Bolton church to hold same sex civil services

First published in News

A TOWN centre church has become the first in Bolton to be licensed to perform same sex civil partnership ceremonies.

Bank Street Unitarian Chapel is only the second church in Greater Manchester and one of only about 20 in the country that has applied to be allowed to perform the ceremonies for gay couples since the law was changed last year.

Stephen Lingwood, the church’s minister, pictured, said being granted the licence was a justice that should be celebrated.

He said: “Unitarians have been fighting for gay rights for decades. Our faith is all about equality.

“This year our congregation agreed that we want to treat all couples equally as far as the law allows.

“One day I hope we will be able to perform same sex marriages in exactly the same way we perform different sex marriages but right now the law bans that.

It’s a good step forward that we can now have civil partnerships.

The arrangements for civil partnerships are quite different to marriage, but it is step in the right direction.”

The church’s committee decided to apply for the licence in March to ensure all couples could be treated equally.

No civil ceremonies have been booked in yet, but the church hopes it will attract couples from Bolton and out of the area.

Mr Lingwood, who has been at the church for four years, said: “If people go to a registry office or a hotel they aren’t allowed any prayers but if the religious part is important to them then people now have the opportunity. We see it as an issue of justice that we want to celebrate the love of two people whoever they will be.”

He said having the licence for three years costs £250, but the fee was irrelevant because obtaining it was important to the church.

Civil partnership ceremonies and weddings will be charged at the same rate.

Ullet Road Unitarian Church, in Liverpool, was the first in the country to hold such a service last May.

The legislation allowing civil ceremonies was announced in December last year following public consultation, but plans were first announced in February last year. Cross Street Unitarian Chapel in Manchester is believed to be the only other licensed church in Greater Manchester.

Conservative MP David Davies, who represents Monmouth, sparked outrage during a discussion about gay marriage yesterday after he claimed most parents do not want their children to be homosexual — because they want grandchildren.

His comments were in opposition to the government’s plans to allow gay marriage. Legislation is expected to come into force next year. If it goes ahead, the Government will treat marriages between same-sex couples as the marriage between a man and a woman.

Currently civil partnership have the same legal treatment as marriage in matters such as inheritance, life assurance, child maintenance, pensions and nextof- kin and emigration rights.

Opposite sex couples can choose between a religious or civil marriage cereony, whereas a same sex partnership is an exclusively civil procedure.

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11:11am Tue 11 Dec 12

Love Bolton says...

Brilliant to see Bolton taking the lead here.
Brilliant to see Bolton taking the lead here. Love Bolton
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11:35am Tue 11 Dec 12

PDY says...

Whilst the statement by David Davies is of the blindingly obvious it misses the point that Gay people do not elect to deprive their parents of grandchildren. It must be a source of great sadness to many Gay people that their parents will miss out on the pleasures of being a grandparent but it should not detract from the fact that they are entitled to the same treatment under the law as hetrosexuals.
Whilst the statement by David Davies is of the blindingly obvious it misses the point that Gay people do not elect to deprive their parents of grandchildren. It must be a source of great sadness to many Gay people that their parents will miss out on the pleasures of being a grandparent but it should not detract from the fact that they are entitled to the same treatment under the law as hetrosexuals. PDY
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12:14pm Tue 11 Dec 12

twowok says...

I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.
I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting. twowok
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12:15pm Tue 11 Dec 12

twowok says...

Oh and well done to Bank Street Unitarian Chapel.
Oh and well done to Bank Street Unitarian Chapel. twowok
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12:36pm Tue 11 Dec 12

berushka says...

twowok wrote:
I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.
to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.
[quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.[/p][/quote]to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them. berushka
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12:48pm Tue 11 Dec 12

mrdaviddixon says...

Absolutely stupid, Groom & Groom two best men and a bunch of pageboys, people will want to marry their pets next, can you imagine in a hundred years or so a person trying to build their family tree.
Could this ploy of Cameron’s be just to get some money into the economy as the gay community don’t do things by half.
If I was young again and this was let to happen I’m afraid getting marriage would not be for me.
Get your dictionary out and see what marriage actually means.
Absolutely stupid, Groom & Groom two best men and a bunch of pageboys, people will want to marry their pets next, can you imagine in a hundred years or so a person trying to build their family tree. Could this ploy of Cameron’s be just to get some money into the economy as the gay community don’t do things by half. If I was young again and this was let to happen I’m afraid getting marriage would not be for me. Get your dictionary out and see what marriage actually means. mrdaviddixon
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1:14pm Tue 11 Dec 12

exiled says...

I agree with twowok.

I don't understand why 2men / 2women should have any right to undermine the meaning of true marriage. Why can't they just accept their civil partnership and stop moaning?

And for all those who start bleating about homophobia, that simply isn't correct. I am entitled to an opinion based on my beliefs, just as other sections of the community are entitled to agree or disagree with them.
I agree with twowok. I don't understand why 2men / 2women should have any right to undermine the meaning of true marriage. Why can't they just accept their civil partnership and stop moaning? And for all those who start bleating about homophobia, that simply isn't correct. I am entitled to an opinion based on my beliefs, just as other sections of the community are entitled to agree or disagree with them. exiled
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1:14pm Tue 11 Dec 12

exiled says...

I agree with twowok.

I don't understand why 2men / 2women should have any right to undermine the meaning of true marriage. Why can't they just accept their civil partnership and stop moaning?

And for all those who start bleating about homophobia, that simply isn't correct. I am entitled to an opinion based on my beliefs, just as other sections of the community are entitled to agree or disagree with them.
I agree with twowok. I don't understand why 2men / 2women should have any right to undermine the meaning of true marriage. Why can't they just accept their civil partnership and stop moaning? And for all those who start bleating about homophobia, that simply isn't correct. I am entitled to an opinion based on my beliefs, just as other sections of the community are entitled to agree or disagree with them. exiled
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4:42pm Tue 11 Dec 12

myfanwy7 says...

berushka wrote:
twowok wrote:
I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.
to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.
Berushka, you don't have a right not to be offended. You seem really uncomfortable with the idea that love might extend beyond the heterosexual model. If you feel insulted by a gay couple hugging then that's an issue for you to deal with I'm afraid. And as for your stereotypes based on appearance, well that's hardly an argument is it? Then you reveal that you really believe gay people are "not natural" and compare them to "normal" people. That's where insulting language comes in. This is homophobia pure and simple - an intolerance for people living their lives in a way unhindered by threat or intimidation. The problem is with you Berushka, not the gay community and certainly not with Bank St Chapel who have shown that they understand the importance of love in this world instead of, for example, prejudice. By the way I don't believe freedom of speech only works for me, but I do believe that this right should be used responsibly and not as a vehicle for irrationality and intolerance.
[quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.[/p][/quote]to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.[/p][/quote]Berushka, you don't have a right not to be offended. You seem really uncomfortable with the idea that love might extend beyond the heterosexual model. If you feel insulted by a gay couple hugging then that's an issue for you to deal with I'm afraid. And as for your stereotypes based on appearance, well that's hardly an argument is it? Then you reveal that you really believe gay people are "not natural" and compare them to "normal" people. That's where insulting language comes in. This is homophobia pure and simple - an intolerance for people living their lives in a way unhindered by threat or intimidation. The problem is with you Berushka, not the gay community and certainly not with Bank St Chapel who have shown that they understand the importance of love in this world instead of, for example, prejudice. By the way I don't believe freedom of speech only works for me, but I do believe that this right should be used responsibly and not as a vehicle for irrationality and intolerance. myfanwy7
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5:07pm Tue 11 Dec 12

berushka says...

