Shock as men draped in Nazi swastika flags gather in Bolton town centre pub after Germany World Cup game

Louise Ceesay, who was taking part in the Midnight Memories Walk with friends when she came across a group of men draped in swastika flags

Louise Ceesay, who was taking part in the Midnight Memories Walk with friends when she came across a group of men draped in swastika flags

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A FURIOUS mum was left “shocked and disgusted” when she went into a town centre pub and saw a group of men wrapped in flags covered in swastika symbols.

Louise Ceesay and her pals were about to take part in the Bolton Hospice Midnight Memories walk when they called into the Blue Boar pub in Deansgate for a soft drink.

Mum-of-two Miss Ceesay was in the town centre between 11pm and midnight on June 21.

After arriving in Bolton, Miss Ceesay, aged 41, from Deane, and her friends decided to call into the pub as it was close to the start line.

But Louise, who is of mixed white and black African heritage, was appalled when she saw the group of men, clad in flags with the swastika symbol, which was adopted by the German Nazi party in 1920.

She said: “My friend had looked in and suggested that we shouldn’t go in but I thought she meant because it was packed — then I realised what she was talking about.

“I couldn’t believe it when I walked in - there were about seven of them with the flags with swastikas on and I just felt really intimidated by them.

"They were looking at me as if to say ‘what are you doing here?’

“I’m shocked and disgusted that the pub was happy to let these people in with those flags — it is not something you expect to see these days.”


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“I am mixed race and I felt very intimidated - I felt like they were looking at me.”

The pub’s management did not want to comment but did confirm that the men were in the pub with swastika flags.

They were believed to also be wearing German football shirts. Germany had been in World Cup action on the Saturday evening, drawing 2-2 with Ghana.

It is not illegal to simply wear Nazi regalia in public the UK, as it is in Germany, although it can cause legal problems in certain circumstances.

Regarding the swastika, a police spokesman said: “Issues like this depend on the context of the swastika being used.

"If it is being done to deliberately cause offence then it could be deemed a public order offence but the context is important in deciding whether we would investigate an incident.”

Miss Ceesay has not reported the matter to police.

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8:14am Tue 1 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

Grow up, your "race" is irrelevant. There are loads of pubs you wouldn't want to go in for various reasons.

Another none story....
Grow up, your "race" is irrelevant. There are loads of pubs you wouldn't want to go in for various reasons. Another none story.... JustBecause
  • Score: 69

8:17am Tue 1 Jul 14

ChristPMossie says...

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We know there are National Front members in Bolton we have exposed some of them here .
https://www.facebook .com/pages/Exposing- Bolton-Manchester-Ra cists/14665761935870 54? We know there are National Front members in Bolton we have exposed some of them here . ChristPMossie
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8:18am Tue 1 Jul 14

ChristPMossie says...

JustBecause wrote:
Grow up, your "race" is irrelevant. There are loads of pubs you wouldn't want to go in for various reasons.

Another none story....
Some people find the nazi sign offensive, are you saying it's perfectly fine?
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Grow up, your "race" is irrelevant. There are loads of pubs you wouldn't want to go in for various reasons. Another none story....[/p][/quote]Some people find the nazi sign offensive, are you saying it's perfectly fine? ChristPMossie
  • Score: -25

8:38am Tue 1 Jul 14

I KILL GOBBY KIDS says...

They forgot the part where the management ask them if they could put the flags away as they were causing offence to a few customers. Which they did without causing a fuss about it.
They forgot the part where the management ask them if they could put the flags away as they were causing offence to a few customers. Which they did without causing a fuss about it. I KILL GOBBY KIDS
  • Score: 113

9:04am Tue 1 Jul 14

piszoff says...

Lets plaster the town in swastika and call it a celebration of the Defeat of the Nazies. Or give in and just rename the country 'The Little Britain'. Get a life.
Lets plaster the town in swastika and call it a celebration of the Defeat of the Nazies. Or give in and just rename the country 'The Little Britain'. Get a life. piszoff
  • Score: 21

9:26am Tue 1 Jul 14

steveG says...

I think you'll find the swastika symbol goes back a lot further than the last century but is recognised by todays society as the Nazi symbol.
Sticks and stones is a saying from a bygone age also.
I think you'll find the swastika symbol goes back a lot further than the last century but is recognised by todays society as the Nazi symbol. Sticks and stones is a saying from a bygone age also. steveG
  • Score: 46

10:17am Tue 1 Jul 14

Gore Seer says...

Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.
Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units. Gore Seer
  • Score: -29

10:57am Tue 1 Jul 14

BlueRay79 says...

Gore Seer wrote:
Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.
lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.[/p][/quote]lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own. BlueRay79
  • Score: 26

11:35am Tue 1 Jul 14

Rememberscarborough says...

BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.
lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.
I suppose you believe that Hitler and Pol Pot should have been left to their own devices as well...
[quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.[/p][/quote]lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.[/p][/quote]I suppose you believe that Hitler and Pol Pot should have been left to their own devices as well... Rememberscarborough
  • Score: -6

11:58am Tue 1 Jul 14

BlueRay79 says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.
lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.
I suppose you believe that Hitler and Pol Pot should have been left to their own devices as well...
You supposed wrong :D I'm just sick of hearing about poor Iraq and how we destroyed it. It was destroyed long before we got involved.
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.[/p][/quote]lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.[/p][/quote]I suppose you believe that Hitler and Pol Pot should have been left to their own devices as well...[/p][/quote]You supposed wrong :D I'm just sick of hearing about poor Iraq and how we destroyed it. It was destroyed long before we got involved. BlueRay79
  • Score: 22

12:00pm Tue 1 Jul 14

boredofbolton says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.
lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.
I suppose you believe that Hitler and Pol Pot should have been left to their own devices as well...
i think that Blueray79 has his tongue firmly in his cheek.
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.[/p][/quote]lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.[/p][/quote]I suppose you believe that Hitler and Pol Pot should have been left to their own devices as well...[/p][/quote]i think that Blueray79 has his tongue firmly in his cheek. boredofbolton
  • Score: 5

12:15pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Screw you lefties says...

Wow, one sided tale much?

I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika.

All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game..

As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.
Wow, one sided tale much? I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika. All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game.. As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun. Screw you lefties
  • Score: 50

1:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Where'swally says...

Wasn't this just the annual office party for Bolton councils CCTV Car operators....
Wasn't this just the annual office party for Bolton councils CCTV Car operators.... Where'swally
  • Score: 56

1:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Smeagol says...

I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.
I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking. Smeagol
  • Score: 4

1:30pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Smeagol says...

Screw you lefties wrote:
Wow, one sided tale much?

I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika.

All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game..

As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.
It's good to hear the other side of it and I'm glad it was all harmless. But swastikas? Really? Did it not occur to you what message that might give?
[quote][p][bold]Screw you lefties[/bold] wrote: Wow, one sided tale much? I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika. All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game.. As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.[/p][/quote]It's good to hear the other side of it and I'm glad it was all harmless. But swastikas? Really? Did it not occur to you what message that might give? Smeagol
  • Score: -1

1:34pm Tue 1 Jul 14

bluebusman says...

i certainly would not be offended of any symbol being displayed the swastika was a part of history and we cant change it so why should we frown on it being displayed ,its these do gooders who are ruining this country and the world with these stupid ideas ,
i certainly would not be offended of any symbol being displayed the swastika was a part of history and we cant change it so why should we frown on it being displayed ,its these do gooders who are ruining this country and the world with these stupid ideas , bluebusman
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

Smeagol wrote:
I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.
And how did these lose these loved ones? Was this memory walk for armed service members or civilian members of society or both?
[quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.[/p][/quote]And how did these lose these loved ones? Was this memory walk for armed service members or civilian members of society or both? Comment777
  • Score: -20

1:37pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

Smeagol wrote:
I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.
And how did these lose these loved ones? Was this memory walk for armed service members or civilian members of society or both?
[quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.[/p][/quote]And how did these lose these loved ones? Was this memory walk for armed service members or civilian members of society or both? Comment777
  • Score: -13

1:37pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Gore Seer says...

Gore Seer wrote:
Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.
We Used Concentration Camps In The Boar, We Train Children To Shoot To Kill, Are Flag Is Hated Around The World, Hoops Am I Not Supposed To Say That?.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.[/p][/quote]We Used Concentration Camps In The Boar, We Train Children To Shoot To Kill, Are Flag Is Hated Around The World, Hoops Am I Not Supposed To Say That?. Gore Seer
  • Score: -15

1:48pm Tue 1 Jul 14

the big dog says...

I'm deeply offended by Muslim women (or men trying to flee arrest) walking around in burkhas. Pity the paper won't take such comments. The skewd approach adopted his not left me feeling too good about a so called 'local' paper.
I'm deeply offended by Muslim women (or men trying to flee arrest) walking around in burkhas. Pity the paper won't take such comments. The skewd approach adopted his not left me feeling too good about a so called 'local' paper. the big dog
  • Score: 41

1:55pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Annelime says...

