Bolton shuts down as one-day strike hits vital services

The Bolton News: Bolton Town Hall Bolton Town Hall

SCHOOLS are closed and council services cancelled today as thousands of local workers strike over pay and pensions in one of the largest walkouts the town has ever seen.

Picket lines have been mounted outside schools, council depots and offices.

They have been manned from 6am, with a demonstration held in Victoria Square later this morning, to protest against government pay policies.

The joint action has been called by Unison, GMB and Unite, with the National Union of Teachers (NUT) and the Fire Brigades Union also choosing today to strike in anger at national changes to pay, pensions and working conditions.

Carers, bin men, street cleaners and teaching assistants are among the council and school support workers in Bolton taking the action, together with teachers and firefighters.

Joint trade union pickets and protests are taking place in Le Mans Crescent, Howell Croft, Wellsprings, Paderborn House, Castle Hill Centre, Wellington Yard, Mayor Street Depot and Breightmet Health Centre.

Unison, Unite and GMB have opted to strike in protest at the National Employers’ pay offer of one per cent for 2014/15.

Unions say their workers, many of whom are low paid, are being made to pay for a crisis they did not cause.

Bernadette Gallagher, secretary of the Bolton branch of Unison, said: “The action will send out a very powerful message to the government that enough is enough.

“The government says there has to be restraint in public sector pay until 2018, when the books are balanced, and that is completely unacceptable.

“Our members have had three years of pay freezes and a below-inflation rise — this means pay has reduced by 20 per cent since 2010 — and now the economy is improving and there is money.

“No-one wants to withdraw their labour and we are asking for people to get a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work.”

The NUT is striking as part of its continuing dispute with the government over pensions, pay and conditions of service.

Teachers will be outside schools, including Harper Green in Farnworth, and Westhoughton High School.

The rally and demonstration will start at 10.30am in Victoria Square.

Julia Simpkins, secretary of the Bolton-branch of the NUT: “This will be one of the biggest walkouts to have taken place in a long time.

“At the NUT Conference it was decided a strike would be called in June, but the decision was taken to put that back to July so we could be in line with everyone else.

“Teachers do not like going out on strike and the message to the government is the same. We want Education Secretary Michael Gove to take part in meaningful talks, but he has made it clear he is there to talk about the terms and conditions he has already imposed and not there to listen to what we say.”

Ms Simpkins said sustained industrial action over the last couple of years had forced changes, including making Mr Gove agree to come to the negotiating table.

She added: “The action is not just about pay, but also about education.”

Ms Simpkins said: “I am expecting a good turnout of teachers. There will be pickets outside schools before we all join the rally in the Town Hall Square.”

Bolton Council said it has been working to ensure emergency cover is still provided to help vulnerable members of the community Its phone service will be limited today, but anyone with an emergency should contact the council on 01204 333333 .

Sean Harriss, council chief executive, said: “The main message I want to get out is that the general public must know that access to council services and buildings today will essentially not happen.

“Refuse collections, libraries, adult and children’s centres — all these things the public would seek to access will not be taking place.

“This is a national dispute not relating to any specific dispute with Bolton Council.

“A set of national negotiations have been concluded and a pay offer has been made.”

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6:44am Thu 10 Jul 14

Donkey Stone says...

Good on them. The ordinary working people have been dumped on long enough whilst the £50,00 plus brigade never suffer.
Good on them. The ordinary working people have been dumped on long enough whilst the £50,00 plus brigade never suffer. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 21

6:58am Thu 10 Jul 14

Londonlancs says...

