Why is people's hero Nicked Hogan's Chorley pub non-smoking?

Because the man's a hyprocrite?

He'll be able to use the money from selling the lease to pay his HUGE fine he'll get in January.

Bye-bye Mr Hogan, Bolton will not miss you!

Bet he feels a prat now?

Too right! Pity it sounds like he got a good price and hopes he donates some of it for the court time he has taken and is taking up!

RagReader wrote:
Why is people's hero Nicked Hogan's Chorley pub non-smoking?

Think his wife runs that place.

Paul Kilie? Who he?
Paul Kiely of the notorious Kiely brothers fame surely...

Goodbye, tosser.

Sick and tired of this pathetic nanny state, and sick and tired of the cr*p this Govt throws at us, Nick has left the country, just like 200,000 others did last year. Good luck to him. At least he did make a stand for a while, whereas the majority of sycophants in this country just lie back and take it without complaint. What have we come to ?

Jethro Tull wrote:
Sick and tired of this pathetic nanny state, and sick and tired of the cr*p this Govt throws at us, Nick has left the country, just like 200,000 others did last year. Good luck to him. At least he did make a stand for a while, whereas the majority of sycophants in this country just lie back and take it without complaint. What have we come to ?

That's a bit rich, coming from somebody who was impressed by the last BNP manifesto.

JoePublic - have you read the BNP manifesto ? I wouldnt vote for BNP, but their manifesto oozes common sense.

souds like they are in power now.
Because it sure looks to me we are heading that way.I agree with you on this one joe public but i cant see any of the three we ahve now making any difference sadly

authoritarian, jack-booted neo-Nazi nightmare.
Thanks largely to the EU, we are already heading vigourously in that direction. You should also then read the Civil Contingencies Bill, which was introduced by this pox ridden Govt. It is truly a boring read, but you will see precisely what is happening to our civil liberties behind the scenes. This Bill, which was kept very quiet by Govt, Press, and Media, is an utter disgrace to this country, and all that we have stood for historically. In the context of what this Govt are doing, the BNP look like a nancy boy organisation.

Gee jethro you have just spoilt my weekend.
I know its bad but bloody hell i did not think it was that bad.
Do you think i should sell and join the landlord from the swan in spain.
At least there the sun shines most of the time ????

We could start our own ex patts circle
any of you up for it.
Spend our nights in a tapas bar putting the world to right

Sorry to upset you Don. Enjoy the weekend.

Jethro Tull wrote:
Sick and tired of this pathetic nanny state, and sick and tired of the cr*p this Govt throws at us, Nick has left the country, just like 200,000 others did last year. Good luck to him. At least he did make a stand for a while, whereas the majority of sycophants in this country just lie back and take it without complaint. What have we come to ?

Mr Tull, No Its not good luck to him at all, You have no idea of the behind the behind the scenes situations that have involved Mr Hogan, Let me just let you into a little secret before you stand there and defend a guy, that when his staff where given 1 days notice yes 1 day that they wouldnt have a job tomorrow and bear in mind these people have mortgages to pay and families to pay, where was Mr Hogan, he was abroad on the **** with his mates, So good luck to him ehh, how would you like to lose your job with a days notice then find out your boss didnt give a ****.

Theres no good luck to him the whole smoking ban was a farse self publicity campaign, that from the start he knew he would lose however he wanted to make himself the voice of the people, when actually no one gave a **** and just got on with the smoking ban, and like that other fool Hamish thats his now buisness partner is going to find out where did it get them, answer no where, Hamish is a bankrupt now because of it and Nick already been a Banrupt twice and owes money all over the place, and the undisclosed fee let me tell you straight for a fact he didnt get anything near he wanted, the fee he got wont even cover the solicitors bills hes totted up nor the fines he will receive in January.

So before you stand up for the guy why dont you actually check his history out first...... and i guarantee you will change your mind

Jethro Tull wrote:
authoritarian, jack-booted neo-Nazi nightmare. Thanks largely to the EU, we are already heading vigourously in that direction. You should also then read the Civil Contingencies Bill, which was introduced by this pox ridden Govt. It is truly a boring read, but you will see precisely what is happening to our civil liberties behind the scenes. This Bill, which was kept very quiet by Govt, Press, and Media, is an utter disgrace to this country, and all that we have stood for historically. In the context of what this Govt are doing, the BNP look like a nancy boy organisation.