myfanwy7 wrote:
berushka wrote:
twowok wrote:
I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.
to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.
Berushka, you don't have a right not to be offended. You seem really uncomfortable with the idea that love might extend beyond the heterosexual model. If you feel insulted by a gay couple hugging then that's an issue for you to deal with I'm afraid. And as for your stereotypes based on appearance, well that's hardly an argument is it? Then you reveal that you really believe gay people are "not natural" and compare them to "normal" people. That's where insulting language comes in. This is homophobia pure and simple - an intolerance for people living their lives in a way unhindered by threat or intimidation. The problem is with you Berushka, not the gay community and certainly not with Bank St Chapel who have shown that they understand the importance of love in this world instead of, for example, prejudice. By the way I don't believe freedom of speech only works for me, but I do believe that this right should be used responsibly and not as a vehicle for irrationality and intolerance.
So I suppose that is the opinion from Wales is it? Still, I care less about your preaching, it is irrelevant and totally off the point. I do feel uncomfortable about these abnormal people behaving abnormally, and I feel saddened that this is the way the world is going. Once we could bring our children up believing that things were good, marriage was the family way and had been for thousands of years. Now we see people in the public eye behaving abnormally, and the media,as is their will, crawl up to these people as an aid to sell their rubbish. The world is becoming a less and less happy place for future generations, and tolerance has nothing to do with it. Tell me honestly, would you tolerate being approached in a public place by a male moron asking for sexual favours, or fail to reproach your child at being upset at seeing two grown women intimately kissing and fondling each other in the middle of the town centre? If you think these actions are normal and should be tolerated, then it is you, I fear, needs help, not me. Even hardened criminals, convicted of of the most heinous crimes refer to these people as beasts - I wonder why? If I am homophobic, then I am happy to be counted along with the millions, nay billions of normal people who have gone before me suffering from the same phobia.
[quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.[/p][/quote]to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.[/p][/quote]Berushka, you don't have a right not to be offended. You seem really uncomfortable with the idea that love might extend beyond the heterosexual model. If you feel insulted by a gay couple hugging then that's an issue for you to deal with I'm afraid. And as for your stereotypes based on appearance, well that's hardly an argument is it? Then you reveal that you really believe gay people are "not natural" and compare them to "normal" people. That's where insulting language comes in. This is homophobia pure and simple - an intolerance for people living their lives in a way unhindered by threat or intimidation. The problem is with you Berushka, not the gay community and certainly not with Bank St Chapel who have shown that they understand the importance of love in this world instead of, for example, prejudice. By the way I don't believe freedom of speech only works for me, but I do believe that this right should be used responsibly and not as a vehicle for irrationality and intolerance.[/p][/quote]So I suppose that is the opinion from Wales is it? Still, I care less about your preaching, it is irrelevant and totally off the point. I do feel uncomfortable about these abnormal people behaving abnormally, and I feel saddened that this is the way the world is going. Once we could bring our children up believing that things were good, marriage was the family way and had been for thousands of years. Now we see people in the public eye behaving abnormally, and the media,as is their will, crawl up to these people as an aid to sell their rubbish. The world is becoming a less and less happy place for future generations, and tolerance has nothing to do with it. Tell me honestly, would you tolerate being approached in a public place by a male moron asking for sexual favours, or fail to reproach your child at being upset at seeing two grown women intimately kissing and fondling each other in the middle of the town centre? If you think these actions are normal and should be tolerated, then it is you, I fear, needs help, not me. Even hardened criminals, convicted of of the most heinous crimes refer to these people as beasts - I wonder why? If I am homophobic, then I am happy to be counted along with the millions, nay billions of normal people who have gone before me suffering from the same phobia. berushka
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6:29pm Tue 11 Dec 12

underwater says...

What a crazy crazy world we are living in. For so long we have had one man and one woman who produced children ,who then had a mother and a father, a normal family . I don't care what anyone tries to tell me, it is abnormal behaviour and churches and politicians should be ashamed of themselves for going along with these lunatics who are creating so many problems for the future. I feel so sorry for the children who will be involved in these immoral partnerships.
What a crazy crazy world we are living in. For so long we have had one man and one woman who produced children ,who then had a mother and a father, a normal family . I don't care what anyone tries to tell me, it is abnormal behaviour and churches and politicians should be ashamed of themselves for going along with these lunatics who are creating so many problems for the future. I feel so sorry for the children who will be involved in these immoral partnerships. underwater
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7:27pm Tue 11 Dec 12

grimtown says...

About time they church tried to encourage marriage between men and women whom have children who need security before any other kind of marriage what next horses and donkeys.
About time they church tried to encourage marriage between men and women whom have children who need security before any other kind of marriage what next horses and donkeys. grimtown
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7:31pm Tue 11 Dec 12

myfanwy7 says...

Berushka, I rest my case.
Berushka, I rest my case. myfanwy7
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9:50pm Tue 11 Dec 12

landofthefree says...

After my initial happiness reading that Bolton is ahead of many places re gay couples being able to have a civil ceremony in a church, I was then saddened by the comments from several who have chosen to respond to this article. People like Berushka and Underwater may not realise that being in a same sex relationship isn't a lifestyle choice made by gay people. Gay people are born gay. Its in their genes. They don't choose to become homosexual: it is inbuilt in them. You may as well call people with red hair, or over 6'3" tall 'abnormal' too. I have several friends who are gay. Some of them tried for years to deny it and 'become straight'. It doesn't work. I know three women who have been in male:female marriages, who have had children, to try and convince themselves to 'conform'. After a lifetime of unhappiness, caused mostly by the attitudes we read above, they are now in same sex relationships, have had civil partnerships ceremonies, and live a much more contented life. Would you deny them that? We have read much recently in the press about the situation in Uganda where homosexuals face the death penalty for their sexual orientation. Would we want the UK to sink to that level of hatred? Gay people are, above all PEOPLE. They just happen to be gay. They don't all flaunt it. The nurse that looks after you in hospital, the pharmacist who handles your prescription, the policemen who gives you directions, the teacher who prepares young people for the world - any one of them could be gay. The ancient Greeks practised homosexuality: its hardly a new thing. Personally I feel there are far many more practices that are 'immoral' - like the grooming of children by mainly heterosexual men - not that of being gay. If we want to change society, we need to educate not only young people but older ones too, on this issue.
After my initial happiness reading that Bolton is ahead of many places re gay couples being able to have a civil ceremony in a church, I was then saddened by the comments from several who have chosen to respond to this article. People like Berushka and Underwater may not realise that being in a same sex relationship isn't a lifestyle choice made by gay people. Gay people are born gay. Its in their genes. They don't choose to become homosexual: it is inbuilt in them. You may as well call people with red hair, or over 6'3" tall 'abnormal' too. I have several friends who are gay. Some of them tried for years to deny it and 'become straight'. It doesn't work. I know three women who have been in male:female marriages, who have had children, to try and convince themselves to 'conform'. After a lifetime of unhappiness, caused mostly by the attitudes we read above, they are now in same sex relationships, have had civil partnerships ceremonies, and live a much more contented life. Would you deny them that? We have read much recently in the press about the situation in Uganda where homosexuals face the death penalty for their sexual orientation. Would we want the UK to sink to that level of hatred? Gay people are, above all PEOPLE. They just happen to be gay. They don't all flaunt it. The nurse that looks after you in hospital, the pharmacist who handles your prescription, the policemen who gives you directions, the teacher who prepares young people for the world - any one of them could be gay. The ancient Greeks practised homosexuality: its hardly a new thing. Personally I feel there are far many more practices that are 'immoral' - like the grooming of children by mainly heterosexual men - not that of being gay. If we want to change society, we need to educate not only young people but older ones too, on this issue. landofthefree
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10:07pm Tue 11 Dec 12

macauley says...

what ever turns you on i say.
what ever turns you on i say. macauley
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11:25pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Blyton says...

Landof the free this is well grounded and reasoned out. All people have a right to equality, to feel safe and to be able to love. Its is not only heterosexual people who need love and stability and to be able to make a commitment to one another, all people, transgendered, gay straight etc, have a right and need to be equal in all things.
Berushka and the others who have posted homophobic views, not reasoned opinions, should know their outrageous 'rants' are illegal under the Communication Act 2003 and Equalities Act and could lead them to interviewed under Police caution.So think before you make public comments which are attacking others.KIndness and acceptance and equality or tolerance costs nothing but good manners and humility.
Landof the free this is well grounded and reasoned out. All people have a right to equality, to feel safe and to be able to love. Its is not only heterosexual people who need love and stability and to be able to make a commitment to one another, all people, transgendered, gay straight etc, have a right and need to be equal in all things. Berushka and the others who have posted homophobic views, not reasoned opinions, should know their outrageous 'rants' are illegal under the Communication Act 2003 and Equalities Act and could lead them to interviewed under Police caution.So think before you make public comments which are attacking others.KIndness and acceptance and equality or tolerance costs nothing but good manners and humility. Blyton
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9:30am Wed 12 Dec 12

Hough64 says...

berushka wrote:
twowok wrote:
I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.
to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.
Am assuming that if one of your children turned out to be gay you would disown them then? Or have you instilled into them how "wrong" it is that they would be too afraid to tell you. What great morals to bring them up with. And I for one am not surprised that you made such a comment on this page. Homophobic twit!!
[quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.[/p][/quote]to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.[/p][/quote]Am assuming that if one of your children turned out to be gay you would disown them then? Or have you instilled into them how "wrong" it is that they would be too afraid to tell you. What great morals to bring them up with. And I for one am not surprised that you made such a comment on this page. Homophobic twit!! Hough64
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9:32am Wed 12 Dec 12

Kirstles says...

