Thieves rip up 100-year-old paving stones at Bolton Parish Church

9:22am Wednesday 30th January 2013 in News

Thieves rip up 100-year-old paving stones at Bolton Parish Church Thieves rip up 100-year-old paving stones at Bolton Parish Church

A CONGREGATION has been left “horrified” after thieves stole valuable 100-year-old paving stones from Bolton Parish Church.

Twenty-five slabs of York paving stone have been ripped up from the path leading to the church.

The theft happened between 5pm last Wednesday and 11.30am on Thursday.

The theft of the stones, which can fetch up to £90 per square yard at reclaimers, has caused outrage amongst members of the congregation.

The vicar of Bolton, the Rev Matthew Thompson, said: “It is very unfortunate and frustrating this has happened because it is such a beautiful spot.

“The church and the yard is for the whole community and not just for our benefit.

“For it to be disfigured in that way is very frustrating. It will cost a great deal to make it safe and put it right.

“The stones are worth quite a lot of money and whoever did it has left quite a mess. We had to take swift action to make the area safe and fill in the space with gravel with the help of Bolton Council.”

The church was forced to install a roof alarm six months ago following a spate of lead thefts.

It is hoped the culprits of the latest theft, which took place between 5pm on Wednesday and 11.30am on Thursday, will be caught on CCTV footage from camera’s either on Silverwell Street, Church Gate or the system covering the church yard.

Cllr John Walsh, deputy church warden, said: “York paving stones are highly sought after and valuable. Everyone is horrified someone could commit this crime.

“The path forms a historic setting for one of the most beautiful buildings in the town. Those stones are more than 100 years old and we will never be able to put back that what was taken away.”

The theft comes just over a month after 400-year-old paving stones were stolen from grade II listed Haulgh Hall in Hilden Street. The historic building is thought to be the oldest in Bolton.

Bolton Civic Trust chairman, Brian Tetlow, said he has also fallen victim to paving stone thieves.

Mr Tetlow added: “It can be quite an expensive operation to source authentic flags from reclaimers, which is why they are stolen.

“I have had some stolen myself four times over the years. It is happening all over the place unfortunately and it is very sad that it is happening to historic buildings in Bolton.”

A police spokesperson said: “Our inquiries into this incident are ongoing.”

Comments (55)

9:33am Wed 30 Jan 13

oftbewildered2 says...

a sad sign of the times - no respect for anything. Hope CCTV catches the vehicle.
a sad sign of the times - no respect for anything. Hope CCTV catches the vehicle. oftbewildered2

9:58am Wed 30 Jan 13

zoomzam says...

This is sick! Desperate and sick people around....don't want to work! Sad times!
This is sick! Desperate and sick people around....don't want to work! Sad times! zoomzam

10:29am Wed 30 Jan 13

xxenigmaxx says...

Absolutely disgusting people have no respect anymore. Now were where the police why this was happening??? Eating hobnobs I suppose!!!! and no one saw a thing as usual I guess in the time scale it took to lift all those flags or bothered to report it if they did. Lets hope they catch them sooner rather than later
Absolutely disgusting people have no respect anymore. Now were where the police why this was happening??? Eating hobnobs I suppose!!!! and no one saw a thing as usual I guess in the time scale it took to lift all those flags or bothered to report it if they did. Lets hope they catch them sooner rather than later xxenigmaxx

10:29am Wed 30 Jan 13

xxenigmaxx says...

Absolutely disgusting people have no respect anymore. Now were where the police why this was happening??? Eating hobnobs I suppose!!!! and no one saw a thing as usual I guess in the time scale it took to lift all those flags or bothered to report it if they did. Lets hope they catch them sooner rather than later
Absolutely disgusting people have no respect anymore. Now were where the police why this was happening??? Eating hobnobs I suppose!!!! and no one saw a thing as usual I guess in the time scale it took to lift all those flags or bothered to report it if they did. Lets hope they catch them sooner rather than later xxenigmaxx

10:50am Wed 30 Jan 13

MarkP27 says...

I am truly stunned by this story - the thieves must have the only vehicle on record to enter Bolton town centre and escape without a parking ticket!!!
I am truly stunned by this story - the thieves must have the only vehicle on record to enter Bolton town centre and escape without a parking ticket!!! MarkP27

11:00am Wed 30 Jan 13

Harry-Joe says...

I bet they are back to take the rest over the next few weeks.
I bet they are back to take the rest over the next few weeks. Harry-Joe

11:01am Wed 30 Jan 13

mrdaviddixon says...

Usual culprits live in caravans
Usual culprits live in caravans mrdaviddixon

11:04am Wed 30 Jan 13

berushka says...

