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Landlords rubbish smoke ban survey
9:10am Monday 29th October 2007
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A SURVEY which claims the majority of pub bosses do not want the smoking ban to be overturned has been rubbished by landlords in Bolton.
Research by drink firm, Britvic and trade magazine, The Publican, shows 73 per cent of people surveyed said they would not back moves to reverse the controversial law.
But the findings was last night questioned by Bolton pub chiefs.
John Jewitt, landlord of The Man of Scythe in Churchgate, said: "I am amazed at the survey and I would like to see the finer details of it.
"Pubs in towns in the north of England like Bolton, which are not in the town centres, are having a rough time of it. It is affecting the level of trade.
"Personally I would not like to see the ban overturned, but I am lucky, I am in the town centre and have a beer garden. But I can't see the majority of landlords having this stance."
Chris Hayes, landlord of The Howcroft Inn in Pool Street, Bolton, said the ban had seen trade drop - despite the pub having a smoking shelter.
He said: "I disagree with the findings. This is a traditional pub, not like the bigger chain pubs and pubs which are really restaurants. Trade has fallen dramatically and the traditional pub atmosphere has gone."
Carol Bretherton, the manageress of the Ainsworth Arms in Halliwell said it was too early to say whether the smoking ban should be overturned.
She said: "Because of the mild weather smokers have gone outside and trade has been the same. We will know more once the cold weather starts."
The Publican editor Caroline Nodder said some pubs had attracted more customers, sold more soft drinks and more food because of the smoking ban.
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chas, suffolk says...
9:25am Mon 29 Oct 07
Tubby Scruff, Alderley Edge says...
9:49am Mon 29 Oct 07
sold more soft drinks
A survey done by a soft drinks company..The Government couldn't have commissioned a more biased survey !
Laughable to think people will believe this !
Andrew, Bury says...
9:59am Mon 29 Oct 07
cow-head, westhoughton says...
10:01am Mon 29 Oct 07
smoking in their pubs again or:
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I don't think that the result would ever be in doubt, but sadly this will never happen.
cow-head, westhoughton says...
10:02am Mon 29 Oct 07
The Publican editor Caroline Nodder said some pubs had attracted more customers, sold more soft drinks and more food because of the smoking ban.
chas, suffolk says...
10:04am Mon 29 Oct 07
JoePublic, Bolton says...
10:04am Mon 29 Oct 07
The majority of the people who smoke are less intelligent, less sophisticated and less well-off. As a town Bolton is poorer than most other towns in this country and if you took this site as a sample of the people of Bolton itself you would realise that intelligence and sophistication aren't exactly the strong points of the majority of Bolton's inhabitants.
So while I can see that overall, pub landlords in this country don't want the smoking ban to be revoked, here in Numptyville where the inhabitants are a decade or two behind in the notion that smoking in pubs does nobody any good, the smoking ban is seen as a bad idea.
Jethro Tull, Bolton says...
10:13am Mon 29 Oct 07
Your comments are classic Numpty material.
If brains were made of gunpowder, you wouldn't have enough to blow your cap off !
tosh, says...
10:16am Mon 29 Oct 07
The cigar smoking Roy Castle has a lot to answer for. He did smoke cigars, before anyone disputes this I once worked at the Queens theatre in Blackpool and I saw him smoke several cigars.
Tubby Scruff, Alderley Edge says...
10:30am Mon 29 Oct 07
Pre empts all the folks who will probably argue regarding he and passive smoking argument.
chas, suffolk says...
10:44am Mon 29 Oct 07
Roy thought that he could only get lung cancer from cigarette smoke and millions of us thought the same, at that time. We all know now that there are many causes of lung cancer.
p-jay, says...
11:06am Mon 29 Oct 07
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how trade in pubs has been affected.
Beware of taking a single event and attributing it to being the single cause of another event or effect.
There have been five (I think)interest rate rises this year and a person with an average mortgage is maybe around £100 per month worse off per month. Could it not be that also this may have had something to do with the drop in trade?
tosh, says...