I think it is totally disgusting reading some of the comments on here.
It is these small, narrow minded people that can't progress with the way the 21st century is working and when it comes to things that put them out of their comfort zone, are first to comment.
Why should people feel the need to live up to a certain way of living to please others? It is immoral.
You preach about how God says the homosexuality is a sin, but didn't he also say 'love thy neighbour'? Do you even specifically see it say 'love thy heterosexual neighbour'? NO. And to make it even funnier, didn't Jesus have TWO DAD'S!?
You kind of people make me laugh.
Is it natural for people to murder people? Is it natural for people to be terrorists and suicide bombers? Is it natural for people to groom children? NO. So how can homosexual people be classed as not 'natural' and be put into a category like them people?
If members of the public disapprove with two men, or two women to show affection to each other, in public, it is simple, don't look, mind your own business.
Who are you to judge people on how they live their life? Would you welcome criticism about how you live your life? I know the answer to that.
Like I said above, WE LIVE IN THE 21ST CENTURY. Not the 40s/50s/60s. Times have changed. MOVE ON.
No one should be made to feel ashamed or scared with being gay, you who judge should be ashamed.
An old saying comes to mind; 'Don't judge a book by it's cover'.
And yes, obviously I am happy Churches are progressing to having same sex marriages, who knows, maybe one day I'll have one in a Church in my home town, with a woman, I LOVE.
I think it is totally disgusting reading some of the comments on here. It is these small, narrow minded people that can't progress with the way the 21st century is working and when it comes to things that put them out of their comfort zone, are first to comment. Why should people feel the need to live up to a certain way of living to please others? It is immoral. You preach about how God says the homosexuality is a sin, but didn't he also say 'love thy neighbour'? Do you even specifically see it say 'love thy heterosexual neighbour'? NO. And to make it even funnier, didn't Jesus have TWO DAD'S!? You kind of people make me laugh. Is it natural for people to murder people? Is it natural for people to be terrorists and suicide bombers? Is it natural for people to groom children? NO. So how can homosexual people be classed as not 'natural' and be put into a category like them people? If members of the public disapprove with two men, or two women to show affection to each other, in public, it is simple, don't look, mind your own business. Who are you to judge people on how they live their life? Would you welcome criticism about how you live your life? I know the answer to that. Like I said above, WE LIVE IN THE 21ST CENTURY. Not the 40s/50s/60s. Times have changed. MOVE ON. No one should be made to feel ashamed or scared with being gay, you who judge should be ashamed. An old saying comes to mind; 'Don't judge a book by it's cover'. And yes, obviously I am happy Churches are progressing to having same sex marriages, who knows, maybe one day I'll have one in a Church in my home town, with a woman, I LOVE. Kirstles
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9:33am Wed 12 Dec 12

Harry-Joe says...

I do get the fact that everyone should be treated the same but you cannot change a religion to suit what is now a modern day acceptance. I have nothing against anyone who is Gay. Each to their own i say. Its your life to live your way.

But why would you want God to witness your marriage (which is the point of getting married in a church) when he says your not allowed to be gay, your not allowed to be you.
I just don't understand it.
Is religion still going to count? so you still have to be catholic to marry in a catholic church, regardless of gay or not?
Or should anyone be allowed to get married in any church or mosque, regardless of religion? because everyone should have equal rights. Where does it stop or start? Its not very clear.

Confused slightly.
I do get the fact that everyone should be treated the same but you cannot change a religion to suit what is now a modern day acceptance. I have nothing against anyone who is Gay. Each to their own i say. Its your life to live your way. But why would you want God to witness your marriage (which is the point of getting married in a church) when he says your not allowed to be gay, your not allowed to be you. I just don't understand it. Is religion still going to count? so you still have to be catholic to marry in a catholic church, regardless of gay or not? Or should anyone be allowed to get married in any church or mosque, regardless of religion? because everyone should have equal rights. Where does it stop or start? Its not very clear. Confused slightly. Harry-Joe
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9:36am Wed 12 Dec 12

Hough64 says...

myfanwy7 wrote:
Berushka, I rest my case.
He's a nasty piece of work. And why he had to mention Wales I dont know. That idiot lives in China, originally from Bolton so it seems, yet hates Bolton and its people with a passion, but still likes to know whats going on in OUR town. That thing only comes on here to insult and to mock and to try and make us believe it has a perfect life. Best thing to do is ignore it, one day it will crawl away back under the stone it came from.
[quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: Berushka, I rest my case.[/p][/quote]He's a nasty piece of work. And why he had to mention Wales I dont know. That idiot lives in China, originally from Bolton so it seems, yet hates Bolton and its people with a passion, but still likes to know whats going on in OUR town. That thing only comes on here to insult and to mock and to try and make us believe it has a perfect life. Best thing to do is ignore it, one day it will crawl away back under the stone it came from. Hough64
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9:53am Wed 12 Dec 12

Kirstles says...

Harry-Joe wrote:
I do get the fact that everyone should be treated the same but you cannot change a religion to suit what is now a modern day acceptance. I have nothing against anyone who is Gay. Each to their own i say. Its your life to live your way. But why would you want God to witness your marriage (which is the point of getting married in a church) when he says your not allowed to be gay, your not allowed to be you. I just don't understand it. Is religion still going to count? so you still have to be catholic to marry in a catholic church, regardless of gay or not? Or should anyone be allowed to get married in any church or mosque, regardless of religion? because everyone should have equal rights. Where does it stop or start? Its not very clear. Confused slightly.
I don't think it's the concept of God witnessing you get marriage, it is knowing that the people of God are showing acceptance and warmth to starting a new life with the person you love, kind of like a man asking his wife to be Father, but I think it's you've worded how you've said you're 'not allowed'. That's not right. You can be anyone you want to be in live, no one can say you're 'not allowed'.
[quote][p][bold]Harry-Joe[/bold] wrote: I do get the fact that everyone should be treated the same but you cannot change a religion to suit what is now a modern day acceptance. I have nothing against anyone who is Gay. Each to their own i say. Its your life to live your way. But why would you want God to witness your marriage (which is the point of getting married in a church) when he says your not allowed to be gay, your not allowed to be you. I just don't understand it. Is religion still going to count? so you still have to be catholic to marry in a catholic church, regardless of gay or not? Or should anyone be allowed to get married in any church or mosque, regardless of religion? because everyone should have equal rights. Where does it stop or start? Its not very clear. Confused slightly.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's the concept of God witnessing you get marriage, it is knowing that the people of God are showing acceptance and warmth to starting a new life with the person you love, kind of like a man asking his wife to be Father, but I think it's you've worded how you've said you're 'not allowed'. That's not right. You can be anyone you want to be in live, no one can say you're 'not allowed'. Kirstles
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1:14pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Harry-Joe says...

What i am trying to say is, you get married in church because you want God to be witness. Why would you want him to be witness when he says its wrong?
I don't think its wrong or 'not allowed'.

The people of god will never show acceptance it is against what they believe (i'm not saying what they believe is right). But you cannot force someone to change their beliefs.
It has been said if they do change the laws they will not force a religious priests/fathers or whoever to perform the service. They just have to let the church be used. This isn't being accepted.

Right or wrong they may let churches be used for weddings but it wont be accepted by God's People.

and no i am not a religious person
What i am trying to say is, you get married in church because you want God to be witness. Why would you want him to be witness when he says its wrong? I don't think its wrong or 'not allowed'. The people of god will never show acceptance it is against what they believe (i'm not saying what they believe is right). But you cannot force someone to change their beliefs. It has been said if they do change the laws they will not force a religious priests/fathers or whoever to perform the service. They just have to let the church be used. This isn't being accepted. Right or wrong they may let churches be used for weddings but it wont be accepted by God's People. and no i am not a religious person Harry-Joe
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2:02pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Kirstles says...