MarkP27 wrote:
I am truly stunned by this story - the thieves must have the only vehicle on record to enter Bolton town centre and escape without a parking ticket!!!
Very good point! with all the traffic restrictions, and the obvious time and noise that would be involved, I am surprised that no-one saw this happening. Is Bolton dead at this time of evening? Let's hope these thieving morons are caught, but one might have to look along the East Lancashire Road for clues as to their final destination
[quote][p][bold]MarkP27[/bold] wrote: I am truly stunned by this story - the thieves must have the only vehicle on record to enter Bolton town centre and escape without a parking ticket!!![/p][/quote]Very good point! with all the traffic restrictions, and the obvious time and noise that would be involved, I am surprised that no-one saw this happening. Is Bolton dead at this time of evening? Let's hope these thieving morons are caught, but one might have to look along the East Lancashire Road for clues as to their final destination berushka

11:32am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hough64 says...

mrdaviddixon wrote:
Usual culprits live in caravans
Do you know something we dont? I suggest you tell the police seeing as you do!!
[quote][p][bold]mrdaviddixon[/bold] wrote: Usual culprits live in caravans[/p][/quote]Do you know something we dont? I suggest you tell the police seeing as you do!! Hough64

12:21pm Wed 30 Jan 13

cliff4treasurer says...

I suspect the police already know so no need to tell them.
I suspect the police already know so no need to tell them. cliff4treasurer

1:07pm Wed 30 Jan 13

marco999 says...

So very sad that this can happen. Dearly hope the scum can be caught.
So very sad that this can happen. Dearly hope the scum can be caught. marco999

1:43pm Wed 30 Jan 13

boltonnut says...

When ever I visit my home town of Bolton I take a stroll around the Parish church.There's a resting place for a man killed by ( savage wild Indians) in America,a resting place for a man killed by a savage wild lion in Africa.In other words alot of history is contained within the church grounds.Not only is this a sacred place to some it's also an icon to the town,it can be seen from miles around.The scumans who stole the stones obviously have no scruples of any kind.The sad part is,if and when these @sshole are caught they will receive the cursory penalty 100 hours community work 100 quid fine, payable out of the moneythey made from the stones.Sad.
When ever I visit my home town of Bolton I take a stroll around the Parish church.There's a resting place for a man killed by ( savage wild Indians) in America,a resting place for a man killed by a savage wild lion in Africa.In other words alot of history is contained within the church grounds.Not only is this a sacred place to some it's also an icon to the town,it can be seen from miles around.The scumans who stole the stones obviously have no scruples of any kind.The sad part is,if and when these @sshole are caught they will receive the cursory penalty 100 hours community work 100 quid fine, payable out of the moneythey made from the stones.Sad. boltonnut

4:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

davoovad says...

mrdaviddixon wrote:
Usual culprits live in caravans
Yep....
[quote][p][bold]mrdaviddixon[/bold] wrote: Usual culprits live in caravans[/p][/quote]Yep.... davoovad

4:31pm Wed 30 Jan 13

questionairre says...

Usual culprits live in caravans

Yep

Me too
No proof, but has the hallmarks of transit van driving, caravan living, rubbish tipping, hi-viz wearing section of our community.
Usual culprits live in caravans Yep Me too No proof, but has the hallmarks of transit van driving, caravan living, rubbish tipping, hi-viz wearing section of our community. questionairre

4:37pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Wigan Trotter says...

Tinkers or East Europeans in my book!
Tinkers or East Europeans in my book! Wigan Trotter

7:45pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Citizen Cane says...

marco999 wrote:
So very sad that this can happen. Dearly hope the scum can be caught.
should be able to when the culprit is towing...
[quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: So very sad that this can happen. Dearly hope the scum can be caught.[/p][/quote]should be able to when the culprit is towing... Citizen Cane

8:44pm Wed 30 Jan 13

mrdaviddixon says...

As everyone says 'it is very sad' but Bolton Council have done far worse over recent years demolishing buildings or letting them go to ruin so they have an excuse to get rid of and sell the land to the highest bidder,
I once contacted Bolton Council to ask which buildings were due to be demolished so I could go photograph them before work was to take place...they said no demolitions were planned a couple of months later two schools and a mill were gone, luckily I had already been to photograph them, sometimes when the Heritage Society get wind of a demolition and take it to court the building gets burned by some arsonists and then has to be demolished to make it safe......who were the arsonists employed by ??????
As everyone says 'it is very sad' but Bolton Council have done far worse over recent years demolishing buildings or letting them go to ruin so they have an excuse to get rid of and sell the land to the highest bidder, I once contacted Bolton Council to ask which buildings were due to be demolished so I could go photograph them before work was to take place...they said no demolitions were planned a couple of months later two schools and a mill were gone, luckily I had already been to photograph them, sometimes when the Heritage Society get wind of a demolition and take it to court the building gets burned by some arsonists and then has to be demolished to make it safe......who were the arsonists employed by ?????? mrdaviddixon

9:06pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Comment777 says...

