Protesters heckle minister during ‘top secret’ visit (From The Bolton News)

300 yards? Someone needs to go back to school...

Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

Maybe these "union knobs" have cushy jobs just like Smith and don't start work till half way through the day.Maybe they're spies cracking top secret covert operations.The conservative party members were probably still in bed, thats why they had no idea what was happening.At the least the "union knobs" were up and about and alert enough to form a protest,some might even have worked a 12 hour night shift,who knows?

one of his aides added: “He’s very busy”.

Yeah I bet he is, busy destroying the lives of thousands and somehow getting away with hate crimes against the unemployed spreading his vile right wing rhetoric. IDS is the sickest of a very sick bunch of Selfservative parasites...

Well its obvious why this was kept hush hush, there would have be more protesters to heckle him over all the stupid daft ideas he as. Bedroom Tax for one, within 6months the homeless figures are going to rise as well as unemployment

I think this guy is going to need armed guards to show his face anywhere once the bedroom tax and other "screw the poor" policies really start to kick in. Someone has created an "IDS-o-Matic" computer emulation of him online - the DWP might want to think of replacing him with it. It seems more human than IDS, if anything.

I didn't know he was coming, did anybody else...If he was coming to Bolton to inspect nuclear bunkers, or to checkout redacted council files in secret...Then i could deal with that ?
Shame on BEN to not publicize this visit beforehand

malcome wrote:
I didn't know he was coming, did anybody else...If he was coming to Bolton to inspect nuclear bunkers, or to checkout redacted council files in secret...Then i could deal with that ?
Shame on BEN to not publicize this visit beforehand

Hint, the bit about it being a secret visit and virtually no one knowing gives the clues!!!

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

I have never seen -25 as a score before under a comment!!!

I think you'll find they were at work and you're paying their wages.

please help protect the sick and disabled from this mans cruel welfare cuts by signing and sharing the WOW Petition http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/43154

Well said I ludicrous...

The left haven't got a clue...bedroom tax do me a favour...pure propaganda by the union fools...

Please tell me why a couple living in a three bedroom house...who don't need those extra bedrooms anymore shouldn't be penalised for the privilege?

Shouldn't that house go to a family who need it?

There all just gutted because it will be less money to spend on special brew, Rothmans king size and on the two thirty at Chepstow....

sheep Robert2012, do any of you research or just believe the lies the scum in spout? they are not taxing people who do not need bedrooms, if they were just moving people who were actually in a far too big house then fine but thats not case why do you think a couple only in a 2 bed? or a single man in wheelchair adapted house in a 2 bed cos there are no 1 bed ones you dim wits, service men who away there room is "spare" to gov in USA its child abuse to put kids over 6 in same room , here nope stick you autistic violent teen with the 3 year old, oh wife sleeps in hospital bed and another normal bed for hubby won't fit hey ho you still pay, at least if gonna have an opinion make it at least half way educated and whilst researching check how secure your job is as well and keep us informed so we can see you wake up to reality, and as for the "all on welfare by booze" but you happy for scumoron charging taxpayers for a 16k wine tasting session for himself thats ok is it? as long as he happy its irrelevant how many corpse pile up yeah????karma is a **** remember that

Of course he's welcome. It's a change to see a minister trying to tackle the inflated welfare bill created by Labour in an effort to bribe the workshy to turn out of bed and vote for Brown & Co.

tjtj1113 wrote:
sheep Robert2012, do any of you research or just believe the lies the scum in spout? they are not taxing people who do not need bedrooms, if they were just moving people who were actually in a far too big house then fine but thats not case why do you think a couple only in a 2 bed? or a single man in wheelchair adapted house in a 2 bed cos there are no 1 bed ones you dim wits, service men who away there room is "spare" to gov in USA its child abuse to put kids over 6 in same room , here nope stick you autistic violent teen with the 3 year old, oh wife sleeps in hospital bed and another normal bed for hubby won't fit hey ho you still pay, at least if gonna have an opinion make it at least half way educated and whilst researching check how secure your job is as well and keep us informed so we can see you wake up to reality, and as for the "all on welfare by booze" but you happy for scumoron charging taxpayers for a 16k wine tasting session for himself thats ok is it? as long as he happy its irrelevant how many corpse pile up yeah????karma is a **** remember that

I'm sorry...could you please repeat that in English ?

oh how childish robert2012

temujin wrote:
Of course he's welcome. It's a change to see a minister trying to tackle the inflated welfare bill created by Labour in an effort to bribe the workshy to turn out of bed and vote for Brown & Co.

Which was created under Thatcherism when she destroyed the minig industry and basically the whole manufacting industry in the UK, as well as making jobs such as electricians and plumbers as the scourge of the earth jobs.

