Final stop for bus station

A CONSULTANCY firm has been appointed to advise on the future of Bolton Bus Station.

Deloitte Real Estate was chosen by Transport for Greater Manchester to help Bolton Council attract developers for the site in Moor Lane.

The existing station will be vacated in 2015 when it will move to the proposed flagship £48 million transport interchange at Bolton Train Station.

Catherine Birks, from Deloitte Real Estate, said: “The relocation of the bus station to form part of the new transport interchange will improve the public transport links to and from the town centre.

“We have embarked on a thorough scoping exercise to recommend how the existing bus station site on Moor Lane should best be used in line with the strategic aspirations of Bolton Council. We will deliver our recommendations in advance of the site being marketed in order to attract the right developer.”

Full planning permission has already been granted for the interchange, which is due to open by spring 2015.

It will include a high-level pedestrian bridge between the train and bus station, as well as eco-friendly powersaving schemes and a cycle station. Some of its “green”

features include rainwater recycling, solar panels, air source heat pumps and low energy LED lighting.

The cycle station will include showers, changing cubicles and secure parking for bikes to encourage people to ride into the town centre.

The council says the project will provide better bus and rail links, as well as improved waiting areas, passenger facilities, accessibility, information, safety and security.

Bolton Council leader Cllr Cliff Morris said: “We are working hard to keep our town centre development programme moving in these difficult economic circumstances and this gateway site is a key part of our town centre strategy.

“The relocation of the bus station will free up central development space, and we will work closely with Transport for Greater Manchester and Deloitte Real Estate on identifying the most suitable use for the site and attracting the right developer.

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9:04am Sat 23 Feb 13

Phil from Smithills says...

We need to keep Moor Lane bus station, do the powers that be, not realise that. Its central and all buses can be ruited via Trinity St bus station.
We need to keep Moor Lane bus station, do the powers that be, not realise that. Its central and all buses can be ruited via Trinity St bus station. Phil from Smithills

9:18am Sat 23 Feb 13

oftbewildered2 says...

agree with Phil - either that or a direct shuttle to and from the market
agree with Phil - either that or a direct shuttle to and from the market oftbewildered2

11:41am Sat 23 Feb 13

Phil from Smithills says...

With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop.
.
No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city.
.
Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.
With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop. . No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city. . Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed. Phil from Smithills

12:03pm Sat 23 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

As Phil has said all that is needed are for the buses to be routed in and around the current Interchange and one does not need new legislation for that otherwise there would not be a ban on buses using The Crescent or going through certain street of Lostock - just a case of Bolton creating a one-way system for teh buses. Everyone knows that the council has no direct control over what bus companies does - especially with the commercially run bus routes - but they can direct their route in and route of the town centre with current legislation - so why not use that instead of wasting £40odd million pounds on moving the bus station, albeit the money is coming from TfGM and not Bolton Council - that money could be used to improve the pathetic bus network we currently have in the town with better subsidised routes!!!
As Phil has said all that is needed are for the buses to be routed in and around the current Interchange and one does not need new legislation for that otherwise there would not be a ban on buses using The Crescent or going through certain street of Lostock - just a case of Bolton creating a one-way system for teh buses. Everyone knows that the council has no direct control over what bus companies does - especially with the commercially run bus routes - but they can direct their route in and route of the town centre with current legislation - so why not use that instead of wasting £40odd million pounds on moving the bus station, albeit the money is coming from TfGM and not Bolton Council - that money could be used to improve the pathetic bus network we currently have in the town with better subsidised routes!!! BWFC71

12:24pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Phil from Smithills says...

I use the 519 bus, and when entering Trinity Street bus station it is void of people. To force people to use it, by closing Moor Lane is suicidal to Bolton town centre. Are these councillors blind to this?
I use the 519 bus, and when entering Trinity Street bus station it is void of people. To force people to use it, by closing Moor Lane is suicidal to Bolton town centre. Are these councillors blind to this? Phil from Smithills

2:13pm Sat 23 Feb 13

thealexweb says...

As someone who uses the Transpennine Express to go from Edinburgh to Bolton and then on to the 515 this is good news for me :)
As someone who uses the Transpennine Express to go from Edinburgh to Bolton and then on to the 515 this is good news for me :) thealexweb

2:24pm Sat 23 Feb 13

grimtown says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop.
.
No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city.
.
Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.
Well said

Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive.

The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop. . No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city. . Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.[/p][/quote]Well said Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive. The interchange will make a most arractive exit point. grimtown

2:33pm Sat 23 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

grimtown wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop.
.
No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city.
.
Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.
Well said

Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive.

The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.
Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus?

The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads.

the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.
[quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop. . No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city. . Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.[/p][/quote]Well said Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive. The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.[/p][/quote]Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus? The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads. the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators. BWFC71

5:39pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Hulton Park says...

A classic piece of tokenism.

Bolton Council has to prove it has managed to squeeze something out of the Greater Manchester behemoth - but it is a drop in the ocean compared with the millions going into the South Manchester tramlines (where there is already a direct rail link to the airport).

The current bus-rail interchange is only a few years old - are TfGM saying they got that wrong? Or was that a bit of tokenism, too? Likewise, the half-cocked station "refurb"?

If Bolton were a unitary authority, we could develop our own tramway to help draw investment into area in dire need of it.
A classic piece of tokenism. Bolton Council has to prove it has managed to squeeze something out of the Greater Manchester behemoth - but it is a drop in the ocean compared with the millions going into the South Manchester tramlines (where there is already a direct rail link to the airport). The current bus-rail interchange is only a few years old - are TfGM saying they got that wrong? Or was that a bit of tokenism, too? Likewise, the half-cocked station "refurb"? If Bolton were a unitary authority, we could develop our own tramway to help draw investment into area in dire need of it. Hulton Park

6:49pm Sat 23 Feb 13

grimtown says...

BWFC71 wrote:
grimtown wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop.
.
No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city.
.
Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.
Well said

Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive.

The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.
Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus?

The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads.

the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.
If you look at arrivas rolling stock queuing on Folds rd you would not be stating this the majority are 10 years old plus.