Harry-Joe wrote:
What i am trying to say is, you get married in church because you want God to be witness. Why would you want him to be witness when he says its wrong? I don't think its wrong or 'not allowed'. The people of god will never show acceptance it is against what they believe (i'm not saying what they believe is right). But you cannot force someone to change their beliefs. It has been said if they do change the laws they will not force a religious priests/fathers or whoever to perform the service. They just have to let the church be used. This isn't being accepted. Right or wrong they may let churches be used for weddings but it wont be accepted by God's People. and no i am not a religious person
The Minister/Father has to agree for it too be allowed in their church, therefore, it is a kind of acceptance letting the ceremony happen in his place of worship.
I'm not saying it should be forced onto religious people, I respect their views and beliefs, it is just annoying that they can't accept people for being gay, they don't have to agree with it, just respect that individuals choice.
There are people out there that believe in God, and are gay, shouldn't they be allowed the same 'treatment' as heterosexual believers of God?
I always got told that God loved everybody, no matter what.
Shouldn't people of religion apply the same thinking?
[quote][p][bold]Harry-Joe[/bold] wrote: What i am trying to say is, you get married in church because you want God to be witness. Why would you want him to be witness when he says its wrong? I don't think its wrong or 'not allowed'. The people of god will never show acceptance it is against what they believe (i'm not saying what they believe is right). But you cannot force someone to change their beliefs. It has been said if they do change the laws they will not force a religious priests/fathers or whoever to perform the service. They just have to let the church be used. This isn't being accepted. Right or wrong they may let churches be used for weddings but it wont be accepted by God's People. and no i am not a religious person[/p][/quote]The Minister/Father has to agree for it too be allowed in their church, therefore, it is a kind of acceptance letting the ceremony happen in his place of worship. I'm not saying it should be forced onto religious people, I respect their views and beliefs, it is just annoying that they can't accept people for being gay, they don't have to agree with it, just respect that individuals choice. There are people out there that believe in God, and are gay, shouldn't they be allowed the same 'treatment' as heterosexual believers of God? I always got told that God loved everybody, no matter what. Shouldn't people of religion apply the same thinking? Kirstles
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2:57pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Harry-Joe says...

Kirstles wrote:
Harry-Joe wrote:
What i am trying to say is, you get married in church because you want God to be witness. Why would you want him to be witness when he says its wrong? I don't think its wrong or 'not allowed'. The people of god will never show acceptance it is against what they believe (i'm not saying what they believe is right). But you cannot force someone to change their beliefs. It has been said if they do change the laws they will not force a religious priests/fathers or whoever to perform the service. They just have to let the church be used. This isn't being accepted. Right or wrong they may let churches be used for weddings but it wont be accepted by God's People. and no i am not a religious person
The Minister/Father has to agree for it too be allowed in their church, therefore, it is a kind of acceptance letting the ceremony happen in his place of worship.
I'm not saying it should be forced onto religious people, I respect their views and beliefs, it is just annoying that they can't accept people for being gay, they don't have to agree with it, just respect that individuals choice.
There are people out there that believe in God, and are gay, shouldn't they be allowed the same 'treatment' as heterosexual believers of God?
I always got told that God loved everybody, no matter what.
Shouldn't people of religion apply the same thinking?
I agree
[quote][p][bold]Kirstles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry-Joe[/bold] wrote: What i am trying to say is, you get married in church because you want God to be witness. Why would you want him to be witness when he says its wrong? I don't think its wrong or 'not allowed'. The people of god will never show acceptance it is against what they believe (i'm not saying what they believe is right). But you cannot force someone to change their beliefs. It has been said if they do change the laws they will not force a religious priests/fathers or whoever to perform the service. They just have to let the church be used. This isn't being accepted. Right or wrong they may let churches be used for weddings but it wont be accepted by God's People. and no i am not a religious person[/p][/quote]The Minister/Father has to agree for it too be allowed in their church, therefore, it is a kind of acceptance letting the ceremony happen in his place of worship. I'm not saying it should be forced onto religious people, I respect their views and beliefs, it is just annoying that they can't accept people for being gay, they don't have to agree with it, just respect that individuals choice. There are people out there that believe in God, and are gay, shouldn't they be allowed the same 'treatment' as heterosexual believers of God? I always got told that God loved everybody, no matter what. Shouldn't people of religion apply the same thinking?[/p][/quote]I agree Harry-Joe
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3:17pm Wed 12 Dec 12

AdeleTeresa says...

berushka wrote:
twowok wrote:
I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.
to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.
Who the heck do you think you are??? Everyone has the right to be happy BEING THEMSELVES regardless of their sexuality, being trapped in the wrong body, culture, beliefs etc. And define this "normal" you speak of, everyone is normal in their own way, everyone is unique and different. I choose to follow science and facts, you choose to follow your religion. It is YOUR CHOICE so let everyone else have theirs, but speaking of choice - a person does not choose to be gay or be born in the wrong body BABY THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY it's genetic.

Blessed be :)
[quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.[/p][/quote]to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.[/p][/quote]Who the heck do you think you are??? Everyone has the right to be happy BEING THEMSELVES regardless of their sexuality, being trapped in the wrong body, culture, beliefs etc. And define this "normal" you speak of, everyone is normal in their own way, everyone is unique and different. I choose to follow science and facts, you choose to follow your religion. It is YOUR CHOICE so let everyone else have theirs, but speaking of choice - a person does not choose to be gay or be born in the wrong body BABY THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY it's genetic. Blessed be :) AdeleTeresa
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3:26pm Wed 12 Dec 12

AdeleTeresa says...

Thou shall not be judged.... Be happy being you and don't get in peoples faces in what you think is wrong. Personally I choose to believe that murder is wrong, rape, kidnap, abuse, theft, violence (verbal included) crimes etc. These sort of people choose to commit these horrible crimes. Being gay is not a choice. If my children told me that they are gay then I would put my arms around them and say thanks for being honest and never be ashamed of who you are. If they told me they had committed a crime then I would inform the police and make them face the consequences. I want the best for my kids and would never try to make them be someone they are not.
Thou shall not be judged.... Be happy being you and don't get in peoples faces in what you think is wrong. Personally I choose to believe that murder is wrong, rape, kidnap, abuse, theft, violence (verbal included) crimes etc. These sort of people choose to commit these horrible crimes. Being gay is not a choice. If my children told me that they are gay then I would put my arms around them and say thanks for being honest and never be ashamed of who you are. If they told me they had committed a crime then I would inform the police and make them face the consequences. I want the best for my kids and would never try to make them be someone they are not. AdeleTeresa
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3:40pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Kirstles says...

AdeleTeresa wrote:
berushka wrote:
twowok wrote: I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.
to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.
Who the heck do you think you are??? Everyone has the right to be happy BEING THEMSELVES regardless of their sexuality, being trapped in the wrong body, culture, beliefs etc. And define this "normal" you speak of, everyone is normal in their own way, everyone is unique and different. I choose to follow science and facts, you choose to follow your religion. It is YOUR CHOICE so let everyone else have theirs, but speaking of choice - a person does not choose to be gay or be born in the wrong body BABY THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY it's genetic. Blessed be :)
LOVE that you quoted Lady Gaga lyrics!

No matter GAY, STRAIGHT OR BI, LESBIAN, TRANSGENDER LIFE, I'm on the right track baby I was born to survive!
[quote][p][bold]AdeleTeresa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: I think most caring parents just want their children to be healthy and happy. I don't think having or not having grandchildren comes into it, and this is a very selfish and ignorant statement and is actually quite insulting.[/p][/quote]to whom is it insulting? Does it matter not that some people, me included, find it insulting to see two men or women kissing and hugging after they have gone through this ridiculous ceremony? And why do so many women feel it necessary to dress like a man and have a male haircut when they have a female partner, does the fact that they are women and think at least one of them should look butch is because they feel embarrassed or strange? Truth is, they are strange, and any bloke who calls himself a minister should resign and stop trying to balance his faith with his beliefs. Didn't his god say to go forth and multiply? Didn't his own god decree that homosexuality was a sin against mankind and god himself. You can't have it both ways I personally think the whole god business is a joke, invented by man to suit his own purposes, but I totally agree with the MP, and go further in saying that homosexuals are still not natural, I certainly do not like them parading around, which normal people do not find necessary, I would certainly want my children to have a normal life and produce children, And I would so wish that the use of the word gay was reverted to its original meaning, and the correct term for these people was used. Interestingly, a poster above uses gay and heterosexual in one sentence; why not gay and none-gay? There you go, now let's wait for the barrage of insults, slander, attacks and outcries from the posters who think freedom of speech only works for them.[/p][/quote]Who the heck do you think you are??? Everyone has the right to be happy BEING THEMSELVES regardless of their sexuality, being trapped in the wrong body, culture, beliefs etc. And define this "normal" you speak of, everyone is normal in their own way, everyone is unique and different. I choose to follow science and facts, you choose to follow your religion. It is YOUR CHOICE so let everyone else have theirs, but speaking of choice - a person does not choose to be gay or be born in the wrong body BABY THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY it's genetic. Blessed be :)[/p][/quote]LOVE that you quoted Lady Gaga lyrics! No matter GAY, STRAIGHT OR BI, LESBIAN, TRANSGENDER LIFE, I'm on the right track baby I was born to survive! Kirstles
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4:48pm Wed 12 Dec 12

The Running Man says...

