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Hogan back behind pumps
5:40pm Thursday 27th September 2007
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REBEL landlord Nick Hogan has been reinstated as the licensee of The Swan hotel and Barristers bar.
Bolton Council's licensing department has confirmed it is amending the licence of the town centre pubs, once again naming Mr Hogan as the landlord.
He was shut out when the owner of the buldings, Paul Kylie, had his son installed as the new landlord after a meeting with licensing chiefs at Bolton Council.
But Mr Hogan launched a battle against the decision and his solicitor, Andrew Haffner, is expecting to receive the new licence tomorrow.
Mr Hogan, said: "I'm delighted and this just shows that I haven't done anything wrong . I thought I was going to be out of here on September 21, but I'm still here on September 27 because I'm an honourable, decent businessman."
Mr Hogan was locked out of The Swan and Barristers last Friday when the owner of the buildings, Paul Kylie called in the baliffs and changed the locks, claiming the terms of the lease had been broken because the landlord had allowed customers to smoke.
The pub boss - who has been making headlines for allegedly flouting the smoking ban - went to the High Court in Manchester and claimed he had not broken the law because he had not been convicted in connection with his reported smoking ban breaches.
Mr Hogan won the right to get back into the two pubs, but as the case was being heard, Mr Kylie and his son, Ryan, visited Bolton Council's licensing department, where they changed the tenancy of The Swan and Barristers, naming Ryan as the new licensee.
But following a letter from Mr Hogan's solicitor, the council have reversed their decision and he has now been reinstated as landlord.
His solicitor, Mr Haffner, said: "We were very concerned regarding the circumstances surrounding how the license got transferred into Ryan Kelly's name last Friday. We asked the licensing authority to investigate matters and we put in an application for the transfer of the license back into Nick's name and they have now granted that application."
The controversial landlord has repeatedly allowed drinkers to smoke in the two bars.
He is now awaiting trial after pleading not guilty to five counts of failing to prevent people from smoking and four of obstructing council officers.
Mr Hogan was due to appear at the High Court in Manchester this morning to determine whether he has breached the terms of his lease.
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kerry, says...
5:49pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Dont let them grind you down
i smoke in the swan its packed, because we can smoke other landlords can learn a lot from you
Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
5:50pm Thu 27 Sep 07
In other words they were in the WRONG.
Brilliant news for democracy.
kerry, says...
5:50pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tom Thumb wrote:and me lol
And the first person down there celebrating will be..................
..................
King Eric
Chris N Amos, Sharples says...
5:53pm Thu 27 Sep 07
ny other authoratative figure to uphold the law or face the consequences.
hatemanu, bolton says...
5:54pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tubby Scruff, Alderley Edge says...
5:55pm Thu 27 Sep 07
There's something about this that stinks to high heaven and it ain't fags.
Good Luck Nick..and I don't smoke !
Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
5:55pm Thu 27 Sep 07
This is a LIE.
He has only been deemed to have broken the law, it remains an accusation.
We do still have innocent until proven guilty in this country.
cow-head, westhoughton says...
6:06pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tim Clarke, Wigan says...
6:14pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Chris N Amos, Sharples says...
6:18pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tom Thumb wrote:People have been caught smoking in his pubs, and some openly admit to smoking in his pubs on here - ipso facto he has broke the law by not making people stub it out in his pubs - as the law (sorry to say this word but it is true for every law in every country on this planet) dictates!
Chris, This is a LIE. He has only been deemed to have broken the law, it remains an accusation. We do still have innocent until proven guilty in this country.
mercy, bolton says...
6:19pm Thu 27 Sep 07
kerry wrote:yes and its revolting, its disgraceful that when you go out anywhere non smokers hair and clothes come back stinking of fags, theres nothing quite as wonderful at having a bath a 3.30am and having the washing machine going after a night out.
good luck Nick xxx Dont let them grind you down i smoke in the swan its packed, because we can smoke other landlords can learn a lot from you
Tim Clarke, Wigan says...
6:19pm Thu 27 Sep 07
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Tim Clarke, Wigan says...
6:20pm Thu 27 Sep 07
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
boris, west sussex says...
6:20pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Big_Andy, Farnworth says...
6:20pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Jethro Tull, Bolton says...