It pleases me to see people showing unity and strength against the powers above!Allthough strikes might seem like an inconvenience to some people,they are there to say "hey,we aren't standing for this "!Contrary to some beliefs,strikes are only used as a last resort,when there is a breakdown in talks between the unions and government or ruling bodies.This is 99% of the time the refusal of the government to meet the minor demands of the union that leads to the breakdown in talks,with the unions looking for 100% fairness,decent pay,decent pensions and decent working conditions for its workers.If the unions don't stand up as our voice to the powers above,who will ?who will fight for nurses doctors firefighters teachers,the essential things we take for granted that are being torn apart piece by piece,?we still need a collective voice and that is a union voice,and if it calls for strike action ,you can be sure that it does so as a last resort in a battle for it's members.So if you pass a picket line today ,honk your horn,go say "well done"Shake hands and show support because they are only the same as you and me,they only want a fair deal at the end of the day.
On a final note!
Just remember last year that parliament voted for an 11% pay rise,and got it for its members,the NHS wanted/needed a much deserved pay rise ,the government offered them a 1% rise (and not to all either) .Fairness?
It pleases me to see people showing unity and strength against the powers above!Allthough strikes might seem like an inconvenience to some people,they are there to say "hey,we aren't standing for this "!Contrary to some beliefs,strikes are only used as a last resort,when there is a breakdown in talks between the unions and government or ruling bodies.This is 99% of the time the refusal of the government to meet the minor demands of the union that leads to the breakdown in talks,with the unions looking for 100% fairness,decent pay,decent pensions and decent working conditions for its workers.If the unions don't stand up as our voice to the powers above,who will ?who will fight for nurses doctors firefighters teachers,the essential things we take for granted that are being torn apart piece by piece,?we still need a collective voice and that is a union voice,and if it calls for strike action ,you can be sure that it does so as a last resort in a battle for it's members.So if you pass a picket line today ,honk your horn,go say "well done"Shake hands and show support because they are only the same as you and me,they only want a fair deal at the end of the day. On a final note! Just remember last year that parliament voted for an 11% pay rise,and got it for its members,the NHS wanted/needed a much deserved pay rise ,the government offered them a 1% rise (and not to all either) .Fairness? Londonlancs
  • Score: 21

6:58am Thu 10 Jul 14

Mike107 says...

I've either not had a pay rise or not had one beat inflation for years too. I can't strike over it. For these guys to get the pay rise my taxes will have to go up, or money be taken from elsewhere. Can't say I'm a fan of strikes.
I've either not had a pay rise or not had one beat inflation for years too. I can't strike over it. For these guys to get the pay rise my taxes will have to go up, or money be taken from elsewhere. Can't say I'm a fan of strikes. Mike107
  • Score: -1

7:04am Thu 10 Jul 14

bluemeanie63 says...

to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today?
Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?
to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today? Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages? bluemeanie63
  • Score: -1

7:28am Thu 10 Jul 14

llcoolwayne says...

bluemeanie63 wrote:
to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today?
Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?
Send your invoice to the same place I send mine for the pension that the government is stealing from me !!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today? Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?[/p][/quote]Send your invoice to the same place I send mine for the pension that the government is stealing from me !!!!!! llcoolwayne
  • Score: 16

7:59am Thu 10 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

bluemeanie63 wrote:
to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today?
Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?
Hear, hear, it's a joke. Not happy ? find another job, total and utter selfish bastards.

I would pay most of these what they get now, substandard service from the council across all sectors.
[quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today? Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?[/p][/quote]Hear, hear, it's a joke. Not happy ? find another job, total and utter selfish bastards. I would pay most of these what they get now, substandard service from the council across all sectors. JustBecause
  • Score: -15

8:05am Thu 10 Jul 14

mililly says...

bluemeanie63 wrote:
to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today?
Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?
Its for one day and they are striking for what they believe in. If you could strike for what you believe in then you would. These people are also losing a days pay so its not just parents. At the end of the day its probably not going to make any difference as them lot higher up have already decided but why should mps get 11%. We should in this country be allowed to fight for what we want
[quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today? Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?[/p][/quote]Its for one day and they are striking for what they believe in. If you could strike for what you believe in then you would. These people are also losing a days pay so its not just parents. At the end of the day its probably not going to make any difference as them lot higher up have already decided but why should mps get 11%. We should in this country be allowed to fight for what we want mililly
  • Score: 12

8:49am Thu 10 Jul 14

Annelime says...