What is natural about any marriage?
What is natural about any marriage? The Running Man
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5:51pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Hough64 says...

Berushka is what is commonly known as a troll. And you know what the saying is....Do not feed the trolls. If people ignore ignore him he might just go away...for good hopefully.
Berushka is what is commonly known as a troll. And you know what the saying is....Do not feed the trolls. If people ignore ignore him he might just go away...for good hopefully. Hough64
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9:09pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Boltonbelle says...

Just a point. Many gay people have children, so not having grandchildren is not an issue.

Interesting discussion.

The congregation of Bank st Chapel have decided they want to welcome same sex couples to have a civil partnership or marriage in their chapel. It is nobody's business but theirs.

What's in a name anyway, whether you call it a civil partnership or a wedding the result is the same. Two people declaring their love public ally and certain legal rights and responsibilities..

I hear all the religious discussion and those people are entitled to their views, but why do they need to impose those views on people who are not of their chosen religion and believe differently., after all, in the main, non religious people do not demand that religious people give up their views.

The Roman Catholic church and the Church of England already exclude certain groups from marriage in their churches. Divorced people and non Christians cannot get married in these churches. because the church teaches this is wrong ( I don't agree with them, that is why I don't belong to those churches) Everybody accepts this so why is there all this fuss about gay marriage in churches. I think if you are a Catholic or a C of E you have to accept that you cannot get married in your church if you are divorced, gay or marry someone not of the faith.

Other more liberal churches allow marriage of these excluded groups as they probably will do with gay people so what is the problem?

People seem to get very hot under the collar at the thought of two people who love one another , publicly declaring that love.

. Surely there are far more important issues to get het up about?
Just a point. Many gay people have children, so not having grandchildren is not an issue. Interesting discussion. The congregation of Bank st Chapel have decided they want to welcome same sex couples to have a civil partnership or marriage in their chapel. It is nobody's business but theirs. What's in a name anyway, whether you call it a civil partnership or a wedding the result is the same. Two people declaring their love public ally and certain legal rights and responsibilities.. I hear all the religious discussion and those people are entitled to their views, but why do they need to impose those views on people who are not of their chosen religion and believe differently., after all, in the main, non religious people do not demand that religious people give up their views. The Roman Catholic church and the Church of England already exclude certain groups from marriage in their churches. Divorced people and non Christians cannot get married in these churches. because the church teaches this is wrong ( I don't agree with them, that is why I don't belong to those churches) Everybody accepts this so why is there all this fuss about gay marriage in churches. I think if you are a Catholic or a C of E you have to accept that you cannot get married in your church if you are divorced, gay or marry someone not of the faith. Other more liberal churches allow marriage of these excluded groups as they probably will do with gay people so what is the problem? People seem to get very hot under the collar at the thought of two people who love one another , publicly declaring that love. . Surely there are far more important issues to get het up about? Boltonbelle
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2:17am Thu 13 Dec 12

boltonnut says...

My understanding of marriage is male and female union.These days people just form a relationship and become (partners).I firmly believe that children need parents of both sexes to form natural instincts in the process of maturing.My father taught me how to shave,not my mother.Very simple example.
My understanding of marriage is male and female union.These days people just form a relationship and become (partners).I firmly believe that children need parents of both sexes to form natural instincts in the process of maturing.My father taught me how to shave,not my mother.Very simple example. boltonnut
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2:17am Thu 13 Dec 12

boltonnut says...

My understanding of marriage is male and female union.These days people just form a relationship and become (partners).I firmly believe that children need parents of both sexes to form natural instincts in the process of maturing.My father taught me how to shave,not my mother.Very simple example.
My understanding of marriage is male and female union.These days people just form a relationship and become (partners).I firmly believe that children need parents of both sexes to form natural instincts in the process of maturing.My father taught me how to shave,not my mother.Very simple example. boltonnut
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2:20am Thu 13 Dec 12

boltonnut says...

OOPS.....I repeat my self.
OOPS.....I repeat my self. boltonnut
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9:34am Thu 13 Dec 12

Harry-Joe says...

boltonnut wrote:
My understanding of marriage is male and female union.These days people just form a relationship and become (partners).I firmly believe that children need parents of both sexes to form natural instincts in the process of maturing.My father taught me how to shave,not my mother.Very simple example.
Lots of people are from one parent families. So what happens if you didn't have a dad that was involved, either it be due to choice or death?
Then another male family figure/friend or even your mother would have shown you.
Children form natural instincts from many people and influences like teachers, friends parents etc not just their own parents.
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: My understanding of marriage is male and female union.These days people just form a relationship and become (partners).I firmly believe that children need parents of both sexes to form natural instincts in the process of maturing.My father taught me how to shave,not my mother.Very simple example.[/p][/quote]Lots of people are from one parent families. So what happens if you didn't have a dad that was involved, either it be due to choice or death? Then another male family figure/friend or even your mother would have shown you. Children form natural instincts from many people and influences like teachers, friends parents etc not just their own parents. Harry-Joe
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11:20am Thu 13 Dec 12

skylark99 says...

Live and let live, I don't understand why its an important issue in this current climate when people are really suffering, churches will get extra funds from letting people of the same sex get married in their churches and that can't be a bad thing when money is tight.
Live and let live, I don't understand why its an important issue in this current climate when people are really suffering, churches will get extra funds from letting people of the same sex get married in their churches and that can't be a bad thing when money is tight. skylark99
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11:46am Thu 13 Dec 12

berushka says...

Adelye teresa, so you quoted lyrics from that idiot gaga? I wouldn't have noticed as I believe her and her kind are one of the reasons society is as bad as it is. Anyone who has to quote rubbish from this nobody must have a very limited life. And my opinion is not based on any religion, I know there is no such thing as a god, religion is silly and dangerous, and why some faiths think they need to dress up in extremely expensive flamboyant clothing, give themselves ranks and hierarchy and then preach that we should help the poor is laughable. Do you really think anyone should kneel in front of another man and kiss his ring just because he wears Scarlett and has a silly hat on? Now who is being ridiculous? The churches have ruled by fear, invented by leaders and rulers to keep the masses in check, and it is they who have degraded society. NORMAL people are made to have sex with those of the opposite gender, produce offspring and rear them as themselves, as is the case in all nature. Anything that goes against this is unnatural, like it or not. Best case scenario is to send them all to the moon where they can indulge in their unnatural and disgusting behaviour in peace. Not much fun, though, no atmosphere! And hughypuffy 64, why don't you just go and lose yourself somewhere, you obviously have a problem with yourself, and I would hate to have to look at your face in a mirror every morning, it would frighten the kids, that is if you have any, or are you one of those married to a moron? Anyroadup, I am done with discussing serious subjects with mindless cretins who cannot string two words together without deriding others' opinions. So a very Merry Holiday, even to those like me who know it is celebrating something that never happened, and a very prosperous and heterosexual New Year to you all.
Adelye teresa, so you quoted lyrics from that idiot gaga? I wouldn't have noticed as I believe her and her kind are one of the reasons society is as bad as it is. Anyone who has to quote rubbish from this nobody must have a very limited life. And my opinion is not based on any religion, I know there is no such thing as a god, religion is silly and dangerous, and why some faiths think they need to dress up in extremely expensive flamboyant clothing, give themselves ranks and hierarchy and then preach that we should help the poor is laughable. Do you really think anyone should kneel in front of another man and kiss his ring just because he wears Scarlett and has a silly hat on? Now who is being ridiculous? The churches have ruled by fear, invented by leaders and rulers to keep the masses in check, and it is they who have degraded society. NORMAL people are made to have sex with those of the opposite gender, produce offspring and rear them as themselves, as is the case in all nature. Anything that goes against this is unnatural, like it or not. Best case scenario is to send them all to the moon where they can indulge in their unnatural and disgusting behaviour in peace. Not much fun, though, no atmosphere! And hughypuffy 64, why don't you just go and lose yourself somewhere, you obviously have a problem with yourself, and I would hate to have to look at your face in a mirror every morning, it would frighten the kids, that is if you have any, or are you one of those married to a moron? Anyroadup, I am done with discussing serious subjects with mindless cretins who cannot string two words together without deriding others' opinions. So a very Merry Holiday, even to those like me who know it is celebrating something that never happened, and a very prosperous and heterosexual New Year to you all. berushka
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12:56pm Thu 13 Dec 12

boltoncity says...