The term sweating the asset is wide spread with public transport in Bolton.The trains to bromley cross are standing room only just like cattle trains .
Not realy concernes about CO2 emissions what I want is clean warm and comfort inside. Especially at UK prices. Ps have you ever worked & travelled in Switzerland.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop. . No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city. . Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.[/p][/quote]Well said Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive. The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.[/p][/quote]Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus? The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads. the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.[/p][/quote]If you look at arrivas rolling stock queuing on Folds rd you would not be stating this the majority are 10 years old plus. The term sweating the asset is wide spread with public transport in Bolton.The trains to bromley cross are standing room only just like cattle trains . Not realy concernes about CO2 emissions what I want is clean warm and comfort inside. Especially at UK prices. Ps have you ever worked & travelled in Switzerland. grimtown

10:30pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Bob Shaftoe says...

"A CONSULTANCY firm has been appointed to advise on the future of Bolton Bus Station."

Just a costly camouflage operation.
I am alone in suspecting the site as already been bought by, sorry, penciled in for £esco?
"A CONSULTANCY firm has been appointed to advise on the future of Bolton Bus Station." Just a costly camouflage operation. I am alone in suspecting the site as already been bought by, sorry, penciled in for £esco? Bob Shaftoe

10:28am Sun 24 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

grimtown wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
grimtown wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop.
.
No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city.
.
Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.
Well said

Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive.

The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.
Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus?

The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads.

the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.
If you look at arrivas rolling stock queuing on Folds rd you would not be stating this the majority are 10 years old plus.

The term sweating the asset is wide spread with public transport in Bolton.The trains to bromley cross are standing room only just like cattle trains .
Not realy concernes about CO2 emissions what I want is clean warm and comfort inside. Especially at UK prices. Ps have you ever worked & travelled in Switzerland.
The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old.

TTrains, on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish. NorthernRail which operate along teh Blackburn line signed a franchise contract with teh Department for Transport which explicitly stated that Northern Rail was NOT allowed to buy any new rolling stock with prior permission from teh DfT - and every time Northern Rail has tried they have been turned down by the DfT on teh grounds that DfT will be giving new/second hand carriages to teh company once London have gained brand new carrriages. Another difference is in the Noreth East/Yorkshire the local transport boards such as Leeds, Wakefield, Metro etc have clubbed together to buy new train units to be used by Northern Rail whereas TfGM have put their money towards the new trams and tram routes rather than clubbing together with Transport for Merseyside and Lancashire CC for new train units!!! In other words none of thsi is Northern Rails fault but teh fault of TfGM and DfT!
[quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop. . No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city. . Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.[/p][/quote]Well said Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive. The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.[/p][/quote]Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus? The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads. the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.[/p][/quote]If you look at arrivas rolling stock queuing on Folds rd you would not be stating this the majority are 10 years old plus. The term sweating the asset is wide spread with public transport in Bolton.The trains to bromley cross are standing room only just like cattle trains . Not realy concernes about CO2 emissions what I want is clean warm and comfort inside. Especially at UK prices. Ps have you ever worked & travelled in Switzerland.[/p][/quote]The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old. TTrains, on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish. NorthernRail which operate along teh Blackburn line signed a franchise contract with teh Department for Transport which explicitly stated that Northern Rail was NOT allowed to buy any new rolling stock with prior permission from teh DfT - and every time Northern Rail has tried they have been turned down by the DfT on teh grounds that DfT will be giving new/second hand carriages to teh company once London have gained brand new carrriages. Another difference is in the Noreth East/Yorkshire the local transport boards such as Leeds, Wakefield, Metro etc have clubbed together to buy new train units to be used by Northern Rail whereas TfGM have put their money towards the new trams and tram routes rather than clubbing together with Transport for Merseyside and Lancashire CC for new train units!!! In other words none of thsi is Northern Rails fault but teh fault of TfGM and DfT! BWFC71

2:56am Mon 25 Feb 13

wsw69 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
grimtown wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
grimtown wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop.
.
No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city.
.
Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.
Well said

Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive.

The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.
Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus?

The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads.

the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.
If you look at arrivas rolling stock queuing on Folds rd you would not be stating this the majority are 10 years old plus.

The term sweating the asset is wide spread with public transport in Bolton.The trains to bromley cross are standing room only just like cattle trains .
Not realy concernes about CO2 emissions what I want is clean warm and comfort inside. Especially at UK prices. Ps have you ever worked & travelled in Switzerland.
The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old.

TTrains, on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish. NorthernRail which operate along teh Blackburn line signed a franchise contract with teh Department for Transport which explicitly stated that Northern Rail was NOT allowed to buy any new rolling stock with prior permission from teh DfT - and every time Northern Rail has tried they have been turned down by the DfT on teh grounds that DfT will be giving new/second hand carriages to teh company once London have gained brand new carrriages. Another difference is in the Noreth East/Yorkshire the local transport boards such as Leeds, Wakefield, Metro etc have clubbed together to buy new train units to be used by Northern Rail whereas TfGM have put their money towards the new trams and tram routes rather than clubbing together with Transport for Merseyside and Lancashire CC for new train units!!! In other words none of thsi is Northern Rails fault but teh fault of TfGM and DfT!
BWFC71 stated:- "The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old."

I'm afraid you are totally incorrect in your statement regards the age of Arriva's buses.

There are Arriva buses to be found at Moor Lane bus station with N (1995 to 1996) P (1996 to 1997 ) registration plates which are quite clearly 17 to 18 years old. As do First Group who have many P, R, S, T and V plated stock carting passengers around.

They are shambolic looking fossils.

The best bus operator by a country mile is Stagecoach. 95%+ of their bus stock is 59 plate and younger. They have one single deck operating the 125 Bolton to Preston route on an S plate that usually runs between 12 and 15.00 hours weekdays.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop. . No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city. . Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.[/p][/quote]Well said Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive. The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.[/p][/quote]Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus? The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads. the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.[/p][/quote]If you look at arrivas rolling stock queuing on Folds rd you would not be stating this the majority are 10 years old plus. The term sweating the asset is wide spread with public transport in Bolton.The trains to bromley cross are standing room only just like cattle trains . Not realy concernes about CO2 emissions what I want is clean warm and comfort inside. Especially at UK prices. Ps have you ever worked & travelled in Switzerland.[/p][/quote]The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old. TTrains, on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish. NorthernRail which operate along teh Blackburn line signed a franchise contract with teh Department for Transport which explicitly stated that Northern Rail was NOT allowed to buy any new rolling stock with prior permission from teh DfT - and every time Northern Rail has tried they have been turned down by the DfT on teh grounds that DfT will be giving new/second hand carriages to teh company once London have gained brand new carrriages. Another difference is in the Noreth East/Yorkshire the local transport boards such as Leeds, Wakefield, Metro etc have clubbed together to buy new train units to be used by Northern Rail whereas TfGM have put their money towards the new trams and tram routes rather than clubbing together with Transport for Merseyside and Lancashire CC for new train units!!! In other words none of thsi is Northern Rails fault but teh fault of TfGM and DfT![/p][/quote]BWFC71 stated:- "The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old." I'm afraid you are totally incorrect in your statement regards the age of Arriva's buses. There are Arriva buses to be found at Moor Lane bus station with N (1995 to 1996) P (1996 to 1997 ) registration plates which are quite clearly 17 to 18 years old. As do First Group who have many P, R, S, T and V plated stock carting passengers around. They are shambolic looking fossils. The best bus operator by a country mile is Stagecoach. 95%+ of their bus stock is 59 plate and younger. They have one single deck operating the 125 Bolton to Preston route on an S plate that usually runs between 12 and 15.00 hours weekdays. wsw69

8:50am Mon 25 Feb 13

Marzi30 says...