The headline leads to believe that they were out to cause trouble and were completely clad in German natzi uniform! Instead they were a group out for a laugh to celebrate the World Cup! Maybe it was bad taste but i doubt the group were out to cause malice! Prince Harry pulled it off!
The headline leads to believe that they were out to cause trouble and were completely clad in German natzi uniform! Instead they were a group out for a laugh to celebrate the World Cup! Maybe it was bad taste but i doubt the group were out to cause malice! Prince Harry pulled it off! Annelime
  • Score: 50

2:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

For those with a limited knowledge of how Germany was let down by certain members of its society and that led to a new leader of the Volk coming to power read Hitler, The Germans and the Final Solutionby by Ian Kershaw
For those with a limited knowledge of how Germany was let down by certain members of its society and that led to a new leader of the Volk coming to power read Hitler, The Germans and the Final Solutionby by Ian Kershaw Comment777
  • Score: 10

2:28pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Jerry cruncher says...

I'm offended by the sight of people wearing burka's which I consider to be an expression of Islamic extremism,maybe the Bolton news can run a story about this?
I'm offended by the sight of people wearing burka's which I consider to be an expression of Islamic extremism,maybe the Bolton news can run a story about this? Jerry cruncher
  • Score: 62

2:46pm Tue 1 Jul 14

zoomzam says...

Jerry cruncher wrote:
I'm offended by the sight of people wearing burka's which I consider to be an expression of Islamic extremism,maybe the Bolton news can run a story about this?
What a doddle! You havent got a clue! Your demented mind makes you associate the burkha with extremism. You need a serious lesson in history and what Hitler did to millions.Those EDL must be wearing them under their shirts.....bet you are one of the!
[quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: I'm offended by the sight of people wearing burka's which I consider to be an expression of Islamic extremism,maybe the Bolton news can run a story about this?[/p][/quote]What a doddle! You havent got a clue! Your demented mind makes you associate the burkha with extremism. You need a serious lesson in history and what Hitler did to millions.Those EDL must be wearing them under their shirts.....bet you are one of the! zoomzam
  • Score: -56

3:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Jerry cruncher says...

zoomzam wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
I'm offended by the sight of people wearing burka's which I consider to be an expression of Islamic extremism,maybe the Bolton news can run a story about this?
What a doddle! You havent got a clue! Your demented mind makes you associate the burkha with extremism. You need a serious lesson in history and what Hitler did to millions.Those EDL must be wearing them under their shirts.....bet you are one of the!
The EDL was set up in protest at Islamic extremists burning poppies and therefore desecrating the memories of those that gave their lives to defeat nazism.A lot of Muslims see the burka as extreme.Please,in future just think about what you're posting so as not to make yourself appear a complete and utter imbecile
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: I'm offended by the sight of people wearing burka's which I consider to be an expression of Islamic extremism,maybe the Bolton news can run a story about this?[/p][/quote]What a doddle! You havent got a clue! Your demented mind makes you associate the burkha with extremism. You need a serious lesson in history and what Hitler did to millions.Those EDL must be wearing them under their shirts.....bet you are one of the![/p][/quote]The EDL was set up in protest at Islamic extremists burning poppies and therefore desecrating the memories of those that gave their lives to defeat nazism.A lot of Muslims see the burka as extreme.Please,in future just think about what you're posting so as not to make yourself appear a complete and utter imbecile Jerry cruncher
  • Score: 47

4:12pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.
lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.
You'll actually find that more Iraqi's have been murdered as a direct consequence of the coalition invasion of Iraq than Sadam had killed in the several decades of his entire rule.

Don't be so naive, of course the mess in Iraq is owing to our intervention.
Sadam should have been left where he was, at least the country was operating, albeit not in a western democratic fashion.

We need to understand that democracies don't work globally.

Especially after we pump dictatorships with arms for years to serve a benefit for our interest (oil) not giving a single thought for the civilian populous .

We only intervene when it suites our needs, it a sad reality, an evil reality. Even
Interesting question Openminded, it's rare that such stories are reported and we are given the opportunity to raise such questions. Very rare indeed.

So .... do we now blame the entire white populous for this ones mans actions? Do we blame the Church for not intervening, as surely the Church must have knowledge of all of those who live within the community?

