"Jimmy Savile scandal could happen again" warns chief constable

"Jimmy Saville scandal could happen again" warns chief constable "Jimmy Saville scandal could happen again" warns chief constable

A national police force could help to prevent the failings identified in the Jimmy Savile case from happening again, according to Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy.

Sir Peter, who heads up Greater Manchester Police, said individuals rather than the overall system were being blamed for failures and that the fundamental underlying issues were not being addressed.

The lack of a national police headquarters, he added, caused communication difficulties between forces.

And although he added that a police national database operational since 2011 had enabled forces to share intelligence, he believes localism makes it more difficult to deal with cross-boundary cases.

A national police force is being created in Scotland but there are no plans for something similar in England and Wales.

In a lengthy statement emailed to the media, Sir Peter said: “[We] have had a police national database operational since 2011 to enable forces to share intelligence [but] it has to be acknowledged that having 43 separate police forces in England and Wales and no national headquarters for policing makes achieving consistent national standards all the more difficult."

The lack of national co-ordination, he said, led to tensions among forces.

He added: "The management of intelligence always involves some degree of subjectivity in assessing the reliability of that intelligence and its veracity - this is not an exact science. When links are identified which cross force boundaries and periods of time there are some inevitable tensions in deciding which force will take on the investigation."

He said the lack of co-ordination across force was only part of the problem and that Britain needs to address the way victims of sexual crimes are treated. He went on to say:

  • victims of burglary are not blamed for leaving a door open but in sexual offences the behaviour of the victim is scrutinised.
  • this pressure on the victim and the way any weakness are exploited means prosecutors and police officers are cautious in taking cases to court.
  • sexual predators will inevitably pick on vulnerable victims who often have other problems in their lives and suffer from low self-esteem leading to a reluctance to come forward

Mr Fahy also expressed concern that unconvicted people are removed from the DNA database because of concerns over civil liberties when their details could be useful in future investigations.

He said: "There is always a difficult balance between the need to record suspicions and uncorroborated information and the rights of the subject."

He said there was "understandable" public concern about police recording unsubstantiated intelligence particularly when this related to allegations of sexual offending and how this affects people when they are vetted for jobs.

Police forces, he added, had significantly improved the way that victims are treated but it has not solved the problem entirely.

"But the fact is many, many victims do not come forward or if they do are reluctant to support a prosecution," he continued. "This highlights another issue in the way our adversarial court system treats victims. Whatever other evidence is collected prosecutions for sexual offences rely hugely on the evidence of the victim.

"In a case of burglary the victim will not be blamed for leaving the front door unlocked.

"In sexual offences the behaviour of the victim, whether they had been drinking, any weaknesses of character how they were dressed may well be picked over at great length in the court room.

"Where the details are particularly salacious or the case involves a celebrity then these very intimate detail will received full publicity in the media but the main impact is the trauma the victim will go through in the court room.

"This was sadly highlighted by the recent case involving Frances Andrade and the Chetham’s School of Music.

“This pressure on the victim and the way any weakness will be exploited means that prosecutors and police officers are cautious in taking cases to court. This is understandable although the DPP has recently issued new guidance on this.

“Sexual predators will inevitably pick on vulnerable victims who often have other problems in their lives and suffer from low self-esteem.

"The nature of the abuse will further damage them and it is not surprising therefore that they are reluctant to come forward and that those concerned with their welfare worry about the additional significant trauma if a not guilty verdict results and the abuser is seen to win.

“Great developments have been made in child welfare and there are many dedicated professional and volunteers involved but the fact is the system still struggles to safeguard vulnerable young people who are determined to be on the street or are determined to continue with inappropriate relationships.

"The care system does its best but unless society is prepared to turn childrens homes into prison and care workers into wardens which would not be acceptable we will still have cases of young people who go missing many time during a year or out of the control of their families who themselves are often in difficult circumstances.

“We can continue to criticise individual members of staff for individual failings but this ignores the complexity of these issues and the way that our system of criminal justice affects the victims of sexual offences.