11:22am Mon 29 Oct 07
chas wrote:As a cigar smoker Roy Castle was misguided in thinking that passive smoking gave rise to his lung cancer. Is that what you are saying? Prior to all the publicity surrounding Roys very public demise, passive smoking was unheard of. Now it is proported to be one of the reasons smoking in public has been banned. As you state there are many causes of lung cancer. It has still not been proven that second hand smoke is a major cause of lung cancer. Yet a draconion law is now in place on the back of this misinformation. No body has told me that if this were a law that is so neccessary now, why we didn't have a greater number of non smoking pubs( by brewery or landlords choice) for years(if the demand now is so great)
Tosh Roy thought that he could only get lung cancer from cigarette smoke and millions of us thought the same, at that time. We all know now that there are many causes of lung cancer.
Jethro Tull, Bolton says...
11:33am Mon 29 Oct 07
p-jay wrote:How many interest rate rises since July 1st ?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how trade in pubs has been affected.Beware of taking a single event and attributing it to being the single cause of another event or effect. There have been five (I think)interest rate rises this year and a person with an average mortgage is maybe around £100 per month worse off per month. Could it not be that also this may have had something to do with the drop in trade?
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
11:34am Mon 29 Oct 07
tosh wrote:although it has not been proven that it causes cancer, it has also not been proven that it doesn't.
chas wrote: Tosh Roy thought that he could only get lung cancer from cigarette smoke and millions of us thought the same, at that time. We all know now that there are many causes of lung cancer.As a cigar smoker Roy Castle was misguided in thinking that passive smoking gave rise to his lung cancer. Is that what you are saying? Prior to all the publicity surrounding Roys very public demise, passive smoking was unheard of. Now it is proported to be one of the reasons smoking in public has been banned. As you state there are many causes of lung cancer. It has still not been proven that second hand smoke is a major cause of lung cancer. Yet a draconion law is now in place on the back of this misinformation. No body has told me that if this were a law that is so neccessary now, why we didn't have a greater number of non smoking pubs( by brewery or landlords choice) for years(if the demand now is so great)
As the old saying goes, better safe than sorry.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
11:35am Mon 29 Oct 07
chas, suffolk says...
11:37am Mon 29 Oct 07
I agree with you. I saw Roy at the London Palladium when he was about 20 years old so know that he only spent a few years in jazz clubs. There are many jazz musicians who have sent nearly all there lives in jazz clubs and are still performing today at the age of 80.
chas, suffolk says...
11:44am Mon 29 Oct 07
If it has not been proven that passive smoking causes lung cancer, why bring in a smoking ban? No autopsy was carried out on Roy before his death, passive smoking was purely based on his belief.
James, London says...
11:50am Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
11:53am Mon 29 Oct 07
chas wrote:Chas, but it hasn't been proven it doesn't, surely it's better this way?
Gazz If it has not been proven that passive smoking causes lung cancer, why bring in a smoking ban? No autopsy was carried out on Roy before his death, passive smoking was purely based on his belief.
Better safe than sorry.
Eg, we do not know that passive smoke causes cancer, but we do know that no smoke definately does not cause cancer.
So until we know for certain whether it does or does not, then a ban in public places in implemented.
even you should agree with this one chas
chas, suffolk says...
12:00pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Eg, we do not know that passive smoke causes cancer, but we do know that no smoke definately does not cause cancer.This sounds a bit Irish or are you saying that we should ban everything, as anything can cause cancer. Better safe than sorry.
derby0543, bury says...
12:05pm Mon 29 Oct 07
he died at 24.
chas, suffolk says...
12:13pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
12:13pm Mon 29 Oct 07
chas wrote:No, but passive smoking has been heavily linked to the cause of lung cancer.
Eg, we do not know that passive smoke causes cancer, but we do know that no smoke definately does not cause cancer.This sounds a bit Irish or are you saying that we should ban everything, as anything can cause cancer. Better safe than sorry.