A just and fair society, one which thrives on human decency would say absolutely not.
The only person to blame is the individual responsible. This should be taken as reference before the right winged anti anything not English brigade appear on similar stories

The blood of the Iraqi and Afghan dead of the last decade or so is left stained on our hands, yes, we the British public, I speak collectively as it was our 'democracy' which caused what is now the sorry state of Iraq.
[quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Cant Under Stand The Fuss We Started Illegal Wars, The Killing Fields Of Iraq, Afghanistan, We Sent In The S.S Special Service Units.[/p][/quote]lol illegal wars? Which wars are legal? Saddam should have been left where he was to keep the order, even if that did mean slaying millions of his own.[/p][/quote]You'll actually find that more Iraqi's have been murdered as a direct consequence of the coalition invasion of Iraq than Sadam had killed in the several decades of his entire rule. Don't be so naive, of course the mess in Iraq is owing to our intervention. Sadam should have been left where he was, at least the country was operating, albeit not in a western democratic fashion. We need to understand that democracies don't work globally. Especially after we pump dictatorships with arms for years to serve a benefit for our interest (oil) not giving a single thought for the civilian populous . We only intervene when it suites our needs, it a sad reality, an evil reality. Even Interesting question Openminded, it's rare that such stories are reported and we are given the opportunity to raise such questions. Very rare indeed. So .... do we now blame the entire white populous for this ones mans actions? Do we blame the Church for not intervening, as surely the Church must have knowledge of all of those who live within the community? A just and fair society, one which thrives on human decency would say absolutely not. The only person to blame is the individual responsible. This should be taken as reference before the right winged anti anything not English brigade appear on similar stories The blood of the Iraqi and Afghan dead of the last decade or so is left stained on our hands, yes, we the British public, I speak collectively as it was our 'democracy' which caused what is now the sorry state of Iraq. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 40

4:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

ReginaldLong says...

Wow I knew Bolton had some racists, but reading the comments on here I'm astonished. No matter the colour of skin Nazi's were bad, promoting Nazism is bad. You people sicken me.
Wow I knew Bolton had some racists, but reading the comments on here I'm astonished. No matter the colour of skin Nazi's were bad, promoting Nazism is bad. You people sicken me. ReginaldLong
  • Score: -54

4:14pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

Someone else's post is doubled in mine .... ?
Someone else's post is doubled in mine .... ? Lawlesschat
  • Score: -8

4:30pm Tue 1 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

Is it any wonder people resort to this... they are fed up of what's happened to this country over the last 50 years ...FACT
Is it any wonder people resort to this... they are fed up of what's happened to this country over the last 50 years ...FACT DAUBHILL85
  • Score: 31

4:43pm Tue 1 Jul 14

buskersball says...

Screw you lefties wrote:
Wow, one sided tale much?

I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika.

All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game..

As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.
Good laugh eh? Have you been to the war memorial recently...think you'll find a few names on there of people who don't find swastikas funny
[quote][p][bold]Screw you lefties[/bold] wrote: Wow, one sided tale much? I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika. All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game.. As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.[/p][/quote]Good laugh eh? Have you been to the war memorial recently...think you'll find a few names on there of people who don't find swastikas funny buskersball
  • Score: -3

5:19pm Tue 1 Jul 14

boltonNWI says...

ZOOMZAM do you by any chane watch the news and the fact that islam now has a higher death rate around the world than the nazis ever did?????
ZOOMZAM do you by any chane watch the news and the fact that islam now has a higher death rate around the world than the nazis ever did????? boltonNWI
  • Score: 26

5:28pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Gore Seer says...

Well If The Swastika Is Good Enuf For Are Prince To Wear It On The Streets Of London It'll Do Me.
Well If The Swastika Is Good Enuf For Are Prince To Wear It On The Streets Of London It'll Do Me. Gore Seer
  • Score: 20

5:53pm Tue 1 Jul 14

pecky2k says...