People are not workshy, there are just not the jobs out there.

The propaganda at the moment is that there has never been so many people in employment as there is now in the UK. But what type of employment? Part-time work on minimum wage is what they are talking about - so people still require the benefits to actually live!!!! One statistic the Government has not mentioned but can be found is that there are now the most number of people WITH a job but still having to claim benefits because of the lowly paid wages - whose fault is that - Labour or The Conservatives???

Another fact, that has come out today, is that manufacting is down, yet again, and compounding the first ever triple-dip recession in the UK! With recession comes more unemployment and don't forget that people in teh public sector are still being laid off which has a knock-on effect within teh public sector - so how many more "workshy" people are there going to be in 6 months time?

The Welfare bill is only inflated because they have made it so. The Government predicted that those being made redundant in the public sector - well over 5 million, would be able to find a job in the private sector - it hasn't happened!!!! So of those not able to find a job, are they workshy???

I have been unemployed for the last 18 months and I have been doing well over 100 applications a week to find a new job (luckily I have now) but does that make me workshy because I am not working and was claiming benefits????

There will be quite a few apologists for IDS. They will not be so smug when illness or unemployment hits them.

How IDS had the belief - not courage - that he is safe in public God only knows. Congrats to the person who leaked the info.

IDS would do well not to visit Portsmouth, as we`ll have a warm reception waiting for him. :)

Robert2012 wrote:

tjtj1113 wrote:
sheep Robert2012, do any of you research or just believe the lies the scum in spout? they are not taxing people who do not need bedrooms, if they were just moving people who were actually in a far too big house then fine but thats not case why do you think a couple only in a 2 bed? or a single man in wheelchair adapted house in a 2 bed cos there are no 1 bed ones you dim wits, service men who away there room is "spare" to gov in USA its child abuse to put kids over 6 in same room , here nope stick you autistic violent teen with the 3 year old, oh wife sleeps in hospital bed and another normal bed for hubby won't fit hey ho you still pay, at least if gonna have an opinion make it at least half way educated and whilst researching check how secure your job is as well and keep us informed so we can see you wake up to reality, and as for the "all on welfare by booze" but you happy for scumoron charging taxpayers for a 16k wine tasting session for himself thats ok is it? as long as he happy its irrelevant how many corpse pile up yeah????karma is a **** remember that

I'm sorry...could you please repeat that in English ?

Actually tjtj1113 is English.

If you cannot understand him, then which nationality are you - Polish, Pakistani, Indian, Romanian???

I also notice there quite a few trees to string him up from. :)

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

Those 'knobs' from the union were there on there own time,,, sad people want to fight the nasty tories AND do it in their own time... what ever next it ludicrous

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

those 'knobs' from the union went in their own time, sad isn't it people getting up and out strivers/campaigning and not shirking on their computer, you saddo.

Boltontoday wrote:
I think you'll find they were at work and you're paying their wages.

i don't think Bill Hardman, disabled union member in his wheelcahir, made redundant from his job at remploy under the nastie tories was having his 'wages' paid by you muppet

BWFC71 wrote:

Robert2012 wrote:

tjtj1113 wrote:
sheep Robert2012, do any of you research or just believe the lies the scum in spout? they are not taxing people who do not need bedrooms, if they were just moving people who were actually in a far too big house then fine but thats not case why do you think a couple only in a 2 bed? or a single man in wheelchair adapted house in a 2 bed cos there are no 1 bed ones you dim wits, service men who away there room is "spare" to gov in USA its child abuse to put kids over 6 in same room , here nope stick you autistic violent teen with the 3 year old, oh wife sleeps in hospital bed and another normal bed for hubby won't fit hey ho you still pay, at least if gonna have an opinion make it at least half way educated and whilst researching check how secure your job is as well and keep us informed so we can see you wake up to reality, and as for the "all on welfare by booze" but you happy for scumoron charging taxpayers for a 16k wine tasting session for himself thats ok is it? as long as he happy its irrelevant how many corpse pile up yeah????karma is a **** remember that

I'm sorry...could you please repeat that in English ?

Actually tjtj1113 is English.

If you cannot understand him, then which nationality are you - Polish, Pakistani, Indian, Romanian???

Really?

Can you tell me what he/she was trying to say then?

I understood the bit about taxing people for not needing bedrooms.....but that's not true is it?....having their benefits cut yes...but not taxed....but let's not let the truth get in the way of a good ol labour lie....

Oh and lady thatcher was in power thirty years ago...get over it...

temujin wrote:
Of course he's welcome. It's a change to see a minister trying to tackle the inflated welfare bill created by Labour in an effort to bribe the workshy to turn out of bed and vote for Brown & Co.

workshy, chance would be a fine thing for some.... workhouse next on your agenda!