The bin men have no pride! I'd cut their wages not increase them!! One hit my car with the van and drove off, more recently I hear a load of screaming and shouting while putting my baby in my car! This turned out to be a bin man and a female bin truck driver having a full blown argument with obscenities! And even more recently a bin bag full of rubbish was dumped in the street it was there for ages while the bin men walked past it, now it's spread all down the street as somebody was routing in it at 4am. Last week a bolton council can with a cage on the back parked up at the side of it, got out, looked at it then drove off! Decrease their pay! They are not worth what they get now!!
The bin men have no pride! I'd cut their wages not increase them!! One hit my car with the van and drove off, more recently I hear a load of screaming and shouting while putting my baby in my car! This turned out to be a bin man and a female bin truck driver having a full blown argument with obscenities! And even more recently a bin bag full of rubbish was dumped in the street it was there for ages while the bin men walked past it, now it's spread all down the street as somebody was routing in it at 4am. Last week a bolton council can with a cage on the back parked up at the side of it, got out, looked at it then drove off! Decrease their pay! They are not worth what they get now!! Annelime
  • Score: -3

9:08am Thu 10 Jul 14

stereo_world says...

bluemeanie63 wrote:
to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today?
Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?
Because Bluemeanie, that would make sense. Something that the council know nothing of.

Go on, down vote me all you like, people.
[quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today? Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?[/p][/quote]Because Bluemeanie, that would make sense. Something that the council know nothing of. Go on, down vote me all you like, people. stereo_world
  • Score: 2

9:18am Thu 10 Jul 14

Citizen Cane says...

Here's what they are NOT striking about:

- the annual increment system : a pay-rise in all but name - you get an increase just because you have been "working" for another year in public sector low productivity land
- gold plated, over generous pensions
- firemen who fight fires for less than 5% of their working hours, 75% of which are trivial events
- bin men who do not work their full quota of hours under "finish and go" arrangements
- absenteeism at up to twice the level in the private sector
- early retirement on full pensions
- shoddy provision of public "services" primarily aimed at the so-called disadvantaged, who don't pay for it In the first place
- no productivity improvement targets
- all the non-jobs in diversity, gypsy liaison etc
Here's what they are NOT striking about: - the annual increment system : a pay-rise in all but name - you get an increase just because you have been "working" for another year in public sector low productivity land - gold plated, over generous pensions - firemen who fight fires for less than 5% of their working hours, 75% of which are trivial events - bin men who do not work their full quota of hours under "finish and go" arrangements - absenteeism at up to twice the level in the private sector - early retirement on full pensions - shoddy provision of public "services" primarily aimed at the so-called disadvantaged, who don't pay for it In the first place - no productivity improvement targets - all the non-jobs in diversity, gypsy liaison etc Citizen Cane
  • Score: -1

9:40am Thu 10 Jul 14

JOHN HIGHAM says...

Am I the only person that look`s at these strikes in a totally different viewing ?
1, The wages have been held at 1% over the last 2 years (you cant have any more money)
2 prices at your local supermarket have blown all your money.
3, this bleedin government or those halfwits in labour have not got a clue how to stop this from happening4, If your keep your child away from school you get fined,

UMMMM you might be thinking what the hell am I getting at with this posting , Well it is simple,,, Ok you know there is no money but why did this government allow every supermarket to increase the price on every item by up to 78-4% ,,,, Surly the simple way if they know that no money is going to go on pay increases then they should have stopped every other price from taking off better than what nasa do,, But then again no government is bothered about that and thats because they get more taxes from those companies,, So it is looking like they are wasting there time going on strike because nothing is going to be done abvout it at all..........


LIFE IS A JOKE
Am I the only person that look`s at these strikes in a totally different viewing ? 1, The wages have been held at 1% over the last 2 years (you cant have any more money) 2 prices at your local supermarket have blown all your money. 3, this bleedin government or those halfwits in labour have not got a clue how to stop this from happening4, If your keep your child away from school you get fined, UMMMM you might be thinking what the hell am I getting at with this posting , Well it is simple,,, Ok you know there is no money but why did this government allow every supermarket to increase the price on every item by up to 78-4% ,,,, Surly the simple way if they know that no money is going to go on pay increases then they should have stopped every other price from taking off better than what nasa do,, But then again no government is bothered about that and thats because they get more taxes from those companies,, So it is looking like they are wasting there time going on strike because nothing is going to be done abvout it at all.......... LIFE IS A JOKE JOHN HIGHAM
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 10 Jul 14

Londonlancs says...