Mr Hitler had some very good ideas...pity some of them did not come to fruition, this kind of thing would not happen if things had turned out differently!!!!
Mr Hitler had some very good ideas...pity some of them did not come to fruition, this kind of thing would not happen if things had turned out differently!!!! Comment777

10:00pm Wed 30 Jan 13

boltonnut says...

Comment777, I totaly agree with you.Iv'e often got in trouble by voiceing this opinion.Some people take it as pro nazi feelings,it's not,it is the point that Adolph would have let things get so bad.My father who served in WW11,had similar feelings I believe.World leaders today **** foot around,I say drop the hammer when necessary,wipe out the crap.
Comment777, I totaly agree with you.Iv'e often got in trouble by voiceing this opinion.Some people take it as pro nazi feelings,it's not,it is the point that Adolph would have let things get so bad.My father who served in WW11,had similar feelings I believe.World leaders today **** foot around,I say drop the hammer when necessary,wipe out the crap. boltonnut

11:03pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Andyroost says...

would it not have been better to check the cctv and put the pics on here to let people identify the scumbags, someone is buying these and the van should be on their cctv, problem is most of these yards are just as corrupt.
would it not have been better to check the cctv and put the pics on here to let people identify the scumbags, someone is buying these and the van should be on their cctv, problem is most of these yards are just as corrupt. Andyroost

12:01am Thu 31 Jan 13

ARBEE says...

A friend in yorkshire has a scrap yard,
when he takes scrap from people he
weighs it, tells them how much it is worth then gives a receipt,and then tells
to come back in a week for the cash,he
reckons his business has dropped off
considerably,but what he takes is honest scrap.
A friend in yorkshire has a scrap yard, when he takes scrap from people he weighs it, tells them how much it is worth then gives a receipt,and then tells to come back in a week for the cash,he reckons his business has dropped off considerably,but what he takes is honest scrap. ARBEE

8:34am Thu 31 Jan 13

yonmons says...

MarkP27 wrote:
I am truly stunned by this story - the thieves must have the only vehicle on record to enter Bolton town centre and escape without a parking ticket!!!
Sign of the times, and a good point well made ! It is beyond me how this can happen and perhaps shows up the fact that there are no Police Patrols about on nights, people probably think there are lots of officers about but alas that is not the case. Thieves are thieves and will take anything if its not nailed down
[quote][p][bold]MarkP27[/bold] wrote: I am truly stunned by this story - the thieves must have the only vehicle on record to enter Bolton town centre and escape without a parking ticket!!![/p][/quote]Sign of the times, and a good point well made ! It is beyond me how this can happen and perhaps shows up the fact that there are no Police Patrols about on nights, people probably think there are lots of officers about but alas that is not the case. Thieves are thieves and will take anything if its not nailed down yonmons

10:32am Thu 31 Jan 13

berushka says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
Tinkers or East Europeans in my book!
explain yourself! Eastern Europeans are no worse than you, and in a lot of cases, far better. Crime in my part of Eastern Europe is almost zero, pity we cannot say the same about your neck of the woods, because without daily reports of theft, rapes, mugging, benefit fraud, an offender dropping a toffee paper in the town centre, brawls in pubs, council official fiddling expences etc. etc., there would hardly be anything to fill the BN!
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Tinkers or East Europeans in my book![/p][/quote]explain yourself! Eastern Europeans are no worse than you, and in a lot of cases, far better. Crime in my part of Eastern Europe is almost zero, pity we cannot say the same about your neck of the woods, because without daily reports of theft, rapes, mugging, benefit fraud, an offender dropping a toffee paper in the town centre, brawls in pubs, council official fiddling expences etc. etc., there would hardly be anything to fill the BN! berushka

12:22pm Thu 31 Jan 13

mrdaviddixon says...

Best thing for the church now is to get a dealer in and sell the remaining slabs for a nice tidy profit and renew the path with a safer surface and use the money for repairs, might as well because they will be back for the rest.
At the end of the day 100 years old is not all that old even though they are much sought after, when the church was rebuilt in the 1860s these flags were not even there so they are comparatively new compared to other things in the church yard, Bolton Council does it all the time !!!
Best thing for the church now is to get a dealer in and sell the remaining slabs for a nice tidy profit and renew the path with a safer surface and use the money for repairs, might as well because they will be back for the rest. At the end of the day 100 years old is not all that old even though they are much sought after, when the church was rebuilt in the 1860s these flags were not even there so they are comparatively new compared to other things in the church yard, Bolton Council does it all the time !!! mrdaviddixon

2:33pm Thu 31 Jan 13

myfanwy7 says...