Shame the IRA didn`t take Thatcher out back in `84. Guess the luck of Hitler followed her (cf. Operation Valkyrie).

I am over it, because I was a child during her reign but has has long lasting effect on this country from which it has NEVER recovered - even having to employ foreigners for the work which this country no longer trains people for - al stems back to her reign!!!!

And I am also sick to death of The Conservatives still blaming Labour for all the pathetic things that have gone wrong. The Conservatives (with a dash of LibDems) have for over 3 years and yet the national debt has increased even more, more people claiming benefits than ever before and number of people still unemployed is the highest ever, even before the last election, and now we have lost our AAA rating and literally on the verge of a triple-dip and yet they still blame Labour for it all!!!!

BWFC71 wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

I have never seen -25 as a score before under a comment!!!

Well, you kick one freeloading sponger and they all limp.

Robert2012 wrote:

BWFC71 wrote:

Robert2012 wrote:

tjtj1113 wrote:
sheep Robert2012, do any of you research or just believe the lies the scum in spout? they are not taxing people who do not need bedrooms, if they were just moving people who were actually in a far too big house then fine but thats not case why do you think a couple only in a 2 bed? or a single man in wheelchair adapted house in a 2 bed cos there are no 1 bed ones you dim wits, service men who away there room is "spare" to gov in USA its child abuse to put kids over 6 in same room , here nope stick you autistic violent teen with the 3 year old, oh wife sleeps in hospital bed and another normal bed for hubby won't fit hey ho you still pay, at least if gonna have an opinion make it at least half way educated and whilst researching check how secure your job is as well and keep us informed so we can see you wake up to reality, and as for the "all on welfare by booze" but you happy for scumoron charging taxpayers for a 16k wine tasting session for himself thats ok is it? as long as he happy its irrelevant how many corpse pile up yeah????karma is a **** remember that

I'm sorry...could you please repeat that in English ?

Actually tjtj1113 is English.

If you cannot understand him, then which nationality are you - Polish, Pakistani, Indian, Romanian???

Really?

Can you tell me what he/she was trying to say then?

I understood the bit about taxing people for not needing bedrooms.....but that's not true is it?....having their benefits cut yes...but not taxed....but let's not let the truth get in the way of a good ol labour lie....

Oh and lady thatcher was in power thirty years ago...get over it...

and we will celebrate for longer when she's gone....

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

those 'knobs' from the union went in their own time, sad isn't it people getting up and out strivers/campaigning and not shirking on their computer, you saddo.

All of them? And you know this how, exactly?

I, Ludicrous wrote:

BWFC71 wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

I have never seen -25 as a score before under a comment!!!

Well, you kick one freeloading sponger and they all limp.

clearly gripes you doesn't it ... people fighting for people, how mis informed as well.... most of the 'union' fighters are rank and file members, working, paying their subs and USING THEIR OWN TIME to fight the cause...

I, Ludicrous wrote:

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

those 'knobs' from the union went in their own time, sad isn't it people getting up and out strivers/campaigning and not shirking on their computer, you saddo.

All of them? And you know this how, exactly?

i was there, and knew everyone of the other dozen protesters, ALL IN THEIR OWN TIME

Gripes me? I couldn't care less, Sunshine.

Well as a child then you won't remember the shambles before left by the then labour government...4 day weeks, blackouts, unburied bodies....unions holding the country to ransom....

All sound familiar?....it's well documented that the conservatives have to try and clean up the mess left by labour governments time and time again....

You harp on about closing down the manufacturing industry....this country couldn't and can't compete with industry in china and other nations....still if you think that mining and steel would still make Britain great...then carry

....you only have to look at the shambles that labour has created in this once proud town...with pound shops, charity shops and empty shops galore....suppose that's all lady thatchers fault as well?

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

those 'knobs' from the union went in their own time, sad isn't it people getting up and out strivers/campaigning and not shirking on their computer, you saddo.

All of them? And you know this how, exactly?

i was there, and knew everyone of the other dozen protesters, ALL IN THEIR OWN TIME

We're you blowing your whistle loudly?

Dozen?

Up the revolution comrade...

Robert2012 wrote:

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

those 'knobs' from the union went in their own time, sad isn't it people getting up and out strivers/campaigning and not shirking on their computer, you saddo.

All of them? And you know this how, exactly?

i was there, and knew everyone of the other dozen protesters, ALL IN THEIR OWN TIME

We're you blowing your whistle loudly?

Dozen?

Up the revolution comrade...

erm you want it all ways, alluding the union members of being on your paymaster, when it's pointed out they were their on their own time,little sarcastic comment about our numbers, the fact the other union members were working and this meeting was supposed to be a 'secret visit' - we did ok thanks...

