Bolton Council counts cost of 'bedroom tax' bail-outs

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First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , politics reporter

STRUGGLING tenants affected by the bedroom tax have had to be bailed out by Bolton Council due to a shortfall in government funding, Labour leaders have claimed.

The authority has spent more than £17,000 of taxpayers’ money in discretionary housing payments to 836 people who have had their benefits cut.

Figures released by the Office of National Statistics show the government allocated £673,659 for the council to give out in the payments, which hard-up residents can apply for to ‘top up’ their housing benefit.

But between 2013 and 2014 the authority spent £691,141 on the payment, meaning an extra £17,482 had to come out of council coffers.

MP for Bolton West Julie Hilling said: “David Cameron and Nick Clegg’s bedroom tax has been a disaster for the hundreds of thousands of people hit by the cruel levy and it has come at a huge cost for taxpayers in my constituency.

“The government’s own figures have shown their discretionary housing payment funding has failed to cover the huge costs — meaning the policy is not only mean and unfair but costing our council money, which is needed for our vital local services.”

More than £410,000 in payments were made as a direct consequence of the spare room subsidy.

Leader of Bolton Council Cllr Cliff Morris said the extra payments come in addition to massive spending cuts imposed on local government.

He said: “Over the past few years, government cuts have massively reduced the funding to local authorities — in Bolton Council’s case, our budget has been cut by more than £100 million.

“The funding we receive for discretionary housing payments isn’t even one-third of the £2.2 million which Bolton residents lost last year as a result of the bedroom tax.”

A spokesman from the Department for Work and Pensions said it was up to individual councils to choose how much to give out in discretionary housing payments.

If they chose to pay out more than they were allocated that was their decision, he added.

He said: “We have made £345 million available to councils to support vulnerable people since reforms were introduced.

“Bolton Council benefited from additional funds from the bidding scheme but if they needed extra money they could have bid for more, as £7.1m went unspent.”

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8:43am Sun 10 Aug 14

piszoff says...

Seems to me not up to the job. Time for a change, I mean not just the councillors. The whole lot, just putting new tyres on an old car, time for Metro Salvage to step in. Said it before half the council staff are worth there weight in gold the other half you would not miss if they all dropped dead tomorrow.
Seems to me not up to the job. Time for a change, I mean not just the councillors. The whole lot, just putting new tyres on an old car, time for Metro Salvage to step in. Said it before half the council staff are worth there weight in gold the other half you would not miss if they all dropped dead tomorrow. piszoff
  • Score: 20

8:57am Sun 10 Aug 14

questionairre says...

Love to know the circumstances surrounding some of these discretionary housing payments.
I would bet that some of these people are the middle aged men that walk around the town centre with a walking stick waiting for Wetherspoons to open and have never done a days work in their lives.
Love to know the circumstances surrounding some of these discretionary housing payments. I would bet that some of these people are the middle aged men that walk around the town centre with a walking stick waiting for Wetherspoons to open and have never done a days work in their lives. questionairre
  • Score: 6

9:07am Sun 10 Aug 14

Thatissowrong says...

piszoff wrote:
Seems to me not up to the job. Time for a change, I mean not just the councillors. The whole lot, just putting new tyres on an old car, time for Metro Salvage to step in. Said it before half the council staff are worth there weight in gold the other half you would not miss if they all dropped dead tomorrow.
How many people work for Bolton Metro?
Half of them.
[quote][p][bold]piszoff[/bold] wrote: Seems to me not up to the job. Time for a change, I mean not just the councillors. The whole lot, just putting new tyres on an old car, time for Metro Salvage to step in. Said it before half the council staff are worth there weight in gold the other half you would not miss if they all dropped dead tomorrow.[/p][/quote]How many people work for Bolton Metro? Half of them. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -9

9:09am Sun 10 Aug 14

MrUpton says...

Hold on a minute, this is the council that REFUSED point blank to take extra money (Top up to keep council tax bills down) from the government and then It increases our council tax bills and now it's complaining because it's used our money to subsidise people on benefits?

You can try and fool some of the people Bolton Council but I object to you subsidising people on benefits with my money when you refused council tax top up from national government and have raised council tax fees to pay for it.
Hold on a minute, this is the council that REFUSED point blank to take extra money (Top up to keep council tax bills down) from the government and then It increases our council tax bills and now it's complaining because it's used our money to subsidise people on benefits? You can try and fool some of the people Bolton Council but I object to you subsidising people on benefits with my money when you refused council tax top up from national government and have raised council tax fees to pay for it. MrUpton
  • Score: 22

9:22am Sun 10 Aug 14

Sunny1 says...

Scrap the bedroom tax, no need for top ups, simple really.
Scrap the bedroom tax, no need for top ups, simple really. Sunny1
  • Score: 17

9:30am Sun 10 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

I think we deserve a full public investigation into the spending by these fools, how on earth can £826 be paid on average to the individuals.

The figures suggest we have paid more than the average cost for an entire year for the 836 people involved.

It a farce, means testing is clearly not being done, once again the weak, totally devoid of common sense council allow the free loaders to get away with it.

Now I am totally aware that a very small percentage of people will be in need, but it's a very small percentage.
I think we deserve a full public investigation into the spending by these fools, how on earth can £826 be paid on average to the individuals. The figures suggest we have paid more than the average cost for an entire year for the 836 people involved. It a farce, means testing is clearly not being done, once again the weak, totally devoid of common sense council allow the free loaders to get away with it. Now I am totally aware that a very small percentage of people will be in need, but it's a very small percentage. JustBecause
  • Score: 21

9:34am Sun 10 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

As a side note, the tax is a farce as well, if resources are not in place to move people to smaller accommodation, then it falls down at the first fence.

The country and council need to be run by business men and women who understand finance and have walked the walk.
As a side note, the tax is a farce as well, if resources are not in place to move people to smaller accommodation, then it falls down at the first fence. The country and council need to be run by business men and women who understand finance and have walked the walk. JustBecause
  • Score: 27

9:41am Sun 10 Aug 14

steveG says...

cut council tax and reduce the salary payments to public servants, scrap public service pensions and encourage them to pay into private pension schemes putting everyone on an even footing.
cut council tax and reduce the salary payments to public servants, scrap public service pensions and encourage them to pay into private pension schemes putting everyone on an even footing. steveG
  • Score: 0

9:59am Sun 10 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Stve G - if you ccut the salary to public servants then they will leave for the so-called private sector and then who will teach?, who will cut the grass verges?, who will repair the roads? who will check passports upon entry and leaving the country? who will empty your bins? etc etc etc who will look after you, in your home, once you become old and frail?