There isn't many other things in public places that are strongly linked to causing cancer is there?
chas, suffolk says...
12:20pm Mon 29 Oct 07
No, but passive smoking has been heavily linked to the cause of lung cancerBy ASH, yes
chas, suffolk says...
12:25pm Mon 29 Oct 07
kerry, says...
12:33pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:its not proven
chas wrote:No, but passive smoking has been heavily linked to the cause of lung cancer.
Eg, we do not know that passive smoke causes cancer, but we do know that no smoke definately does not cause cancer.This sounds a bit Irish or are you saying that we should ban everything, as anything can cause cancer. Better safe than sorry.
There isn't many other things in public places that are strongly linked to causing cancer is there?
what about exhaust fumes . incinerators , they are too though to be dangerous
i got so tired of going out for a cigarette on friday night hat i went home
its not rocket science let landlords apply for a smoking licence if they want to
kieanders, bolton says...
12:36pm Mon 29 Oct 07
chas, suffolk says...
12:37pm Mon 29 Oct 07
RW, says...
1:04pm Mon 29 Oct 07
King Eric, ......... says...
1:13pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Posted by: derby0543, bury on 12:05pm today
It depends on the persons constitution I had a uncle that smoked 60 Capstan full strength and drank 15 pints a night all his life.
he died at 24.
Class
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
1:16pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Chas, asbestos has been linked and since this there has been plans in place to remove it and to get it replaced whenever possible.
Kerry, exhaust fumes, incinerators etc you do not get in enclosed public spaces do you?
Jethro Tull, Bolton says...
1:27pm Mon 29 Oct 07
So when a pub, or other public place has it's windows open, the car exhaust fumes stop outside, and do not enter the premises unless invited ? Jeeezzz, I didn't know this. Thanks for your enlightenment Gaz_ball.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
1:30pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Jethro Tull wrote:Typical smokers argument.
Kerry, exhaust fumes, incinerators etc you do not get in enclosed public spaces do you? So when a pub, or other public place has it's windows open, the car exhaust fumes stop outside, and do not enter the premises unless invited ? Jeeezzz, I didn't know this. Thanks for your enlightenment Gaz_ball.
feeble.
Now you are just making yourself look foolish.
tosh, says...
1:30pm Mon 29 Oct 07
chas wrote:I was privileged to see the fabulous drummer Eric Delaney perform last weekend in Horwich, this man is eighty three years old and after performing in clubs for seventy years is still an extreamly spritely man and a wonderful performer. Passive smoking does him no harm.
Tosh I agree with you. I saw Roy at the London Palladium when he was about 20 years old so know that he only spent a few years in jazz clubs. There are many jazz musicians who have sent nearly all there lives in jazz clubs and are still performing today at the age of 80.
On a slightly different subject, since smoking on aircraft was banned (to save fuel ) the air in the cabin is only recirculated. When smoking was allowed on flights the cabin air was changed every 3 to 6 minutes. Ever wonder why you seem to come back off holiday with a stinking cold?
Jethro Tull, Bolton says...
1:34pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Shot down in flames comes to mind !!!
tosh, says...
1:37pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Jethro Tull wrote:Here Here. Should be "Gazz Ball super moron"
Gazz_ball - I can feel your embarrassment!!!!!!! Shot down in flames comes to mind !!!
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
1:38pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Jethro Tull wrote:What draws you to that conclusion?
Gazz_ball - I can feel your embarrassment!!!!!!! Shot down in flames comes to mind !!!
Shot down in flames because you made a ridiculous comment about car fumes coming in through pub windows. Exactly what was the point you were making?
The car fumes are not concentrated inside like cig smoke was.
Hardly an argument is it?
The only thing i am embarrassed about is your childishness
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
1:40pm Mon 29 Oct 07
tosh wrote:The smokers start losing their argument so resort to insults and childish comments.
Jethro Tull wrote: Gazz_ball - I can feel your embarrassment!!!!!!! Shot down in flames comes to mind !!!Here Here. Should be "Gazz Ball super moron"
Very good, super moron? did you come up with that one yourself, genius, absolute genius. I bet your parents are really proud.
tosh, says...