6:21pm Thu 27 Sep 07
I'll be down the Swan this weekend celebrating a victory for common sense !
After all your stupid comments earlier King Eric, is that you I spy hiding in your shell ??????
Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
6:23pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Chris N Amos wrote:IF someone breaks the law in a public place are those that administer the running of the place responsible for their crime?
Tom Thumb wrote:People have been caught smoking in his pubs, and some openly admit to smoking in his pubs on here - ipso facto he has broke the law by not making people stub it out in his pubs - as the law (sorry to say this word but it is true for every law in every country on this planet) dictates!
Chris, This is a LIE. He has only been deemed to have broken the law, it remains an accusation. We do still have innocent until proven guilty in this country.
I think not otherwise we would have Bolton Council being fined for peoples adverse behaviour on their premises.
boris, west sussex says...
6:24pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
6:26pm Thu 27 Sep 07
mercy wrote:Indeed, I have to put up with some cheap women's perfumes that are far more toxic and eye watering than any fag smoke.
kerry wrote:yes and its revolting, its disgraceful that when you go out anywhere non smokers hair and clothes come back stinking of fags, theres nothing quite as wonderful at having a bath a 3.30am and having the washing machine going after a night out.
good luck Nick xxx Dont let them grind you down i smoke in the swan its packed, because we can smoke other landlords can learn a lot from you
And I'm a non smoker.
boris, west sussex says...
6:28pm Thu 27 Sep 07
King Eric, . says...
6:28pm Thu 27 Sep 07
He's got the right to the licence as before, he hasn't got the right to flout the smoking ban.
Simple really.
Tom Thumb, glad you are happy to see the same regime back in place where you alleged an incident against your daughter.Strange set of standards when you value a publican over the wellbeing of your daughter.
Anyway, it's a democracy it's your choice.
Tim Clarke, Wigan says...
6:30pm Thu 27 Sep 07
mercy wrote:So, in essence, what you are saying is that smoking bans are making people wash less?
kerry wrote:yes and its revolting, its disgraceful that when you go out anywhere non smokers hair and clothes come back stinking of fags, theres nothing quite as wonderful at having a bath a 3.30am and having the washing machine going after a night out.
good luck Nick xxx Dont let them grind you down i smoke in the swan its packed, because we can smoke other landlords can learn a lot from you
Chris N Amos, Sharples says...
6:36pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tom Thumb wrote:The law covers public buildings so in the case of building the building management whether a manger, landlord or even the council would be libel. The law does not cover public open spaces and as such no law is being broken - but if you are trying to suggest that if a law in=s committed anywhere outside then its the councils fault - firstly it depends on what law is broken and secondly its down to the cps. If you said it for arguments sake then it is just far to ambiguous to justify your statement and is basically a non-starter.
Chris N Amos wrote:IF someone breaks the law in a public place are those that administer the running of the place responsible for their crime? I think not otherwise we would have Bolton Council being fined for peoples adverse behaviour on their premises.Tom Thumb wrote: Chris, This is a LIE. He has only been deemed to have broken the law, it remains an accusation. We do still have innocent until proven guilty in this country.People have been caught smoking in his pubs, and some openly admit to smoking in his pubs on here - ipso facto he has broke the law by not making people stub it out in his pubs - as the law (sorry to say this word but it is true for every law in every country on this planet) dictates!
boris, west sussex says...
6:40pm Thu 27 Sep 07
joe public, lincoln says...
6:54pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Smoking's cool, always has been, always will be.Even cooler since July 1...extra cool in parts of Bolton today.
Nothing you say or do will alter that.
What's it like to be stuck in the mud?
mercy, bolton says...
6:59pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tom Thumb wrote:cheap perfume - YYUUKK, I NEVER wear cheap or revolting perfume,in fact I almost had a bunmch pr flowers from a neighbours husband I smelled that nice wearing my gorgeous christian dior perfume! What revolts me in the aftershave JOOP, and the copy is disgusting, always makes me want to heave - its so disgustng - also old spice,denim and naff sets- still better than B.O. Thats the worst. I always use lovelly deodourant that doesnt clash with any perfume I wear. - Youve brought up an excellent point and Im glad a man brought it up, cheers
mercy wrote:Indeed, I have to put up with some cheap women's perfumes that are far more toxic and eye watering than any fag smoke. And I'm a non smoker.kerry wrote: good luck Nick xxx Dont let them grind you down i smoke in the swan its packed, because we can smoke other landlords can learn a lot from youyes and its revolting, its disgraceful that when you go out anywhere non smokers hair and clothes come back stinking of fags, theres nothing quite as wonderful at having a bath a 3.30am and having the washing machine going after a night out.
mercy, bolton says...