I'm sure that once upon a time that people could say and do as they pleased as long as it wasn't a criminal act.
What has Louise Cessay's heritage to do with anything?
If they wanted to wear pink and yellow spotted flags would Mr Blobby have issues about it?
How many of us are guilty of telling Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman jokes, are they classed as racist?
Have you ever told a fat joke? A spectacles joke? a skinny person joke?
Of course we all have, it is life.
Being racist is a state of mind not displaying a sign or uttering words. I'm not racist, I have my own personal views on things which is my right, I personally think that this report is making a big deal over something and nothing. If they want to wear swastika's let them, I personally don't like cross dressers but can't take that to the papers.
Sick of seeing folk moan over nothing, if what they were doing was offending you then go drink elsewhere....get a life!
I'm sure that once upon a time that people could say and do as they pleased as long as it wasn't a criminal act. What has Louise Cessay's heritage to do with anything? If they wanted to wear pink and yellow spotted flags would Mr Blobby have issues about it? How many of us are guilty of telling Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman jokes, are they classed as racist? Have you ever told a fat joke? A spectacles joke? a skinny person joke? Of course we all have, it is life. Being racist is a state of mind not displaying a sign or uttering words. I'm not racist, I have my own personal views on things which is my right, I personally think that this report is making a big deal over something and nothing. If they want to wear swastika's let them, I personally don't like cross dressers but can't take that to the papers. Sick of seeing folk moan over nothing, if what they were doing was offending you then go drink elsewhere....get a life! pecky2k
  • Score: 39

6:27pm Tue 1 Jul 14

fay clarke says...

I thought we lived in a democracy?
I thought we lived in a democracy? fay clarke
  • Score: 31

6:41pm Tue 1 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

fay clarke wrote:
I thought we lived in a democracy?
Looks like the admin have deleted comments from some posters !!!
[quote][p][bold]fay clarke[/bold] wrote: I thought we lived in a democracy?[/p][/quote]Looks like the admin have deleted comments from some posters !!! DAUBHILL85
  • Score: 16

7:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

Wow, admin deleted my comment about finding zebras offensive!
Wow, admin deleted my comment about finding zebras offensive! JustBecause
  • Score: 19

7:05pm Tue 1 Jul 14

artistpaint says...

They must be copying prince harry.
They must be copying prince harry. artistpaint
  • Score: 17

7:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

artistpaint says...

What we all want to know is who owns the bolton evening news.....lol
What we all want to know is who owns the bolton evening news.....lol artistpaint
  • Score: 27

7:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

artistpaint says...

Jerry cruncher bang on.red poppys and all the brave men and women who lost there lives.remember each and everyone........
Jerry cruncher bang on.red poppys and all the brave men and women who lost there lives.remember each and everyone........ artistpaint
  • Score: 24

7:27pm Tue 1 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

Newsquest Media group, pretty cash rich company look like they are doing ok :)
Newsquest Media group, pretty cash rich company look like they are doing ok :) JustBecause
  • Score: -5

8:22pm Tue 1 Jul 14

calvin street says...

Furious, Shocked and Disgusted,
After arriving in Bolton, miss c from Deane
Yes Deane, She must of needed a drink after travelling such a long way.
There were about seven of them
Come on Bolton News, get a grip of your reporters.
Furious, Shocked and Disgusted, After arriving in Bolton, miss c from Deane Yes Deane, She must of needed a drink after travelling such a long way. There were about seven of them Come on Bolton News, get a grip of your reporters. calvin street
  • Score: 17

10:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Mick England says...

I find the islamic black flag of jihad offensive, even moreso than the swastika, the reason being is because we in 2014 we don't see nazi's in any part of the world controlling any aspect of our life. The flag though is a different matter!
I find the islamic black flag of jihad offensive, even moreso than the swastika, the reason being is because we in 2014 we don't see nazi's in any part of the world controlling any aspect of our life. The flag though is a different matter! Mick England
  • Score: 13

10:05pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Don Kiddick says...

Reporters?
Reporters? Don Kiddick
  • Score: 9

10:10pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Don Kiddick says...

To be honest, they were probably looking that ludicrous pullover and haircut.

And what's being a "mum-of-two" got to do with this story?

Idiots with swastikas? just a bunch of prats with the mentality of white van drivers. They are nothing and will come to nothing.
To be honest, they were probably looking that ludicrous pullover and haircut. And what's being a "mum-of-two" got to do with this story? Idiots with swastikas? just a bunch of prats with the mentality of white van drivers. They are nothing and will come to nothing. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -14

10:17pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Newonhojeel says...

I find bright pink jumpers with zebras on them offensive.
I find bright pink jumpers with zebras on them offensive. Newonhojeel
  • Score: 17

10:41pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Citizen Cane says...

How about the offence caused by the third wife of Mohammed? Or is that excusable for some invented reason?
How about the offence caused by the third wife of Mohammed? Or is that excusable for some invented reason? Citizen Cane
  • Score: 7

10:41pm Tue 1 Jul 14

127001 says...