JustBecause wrote:
bluemeanie63 wrote:
to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today?
Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?
Hear, hear, it's a joke. Not happy ? find another job, total and utter selfish bastards.

I would pay most of these what they get now, substandard service from the council across all sectors.
So the government aren't doing a sub standard job aswell ?
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today? Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?[/p][/quote]Hear, hear, it's a joke. Not happy ? find another job, total and utter selfish bastards. I would pay most of these what they get now, substandard service from the council across all sectors.[/p][/quote]So the government aren't doing a sub standard job aswell ? Londonlancs
  • Score: 6

10:04am Thu 10 Jul 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

The council could have sorted out another bin collection day for those people who's bin are not emptied this is not fair waiting another 2 weeks for the bins to be emptied next week the council will be having a go because of all the flying tipping. And who's fault will that be 😒
The council could have sorted out another bin collection day for those people who's bin are not emptied this is not fair waiting another 2 weeks for the bins to be emptied next week the council will be having a go because of all the flying tipping. And who's fault will that be 😒 johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 13

10:08am Thu 10 Jul 14

Londonlancs says...

bluemeanie63 wrote:
to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today?
Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?
Ordinary hard working people?so the nurses,teachers,fire
fighters etc arent ordinary hard working people?Keep buying into the lies the government keeps trying to fill us with,watching THEM deliberately run down public services(not the people working in them) due to lack of funding and care,telling you the only way to improve these services is to privatise them,sell them off for peanuts,let the investors make a fortune from the shares,then charge extortionate prices for these services(because there is no control or limit) which will hit you and every other "ordinary hard working person"a lot harder and a lot longer than one days strike action ever will.just remember a small tiny percent of elitist run this country who don't have and never will have to worry about paying their rent,mortgage,school fees,council tax,etc etc,while the mass percentage of this country do.stop filling their pockets and support people who do a service and are entitled to a basic decent salary and a pension,just like you and anybody else is,and if you aren't getting it or feel you ain't getting paid enough,then you too should get up and get out and voice yourself .but don't put people down for doing just that,they fight ,and they voice.
Back them.
[quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today? Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?[/p][/quote]Ordinary hard working people?so the nurses,teachers,fire fighters etc arent ordinary hard working people?Keep buying into the lies the government keeps trying to fill us with,watching THEM deliberately run down public services(not the people working in them) due to lack of funding and care,telling you the only way to improve these services is to privatise them,sell them off for peanuts,let the investors make a fortune from the shares,then charge extortionate prices for these services(because there is no control or limit) which will hit you and every other "ordinary hard working person"a lot harder and a lot longer than one days strike action ever will.just remember a small tiny percent of elitist run this country who don't have and never will have to worry about paying their rent,mortgage,school fees,council tax,etc etc,while the mass percentage of this country do.stop filling their pockets and support people who do a service and are entitled to a basic decent salary and a pension,just like you and anybody else is,and if you aren't getting it or feel you ain't getting paid enough,then you too should get up and get out and voice yourself .but don't put people down for doing just that,they fight ,and they voice. Back them. Londonlancs
  • Score: 18

10:20am Thu 10 Jul 14

atlas123 says...

mililly wrote:
bluemeanie63 wrote:
to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today?
Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?
Its for one day and they are striking for what they believe in. If you could strike for what you believe in then you would. These people are also losing a days pay so its not just parents. At the end of the day its probably not going to make any difference as them lot higher up have already decided but why should mps get 11%. We should in this country be allowed to fight for what we want
A day less pay for a strike is roughly equivilent to 0.5% of annual pay!

If I wasn't happy with my remuneration then I would be looking for a new job!

As someone whos profession is represented by one of the striking unions today I will be in work when my shift starts later today.