It is not thanks to the EU. Do you see the other countries in the EU in the same light as the UK. In fact the EU member states (except UK) are actually more freer than the UK - less cameras, more friendlier police forces and overall a more relaxed lifestyle. What has happened in the UK is solely down to the various UK governments since the 1960's (the common market - now called the EU did not come to Briton until 1970!!!!!).

Stop blaming the EU for everything. If the UK govt actually took some of the more decent laws of the EU then the UK would not be in the state as it is now - over worked, under paid, violent and very abusive society, where money rules and people are treated like robots - this is not the case in the rest of the EU.

The UK is more like the US in many ways and heading faster in that direction - that is the reality and it is a real poor reality if you look at it very carefully!!!!

Not being clever but a few of us realised what a scoundrel this guy is/was. The publicity was nothing to do with the 'freedom to choose' etc. Many, many people across the UK who defended him as a martyr must now hang their heads in shame.
Some of you were ignorant. Some of you were fools.
Most were a combination of both.

son of a bolton reader do you have as many scrotes in your country how many ilegals do you have.
But then again you have pot shops brothels ect all legal so you are sure to have less crime i agree our gov is shi-- but what do you think we should do we are willing to listen to you

Not surprised he's leaving, its a big thing standing up to a government.

Still, I'm grateful he tried.

The purge on alcohol has started, it doesn't affect me as I don't drink, but I'm not happy about it.

Not surprised he's leaving, its a big thing standing up to a government.

Still they don't get it.
The guy was a complete charlatan.
He relied on fools like you for his support.
Where's mad Boris and all the freedomtolosers now ?
Humiliated, defeated and defenceless.

Don't be mean Eric, I like reading your news paper, its much more fun than mine.

Anyway soon there won't be many pubs to go to if they get the 10% tax on alcohol so its all a bit academic

Son of Bolton Reader wrote:

Jethro Tull wrote: authoritarian, jack-booted neo-Nazi nightmare. Thanks largely to the EU, we are already heading vigourously in that direction. You should also then read the Civil Contingencies Bill, which was introduced by this pox ridden Govt. It is truly a boring read, but you will see precisely what is happening to our civil liberties behind the scenes. This Bill, which was kept very quiet by Govt, Press, and Media, is an utter disgrace to this country, and all that we have stood for historically. In the context of what this Govt are doing, the BNP look like a nancy boy organisation.

It is not thanks to the EU. Do you see the other countries in the EU in the same light as the UK. In fact the EU member states (except UK) are actually more freer than the UK - less cameras, more friendlier police forces and overall a more relaxed lifestyle. What has happened in the UK is solely down to the various UK governments since the 1960's (the common market - now called the EU did not come to Briton until 1970!!!!!). Stop blaming the EU for everything. If the UK govt actually took some of the more decent laws of the EU then the UK would not be in the state as it is now - over worked, under paid, violent and very abusive society, where money rules and people are treated like robots - this is not the case in the rest of the EU. The UK is more like the US in many ways and heading faster in that direction - that is the reality and it is a real poor reality if you look at it very carefully!!!!

http://europa.eu/ind
ex_en.htm
Suggest you read some of the cr*p on this website. Funny, how many Europeans laugh at the EU laws, and call them 'the British Laws' - because we are the only fools who adhere to them all.

P45 Bolton, bankrupt twice? yes but that would be in his name not to mention others that he's took down that slippery path to ruin and as for paying the fine, that wont happen either.
King Eric you ask wheres Boris I think you will find that he only comes on these pages to slag people off as people with a vacuous mind, such as he and his ilk struggle to have any input of their own.

Like when the EU said there were too many apples being produced and we grubbed up our ancient orchards and nobody else did.

hopefully now the tossers sorry doorMEN.joke,will get scrapped too?.WONT LET SOBER PEOPLE IN.U HAVE MORE CHANCE IF U DONT SPK ENGLISH AND STEAMERS!!!!!

don060541 wrote:
son of a bolton reader do you have as many scrotes in your country how many ilegals do you have. But then again you have pot shops brothels ect all legal so you are sure to have less crime i agree our gov is shi-- but what do you think we should do we are willing to listen to you

For your information Netherlands, just like the UK is overun with immigrants from the "New" EU Eastern European partners and many illegals from further afield (mainly all the old Dutch territories and there are many contrary to all the urban myths!!).