berushka wrote:
Adelye teresa, so you quoted lyrics from that idiot gaga? I wouldn't have noticed as I believe her and her kind are one of the reasons society is as bad as it is. Anyone who has to quote rubbish from this nobody must have a very limited life. And my opinion is not based on any religion, I know there is no such thing as a god, religion is silly and dangerous, and why some faiths think they need to dress up in extremely expensive flamboyant clothing, give themselves ranks and hierarchy and then preach that we should help the poor is laughable. Do you really think anyone should kneel in front of another man and kiss his ring just because he wears Scarlett and has a silly hat on? Now who is being ridiculous? The churches have ruled by fear, invented by leaders and rulers to keep the masses in check, and it is they who have degraded society. NORMAL people are made to have sex with those of the opposite gender, produce offspring and rear them as themselves, as is the case in all nature. Anything that goes against this is unnatural, like it or not. Best case scenario is to send them all to the moon where they can indulge in their unnatural and disgusting behaviour in peace. Not much fun, though, no atmosphere! And hughypuffy 64, why don't you just go and lose yourself somewhere, you obviously have a problem with yourself, and I would hate to have to look at your face in a mirror every morning, it would frighten the kids, that is if you have any, or are you one of those married to a moron? Anyroadup, I am done with discussing serious subjects with mindless cretins who cannot string two words together without deriding others' opinions. So a very Merry Holiday, even to those like me who know it is celebrating something that never happened, and a very prosperous and heterosexual New Year to you all.
you seem like a very angry person berushka.
you need to chill out and relax.
get yourslef down to the dvd rental store , rent a nice movie , pour yourself a nice big glass of red wine and unwind now and then.
May i suggest a couple of movies ?Brokeback Mountain and My Beautiful Laundarette are two that i think will help
[quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: Adelye teresa, so you quoted lyrics from that idiot gaga? I wouldn't have noticed as I believe her and her kind are one of the reasons society is as bad as it is. Anyone who has to quote rubbish from this nobody must have a very limited life. And my opinion is not based on any religion, I know there is no such thing as a god, religion is silly and dangerous, and why some faiths think they need to dress up in extremely expensive flamboyant clothing, give themselves ranks and hierarchy and then preach that we should help the poor is laughable. Do you really think anyone should kneel in front of another man and kiss his ring just because he wears Scarlett and has a silly hat on? Now who is being ridiculous? The churches have ruled by fear, invented by leaders and rulers to keep the masses in check, and it is they who have degraded society. NORMAL people are made to have sex with those of the opposite gender, produce offspring and rear them as themselves, as is the case in all nature. Anything that goes against this is unnatural, like it or not. Best case scenario is to send them all to the moon where they can indulge in their unnatural and disgusting behaviour in peace. Not much fun, though, no atmosphere! And hughypuffy 64, why don't you just go and lose yourself somewhere, you obviously have a problem with yourself, and I would hate to have to look at your face in a mirror every morning, it would frighten the kids, that is if you have any, or are you one of those married to a moron? Anyroadup, I am done with discussing serious subjects with mindless cretins who cannot string two words together without deriding others' opinions. So a very Merry Holiday, even to those like me who know it is celebrating something that never happened, and a very prosperous and heterosexual New Year to you all.[/p][/quote]you seem like a very angry person berushka. you need to chill out and relax. get yourslef down to the dvd rental store , rent a nice movie , pour yourself a nice big glass of red wine and unwind now and then. May i suggest a couple of movies ?Brokeback Mountain and My Beautiful Laundarette are two that i think will help boltoncity
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7:37pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Blyton says...

Yes Berushka does indeed seem like a very angry person,male or female. Perhaps s/he feels safe in posting such distasteful, sad and vitriolic diatribe from afar... if they do, as someone previously suggested, live in China? Maybe they feel protected by distance or such online anonymity ? This can be a tactic of bullies It has been suggested by psychologists researching trolls and hate crimes online.
The police if/when they are informed of these or any other 'published' attacks on certain minority groups of society, and any kind of phobic posts, can and will track an IP address down and take action. Please be aware, living abroad is no protection.
This level of anger may indicate a person seriously needs help.

Such 'lashing out' at others to whip up a reaction, may suggest a possibly deeply unwell person. Thi is very sad if it is the case.

Such 'scatter gun' venom, may be a sign of someone who is lonely, isolated, unable to make relationships, or is possibly psychologically ill? I feel compassion and concern about their need to 'attack' others in print. Perhaps they should seek help, see a professional ? IT all comes across as very very sad indeed.

I and others I am sure, hope you Berushka or anyone minded to 'attack' others, find calm, peace and contentment and less adrenalin focussed on negativity.
Discuss local events do, absolutely have an opinion,express ideas and life enhancing theories. But do it in an adult ,intelligent and open way.Most importantly, do so with an awareness of the feelings and opinions of others. Be mindful of their sensitivities and everyones absolute right to an equal and fair treatment in all things.Respect one another. Though we all realise in other countries, the right to equal treatment and such freedoms is not afforded to everyone.
Yes Berushka does indeed seem like a very angry person,male or female. Perhaps s/he feels safe in posting such distasteful, sad and vitriolic diatribe from afar... if they do, as someone previously suggested, live in China? Maybe they feel protected by distance or such online anonymity ? This can be a tactic of bullies It has been suggested by psychologists researching trolls and hate crimes online. The police if/when they are informed of these or any other 'published' attacks on certain minority groups of society, and any kind of phobic posts, can and will track an IP address down and take action. Please be aware, living abroad is no protection. This level of anger may indicate a person seriously needs help. Such 'lashing out' at others to whip up a reaction, may suggest a possibly deeply unwell person. Thi is very sad if it is the case. Such 'scatter gun' venom, may be a sign of someone who is lonely, isolated, unable to make relationships, or is possibly psychologically ill? I feel compassion and concern about their need to 'attack' others in print. Perhaps they should seek help, see a professional ? IT all comes across as very very sad indeed. I and others I am sure, hope you Berushka or anyone minded to 'attack' others, find calm, peace and contentment and less adrenalin focussed on negativity. Discuss local events do, absolutely have an opinion,express ideas and life enhancing theories. But do it in an adult ,intelligent and open way.Most importantly, do so with an awareness of the feelings and opinions of others. Be mindful of their sensitivities and everyones absolute right to an equal and fair treatment in all things.Respect one another. Though we all realise in other countries, the right to equal treatment and such freedoms is not afforded to everyone. Blyton
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7:51pm Thu 13 Dec 12

macauley says...

Hough64 wrote:
Berushka is what is commonly known as a troll. And you know what the saying is....Do not feed the trolls. If people ignore ignore him he might just go away...for good hopefully.
I THINK IT IS WRONG THAT IT IS EVEN THOUGHT OF FOR MEN TO MARRY MEN IN A CHURCH..........UNLE
SS IT IS IN FARNWORTH.......OR EAGLEY BANK WERE ANYTHING GOES.
[quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: Berushka is what is commonly known as a troll. And you know what the saying is....Do not feed the trolls. If people ignore ignore him he might just go away...for good hopefully.[/p][/quote]I THINK IT IS WRONG THAT IT IS EVEN THOUGHT OF FOR MEN TO MARRY MEN IN A CHURCH..........UNLE SS IT IS IN FARNWORTH.......OR EAGLEY BANK WERE ANYTHING GOES. macauley
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10:32am Fri 14 Dec 12

AdeleTeresa says...