"There is little public support for a national police force as is being created in Scotland but while localism has many strengths it does make it more difficult when cases cross boundaries and when we are trying to achieve national standards.”

Comments (13)

11:50am Tue 12 Mar 13

Comment777 says...

So what does this chief constable know that we do not???

A situation similar to that alleged against Jimmy Saville could be uncovered,
maybe it is personal or maybe not!!!!
So what does this chief constable know that we do not??? A situation similar to that alleged against Jimmy Saville could be uncovered, maybe it is personal or maybe not!!!! Comment777

12:04pm Tue 12 Mar 13

boltonnut says...

These sexual assaults didn't happen because of the lack of policeing ,they happened because of cover ups by very powerful important people who were allegedly involved. This sickness is contagious and it spread through the government,entertain
ment industry,religious institutions at an alarming rate.People were afraid to expose the goings on because of reprisals.With modern media and technology it's harder for these perv scumans to commit these crimes,but they still happen,just look at (our Kev)and (our Stu) plus the clergy of various religions.Give the police a sharp knife,that might help to cut off (oops) out the sickness.
These sexual assaults didn't happen because of the lack of policeing ,they happened because of cover ups by very powerful important people who were allegedly involved. This sickness is contagious and it spread through the government,entertain ment industry,religious institutions at an alarming rate.People were afraid to expose the goings on because of reprisals.With modern media and technology it's harder for these perv scumans to commit these crimes,but they still happen,just look at (our Kev)and (our Stu) plus the clergy of various religions.Give the police a sharp knife,that might help to cut off (oops) out the sickness. boltonnut

12:41pm Tue 12 Mar 13

boltonnut says...

Im back.Just finished reading about the pervs messing with the studenst at the Islamic girls school.I noticed we can't make comments about the article.Very little info has been released by the BN.Delicate circumstances,don't want to upset certain people.No info,no names.Cover up??????You will also notice bail has been granted,God (wich ever one you worship) forbid if the pervs rights are impinged.They are being set among the public to continue their perversions until they are brought to justice,which could be a very long time as the case with our Jimmy our Kev our stu our prime minister our clergy.
Im back.Just finished reading about the pervs messing with the studenst at the Islamic girls school.I noticed we can't make comments about the article.Very little info has been released by the BN.Delicate circumstances,don't want to upset certain people.No info,no names.Cover up??????You will also notice bail has been granted,God (wich ever one you worship) forbid if the pervs rights are impinged.They are being set among the public to continue their perversions until they are brought to justice,which could be a very long time as the case with our Jimmy our Kev our stu our prime minister our clergy. boltonnut

2:31pm Tue 12 Mar 13

moosa says...

I wonder George & his cronies are??

Oh... I forgot they only crawl out of the woodworks when it's concerns foreigners!!!
I wonder George & his cronies are?? Oh... I forgot they only crawl out of the woodworks when it's concerns foreigners!!! moosa

4:34pm Tue 12 Mar 13

Kevin Turvey says...

It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations

The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.
It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit. Kevin Turvey

8:35pm Tue 12 Mar 13

bwfc0210 says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations

The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.
Always love it when someone criticises bad spelling, then gets it wrong themselves, misspelling. Sentiments are correct though.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.[/p][/quote]Always love it when someone criticises bad spelling, then gets it wrong themselves, misspelling. Sentiments are correct though. bwfc0210

8:54pm Tue 12 Mar 13

I, Ludicrous says...

bwfc0210 wrote:
Kevin Turvey wrote:
It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations

The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.
Always love it when someone criticises bad spelling, then gets it wrong themselves, misspelling. Sentiments are correct though.
McKean's law, I believe. 'Any correction of the speech or writing of others will contain at least one grammatical, spelling, or typographical error'.
[quote][p][bold]bwfc0210[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.[/p][/quote]Always love it when someone criticises bad spelling, then gets it wrong themselves, misspelling. Sentiments are correct though.[/p][/quote]McKean's law, I believe. 'Any correction of the speech or writing of others will contain at least one grammatical, spelling, or typographical error'. I, Ludicrous

1:57am Wed 13 Mar 13

Marzi30 says...