Comment777 wrote:
Mr Hitler had some very good ideas...pity some of them did not come to fruition, this kind of thing would not happen if things had turned out differently!!!!
Are you referring to genocide, illegal invasions, eugenics or the establishment of a police state? Yes Mr Hitler was full of good ideas! You sir win the award for the most moronic comment of the week, which is saying something on a site like this.
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: Mr Hitler had some very good ideas...pity some of them did not come to fruition, this kind of thing would not happen if things had turned out differently!!!![/p][/quote]Are you referring to genocide, illegal invasions, eugenics or the establishment of a police state? Yes Mr Hitler was full of good ideas! You sir win the award for the most moronic comment of the week, which is saying something on a site like this. myfanwy7

6:22pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Don Kiddick says...

Good luck to them, pity they didn't take the whole church to prevent it spreading its stinking, vile religious practices.
Good luck to them, pity they didn't take the whole church to prevent it spreading its stinking, vile religious practices. Don Kiddick

6:53pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Don Kiddick says...

In fact, if the church was removed then all those self-serving, self-richeous a****holes who use it can get off their fat, lazy backsides and go do some work in the town centre instead of standing in front of some pompous baboon dressed in ridiculous vestments trying to gain favour from some mythical being in the sky because they're too stupid ot too scared to break free and think for themselves.
In fact, if the church was removed then all those self-serving, self-richeous a****holes who use it can get off their fat, lazy backsides and go do some work in the town centre instead of standing in front of some pompous baboon dressed in ridiculous vestments trying to gain favour from some mythical being in the sky because they're too stupid ot too scared to break free and think for themselves. Don Kiddick

8:38pm Thu 31 Jan 13

genesis22 says...

Bolton Police previously had 5 foot patrols on town centre beats, meaning an officer would pass by the church at least every 2 hours. What is the current number of foot patrols ? possibly nil - everything done by mobile patrols reacting to incidents after the event - useless policy
Bolton Police previously had 5 foot patrols on town centre beats, meaning an officer would pass by the church at least every 2 hours. What is the current number of foot patrols ? possibly nil - everything done by mobile patrols reacting to incidents after the event - useless policy genesis22

1:11am Fri 1 Feb 13

ARBEE says...

Would Kiddick have the guts to rubbish the imported radicals, he would need
round the clock protection like Salmond Rushdie, put your brain into gear before making remarks like this you dork.
Would Kiddick have the guts to rubbish the imported radicals, he would need round the clock protection like Salmond Rushdie, put your brain into gear before making remarks like this you dork. ARBEE

9:23am Fri 1 Feb 13

Don Kiddick says...

ARBEE wrote:
Would Kiddick have the guts to rubbish the imported radicals, he would need round the clock protection like Salmond Rushdie, put your brain into gear before making remarks like this you dork.
nob
[quote][p][bold]ARBEE[/bold] wrote: Would Kiddick have the guts to rubbish the imported radicals, he would need round the clock protection like Salmond Rushdie, put your brain into gear before making remarks like this you dork.[/p][/quote]nob Don Kiddick

9:36am Fri 1 Feb 13

mrdaviddixon says...

If Kiddick is only commenting to wind you all up then its better just to leave him alone, if his views are real then no doubt he will get dealt with sometime in the future
If Kiddick is only commenting to wind you all up then its better just to leave him alone, if his views are real then no doubt he will get dealt with sometime in the future mrdaviddixon

1:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13

berushka says...

Kiddick has a point, though. There is no such thing as a god, just an invention by man to scare and control the simple-minded serfs. Today, the religions are run by the simple-minded folk! But they can think enough to beg borrow or steal money, for the upkeep of their buildings as they say, yet some of them are the richest organisations on the planet. Just thin of all the housing that could be provided if these monstrous churchy buildings were redeveloped.
Kiddick has a point, though. There is no such thing as a god, just an invention by man to scare and control the simple-minded serfs. Today, the religions are run by the simple-minded folk! But they can think enough to beg borrow or steal money, for the upkeep of their buildings as they say, yet some of them are the richest organisations on the planet. Just thin of all the housing that could be provided if these monstrous churchy buildings were redeveloped. berushka

3:18pm Fri 1 Feb 13

colournature says...

obviously people have no respect for our history anymore, when you find out that people in your family tree dug stones up more that 100 years ago in quarries and transported them here , many of them started work abt 13 yrs of age , and many died. i would be very interested to find out about this history here and if anyone in their family can go back and find that their ancestors laid stones in the Parish Church , these stones are probably where our families walked on many years ago to get married and baptised.
I hope that they find the culprits and - how would they have been punished 100 years ago ?

from a historian and fomer researcher
obviously people have no respect for our history anymore, when you find out that people in your family tree dug stones up more that 100 years ago in quarries and transported them here , many of them started work abt 13 yrs of age , and many died. i would be very interested to find out about this history here and if anyone in their family can go back and find that their ancestors laid stones in the Parish Church , these stones are probably where our families walked on many years ago to get married and baptised. I hope that they find the culprits and - how would they have been punished 100 years ago ? from a historian and fomer researcher colournature