Providing the service I am employed on the t&c I accepted to provide to the public who ultimately pay me!
[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: to whom do i send the invoice to cover for my loss of earnings today? Due to the selfish act of these people, i and no doubt many others are losing pay , while these people strike, if i take my child out of school ,i will get a fine. Therefore why can we not fine the teachers for striking, and costing ordinary working people lots of hard earned wages?[/p][/quote]Its for one day and they are striking for what they believe in. If you could strike for what you believe in then you would. These people are also losing a days pay so its not just parents. At the end of the day its probably not going to make any difference as them lot higher up have already decided but why should mps get 11%. We should in this country be allowed to fight for what we want[/p][/quote]A day less pay for a strike is roughly equivilent to 0.5% of annual pay! If I wasn't happy with my remuneration then I would be looking for a new job! As someone whos profession is represented by one of the striking unions today I will be in work when my shift starts later today. Providing the service I am employed on the t&c I accepted to provide to the public who ultimately pay me! atlas123
  • Score: -3

1:21pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Thatissowrong says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Here's what they are NOT striking about:

- the annual increment system : a pay-rise in all but name - you get an increase just because you have been "working" for another year in public sector low productivity land
- gold plated, over generous pensions
- firemen who fight fires for less than 5% of their working hours, 75% of which are trivial events
- bin men who do not work their full quota of hours under "finish and go" arrangements
- absenteeism at up to twice the level in the private sector
- early retirement on full pensions
- shoddy provision of public "services" primarily aimed at the so-called disadvantaged, who don't pay for it In the first place
- no productivity improvement targets
- all the non-jobs in diversity, gypsy liaison etc
Spot on. Friend of mine, a nurse, retired at 50 and a month later went back to same hospital as a bank nurse on a higher rate as well as collecting his pension - inflation linked by the way.
Don't call them public servants but self-serving public servants.
The less the better.
Where do these selfish strikers think the money is going to come from? Remember the letter the last labour treasury minister left for his Tory replacement? It said, " good luck, there's no money left".
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Here's what they are NOT striking about: - the annual increment system : a pay-rise in all but name - you get an increase just because you have been "working" for another year in public sector low productivity land - gold plated, over generous pensions - firemen who fight fires for less than 5% of their working hours, 75% of which are trivial events - bin men who do not work their full quota of hours under "finish and go" arrangements - absenteeism at up to twice the level in the private sector - early retirement on full pensions - shoddy provision of public "services" primarily aimed at the so-called disadvantaged, who don't pay for it In the first place - no productivity improvement targets - all the non-jobs in diversity, gypsy liaison etc[/p][/quote]Spot on. Friend of mine, a nurse, retired at 50 and a month later went back to same hospital as a bank nurse on a higher rate as well as collecting his pension - inflation linked by the way. Don't call them public servants but self-serving public servants. The less the better. Where do these selfish strikers think the money is going to come from? Remember the letter the last labour treasury minister left for his Tory replacement? It said, " good luck, there's no money left". Thatissowrong
  • Score: -4

1:58pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Thatissowrong says...

Median earnings in the public sector increased by 2.6% last year taking average income to more than £24,000 per annum: source ONS.
Median earnings in the public sector increased by 2.6% last year taking average income to more than £24,000 per annum: source ONS. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -4

7:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

nigella farrage says...

Lets get some real figures on here instead of percentages.....


MP's current wage is £67,060. They are GETTING an 11% payrise which equates to £7,376.60 which means it takes their wage to £74,436.60 + they get on average 16 weeks off from turning up at Westminster plus they get 100% final pension salary, plus they get an additional pension when they lose their seat and lets not forget all the various commissions which they sign up for and get extra money as well as the expenses thy can claim.

Teachers get an average of £26,000 pay and they are wanting a 3% increase thus meaning £780 and taking their average salary to £26,780!!! But take this in consideration with the hours they do work (and they only get 30 day holiday a year excluding bank Holidays) then their hourly salary is only, on average £7.36/hour to each between 35 and 40 pupils, along with the associated paper work, lesson planning, reports, marking, displays, individual pupil plans, resourcing, etc etc etc,

The Public Sector 100% final salary pensions have been/are being closed and they will NOT get a penny back from it and instead they are on mid-earning pension which is backdated to when they started (a far worse deal than in the private sector in which people on final-salary pensions still have them but are closed to new staff and if anyone changes job then they get transferred to the mid-earning pension - but still get a pension form their closed pension!!!!!