Smeagol wrote:
I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.
I take each story by the BN with a pinch of salt these days - as I've said on a previous post the 'stories' are half baked and appear somewhat sensationalised to make something appear far worse than it actually is. All this story has managed to do is create trouble.

Of course... carrying around a Swastika flag isn't the best idea in the world - but the problem appears to have been sorted by both the pub staff and Police - isolated incident and I'm sure whoever is involved will think twice in the future.
[quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.[/p][/quote]I take each story by the BN with a pinch of salt these days - as I've said on a previous post the 'stories' are half baked and appear somewhat sensationalised to make something appear far worse than it actually is. All this story has managed to do is create trouble. Of course... carrying around a Swastika flag isn't the best idea in the world - but the problem appears to have been sorted by both the pub staff and Police - isolated incident and I'm sure whoever is involved will think twice in the future. 127001
  • Score: 19

10:46pm Tue 1 Jul 14

mr.mark.c says...

artistpaint wrote:
What we all want to know is who owns the bolton evening news.....lol
Nobody, it doesnt exist anymore.
[quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: What we all want to know is who owns the bolton evening news.....lol[/p][/quote]Nobody, it doesnt exist anymore. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 15

3:59am Wed 2 Jul 14

StGeorge1000 says...

What's this story got to do with Islam, bunch of racist scum !
What's this story got to do with Islam, bunch of racist scum ! StGeorge1000
  • Score: -10

6:45am Wed 2 Jul 14

Wigan Trotter says...

Many of the comments defending the ones wearing the regalia only show the level of mentality of some in our country today.
Many of the comments defending the ones wearing the regalia only show the level of mentality of some in our country today. Wigan Trotter
  • Score: -9

7:27am Wed 2 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
Many of the comments defending the ones wearing the regalia only show the level of mentality of some in our country today.
Or it shows the fact that we still live in a country where your free to you opinion and ability to do as you please within the law, Something that the future may not hold.
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Many of the comments defending the ones wearing the regalia only show the level of mentality of some in our country today.[/p][/quote]Or it shows the fact that we still live in a country where your free to you opinion and ability to do as you please within the law, Something that the future may not hold. JustBecause
  • Score: 18

10:16am Wed 2 Jul 14

bwfcpaul says...

can as i just say the landlord (Tony) asked the TWO men to take their flags off which they did do with no fuss.
can as i just say the landlord (Tony) asked the TWO men to take their flags off which they did do with no fuss. bwfcpaul
  • Score: 19

11:25am Wed 2 Jul 14

Smeagol says...

127001 wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.
I take each story by the BN with a pinch of salt these days - as I've said on a previous post the 'stories' are half baked and appear somewhat sensationalised to make something appear far worse than it actually is. All this story has managed to do is create trouble.

Of course... carrying around a Swastika flag isn't the best idea in the world - but the problem appears to have been sorted by both the pub staff and Police - isolated incident and I'm sure whoever is involved will think twice in the future.
What a very sensible and balanced comment.
[quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: I am surprised that so many readers seem so unbothered by this. Yes the swastika is a very old symbol, but what it now means to most is Nazism, and what this means to me (and may others) is fear, oppression, violence and the systematic slaughter of people. I too would have been offended and intimidated if I went into a pub with groups of people wearing the symbol, and I'm caucasian. Perhaps that was the reaction they wanted to engender in people. Let's face it, if you dress like that, you're not trying to give the impression that you're an empathic, cuddly teddy bear. It's good to hear they were asked to put their swastikas away and that they did this without protest, but the fact that people want to identify with such a cruel, senseless and destructive regime is quite worrying. The contrast between these neo-Nazis (apparently) and the group of women taking part in a charitable event to remember loved ones they have lost (thankfully not in the gas chambers) is striking.[/p][/quote]I take each story by the BN with a pinch of salt these days - as I've said on a previous post the 'stories' are half baked and appear somewhat sensationalised to make something appear far worse than it actually is. All this story has managed to do is create trouble. Of course... carrying around a Swastika flag isn't the best idea in the world - but the problem appears to have been sorted by both the pub staff and Police - isolated incident and I'm sure whoever is involved will think twice in the future.[/p][/quote]What a very sensible and balanced comment. Smeagol
  • Score: 7

11:54am Wed 2 Jul 14

boltonNWI says...

removeing my comments you tossers so i say again

5W We Go Were We Want
removeing my comments you tossers so i say again 5W We Go Were We Want boltonNWI
  • Score: -4

12:25pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Donkey Stone says...

Screw you lefties wrote:
Wow, one sided tale much?

I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika.

All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game..

