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Smoke rebel landlord locked out

11:27am Saturday 22nd September 2007

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By News Editor James Higgins »

REBEL landlord Nick Hogan has been locked out of his pub.

And by last night he had also lost the licence for the The Swan hotel in Bolton town centre and the neighbouring Barristers bar.

Mr Hogan has been in the headlines for his stance on the smoking ban, introduced in July.

He has repeatedly allowed drinkers to smoke in his bars and is now awaiting trial after pleading not guilty to five counts of failing to prevent people from smoking and four counts of obstructing council officers.

The owner of The Swan and Barristers building, Paul Kylie, called in a team of bailiffs to force entry to the building and change the locks yesterday morning.

He claimed Mr Hogan had breached the terms of his lease - which states he must abide by all UK laws - by allowing customers to smoke.

A notice placed in the window said any attempts by Mr Hogan to re-enter the premises would lead to criminal or civil action being taken against him.

In a day of dramatic twists and turns, Mr Hogan then took court action and won the right to re-enter the property.

But within hours, Bolton Council's licensing department agreed to an application by Paul Kylie to change the tenancy to his son Ryan.

Last night Mr Hogan, who has run The Swan for the last three years, claimed he had been the victim of a stitch-up.

Mr Hogan said bailiffs forced entry to the Swan and Barristers at around 6.15am and activated the burglar alarms.

He immediately drove to the pub and met his manager, and said he found Paul Kylie and a number of bailiffs in the yard.

They had changed the locks and chained the gates which lead to the entrance of the Barristers bar.

Mr Hogan contacted his solicitor and took the matter to a hearing at the High Court in Manchester, where he won the right to get back into the property.

He claimed he couldn't be branded a law breaker until he had been convicted in relation to breaching the smoking ban.

But meanwhile, Mr Kylie and his son had visited Bolton Council's licensing department, where they got the tenancy of The Swan and Barristers changed so Ryan Kylie was the new licensee.

Licensing Act laws say that it is within the rights of a pub owner to change the nominated licensee if he or she is able to prove they can run the premises for the reason they were licensed.

The owner must also have tried to gain the consent of the current licensee to the change.

Mr Hogan said last night: "Bolton Council has acted illegally, they have acted irresponsibly and I believe they have taken this course of action because I have allowed people to smoke, despite the smoking ban.

"The council must be off their rockers to do this. I will sue them over this - then I'll sue them again."

A spokesman for the council's licensing department said hearings regarding a change of licensee were "nothing out of the ordinary".

"They can normally be completed in a fairly short period of time. On this occasion we were satisfied that parties involved were able to satisfy all the criteria necessary," he said.

"If Mr Hogan wishes to invoke a similar process, it is well within his rights."

The Swan and Barristers are at the centre of a tug-of-war, with owner Paul Kylie reportedly offering them for sale with vacant possession to Darren Miller, the owner of the Flying Flute in Bradshawgate, Before yesterday's developments, Mr Hogan claimed the sale could not happen because he has a lease on the pubs until 2040.

Mr Kylie was not available for comment yesterday.

But last night The Swan and Barristers were open for business as usual.

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King Eric, . says...
11:31am Sat 22 Sep 07

Superb news.
Justice is done and Sulk Hogan's three minutes in the spotlight has faded.

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Tubby Scruff, Alderley Edge says...
11:38am Sat 22 Sep 07

"The owner must also have tried to gain the consent of the current licensee to the change".

If this is the case Bolton Council and Kylie have acted illegally. Leading the way for an interesting case that could land Hogan with a good few shillings.

Hogan, love him or hate him, is innocent until proven guilty.

Erica, I'm surprised you can sit at your PC after last night with your young charge.

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dear anti yobs, breightmet says...
11:40am Sat 22 Sep 07

and it all goes up in a puff of smoke ha ha

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only me, farnworth says...
11:52am Sat 22 Sep 07

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Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
11:55am Sat 22 Sep 07

Tubby Scruff wrote:
"The owner must also have tried to gain the consent of the current licensee to the change".

If this is the case Bolton Council and Kylie have acted illegally. Leading the way for an interesting case that could land Hogan with a good few shillings.

Hogan, love him or hate him, is innocent until proven guilty.

Erica, I'm surprised you can sit at your PC after last night with your young charge.
Quite right as much as people might hate it we still have habeous corpus in this country.