If you say the council, then lets put it this way, the council will have no one to do it and be forced to go to the private sector which will means a much higher cost ratio, which, in turn, means council tax bills having to rise to cover the costs!!!!
Stve G - if you ccut the salary to public servants then they will leave for the so-called private sector and then who will teach?, who will cut the grass verges?, who will repair the roads? who will check passports upon entry and leaving the country? who will empty your bins? etc etc etc who will look after you, in your home, once you become old and frail? If you say the council, then lets put it this way, the council will have no one to do it and be forced to go to the private sector which will means a much higher cost ratio, which, in turn, means council tax bills having to rise to cover the costs!!!! nigella farrage
  • Score: 4

10:12am Sun 10 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Then look who own these private forms - yes the exact same people who run the councils!!!!!!

Lets not forget that the Private Sector actually refuse to do certain jobs as its more of a cost then a profit. therefore is the council was to lose all its people, who would do the jobs for which the Private Sector do not want to do? And if it is left to the council to employ the people then why should those people become second class citizens just because they are being paid y the council - they should earn the same a their counterparts in the Private sector!

And before you even start about the golden pensions etc etc etc which actually do not happen - if you knew anything in detail - but lets not forget that workers in the private sector also now get a golden pension from their employers - "Work Place pensions!!!!! And then of course their are the corporate investment bankers (front office staff) and MP's who still have their 100% fully paid pensions as well bonuses etc etc etc - why not start with them first to lose these like everyone else - I mean we are ALL meant to be in this together, but it seems we are not!!!
Then look who own these private forms - yes the exact same people who run the councils!!!!!! Lets not forget that the Private Sector actually refuse to do certain jobs as its more of a cost then a profit. therefore is the council was to lose all its people, who would do the jobs for which the Private Sector do not want to do? And if it is left to the council to employ the people then why should those people become second class citizens just because they are being paid y the council - they should earn the same a their counterparts in the Private sector! And before you even start about the golden pensions etc etc etc which actually do not happen - if you knew anything in detail - but lets not forget that workers in the private sector also now get a golden pension from their employers - "Work Place pensions!!!!! And then of course their are the corporate investment bankers (front office staff) and MP's who still have their 100% fully paid pensions as well bonuses etc etc etc - why not start with them first to lose these like everyone else - I mean we are ALL meant to be in this together, but it seems we are not!!! nigella farrage
  • Score: -7

10:19am Sun 10 Aug 14

Ch227dsh says...

JustBecause wrote:
I think we deserve a full public investigation into the spending by these fools, how on earth can £826 be paid on average to the individuals.

The figures suggest we have paid more than the average cost for an entire year for the 836 people involved.

It a farce, means testing is clearly not being done, once again the weak, totally devoid of common sense council allow the free loaders to get away with it.

Now I am totally aware that a very small percentage of people will be in need, but it's a very small percentage.
Completely agree. While we are at it, we should request to see these councillor's personal allowances and expenses. Bet that comes to a bigger bill! I've really lost heart with the labour lot in Bolton. All corrupt all bent all in it for the power
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: I think we deserve a full public investigation into the spending by these fools, how on earth can £826 be paid on average to the individuals. The figures suggest we have paid more than the average cost for an entire year for the 836 people involved. It a farce, means testing is clearly not being done, once again the weak, totally devoid of common sense council allow the free loaders to get away with it. Now I am totally aware that a very small percentage of people will be in need, but it's a very small percentage.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. While we are at it, we should request to see these councillor's personal allowances and expenses. Bet that comes to a bigger bill! I've really lost heart with the labour lot in Bolton. All corrupt all bent all in it for the power Ch227dsh
  • Score: 19

10:23am Sun 10 Aug 14

underwater says...

steveG wrote:
cut council tax and reduce the salary payments to public servants, scrap public service pensions and encourage them to pay into private pension schemes putting everyone on an even footing.
At last someone is speaking with sense, a lot of the council jobs could be got rid of, and as for the pensions they should have been made to scrap public service pensions long ago, we can no longer afford them. As for council staff leaving, if this was to happen then yes they perhaps would do because they would not be on such a cushy number any more .But no one is irreplaceable and there are lots of people who would be glad of a job . The article above should be regarded as a political notice by the Labour Party.
[quote][p][bold]steveG[/bold] wrote: cut council tax and reduce the salary payments to public servants, scrap public service pensions and encourage them to pay into private pension schemes putting everyone on an even footing.[/p][/quote]At last someone is speaking with sense, a lot of the council jobs could be got rid of, and as for the pensions they should have been made to scrap public service pensions long ago, we can no longer afford them. As for council staff leaving, if this was to happen then yes they perhaps would do because they would not be on such a cushy number any more .But no one is irreplaceable and there are lots of people who would be glad of a job . The article above should be regarded as a political notice by the Labour Party. underwater
  • Score: -5

11:01am Sun 10 Aug 14

Terry McC says...

The point is the government screwed up on the bedroom tax but has not got the balls to admit it instead we all have to pay IDS is one of the worst MPs i have ever seen in parliament just a total waste of the tax payers money its just another poll tax gone wrong, and we all know how that ended
The point is the government screwed up on the bedroom tax but has not got the balls to admit it instead we all have to pay IDS is one of the worst MPs i have ever seen in parliament just a total waste of the tax payers money its just another poll tax gone wrong, and we all know how that ended Terry McC
  • Score: 15

12:32pm Sun 10 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Stve G - if you ccut the salary to public servants then they will leave for the so-called private sector and then who will teach?, who will cut the grass verges?, who will repair the roads? who will check passports upon entry and leaving the country? who will empty your bins? etc etc etc who will look after you, in your home, once you become old and frail?

If you say the council, then lets put it this way, the council will have no one to do it and be forced to go to the private sector which will means a much higher cost ratio, which, in turn, means council tax bills having to rise to cover the costs!!!!
Private Companies in Bolton do the Bins, repair the roads, cuts grass verges already among many other Public services.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Stve G - if you ccut the salary to public servants then they will leave for the so-called private sector and then who will teach?, who will cut the grass verges?, who will repair the roads? who will check passports upon entry and leaving the country? who will empty your bins? etc etc etc who will look after you, in your home, once you become old and frail? If you say the council, then lets put it this way, the council will have no one to do it and be forced to go to the private sector which will means a much higher cost ratio, which, in turn, means council tax bills having to rise to cover the costs!!!![/p][/quote]Private Companies in Bolton do the Bins, repair the roads, cuts grass verges already among many other Public services. thomas222
  • Score: 5

12:35pm Sun 10 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Then look who own these private forms - yes the exact same people who run the councils!!!!!!