I'd put money on Moor Lane being turned into a Drive Through Pound Shop, can't fault our forward thinking Council !!!
I'd put money on Moor Lane being turned into a Drive Through Pound Shop, can't fault our forward thinking Council !!! Marzi30

10:29am Mon 25 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

wsw69 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
grimtown wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
grimtown wrote:
Phil from Smithills wrote:
With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop.
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No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city.
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Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.
Well said

Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive.

The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.
Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus?

The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads.

the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.
If you look at arrivas rolling stock queuing on Folds rd you would not be stating this the majority are 10 years old plus.

The term sweating the asset is wide spread with public transport in Bolton.The trains to bromley cross are standing room only just like cattle trains .
Not realy concernes about CO2 emissions what I want is clean warm and comfort inside. Especially at UK prices. Ps have you ever worked & travelled in Switzerland.
The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old.

TTrains, on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish. NorthernRail which operate along teh Blackburn line signed a franchise contract with teh Department for Transport which explicitly stated that Northern Rail was NOT allowed to buy any new rolling stock with prior permission from teh DfT - and every time Northern Rail has tried they have been turned down by the DfT on teh grounds that DfT will be giving new/second hand carriages to teh company once London have gained brand new carrriages. Another difference is in the Noreth East/Yorkshire the local transport boards such as Leeds, Wakefield, Metro etc have clubbed together to buy new train units to be used by Northern Rail whereas TfGM have put their money towards the new trams and tram routes rather than clubbing together with Transport for Merseyside and Lancashire CC for new train units!!! In other words none of thsi is Northern Rails fault but teh fault of TfGM and DfT!
BWFC71 stated:- "The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old."

I'm afraid you are totally incorrect in your statement regards the age of Arriva's buses.

There are Arriva buses to be found at Moor Lane bus station with N (1995 to 1996) P (1996 to 1997 ) registration plates which are quite clearly 17 to 18 years old. As do First Group who have many P, R, S, T and V plated stock carting passengers around.

They are shambolic looking fossils.

The best bus operator by a country mile is Stagecoach. 95%+ of their bus stock is 59 plate and younger. They have one single deck operating the 125 Bolton to Preston route on an S plate that usually runs between 12 and 15.00 hours weekdays.
WSW - I would advise you to look again.

First in Greater Manchester:
Withdrew all their buses which are 10 years, or older, towards the end of last years, when they received 50 BRAND NEW buses!!! The average age of a FiGM bus is approximately 5 years old - considerably less then when it was Greater Manchester Transport/GMBuses. Quite a few of the withdrawn buses are stored at the back of Bolton's Garage and some can be used to transport First workers between the garage and the bus station!

Arriva North West:
Again withdrew all their oldest buses towards end of last year and were replaced by brand new/near new buses. They are also going to receive 33 brand new buses throughout the course of this year. the average age of the buses in teh Bolton garage are 7.5 years old. The Withdrawn buses are stored at Bolton ready for disposal although 1 or 2 are being used to transport staff from the Garage (on Folds Road) to the bus station.

Stagecoach in Merseyside and South Lancashire:
The 125 is operated by Chorley depot and, yes you are correct in that they have newer buses, but the buses used on the 125 were specifically bought for that route. The average age of buses at the Chorley depot is about 5 years old.

Stagecoach in Wigan:
They just bought the old First garage in Wiga, at the end of last year and immediately replaced the 10 year old buses with brand new one - over 50 Buses went to their new Wigan depot. The average age at Wigan - which operates the 540 to Bolton - is about 6 years old.

Stagecoach in Manchester:
They only operate the 22 to the town, in connection with FiGM's 22!!! 10 year old buses do often appear on the Stagecoach services. The average age of buses at Stagecoach Manchester (which is Middleton, Tameside, Manchester, Stockport, Altrincham) is approximately 8 years old.

Maytree:
operate various routes in Bolton, Bury and Leigh and most are tendered contracts from Transport in Greater Manchester and as such teh buses HAVE to be under 10 years old. They also lease buses from TfgM which are hybrid buses. Average age of the Maytree fleet is about 5 years old.

South Lancs Travel:
Operate various routes in Wigan, Leigh and Bolton and most are tendered contracts from TfGM and as such the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - they even operate the Bolton Metroshuttle with TfGM's hybrid buses. The Average age of SLT buses, based in Atherton, is about 6 years old.