But lets not forget about the "workplace" pension which EVERYONE should now be getting in which every employer (whether private or public) has to help pay towards their employees pensions!!!!


Also with regards to annual increments - yes they still exist but only until a member of staff reaches the higher level of their grade and then they no longer get the increments and as since these grades were regarded 7 years ago they bands are now much narrower and about 85% of all public sector staff are at the higher part of their grade and no longer get the increments!!!!
Lets get some real figures on here instead of percentages..... MP's current wage is £67,060. They are GETTING an 11% payrise which equates to £7,376.60 which means it takes their wage to £74,436.60 + they get on average 16 weeks off from turning up at Westminster plus they get 100% final pension salary, plus they get an additional pension when they lose their seat and lets not forget all the various commissions which they sign up for and get extra money as well as the expenses thy can claim. Teachers get an average of £26,000 pay and they are wanting a 3% increase thus meaning £780 and taking their average salary to £26,780!!! But take this in consideration with the hours they do work (and they only get 30 day holiday a year excluding bank Holidays) then their hourly salary is only, on average £7.36/hour to each between 35 and 40 pupils, along with the associated paper work, lesson planning, reports, marking, displays, individual pupil plans, resourcing, etc etc etc, The Public Sector 100% final salary pensions have been/are being closed and they will NOT get a penny back from it and instead they are on mid-earning pension which is backdated to when they started (a far worse deal than in the private sector in which people on final-salary pensions still have them but are closed to new staff and if anyone changes job then they get transferred to the mid-earning pension - but still get a pension form their closed pension!!!!! But lets not forget about the "workplace" pension which EVERYONE should now be getting in which every employer (whether private or public) has to help pay towards their employees pensions!!!! Also with regards to annual increments - yes they still exist but only until a member of staff reaches the higher level of their grade and then they no longer get the increments and as since these grades were regarded 7 years ago they bands are now much narrower and about 85% of all public sector staff are at the higher part of their grade and no longer get the increments!!!! nigella farrage
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Thatissowrong says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Lets get some real figures on here instead of percentages.....


MP's current wage is £67,060. They are GETTING an 11% payrise which equates to £7,376.60 which means it takes their wage to £74,436.60 + they get on average 16 weeks off from turning up at Westminster plus they get 100% final pension salary, plus they get an additional pension when they lose their seat and lets not forget all the various commissions which they sign up for and get extra money as well as the expenses thy can claim.

Teachers get an average of £26,000 pay and they are wanting a 3% increase thus meaning £780 and taking their average salary to £26,780!!! But take this in consideration with the hours they do work (and they only get 30 day holiday a year excluding bank Holidays) then their hourly salary is only, on average £7.36/hour to each between 35 and 40 pupils, along with the associated paper work, lesson planning, reports, marking, displays, individual pupil plans, resourcing, etc etc etc,

The Public Sector 100% final salary pensions have been/are being closed and they will NOT get a penny back from it and instead they are on mid-earning pension which is backdated to when they started (a far worse deal than in the private sector in which people on final-salary pensions still have them but are closed to new staff and if anyone changes job then they get transferred to the mid-earning pension - but still get a pension form their closed pension!!!!!

But lets not forget about the "workplace" pension which EVERYONE should now be getting in which every employer (whether private or public) has to help pay towards their employees pensions!!!!