Lets not forget that the Private Sector actually refuse to do certain jobs as its more of a cost then a profit. therefore is the council was to lose all its people, who would do the jobs for which the Private Sector do not want to do? And if it is left to the council to employ the people then why should those people become second class citizens just because they are being paid y the council - they should earn the same a their counterparts in the Private sector!

And before you even start about the golden pensions etc etc etc which actually do not happen - if you knew anything in detail - but lets not forget that workers in the private sector also now get a golden pension from their employers - "Work Place pensions!!!!! And then of course their are the corporate investment bankers (front office staff) and MP's who still have their 100% fully paid pensions as well bonuses etc etc etc - why not start with them first to lose these like everyone else - I mean we are ALL meant to be in this together, but it seems we are not!!!
Perhaps you could name some of the Public Services the public sector does not want to do ?
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Then look who own these private forms - yes the exact same people who run the councils!!!!!! Lets not forget that the Private Sector actually refuse to do certain jobs as its more of a cost then a profit. therefore is the council was to lose all its people, who would do the jobs for which the Private Sector do not want to do? And if it is left to the council to employ the people then why should those people become second class citizens just because they are being paid y the council - they should earn the same a their counterparts in the Private sector! And before you even start about the golden pensions etc etc etc which actually do not happen - if you knew anything in detail - but lets not forget that workers in the private sector also now get a golden pension from their employers - "Work Place pensions!!!!! And then of course their are the corporate investment bankers (front office staff) and MP's who still have their 100% fully paid pensions as well bonuses etc etc etc - why not start with them first to lose these like everyone else - I mean we are ALL meant to be in this together, but it seems we are not!!![/p][/quote]Perhaps you could name some of the Public Services the public sector does not want to do ? thomas222
  • Score: 4

12:39pm Sun 10 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
Then look who own these private forms - yes the exact same people who run the councils!!!!!!

Lets not forget that the Private Sector actually refuse to do certain jobs as its more of a cost then a profit. therefore is the council was to lose all its people, who would do the jobs for which the Private Sector do not want to do? And if it is left to the council to employ the people then why should those people become second class citizens just because they are being paid y the council - they should earn the same a their counterparts in the Private sector!

And before you even start about the golden pensions etc etc etc which actually do not happen - if you knew anything in detail - but lets not forget that workers in the private sector also now get a golden pension from their employers - "Work Place pensions!!!!! And then of course their are the corporate investment bankers (front office staff) and MP's who still have their 100% fully paid pensions as well bonuses etc etc etc - why not start with them first to lose these like everyone else - I mean we are ALL meant to be in this together, but it seems we are not!!!
Perhaps you could name some of the Public Services the public sector does not want to do ?
Pardon.. What the Private sector dont want to do?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Then look who own these private forms - yes the exact same people who run the councils!!!!!! Lets not forget that the Private Sector actually refuse to do certain jobs as its more of a cost then a profit. therefore is the council was to lose all its people, who would do the jobs for which the Private Sector do not want to do? And if it is left to the council to employ the people then why should those people become second class citizens just because they are being paid y the council - they should earn the same a their counterparts in the Private sector! And before you even start about the golden pensions etc etc etc which actually do not happen - if you knew anything in detail - but lets not forget that workers in the private sector also now get a golden pension from their employers - "Work Place pensions!!!!! And then of course their are the corporate investment bankers (front office staff) and MP's who still have their 100% fully paid pensions as well bonuses etc etc etc - why not start with them first to lose these like everyone else - I mean we are ALL meant to be in this together, but it seems we are not!!![/p][/quote]Perhaps you could name some of the Public Services the public sector does not want to do ?[/p][/quote]Pardon.. What the Private sector dont want to do? thomas222
  • Score: 3

12:52pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Gore Seer says...

Its A Fact Bolton Is A Fools Paradise.
Its A Fact Bolton Is A Fools Paradise. Gore Seer
  • Score: 2

1:28pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Changing times says...

Ultimately it is Bolton Councils choice to pay out this money as it's discretionary......i
n other words good old Cliff Morris has chosen to spend tax payers money on this.
Ultimately it is Bolton Councils choice to pay out this money as it's discretionary......i n other words good old Cliff Morris has chosen to spend tax payers money on this. Changing times
  • Score: 13

2:53pm Sun 10 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Thomas - basic simple business for you.

90% of all council services are run at a loss - i.e. it is a cost rather than a profit.

Therefore would a private company, whose sole reliance is based on profit in making ends meet, want to run the services that do not make a profit?

But if a private secto company does create a business which et council does, just look at their prices. Look at prices between refuse collections between private and public. Private sector is twice the price!!!! Teaching in the private sector - i.e. the new academies. Teachers paid almost 30% more than in council run schools. then look at the true independent schools, such as Lords College or Bolton school, where schooling costs at least £4,000 per term for the parents and that is before buying the text books, paper, pens etc and where teachers salaries are far higher. Then look at carers - yes they are operated by the local council and not the NHS. Many forced to accept the minimum wage and accept a high number of calls per day (which is basically impossible with the so-called lay-time between visits and the length of time they have for visits) and cannot even get transport costs as it is their own vehicles and fuel they have to use for the visits! Then look at the private sector who are given company vehicles, fuel allowance and almost 75% less visits per day and a far higher wage!!!

The lists go on where the private sector is far more expensive than the public sector. So if the council was to outsource all its departments the council tax would have to increase by about 70% just to cover the bare minimum costs (ie paying for the services from the private companies).

All one needs to do is look at the utility companies to see how much their prices have risen since they became "private" companies with less choice, and then the public transport system which is failing everyday because they are now in private ands (rail is an exception due to the amount of government grants and hand-outs they get each year which is almost 30% higher no than what it was when they were British Rail). Look at the goods and services that have gone up in price and less choice from all other public owned companies that went private!!!!

As for the departments that no private company wants to operate lets see....

No private company has ever replaced Remploy - why is that?
No private company wants to take over the running of "back to work" services - why is that?
No private company would want to run the "Bedroom Tax" department - why is that?
No private company want to run the children's services department - why is that?
No private company want to run the Disablity, Care and Support department - why is that?

They re just a few departments which no private company wants.