Hmmmmm, hasn't it just been reported in the BN that Bolton teacher Tariq Qureshi has just been suspended by a Teaching Agency Hearing (what's one of them ?) for 3 years - Yes 3 years !!! for inappropriate behaviour and comments made towards pupils ? With ridiculous decisions such as this being made of course incidents such as those uncovered by the Savile inquiry are bound to occur once more. There's no flies on this Chief Constable is there ?
Hmmmmm, hasn't it just been reported in the BN that Bolton teacher Tariq Qureshi has just been suspended by a Teaching Agency Hearing (what's one of them ?) for 3 years - Yes 3 years !!! for inappropriate behaviour and comments made towards pupils ? With ridiculous decisions such as this being made of course incidents such as those uncovered by the Savile inquiry are bound to occur once more. There's no flies on this Chief Constable is there ? Marzi30

8:54am Wed 13 Mar 13

Comment777 says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations

The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.
They have spelt his name correctly...Savile although I also thought it was spelled with a double ll...
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.[/p][/quote]They have spelt his name correctly...Savile although I also thought it was spelled with a double ll... Comment777

8:56am Wed 13 Mar 13

Comment777 says...

bwfc0210 wrote:
Kevin Turvey wrote:
It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations

The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.
Always love it when someone criticises bad spelling, then gets it wrong themselves, misspelling. Sentiments are correct though.
A classic fail...
[quote][p][bold]bwfc0210[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.[/p][/quote]Always love it when someone criticises bad spelling, then gets it wrong themselves, misspelling. Sentiments are correct though.[/p][/quote]A classic fail... Comment777

8:57am Wed 13 Mar 13

Comment777 says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations

The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.
No excuse in writing full stop...do you have a spell checker???
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: It's spelled Savile, not Saville. There is no excuse for mispelling in a newspaper - especially the name of someone so infamous. You've managed to do it three times on one page. Congratulations The Bolton News nowadays comes across as a very amateur outfit.[/p][/quote]No excuse in writing full stop...do you have a spell checker??? Comment777

9:22am Wed 13 Mar 13

georgethebrave says...

Fahy didn't make one single reference to muslim groomers, he mustn't think there's a problem with the dirty pigs! Not only do they groom them they give them illegal drugs, prostitute them to the extended family of pervs on the male side of the house, so that's at least 3 crimes in one but not one mention! It's about time the waste of space police grew some nads and told the truth!
Fahy didn't make one single reference to muslim groomers, he mustn't think there's a problem with the dirty pigs! Not only do they groom them they give them illegal drugs, prostitute them to the extended family of pervs on the male side of the house, so that's at least 3 crimes in one but not one mention! It's about time the waste of space police grew some nads and told the truth! georgethebrave

10:38pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Wolfie190 says...

georgethebrave wrote:
Fahy didn't make one single reference to muslim groomers, he mustn't think there's a problem with the dirty pigs! Not only do they groom them they give them illegal drugs, prostitute them to the extended family of pervs on the male side of the house, so that's at least 3 crimes in one but not one mention! It's about time the waste of space police grew some nads and told the truth!
This guy was denying any link to Muslims in the Muslim rape gangs scandal thats been popping up all over the country, he's basically been condoning the drugging and gang raping of vulnerable English schoolgirls by immigrants in the name of 'Community cohesion' what hope have we in this country with our chiefs of police and politicians willing to over look these crimes.
[quote][p][bold]georgethebrave[/bold] wrote: Fahy didn't make one single reference to muslim groomers, he mustn't think there's a problem with the dirty pigs! Not only do they groom them they give them illegal drugs, prostitute them to the extended family of pervs on the male side of the house, so that's at least 3 crimes in one but not one mention! It's about time the waste of space police grew some nads and told the truth![/p][/quote]This guy was denying any link to Muslims in the Muslim rape gangs scandal thats been popping up all over the country, he's basically been condoning the drugging and gang raping of vulnerable English schoolgirls by immigrants in the name of 'Community cohesion' what hope have we in this country with our chiefs of police and politicians willing to over look these crimes. Wolfie190

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