Netherlands, like the UK, as to adhere to the policies coming from Brussels but it is down to each individual state parliaments/governme
nt as to how these policies are interpreted. With the K, just like the US, it is based on many fsiacl attributes that do not do any favour for the citizens of the country and as such makes the country a target for citizens from other countries as all they see on their TV are money rich Britons living the so-called Free Lifestyle and as such they want a peice of it. this has been created by the interpretation of the EU policies (not laws!!!) and remember all the opt-out clauses that EVERY EU partner has (and not just the UK and always openly publicised in the British press). Why does the UK opt out more than any other country, why are the other EU countries more safer and relaxer to live in? why are the British the most overworked and underpaid. Think about what the British government has done with their interpretation of the EU policies.

Pot shops are far the messed up and those who have nothing to live far. Prostitution, I feel, it fantastically well handled in Netherlands and its a model that has been copied in Belgium, Austria, Germany and a couple of the new EU partners - so why shouldn't work in the UK - except for Victorian values which count for nothing in today's world.

The British gvt viewpoint is far to American in its attitude and actions - the sooner we follow more closer to Europe - or dare I say it LEAD Europe into the future the better and the safer we will be. Draconian ideas, such as those of the US do not work. The new more liberal (with small l) do seem to apparently work so why not try them out in the UK and one and all could be pleasantly surprised.

Also the Gvft has to stop listening to the CBI - they do too much damage to the British citizens as they are only bothered about company directors, shareholders and making as much money as possible whilst overworking the workers to try to keep costs down - a false economy due to all the long-term ilnneses which is not half as bad over here as it is in the UK - why is that?????

For your information Netherlands, just like the UK is overun with immigrants

Err so you are not an immigrant ?

Why everytime do people get off the topic and turn these pages into a huge debate that has nothing to do with the topic in hand, I wouldnt mind but the topic up for discussion is re Nick Hogan thats why we are on this page, however people seem to want to tell us all how incorrect we are on EU policies when actually its got nothing to do with the topic, shut up your boring us with the same drivel every day.

The short of it is that fools that defended this idiot havent a clue what happened behind closed doors and now several people have lost their jobs and also several buisnesses that supplied services to Mr Hogan will have gone un paid, yet fools on here think lets praise him......grow up

P45AGAIN wrote:
Why everytime do people get off the topic and turn these pages into a huge debate that has nothing to do with the topic in hand, I wouldnt mind but the topic up for discussion is re Nick Hogan thats why we are on this page, however people seem to want to tell us all how incorrect we are on EU policies when actually its got nothing to do with the topic, shut up your boring us with the same drivel every day. The short of it is that fools that defended this idiot havent a clue what happened behind closed doors and now several people have lost their jobs and also several buisnesses that supplied services to Mr Hogan will have gone un paid, yet fools on here think lets praise him......grow up

I totally agree with you. Whatever the subject is the end result is usually gassing on about the same on thing (generally racial) everytime.

I get the impression that Nick Hogan is not a very nice fellow, but I do agree with people protesting against the stupid smoking ban. Unfortunately, pub landlords cannot encourage their customers to smoke, because they get severely punished. Many pop groups, mainly old rockers and punk bands, do protest on stage, they do not get severely punished and they can afford to pay any fines. The Sex Pistols, recently, smoked on stage and asked the audience why they were not smoking. At the end end of the day we should protest against the stupid law, but not break the law.

Unfortunately for a lot of publicans, they are not in a position to leave the country and find a better life elsewhere like Mr Hogan. When their businesses fold and many jobs are lost, who will champion them? No one, I suppose, so many people now believe that the law is the law and must be observed. Nick Hogan and others, by challenging the blanket smoking ban, have highlighted how unreasonable it is to expect people to accept draconian measures in a passive manner. Those who applaud this legislation and belittle tobacco-smokers will not be laughing when their rights are taken away from them. I actually envy Mr Hogan and all those who are in a position to leave this country with its miserable, oppressive atmosphere and where anti-smokers are given carte blanche to bully and belittle their fellow human beings. Sir Winston Churchill smoked tobacco and he was a far finer, more decent person than any of these anti-smoking zealots can ever hope to be. Sadly Churchill and his ilk are no longer here to defend us. Chas from Suffolk is right - we should protest against the stupid law.