Then, of course, there are the various departments which, by law, cannot be operated by private companies due to possible conflicts of interest - such as magistrate court services, tax help and advise, welfare and benefits.
Thomas - basic simple business for you. 90% of all council services are run at a loss - i.e. it is a cost rather than a profit. Therefore would a private company, whose sole reliance is based on profit in making ends meet, want to run the services that do not make a profit? But if a private secto company does create a business which et council does, just look at their prices. Look at prices between refuse collections between private and public. Private sector is twice the price!!!! Teaching in the private sector - i.e. the new academies. Teachers paid almost 30% more than in council run schools. then look at the true independent schools, such as Lords College or Bolton school, where schooling costs at least £4,000 per term for the parents and that is before buying the text books, paper, pens etc and where teachers salaries are far higher. Then look at carers - yes they are operated by the local council and not the NHS. Many forced to accept the minimum wage and accept a high number of calls per day (which is basically impossible with the so-called lay-time between visits and the length of time they have for visits) and cannot even get transport costs as it is their own vehicles and fuel they have to use for the visits! Then look at the private sector who are given company vehicles, fuel allowance and almost 75% less visits per day and a far higher wage!!! The lists go on where the private sector is far more expensive than the public sector. So if the council was to outsource all its departments the council tax would have to increase by about 70% just to cover the bare minimum costs (ie paying for the services from the private companies). All one needs to do is look at the utility companies to see how much their prices have risen since they became "private" companies with less choice, and then the public transport system which is failing everyday because they are now in private ands (rail is an exception due to the amount of government grants and hand-outs they get each year which is almost 30% higher no than what it was when they were British Rail). Look at the goods and services that have gone up in price and less choice from all other public owned companies that went private!!!! As for the departments that no private company wants to operate lets see.... No private company has ever replaced Remploy - why is that? No private company wants to take over the running of "back to work" services - why is that? No private company would want to run the "Bedroom Tax" department - why is that? No private company want to run the children's services department - why is that? No private company want to run the Disablity, Care and Support department - why is that? They re just a few departments which no private company wants. Then, of course, there are the various departments which, by law, cannot be operated by private companies due to possible conflicts of interest - such as magistrate court services, tax help and advise, welfare and benefits. nigella farrage
  • Score: -4

3:02pm Sun 10 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Private company do NOT do the bins as that is in-house with Bolton council. The only "3rd party" private sector is the paper bins which is sub-outsourced by the refuse department.

The grass verges are sub-outsourced by the Bolton Roads department - again with road repairs it is actually a Bolton in-house department that sub-outsources the work.

The activities/departmen
ts you have mentioned are not controlled by a third-party company (i.e. Private Company) as it is actually the in-house departments that "hire" the services to do the work. The people in control of the work are actually council workers for the various council departments!!!

Only one department that is completely "privatised" and only report to the councillors, rather than direct to a council department, is the Parking! All other departments are in-house council departments that out-source the various work projects to the cheapest bidders!
Private company do NOT do the bins as that is in-house with Bolton council. The only "3rd party" private sector is the paper bins which is sub-outsourced by the refuse department. The grass verges are sub-outsourced by the Bolton Roads department - again with road repairs it is actually a Bolton in-house department that sub-outsources the work. The activities/departmen ts you have mentioned are not controlled by a third-party company (i.e. Private Company) as it is actually the in-house departments that "hire" the services to do the work. The people in control of the work are actually council workers for the various council departments!!! Only one department that is completely "privatised" and only report to the councillors, rather than direct to a council department, is the Parking! All other departments are in-house council departments that out-source the various work projects to the cheapest bidders! nigella farrage
  • Score: -1

3:09pm Sun 10 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Underwater...

How are council works on a cushy number?

They have had STOLEN the pensions which THEY have paid into for the years they have been in service. Unlike in the Private Sector where pensions were closed to new staff and carried on for current members until they got promotion or changed jobs thus signing new contracts, pensions in the public sector have been closed to everyone and everyone on them has LOST money which they have paid into the pension, by stealth.
But lets not forget the MPs and bankers (which I mean those in investment/corporate banking front office - gamblers) that still have 100% paid pensions - ie they don't pay anything towards their pensions - and they still get their bonuses and expenses - why should they still be allowed to keep them???? Even those in the RBS (which is 78% owned by the British tax-payer) the bankers are still getting 100% paid pensions and over-the-top pensions!!!!!

But it seems you are not bothered about them only the lies you have been told about council workers and other people in the public sector!
Underwater... How are council works on a cushy number? They have had STOLEN the pensions which THEY have paid into for the years they have been in service. Unlike in the Private Sector where pensions were closed to new staff and carried on for current members until they got promotion or changed jobs thus signing new contracts, pensions in the public sector have been closed to everyone and everyone on them has LOST money which they have paid into the pension, by stealth. But lets not forget the MPs and bankers (which I mean those in investment/corporate banking front office - gamblers) that still have 100% paid pensions - ie they don't pay anything towards their pensions - and they still get their bonuses and expenses - why should they still be allowed to keep them???? Even those in the RBS (which is 78% owned by the British tax-payer) the bankers are still getting 100% paid pensions and over-the-top pensions!!!!! But it seems you are not bothered about them only the lies you have been told about council workers and other people in the public sector! nigella farrage
  • Score: 5

3:15pm Sun 10 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

All those moaning about the public sector would you be willing to pay:

£290/month/person for health insurance (that the average price in both The Netherlands and the USA)
£20/week/bin for your refuse collections
£4500/child/term for education (that price excludes paper, uniform, text books etc)
A new tax to pay for the upkeep of local roads only (which would probably be about 70% of the current council tax)
The appropriate level of tax for the emergency services for the basic standard with no redundnacies (which would actually equate to 25% of the current council tax)
Pay for the use of the library services - approx. £50/annum

Lets not forget that private companies have no moral obligations to do their work and private companies only have their bank balances and, more importantly, shareholders who want dividends, to care about! Private companies do not have customers or a customer base to worry about, only an income that pleases their shareholders!
All those moaning about the public sector would you be willing to pay: £290/month/person for health insurance (that the average price in both The Netherlands and the USA) £20/week/bin for your refuse collections £4500/child/term for education (that price excludes paper, uniform, text books etc) A new tax to pay for the upkeep of local roads only (which would probably be about 70% of the current council tax) The appropriate level of tax for the emergency services for the basic standard with no redundnacies (which would actually equate to 25% of the current council tax) Pay for the use of the library services - approx. £50/annum Lets not forget that private companies have no moral obligations to do their work and private companies only have their bank balances and, more importantly, shareholders who want dividends, to care about! Private companies do not have customers or a customer base to worry about, only an income that pleases their shareholders! nigella farrage
  • Score: 1

5:15pm Sun 10 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Thomas - basic simple business for you.

90% of all council services are run at a loss - i.e. it is a cost rather than a profit.