Robert2012 wrote:
Well as a child then you won't remember the shambles before left by the then labour government...4 day weeks, blackouts, unburied bodies....unions holding the country to ransom....

All sound familiar?....it's well documented that the conservatives have to try and clean up the mess left by labour governments time and time again....

You harp on about closing down the manufacturing industry....this country couldn't and can't compete with industry in china and other nations....still if you think that mining and steel would still make Britain great...then carry

....you only have to look at the shambles that labour has created in this once proud town...with pound shops, charity shops and empty shops galore....suppose that's all lady thatchers fault as well?

I remember those days - and get your facts right it was 3 day weeks - all prompted by the unions because of the mess that had been created by teh Tory Government prior!!! Yes Labour Party promised too much and did cause problems whilst re-structuring teh country from the blight of the Tories!

If the Tories had really hated the unions then why didn't they do something when they were in power prior to Labour taking over???

Also do not forget your history that it was Labour that created the NHS, and yet its teh Tories that want to privatise it and make it more American where money means more than life - do you really want that where is someone not rich enough doesn't get teh treatment and is allowed to die ???

Yes I harp on about manufacturing - sure enough we cannot compete with places like Asia or China - but as you have harped on about in the past what about our Commonwealth colleagues - why couldn't we just trade with tem??? In this modern world to be the best one has to be part of a co-operative/union such as the EU or USA or the Australian States or the Chinese States - then and only then will price and production will be cheap enough, we cannot do it alone and many suggest!!!

Did I say that Britain was Great, or was that you putting words in what I say??? Britain is teh sick-man of Europe and its Empire is crumbling. We spend £400/person annually on the Commonwealth and get nothing for retiurn - even when the Queen either abddicates or dies the head of the Commonwealth may not be Prince Charles as its not a given right!!! We spend £350/person annually on the EU and we get alot back in return - more than what people think (cleaner beaches through subsidies to clean the water, many housing projects and nursing homes subsidised by the EU and just a couple but there are a hell of a lot more that the EU helps pay for in the UK)

Again is Britain great when prescriptions are going up 20p in England but people in Wales, Northern Ireland Scotland pay nothing and thats subsidised by us English, or what about university education - in teh Uk its teh English that pay teh mot, Scotalnd pay nothing Wales and Ireland is half of England pays and yet subsidised by us Englis - what have the Tories doen about that - Sweet FA, in fact they have compunded the situation!!!!!

Funnily enough it was the odl Labour regime that made this town great during the 80's 90's and early 00's but its the current crop that have destroyed it - but it was the LibDems that signed off the sale of the old Market Hall, although it was a cross-party decision - yes even the Tories councillors agreed to sel it off!!!!

What about the Central Givernment funding that has been taken away from Bolton and given to towns and cities down south (funnily enough they have reduced funding in towns and cities where there is a Labour regime and given MORE money where ther is a Tory regime - why???) that is hitting the everyday person and NOT the political parties!!!!

Why has Central Government found £96million to giev to London to keep public transport fares down and also made a pledge to keep teh VAT and tax reabtes whereas outside London transport companies now have no reabtes and as such fares have increased - .

Osbourne of teh Government go on about petrol duty rises not happened for so long - but itwas the previous Tory Government taht introduced it and it was Labour that started to freeze it and yet its the current Tory Government that take the praise for freezing it each year!!!

The Tories have done sweet FA to improve this country over the last 3 years - in fact thsi country has got worse than what it was under Labour, and I never thought I could ever say that!!!

And breathe......

Love to pick my way through that...however I have work in the morning...self employed brickie...no work no pay...no holiday pay and no pension....no 13 weeks holiday...training days...flexi time or final salary pension for this kid....

It's been fun

Robert2012

If what you say is correct, that I suggest you get a job with what you claimed you have not got or is that you prefer to be self employed for the 'cash in hand' jobs where you do not pay tax!

Robert2012 wrote:
And breathe......

Love to pick my way through that...however I have work in the morning...self employed brickie...no work no pay...no holiday pay and no pension....no 13 weeks holiday...training days...flexi time or final salary pension for this kid....

It's been fun

Just backhanders and paying less tax due to the fact of the backhanders and all the brown envelopes!! And yet you call Labour and the unemployed - you are worse then any of them!!! No wonder you can afford your own house, a decent car, fantastic holidays with all the tax you don't pay!!!

You can try to pick your way through, but as you have admitted defeat and know what I have said to be totallly correct then on this occassion i will forgive your ignorance and hope you have learned someting about the truth rather than Government propaganda!!!

Hardly a hush-hush visit, if he has coffee in a public place then walks across our town, fair play to him for getting from behind his desk and coming to speak with the DSS lot.