7:03pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tim Clarke wrote:I hope not! Its much easier after a nightout toset the washer off in the morning, have a wash then a bath in the morning, still depends how many hours youve been out for, in fact some peopel woulnt even consider a shower or bath after a night out - even after the morning after - -yyukkky.
mercy wrote:So, in essence, what you are saying is that smoking bans are making people wash less?kerry wrote: good luck Nick xxx Dont let them grind you down i smoke in the swan its packed, because we can smoke other landlords can learn a lot from youyes and its revolting, its disgraceful that when you go out anywhere non smokers hair and clothes come back stinking of fags, theres nothing quite as wonderful at having a bath a 3.30am and having the washing machine going after a night out.
chas, suffolk says...
7:23pm Thu 27 Sep 07
WELL DONE NICK.
boris, west sussex says...
7:23pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
7:27pm Thu 27 Sep 07
King Eric wrote:ERM I don't hold the publican responsible for the actions of a perverted doorman.
The battle for the tenancy of the two little bars is irrelevant to the issue of the smoking laws being disobeyed.
He's got the right to the licence as before, he hasn't got the right to flout the smoking ban.
Simple really.
Tom Thumb, glad you are happy to see the same regime back in place where you alleged an incident against your daughter.Strange set of standards when you value a publican over the wellbeing of your daughter.
Anyway, it's a democracy it's your choice.
Proving such is very hard if no one saw it.
Glad your not a JP or magistrate anyway.
Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
7:31pm Thu 27 Sep 07
There you go again supporting an illegal action this time by the council.
You must have been brought up in the old soviet union.
Tim Clarke, Wigan says...
7:33pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tom Thumb wrote:In Soviet Russia, Hogan give council their license back!
Oh and Erica,
There you go again supporting an illegal action this time by the council.
You must have been brought up in the old soviet union.
boris, west sussex says...
7:34pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Erica gets cheap brushes from the council. But I'll tell you one thing, they are not recyclable.
hatemanu, bolton says...
7:38pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
7:40pm Thu 27 Sep 07
hatemanu wrote:Hmmmm yes ... was he prosecuted?
well done nick , keep beating people up , your such a great example to everyone . Keep up the good work .
not-in-my-name, local says...
7:43pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tim Clarke, Wigan says...
7:43pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Chris N Amos wrote:What about someone smoking in a substantially enclosed alley way - is that not the fault of the local authority for 1) allowing the alley way to be substantially enclosed and 2) not stopping the person smoking there?
Tom Thumb wrote:The law covers public buildings so in the case of building the building management whether a manger, landlord or even the council would be libel. The law does not cover public open spaces and as such no law is being broken - but if you are trying to suggest that if a law in=s committed anywhere outside then its the councils fault - firstly it depends on what law is broken and secondly its down to the cps. If you said it for arguments sake then it is just far to ambiguous to justify your statement and is basically a non-starter.
Chris N Amos wrote:IF someone breaks the law in a public place are those that administer the running of the place responsible for their crime? I think not otherwise we would have Bolton Council being fined for peoples adverse behaviour on their premises.Tom Thumb wrote: Chris, This is a LIE. He has only been deemed to have broken the law, it remains an accusation. We do still have innocent until proven guilty in this country.People have been caught smoking in his pubs, and some openly admit to smoking in his pubs on here - ipso facto he has broke the law by not making people stub it out in his pubs - as the law (sorry to say this word but it is true for every law in every country on this planet) dictates!
A prosecuting authority which allows breaches of the law on a daily basis does not have the moral authority to prosecute a dissenting landlord.
lets have it right, darwen says...
7:46pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Chris N Amos, Sharples says...
7:56pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tim Clarke wrote:an alleyway is only built up on 2 sides so that argument does not comply with the law as it stands - an enclosed place is 4 sided - hence reason that smoking shelters only have 3 sides!!! Again know the law properly before even trying to use examples like that!!!