Therefore would a private company, whose sole reliance is based on profit in making ends meet, want to run the services that do not make a profit?

But if a private secto company does create a business which et council does, just look at their prices. Look at prices between refuse collections between private and public. Private sector is twice the price!!!! Teaching in the private sector - i.e. the new academies. Teachers paid almost 30% more than in council run schools. then look at the true independent schools, such as Lords College or Bolton school, where schooling costs at least £4,000 per term for the parents and that is before buying the text books, paper, pens etc and where teachers salaries are far higher. Then look at carers - yes they are operated by the local council and not the NHS. Many forced to accept the minimum wage and accept a high number of calls per day (which is basically impossible with the so-called lay-time between visits and the length of time they have for visits) and cannot even get transport costs as it is their own vehicles and fuel they have to use for the visits! Then look at the private sector who are given company vehicles, fuel allowance and almost 75% less visits per day and a far higher wage!!!

The lists go on where the private sector is far more expensive than the public sector. So if the council was to outsource all its departments the council tax would have to increase by about 70% just to cover the bare minimum costs (ie paying for the services from the private companies).

All one needs to do is look at the utility companies to see how much their prices have risen since they became "private" companies with less choice, and then the public transport system which is failing everyday because they are now in private ands (rail is an exception due to the amount of government grants and hand-outs they get each year which is almost 30% higher no than what it was when they were British Rail). Look at the goods and services that have gone up in price and less choice from all other public owned companies that went private!!!!

As for the departments that no private company wants to operate lets see....

No private company has ever replaced Remploy - why is that?
No private company wants to take over the running of "back to work" services - why is that?
No private company would want to run the "Bedroom Tax" department - why is that?
No private company want to run the children's services department - why is that?
No private company want to run the Disablity, Care and Support department - why is that?

They re just a few departments which no private company wants.

Then, of course, there are the various departments which, by law, cannot be operated by private companies due to possible conflicts of interest - such as magistrate court services, tax help and advise, welfare and benefits.
Are you happy that the Western WORLD has woken up and decided to wipe out Islamist terror groups who behead Children, kill minority peoples like ISIS and take Women as Slaves and sex objects ?. One question one answer please.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas - basic simple business for you. 90% of all council services are run at a loss - i.e. it is a cost rather than a profit. Therefore would a private company, whose sole reliance is based on profit in making ends meet, want to run the services that do not make a profit? But if a private secto company does create a business which et council does, just look at their prices. Look at prices between refuse collections between private and public. Private sector is twice the price!!!! Teaching in the private sector - i.e. the new academies. Teachers paid almost 30% more than in council run schools. then look at the true independent schools, such as Lords College or Bolton school, where schooling costs at least £4,000 per term for the parents and that is before buying the text books, paper, pens etc and where teachers salaries are far higher. Then look at carers - yes they are operated by the local council and not the NHS. Many forced to accept the minimum wage and accept a high number of calls per day (which is basically impossible with the so-called lay-time between visits and the length of time they have for visits) and cannot even get transport costs as it is their own vehicles and fuel they have to use for the visits! Then look at the private sector who are given company vehicles, fuel allowance and almost 75% less visits per day and a far higher wage!!! The lists go on where the private sector is far more expensive than the public sector. So if the council was to outsource all its departments the council tax would have to increase by about 70% just to cover the bare minimum costs (ie paying for the services from the private companies). All one needs to do is look at the utility companies to see how much their prices have risen since they became "private" companies with less choice, and then the public transport system which is failing everyday because they are now in private ands (rail is an exception due to the amount of government grants and hand-outs they get each year which is almost 30% higher no than what it was when they were British Rail). Look at the goods and services that have gone up in price and less choice from all other public owned companies that went private!!!! As for the departments that no private company wants to operate lets see.... No private company has ever replaced Remploy - why is that? No private company wants to take over the running of "back to work" services - why is that? No private company would want to run the "Bedroom Tax" department - why is that? No private company want to run the children's services department - why is that? No private company want to run the Disablity, Care and Support department - why is that? They re just a few departments which no private company wants. Then, of course, there are the various departments which, by law, cannot be operated by private companies due to possible conflicts of interest - such as magistrate court services, tax help and advise, welfare and benefits.[/p][/quote]Are you happy that the Western WORLD has woken up and decided to wipe out Islamist terror groups who behead Children, kill minority peoples like ISIS and take Women as Slaves and sex objects ?. One question one answer please. thomas222
  • Score: -3

5:18pm Sun 10 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

thomas222 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
Then look who own these private forms - yes the exact same people who run the councils!!!!!!

Lets not forget that the Private Sector actually refuse to do certain jobs as its more of a cost then a profit. therefore is the council was to lose all its people, who would do the jobs for which the Private Sector do not want to do? And if it is left to the council to employ the people then why should those people become second class citizens just because they are being paid y the council - they should earn the same a their counterparts in the Private sector!

And before you even start about the golden pensions etc etc etc which actually do not happen - if you knew anything in detail - but lets not forget that workers in the private sector also now get a golden pension from their employers - "Work Place pensions!!!!! And then of course their are the corporate investment bankers (front office staff) and MP's who still have their 100% fully paid pensions as well bonuses etc etc etc - why not start with them first to lose these like everyone else - I mean we are ALL meant to be in this together, but it seems we are not!!!
Perhaps you could name some of the Public Services the public sector does not want to do ?
Pardon.. What the Private sector dont want to do?
One will do fool.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Then look who own these private forms - yes the exact same people who run the councils!!!!!! Lets not forget that the Private Sector actually refuse to do certain jobs as its more of a cost then a profit. therefore is the council was to lose all its people, who would do the jobs for which the Private Sector do not want to do? And if it is left to the council to employ the people then why should those people become second class citizens just because they are being paid y the council - they should earn the same a their counterparts in the Private sector! And before you even start about the golden pensions etc etc etc which actually do not happen - if you knew anything in detail - but lets not forget that workers in the private sector also now get a golden pension from their employers - "Work Place pensions!!!!! And then of course their are the corporate investment bankers (front office staff) and MP's who still have their 100% fully paid pensions as well bonuses etc etc etc - why not start with them first to lose these like everyone else - I mean we are ALL meant to be in this together, but it seems we are not!!![/p][/quote]Perhaps you could name some of the Public Services the public sector does not want to do ?[/p][/quote]Pardon.. What the Private sector dont want to do?[/p][/quote]One will do fool. thomas222
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Sun 10 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
All those moaning about the public sector would you be willing to pay:

