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Amir's Union Flag 'sin' - Muslim cleric
9:22am Tuesday 25th March 2008
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Bolton boxer Amir Khan is setting a bad example to Muslims by wearing the Union Flag with pride, radical cleric Omar Bakri Mohammadit has been reported as saying.
"Amir Khan is not a good example for Muslims. He wears shorts with the Union Jack. That is a sin," he told The Sun newspaper.
"He should not be wearing the flag because sovereignty is for God. His only allegiance should be to the Prophet Mohammed.
"The ideal situation would be to have a Muslim team not registered to any state so he can represent the Islamic community."
The Commonwealth lightweight title-holder is draped with the Union Flag in photos on his official website and often wears shorts featuring the emblem.
The controversial preacher now lives in Lebanon after leaving north London in 2005.
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Sun Tzu, says...
9:33am Tue 25 Mar 08
However, I would think that even they can see that following the advice of this mad mullah, would in effect, alientate many of his British supporters and cast him as the bogeyman, when pitted against any non-Muslim opponent.
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
9:36am Tue 25 Mar 08
The self-styled radical cleric caused a media storm after the London bombings, declaring that the only people he blames for the London bombings are the government and British public.
Born Syria in 1958
Involved in Muslim Brotherhood
Travelled through Middle East
Established Al Muhajiroun
Sought asylum in the UK
"Disbanded" Al Muhajiroun in 2004
Suddenly left UK for Lebanon, August 2005
Send him back there if he is here.
Shut down that mosque on Blackburn road where his hatreds are preached.
chas, suffolk says...
9:39am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu, says...
9:43am Tue 25 Mar 08
I prefer the feigned retreat and then kapow! a fork in the eye.
chas, suffolk says...
9:44am Tue 25 Mar 08
Before throwing him out, shouldn't we give him a chance to swear his allegiance to the Queen and country?
Andrew, Bury says...
9:49am Tue 25 Mar 08
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
9:53am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:not sure, who do you think will?
Who do you think ios going to agree with this cleric?
Sun Tzu, says...
9:53am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:Probably just King Pric, in order to shift the debate onto himself.
Who do you think ios going to agree with this cleric?
chips otoole, monte carlo says...
9:55am Tue 25 Mar 08
Kick these clerics out of Britain.
The rantings of an alcoholic.
Sun Tzu, says...
9:56am Tue 25 Mar 08
chips otoole wrote:You prefer that they stay?
Kick these clerics out of Britain.
The rantings of an alcoholic.
chas, suffolk says...
9:56am Tue 25 Mar 08
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
9:58am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew, Bury says...
9:58am Tue 25 Mar 08
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:No-one. Which makes the earlier comments redundant.
Andrew wrote: Who do you think ios going to agree with this cleric?not sure, who do you think will?
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
9:59am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:People like you helped these nutters into Britain
Who do you think ios going to agree with this cleric?
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:00am Tue 25 Mar 08
chips otoole wrote:Those diet cola bubble really go to my head sometimes.
Kick these clerics out of Britain.
The rantings of an alcoholic.
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:01am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew, Bury says...
10:01am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:Nice try Ian.
Andrew wrote: Who do you think ios going to agree with this cleric?People like you helped these nutters into Britain
chips otoole, monte carlo says...
10:03am Tue 25 Mar 08
Why waste your time on these numbskulls ?
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:03am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu wrote:The otoole is Leroy. You know how he likes playing his part in amature dramatics.
Andrew wrote:Probably just King Pric, in order to shift the debate onto himself.
Who do you think ios going to agree with this cleric?
Sun Tzu, says...
10:04am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:Yeah, the NUT are really living up to their name.
And to think the national union of teachers want these people teaching our kids in school..
We should be kicking religion out of school completly rather than talking about more of it.
The only time religion should be raised in school is in a History lesson.
Andrew, Bury says...
10:04am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:Pardon? THe NUT wants to abolish faith schools and for comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc. Good to see you using the old BNP tactic of tarring all with the same brush. Of course you would use a BNP tactic being a BNP supporter who comes on here to promote BNP nonsense in an attempt to create hatred and division.
And to think the national union of teachers want these people teaching our kids in school..
When you see someone supporting this 'cleric' have a pop. But you haven't and most likely won't unless some clone triues to stir.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
10:04am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:04am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:Paul if you don't mind Leroy
RockyRereturns wrote:Nice try Ian.
Andrew wrote: Who do you think ios going to agree with this cleric?People like you helped these nutters into Britain
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:06am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:SO you would be ok with this cleric showing your kids how to make bombs?
RockyRereturns wrote:Pardon? THe NUT wants to abolish faith schools and for comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc. Good to see you using the old BNP tactic of tarring all with the same brush. Of course you would use a BNP tactic being a BNP supporter who comes on here to promote BNP nonsense in an attempt to create hatred and division.