You have had a taste of corpus jurus with the Mcanns case.

Be prepared for more of it.

Bolton Council and The owner of the building appear to have acted illegally in this case.

Like Tubby says it will be very interesting indeed.

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Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
11:56am Sat 22 Sep 07

Does it mean those wretched bouncers are still working there then?

The short fat stocky bald one touched my daughter in an inappropriate manner.



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dear anti yobs, breightmet says...
12:00pm Sat 22 Sep 07

well tell your daughter not to go in their and has she informed the police as it sounds to me like sexual abuse if not get it reported now

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RagReader, Horwich says...
12:06pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Tom Thumb wrote:
Does it mean those wretched bouncers are still working there then? The short fat stocky bald one touched my daughter in an inappropriate manner.
After your previous comments about points of law should you be saying that?
As Anti Yobs says,it should be a police matter.

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Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
12:13pm Sat 22 Sep 07

dear anti yobs wrote:
well tell your daughter not to go in their and has she informed the police as it sounds to me like sexual abuse if not get it reported now
No she stays away now.

Yes It should but its up to her to report it not me.

She is perhaps stronger.

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kerry, says...
12:30pm Sat 22 Sep 07

so somebody can beat somebody half to death get a simple cation. yet poor Nick gets locked out of his pub and the bailiffs called for allowing people to smoke
ps why does the Dj in the swan look so much like shrek ?

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RagReader, Horwich says...
12:47pm Sat 22 Sep 07

kerry wrote:
so somebody can beat somebody half to death get a simple cation. yet poor Nick gets locked out of his pub and the bailiffs called for allowing people to smoke ps why does the Dj in the swan look so much like shrek ?
The owner has thrown him out for breaking the law and violating his lease,what's that got to do with police cautions for assault?
I wouldn't know about the DJ looking like Shrek,I prefer smoke free pubs.

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berushka, europe says...
1:14pm Sat 22 Sep 07

RagReader wrote:
kerry wrote: so somebody can beat somebody half to death get a simple cation. yet poor Nick gets locked out of his pub and the bailiffs called for allowing people to smoke ps why does the Dj in the swan look so much like shrek ?
The owner has thrown him out for breaking the law and violating his lease,what's that got to do with police cautions for assault? I wouldn't know about the DJ looking like Shrek,I prefer smoke free pubs.
No! the owner and his thugs have illegally gained access with the aide and abettence of Bolton Council. They did not approach Mr Hogan to discuss it, which is required by law before the licencee can be changed. Once again, the thugs of Bolton Council have acted, probably got a backhander of kylie. Oh when will the people of Bolton wake up and git rid of the gestapo posing as councillors?

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Pieman, Bolton says...
1:16pm Sat 22 Sep 07

BURN BABY BURN DISCO INFERNO!!!!!

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dear anti yobs, breightmet says...
1:19pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Tom Thumb wrote:
dear anti yobs wrote: well tell your daughter not to go in their and has she informed the police as it sounds to me like sexual abuse if not get it reported now
No she stays away now. Yes It should but its up to her to report it not me. She is perhaps stronger.
strong girl takes a lot to deal with well done her

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jpl, bangkok says...
1:27pm Sat 22 Sep 07

I'm surprised the freedom2choose have not been alerted to the story, they must be having a mass protest in a telephone kiosk somewhere in the country.

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cow-head, westhoughton says...
1:33pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Keep fighting Nick, I hope that all of the smokers now boycott the Pub, from an Ex-smoker that believes in human rights. There are plenty of Pubs for the real anti-smokers like Erica, who by his/her own admission wouldn't go in the Swan anyway.

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don060541, devon says...
2:28pm Sat 22 Sep 07

so this is what it comes down to it used to be great britain the gb is right but it should be gestapo britain cant do this cant do that we will tax you to the hilt to provide for the social scrongers and druggies who cane be bothered to work just steal some hard working folks cash if i remeber correct the swan is on the corner of bradshawgate can just picture them all standing outside blocking the pavement to have a fag hse comes to mind if someone gets knocked down avoiding the crowd good on you hogan you wont win but nice try the good guy never wins over the spineless gov

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don060541, devon says...
2:30pm Sat 22 Sep 07

so this is what it comes down to it used to be great britain the gb is right but it should be gestapo britain cant do this cant do that we will tax you to the hilt to provide for the social scrongers and druggies who cane be bothered to work just steal some hard working folks cash if i remeber correct the swan is on the corner of bradshawgate can just picture them all standing outside blocking the pavement to have a fag hse comes to mind if someone gets knocked down avoiding the crowd good on you hogan you wont win but nice try the good guy never wins over the spineless gov

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Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
2:36pm Sat 22 Sep 07

"They did not approach Mr Hogan to discuss it, which is required by law before the licencee can be changed. "

Unfortunately when you break the law as was allowed in this case the Licensee can have his licence revoked and at that precise moment his lease becomes invalid so therefore they didn't break the law.