£290/month/person for health insurance (that the average price in both The Netherlands and the USA)
£20/week/bin for your refuse collections
£4500/child/term for education (that price excludes paper, uniform, text books etc)
A new tax to pay for the upkeep of local roads only (which would probably be about 70% of the current council tax)
The appropriate level of tax for the emergency services for the basic standard with no redundnacies (which would actually equate to 25% of the current council tax)
Pay for the use of the library services - approx. £50/annum

Lets not forget that private companies have no moral obligations to do their work and private companies only have their bank balances and, more importantly, shareholders who want dividends, to care about! Private companies do not have customers or a customer base to worry about, only an income that pleases their shareholders!
How much Tax have you paid tapping of the Taxpayer in the UK and the Netherlands ?
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: All those moaning about the public sector would you be willing to pay: £290/month/person for health insurance (that the average price in both The Netherlands and the USA) £20/week/bin for your refuse collections £4500/child/term for education (that price excludes paper, uniform, text books etc) A new tax to pay for the upkeep of local roads only (which would probably be about 70% of the current council tax) The appropriate level of tax for the emergency services for the basic standard with no redundnacies (which would actually equate to 25% of the current council tax) Pay for the use of the library services - approx. £50/annum Lets not forget that private companies have no moral obligations to do their work and private companies only have their bank balances and, more importantly, shareholders who want dividends, to care about! Private companies do not have customers or a customer base to worry about, only an income that pleases their shareholders![/p][/quote]How much Tax have you paid tapping of the Taxpayer in the UK and the Netherlands ? thomas222
  • Score: 0

5:34pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Citizen Cane says...

questionairre wrote:
Love to know the circumstances surrounding some of these discretionary housing payments.
I would bet that some of these people are the middle aged men that walk around the town centre with a walking stick waiting for Wetherspoons to open and have never done a days work in their lives.
Don't you find it intriguing that when a tax, which is actually a benefit deduction, is not paid, it is simply topped-up by the government, yet if a real taxpayer makes a mistake on a tax return resulting in an underpayment of real tax, however small:

1) they get fined
2) they get interest to pay AND
3) they have to pay the tax

...all in the interests of keeping scroungers scrounging.
[quote][p][bold]questionairre[/bold] wrote: Love to know the circumstances surrounding some of these discretionary housing payments. I would bet that some of these people are the middle aged men that walk around the town centre with a walking stick waiting for Wetherspoons to open and have never done a days work in their lives.[/p][/quote]Don't you find it intriguing that when a tax, which is actually a benefit deduction, is not paid, it is simply topped-up by the government, yet if a real taxpayer makes a mistake on a tax return resulting in an underpayment of real tax, however small: 1) they get fined 2) they get interest to pay AND 3) they have to pay the tax ...all in the interests of keeping scroungers scrounging. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Sun 10 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Underwater...

How are council works on a cushy number?

They have had STOLEN the pensions which THEY have paid into for the years they have been in service. Unlike in the Private Sector where pensions were closed to new staff and carried on for current members until they got promotion or changed jobs thus signing new contracts, pensions in the public sector have been closed to everyone and everyone on them has LOST money which they have paid into the pension, by stealth.
But lets not forget the MPs and bankers (which I mean those in investment/corporate banking front office - gamblers) that still have 100% paid pensions - ie they don't pay anything towards their pensions - and they still get their bonuses and expenses - why should they still be allowed to keep them???? Even those in the RBS (which is 78% owned by the British tax-payer) the bankers are still getting 100% paid pensions and over-the-top pensions!!!!!

But it seems you are not bothered about them only the lies you have been told about council workers and other people in the public sector!
If you have been working as hard as you google Wikipedia you would probably be Employed. God!! even the Dutch dont want you.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Underwater... How are council works on a cushy number? They have had STOLEN the pensions which THEY have paid into for the years they have been in service. Unlike in the Private Sector where pensions were closed to new staff and carried on for current members until they got promotion or changed jobs thus signing new contracts, pensions in the public sector have been closed to everyone and everyone on them has LOST money which they have paid into the pension, by stealth. But lets not forget the MPs and bankers (which I mean those in investment/corporate banking front office - gamblers) that still have 100% paid pensions - ie they don't pay anything towards their pensions - and they still get their bonuses and expenses - why should they still be allowed to keep them???? Even those in the RBS (which is 78% owned by the British tax-payer) the bankers are still getting 100% paid pensions and over-the-top pensions!!!!! But it seems you are not bothered about them only the lies you have been told about council workers and other people in the public sector![/p][/quote]If you have been working as hard as you google Wikipedia you would probably be Employed. God!! even the Dutch dont want you. thomas222
  • Score: 3

7:53pm Sun 10 Aug 14

piszoff says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
Thomas - basic simple business for you.

90% of all council services are run at a loss - i.e. it is a cost rather than a profit.

Therefore would a private company, whose sole reliance is based on profit in making ends meet, want to run the services that do not make a profit?

But if a private secto company does create a business which et council does, just look at their prices. Look at prices between refuse collections between private and public. Private sector is twice the price!!!! Teaching in the private sector - i.e. the new academies. Teachers paid almost 30% more than in council run schools. then look at the true independent schools, such as Lords College or Bolton school, where schooling costs at least £4,000 per term for the parents and that is before buying the text books, paper, pens etc and where teachers salaries are far higher. Then look at carers - yes they are operated by the local council and not the NHS. Many forced to accept the minimum wage and accept a high number of calls per day (which is basically impossible with the so-called lay-time between visits and the length of time they have for visits) and cannot even get transport costs as it is their own vehicles and fuel they have to use for the visits! Then look at the private sector who are given company vehicles, fuel allowance and almost 75% less visits per day and a far higher wage!!!

The lists go on where the private sector is far more expensive than the public sector. So if the council was to outsource all its departments the council tax would have to increase by about 70% just to cover the bare minimum costs (ie paying for the services from the private companies).

All one needs to do is look at the utility companies to see how much their prices have risen since they became "private" companies with less choice, and then the public transport system which is failing everyday because they are now in private ands (rail is an exception due to the amount of government grants and hand-outs they get each year which is almost 30% higher no than what it was when they were British Rail). Look at the goods and services that have gone up in price and less choice from all other public owned companies that went private!!!!

As for the departments that no private company wants to operate lets see....

No private company has ever replaced Remploy - why is that?
No private company wants to take over the running of "back to work" services - why is that?
No private company would want to run the "Bedroom Tax" department - why is that?
No private company want to run the children's services department - why is that?
No private company want to run the Disablity, Care and Support department - why is that?

They re just a few departments which no private company wants.