4:40pm Fri 1 Feb 13

judyben says...

berushka wrote:
Kiddick has a point, though. There is no such thing as a god, just an invention by man to scare and control the simple-minded serfs. Today, the religions are run by the simple-minded folk! But they can think enough to beg borrow or steal money, for the upkeep of their buildings as they say, yet some of them are the richest organisations on the planet. Just thin of all the housing that could be provided if these monstrous churchy buildings were redeveloped.
Thanks --what a great idea. Knock down the Parish Church and lots of other fantastic pieces of our architectural heritage (ecclesiastical of course) and /or convert them into flats so that money will go to the real gods in our society--greedy developers and landlords and those who worship money. Perhaps you could try this idea out on the powers that be in the Utopia you have moved to! Sad you do not live and let live even if you do not respect the views of people's faiths (or is it just Christians you like to mock?)
[quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: Kiddick has a point, though. There is no such thing as a god, just an invention by man to scare and control the simple-minded serfs. Today, the religions are run by the simple-minded folk! But they can think enough to beg borrow or steal money, for the upkeep of their buildings as they say, yet some of them are the richest organisations on the planet. Just thin of all the housing that could be provided if these monstrous churchy buildings were redeveloped.[/p][/quote]Thanks --what a great idea. Knock down the Parish Church and lots of other fantastic pieces of our architectural heritage (ecclesiastical of course) and /or convert them into flats so that money will go to the real gods in our society--greedy developers and landlords and those who worship money. Perhaps you could try this idea out on the powers that be in the Utopia you have moved to! Sad you do not live and let live even if you do not respect the views of people's faiths (or is it just Christians you like to mock?) judyben

5:38pm Fri 1 Feb 13

boltonnut says...

Zero crime in your part of europe you say berushka,thats aload of crap!For the last six decades eastern europeans have been practicing racial genocide, religious genocide probably the lack of crime is the fact that every one has been murdered or moved to the UK.
Zero crime in your part of europe you say berushka,thats aload of crap!For the last six decades eastern europeans have been practicing racial genocide, religious genocide probably the lack of crime is the fact that every one has been murdered or moved to the UK. boltonnut

6:56pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Don Kiddick says...

Marriage and baptism - those two pillars of our great society. Both ridiculous man-made notions designed to control the stupid, uneducated masses. If the pompous a***e in charge of the church couldn't be bothered to make adequate security provisions then more fool him - perhaps he needed new garish gowns with the cash trawled from the mindless trolls sitting in the pews. Maybe god just needed a new patio? Your god supposedly see everything so it must have seen Groundforce! I guess those bathing in the glory of their god will find that a ridiclulous notion - but thats only because it doesn't fit with their brain-washed, sheep brain mentality. Wow - no lightning bolt yet!
Marriage and baptism - those two pillars of our great society. Both ridiculous man-made notions designed to control the stupid, uneducated masses. If the pompous a***e in charge of the church couldn't be bothered to make adequate security provisions then more fool him - perhaps he needed new garish gowns with the cash trawled from the mindless trolls sitting in the pews. Maybe god just needed a new patio? Your god supposedly see everything so it must have seen Groundforce! I guess those bathing in the glory of their god will find that a ridiclulous notion - but thats only because it doesn't fit with their brain-washed, sheep brain mentality. Wow - no lightning bolt yet! Don Kiddick

6:59pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Don Kiddick says...

croak - croak - croak - b******s ! I appear to have been morphed into a frog ! jeez, there must be a god afterall ! eeeyaw eeeeeyaw eeeeeeyaw.
croak - croak - croak - b******s ! I appear to have been morphed into a frog ! jeez, there must be a god afterall ! eeeyaw eeeeeyaw eeeeeeyaw. Don Kiddick

9:26pm Fri 1 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
Tinkers or East Europeans in my book!
Or white heterosexual middle-class English scumbags out to make a profit!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Tinkers or East Europeans in my book![/p][/quote]Or white heterosexual middle-class English scumbags out to make a profit!!! BWFC71

10:04pm Fri 1 Feb 13

davoovad says...

berushka wrote:
Wigan Trotter wrote:
Tinkers or East Europeans in my book!
explain yourself! Eastern Europeans are no worse than you, and in a lot of cases, far better. Crime in my part of Eastern Europe is almost zero, pity we cannot say the same about your neck of the woods, because without daily reports of theft, rapes, mugging, benefit fraud, an offender dropping a toffee paper in the town centre, brawls in pubs, council official fiddling expences etc. etc., there would hardly be anything to fill the BN!
Tell me if i'm wrong but you dont live in eastern europe and you have lived the vast majority of your life elsewhere, probably in the uk, am i wrong ?
[quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Tinkers or East Europeans in my book![/p][/quote]explain yourself! Eastern Europeans are no worse than you, and in a lot of cases, far better. Crime in my part of Eastern Europe is almost zero, pity we cannot say the same about your neck of the woods, because without daily reports of theft, rapes, mugging, benefit fraud, an offender dropping a toffee paper in the town centre, brawls in pubs, council official fiddling expences etc. etc., there would hardly be anything to fill the BN![/p][/quote]Tell me if i'm wrong but you dont live in eastern europe and you have lived the vast majority of your life elsewhere, probably in the uk, am i wrong ? davoovad