As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.
Has no one told you. In this oh so sensitive country we live in a sense of humour is banned,as is irony. Naughty boy.
[quote][p][bold]Screw you lefties[/bold] wrote: Wow, one sided tale much? I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika. All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game.. As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.[/p][/quote]Has no one told you. In this oh so sensitive country we live in a sense of humour is banned,as is irony. Naughty boy. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 11

12:27pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Donkey Stone says...

Anyone who is "shocked" at seeing a symbol should really try to get out more often.Has she never seen one before?
Anyone who is "shocked" at seeing a symbol should really try to get out more often.Has she never seen one before? Donkey Stone
  • Score: 15

12:33pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Donkey Stone says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
Many of the comments defending the ones wearing the regalia only show the level of mentality of some in our country today.
Anyone denying freedom of expression or speech is guess what? Yep you've got it, A Nazi.
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Many of the comments defending the ones wearing the regalia only show the level of mentality of some in our country today.[/p][/quote]Anyone denying freedom of expression or speech is guess what? Yep you've got it, A Nazi. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 15

12:35pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Donkey Stone says...

Try writing both sides of the story Liam.
Try writing both sides of the story Liam. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 10

6:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

Wigan Trotter says...

JustBecause wrote:
Wigan Trotter wrote:
Many of the comments defending the ones wearing the regalia only show the level of mentality of some in our country today.
Or it shows the fact that we still live in a country where your free to you opinion and ability to do as you please within the law, Something that the future may not hold.
A freedom we still have by defeating the despot and his cronies who were responsible for the murder of millions and do you think that you would be enjoying the same freedom, if we had lost the war?

The answer is no!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Many of the comments defending the ones wearing the regalia only show the level of mentality of some in our country today.[/p][/quote]Or it shows the fact that we still live in a country where your free to you opinion and ability to do as you please within the law, Something that the future may not hold.[/p][/quote]A freedom we still have by defeating the despot and his cronies who were responsible for the murder of millions and do you think that you would be enjoying the same freedom, if we had lost the war? The answer is no! Wigan Trotter
  • Score: -2

6:45am Thu 3 Jul 14

Wigan Trotter says...

Donkey Stone wrote:
Screw you lefties wrote:
Wow, one sided tale much?

I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika.

All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game..

As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.
Has no one told you. In this oh so sensitive country we live in a sense of humour is banned,as is irony. Naughty boy.
You need to get a life if you think it was 'harmless fun' to wear a symbol of a despot who along with his other evil cronies was responsible for the deaths of millions and thankfully lost a war which still allows people the right of freedom of expression and speech.

The next time you want to have a bit of 'harmless fun' I suggest you dress up as your user name and everyone can then have a proper laugh!
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Screw you lefties[/bold] wrote: Wow, one sided tale much? I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika. All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game.. As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.[/p][/quote]Has no one told you. In this oh so sensitive country we live in a sense of humour is banned,as is irony. Naughty boy.[/p][/quote]You need to get a life if you think it was 'harmless fun' to wear a symbol of a despot who along with his other evil cronies was responsible for the deaths of millions and thankfully lost a war which still allows people the right of freedom of expression and speech. The next time you want to have a bit of 'harmless fun' I suggest you dress up as your user name and everyone can then have a proper laugh! Wigan Trotter
  • Score: -7

10:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

Donkey Stone says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
Donkey Stone wrote:
Screw you lefties wrote:
Wow, one sided tale much?

I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika.

All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game..

As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.
Has no one told you. In this oh so sensitive country we live in a sense of humour is banned,as is irony. Naughty boy.
You need to get a life if you think it was 'harmless fun' to wear a symbol of a despot who along with his other evil cronies was responsible for the deaths of millions and thankfully lost a war which still allows people the right of freedom of expression and speech.

The next time you want to have a bit of 'harmless fun' I suggest you dress up as your user name and everyone can then have a proper laugh!
I suggest you dress up as a miserable git, which is your normal attire.
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Screw you lefties[/bold] wrote: Wow, one sided tale much? I was actually part of this group and onely one was wearing the swastika. All we did, was went out and had a good night watching the germany game.. As someone else said, we took the flags off after asked and even police offices were having a laugh with us... it was all harmless fun.[/p][/quote]Has no one told you. In this oh so sensitive country we live in a sense of humour is banned,as is irony. Naughty boy.[/p][/quote]You need to get a life if you think it was 'harmless fun' to wear a symbol of a despot who along with his other evil cronies was responsible for the deaths of millions and thankfully lost a war which still allows people the right of freedom of expression and speech. The next time you want to have a bit of 'harmless fun' I suggest you dress up as your user name and everyone can then have a proper laugh![/p][/quote]I suggest you dress up as a miserable git, which is your normal attire. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 6

11:48am Thu 3 Jul 14

mrs philainsy says...