Then, of course, there are the various departments which, by law, cannot be operated by private companies due to possible conflicts of interest - such as magistrate court services, tax help and advise, welfare and benefits.
Are you happy that the Western WORLD has woken up and decided to wipe out Islamist terror groups who behead Children, kill minority peoples like ISIS and take Women as Slaves and sex objects ?. One question one answer please.
And if any of the above projects had been run from the start by professional people, they would be queueing up to have a bit of that. Just bad management end of story.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas - basic simple business for you. 90% of all council services are run at a loss - i.e. it is a cost rather than a profit. Therefore would a private company, whose sole reliance is based on profit in making ends meet, want to run the services that do not make a profit? But if a private secto company does create a business which et council does, just look at their prices. Look at prices between refuse collections between private and public. Private sector is twice the price!!!! Teaching in the private sector - i.e. the new academies. Teachers paid almost 30% more than in council run schools. then look at the true independent schools, such as Lords College or Bolton school, where schooling costs at least £4,000 per term for the parents and that is before buying the text books, paper, pens etc and where teachers salaries are far higher. Then look at carers - yes they are operated by the local council and not the NHS. Many forced to accept the minimum wage and accept a high number of calls per day (which is basically impossible with the so-called lay-time between visits and the length of time they have for visits) and cannot even get transport costs as it is their own vehicles and fuel they have to use for the visits! Then look at the private sector who are given company vehicles, fuel allowance and almost 75% less visits per day and a far higher wage!!! The lists go on where the private sector is far more expensive than the public sector. So if the council was to outsource all its departments the council tax would have to increase by about 70% just to cover the bare minimum costs (ie paying for the services from the private companies). All one needs to do is look at the utility companies to see how much their prices have risen since they became "private" companies with less choice, and then the public transport system which is failing everyday because they are now in private ands (rail is an exception due to the amount of government grants and hand-outs they get each year which is almost 30% higher no than what it was when they were British Rail). Look at the goods and services that have gone up in price and less choice from all other public owned companies that went private!!!! As for the departments that no private company wants to operate lets see.... No private company has ever replaced Remploy - why is that? No private company wants to take over the running of "back to work" services - why is that? No private company would want to run the "Bedroom Tax" department - why is that? No private company want to run the children's services department - why is that? No private company want to run the Disablity, Care and Support department - why is that? They re just a few departments which no private company wants. Then, of course, there are the various departments which, by law, cannot be operated by private companies due to possible conflicts of interest - such as magistrate court services, tax help and advise, welfare and benefits.[/p][/quote]Are you happy that the Western WORLD has woken up and decided to wipe out Islamist terror groups who behead Children, kill minority peoples like ISIS and take Women as Slaves and sex objects ?. One question one answer please.[/p][/quote]And if any of the above projects had been run from the start by professional people, they would be queueing up to have a bit of that. Just bad management end of story. piszoff
  • Score: 2

8:01pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
Thomas - basic simple business for you.

90% of all council services are run at a loss - i.e. it is a cost rather than a profit.

Therefore would a private company, whose sole reliance is based on profit in making ends meet, want to run the services that do not make a profit?

But if a private secto company does create a business which et council does, just look at their prices. Look at prices between refuse collections between private and public. Private sector is twice the price!!!! Teaching in the private sector - i.e. the new academies. Teachers paid almost 30% more than in council run schools. then look at the true independent schools, such as Lords College or Bolton school, where schooling costs at least £4,000 per term for the parents and that is before buying the text books, paper, pens etc and where teachers salaries are far higher. Then look at carers - yes they are operated by the local council and not the NHS. Many forced to accept the minimum wage and accept a high number of calls per day (which is basically impossible with the so-called lay-time between visits and the length of time they have for visits) and cannot even get transport costs as it is their own vehicles and fuel they have to use for the visits! Then look at the private sector who are given company vehicles, fuel allowance and almost 75% less visits per day and a far higher wage!!!

The lists go on where the private sector is far more expensive than the public sector. So if the council was to outsource all its departments the council tax would have to increase by about 70% just to cover the bare minimum costs (ie paying for the services from the private companies).

All one needs to do is look at the utility companies to see how much their prices have risen since they became "private" companies with less choice, and then the public transport system which is failing everyday because they are now in private ands (rail is an exception due to the amount of government grants and hand-outs they get each year which is almost 30% higher no than what it was when they were British Rail). Look at the goods and services that have gone up in price and less choice from all other public owned companies that went private!!!!

As for the departments that no private company wants to operate lets see....

No private company has ever replaced Remploy - why is that?
No private company wants to take over the running of "back to work" services - why is that?
No private company would want to run the "Bedroom Tax" department - why is that?
No private company want to run the children's services department - why is that?
No private company want to run the Disablity, Care and Support department - why is that?

They re just a few departments which no private company wants.

Then, of course, there are the various departments which, by law, cannot be operated by private companies due to possible conflicts of interest - such as magistrate court services, tax help and advise, welfare and benefits.
Are you happy that the Western WORLD has woken up and decided to wipe out Islamist terror groups who behead Children, kill minority peoples like ISIS and take Women as Slaves and sex objects ?. One question one answer please.
Thomas, as passionate as you are, you really need to see if your blinkers will allow just who is behind ISIS and various similarities of it's movements set out in the pursuit of Greater Israel.

I'll give you a clue - they armed and funded Argentina during the Falklands War.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas - basic simple business for you. 90% of all council services are run at a loss - i.e. it is a cost rather than a profit. Therefore would a private company, whose sole reliance is based on profit in making ends meet, want to run the services that do not make a profit? But if a private secto company does create a business which et council does, just look at their prices. Look at prices between refuse collections between private and public. Private sector is twice the price!!!! Teaching in the private sector - i.e. the new academies. Teachers paid almost 30% more than in council run schools. then look at the true independent schools, such as Lords College or Bolton school, where schooling costs at least £4,000 per term for the parents and that is before buying the text books, paper, pens etc and where teachers salaries are far higher. Then look at carers - yes they are operated by the local council and not the NHS. Many forced to accept the minimum wage and accept a high number of calls per day (which is basically impossible with the so-called lay-time between visits and the length of time they have for visits) and cannot even get transport costs as it is their own vehicles and fuel they have to use for the visits! Then look at the private sector who are given company vehicles, fuel allowance and almost 75% less visits per day and a far higher wage!!! The lists go on where the private sector is far more expensive than the public sector. So if the council was to outsource all its departments the council tax would have to increase by about 70% just to cover the bare minimum costs (ie paying for the services from the private companies). All one needs to do is look at the utility companies to see how much their prices have risen since they became "private" companies with less choice, and then the public transport system which is failing everyday because they are now in private ands (rail is an exception due to the amount of government grants and hand-outs they get each year which is almost 30% higher no than what it was when they were British Rail). Look at the goods and services that have gone up in price and less choice from all other public owned companies that went private!!!! As for the departments that no private company wants to operate lets see.... No private company has ever replaced Remploy - why is that? No private company wants to take over the running of "back to work" services - why is that? No private company would want to run the "Bedroom Tax" department - why is that? No private company want to run the children's services department - why is that? No private company want to run the Disablity, Care and Support department - why is that? They re just a few departments which no private company wants. Then, of course, there are the various departments which, by law, cannot be operated by private companies due to possible conflicts of interest - such as magistrate court services, tax help and advise, welfare and benefits.[/p][/quote]Are you happy that the Western WORLD has woken up and decided to wipe out Islamist terror groups who behead Children, kill minority peoples like ISIS and take Women as Slaves and sex objects ?. One question one answer please.[/p][/quote]Thomas, as passionate as you are, you really need to see if your blinkers will allow just who is behind ISIS and various similarities of it's movements set out in the pursuit of Greater Israel. I'll give you a clue - they armed and funded Argentina during the Falklands War. Tim Burr
  • Score: 9