10:13pm Fri 1 Feb 13

davoovad says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
Marriage and baptism - those two pillars of our great society. Both ridiculous man-made notions designed to control the stupid, uneducated masses. If the pompous a***e in charge of the church couldn't be bothered to make adequate security provisions then more fool him - perhaps he needed new garish gowns with the cash trawled from the mindless trolls sitting in the pews. Maybe god just needed a new patio? Your god supposedly see everything so it must have seen Groundforce! I guess those bathing in the glory of their god will find that a ridiclulous notion - but thats only because it doesn't fit with their brain-washed, sheep brain mentality. Wow - no lightning bolt yet!
As for you swampy we get it, you are a new age type person who refuses to be bound by convention, but if i were you i would let the downfall of the christian church take care of itself and start worrying about the mosque's popping up on every other street, now that's frightening !!
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: Marriage and baptism - those two pillars of our great society. Both ridiculous man-made notions designed to control the stupid, uneducated masses. If the pompous a***e in charge of the church couldn't be bothered to make adequate security provisions then more fool him - perhaps he needed new garish gowns with the cash trawled from the mindless trolls sitting in the pews. Maybe god just needed a new patio? Your god supposedly see everything so it must have seen Groundforce! I guess those bathing in the glory of their god will find that a ridiclulous notion - but thats only because it doesn't fit with their brain-washed, sheep brain mentality. Wow - no lightning bolt yet![/p][/quote]As for you swampy we get it, you are a new age type person who refuses to be bound by convention, but if i were you i would let the downfall of the christian church take care of itself and start worrying about the mosque's popping up on every other street, now that's frightening !! davoovad

10:16am Sat 2 Feb 13

berushka says...

davoovad wrote:
berushka wrote:
Wigan Trotter wrote:
Tinkers or East Europeans in my book!
explain yourself! Eastern Europeans are no worse than you, and in a lot of cases, far better. Crime in my part of Eastern Europe is almost zero, pity we cannot say the same about your neck of the woods, because without daily reports of theft, rapes, mugging, benefit fraud, an offender dropping a toffee paper in the town centre, brawls in pubs, council official fiddling expences etc. etc., there would hardly be anything to fill the BN!
Tell me if i'm wrong but you dont live in eastern europe and you have lived the vast majority of your life elsewhere, probably in the uk, am i wrong ?
yes, you are wrong! I have lived in many parts of the world, but spent the first twenty in Bolton, where I was born. I am saddened by the way Bolton has sunk into the quagmire. Now I reside in Eastern Europe.Here people have a wiser idea of the power of universal thinking and hope, and don't need the jabberings of some pompous, over-dressed geezer telling us how much his god loves us if we have faith in just his religion and no-one else's, and put a few bob in his coffers. And it is true that crime is far far below the level of England, and Bolton in particular, which seems to revel in the daily stories of misery, hardship and despair.
[quote][p][bold]davoovad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]berushka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Tinkers or East Europeans in my book![/p][/quote]explain yourself! Eastern Europeans are no worse than you, and in a lot of cases, far better. Crime in my part of Eastern Europe is almost zero, pity we cannot say the same about your neck of the woods, because without daily reports of theft, rapes, mugging, benefit fraud, an offender dropping a toffee paper in the town centre, brawls in pubs, council official fiddling expences etc. etc., there would hardly be anything to fill the BN![/p][/quote]Tell me if i'm wrong but you dont live in eastern europe and you have lived the vast majority of your life elsewhere, probably in the uk, am i wrong ?[/p][/quote]yes, you are wrong! I have lived in many parts of the world, but spent the first twenty in Bolton, where I was born. I am saddened by the way Bolton has sunk into the quagmire. Now I reside in Eastern Europe.Here people have a wiser idea of the power of universal thinking and hope, and don't need the jabberings of some pompous, over-dressed geezer telling us how much his god loves us if we have faith in just his religion and no-one else's, and put a few bob in his coffers. And it is true that crime is far far below the level of England, and Bolton in particular, which seems to revel in the daily stories of misery, hardship and despair. berushka

12:29pm Sat 2 Feb 13

JustBecause says...

Who ever it is they are scum, theft is theft, they should get 10years hard labour if caught.