Transdev Lancashire United/Spot On:
They only operate the 1 between Blackburn and Bolton and again buses specifically bought for the route. The Average age of the fleet (which is based in Blackburn and basically the old Ribble Buses and Blackburn Transport) is about 8 years old.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: With the decline of our town centre, with the closure of Moor Lane bus station, the new bus station at Trinity Street along with the train station will result in making it easier to vacate the bus at the new Trinity St bus station go onto the train and travel to Manchester to shop. . No-doubt the TforGM will ensure the ticket price to Manchester will be discounted to promote shopping into that city. . Why on earth our councillors do not see that this continued association with GM has only benefited Manchester, look at our town centre, compared to the theirs, its all to centralised into that city., they must be rubbing their hands and cannot wait for this development to completed.[/p][/quote]Well said Keith Davies has no idea how unpopular the center is, it holds no attraction with the residents of the town. No quality restraunts or bars to drink safetly in, unroad worthy taxis and buses Reg Varney used to drive. The interchange will make a most arractive exit point.[/p][/quote]Grimtown, when was the last time you saw a bus? The buses are more green and road friendly than many cars nowadayds. teh odlest bus on Bolton's roads are now only 10 years old. The average age of a bus, on Boltons roads is about 4 years. Many of the new buses have comfortable leather seats, and about 95% of the buses are low floor. About 70% of teh buses give out low emissions (lower than a car) and that number is jncreasing with every new bus that ends up on Bolton's roads. the only downside is that they are expensive, compared to London! (London has just been given £96million to keep the fares low!!!) and fares are not same between operators.[/p][/quote]If you look at arrivas rolling stock queuing on Folds rd you would not be stating this the majority are 10 years old plus. The term sweating the asset is wide spread with public transport in Bolton.The trains to bromley cross are standing room only just like cattle trains . Not realy concernes about CO2 emissions what I want is clean warm and comfort inside. Especially at UK prices. Ps have you ever worked & travelled in Switzerland.[/p][/quote]The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old. TTrains, on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish. NorthernRail which operate along teh Blackburn line signed a franchise contract with teh Department for Transport which explicitly stated that Northern Rail was NOT allowed to buy any new rolling stock with prior permission from teh DfT - and every time Northern Rail has tried they have been turned down by the DfT on teh grounds that DfT will be giving new/second hand carriages to teh company once London have gained brand new carrriages. Another difference is in the Noreth East/Yorkshire the local transport boards such as Leeds, Wakefield, Metro etc have clubbed together to buy new train units to be used by Northern Rail whereas TfGM have put their money towards the new trams and tram routes rather than clubbing together with Transport for Merseyside and Lancashire CC for new train units!!! In other words none of thsi is Northern Rails fault but teh fault of TfGM and DfT![/p][/quote]BWFC71 stated:- "The oldest Arriva bus is only 8 years old - I would advise looking at teh registration plates. Bus companies do not have buses 10 years or older due to teh fact if they win a contract to operate a subsidised route from TfGM then the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - same goes for the buses that operate on school bus routes the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old." I'm afraid you are totally incorrect in your statement regards the age of Arriva's buses. There are Arriva buses to be found at Moor Lane bus station with N (1995 to 1996) P (1996 to 1997 ) registration plates which are quite clearly 17 to 18 years old. As do First Group who have many P, R, S, T and V plated stock carting passengers around. They are shambolic looking fossils. The best bus operator by a country mile is Stagecoach. 95%+ of their bus stock is 59 plate and younger. They have one single deck operating the 125 Bolton to Preston route on an S plate that usually runs between 12 and 15.00 hours weekdays.[/p][/quote]WSW - I would advise you to look again. First in Greater Manchester: Withdrew all their buses which are 10 years, or older, towards the end of last years, when they received 50 BRAND NEW buses!!! The average age of a FiGM bus is approximately 5 years old - considerably less then when it was Greater Manchester Transport/GMBuses. Quite a few of the withdrawn buses are stored at the back of Bolton's Garage and some can be used to transport First workers between the garage and the bus station! Arriva North West: Again withdrew all their oldest buses towards end of last year and were replaced by brand new/near new buses. They are also going to receive 33 brand new buses throughout the course of this year. the average age of the buses in teh Bolton garage are 7.5 years old. The Withdrawn buses are stored at Bolton ready for disposal although 1 or 2 are being used to transport staff from the Garage (on Folds Road) to the bus station. Stagecoach in Merseyside and South Lancashire: The 125 is operated by Chorley depot and, yes you are correct in that they have newer buses, but the buses used on the 125 were specifically bought for that route. The average age of buses at the Chorley depot is about 5 years old. Stagecoach in Wigan: They just bought the old First garage in Wiga, at the end of last year and immediately replaced the 10 year old buses with brand new one - over 50 Buses went to their new Wigan depot. The average age at Wigan - which operates the 540 to Bolton - is about 6 years old. Stagecoach in Manchester: They only operate the 22 to the town, in connection with FiGM's 22!!! 10 year old buses do often appear on the Stagecoach services. The average age of buses at Stagecoach Manchester (which is Middleton, Tameside, Manchester, Stockport, Altrincham) is approximately 8 years old. Maytree: operate various routes in Bolton, Bury and Leigh and most are tendered contracts from Transport in Greater Manchester and as such teh buses HAVE to be under 10 years old. They also lease buses from TfgM which are hybrid buses. Average age of the Maytree fleet is about 5 years old. South Lancs Travel: Operate various routes in Wigan, Leigh and Bolton and most are tendered contracts from TfGM and as such the buses HAVE to be under 10 years old - they even operate the Bolton Metroshuttle with TfGM's hybrid buses. The Average age of SLT buses, based in Atherton, is about 6 years old. Transdev Lancashire United/Spot On: They only operate the 1 between Blackburn and Bolton and again buses specifically bought for the route. The Average age of the fleet (which is based in Blackburn and basically the old Ribble Buses and Blackburn Transport) is about 8 years old. BWFC71

10:32am Mon 25 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

Marzi30 wrote:
I'd put money on Moor Lane being turned into a Drive Through Pound Shop, can't fault our forward thinking Council !!!
I wouldn't - now that chairty shops are beginning to leave the town centre (Salvation Army) and even the buskers are virtually nowhere to be found - saw a busker on Sunday near M&S, but by the time I came back out of teh store they had gone!!!

Goes to show that even they have given up on the town centre - Councillor Morris should be please with his efforts in shipping Bolton's citizens into neighbouring towns, losing jobs in his own town whilst commanding a more than decennt wage for his leadership of the council and still getting pay-rises whilst council staff are on a pay-freeze (real-time pay cuts) and still makeing people redundant - but just as long ar Cllr Morris is happy, we ought to be happy!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Marzi30[/bold] wrote: I'd put money on Moor Lane being turned into a Drive Through Pound Shop, can't fault our forward thinking Council !!![/p][/quote]I wouldn't - now that chairty shops are beginning to leave the town centre (Salvation Army) and even the buskers are virtually nowhere to be found - saw a busker on Sunday near M&S, but by the time I came back out of teh store they had gone!!! Goes to show that even they have given up on the town centre - Councillor Morris should be please with his efforts in shipping Bolton's citizens into neighbouring towns, losing jobs in his own town whilst commanding a more than decennt wage for his leadership of the council and still getting pay-rises whilst council staff are on a pay-freeze (real-time pay cuts) and still makeing people redundant - but just as long ar Cllr Morris is happy, we ought to be happy!!!! BWFC71

2:45pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Reality50 says...