berushka wrote:
Adelye teresa, so you quoted lyrics from that idiot gaga? I wouldn't have noticed as I believe her and her kind are one of the reasons society is as bad as it is. Anyone who has to quote rubbish from this nobody must have a very limited life. And my opinion is not based on any religion, I know there is no such thing as a god, religion is silly and dangerous, and why some faiths think they need to dress up in extremely expensive flamboyant clothing, give themselves ranks and hierarchy and then preach that we should help the poor is laughable. Do you really think anyone should kneel in front of another man and kiss his ring just because he wears Scarlett and has a silly hat on? Now who is being ridiculous? The churches have ruled by fear, invented by leaders and rulers to keep the masses in check, and it is they who have degraded society. NORMAL people are made to have sex with those of the opposite gender, produce offspring and rear them as themselves, as is the case in all nature. Anything that goes against this is unnatural, like it or not. Best case scenario is to send them all to the moon where they can indulge in their unnatural and disgusting behaviour in peace. Not much fun, though, no atmosphere! And hughypuffy 64, why don't you just go and lose yourself somewhere, you obviously have a problem with yourself, and I would hate to have to look at your face in a mirror every morning, it would frighten the kids, that is if you have any, or are you one of those married to a moron? Anyroadup, I am done with discussing serious subjects with mindless cretins who cannot string two words together without deriding others' opinions. So a very Merry Holiday, even to those like me who know it is celebrating something that never happened, and a very prosperous and heterosexual New Year to you all.
Err people like you should be sent to the moon or maybe have their nasty tongue cut out.
[quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: Adelye teresa, so you quoted lyrics from that idiot gaga? I wouldn't have noticed as I believe her and her kind are one of the reasons society is as bad as it is. Anyone who has to quote rubbish from this nobody must have a very limited life. And my opinion is not based on any religion, I know there is no such thing as a god, religion is silly and dangerous, and why some faiths think they need to dress up in extremely expensive flamboyant clothing, give themselves ranks and hierarchy and then preach that we should help the poor is laughable. Do you really think anyone should kneel in front of another man and kiss his ring just because he wears Scarlett and has a silly hat on? Now who is being ridiculous? The churches have ruled by fear, invented by leaders and rulers to keep the masses in check, and it is they who have degraded society. NORMAL people are made to have sex with those of the opposite gender, produce offspring and rear them as themselves, as is the case in all nature. Anything that goes against this is unnatural, like it or not. Best case scenario is to send them all to the moon where they can indulge in their unnatural and disgusting behaviour in peace. Not much fun, though, no atmosphere! And hughypuffy 64, why don't you just go and lose yourself somewhere, you obviously have a problem with yourself, and I would hate to have to look at your face in a mirror every morning, it would frighten the kids, that is if you have any, or are you one of those married to a moron? Anyroadup, I am done with discussing serious subjects with mindless cretins who cannot string two words together without deriding others' opinions. So a very Merry Holiday, even to those like me who know it is celebrating something that never happened, and a very prosperous and heterosexual New Year to you all.[/p][/quote]Err people like you should be sent to the moon or maybe have their nasty tongue cut out. AdeleTeresa
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2:52pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Bob Shaftoe says...

Send Beruska to the moon? Yep, good idea and send macauley as well for company.
Send Beruska to the moon? Yep, good idea and send macauley as well for company. Bob Shaftoe
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4:14pm Fri 14 Dec 12

BIGSTEE says...

Kirstles wrote:
I think it is totally disgusting reading some of the comments on here. It is these small, narrow minded people that can't progress with the way the 21st century is working and when it comes to things that put them out of their comfort zone, are first to comment. Why should people feel the need to live up to a certain way of living to please others? It is immoral. You preach about how God says the homosexuality is a sin, but didn't he also say 'love thy neighbour'? Do you even specifically see it say 'love thy heterosexual neighbour'? NO. And to make it even funnier, didn't Jesus have TWO DAD'S!? You kind of people make me laugh. Is it natural for people to murder people? Is it natural for people to be terrorists and suicide bombers? Is it natural for people to groom children? NO. So how can homosexual people be classed as not 'natural' and be put into a category like them people? If members of the public disapprove with two men, or two women to show affection to each other, in public, it is simple, don't look, mind your own business. Who are you to judge people on how they live their life? Would you welcome criticism about how you live your life? I know the answer to that. Like I said above, WE LIVE IN THE 21ST CENTURY. Not the 40s/50s/60s. Times have changed. MOVE ON. No one should be made to feel ashamed or scared with being gay, you who judge should be ashamed. An old saying comes to mind; 'Don't judge a book by it's cover'. And yes, obviously I am happy Churches are progressing to having same sex marriages, who knows, maybe one day I'll have one in a Church in my home town, with a woman, I LOVE.
i agree, homophobic and smallminded to name but a few,, im not homosexual myself but have lots of friends who are,, i would love to go to a same sex wedding!! its progression,, its a big F you to everyone who tried to stop it,, and as far as me and the missus are concerned everyone is the same,, gay streight black or white,, we are all human, not freaks .. anyway rant over ,, big thumbs up to progression! :)
[quote][p][bold]Kirstles[/bold] wrote: I think it is totally disgusting reading some of the comments on here. It is these small, narrow minded people that can't progress with the way the 21st century is working and when it comes to things that put them out of their comfort zone, are first to comment. Why should people feel the need to live up to a certain way of living to please others? It is immoral. You preach about how God says the homosexuality is a sin, but didn't he also say 'love thy neighbour'? Do you even specifically see it say 'love thy heterosexual neighbour'? NO. And to make it even funnier, didn't Jesus have TWO DAD'S!? You kind of people make me laugh. Is it natural for people to murder people? Is it natural for people to be terrorists and suicide bombers? Is it natural for people to groom children? NO. So how can homosexual people be classed as not 'natural' and be put into a category like them people? If members of the public disapprove with two men, or two women to show affection to each other, in public, it is simple, don't look, mind your own business. Who are you to judge people on how they live their life? Would you welcome criticism about how you live your life? I know the answer to that. Like I said above, WE LIVE IN THE 21ST CENTURY. Not the 40s/50s/60s. Times have changed. MOVE ON. No one should be made to feel ashamed or scared with being gay, you who judge should be ashamed. An old saying comes to mind; 'Don't judge a book by it's cover'. And yes, obviously I am happy Churches are progressing to having same sex marriages, who knows, maybe one day I'll have one in a Church in my home town, with a woman, I LOVE.[/p][/quote]i agree, homophobic and smallminded to name but a few,, im not homosexual myself but have lots of friends who are,, i would love to go to a same sex wedding!! its progression,, its a big F you to everyone who tried to stop it,, and as far as me and the missus are concerned everyone is the same,, gay streight black or white,, we are all human, not freaks .. anyway rant over ,, big thumbs up to progression! :) BIGSTEE
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4:17pm Fri 14 Dec 12

BIGSTEE says...

berushka wrote:
Adelye teresa, so you quoted lyrics from that idiot gaga? I wouldn't have noticed as I believe her and her kind are one of the reasons society is as bad as it is. Anyone who has to quote rubbish from this nobody must have a very limited life. And my opinion is not based on any religion, I know there is no such thing as a god, religion is silly and dangerous, and why some faiths think they need to dress up in extremely expensive flamboyant clothing, give themselves ranks and hierarchy and then preach that we should help the poor is laughable. Do you really think anyone should kneel in front of another man and kiss his ring just because he wears Scarlett and has a silly hat on? Now who is being ridiculous? The churches have ruled by fear, invented by leaders and rulers to keep the masses in check, and it is they who have degraded society. NORMAL people are made to have sex with those of the opposite gender, produce offspring and rear them as themselves, as is the case in all nature. Anything that goes against this is unnatural, like it or not. Best case scenario is to send them all to the moon where they can indulge in their unnatural and disgusting behaviour in peace. Not much fun, though, no atmosphere! And hughypuffy 64, why don't you just go and lose yourself somewhere, you obviously have a problem with yourself, and I would hate to have to look at your face in a mirror every morning, it would frighten the kids, that is if you have any, or are you one of those married to a moron? Anyroadup, I am done with discussing serious subjects with mindless cretins who cannot string two words together without deriding others' opinions. So a very Merry Holiday, even to those like me who know it is celebrating something that never happened, and a very prosperous and heterosexual New Year to you all.
you are just a c**k ,, keep your insulting comments to yourself
[quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: Adelye teresa, so you quoted lyrics from that idiot gaga? I wouldn't have noticed as I believe her and her kind are one of the reasons society is as bad as it is. Anyone who has to quote rubbish from this nobody must have a very limited life. And my opinion is not based on any religion, I know there is no such thing as a god, religion is silly and dangerous, and why some faiths think they need to dress up in extremely expensive flamboyant clothing, give themselves ranks and hierarchy and then preach that we should help the poor is laughable. Do you really think anyone should kneel in front of another man and kiss his ring just because he wears Scarlett and has a silly hat on? Now who is being ridiculous? The churches have ruled by fear, invented by leaders and rulers to keep the masses in check, and it is they who have degraded society. NORMAL people are made to have sex with those of the opposite gender, produce offspring and rear them as themselves, as is the case in all nature. Anything that goes against this is unnatural, like it or not. Best case scenario is to send them all to the moon where they can indulge in their unnatural and disgusting behaviour in peace. Not much fun, though, no atmosphere! And hughypuffy 64, why don't you just go and lose yourself somewhere, you obviously have a problem with yourself, and I would hate to have to look at your face in a mirror every morning, it would frighten the kids, that is if you have any, or are you one of those married to a moron? Anyroadup, I am done with discussing serious subjects with mindless cretins who cannot string two words together without deriding others' opinions. So a very Merry Holiday, even to those like me who know it is celebrating something that never happened, and a very prosperous and heterosexual New Year to you all.[/p][/quote]you are just a c**k ,, keep your insulting comments to yourself BIGSTEE
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6:46pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Puffin-Billy says...