"They were looking at me as if to say ‘what are you doing here?’


Dear oh Dear!!!
Surely this lady does not think these people were looking at her because she is Mixed Race.
After the amount of alcohol they had quaffed, they probably could not even focus on her.
Was she in fact wearing that jumper or one of equal "loudness"?
If so I suggest that is what they were staring at.
WHY is "race" brought into every situation in Bolton?
This isnt Kensington or The Hamptons - get used to it.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzz.
"They were looking at me as if to say ‘what are you doing here?’ Dear oh Dear!!! Surely this lady does not think these people were looking at her because she is Mixed Race. After the amount of alcohol they had quaffed, they probably could not even focus on her. Was she in fact wearing that jumper or one of equal "loudness"? If so I suggest that is what they were staring at. WHY is "race" brought into every situation in Bolton? This isnt Kensington or The Hamptons - get used to it. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz. mrs philainsy
  • Score: 7

11:48am Thu 3 Jul 14

mrs philainsy says...

"They were looking at me as if to say ‘what are you doing here?’


Dear oh Dear!!!
Surely this lady does not think these people were looking at her because she is Mixed Race.
After the amount of alcohol they had quaffed, they probably could not even focus on her.
Was she in fact wearing that jumper or one of equal "loudness"?
If so I suggest that is what they were staring at.
WHY is "race" brought into every situation in Bolton?
This isnt Kensington or The Hamptons - get used to it.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzz.
"They were looking at me as if to say ‘what are you doing here?’ Dear oh Dear!!! Surely this lady does not think these people were looking at her because she is Mixed Race. After the amount of alcohol they had quaffed, they probably could not even focus on her. Was she in fact wearing that jumper or one of equal "loudness"? If so I suggest that is what they were staring at. WHY is "race" brought into every situation in Bolton? This isnt Kensington or The Hamptons - get used to it. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz. mrs philainsy
  • Score: 12

12:37pm Thu 3 Jul 14

nosidetaken says...

I would just like to point out for future readers this pub the blue boar has been taken over by new management as of yesterday this is not in anyway a result of this article though so anyone judging this place based on one incident sould maybe try visiting and seeing for themselves its a quite friendly place
I would just like to point out for future readers this pub the blue boar has been taken over by new management as of yesterday this is not in anyway a result of this article though so anyone judging this place based on one incident sould maybe try visiting and seeing for themselves its a quite friendly place nosidetaken
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Donkey Stone says...

How did this "shocked" woman know what the people were thinking when they looked at her?
How did this "shocked" woman know what the people were thinking when they looked at her? Donkey Stone
  • Score: 12

9:19am Fri 4 Jul 14

colournature says...

I doubt that the guys who were wearing the swastick flags had any idea of its true meaning and the true history behind what the swasticker means - just like Prince Harry did a few years ago when he wore one at a fancy dress -again we need to educated the young instead of letting them play on games all the time
I doubt that the guys who were wearing the swastick flags had any idea of its true meaning and the true history behind what the swasticker means - just like Prince Harry did a few years ago when he wore one at a fancy dress -again we need to educated the young instead of letting them play on games all the time colournature
  • Score: -5

4:39pm Sat 5 Jul 14

JShepard says...

The German army was the largest multi-racial army in the world. They believed in the Aryan race being superior but that did not mean they mercilessly wanted to kill inferior races. Jews were put into internment camps in the same way that the Americans put Japanese in internment camps. Many thousands died from Typhus.

Both my grandfathers served in WW2, one was shot, the other blown up by mortar. They both lost friends murdered infront of them.

If anybody ever has any reason to complain about the swastika it us, the children of these men.

We don't because we're not whiny little ****.
The German army was the largest multi-racial army in the world. They believed in the Aryan race being superior but that did not mean they mercilessly wanted to kill inferior races. Jews were put into internment camps in the same way that the Americans put Japanese in internment camps. Many thousands died from Typhus. Both my grandfathers served in WW2, one was shot, the other blown up by mortar. They both lost friends murdered infront of them. If anybody ever has any reason to complain about the swastika it us, the children of these men. We don't because we're not whiny little ****. JShepard
  • Score: 6

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