Only one solution for Moor Lane and that's for BWFC to sell the Reebok and build a new stadium at Moor Lane. BWFC needs to come back to town. The town centre would be revitalised if BWFC came home. It is viable and Moor Lane could house within its perimeters a 25000 capacity stadium. Failing that a cinema multiplex or indoor music arena similar to the one being built currently in Leeds would be good. Why should we in a town of 270,000 have to go to Manchester or even Blackburn to watch decent bands?
Only one solution for Moor Lane and that's for BWFC to sell the Reebok and build a new stadium at Moor Lane. BWFC needs to come back to town. The town centre would be revitalised if BWFC came home. It is viable and Moor Lane could house within its perimeters a 25000 capacity stadium. Failing that a cinema multiplex or indoor music arena similar to the one being built currently in Leeds would be good. Why should we in a town of 270,000 have to go to Manchester or even Blackburn to watch decent bands? Reality50

2:54pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Reality50 says...

As for Trinity street,the council for once are right to go for a bus/rail interchange. Buses are likely to stop anyway on Blackhorse St and/or Bradshawgate so there won't be inconvenience. Modern towns and cities all have bus/rail interchanges and it makes sense. The only issue I have is that we need more direct routes from Bolton. I would scrap the Clitheroe service and go to Colne instead-as it used to do before transport idiots chose Clitheroe to replace Colne 15 years ago. Boundary Mill would be convenient to visit and probably helpful to the Asians to visit friends in Nelson and Burnley too. We need a direct service to Liverpool and think a Liverpool-Leeds service via St Helens Wigan Bolton and Rochdale and Halifax should be introduced. Direct services to Birmingham London and Holyhead would be on my wish list too.
As for Trinity street,the council for once are right to go for a bus/rail interchange. Buses are likely to stop anyway on Blackhorse St and/or Bradshawgate so there won't be inconvenience. Modern towns and cities all have bus/rail interchanges and it makes sense. The only issue I have is that we need more direct routes from Bolton. I would scrap the Clitheroe service and go to Colne instead-as it used to do before transport idiots chose Clitheroe to replace Colne 15 years ago. Boundary Mill would be convenient to visit and probably helpful to the Asians to visit friends in Nelson and Burnley too. We need a direct service to Liverpool and think a Liverpool-Leeds service via St Helens Wigan Bolton and Rochdale and Halifax should be introduced. Direct services to Birmingham London and Holyhead would be on my wish list too. Reality50

6:19pm Mon 25 Feb 13

sunfun says...

More expense for the poor downtrodden taxpayers no doubt, (some moron will probably take the council to court if they shut the bus station, for breaching the human rights of the weirdoes and alcoholics who hang about there)
More expense for the poor downtrodden taxpayers no doubt, (some moron will probably take the council to court if they shut the bus station, for breaching the human rights of the weirdoes and alcoholics who hang about there) sunfun

7:47pm Mon 25 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
As for Trinity street,the council for once are right to go for a bus/rail interchange. Buses are likely to stop anyway on Blackhorse St and/or Bradshawgate so there won't be inconvenience. Modern towns and cities all have bus/rail interchanges and it makes sense. The only issue I have is that we need more direct routes from Bolton. I would scrap the Clitheroe service and go to Colne instead-as it used to do before transport idiots chose Clitheroe to replace Colne 15 years ago. Boundary Mill would be convenient to visit and probably helpful to the Asians to visit friends in Nelson and Burnley too. We need a direct service to Liverpool and think a Liverpool-Leeds service via St Helens Wigan Bolton and Rochdale and Halifax should be introduced. Direct services to Birmingham London and Holyhead would be on my wish list too.
Write to the various Bus operators as only they can introduce the routes you suggest. The council or TfGM cannot do that, by law.

In fact the 225, now known as the 1, as long as I remember has never been to Colne. It has always been going to Blackburn or Clitheroe (as it is it now only operates between Blackburn and Bolton due to timing isuues because of congestion)

The 273 used to go to Burnley but Rossendalebus decided it wasn't profitable and as such now only operates between Rawtenstall and Bolton.

There used to be 6 buses an hour between Bolton and Liverpool operated by Lancashire Travel (MTL) and MTL but these ceased when the company was losing money - so much so it almost went bankrupt and ended up being taken over by Arriva - now known as Arriva Merseyside.

Basically longer routes are not profitable enough mainly due to lenth of time on a bus compared to a car travelling the same distance, also due to congestion and other road problems can increase teh timings and actually puts off people travelling by bus.

Finally the proposed new bus staion is actually not going to be an Intercahnge due to the fact that the bus staion is going to be on one side of Newport street whilst the train station isn't moving and will be on the other side of Newport Street and will only be connected by a covered bridge. A true Interchange already exists at Bolton Train Station, but is under-used as bus operators do not want to use it as its out of the way!!! As I have said before all that is needed is for Bolton council to implement a one-way system for buses only around town and to make sure that most, if not all, bus routes use the current Interchange, as well as the bus station/Blackhorse Street - much cheaper than what is being planned.

