"It is up to staff to prove they are unable to move either due to excessive journey time, health issues or domestic issues"

Andy Jones wrote:

"It is up to staff to prove they are unable to move either due to excessive journey time, health issues or domestic issues"

No it isn't. If you're relocating their jobs then you've fundamentally changed the details of the contract they've signed up to and each and every one of them is entitled to a full redundancy package without requiring to give any sort of reason as to why they don't want to travel to Manchester every morning. Of course, the diabolical train service would be a **** good reason.

reasonable daily travel

Andy Jones wrote:
I suppose, but a standard contract of employment usually lays out the hours and location of work.

yonmons wrote:
Its hardly a move to the other side of the country, the "number 8" bus offers a good peak time service from Moorlane to Manchester.

Andy Jones wrote:
I suppose, but a standard contract of employment usually lays out the hours and location of work.

Andy Jones wrote:
I suppose, but a standard contract of employment usually lays out the hours and location of work.

Gloria wrote:
Sorry SUn, should have read all the posts before repeating your point ;-)

yonmons wrote:
Its hardly a move to the other side of the country, the "number 8" bus offers a good peak time service from Moorlane to Manchester.

Gloria wrote:

Andy Jones wrote: I suppose, but a standard contract of employment usually lays out the hours and location of work.

But the standard contract of employment also says that things can change if not unreasonable. And given that a lot of people form Bolton work in manchester, it can hardly be classed as unreasonable.

pip wrote:
ive been communiting from bolton to manchester for 6 years, deal with it or let some one who wants to work have the job! oh and by the way many i work with have families/dependants etc and still do it.

Train services between Salford Crescent and Bolton are being disrupted due to a signalling problem at Clifton.

There is currently no estimate for a normal service to resume.

BORISIMO wrote:
14 firms evicted by university


If anyone has the faintest, why this thread was closed down, please tell me.

pip wrote:
Andy jones i work in a company were colleagues travel from as far as Liverpool etc (on the train/cars), i am not assuming anything, just making the point that it is possible to do.

Andy Jones wrote
Just because it's possible for some people doesn't make it possible for everyone. People who have to collect kids from after school clubs etc.. can do without the unreliability that an extended commute can bring (how many people are late home because of the trains being down today?). For single people living on their own it doesn't matter if they happen to get home an hour later some days. They also don't have to get up really early to get kids ready for school and drop them off etc.. Just because it's possible for some people to do, doesn't mean you can expect everyone to do it.

Rocky wrote :
Yes it was Leroy's mate at the Bolton evening News to save his embarrassment.

He got asked to produce or prove an article he had written as he claimed he was a writer of some sort but still hasn't furnished us with the goods.

the doctor wrote:
I'm not sorry to say I could not give a monkey's chuff about anything that happens to the taxman .

Gloria wrote:

Andy Jones wrote: I suppose, but a standard contract of employment usually lays out the hours and location of work.

But the standard contract of employment also says that things can change if not unreasonable. And given that a lot of people form Bolton work in manchester, it can hardly be classed as unreasonable.

pip wrote:
ive been communiting from bolton to manchester for 6 years, deal with it or let some one who wants to work have the job! oh and by the way many i work with have families/dependants etc and still do it.

Sun Tzu wrote:

Andy Jones wrote Just because it's possible for some people doesn't make it possible for everyone. People who have to collect kids from after school clubs etc.. can do without the unreliability that an extended commute can bring (how many people are late home because of the trains being down today?). For single people living on their own it doesn't matter if they happen to get home an hour later some days. They also don't have to get up really early to get kids ready for school and drop them off etc.. Just because it's possible for some people to do, doesn't mean you can expect everyone to do it.

This kind of luxury belongs to yesterday. There won't be any room for this kind of pampering in the forthcoming depression. These people should count their lucky stars that they have some of the most secure jobs around.

Sun Tzu wrote:

reasonable daily travel

This is the argument which will be put forward at an employment tribunal - Because that is where they will be fighting for their redundancy if HMR and C decide to hold out. I wouldn't like to argue that Manchester is not reasonable daily travel, when many make this commute every day and some much further. And when you consider how secure, well-paid and cushy these jobs are. I don't think they could expect a sympathetic ear.

Le Roi wrote:
Roxy the proof is all around you ;-)

Le Roi wrote:
Roxy the proof is all around you ;-)

Fiddleron the roof wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote:

reasonable daily travel

This is the argument which will be put forward at an employment tribunal - Because that is where they will be fighting for their redundancy if HMR and C decide to hold out. I wouldn't like to argue that Manchester is not reasonable daily travel, when many make this commute every day and some much further. And when you consider how secure, well-paid and cushy these jobs are. I don't think they could expect a sympathetic ear.

The salaries for the majority of civil servants in the clerical grades are £12500 to £18000. Not well paid! The lowest is just over the national minimum wage. Get your facts straight before spouting off!!

Fiddleron the roof wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote:

reasonable daily travel

This is the argument which will be put forward at an employment tribunal - Because that is where they will be fighting for their redundancy if HMR and C decide to hold out. I wouldn't like to argue that Manchester is not reasonable daily travel, when many make this commute every day and some much further. And when you consider how secure, well-paid and cushy these jobs are. I don't think they could expect a sympathetic ear.

The salaries for the majority of civil servants in the clerical grades are £12500 to £18000. Not well paid! The lowest is just over the national minimum wage. Get your facts straight before spouting off!!

amosc99 wrote:

Fiddleron the roof wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote:

reasonable daily travel

This is the argument which will be put forward at an employment tribunal - Because that is where they will be fighting for their redundancy if HMR and C decide to hold out. I wouldn't like to argue that Manchester is not reasonable daily travel, when many make this commute every day and some much further. And when you consider how secure, well-paid and cushy these jobs are. I don't think they could expect a sympathetic ear.

The salaries for the majority of civil servants in the clerical grades are £12500 to £18000. Not well paid! The lowest is just over the national minimum wage. Get your facts straight before spouting off!!

That's better paid than the RBS. A normal bank officer for the RBS is between 9k and 15k!!!