And to think the national union of teachers want these people teaching our kids in school..
When you see someone supporting this 'cleric' have a pop. But you haven't and most likely won't unless some clone triues to stir.
Sun Tzu, says...
10:07am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote
comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc.
Are you in favour of this?
Andrew, Bury says...
10:08am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew, Bury says...
10:09am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu wrote:Yes. Understanding people's faith can't be a bad thing. I'd much prefer comparative RE to faith schools, regardless of faith.
Andrew wrote comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc.Are you in favour of this?
Sun Tzu, says...
10:09am Tue 25 Mar 08
Are you in favour or not?
Andrew, Bury says...
10:11am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu wrote:Ian's BNP support is pertinent given the malicious and stupid nature of his posting. No one is supporting this 'cleric' and yet he's off trying to suggest people do and equating all imams with this bloke. Not big. Not clever. To be expected.
Stop banging on about the BNP Andrew. Are you in favour or not?
chas, suffolk says...
10:11am Tue 25 Mar 08
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
10:11am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:11am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu wrote:NO. definateley not.
Andrew wrote
comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc.
Are you in favour of this?
Because Religious muslim schools WOULDN'T LET IN A CATHOLIC OR CHRISTIAN PRIEST.
So there would be no balance.
Were a 73% Christian country so where is the balance in that?
Andrew, Bury says...
10:12am Tue 25 Mar 08
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:Exactly.
I hardly think this cleric represents the majority, probably just better to ignore the clown.
Andrew, Bury says...
10:14am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:The NUT wants faith schools abolished. I did point this out earlier. So. No faith schools. Comparative RE taught in secular schools. You understand that.
Sun Tzu wrote:NO. definateley not. Because Religious muslim schools WOULDN'T LET IN A CATHOLIC OR CHRISTIAN PRIEST. So there would be no balance. Were a 73% Christian country so where is the balance in that?Andrew wrote comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc.Are you in favour of this?
Now, why not give the hobby horse a rest.
Is Amir's wearing of the flag a good or bad thing?
Andrew, Bury says...
10:14am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:The NUT wants faith schools abolished. I did point this out earlier. So. No faith schools. Comparative RE taught in secular schools. You understand that.
Sun Tzu wrote:NO. definateley not. Because Religious muslim schools WOULDN'T LET IN A CATHOLIC OR CHRISTIAN PRIEST. So there would be no balance. Were a 73% Christian country so where is the balance in that?Andrew wrote comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc.Are you in favour of this?
Now, why not give the hobby horse a rest.
Is Amir's wearing of the flag a good or bad thing?
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:15am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:Bet you thought I stood in Bury for Veritas as well didn't you?
Sun Tzu wrote:Ian's BNP support is pertinent given the malicious and stupid nature of his posting. No one is supporting this 'cleric' and yet he's off trying to suggest people do and equating all imams with this bloke. Not big. Not clever. To be expected.
Stop banging on about the BNP Andrew. Are you in favour or not?
What an Idiot.
Your BNP Andrew hobbyhoarse is like a dry sore throat.
No one can hear you properly and the shouting has left you voiceless.
Sun Tzu, says...
10:15am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:So where do we draw the line?
Sun Tzu wrote:Yes. Understanding people's faith can't be a bad thing. I'd much prefer comparative RE to faith schools, regardless of faith.
Andrew wrote comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc.Are you in favour of this?
Do we allow crackpot cults into schools? Because in your world of equality we will have to.
If my son decides he worships Iron Maiden does he get a lesson playing on his electric guitar?
It's a madmans charter to allow religions to preach in schools. Before you know it religion would be taking up more time than real subject and our education system would be in a bigger mess than it is now. Not to mention screwing up kids minds with conflicting messages.
Andrew, Bury says...
10:15am Tue 25 Mar 08
chas, suffolk says...
10:16am Tue 25 Mar 08
Imams are racists. Are they also members of the BNP?
Andrew, Bury says...
10:16am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu wrote:It's not preaching. It's comparative RE. Don't be so hysterical. Do you not think kids are taught about the world's major religions now?
Andrew wrote:So where do we draw the line? Do we allow crackpot cults into schools? Because in your world of equality we will have to. If my son decides he worships Iron Maiden does he get a lesson playing on his electric guitar? It's a madmans charter to allow religions to preach in schools. Before you know it religion would be taking up more time than real subject and our education system would be in a bigger mess than it is now. Not to mention screwing up kids minds with conflicting messages.Sun Tzu wrote:Yes. Understanding people's faith can't be a bad thing. I'd much prefer comparative RE to faith schools, regardless of faith.Andrew wrote comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc.Are you in favour of this?