Or chop of a hand
Who ever it is they are scum, theft is theft, they should get 10years hard labour if caught. Or chop of a hand JustBecause

1:58pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Don Kiddick says...

yeh, that's it - chop off their limbs ! that'll teach the light-fingered tykes! What punishment then for the christians who've killed on a scale hitler couldn't even have dreamt of? what then for pedophile priests? what then for the spread of HIV in and beyond Africa due to the christian stance on condoms? what about the atheist mother theresa and the stolen money she would not return and the sick she needlesly kept in squalor? you sit behind your keyboards whinging about a few stone flags as if it's something important. No-one has commited mass-murder, genocide and theft on the scale of the self-serving religious - christians included. If the pompous fool in charge thinks his religion should be respected by everybody and is above crime and about law - he now knows differently. He might be stupid enough to think his church is sacred, not everybody else does.
yeh, that's it - chop off their limbs ! that'll teach the light-fingered tykes! What punishment then for the christians who've killed on a scale hitler couldn't even have dreamt of? what then for pedophile priests? what then for the spread of HIV in and beyond Africa due to the christian stance on condoms? what about the atheist mother theresa and the stolen money she would not return and the sick she needlesly kept in squalor? you sit behind your keyboards whinging about a few stone flags as if it's something important. No-one has commited mass-murder, genocide and theft on the scale of the self-serving religious - christians included. If the pompous fool in charge thinks his religion should be respected by everybody and is above crime and about law - he now knows differently. He might be stupid enough to think his church is sacred, not everybody else does. Don Kiddick

7:14pm Sat 2 Feb 13

rostron says...

the sane eastern europeans have shipped the theiving ones to here! They appear on every police programme, As soon as arrested, you get,"I know my rights" . The worst bit is when they use the kids for begging !
the sane eastern europeans have shipped the theiving ones to here! They appear on every police programme, As soon as arrested, you get,"I know my rights" . The worst bit is when they use the kids for begging ! rostron

1:21am Sun 3 Feb 13

ARBEE says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
croak - croak - croak - b******s ! I appear to have been morphed into a frog ! jeez, there must be a god afterall ! eeeyaw eeeeeyaw eeeeeeyaw.
the asylum should have a head count,
I think they will find one missing.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: croak - croak - croak - b******s ! I appear to have been morphed into a frog ! jeez, there must be a god afterall ! eeeyaw eeeeeyaw eeeeeeyaw.[/p][/quote]the asylum should have a head count, I think they will find one missing. ARBEE

10:03pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Don Kiddick says...

ARBEE wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
croak - croak - croak - b******s ! I appear to have been morphed into a frog ! jeez, there must be a god afterall ! eeeyaw eeeeeyaw eeeeeeyaw.
the asylum should have a head count,
I think they will find one missing.
Ummm, an over-inflated sense of your own importance and value combined with an over-arching air of smuggness - I'm guessing then you're a worshipper. Hallelujah !
[quote][p][bold]ARBEE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: croak - croak - croak - b******s ! I appear to have been morphed into a frog ! jeez, there must be a god afterall ! eeeyaw eeeeeyaw eeeeeeyaw.[/p][/quote]the asylum should have a head count, I think they will find one missing.[/p][/quote]Ummm, an over-inflated sense of your own importance and value combined with an over-arching air of smuggness - I'm guessing then you're a worshipper. Hallelujah ! Don Kiddick

11:37pm Sun 3 Feb 13

colournature says...

Least we forget the past...

in the past battles were fought so that people could actually practice Christianity....
im not a really worshipper but i beleive that in things past and that these things should be protected - this is a part of our history and every one in Bolton should recognise that - if they dont , then they havent been educated correctly
Least we forget the past... in the past battles were fought so that people could actually practice Christianity.... im not a really worshipper but i beleive that in things past and that these things should be protected - this is a part of our history and every one in Bolton should recognise that - if they dont , then they havent been educated correctly colournature

4:27am Mon 4 Feb 13

ARBEE says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
ARBEE wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
croak - croak - croak - b******s ! I appear to have been morphed into a frog ! jeez, there must be a god afterall ! eeeyaw eeeeeyaw eeeeeeyaw.
the asylum should have a head count,
I think they will find one missing.
Ummm, an over-inflated sense of your own importance and value combined with an over-arching air of smuggness - I'm guessing then you're a worshipper. Hallelujah !
Never been to church in my life dork, who helped you write your last few lines , they appeared almost intelligent.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARBEE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: croak - croak - croak - b******s ! I appear to have been morphed into a frog ! jeez, there must be a god afterall ! eeeyaw eeeeeyaw eeeeeeyaw.[/p][/quote]the asylum should have a head count, I think they will find one missing.[/p][/quote]Ummm, an over-inflated sense of your own importance and value combined with an over-arching air of smuggness - I'm guessing then you're a worshipper. Hallelujah ![/p][/quote]Never been to church in my life dork, who helped you write your last few lines , they appeared almost intelligent. ARBEE

7:33am Mon 4 Feb 13

Don Kiddick says...