Also with regards to annual increments - yes they still exist but only until a member of staff reaches the higher level of their grade and then they no longer get the increments and as since these grades were regarded 7 years ago they bands are now much narrower and about 85% of all public sector staff are at the higher part of their grade and no longer get the increments!!!!
My mother is a teacher. She gets 12 weeks holiday a year plus Baker Days and a massive employer contribution to her pension. She leaves home at 8:30 does her marking at lunchtime and is home for 3:30: job done thank you very much.
Are you having a laugh Nigella?
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Lets get some real figures on here instead of percentages..... MP's current wage is £67,060. They are GETTING an 11% payrise which equates to £7,376.60 which means it takes their wage to £74,436.60 + they get on average 16 weeks off from turning up at Westminster plus they get 100% final pension salary, plus they get an additional pension when they lose their seat and lets not forget all the various commissions which they sign up for and get extra money as well as the expenses thy can claim. Teachers get an average of £26,000 pay and they are wanting a 3% increase thus meaning £780 and taking their average salary to £26,780!!! But take this in consideration with the hours they do work (and they only get 30 day holiday a year excluding bank Holidays) then their hourly salary is only, on average £7.36/hour to each between 35 and 40 pupils, along with the associated paper work, lesson planning, reports, marking, displays, individual pupil plans, resourcing, etc etc etc, The Public Sector 100% final salary pensions have been/are being closed and they will NOT get a penny back from it and instead they are on mid-earning pension which is backdated to when they started (a far worse deal than in the private sector in which people on final-salary pensions still have them but are closed to new staff and if anyone changes job then they get transferred to the mid-earning pension - but still get a pension form their closed pension!!!!! But lets not forget about the "workplace" pension which EVERYONE should now be getting in which every employer (whether private or public) has to help pay towards their employees pensions!!!! Also with regards to annual increments - yes they still exist but only until a member of staff reaches the higher level of their grade and then they no longer get the increments and as since these grades were regarded 7 years ago they bands are now much narrower and about 85% of all public sector staff are at the higher part of their grade and no longer get the increments!!!![/p][/quote]My mother is a teacher. She gets 12 weeks holiday a year plus Baker Days and a massive employer contribution to her pension. She leaves home at 8:30 does her marking at lunchtime and is home for 3:30: job done thank you very much. Are you having a laugh Nigella? Thatissowrong
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7:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

nigella farrage says...

Thatissowrong.

Firstly I know you are having a laugh as the inset days have not been called Baker days for almost 25 years!!!!!!

As lunchtimes are only 45 minutes n length how does she find the time to mark 90 pieces or work correcting them and totting up the marks and noting them down on the individual pupil plans - which are required by law!!!

12 weeks??? So that is 6 weeks summer, of week in reality it is only 2 due to courses, preparations, resourcing and collating information about new pupils, returning pupils and being trained for the forthcoming syllabus which changes on a yearly basis!) - as 3 weeks is 15 days, that still leaves 15 days! So that also means 2 weeks at Christmas and 2 weeks at east and 2 mid-term holidays????? You really have got your figures wrong. Also lets not forget that unlik you teachers cannot just take leave whenever they want and have to take them at summer of 1 week at Christmas or 1 week at easter!!! Rest of their holiday they have to be at school or be doing school related activites, again by law!!!!

So your mother never does any marking at home? what about parents evenings, or lesson planning or resourcing for lessons, lesson preparations??? Basically she just stand in front of the children and teachers without planning what she is teaching - how does she pass the Ofsted reports considering that ALL lesson plans have to be on hand for their inspections as well as all the other supplementary paperwork.

Until you know what you are talking about or even consider researching before you make stupid comments that I it that you are completely ignorant of what they do.