Also, not all buses will circle the town centre, and as such the majority of Boltonians will actually be getting off at the bus station at the wrong end of town! Buses from Bury, Manchester, Farnworth,, Leigh, Wigan directions definitely do not circle the town and won't when teh new bus station opens and as such that side of town will have a reduction in foot-fall and as the new bus station is on teh wrong side of town people will decide with their feet not to bother coming into town. The difference between our new Bus station and Intercahnges of other towns and cities are that they are right in the centre of the towns and don't have to walk more than 5 minutes to reach the shops as you will be doing in Bolton!!! Perfect example of an Intercahnge is Bury as one has buses, trams and shops all linked, and basically under one-roof, together - that will never happen in Bolton!!!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: As for Trinity street,the council for once are right to go for a bus/rail interchange. Buses are likely to stop anyway on Blackhorse St and/or Bradshawgate so there won't be inconvenience. Modern towns and cities all have bus/rail interchanges and it makes sense. The only issue I have is that we need more direct routes from Bolton. I would scrap the Clitheroe service and go to Colne instead-as it used to do before transport idiots chose Clitheroe to replace Colne 15 years ago. Boundary Mill would be convenient to visit and probably helpful to the Asians to visit friends in Nelson and Burnley too. We need a direct service to Liverpool and think a Liverpool-Leeds service via St Helens Wigan Bolton and Rochdale and Halifax should be introduced. Direct services to Birmingham London and Holyhead would be on my wish list too.[/p][/quote]Write to the various Bus operators as only they can introduce the routes you suggest. The council or TfGM cannot do that, by law. In fact the 225, now known as the 1, as long as I remember has never been to Colne. It has always been going to Blackburn or Clitheroe (as it is it now only operates between Blackburn and Bolton due to timing isuues because of congestion) The 273 used to go to Burnley but Rossendalebus decided it wasn't profitable and as such now only operates between Rawtenstall and Bolton. There used to be 6 buses an hour between Bolton and Liverpool operated by Lancashire Travel (MTL) and MTL but these ceased when the company was losing money - so much so it almost went bankrupt and ended up being taken over by Arriva - now known as Arriva Merseyside. Basically longer routes are not profitable enough mainly due to lenth of time on a bus compared to a car travelling the same distance, also due to congestion and other road problems can increase teh timings and actually puts off people travelling by bus. Finally the proposed new bus staion is actually not going to be an Intercahnge due to the fact that the bus staion is going to be on one side of Newport street whilst the train station isn't moving and will be on the other side of Newport Street and will only be connected by a covered bridge. A true Interchange already exists at Bolton Train Station, but is under-used as bus operators do not want to use it as its out of the way!!! As I have said before all that is needed is for Bolton council to implement a one-way system for buses only around town and to make sure that most, if not all, bus routes use the current Interchange, as well as the bus station/Blackhorse Street - much cheaper than what is being planned. Also, not all buses will circle the town centre, and as such the majority of Boltonians will actually be getting off at the bus station at the wrong end of town! Buses from Bury, Manchester, Farnworth,, Leigh, Wigan directions definitely do not circle the town and won't when teh new bus station opens and as such that side of town will have a reduction in foot-fall and as the new bus station is on teh wrong side of town people will decide with their feet not to bother coming into town. The difference between our new Bus station and Intercahnges of other towns and cities are that they are right in the centre of the towns and don't have to walk more than 5 minutes to reach the shops as you will be doing in Bolton!!! Perfect example of an Intercahnge is Bury as one has buses, trams and shops all linked, and basically under one-roof, together - that will never happen in Bolton!!! BWFC71

7:49pm Mon 25 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
Only one solution for Moor Lane and that's for BWFC to sell the Reebok and build a new stadium at Moor Lane. BWFC needs to come back to town. The town centre would be revitalised if BWFC came home. It is viable and Moor Lane could house within its perimeters a 25000 capacity stadium. Failing that a cinema multiplex or indoor music arena similar to the one being built currently in Leeds would be good. Why should we in a town of 270,000 have to go to Manchester or even Blackburn to watch decent bands?
Good ideas but Bolton Council do not have the power to do that. These ideas have to come from teh private sector due to the nature of the businesses. Only thing that Bolton Council can do is suggest teh idea and pass the plans!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Only one solution for Moor Lane and that's for BWFC to sell the Reebok and build a new stadium at Moor Lane. BWFC needs to come back to town. The town centre would be revitalised if BWFC came home. It is viable and Moor Lane could house within its perimeters a 25000 capacity stadium. Failing that a cinema multiplex or indoor music arena similar to the one being built currently in Leeds would be good. Why should we in a town of 270,000 have to go to Manchester or even Blackburn to watch decent bands?[/p][/quote]Good ideas but Bolton Council do not have the power to do that. These ideas have to come from teh private sector due to the nature of the businesses. Only thing that Bolton Council can do is suggest teh idea and pass the plans! BWFC71

10:24pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Reality50 says...

I mean a Liverpool Leeds TRAIN service not bus service. All the routes i meant were by train. Sorry to clarify.
I mean a Liverpool Leeds TRAIN service not bus service. All the routes i meant were by train. Sorry to clarify. Reality50

10:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Reality50 says...

As for trams I for one am glad we never got Merolink as tram travel is expensive. If you want to go from Oldham or Bury to London you have to pay twice,the tram to Manchester then buy a ticket in Manchester to get a train to London. Metrolink is no good for a town like ours. Metrolink was only invented to benefit Manchester anyway and kill off trade in the satellite towns. As for the business sector they should be looking at Moor Lane as a golden opportunity but deep down we all know it will probably end up a Tesco-as they have no town centre store-or be a nondescipt car park. Sad though because it really could be used for entertainment as its a prime location.
As for trams I for one am glad we never got Merolink as tram travel is expensive. If you want to go from Oldham or Bury to London you have to pay twice,the tram to Manchester then buy a ticket in Manchester to get a train to London. Metrolink is no good for a town like ours. Metrolink was only invented to benefit Manchester anyway and kill off trade in the satellite towns. As for the business sector they should be looking at Moor Lane as a golden opportunity but deep down we all know it will probably end up a Tesco-as they have no town centre store-or be a nondescipt car park. Sad though because it really could be used for entertainment as its a prime location. Reality50

6:47am Tue 26 Feb 13

grimtown says...

Reality50 wrote:
Only one solution for Moor Lane and that's for BWFC to sell the Reebok and build a new stadium at Moor Lane. BWFC needs to come back to town. The town centre would be revitalised if BWFC came home. It is viable and Moor Lane could house within its perimeters a 25000 capacity stadium. Failing that a cinema multiplex or indoor music arena similar to the one being built currently in Leeds would be good. Why should we in a town of 270,000 have to go to Manchester or even Blackburn to watch decent bands?
Bolton Wanders are skint if they where in the premier league yes however no
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Only one solution for Moor Lane and that's for BWFC to sell the Reebok and build a new stadium at Moor Lane. BWFC needs to come back to town. The town centre would be revitalised if BWFC came home. It is viable and Moor Lane could house within its perimeters a 25000 capacity stadium. Failing that a cinema multiplex or indoor music arena similar to the one being built currently in Leeds would be good. Why should we in a town of 270,000 have to go to Manchester or even Blackburn to watch decent bands?[/p][/quote]Bolton Wanders are skint if they where in the premier league yes however no grimtown

11:58am Tue 26 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
As for trams I for one am glad we never got Merolink as tram travel is expensive. If you want to go from Oldham or Bury to London you have to pay twice,the tram to Manchester then buy a ticket in Manchester to get a train to London. Metrolink is no good for a town like ours. Metrolink was only invented to benefit Manchester anyway and kill off trade in the satellite towns. As for the business sector they should be looking at Moor Lane as a golden opportunity but deep down we all know it will probably end up a Tesco-as they have no town centre store-or be a nondescipt car park. Sad though because it really could be used for entertainment as its a prime location.
Actually its gone the other way - if the Metrolink was meant to kill trade off in the surrounding Borough councils then its not worked!