I've been and asked a local landlord about this.

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keithyt, Bolton says...
3:11pm Sat 22 Sep 07

I think Hogans defence of innocence as he has not been proven guilty yet is flimsy to say the least, he has missed no opportunity to speak to the press and openly admit that he knows he is breaking the law and doesn't give a t***. He has stated on mumerous occasions that he will break the law until he has his day in court. So anyone would say that the owner's stance that he has broken the terms of his tenancy is a resonable argument.

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JoePublic, Bolton says...
3:25pm Sat 22 Sep 07

jpl wrote:
I'm surprised the freedom2choose have not been alerted to the story, they must be having a mass protest in a telephone kiosk somewhere in the country.
Indeed, where are freedom2choose? What are they organising in support of Nick Hogan? Will the pub be picketed by smokers? Will leaflets be handed out in the street urging people to boycott the pub?
I doubt it, because at the end of the day it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience to smokers and healthier for the rest of us. In the 15 months leading up to the ban there were no marches in the streets. There was no organised revolt. Just a bunch of hardliners posting on here telling us how they should be allowed to smoke in pubs because "passive smoking is harmless".
They were toothless. Absolutely toothless.

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JoePublic, Bolton says...
3:27pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Oh when will the people of Bolton wake up and git rid of the gestapo posing as councillors?

Tell us which of the political parties has offered to scrap this rule.
And if there are none, then perhaps the smokers of Bolton would like to start their own party and stand in the next local elections. Let's see how much support you really have.

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don060541, devon says...
3:46pm Sat 22 Sep 07

so this is what it comes down to it used to be great britain the gb is right but it should be gestapo britain cant do this cant do that we will tax you to the hilt to provide for the social scrongers and druggies who cane be bothered to work just steal some hard working folks cash if i remeber correct the swan is on the corner of bradshawgate can just picture them all standing outside blocking the pavement to have a fag hse comes to mind if someone gets knocked down avoiding the crowd good on you hogan you wont win but nice try the good guy never wins over the spineless gov

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don060541, devon says...
3:47pm Sat 22 Sep 07

so this is what it comes down to it used to be great britain the gb is right but it should be gestapo britain cant do this cant do that we will tax you to the hilt to provide for the social scrongers and druggies who cane be bothered to work just steal some hard working folks cash if i remeber correct the swan is on the corner of bradshawgate can just picture them all standing outside blocking the pavement to have a fag hse comes to mind if someone gets knocked down avoiding the crowd good on you hogan you wont win but nice try the good guy never wins over the spineless gov

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blue, Lancs says...
3:50pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Scotland’s smoking ban has produced significant public health benefits in its first year, with 17 per cent fewer hospital admissions for heart attacks.
Whilst I concede that people should have a right to choose, cigarette smoke and its ill effects do not confine themselves to smokers. Case in point Roy Castle.

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cow-head, westhoughton says...
3:56pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Joe Bigot (or Public as you call yourself) are just a hard-line left wing loonie with similar views to Erica.Get a life you sad bast*rd. From an ex-smoker.

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JoePublic, Bolton says...
4:21pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Handbags.

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RagReader, Horwich says...
4:25pm Sat 22 Sep 07

don060541, devon
Put your cigarette down,you keep pressing the comment button.

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Phil Williams, Norfolk says...
5:22pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Nick hogan has not broken the law until a court decides he has. This eviction and tenancy change business is a deliberate act of hate campaigning in an attempt to oust him before his trial. It is obvious to all concerned that if Mr Hogans case is aired in court, the council will be shown for the disgrace it is. And so they will support any measures to remove him beforehand.

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Belinda Cunnison, says...
5:33pm Sat 22 Sep 07

It used to be a principle of British justice that one person prosecutes you, and another decides the verdict, applying legal principles. The prosecuting authority can't decide you are guilty. That is an abuse of process, and Bolton council should be ashamed of themselves.