Jeez all we need now is Mad Boris and we've got the full freedomtolose Three Stooges.
The guy had no principles whatsoever, it was a publicity stunt. He is facing court on criminal charges. He has a mountain of debt. He has left his staff with no employment, despite their misguided loyalty to him.
Now he's going to Spain to work in the sort of bar decent people avoid at all costs.
You numpties from across the UK who bored us all to death with your homages to this clown, should go and find a proper cause to fight for.

Now he's going to Spain to work in the sort of bar decent people avoid at all costs

erica are you implying that you are decent? At least Spain will have tradional English pubs.

I don't go abroad to be served by people like Sulk Hogan and to drink in the company of wideboys,timeshare conmen, replica shirt wearing fat men and yokels from the Eastern Counties.

Of course, I forgot that you like to drink on your own. You ought to get out more.

Why do so many not see where all this is leading. It also is rather hypocritical of Bolton Licensees to criticise Nick's stance on smoking and then form an association aimed at defying the law on foreign satellites which until decided otherwise by the High Court are deemed to be illegal. But perhaps you all ought to remember how all this is about lies anyway.
Dear Sir,
You will be aware that Professor Jill Pill and her research team published a 'study' on the heart attack admissions following 10 months of the Scottish smoking ban. The contents of that study had never been released and given that it was publically funded, I wish to request of copy of it. MY reasons are quite simple, Professor Pill claimed a 17%reduction in MI admissions, which roundly questioned by objective observers world wide. Including by the world renowned Professor Michael Siegel, a staunch supporter of smoking bans. He described the research as Junk Science.

Since that time you will be aware the NHS Scotlands own statistics unit has published the official figures for hospital admissions and in short have shown that the reduction as indicated in Professor Pills research simply didn't happen. The following extract from a news report sums this up.
Blastland writes: "It was dramatic research that made headlines everywhere. A 17% fall in the number of heart attacks in the year since Scotland stubbed out smoking in public places. Startling - if true. Few questioned the research when it was revealed two months ago. ... Then a week ago, with rather less fanfare, routine statistics on hospital activity were published by the official source for health data in Scotland, as they are every year, this time including the time since the ban. These show a fall in heart attacks for the year from March 2006 - not of 17%, but less than half as much at about 8%. ... The percentage falls in the three years before the ban were 5.1%, 4.7% and 5.7%. ... The latest release also makes clear that even an 8% fall in heart attacks is not unprecedented. There was another, larger drop between 1999 and 2000 of about 11%. This seems to demonstrate significant variability around the trend, suggesting that last year's 8% drop might even be the result of chance. It is conceivable, although perhaps unlikely, that the smoking ban had no effect at all. The figures could be a result of no more than the ordinary ups and downs of statistical variation from one year to the next."

Needless to say there has been no comment from either the Scottish Executive, NHS, or Professor Pill that I have read. The public deserves an explanation as to why, as Professor Siegel says:
There are two important implications of this story.

First, it demonstrates that tobacco control science is quickly deteriorating into junk science. I believe that investigator bias is becoming so strong that it is leading to completely invalid study conclusions. The Helena study conclusions, and now the conclusions from Pueblo, Piedmont, Bowling Green, Scotland, and Ireland, have all been cast into doubt. An apparently strong bias is clouding the scientific rigor of the papers being produced in this area. It represents, in my view, a true and unfortunate deterioration of the scientific integrity within the tobacco control movement.

Second, this story demonstrates the dangers of the science by press release approach which has now become the standard for these smoking ban/heart attack studies. It shows precisely why it is not prudent to issue findings that have not been validated by a peer review process. Suppose that upon peer review (or in this case, simply upon release of more complete data), it turns out that the study findings are unwarranted and invalid. Are the researchers going to then issue a press release stating that they were wrong, that their conclusion was premature and invalid, and that all news articles that the public throughout the world read to the contrary should be disregarded?

I highly doubt it. I doubt that the researchers of the Scotland heart attack study are going to pull an Emily Litella <http://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Emily_Lite
lla> and issue a press release tomorrow saying: "Never mind."

The point is that the word is already out there. The conclusions have already been disseminated. It is too late to retract them now that they have been shown to be wrong.

In the light of the above and in the absence of an official retraction from Professor Pill or the SE, I wish to review the 'study' and to comment on it in the media, as we will no doubt be presented with a similar report for England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Robert Feal-Martinez
UKIP PPC Swindon South
www.freedom2choose.c
o.uk