Andrew, Bury says...
10:18am Tue 25 Mar 08
chas wrote:Be quiet Chas. You're out of you depth. Remarkable given these comments are paddling in the intellectual shallow end.
Andrew Imams are racists. Are they also members of the BNP?
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:18am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:~Andrew the interfaith lot ARE NOT A LOAD OF NUTTERS WANTING TO BLOW PEOPLE UP.
Another thing. Unbeknownst to you, clearly, there are many inter-faith groups which see Muslims, Jews, CofE et working together with mutual respect of each others faiths.
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:19am Tue 25 Mar 08
Unlike a Rabbi (yes Rabbi) when ever have you heard a muslim make a joke about his own faith?
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:20am Tue 25 Mar 08
Please give me an example of ANY muslim who has laughed at himself.
Sun Tzu, says...
10:20am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:Do we allow minor faiths and crackpot cults in too?
Sun Tzu wrote:It's not preaching. It's comparative RE. Don't be so hysterical. Do you not think kids are taught about the world's major religions now?
Andrew wrote:So where do we draw the line? Do we allow crackpot cults into schools? Because in your world of equality we will have to. If my son decides he worships Iron Maiden does he get a lesson playing on his electric guitar? It's a madmans charter to allow religions to preach in schools. Before you know it religion would be taking up more time than real subject and our education system would be in a bigger mess than it is now. Not to mention screwing up kids minds with conflicting messages.Sun Tzu wrote:Yes. Understanding people's faith can't be a bad thing. I'd much prefer comparative RE to faith schools, regardless of faith.Andrew wrote comparative RE to be taught, with visiting priests, imans, rabbies etc.Are you in favour of this?
And if not, how can we justify it in todays world of equality?
Andrew, Bury says...
10:20am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:No. Thought you stood in Bolton. Thought you found them not extreme and/or organised enough, hence the jump to the BNP ship which you've made so spectacularly obvious.
Andrew wrote:Bet you thought I stood in Bury for Veritas as well didn't you? What an Idiot. Your BNP Andrew hobbyhoarse is like a dry sore throat. No one can hear you properly and the shouting has left you voiceless.Sun Tzu wrote: Stop banging on about the BNP Andrew. Are you in favour or not?Ian's BNP support is pertinent given the malicious and stupid nature of his posting. No one is supporting this 'cleric' and yet he's off trying to suggest people do and equating all imams with this bloke. Not big. Not clever. To be expected.
No, I won't let it lie.
Andrew, Bury says...
10:22am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:Shazia Mirza. Not a he though Ian.
Andrew ., Unlike a Rabbi (yes Rabbi) when ever have you heard a muslim make a joke about his own faith?
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:22am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew , Leroys pretentiousness shows through..
Keep it up..
Andrew, Bury says...
10:24am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:No mate. You appeared earlier to suggest this cleric was representative of all. I pointed out this was toital nonsense designed to spread hate and you got all uptonny. Sorry, uppity.
Andrew wrote: Another thing. Unbeknownst to you, clearly, there are many inter-faith groups which see Muslims, Jews, CofE et working together with mutual respect of each others faiths.~Andrew the interfaith lot ARE NOT A LOAD OF NUTTERS WANTING TO BLOW PEOPLE UP.
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:24am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:Yes but she doesn't count in Mulsim terms becasue she is a woman.
RockyRereturns wrote:Shazia Mirza. Not a he though Ian.
Andrew ., Unlike a Rabbi (yes Rabbi) when ever have you heard a muslim make a joke about his own faith?
Woman are thought of as the lesser species in a Muslim world so I ask again
TELL ME OF ANY MALE MUSLIM.
chas, suffolk says...
10:25am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:Please forgive me for making a comment. I look up to my superiors, but look down on you.
chas wrote: Andrew Imams are racists. Are they also members of the BNP?Be quiet Chas. You're out of you depth. Remarkable given these comments are paddling in the intellectual shallow end.
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:26am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:Andrew smoke and Mirrors I didnt stand anywhere but I read that the person you think I am stood in Bury your home town.
RockyRereturns wrote:No. Thought you stood in Bolton. Thought you found them not extreme and/or organised enough, hence the jump to the BNP ship which you've made so spectacularly obvious.
Andrew wrote:Bet you thought I stood in Bury for Veritas as well didn't you? What an Idiot. Your BNP Andrew hobbyhoarse is like a dry sore throat. No one can hear you properly and the shouting has left you voiceless.Sun Tzu wrote: Stop banging on about the BNP Andrew. Are you in favour or not?Ian's BNP support is pertinent given the malicious and stupid nature of his posting. No one is supporting this 'cleric' and yet he's off trying to suggest people do and equating all imams with this bloke. Not big. Not clever. To be expected.