Chris N Amos wrote:What about someone smoking in a substantially enclosed alley way - is that not the fault of the local authority for 1) allowing the alley way to be substantially enclosed and 2) not stopping the person smoking there? A prosecuting authority which allows breaches of the law on a daily basis does not have the moral authority to prosecute a dissenting landlord.Tom Thumb wrote:The law covers public buildings so in the case of building the building management whether a manger, landlord or even the council would be libel. The law does not cover public open spaces and as such no law is being broken - but if you are trying to suggest that if a law in=s committed anywhere outside then its the councils fault - firstly it depends on what law is broken and secondly its down to the cps. If you said it for arguments sake then it is just far to ambiguous to justify your statement and is basically a non-starter.Chris N Amos wrote:IF someone breaks the law in a public place are those that administer the running of the place responsible for their crime? I think not otherwise we would have Bolton Council being fined for peoples adverse behaviour on their premises.Tom Thumb wrote: Chris, This is a LIE. He has only been deemed to have broken the law, it remains an accusation. We do still have innocent until proven guilty in this country.People have been caught smoking in his pubs, and some openly admit to smoking in his pubs on here - ipso facto he has broke the law by not making people stub it out in his pubs - as the law (sorry to say this word but it is true for every law in every country on this planet) dictates!
DaveA, London says...
7:59pm Thu 27 Sep 07
What is tranny for scedenfreude?
DaveA, London says...
8:08pm Thu 27 Sep 07
chas, suffolk says...
8:16pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tim Clarke, Wigan says...
8:27pm Thu 27 Sep 07
chas wrote:Indeed - and there are alleyways which do not comply.
Substantially enclosed means more than 50% enclosed.
Phil Williams, Norfolk says...
8:32pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Show this bullying council that sides with property fraudsters over honest business men where to go. Congratulations on todays victory and the bigger victory to come.
chas, suffolk says...
8:34pm Thu 27 Sep 07
If it is a covered walkway, it is likely to be more than 50%.
boris, west sussex says...
8:43pm Thu 27 Sep 07
With dresses all stubby and brown
And the other humans said in so many words
Get out of town
Get out, get out, get out of town
And he went with a quack and a waddle and a quack
In a flurry of eiderdown
That poor little ugly Erica
Went wandering far and near
But at every place they said to his face
Now get out, get out, get out of here
And he went with a quack and a waddle and a quack
And a very unhappy tear
All through the wintertime he hid himself away
Ashamed to show his face, afraid of what others might say
All through the winter in his lonely clump of wheat
Till a flock of Trannys spied him there and very soon agreed
Youre a very fine tranny indeed!
A tranny? Me a tranny? Ah, go on!
And he said yes, youre a tranny
Take a look at yourself in the lake and youll see
And he looked, and he saw, and he said
I am a tranny! Wheeeeeeee!
Im not such an ugly Erica
No dresses all stubby and brown
For in fact these trannys in so many words said
The best in town, the best, the best
The best in town
Not a quack, not a quack, not a waddle or a quack
But a glide and a whistle and a snowy white back
And a head so noble and high
Say whos an ugly Erica?
Not I!
Not I!
lets have it right, darwen says...
8:57pm Thu 27 Sep 07
cow-head, westhoughton says...
9:02pm Thu 27 Sep 07
King Eric, ......... says...
9:18pm Thu 27 Sep 07
It may disappoint you people but the fact this guy is the licensee of two bars in Bolton is neither here or there.I don't care how many pubs he is the licensee of, I don't care if smoking is not allowed in the other pubs (Chorley) he is involved in, I don't care about dirty little bars that (you're quite right) I don't frequent.
It's all irrelevant.
What will happen is that whoever is the licensee of these bars wil have to comply with the law, either now or after the court case.
What could happen, which won't be nice, is that eventually council enforcement officers, acting with police back up, will issue fines to individual smokers.
Again, I don't care. If you want to prove a point etc light up (in the dirty bar) refuse to pay etc.
After he goes to Court you will have to obey the law.
The one person I do care for is Tom Thumb's daughter. He tells us, true or false ? , that she was touched in an appropriate manner by a member of Nick Hogan's staff. How does the father react ? He applauds Nick Hogan to score points off an internet poster - me.