The behaviour of consenting adults has got absolutely nothing to do with any government, any religious authorities, or any other individual.

If two people want their relationship recognised and or blessed by a religious community, it has nothing to do with anyone but that community.

The argument that marriage is only for the purpose of procreation is totally bogus.

What about a man and a woman who are physically incapable of having children;
or who choose not to have children for the sake of following a career;
or who are too old to have children?

Marriage (the relationship) between people of the same sex was formally recognised long before the time of Christ, in many different civilisations.

The definition of marriage belongs to no-one. Not God, not the Pope, not the Anglican Church, and not the government.

The definition of marriage belongs to the people getting married -it is their "intellectual property".

As long as they act within the law, it should be of no concern to anyone.

Welcome to Bolton, a town of open hearts and open minds.
The behaviour of consenting adults has got absolutely nothing to do with any government, any religious authorities, or any other individual. If two people want their relationship recognised and or blessed by a religious community, it has nothing to do with anyone but that community. The argument that marriage is only for the purpose of procreation is totally bogus. What about a man and a woman who are physically incapable of having children; or who choose not to have children for the sake of following a career; or who are too old to have children? Marriage (the relationship) between people of the same sex was formally recognised long before the time of Christ, in many different civilisations. The definition of marriage belongs to no-one. Not God, not the Pope, not the Anglican Church, and not the government. The definition of marriage belongs to the people getting married -it is their "intellectual property". As long as they act within the law, it should be of no concern to anyone. Welcome to Bolton, a town of open hearts and open minds. Puffin-Billy
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11:13pm Fri 14 Dec 12

kazooki says...

Christianity:
One woman's lie about having an affair that got seriously out of hand.
Christianity: One woman's lie about having an affair that got seriously out of hand. kazooki
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12:55am Sat 15 Dec 12

macauley says...

pardon the pun.but this is all my backside.
pardon the pun.but this is all my backside. macauley
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11:10am Sat 15 Dec 12

Hough64 says...

macauley wrote:
Hough64 wrote:
Berushka is what is commonly known as a troll. And you know what the saying is....Do not feed the trolls. If people ignore ignore him he might just go away...for good hopefully.
I THINK IT IS WRONG THAT IT IS EVEN THOUGHT OF FOR MEN TO MARRY MEN IN A CHURCH..........UNLE

SS IT IS IN FARNWORTH.......OR EAGLEY BANK WERE ANYTHING GOES.
Anything goes does it? Am assuming that your idea is that we all put our car keys in a bowl etc etc. It might in some houses but certainly not in mine, although now i think about it I might just give it a go :-)
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: Berushka is what is commonly known as a troll. And you know what the saying is....Do not feed the trolls. If people ignore ignore him he might just go away...for good hopefully.[/p][/quote]I THINK IT IS WRONG THAT IT IS EVEN THOUGHT OF FOR MEN TO MARRY MEN IN A CHURCH..........UNLE SS IT IS IN FARNWORTH.......OR EAGLEY BANK WERE ANYTHING GOES.[/p][/quote]Anything goes does it? Am assuming that your idea is that we all put our car keys in a bowl etc etc. It might in some houses but certainly not in mine, although now i think about it I might just give it a go :-) Hough64
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12:54pm Sat 15 Dec 12

macauley says...

i was waiting for you to chip in hough,very droll.
i was waiting for you to chip in hough,very droll. macauley
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1:03pm Sat 15 Dec 12

macauley says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Send Beruska to the moon? Yep, good idea and send macauley as well for company.
IME FINE WITH THAT,BUT PLEASE SEND ME WITH FEMALE COMPANY SO WE CAN TALK STRAIGHT AT LEAST.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Send Beruska to the moon? Yep, good idea and send macauley as well for company.[/p][/quote]IME FINE WITH THAT,BUT PLEASE SEND ME WITH FEMALE COMPANY SO WE CAN TALK STRAIGHT AT LEAST. macauley
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1:31pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Hough64 says...

macauley wrote:
i was waiting for you to chip in hough,very droll.
Well seeing as it was obviously aimed at me of course I am going to chip in.
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: i was waiting for you to chip in hough,very droll.[/p][/quote]Well seeing as it was obviously aimed at me of course I am going to chip in. Hough64
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1:31pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Hough64 says...

macauley wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Send Beruska to the moon? Yep, good idea and send macauley as well for company.
IME FINE WITH THAT,BUT PLEASE SEND ME WITH FEMALE COMPANY SO WE CAN TALK STRAIGHT AT LEAST.
You dont appear to very popular on here love, I wonder why that is?
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Send Beruska to the moon? Yep, good idea and send macauley as well for company.[/p][/quote]IME FINE WITH THAT,BUT PLEASE SEND ME WITH FEMALE COMPANY SO WE CAN TALK STRAIGHT AT LEAST.[/p][/quote]You dont appear to very popular on here love, I wonder why that is? Hough64
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4:29pm Sat 15 Dec 12

macauley says...

Hough64 wrote:
macauley wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote: Send Beruska to the moon? Yep, good idea and send macauley as well for company.
IME FINE WITH THAT,BUT PLEASE SEND ME WITH FEMALE COMPANY SO WE CAN TALK STRAIGHT AT LEAST.
You dont appear to very popular on here love, I wonder why that is?
ime never hough am i.maybe something to do with me thinking farnworth is a dive.
[quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Send Beruska to the moon? Yep, good idea and send macauley as well for company.[/p][/quote]IME FINE WITH THAT,BUT PLEASE SEND ME WITH FEMALE COMPANY SO WE CAN TALK STRAIGHT AT LEAST.[/p][/quote]You dont appear to very popular on here love, I wonder why that is?[/p][/quote]ime never hough am i.maybe something to do with me thinking farnworth is a dive. macauley
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4:49pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Hough64 says...

Speak English please. I cannot understand a word of that, so as well as being an idiot, you are an illiterate idiot!!
Speak English please. I cannot understand a word of that, so as well as being an idiot, you are an illiterate idiot!! Hough64
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1:02am Sun 16 Dec 12

macauley says...

Hough64 wrote:
Speak English please. I cannot understand a word of that, so as well as being an idiot, you are an illiterate idiot!!
sorry mate i thought i was in the shuttle still not the duncar golf club.
[quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: Speak English please. I cannot understand a word of that, so as well as being an idiot, you are an illiterate idiot!![/p][/quote]sorry mate i thought i was in the shuttle still not the duncar golf club. macauley
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8:38am Sun 16 Dec 12

Hough64 says...

macauley wrote:
Hough64 wrote:
Speak English please. I cannot understand a word of that, so as well as being an idiot, you are an illiterate idiot!!
sorry mate i thought i was in the shuttle still not the duncar golf club.
Think you mean Dunscar, as I said before, illiterate idiot.
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: Speak English please. I cannot understand a word of that, so as well as being an idiot, you are an illiterate idiot!![/p][/quote]sorry mate i thought i was in the shuttle still not the duncar golf club.[/p][/quote]Think you mean Dunscar, as I said before, illiterate idiot. Hough64
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1:02pm Sun 16 Dec 12

macauley says...

Hough64 wrote:
macauley wrote:
Hough64 wrote: Speak English please. I cannot understand a word of that, so as well as being an idiot, you are an illiterate idiot!!
sorry mate i thought i was in the shuttle still not the duncar golf club.
Think you mean Dunscar, as I said before, illiterate idiot.
spell it how you want you still know what it is.get yourself off for your visit to farnworth so you can be out of there before dark.
[quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: Speak English please. I cannot understand a word of that, so as well as being an idiot, you are an illiterate idiot!![/p][/quote]sorry mate i thought i was in the shuttle still not the duncar golf club.[/p][/quote]Think you mean Dunscar, as I said before, illiterate idiot.[/p][/quote]spell it how you want you still know what it is.get yourself off for your visit to farnworth so you can be out of there before dark. macauley
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