Bury, Oldham, Eccles are all prospering and actually more visitors than ever before. Best example being Bury, look at the town, thriving so much - a redsigned town centre the Rock Shopping Centre etc etc etc Also look at their multi-award winning open market. Then there is Oldham with their loving restored Market Hall and shopping centre - and both towns have chain-stores which have left Bolton over the last couple of years!!!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: As for trams I for one am glad we never got Merolink as tram travel is expensive. If you want to go from Oldham or Bury to London you have to pay twice,the tram to Manchester then buy a ticket in Manchester to get a train to London. Metrolink is no good for a town like ours. Metrolink was only invented to benefit Manchester anyway and kill off trade in the satellite towns. As for the business sector they should be looking at Moor Lane as a golden opportunity but deep down we all know it will probably end up a Tesco-as they have no town centre store-or be a nondescipt car park. Sad though because it really could be used for entertainment as its a prime location.[/p][/quote]Actually its gone the other way - if the Metrolink was meant to kill trade off in the surrounding Borough councils then its not worked! Bury, Oldham, Eccles are all prospering and actually more visitors than ever before. Best example being Bury, look at the town, thriving so much - a redsigned town centre the Rock Shopping Centre etc etc etc Also look at their multi-award winning open market. Then there is Oldham with their loving restored Market Hall and shopping centre - and both towns have chain-stores which have left Bolton over the last couple of years!!! BWFC71

3:26pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Reality50 says...

BWFC have a debt of £140 million however by selling the Reebok and buying Moor Lane they could make a hefty profit thus cutting the debt. On the Clitheroe/Colne issue the Manchester Victoria-Blackburn service went to Colne not Clithoe until the mid 90's before scrapping Colne and instead going to Clitheroe.
BWFC have a debt of £140 million however by selling the Reebok and buying Moor Lane they could make a hefty profit thus cutting the debt. On the Clitheroe/Colne issue the Manchester Victoria-Blackburn service went to Colne not Clithoe until the mid 90's before scrapping Colne and instead going to Clitheroe. Reality50

3:32pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Reality50 says...

Oldham town centre is dead as is Rochdale-which has got Metrolink. Bury has always been a suburb of Manchester anyway -that's why its always had 0161 telephone numbers and the southern districts M postcodes too. Bury is mainly affluent too. If Bolton had Metrolink then it would probably be £5 return to Manchester. Manchester is booming and all investment goes there.Sooner Bolton leaves Greater Manchester and reforges its own identity as the capital of South Lancashire the better. Preston is a good example on inward investment and we need to follow their model.Being in Greater Manchester benefits us not one iota.
Oldham town centre is dead as is Rochdale-which has got Metrolink. Bury has always been a suburb of Manchester anyway -that's why its always had 0161 telephone numbers and the southern districts M postcodes too. Bury is mainly affluent too. If Bolton had Metrolink then it would probably be £5 return to Manchester. Manchester is booming and all investment goes there.Sooner Bolton leaves Greater Manchester and reforges its own identity as the capital of South Lancashire the better. Preston is a good example on inward investment and we need to follow their model.Being in Greater Manchester benefits us not one iota. Reality50

4:49pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Phil from Smithills says...

I have been saying exactly this for years
Greater Manchester is viewed by the media as just Manchester, the name was wrong from day one. South Lancashire with North Cheshire would have been more appropriate and accurate, without this constant reference to Manchester. Because of it, we are now more and more centralised into that city.
I have been saying exactly this for years Greater Manchester is viewed by the media as just Manchester, the name was wrong from day one. South Lancashire with North Cheshire would have been more appropriate and accurate, without this constant reference to Manchester. Because of it, we are now more and more centralised into that city. Phil from Smithills

6:17pm Tue 26 Feb 13

boltonnut says...

Why hire consultants?Just listen to the majority of Boltonians,like the council DIDN'T do with the market hall.Obviously certain FAT bent council members will be fattening their obese wallets even more with this needless venture.If it ain't broke don't screw it up.
Why hire consultants?Just listen to the majority of Boltonians,like the council DIDN'T do with the market hall.Obviously certain FAT bent council members will be fattening their obese wallets even more with this needless venture.If it ain't broke don't screw it up. boltonnut

11:11pm Tue 26 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
Oldham town centre is dead as is Rochdale-which has got Metrolink. Bury has always been a suburb of Manchester anyway -that's why its always had 0161 telephone numbers and the southern districts M postcodes too. Bury is mainly affluent too. If Bolton had Metrolink then it would probably be £5 return to Manchester. Manchester is booming and all investment goes there.Sooner Bolton leaves Greater Manchester and reforges its own identity as the capital of South Lancashire the better. Preston is a good example on inward investment and we need to follow their model.Being in Greater Manchester benefits us not one iota.
Incorrect with regards to ALL of what you say.

Bury also has 01204 phone numbers and it also has BL postcodes - unlike Westhoughton which has WN postcodes and 01942 phone numbers!!!

Oldhams town centre is not dead - yes it had some work going through it with the extension of the Metrolink but teh Market is a thriving success and Spindles has more shops and activities going on than what The Market Place does/has!!!

Bolton cannot just leave Greater Manchester as it would have to go through Parliament and signed-off by the monarch!!!

Preston is a City and not a town!!! It is also the Administrative centre for the whole of Lancashire - therefore we should not be viewed on the same level as them as we are not a city and never will be and we are not teh administrative town for teh country our town is in!!! Do you think Blackpool, Lancaster or even Blabkburn benefit with being linked up to Preston?
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Oldham town centre is dead as is Rochdale-which has got Metrolink. Bury has always been a suburb of Manchester anyway -that's why its always had 0161 telephone numbers and the southern districts M postcodes too. Bury is mainly affluent too. If Bolton had Metrolink then it would probably be £5 return to Manchester. Manchester is booming and all investment goes there.Sooner Bolton leaves Greater Manchester and reforges its own identity as the capital of South Lancashire the better. Preston is a good example on inward investment and we need to follow their model.Being in Greater Manchester benefits us not one iota.[/p][/quote]Incorrect with regards to ALL of what you say. Bury also has 01204 phone numbers and it also has BL postcodes - unlike Westhoughton which has WN postcodes and 01942 phone numbers!!! Oldhams town centre is not dead - yes it had some work going through it with the extension of the Metrolink but teh Market is a thriving success and Spindles has more shops and activities going on than what The Market Place does/has!!! Bolton cannot just leave Greater Manchester as it would have to go through Parliament and signed-off by the monarch!!! Preston is a City and not a town!!! It is also the Administrative centre for the whole of Lancashire - therefore we should not be viewed on the same level as them as we are not a city and never will be and we are not teh administrative town for teh country our town is in!!! Do you think Blackpool, Lancaster or even Blabkburn benefit with being linked up to Preston? BWFC71

11:14pm Tue 26 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

tiredness setting in

teh should be read as the

where as "administartive town for the county" is should be read as and not country
tiredness setting in teh should be read as the where as "administartive town for the county" is should be read as and not country BWFC71

7:06am Thu 28 Feb 13

Wigan Trotter says...

