the Labour Council. Grandiose schemes were devised and announced. Old and perfectly serviceable buildings were to be demolished and replaced with modern architecture. The plan was placed in the hands of the Director of Demolition and Degeneration who is also in charge of planning.( and by the way is on £108,000 a year) Let’s have a look at some of these schemes. The Central Street development – (that’s back of the old post office to you) . A £100m development including a massive Tesco supermarket, high street stores, cafe bars, restaurants and luxury flats behind a revamped Victoria Hall. The Church Wharf development (back of the Parish Church) £210m dynamic, high quality mixed-use scheme, a new business quarter comprising new office space, a mix of apartments and town houses, a leisure quarter featuring a cinema, retail and leisure units and an 80 bed hotel, The Merchant Quarter (back of the old tram sheds or, if you can’t remember them, round Shifnall street.) A business-led quarter for Bolton that, along with new hotels, restaurants, cafes, bars and public spaces, The Westbrook Gateway (That’s around where they’ve knocked down Machester Road Tech) Outline Planning Consent Granted for up to 100 Houses and 400 SQ M of Non Food Retail Floor space After the spending of countless thousands upon thousand of pounds of your money in the planning, all of these wonderful projects have stalled – stopped – are dead in the water – and never gonna happen -not in my lifetime. Let’s look at what has happened. The Arcade leading to Bradshawgate closed by the extension of Primark leaving all the businesses on that stretch isolated from the Centre. Odeon demolished – now a derelict site Lido demolished and replaced with what must be one of the ugliest buildings in the North West Bolton Tech demolished at a cost of £600,000 Fire station demolished Clarence St school demolished – now a car park and soon to be the headquarters of one of these ‘Have you had an accident in the last three years’ solicitors The Gateway to Bolton futuristic railway bridge in Newport St – on a one way street going out of the town. Clarendon St School demolished and replaced across the road by pinching half of Bobby Heywoods Park. More supermarkets within half a mile of Trinity Street than you can shake a stick at. I mean, there must be a limit on how many cans of baked beans we can buy. Mawdsley St Congregational School opposite St Pat’s (Fad’s) given permission to be demolished and replaced with offices Now still derelict and up for sale as it is. The list is endless. Now we are spending £48 million on the new bus station (close to the railway station which has just had major routes withdrawn from it) which will result in the closure of Moor lane virtually guaranteeing damage to the trade of the Market. Bolton Council have just paid £700,000 to buy the car park land at Bollins yard to do this. They are also in the process of buying the Moor Lane site no doubt for another of their dream projects which ain’t gonna happen. ……………… � � �…………… � �� ��………… � �… ……………… � � �…………… � �� ��………… � �… …………. None of this appears in the Bolton Scene, the good news propaganda rag of the Labour Council delivered to your door 4 times a year at a cost of £50,000. (Compared to £80,000 per year to keep open Animal world) You’ll hear about the sixth form college and University buildings at the bottom of Deane Rd which I admit are architechturally pleasing to the eye. This is the sixth form college which has sucked students out of the 6 years old £14m Farnworth Campus resulting in a threat of closure. The University. This is the university which in 2014 is ranked 105 out of 105 and and in 2012 had the worst drop-out rate with 21.4 per cent of students quitting higher education after just a year. An estimated 45 per cent of undergraduates will fail to complete their full degree course And of course you will hear about Bolton One (which I call Water Place 2) - another architechtural monstrosity which in 20 years will be in a similar state to the Precinct buildings in Little Lever. This by the way was built with PFI at a cost of £31m and we’ll be paying through the nose for it for another 25 years. On the plus side they have blacked out windows and women only sessions. ……………… � � �…………… � �� ��………… � �… ……………… � � �…………… � �� ��………… � �… ………. All this is the result of the grandiose ideas of the Labour Council and the out of control Planning Department. All this is the true legacy of the Labour Council. They have robbed you and they have beggared the town. We have got to break the log jam of slavishly following party lines We have got to get rid of the bed blockers who are tired, out of ideas and lacking in vision We have got to get rid of this Socialist Cabal who are out of touch with what you want and even if they knew, would ignore you anyway. They have to go and I plead with you to use your power and start that process on May the 22nd[/p][/quote]Could not have worded it much better... You forgot the old Bolton Royal Infirmary... :p The Magistrates Court debacle... Market Hall was a huge feck up also...[/p][/quote]Whatever Labour touches turns to dust! Bona Fide
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9:12am Mon 26 May 14

breightmet kid says...

Thousands of pounds spent tarting up Churchgate and for what reason? What a waste of money. But its only like the rest of Bolton, money wasted on political whims. Get the traffic back into the town and watch the crowds flock back in. Do away with traffic wardens and you will have boom time again.

On Thursday this week we get the chance to cast our votes for one third of the councillors so will there be any changes or will the same people be re-elected?

You get what you elect.
Thousands of pounds spent tarting up Churchgate and for what reason? What a waste of money. But its only like the rest of Bolton, money wasted on political whims. Get the traffic back into the town and watch the crowds flock back in. Do away with traffic wardens and you will have boom time again. On Thursday this week we get the chance to cast our votes for one third of the councillors so will there be any changes or will the same people be re-elected? You get what you elect. breightmet kid
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10:45am Mon 26 May 14

paulrich says...

breightmet kid wrote:
Thousands of pounds spent tarting up Churchgate and for what reason? What a waste of money. But its only like the rest of Bolton, money wasted on political whims. Get the traffic back into the town and watch the crowds flock back in. Do away with traffic wardens and you will have boom time again.

On Thursday this week we get the chance to cast our votes for one third of the councillors so will there be any changes or will the same people be re-elected?

You get what you elect.
ER- Election was last week ????
[quote][p][bold]breightmet kid[/bold] wrote: Thousands of pounds spent tarting up Churchgate and for what reason? What a waste of money. But its only like the rest of Bolton, money wasted on political whims. Get the traffic back into the town and watch the crowds flock back in. Do away with traffic wardens and you will have boom time again. On Thursday this week we get the chance to cast our votes for one third of the councillors so will there be any changes or will the same people be re-elected? You get what you elect.[/p][/quote]ER- Election was last week ???? paulrich
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