Got to admire his determination to save the country from the socialists Blair/Brown who squandered the UK's money, and his ability to ignore the empty-head Unions - thankfully Unison seem to be on thebir last legs. 100 protestors at a major meeting, 20 last week and a handful for IDS visit. Smash the unions -way to go!!
Come back soon IDS.

Robert2012 wrote:

tjtj1113 wrote:
sheep Robert2012, do any of you research or just believe the lies the scum in spout? they are not taxing people who do not need bedrooms, if they were just moving people who were actually in a far too big house then fine but thats not case why do you think a couple only in a 2 bed? or a single man in wheelchair adapted house in a 2 bed cos there are no 1 bed ones you dim wits, service men who away there room is "spare" to gov in USA its child abuse to put kids over 6 in same room , here nope stick you autistic violent teen with the 3 year old, oh wife sleeps in hospital bed and another normal bed for hubby won't fit hey ho you still pay, at least if gonna have an opinion make it at least half way educated and whilst researching check how secure your job is as well and keep us informed so we can see you wake up to reality, and as for the "all on welfare by booze" but you happy for scumoron charging taxpayers for a 16k wine tasting session for himself thats ok is it? as long as he happy its irrelevant how many corpse pile up yeah????karma is a **** remember that

I'm sorry...could you please repeat that in English ?

I, too, would like it in any language remotely readable, but it was probably written by a senior union member - about par for the course as far as intelligence goes.

schmuckyZ wrote:
Shame the IRA didn`t take Thatcher out back in `84. Guess the luck of Hitler followed her (cf. Operation Valkyrie).

this must rank as one of the filthiest and lowest comments ever made on these pages. You animal, that evil body of murderers killed some very decent people, soldiers, children, families, Earl Mountbatten and many Police Officers, and your comments are disgusting. Typical socialist thug, crawl back under your labour council-house rock.

Robert2012 wrote:

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

those 'knobs' from the union went in their own time, sad isn't it people getting up and out strivers/campaigning and not shirking on their computer, you saddo.

All of them? And you know this how, exactly?

i was there, and knew everyone of the other dozen protesters, ALL IN THEIR OWN TIME

We're you blowing your whistle loudly?

Dozen?

Up the revolution comrade...

and half of them only followed 'cause they thought there would be free butties and beer at the end of it!

exiled wrote:
Hardly a hush-hush visit, if he has coffee in a public place then walks across our town, fair play to him for getting from behind his desk and coming to speak with the DSS lot.

Got to admire his determination to save the country from the socialists Blair/Brown who squandered the UK's money, and his ability to ignore the empty-head Unions - thankfully Unison seem to be on thebir last legs. 100 protestors at a major meeting, 20 last week and a handful for IDS visit. Smash the unions -way to go!!
Come back soon IDS.

Smash teh unions and return to the bad old days of work mills underpaid workers, working extra long hours with no holidays and forget about family life. Also where what the owners says go, no matter what!!!

No thanks - the unions have done a lot to help bring about al lot of the hose and they also help out in case where a worker is unjustifiably being bullied or picked on by bosses.

But lets forget about history and get reid of unions because they are old-hat and represent sweet FA in a modern world and never helped to shape the moder world!!!

I ain't a "lefty" or "socialist" as berushka would say, and definitely not part of any union, but a realist and know my history and can also see what would happen if it wasn't for the unions!!!

how come ids was'nt wearing a swastika armband and jackboots?

berushka wrote:

schmuckyZ wrote:
Shame the IRA didn`t take Thatcher out back in `84. Guess the luck of Hitler followed her (cf. Operation Valkyrie).

this must rank as one of the filthiest and lowest comments ever made on these pages. You animal, that evil body of murderers killed some very decent people, soldiers, children, families, Earl Mountbatten and many Police Officers, and your comments are disgusting. Typical socialist thug, crawl back under your labour council-house rock.

berushka - Tories killing off decent family life (not shirkers), and with the cuts to public services, NHS, Military sectors, Police services, they will rank as the vilest evil body of parasites to have existed

berushka wrote:

Robert2012 wrote:

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:

toryhater wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Shouldn't these knobs from the unions have been at work?

those 'knobs' from the union went in their own time, sad isn't it people getting up and out strivers/campaigning and not shirking on their computer, you saddo.

All of them? And you know this how, exactly?

i was there, and knew everyone of the other dozen protesters, ALL IN THEIR OWN TIME

We're you blowing your whistle loudly?

Dozen?

Up the revolution comrade...

and half of them only followed 'cause they thought there would be free butties and beer at the end of it!

what at 10 in the morning, your sarcarism is a bit poor ................... bacon butties and a brew would have been nice though

there are some scroungers who have exploited the benefit system for many years, just look at that woman who has been claiming benefit for 60 years and lives in a taxpayer funded mansion,
the queen, will she be paying the bedroom tax?