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only me, farnworth says...
5:55pm Sat 22 Sep 07

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don060541, devon says...
6:05pm Sat 22 Sep 07

so this is what it comes down to it used to be great britain the gb is right but it should be gestapo britain cant do this cant do that we will tax you to the hilt to provide for the social scrongers and druggies who cane be bothered to work just steal some hard working folks cash if i remeber correct the swan is on the corner of bradshawgate can just picture them all standing outside blocking the pavement to have a fag hse comes to mind if someone gets knocked down avoiding the crowd good on you hogan you wont win but nice try the good guy never wins over the spineless gov

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JoePublic, Bolton says...
6:27pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Belinda Cunnison wrote:
It used to be a principle of British justice that one person prosecutes you, and another decides the verdict, applying legal principles. The prosecuting authority can't decide you are guilty. That is an abuse of process, and Bolton council should be ashamed of themselves.
Why should the Council be ashamed of themselves? This action has obviously been instigated by the owner of the premises who believes an illegal activity is taking place there. Admittedly, the owner is trying to sell the building, something that would be harder to do if the lessee or tenant has had his licence revoked, and is trying to cover his own back.
As to whether Mr Hogan is guilty or not, I'm sure that if you read the comments left on some of the earlier threads on this case you would be left in no doubt that what has been happening in the Swan is illegal. The only surprise in this case was if Mr Hogan was found not guilty.

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only me, farnworth says...
7:35pm Sat 22 Sep 07

don060541 wrote:
so this is what it comes down to it used to be great britain the gb is right but it should be gestapo britain cant do this cant do that we will tax you to the hilt to provide for the social scrongers and druggies who cane be bothered to work just steal some hard working folks cash if i remeber correct the swan is on the corner of bradshawgate can just picture them all standing outside blocking the pavement to have a fag hse comes to mind if someone gets knocked down avoiding the crowd good on you hogan you wont win but nice try the good guy never wins over the spineless gov
At least I managed to add a few extra words to my copying and pasting effort!!!!

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Jan Gibbons, Manchester says...
7:42pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Nick has a lot of support from the people who still believe in anothers
freedom to choose . This is a sad day and more proof that England is now in the hands of a dictatorship.RIP democracy!

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Phil Williams, Norfolk says...
8:56pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Noble concepts such as freedom and choice have been trampled under the mad rush to persecute the smoker. Prior to this ban we all co-existed, smoker and non smoker, but now the antis have revealed their long simmering plan, persecution on a national level. To stand against such unrelenting hate takes courage and Nick Hogan is an example to us all. If he dares to face up to to such repression, only the persecutors can condemn him, and show themselves for what they are, anti freedom, anti social bigots. Smoking is not the issue here, freedom of choice for all is.

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hatemanu, bolton says...
9:11pm Sat 22 Sep 07

are people so lazy that they cant walk to the door and smoke, what is the problem at all , this man was not interested in fighting the gov , all he wanted was to be in the papers to boost is ego , he is a complete embarassment to the town . there is a big beer garden at back aswell where a lot of people go anyway , he was finding a problem where there is not one , good riddens to the knob, hope u have lossed a lot of money beening a big man , hope you go and find another town to embrasses

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Derek Launch, London says...
9:15pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Joe Public said:

"As to whether Mr Hogan is guilty or not, I'm sure that if you read the comments left on some of the earlier threads on this case you would be left in no doubt that what has been happening in the Swan is illegal."

Since when did you become a Judge?

He has been charged, and pleaded not guilty, and is awaiting his court case. As the regulations clearly state, transferrance of his licence is not allowed unless he is consulted first. That didn't happen, so that is illegal. Simple really.

The authorities are not consulting him as they consider him to have broken the law already. But he hasn't as it hasn't been tested in court yet. He is still not guilty until proven so. Therefore the denial of his licence is not only illegal but also perfect grounds for litigation by Nick Hogan whether he is subsequentially convicted or not.

I'm glad you're happy about Bolton officials throwing Council taxpayers' money down the drain so easily.

Plus, it shows that you are obviously quite happy with the legal system being treated with contempt.


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hatemanu, bolton says...
9:15pm Sat 22 Sep 07

as for u jan get a life , is it that hard to walk ten metres to the beer garden , if so how do you get your fags , do you walk to a shop for them , why should other people breath you smoke in , because ur lazy .