Do you have the gall to stand in front of 35 children and teach? If a primary school could you teach 10 different subjects to the same children and making sure you know what you are talking about and following the National Curriculum guidelines? Or are you just an armchair moaner who wants to moan and knows sweet FA - just because you think you can?
Thatissowrong. Firstly I know you are having a laugh as the inset days have not been called Baker days for almost 25 years!!!!!! As lunchtimes are only 45 minutes n length how does she find the time to mark 90 pieces or work correcting them and totting up the marks and noting them down on the individual pupil plans - which are required by law!!! 12 weeks??? So that is 6 weeks summer, of week in reality it is only 2 due to courses, preparations, resourcing and collating information about new pupils, returning pupils and being trained for the forthcoming syllabus which changes on a yearly basis!) - as 3 weeks is 15 days, that still leaves 15 days! So that also means 2 weeks at Christmas and 2 weeks at east and 2 mid-term holidays????? You really have got your figures wrong. Also lets not forget that unlik you teachers cannot just take leave whenever they want and have to take them at summer of 1 week at Christmas or 1 week at easter!!! Rest of their holiday they have to be at school or be doing school related activites, again by law!!!! So your mother never does any marking at home? what about parents evenings, or lesson planning or resourcing for lessons, lesson preparations??? Basically she just stand in front of the children and teachers without planning what she is teaching - how does she pass the Ofsted reports considering that ALL lesson plans have to be on hand for their inspections as well as all the other supplementary paperwork. Until you know what you are talking about or even consider researching before you make stupid comments that I it that you are completely ignorant of what they do. Do you have the gall to stand in front of 35 children and teach? If a primary school could you teach 10 different subjects to the same children and making sure you know what you are talking about and following the National Curriculum guidelines? Or are you just an armchair moaner who wants to moan and knows sweet FA - just because you think you can? nigella farrage
  • Score: 2

12:45am Fri 11 Jul 14

MrsB11 says...

johnnykilroy4 wrote:
The council could have sorted out another bin collection day for those people who's bin are not emptied this is not fair waiting another 2 weeks for the bins to be emptied next week the council will be having a go because of all the flying tipping. And who's fault will that be 😒
Well said! They had plenty of notice to sort something out for us. I've got 2 babies who are both in nappies and a dog. So in a fortnight I'll have a months worth of nappies and dog s**t built up in my bins!! Wonder what would happen if we didn't pay for a service that the council provided?
[quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: The council could have sorted out another bin collection day for those people who's bin are not emptied this is not fair waiting another 2 weeks for the bins to be emptied next week the council will be having a go because of all the flying tipping. And who's fault will that be 😒[/p][/quote]Well said! They had plenty of notice to sort something out for us. I've got 2 babies who are both in nappies and a dog. So in a fortnight I'll have a months worth of nappies and dog s**t built up in my bins!! Wonder what would happen if we didn't pay for a service that the council provided? MrsB11
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9:40am Fri 11 Jul 14

atlas123 says...

IIRC the cost of emptying your bins works out at just less than a tenner a year...

If you was to privately contract Biffa et al to do it you would be looking at just under around 500 quid a year for one 240 ltr wheelie bin to be emptied once a week. The council take in total nearly double this!
IIRC the cost of emptying your bins works out at just less than a tenner a year... If you was to privately contract Biffa et al to do it you would be looking at just under around 500 quid a year for one 240 ltr wheelie bin to be emptied once a week. The council take in total nearly double this! atlas123
  • Score: 1

3:17pm Mon 14 Jul 14

#chris says...

I spoke to the council on Thursday as I wanted to know, if the bin men will be taking any extra rubbish next time and was told NO, they won't take any extra. WE have to take it to the tip ourselves. When I asked, if this is what we pay our council tax for, the reply of the woman was, well you can always keep it at home! Disgraceful. Bolton council at its finest, yet again.
What about all the people that don't have access to a car, like myself. You can't get a taxi to take it and you can't take it on the bus! So are we suppose to carry it? What about the money we pay every month towards our bin collection? We have paid for a service that's not been received. Don't think they'll offer us a refund.
Lollipop ladies/men still had to work so why couldn't the bin men? Or at least sort the extra so people are not forced to flytip.
I spoke to the council on Thursday as I wanted to know, if the bin men will be taking any extra rubbish next time and was told NO, they won't take any extra. WE have to take it to the tip ourselves. When I asked, if this is what we pay our council tax for, the reply of the woman was, well you can always keep it at home! Disgraceful. Bolton council at its finest, yet again. What about all the people that don't have access to a car, like myself. You can't get a taxi to take it and you can't take it on the bus! So are we suppose to carry it? What about the money we pay every month towards our bin collection? We have paid for a service that's not been received. Don't think they'll offer us a refund. Lollipop ladies/men still had to work so why couldn't the bin men? Or at least sort the extra so people are not forced to flytip. #chris
  • Score: 0
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