They still do appear almost intelligent; they have not changed. Clearly, despite your very own personal god complex, the subtleties of grammar remain a mystery to you. It's almost as if you're re-interpreting things to suit your own pre-held notions; those your abusive parents infected you with when you trusted every word they said. Are you sure you are not a self-serving worshipper clamouring for the love and salvation promised by a mythical all-seeing being on the sky? Read Pascal Boyer, he knows more about you than even I do.
They still do appear almost intelligent; they have not changed. Clearly, despite your very own personal god complex, the subtleties of grammar remain a mystery to you. It's almost as if you're re-interpreting things to suit your own pre-held notions; those your abusive parents infected you with when you trusted every word they said. Are you sure you are not a self-serving worshipper clamouring for the love and salvation promised by a mythical all-seeing being on the sky? Read Pascal Boyer, he knows more about you than even I do. Don Kiddick

12:42pm Mon 4 Feb 13

boltoncity says...

Comment777 wrote:
Mr Hitler had some very good ideas...pity some of them did not come to fruition, this kind of thing would not happen if things had turned out differently!!!!
if youre from bolton then for the first time in my life im ashamed to be from this great town. what a moronic comment !!
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: Mr Hitler had some very good ideas...pity some of them did not come to fruition, this kind of thing would not happen if things had turned out differently!!!![/p][/quote]if youre from bolton then for the first time in my life im ashamed to be from this great town. what a moronic comment !! boltoncity

12:45pm Mon 4 Feb 13

boltoncity says...

boltoncity wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
Mr Hitler had some very good ideas...pity some of them did not come to fruition, this kind of thing would not happen if things had turned out differently!!!!
if youre from bolton then for the first time in my life im ashamed to be from this great town. what a moronic comment !!
how the hell do you know this crime wasnt commited by blue eyed blonde haired caucasians ? is that the world you are thinking of ? IDIOT!!
[quote][p][bold]boltoncity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: Mr Hitler had some very good ideas...pity some of them did not come to fruition, this kind of thing would not happen if things had turned out differently!!!![/p][/quote]if youre from bolton then for the first time in my life im ashamed to be from this great town. what a moronic comment !![/p][/quote]how the hell do you know this crime wasnt commited by blue eyed blonde haired caucasians ? is that the world you are thinking of ? IDIOT!! boltoncity

1:37am Tue 5 Feb 13

SpeedyMonkey says...

try the reclamation yards to see if they bought any recently? they wouldnt nick em if they wernt going to sell em?
try the reclamation yards to see if they bought any recently? they wouldnt nick em if they wernt going to sell em? SpeedyMonkey

8:03am Tue 5 Feb 13

Don Kiddick says...

SpeedyMonkey wrote:
try the reclamation yards to see if they bought any recently? they wouldnt nick em if they wernt going to sell em?
Genius
[quote][p][bold]SpeedyMonkey[/bold] wrote: try the reclamation yards to see if they bought any recently? they wouldnt nick em if they wernt going to sell em?[/p][/quote]Genius Don Kiddick

5:24pm Tue 5 Feb 13

colournature says...

yes i think so the reclamation yards , but rather a dodgy builder who has taken them to order.

Its someone strong and doesnt mind lifting things - maybe its annie with her one wheelie bin from the other discussion(sorry annie no offence)
yes i think so the reclamation yards , but rather a dodgy builder who has taken them to order. Its someone strong and doesnt mind lifting things - maybe its annie with her one wheelie bin from the other discussion(sorry annie no offence) colournature

12:20am Wed 6 Feb 13

ARBEE says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
They still do appear almost intelligent; they have not changed. Clearly, despite your very own personal god complex, the subtleties of grammar remain a mystery to you. It's almost as if you're re-interpreting things to suit your own pre-held notions; those your abusive parents infected you with when you trusted every word they said. Are you sure you are not a self-serving worshipper clamouring for the love and salvation promised by a mythical all-seeing being on the sky? Read Pascal Boyer, he knows more about you than even I do.
Hi dork, you appear to have a good opinion of yourself, I think you would
make a good brain donor, please !!!
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: They still do appear almost intelligent; they have not changed. Clearly, despite your very own personal god complex, the subtleties of grammar remain a mystery to you. It's almost as if you're re-interpreting things to suit your own pre-held notions; those your abusive parents infected you with when you trusted every word they said. Are you sure you are not a self-serving worshipper clamouring for the love and salvation promised by a mythical all-seeing being on the sky? Read Pascal Boyer, he knows more about you than even I do.[/p][/quote]Hi dork, you appear to have a good opinion of yourself, I think you would make a good brain donor, please !!! ARBEE

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