You Tory creatures and union do-nothings are as bad as each other. Go to hell the lot of you, take that oozing pussbag IDS with you and leave us humans to create a free open democracy, k?

tjtj1113 wrote:
sheep Robert2012, do any of you research or just believe the lies the scum in spout? they are not taxing people who do not need bedrooms, if they were just moving people who were actually in a far too big house then fine but thats not case why do you think a couple only in a 2 bed? or a single man in wheelchair adapted house in a 2 bed cos there are no 1 bed ones you dim wits, service men who away there room is "spare" to gov in USA its child abuse to put kids over 6 in same room , here nope stick you autistic violent teen with the 3 year old, oh wife sleeps in hospital bed and another normal bed for hubby won't fit hey ho you still pay, at least if gonna have an opinion make it at least half way educated and whilst researching check how secure your job is as well and keep us informed so we can see you wake up to reality, and as for the "all on welfare by booze" but you happy for scumoron charging taxpayers for a 16k wine tasting session for himself thats ok is it? as long as he happy its irrelevant how many corpse pile up yeah????karma is a **** remember that

WHAT DID HE SAY !!!

toryhater wrote:

berushka wrote:

schmuckyZ wrote:
Shame the IRA didn`t take Thatcher out back in `84. Guess the luck of Hitler followed her (cf. Operation Valkyrie).

this must rank as one of the filthiest and lowest comments ever made on these pages. You animal, that evil body of murderers killed some very decent people, soldiers, children, families, Earl Mountbatten and many Police Officers, and your comments are disgusting. Typical socialist thug, crawl back under your labour council-house rock.

berushka - Tories killing off decent family life (not shirkers), and with the cuts to public services, NHS, Military sectors, Police services, they will rank as the vilest evil body of parasites to have existed

@Berushka and other Toryphiles and annti-Unionists

And with the army already having had some of its budget cut, would you call those soldiers who have lost their jobs and having to live off benefits as lazy, job-shirkers and/or waste of space???

Remember it is this Government that has cut too deep created unemployment and have to claim benefits; created a situation where people in work still have to claim benefits to have a "living" household income; taken money away from councils so even more job losses, loss of services, reduction of services, and higher Council Tax!!!

The Government may have reduced teh deficit but the debt is getting bigger with each month they are still in power and having to borrow more each month. Its already stated that Osbourne will miss his borrowing target by quite a few million, if not a billion or two, because of the what they have created!!!

ARBEE wrote:

tjtj1113 wrote:
sheep Robert2012, do any of you research or just believe the lies the scum in spout? they are not taxing people who do not need bedrooms, if they were just moving people who were actually in a far too big house then fine but thats not case why do you think a couple only in a 2 bed? or a single man in wheelchair adapted house in a 2 bed cos there are no 1 bed ones you dim wits, service men who away there room is "spare" to gov in USA its child abuse to put kids over 6 in same room , here nope stick you autistic violent teen with the 3 year old, oh wife sleeps in hospital bed and another normal bed for hubby won't fit hey ho you still pay, at least if gonna have an opinion make it at least half way educated and whilst researching check how secure your job is as well and keep us informed so we can see you wake up to reality, and as for the "all on welfare by booze" but you happy for scumoron charging taxpayers for a 16k wine tasting session for himself thats ok is it? as long as he happy its irrelevant how many corpse pile up yeah????karma is a **** remember that

WHAT DID HE SAY !!!

I am writing this in English - if you want it translating, then get a friend to do it for you!

How about going to English classes, as you bound to live in the country, and then you will be able to read the post?

I would love to know what facts IDS was looking for?
Could it be that he was here to oversee a newer and more evil plan for the weak and poor of Bolton?
Gas chambers perhaps on the town hall square?
Is this what it would take for people to realise that we are allowing the vulnerable to be Condem scapegoats?
IDS and his policies should be condemned by every civilised person in the country.

BWFC71 wrote:

Robert2012 wrote:
And breathe......

Love to pick my way through that...however I have work in the morning...self employed brickie...no work no pay...no holiday pay and no pension....no 13 weeks holiday...training days...flexi time or final salary pension for this kid....

It's been fun

Just backhanders and paying less tax due to the fact of the backhanders and all the brown envelopes!! And yet you call Labour and the unemployed - you are worse then any of them!!! No wonder you can afford your own house, a decent car, fantastic holidays with all the tax you don't pay!!!

You can try to pick your way through, but as you have admitted defeat and know what I have said to be totallly correct then on this occassion i will forgive your ignorance and hope you have learned someting about the truth rather than Government propaganda!!!

What are you talking about you retard?