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Derek Launch, London says...
9:18pm Sat 22 Sep 07

hatemanu said:

"are people so lazy that they cant walk to the door and smoke, what is the problem at all , this man was not interested in fighting the gov , all he wanted was to be in the papers to boost is ego , he is a complete embarassment to the town . there is a big beer garden at back aswell where a lot of people go anyway , he was finding a problem where there is not one , good riddens to the knob, hope u have lossed a lot of money beening a big man , hope you go and find another town to embrasses"

Are you too lazy to learn to write? Or check what you have written? Or address the issue with regard the points raised?

Just watch your football and stick to something you understand.

Good Grief! LMAO

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Derek Launch, London says...
9:19pm Sat 22 Sep 07

hatemanu wrote:
as for u jan get a life , is it that hard to walk ten metres to the beer garden , if so how do you get your fags , do you walk to a shop for them , why should other people breath you smoke in , because ur lazy .
Two posts where you can't be bothered to spell words properly or check what you are typing. And you call others lazy?

Good Grief x 2. LMFAO!

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Phil Williams, Norfolk says...
9:23pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Thankyou Hatemanu! You have single handedly proven the case of every freedom of choice supporter that the anti smoking brigade are nothing more than bigoted fools. Against such feeble minded opposition our arguements are elevated for the world to see. Thanks again.
PS: Feel free to add some more mindless comments, they remind us how inferior you are.

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hatemanu, bolton says...
9:34pm Sat 22 Sep 07

ok derek , you go and smoke yourself to death but dont kill the rest of us ,who dont want to breath you cancer sticks in , because u will not get up off your arse and walk to the beer garden

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hatemanu, bolton says...
9:42pm Sat 22 Sep 07

phil keep up the good work mate , are these people mad or what , they talk of freedom , but they cant see they are taking ours away by lighting up , they have a choice to get up and walk ten metres to the beer garden , so they do have a choice , phil they know u are totally right but they are set in there ways , ps if i have spelt anything wrong im sorry derek , instead of reading my words , why dont you read you cig box , and see what them fags are doing to you ,

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hatemanu, bolton says...
9:54pm Sat 22 Sep 07

phil is really a none smoker , im sure he is taking the mickey , he can really believe anybody would think hogan is a example to us all , good one nick , a man who lets people smoke in is pub , effecting is staff and other customers, effecting there health , hope he comes up to norfolk ,and embrasses ur neighbourhood in national press

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Carlos Em, London says...
10:02pm Sat 22 Sep 07

hatemanu wrote:
as for u jan get a life , is it that hard to walk ten metres to the beer garden , if so how do you get your fags , do you walk to a shop for them , why should other people breath you smoke in , because ur lazy .
No this is not about smoking but about property rights. Its Nick's pub and not yours. If you want a smokefree pub make your own and stop **** off others.

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Carlos Em, London says...
10:05pm Sat 22 Sep 07

hatemanu wrote:
phil is really a none smoker , im sure he is taking the mickey , he can really believe anybody would think hogan is a example to us all , good one nick , a man who lets people smoke in is pub , effecting is staff and other customers, effecting there health , hope he comes up to norfolk ,and embrasses ur neighbourhood in national press
A bit like you- passive smoking is proven to be nothing more than a mere irritant. Nick is a great man and we shall support him! He is standing up for civil liberties!!

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Phil Williams, Norfolk says...
10:10pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Those last two comments rather prove my point Hatemanu. Either you clearly failed to grasp the concept of my previous comment or you accepted my final closing offer to show yourself for the bigoted fool you are. Perhaps a few hours in school would aid your faltering argument, but I doubt it.
And as I said this is not a matter of smoker against non smoker, but rather a struggle between freedom and those that deny it, the anti smokers.

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King Eric, . says...
10:20pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Heh heh, the PRO-CANCER lobby are in the house.
Their Martin Luther King, their Nelson Mandela, their Che has been proved to have wings of clay.
Your hero has been defeated in a court of law to be an unsuitable licensee.
You have been fulsome in your praise of the 'freedom fighter' so I expect thousands of your movement outside the court, and you will of course all be contributing to his fund ?
So let's have a list of all you frredom p[eople, who is doing the above ?
Answer or keep quiet.