Sad.
We all have different priorities.
King Eric, ......... says...
9:21pm Thu 27 Sep 07
The one person I do care for is Tom Thumb's daughter. He tells us, true or false ? , that she was touched in an inappropriate manner by a member of Nick Hogan's staff.
boris, west sussex says...
9:51pm Thu 27 Sep 07
You never give up. Now your trying to accuse Nick Hogan of brutality.
King Eric, ......... says...
9:59pm Thu 27 Sep 07
A guy called Tom Thumb said that his daughter had been touched in an inappropriate manner by one of Hogan;s staff.
I do not believe that in anyway.
The girl must have been mistaken as any proper father would have taken action against the (alleged) perpretrator ?
I don't know, she may have had a few drinks and been mistaken...who knows ?
Still Tom Thumb can't have been that bothered about the incident :
"But following a letter from Mr Hogan's solicitor, the council have reversed their decision and he has now been reinstated as landlord."
In other words they were in the WRONG.
Brilliant news for democracy.
Not great news for little Ms Tom Thumb
Ray Willis, Birmingham says...
10:17pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Cat, manchester says...
10:22pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Yes Nick, you are. This is excellent news, well done.
JoePublic, Bolton says...
10:38pm Thu 27 Sep 07
JoePublic, Bolton says...
10:39pm Thu 27 Sep 07
JoePublic, Bolton says...
10:42pm Thu 27 Sep 07
melody shaw, bolton says...
10:54pm Thu 27 Sep 07
melody shaw, bolton says...
10:54pm Thu 27 Sep 07
mercy, bolton says...
11:22pm Thu 27 Sep 07
JoePublic wrote:did it take you 3 identical messages to get your point across?
I wonder if the guy who owns the building has changed the locks back.
mercy, bolton says...
11:25pm Thu 27 Sep 07
boris wrote:a bit tasteless - isnt it? Honesty you lot are like a pack of wolves - and judging from your address- youre not even local
There once was an ugly Erica With dresses all stubby and brown And the other humans said in so many words Get out of town Get out, get out, get out of town And he went with a quack and a waddle and a quack In a flurry of eiderdown That poor little ugly Erica Went wandering far and near But at every place they said to his face Now get out, get out, get out of here And he went with a quack and a waddle and a quack And a very unhappy tear All through the wintertime he hid himself away Ashamed to show his face, afraid of what others might say All through the winter in his lonely clump of wheat Till a flock of Trannys spied him there and very soon agreed Youre a very fine tranny indeed! A tranny? Me a tranny? Ah, go on! And he said yes, youre a tranny Take a look at yourself in the lake and youll see And he looked, and he saw, and he said I am a tranny! Wheeeeeeee! Im not such an ugly Erica No dresses all stubby and brown For in fact these trannys in so many words said The best in town, the best, the best The best in town Not a quack, not a quack, not a waddle or a quack But a glide and a whistle and a snowy white back And a head so noble and high Say whos an ugly Erica? Not I! Not I!
boris, west sussex says...
11:26pm Thu 27 Sep 07
boris, west sussex says...
11:28pm Thu 27 Sep 07
boris, west sussex says...
11:32pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Tasteless, try this
The one person I do care for is Tom Thumb's daughter. He tells us, true or false ? , that she was touched in an inappropriate manner by a member of Nick Hogan's staff
That is an Erica post, no longer talking about the smoking ban, but insinuating.
DaveA, London says...
12:05am Fri 28 Sep 07
What is tranny for scedenfreude?
Derek Launch, London says...
12:13am Fri 28 Sep 07
an alleyway is only built up on 2 sides so that argument does not comply with the law as it stands - an enclosed place is 4 sided - hence reason that smoking shelters only have 3 sides!!! Again know the law properly before even trying to use examples like that!!!
Errr ... No, you are wrong. It's quite funny that you are telling others to 'know the law' when you quite obviously don't.
Bus stops with three sides and a roof are 'enclosed spaces under the law. Check it out.
This law is idiotic already without idiots like you that don't understand it quoting it's idiotic rulings wrongly.
Go and read the law again & come back when you contribute with an educated response.
Good grief!
Tom Thumb, Louisa Street says...
5:48pm Thu 27 Sep 07
..................
King Eric