1:41pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:I am a non smoker!!
tosh wrote:The smokers start losing their argument so resort to insults and childish comments. Very good, super moron? did you come up with that one yourself, genius, absolute genius. I bet your parents are really proud.Jethro Tull wrote: Gazz_ball - I can feel your embarrassment!!!!!!! Shot down in flames comes to mind !!!Here Here. Should be "Gazz Ball super moron"
tosh, says...
1:44pm Mon 29 Oct 07
tosh wrote:My parents are both dead, both non smokers both died in their early seventies.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:I am a non smoker!!tosh wrote:The smokers start losing their argument so resort to insults and childish comments. Very good, super moron? did you come up with that one yourself, genius, absolute genius. I bet your parents are really proud.Jethro Tull wrote: Gazz_ball - I can feel your embarrassment!!!!!!! Shot down in flames comes to mind !!!Here Here. Should be "Gazz Ball super moron"
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
1:50pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Cue over-reaction abuse on above comment. It's funny how everytime a smoking thread comes along and you try to have a debate, someone will always result in an insult.
King Eric, ......... says...
1:55pm Mon 29 Oct 07
tosh, probably both killed themselves after realising the spawned a retard.
Shouldn't laugh but...... (chuckle)
RW, says...
1:55pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
1:58pm Mon 29 Oct 07
RW wrote:What, tar? nicotine?
The whole thing is a load of nonsense dreamed up by an American pressure group led by an injury lawyer and sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, and our government fell for it.Woodsmoke has the same ingredients so enjoy your bonfires while you can.
RW, says...
2:04pm Mon 29 Oct 07
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gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:07pm Mon 29 Oct 07
RW wrote:Smoking is not banned outside of public places.
The whole thing is a load of nonsense dreamed up by an American pressure group led by an injury lawyer and sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, and our government fell for it.Woodsmoke has the same ingredients so enjoy your bonfires while you can.
When was the last time you went to a bonfire that was in an enclosed public space?
Your arguments have no substance or verity.
Just petty arguments thrown in to try and disguise your lack of intelligence.
Jethro Tull, Bolton says...
2:09pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Gazz_ball - this was the idiotic comment! I of course responded to it with the contempt it deserved. Talk about spawning retards ! This even beats some of King Eric's retarded comments.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:12pm Mon 29 Oct 07
I have to ask you though, is this the first time you have realised that bonfires can damage your health?
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:18pm Mon 29 Oct 07
I have to ask which local it is you visit where you have car exhaust and incinerator fumes.
It pains me to know that there are people out there that are beyond comprehension.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:24pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Jethro Tull wrote:Jethro, i have a 9 yr old nephew who would of understood the point I was making with this comment.
Kerry, exhaust fumes, incinerators etc you do not get in enclosed public spaces do you? Gazz_ball - this was the idiotic comment! I of course responded to it with the contempt it deserved. Talk about spawning retards ! This even beats some of King Eric's retarded comments.
Unfortunately there is not a facilty on this site where we can draw pictures to get out point across to facilitate people who are intellectually deprived such as yourself.
I'm sure you have a great smile though.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:25pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Typo, before the pettiness starts.
tosh, says...
2:26pm Mon 29 Oct 07
No my Dad died of a heart attack and my dear old Mum died of leukaemia. I am not a retard ( the use of this word proves you are an ignorant moron. ) As for Erics "chuckle", well anybody who reads his posts will be left in no doubt about his flawed personality.
RW, says...
2:31pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:33pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Quite frankly your name sums you up, or at least as to what i think of you.
I thought i would offer my opinion on this matter and you completely ignore the point i was making and turn it around like a child would.
I am not sorry for the comments i made and i couldn't care less how they went or how you feel.
As the saying goes, you reap what you sow.
tosh, says...
2:35pm Mon 29 Oct 07
RW wrote:Americans, what do they know?