The 'old' garage in Wigan has been demolished and as for new 'Stagecoach' buses in the Wigan area, I suspect these have only brought in from other area's while the 'First' buses are repainted in the livery of 'Stagecoach'. Hope the latter part of my comment is right
The 'old' garage in Wigan has been demolished and as for new 'Stagecoach' buses in the Wigan area, I suspect these have only brought in from other area's while the 'First' buses are repainted in the livery of 'Stagecoach'. Hope the latter part of my comment is right Wigan Trotter

7:17am Thu 28 Feb 13

Wigan Trotter says...

Why have a Council when every town has 'expert's' who think they know more than those running a Council.

Or do they, when they make suggestions about selling the 'Reebok' and building a new 28,500 Stadium on a confine space in Moor Lane.

LOL.
Why have a Council when every town has 'expert's' who think they know more than those running a Council. Or do they, when they make suggestions about selling the 'Reebok' and building a new 28,500 Stadium on a confine space in Moor Lane. LOL. Wigan Trotter

5:43pm Thu 28 Feb 13

BWFC71 says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
The 'old' garage in Wigan has been demolished and as for new 'Stagecoach' buses in the Wigan area, I suspect these have only brought in from other area's while the 'First' buses are repainted in the livery of 'Stagecoach'. Hope the latter part of my comment is right
The old garage was demolished about 6 years ago and First moved into "new" premesis which were prevously owned by another bus company.

First sold to Stagecoach at the end of December last year, and was only just cleared by the M&MC this week (along with Stagecoach buying Bluebird in Middleton). Stagecoach withdrew the older buses as soon as they took charge as it would have increased the average age of the fleet - from what I can gather those older buses have already been bought buy a dealer and have already been shipped off to the dealer. The 75 buses that Stagecoach brought in are brand new, apart from 10 buses, and staying at Wigan - if you don't believe me just ask one of their drivers!
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: The 'old' garage in Wigan has been demolished and as for new 'Stagecoach' buses in the Wigan area, I suspect these have only brought in from other area's while the 'First' buses are repainted in the livery of 'Stagecoach'. Hope the latter part of my comment is right[/p][/quote]The old garage was demolished about 6 years ago and First moved into "new" premesis which were prevously owned by another bus company. First sold to Stagecoach at the end of December last year, and was only just cleared by the M&MC this week (along with Stagecoach buying Bluebird in Middleton). Stagecoach withdrew the older buses as soon as they took charge as it would have increased the average age of the fleet - from what I can gather those older buses have already been bought buy a dealer and have already been shipped off to the dealer. The 75 buses that Stagecoach brought in are brand new, apart from 10 buses, and staying at Wigan - if you don't believe me just ask one of their drivers! BWFC71

1:06am Mon 18 Mar 13

tommy says...

Reality50 wrote:
Only one solution for Moor Lane and that's for BWFC to sell the Reebok and build a new stadium at Moor Lane. BWFC needs to come back to town. The town centre would be revitalised if BWFC came home. It is viable and Moor Lane could house within its perimeters a 25000 capacity stadium. Failing that a cinema multiplex or indoor music arena similar to the one being built currently in Leeds would be good. Why should we in a town of 270,000 have to go to Manchester or even Blackburn to watch decent bands?
I'll have some of that crack you're smoking, my friend. 25000 seater stadium? Give me a break, in that space? That has to be the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever heard in my life.

I'm fairly sure your post was a joke, but I may as well respond.

1) Traffic
This would actually choke Bolton town centre. Maybe you can squeeze a football stadium in there, but you'd need a hell of a lot of parking in the surrounding area (something people will moan about regardless). You'd probably need to flatten the market (another waste of money seeing as it's being redeveloped) and you'd probably need to mow down nearby businesses too.

Lets not forget the devire hotel as well.

2) Middlebrook
You might be bringing people back to Bolton, but you'd be taking people away from about the only place anyone spends any money in Middlebrook. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

3) BWFC
As if they'd even entertain the plans of demolishing a perfectly good stadium when they're in so much debt as it is.

Fair enough, your point about the multiplex makes sense. That would be a fair idea. The area needs to be somewhere which will attract people to the town centre. Music venues, yeah I guess. It's not about people going seeing the bands, it about the bands coming to the town.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Only one solution for Moor Lane and that's for BWFC to sell the Reebok and build a new stadium at Moor Lane. BWFC needs to come back to town. The town centre would be revitalised if BWFC came home. It is viable and Moor Lane could house within its perimeters a 25000 capacity stadium. Failing that a cinema multiplex or indoor music arena similar to the one being built currently in Leeds would be good. Why should we in a town of 270,000 have to go to Manchester or even Blackburn to watch decent bands?[/p][/quote]I'll have some of that crack you're smoking, my friend. 25000 seater stadium? Give me a break, in that space? That has to be the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever heard in my life. I'm fairly sure your post was a joke, but I may as well respond. 1) Traffic This would actually choke Bolton town centre. Maybe you can squeeze a football stadium in there, but you'd need a hell of a lot of parking in the surrounding area (something people will moan about regardless). You'd probably need to flatten the market (another waste of money seeing as it's being redeveloped) and you'd probably need to mow down nearby businesses too. Lets not forget the devire hotel as well. 2) Middlebrook You might be bringing people back to Bolton, but you'd be taking people away from about the only place anyone spends any money in Middlebrook. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! 3) BWFC As if they'd even entertain the plans of demolishing a perfectly good stadium when they're in so much debt as it is. Fair enough, your point about the multiplex makes sense. That would be a fair idea. The area needs to be somewhere which will attract people to the town centre. Music venues, yeah I guess. It's not about people going seeing the bands, it about the bands coming to the town. tommy

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