8:08pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

As one of the people who campaigned tirelessly for information regarding discretionary housing payments to be freely available rather than buried, it's sad to see the Council have punished tax payers. The so called bedroom tax has it's origins going back to the Brown government IDS was only the messenger.

Whilst not a bad idea in principle, it's execution has been a shambles not helped by continual short sightedness by Councils across the country who provided very little for the provision of changing times.
As one of the people who campaigned tirelessly for information regarding discretionary housing payments to be freely available rather than buried, it's sad to see the Council have punished tax payers. The so called bedroom tax has it's origins going back to the Brown government IDS was only the messenger. Whilst not a bad idea in principle, it's execution has been a shambles not helped by continual short sightedness by Councils across the country who provided very little for the provision of changing times. Tim Burr
  • Score: 6

8:39pm Sun 10 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

nigella farrage wrote:
All those moaning about the public sector would you be willing to pay:

£290/month/person for health insurance (that the average price in both The Netherlands and the USA)
£20/week/bin for your refuse collections
£4500/child/term for education (that price excludes paper, uniform, text books etc)
A new tax to pay for the upkeep of local roads only (which would probably be about 70% of the current council tax)
The appropriate level of tax for the emergency services for the basic standard with no redundnacies (which would actually equate to 25% of the current council tax)
Pay for the use of the library services - approx. £50/annum

Lets not forget that private companies have no moral obligations to do their work and private companies only have their bank balances and, more importantly, shareholders who want dividends, to care about! Private companies do not have customers or a customer base to worry about, only an income that pleases their shareholders!
Yep, I would pay for services all day long, at least choice and customer service would be better.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: All those moaning about the public sector would you be willing to pay: £290/month/person for health insurance (that the average price in both The Netherlands and the USA) £20/week/bin for your refuse collections £4500/child/term for education (that price excludes paper, uniform, text books etc) A new tax to pay for the upkeep of local roads only (which would probably be about 70% of the current council tax) The appropriate level of tax for the emergency services for the basic standard with no redundnacies (which would actually equate to 25% of the current council tax) Pay for the use of the library services - approx. £50/annum Lets not forget that private companies have no moral obligations to do their work and private companies only have their bank balances and, more importantly, shareholders who want dividends, to care about! Private companies do not have customers or a customer base to worry about, only an income that pleases their shareholders![/p][/quote]Yep, I would pay for services all day long, at least choice and customer service would be better. JustBecause
  • Score: 1

9:37pm Sun 10 Aug 14

andy5747 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
All those moaning about the public sector would you be willing to pay:

£290/month/person for health insurance (that the average price in both The Netherlands and the USA)
£20/week/bin for your refuse collections
£4500/child/term for education (that price excludes paper, uniform, text books etc)
A new tax to pay for the upkeep of local roads only (which would probably be about 70% of the current council tax)
The appropriate level of tax for the emergency services for the basic standard with no redundnacies (which would actually equate to 25% of the current council tax)
Pay for the use of the library services - approx. £50/annum

Lets not forget that private companies have no moral obligations to do their work and private companies only have their bank balances and, more importantly, shareholders who want dividends, to care about! Private companies do not have customers or a customer base to worry about, only an income that pleases their shareholders!
Sorry nigella, but you have missed the back handers for our leaders out of your essay.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: All those moaning about the public sector would you be willing to pay: £290/month/person for health insurance (that the average price in both The Netherlands and the USA) £20/week/bin for your refuse collections £4500/child/term for education (that price excludes paper, uniform, text books etc) A new tax to pay for the upkeep of local roads only (which would probably be about 70% of the current council tax) The appropriate level of tax for the emergency services for the basic standard with no redundnacies (which would actually equate to 25% of the current council tax) Pay for the use of the library services - approx. £50/annum Lets not forget that private companies have no moral obligations to do their work and private companies only have their bank balances and, more importantly, shareholders who want dividends, to care about! Private companies do not have customers or a customer base to worry about, only an income that pleases their shareholders![/p][/quote]Sorry nigella, but you have missed the back handers for our leaders out of your essay. andy5747
  • Score: 0

9:03am Mon 11 Aug 14

Balboa says...

The labour supporting BN had 2 options when reporting this "issue":

1. Call it a bedroom tax, stoke up anti-Govt support in the area, plug the socilaists at every possible opportunity; or
2. Report that tenants are living beyond their means in a larger house than they can afford.

Draw your own conclusions....
The labour supporting BN had 2 options when reporting this "issue": 1. Call it a bedroom tax, stoke up anti-Govt support in the area, plug the socilaists at every possible opportunity; or 2. Report that tenants are living beyond their means in a larger house than they can afford. Draw your own conclusions.... Balboa
  • Score: 6

10:32am Mon 11 Aug 14

Balboa says...

Balboa wrote:
The labour supporting BN had 2 options when reporting this "issue":

1. Call it a bedroom tax, stoke up anti-Govt support in the area, plug the socilaists at every possible opportunity; or
2. Report that tenants are living beyond their means in a larger house than they can afford.

Draw your own conclusions....
..sorry, can't afford
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: The labour supporting BN had 2 options when reporting this "issue": 1. Call it a bedroom tax, stoke up anti-Govt support in the area, plug the socilaists at every possible opportunity; or 2. Report that tenants are living beyond their means in a larger house than they can afford. Draw your own conclusions....[/p][/quote]..sorry, can't afford Balboa
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