No, I won't let it lie.
Back on the BNP ship I see..
Andrew mud sticks and all that...
Sun Tzu, says...
10:28am Tue 25 Mar 08
Do we allow minor faiths and crackpot cults in too?
And if not, how can we justify it in todays world of equality?
(Andrew won't/can't answer this question and is now franticaly trying to get this thread closed.}
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:29am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:Andrew more Leroyisms again.
RockyRereturns wrote:No mate. You appeared earlier to suggest this cleric was representative of all. I pointed out this was toital nonsense designed to spread hate and you got all uptonny. Sorry, uppity.
Andrew wrote: Another thing. Unbeknownst to you, clearly, there are many inter-faith groups which see Muslims, Jews, CofE et working together with mutual respect of each others faiths.~Andrew the interfaith lot ARE NOT A LOAD OF NUTTERS WANTING TO BLOW PEOPLE UP.
You have well and truly ousted yourself.
How's that bluetooth access on your Iphone?
do you share those pictures of goats?
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:30am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:Leroy I await you're riposte.
Andrew wrote:Yes but she doesn't count in Mulsim terms becasue she is a woman.
RockyRereturns wrote:Shazia Mirza. Not a he though Ian.
Andrew ., Unlike a Rabbi (yes Rabbi) when ever have you heard a muslim make a joke about his own faith?
Woman are thought of as the lesser species in a Muslim world so I ask again
TELL ME OF ANY MALE MUSLIM.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
10:31am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:31am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu wrote:In the line of fire Sun the cowards run away.
Andrew - For the third time.
Do we allow minor faiths and crackpot cults in too?
And if not, how can we justify it in todays world of equality?
(Andrew won't/can't answer this question and is now franticaly trying to get this thread closed.}
Sun Tzu, says...
10:33am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns wrote:It's the fork in the eye I spoke of earlier.
Sun Tzu wrote:In the line of fire Sun the cowards run away.
Andrew - For the third time.
Do we allow minor faiths and crackpot cults in too?
And if not, how can we justify it in todays world of equality?
(Andrew won't/can't answer this question and is now franticaly trying to get this thread closed.}
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:33am Tue 25 Mar 08
Do you know even with ITV2 Coronation Street doesn't get repeated this often.
yummymummy, bolton says...
10:34am Tue 25 Mar 08
chas, suffolk says...
10:34am Tue 25 Mar 08
Do you mean one has been westernised, which is against their religion?
Le Roi, says...
10:34am Tue 25 Mar 08
Shut down that mosque on Blackburn road where his hatreds are preached
Please show us the evidence for this, otherwise it's a racist slur.
Put up or shut up Rocky.
Sun Tzu, says...
10:36am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:37am Tue 25 Mar 08
Le Roi wrote:Oh and now the master appears....
Shut down that mosque on Blackburn road where his hatreds are preached
Please show us the evidence for this, otherwise it's a racist slur.
Put up or shut up Rocky.
Thanks Andrew..
Ask the men in those old range rovers sat outside
They often frequent the building with blacked out windows sat on the river thames.
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:38am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu wrote:Oh yes. As well as him logging off then Back on again as Leroy.
Rock - Did you notice Andrew's tactic of diverting the thread to BNP in order to cause a race hate fest and get the thread closed?
The plan worked..
Well done lads we caught out the chair of Chorltons Amature dramatics society
Andrew, Bury says...
10:39am Tue 25 Mar 08
Sun Tzu wrote:I guess my previous emboldening of the world's major religions wasn't subtle enough for you Sun?
Andrew - For the third time. Do we allow minor faiths and crackpot cults in too? And if not, how can we justify it in todays world of equality? (Andrew won't/can't answer this question and is now franticaly trying to get this thread closed.}
Ian, you have demonstrated your support for the BNP on here. Don't try and re-write history in the way you try to rewrite the present.
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:39am Tue 25 Mar 08
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
10:40am Tue 25 Mar 08
Andrew wrote:IAN?
Sun Tzu wrote:I guess my previous emboldening of the world's major religions wasn't subtle enough for you Sun?
Andrew - For the third time. Do we allow minor faiths and crackpot cults in too? And if not, how can we justify it in todays world of equality? (Andrew won't/can't answer this question and is now franticaly trying to get this thread closed.}
Ian, you have demonstrated your support for the BNP on here. Don't try and re-write history in the way you try to rewrite the present.
Oh pluuurrrease ....come on Leroy...
RockyRereturns, Bicester says...
9:32am Tue 25 Mar 08
Kick these clerics out of Britain.
Either that or get Amir to drive them out.
One sure quick way for a fast exit.