I amd self employed because I work for every penny six days a week..paying more tax than you can possibly imagine to keep you and the rest of the parasites in this country who sponge and think they deserve everything for nothing...

I can afford a house because I worked my arse off for itand didn't expect someone to give it to me on a plate...

And you sancatominious fool...I haven't taken my kids on holiday for four years....because numb nuts...I don't work I don't get paid....

So I think you are the ignorant one you tool...

You call me a parasite.

Shows how little you know.

In fact you have called every armed service memeber who have been made redundant and having to live on benefits, due to lack of jobs, as a parasite with that one sentance. Just as much as every public service employee, now unemployed who has worked for the council or Government due to the cuts.

How very patrotic of you!!!

I honestly do not think you have paid more tax than myself. I have worked for more than 20 years, worked hard, worked over time and even worked weekends when I had to - but i still lost my job and was unemployed for 16 months - and yet you call me a parasite! I have my own place - in fact I own two properties in two separate countries. Sure not had a holiday for last 3 years but thats my choice as I could have done with the severance pay I received, but decided that searching for a new job was more important - and yet you call me a parasite!!! Plus I was in the high tax bracket, were you, with my new job i will be in the higher tax bracket - which is probably more tax than you will ever earn!!!

How many backhanders did you do in the last tax year?? How much tax are you claiming back from the Government?? How much are ytou paying towards your own pension, or will you be relying on a state pension???

Now numb-nuts get back to your creative tax-dodging brick-laying!! What an ignoramous!

Clairification - I didn't go on holiday for 3 years out of choice and it was the last 16 months in which I haven't worked I decided to put any holiday on hold until getting a new job - but next holiday already booked - well deserved I should say!

Plus teh only benefit I have ever claimed was the Job-seekers whilst unemployed - well I have paid into it and as such deserved the benefit. You were wrong as I worked hard to pay my tax and as such the benefits have been worked for and as such didn't receive it for nothing - numbskull!!!

Robert2012 wrote:
Well said I ludicrous...

The left haven't got a clue...bedroom tax do me a favour...pure propaganda by the union fools...

Please tell me why a couple living in a three bedroom house...who don't need those extra bedrooms anymore shouldn't be penalised for the privilege?

Shouldn't that house go to a family who need it?

There all just gutted because it will be less money to spend on special brew, Rothmans king size and on the two thirty at Chepstow....

What a load of cobblers you spout! Why should someone who as worked on a house and garden, brought up their kids there, got loads of memories of the place and are comfortable there be penalised for refusing to move to house some Eastern or Asian family because I'll tell you my friend local born and breds are well down the list for these homes!

hoboh2o wrote:

Robert2012 wrote: Well said I ludicrous... The left haven't got a clue...bedroom tax do me a favour...pure propaganda by the union fools... Please tell me why a couple living in a three bedroom house...who don't need those extra bedrooms anymore shouldn't be penalised for the privilege? Shouldn't that house go to a family who need it? There all just gutted because it will be less money to spend on special brew, Rothmans king size and on the two thirty at Chepstow....

What a load of cobblers you spout! Why should someone who as worked on a house and garden, brought up their kids there, got loads of memories of the place and are comfortable there be penalised for refusing to move to house some Eastern or Asian family because I'll tell you my friend local born and breds are well down the list for these homes!

I see that you have been reading The Daily Fail yet again! Did you know that ALL their stories are 1 part fact and 9 parts conjecture?

They like to spread fear stories to whip their readers up into a frenzy, even when there is no actual story!

This sort of schme works exceedingly well abroad. Anyone who signs up for a social house is reveiwed every 1 to 2 years, and if there are any changes such as either increase in family or decrease in fakilt then change will happen such as moving to a bigger or smaller dwelling!!! Also once a household has an income of so much they are then given 3 months to find somewhere outside the social housing system.

If you really believe that these social houses are going to Eastern Europeans or Asian families, who are not British born, then we would like specific examples - if you cannot provide any then you are just as bad as The Daily Fail in trying to scaremonger!!!

(Oh and by the way what is point of using a Polish family for an example when the UK have been accepting Polish people into the UK for well over 200 years, and veen more so since the end of World War II - remember it was due to closeness with Poland that got us into the war after Germany invaded them - but don't let history get in the way for a good scare. Also let's not forget that many Asian countries were part of the great British Empire and are still part of the Commonwealth, so, again, there is a closeness and don't let history get in the way for a good scare!!! Their countries are all closely linked with our through teh vlast few hundred years and we have accepted them with open arms throughout the whole of that period!!!

BWFC71 wrote:

exiled wrote:
Hardly a hush-hush visit, if he has coffee in a public place then walks across our town, fair play to him for getting from behind his desk and coming to speak with the DSS lot.