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hatemanu, bolton says...
10:26pm Sat 22 Sep 07

It wasn't Nicks pub, get your facts right. He's been thrown out as he couldn't obey the law. We don't live in a dictatorship, you don't have to STOP smoking, just do it somewhere to minimise the effects on people who choose not to increase their chances of cancer and heart disease i.e. outside. As for the person who says anti-smokers should choose elsewhere to drink then you are making your your own rules up. Paul Kylie has every right to chuck Hogan out his pub, he is breaking the law day-in, day-out for us all to see. Without out laws like this being enforced we won't reduce the number of cases of people dying of disease uneccessarily. Someone needed to stand up to him

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King Eric, Nine Prem Titles says...
10:28pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Good points, childish log in name.

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Phil Williams, Norfolk says...
10:30pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Ah! Eric, before you start with your strange and meaningless questions, perhaps you should provide the long awaited answer to Chas's simple yes or no question from last night. You know the one, is there more than one cause of lung cancer? If you say yes you lose your argument and if you say no you show you have no knowledge. Well? Whats it gonna be, yes or no?

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King Eric, . says...
10:38pm Sat 22 Sep 07

If you say yes you lose your argument and if you say no you show you have no knowledge


Ok I'll ask you a similar question.
Is there a God ?
If you say yes you lose your argument and if you say no you show you have no knowledge

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hatemanu, bolton says...
10:49pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Well Said Eric!

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Phil Williams, Norfolk says...
10:52pm Sat 22 Sep 07

I say to that rediculous proposistion, We are all free to choose the manner and name of our respective gods, each individual may believe as his or her concience dictates, but none have the right to impose their religion on another.
We do not impose our smoke on others as they are free to choose not to enter premisses in which we smoke, just like you are free not to enter a place of worship not to your liking.
On the other hand you feel that you have a right to enter anothers property and dictate your intolerance of their activities upon them.
And incidentaly no, I do not believe in god.
There, I have answered your topic changing question so lets get back to first. Is there more than one cuase of lung cancer?

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King Eric, . says...
11:03pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Phil it's been a long day.
Your hero is facing ruin.
His pub has been taken off him.
He faces massive fines for defying the law.
The law won't be repealed.
Have a sleep, soldier.
Thanks for guarding us in Munchengladbach. Your work is done.
Have a big nap.
You're slurring your posts.

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Phil Williams, Norfolk says...
11:10pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Eric, Yet again your avoidance of answering simple questions provides us the answer we already knew. You will not because you cannot. But yes, I shall turn in, not through tiredness but thanks to the utter boredom of waiting for you to provide anything remotely similar to an argument. Goodnight!

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King Eric, . says...
11:15pm Sat 22 Sep 07

God Bless Corporal Pike.

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hatemanu, bolton says...
11:19pm Sat 22 Sep 07

Dear Phil from Norfolk

I wasn't aware that The swan was a clearly designated (illegal) 'smoking pub' - I thought they were banned by law. Places or worship usually say what they are so you can choose whether to go in. Anyone could have walked in The Swan for a drink unaware that it was the only pub in Britain where you smoking was 'allowed'. Fair enough if the law allowed it to be but it blatantly doesnt. You can smoke in your own home because it's your private domain. A public house is just that - PUBLIC! And hey, smoking is banned within enclosed public places. If Hogan wants people to smoke, he should invite them round to his own house.

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Derek Launch, London says...
11:59pm Sat 22 Sep 07

hatemanu, are you actually a pro-smoker as your arguments are very funny.

"If Hogan wants people to smoke, he should invite them round to his own house."

err ... his pub is actually his property as long as his lease allows, so he is doing exactly as you say he should.

Go back to Sky Sports, it's more your bag LMAO

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Carlos Em, London says...
12:22am Sun 23 Sep 07

Ditto Derek- hatemanu has no idea whatsoever of how the political elites are taking advantage of people like him.

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Tubby Scruff, Alderley Edge says...
1:37am Sun 23 Sep 07

Derek, Carlos et al.

Hatemanu and Erica are the same person. It's one of his many persona's. Look how he's suddenly found a grammar checker..typical Princess Erica.

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werty, bolton says...
3:23am Sun 23 Sep 07

Wont they have to decorate the place, to get rid of the filth, i wouldnt go into a stinking pub if you paid me, removing ashtrays isnt good enough.

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King Eric, . says...