Smoking is now being banned in public parks and pubs also have log fires, as we know a good oldfashioned chimney is no longer enough, in fact the same Americans are saying it would take hurricane force winds to remove tobacco smoke from a pub.
tosh, says...
2:36pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:I hope your eyes drop out! childish enough for you you moron!
Tosh, the moment you insulted me by calling me a moron was the second I lost all respect for your good self, along with any compassion or consideration. Quite frankly your name sums you up, or at least as to what i think of you. I thought i would offer my opinion on this matter and you completely ignore the point i was making and turn it around like a child would. I am not sorry for the comments i made and i couldn't care less how they went or how you feel. As the saying goes, you reap what you sow.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:37pm Mon 29 Oct 07
RW wrote:OK, now your facts may be correct, but think logically, when did you see a smokey environment caused by a little old log fire in a pub.
Smoking is now being banned in public parks and pubs also have log fires, as we know a good oldfashioned chimney is no longer enough, in fact the same Americans are saying it would take hurricane force winds to remove tobacco smoke from a pub.
Would be a shame to get rid of these though. I respect your argument though and can see where you are coming from with this one
RW, says...
2:40pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:42pm Mon 29 Oct 07
tosh wrote:yes, very good, although i only have one eye, you see, i am a pirate, so you may have to rephrase your insult.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote: Tosh, the moment you insulted me by calling me a moron was the second I lost all respect for your good self, along with any compassion or consideration. Quite frankly your name sums you up, or at least as to what i think of you. I thought i would offer my opinion on this matter and you completely ignore the point i was making and turn it around like a child would. I am not sorry for the comments i made and i couldn't care less how they went or how you feel. As the saying goes, you reap what you sow.I hope your eyes drop out! childish enough for you you moron!
Shiver me timbers!
tosh, says...
2:43pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:I hope your EYE drops out!!!
tosh wrote:yes, very good, although i only have one eye, you see, i am a pirate, so you may have to rephrase your insult. Shiver me timbers!gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote: Tosh, the moment you insulted me by calling me a moron was the second I lost all respect for your good self, along with any compassion or consideration. Quite frankly your name sums you up, or at least as to what i think of you. I thought i would offer my opinion on this matter and you completely ignore the point i was making and turn it around like a child would. I am not sorry for the comments i made and i couldn't care less how they went or how you feel. As the saying goes, you reap what you sow.I hope your eyes drop out! childish enough for you you moron!
RW, says...
2:43pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Jethro Tull, Bolton says...
3:07pm Mon 29 Oct 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:Gazz_ball - it seems to me, that you are blinded by your own egotistical perceptions that, a)you are knowledgable, and b) that you have debating ability. You of course posess neither, so please give me a shout when you come out of your hypnotic trance, and perhaps, we can then have a discussion.
Jethro, you do not get a concentrated amount of exhaust fumes, or incinerator fumes for that matter in enclosed public spaces do you? I have to ask which local it is you visit where you have car exhaust and incinerator fumes. It pains me to know that there are people out there that are beyond comprehension.
Do you seriously think that car exhaust fumes can not enter any establishment that has their windows open ????? The mind boggles.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
3:21pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Jethro Tull wrote:Oh My God!
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote: Jethro, you do not get a concentrated amount of exhaust fumes, or incinerator fumes for that matter in enclosed public spaces do you? I have to ask which local it is you visit where you have car exhaust and incinerator fumes. It pains me to know that there are people out there that are beyond comprehension.Gazz_ball - it seems to me, that you are blinded by your own egotistical perceptions that, a)you are knowledgable, and b) that you have debating ability. You of course posess neither, so please give me a shout when you come out of your hypnotic trance, and perhaps, we can then have a discussion. Do you seriously think that car exhaust fumes can not enter any establishment that has their windows open ????? The mind boggles.
Are they a concentrated amount that enter through windows? or are they not filtered through the great outdoors first?
And what about incinerators?
Jethro Tull, Bolton says...
9:14am Mon 29 Oct 07