Got to admire his determination to save the country from the socialists Blair/Brown who squandered the UK's money, and his ability to ignore the empty-head Unions - thankfully Unison seem to be on thebir last legs. 100 protestors at a major meeting, 20 last week and a handful for IDS visit. Smash the unions -way to go!!
Come back soon IDS.

Smash teh unions and return to the bad old days of work mills underpaid workers, working extra long hours with no holidays and forget about family life. Also where what the owners says go, no matter what!!!

No thanks - the unions have done a lot to help bring about al lot of the hose and they also help out in case where a worker is unjustifiably being bullied or picked on by bosses.

But lets forget about history and get reid of unions because they are old-hat and represent sweet FA in a modern world and never helped to shape the moder world!!!

I ain't a "lefty" or "socialist" as berushka would say, and definitely not part of any union, but a realist and know my history and can also see what would happen if it wasn't for the unions!!!

BWFC71 you're right that the unions were set up to protect the rights of workers from unfair bosses acting unreasonable, but though time the union's role has changed from it's original cause, to being a vehicle used to disagree and object to "everything" large employers and politicians wish to do. Look at teaching unions for example, they want to have a say in everything when the teachers are, frankly, employees who should do what they are employed to do by their bosses.

If there had never been Unions, people would not have the standard of living they have got today!

People today don't know they are born with a free health service, pension's, redundancy payments and a benefit system to fall back on when out of work etc.

Perhaps the Union critic's would like to return to the bad old days' of the depression or even Victorian times.

Wigan Trotter wrote:
If there had never been Unions, people would not have the standard of living they have got today!

People today don't know they are born with a free health service, pension's, redundancy payments and a benefit system to fall back on when out of work etc.

Perhaps the Union critic's would like to return to the bad old days' of the depression or even Victorian times.

I totally agree bar the point of free health service as we do pay for it through the National Insurance scheme.

Having lived abroad and knowing their health systems (i.e. pay there and then and claim back from the insurance company) our is far superior but its our own Governmnets fault that they did not put limitations in place with regards to certain individuals who come over specificially for health treatment! (definitely not the fault of the EU as UKIP keeps trying to say!)

BWFC71 wrote:

temujin wrote:
Of course he's welcome. It's a change to see a minister trying to tackle the inflated welfare bill created by Labour in an effort to bribe the workshy to turn out of bed and vote for Brown & Co.

Which was created under Thatcherism when she destroyed the minig industry and basically the whole manufacting industry in the UK, as well as making jobs such as electricians and plumbers as the scourge of the earth jobs.

People are not workshy, there are just not the jobs out there.

The propaganda at the moment is that there has never been so many people in employment as there is now in the UK. But what type of employment? Part-time work on minimum wage is what they are talking about - so people still require the benefits to actually live!!!! One statistic the Government has not mentioned but can be found is that there are now the most number of people WITH a job but still having to claim benefits because of the lowly paid wages - whose fault is that - Labour or The Conservatives???

Another fact, that has come out today, is that manufacting is down, yet again, and compounding the first ever triple-dip recession in the UK! With recession comes more unemployment and don't forget that people in teh public sector are still being laid off which has a knock-on effect within teh public sector - so how many more "workshy" people are there going to be in 6 months time?

The Welfare bill is only inflated because they have made it so. The Government predicted that those being made redundant in the public sector - well over 5 million, would be able to find a job in the private sector - it hasn't happened!!!! So of those not able to find a job, are they workshy???

I have been unemployed for the last 18 months and I have been doing well over 100 applications a week to find a new job (luckily I have now) but does that make me workshy because I am not working and was claiming benefits????

Arrrrrgh was meant to like your comment "bloody touch screen" & bloody BN .. Can't change my dislike to love it !! Very well said my dear.... To many toffs looking down on ppl destroying the genuine ppl who are seeking work but have low confidence ..." Never look down on anyone unless your helping them up!!!! The job centre does not help... However if u don't speak English ... You get every thing on a plate .

The decline started started when Thatcher with her obsession of beating the Union's, destroyed all our major manufacturing industries which provided the backbone of our economy and from which this country will never recover irrespective of which party is in power!

Typical thick Bolton scum - showing the town for what it is seen as by many these days. Its a decaying inward thinking hovel stuck in a time warp with a low quality populace who think the world owes them a living. Walking through the centre is like walking through the middle of a third world country. Scruffy dirty thick people munching pasties and smoking, whilst pushing their government subsidised kids home to their houises funded by decent tax payers. Even the charity shops are closing now. No wonder it is known as one of the poorest and least attractive places to live in the UK. By the way I am a Boltonian and certainly not proud to be one. I tell people that Im from 'near Manchester'. Let Bolton fester in its own self-made pot of bile and ill-feeling. God knows what the town will be like in 10 years!!!