Public sector workers can expect more of the same: Chancellor

9:07am Thursday 21st March 2013 in News

HUNDREDS of public sector workers across Bolton walked out on strike over cuts to jobs, pay and pensions — as Chancellor George Osborne announced there will be more to come.

More than 500 Bolton civil servants downed tools and manned picket lines yesterday as part of a national day of industrial action by the Public and Commercial Services (PCS) union.

Bolton Crown Court, the Department for Work and Pensions disability assessment centre at Elizabeth House, Bolton and Farnworth Jobcentres, and the driving test centre in Weston Street were hit by the 24-hour national strike.

It came as the Chancellor delivered his Budget, and revealed the country’s growth forecast for this year had been halved from 1.2 per cent to 0.6 per cent, and that there would be £11.5 billion of further cuts earmarked in his 2015-16 spending review.

Mr Osborne announced an extra £3 billion a year in infrastructure spending from 2015 to 2020 — including the construction of 15,000 new “affordable” homes — to stimulate the economy, but that some of the money would come from more public sector cuts.

He said public sector pay increases would be capped at one per cent in 2015-16, and that over the next two years most government departments would see a one per cent spending cut — except for schools and the NHS.

But he also announced the three per cent rise on fuel duty, which had been planned for September, would be scrapped, and that the annual two per cent above-inflation “beer escalator” tax was also being axed.

From Sunday, beer duty will also be cut by one per cent.

Personal tax allowance will also be raised to £10,000 from next year, not from 2015 as originally planned, meaning workers will be able to earn £10,000 before they start paying income tax.

Mr Osborne unveiled a new “help-to-buy” scheme, meaning if someone puts down a five per cent deposit on a new build property, the government will offer a 20 per cent loan, which would be repaid when the house was sold.

He said a mortgage guarantee scheme would also help lenders provide loans to people without deposits.

Peter Middleman, PCS North West Regional Secretary, said: “The strikes were very well supported but the budget just confirmed our worst fears.

“In terms of more cuts, all the low-hanging fruit was picked off years ago so how he can find more savings without harming front line services is anybody’s guess.

“The medicine has been killing the patient for several years now, our members are hurting and they’re not spending money on goods and services.”

David Crausby, MP for Bolton North East, added: “He spoke for an hour saying what he would do in future years but not what he would do immediately.

“The penny off a pint is welcome but it’s not much in the grand scheme of things and just something he dropped into a very dull budget.”

But David Greenhalgh, leader of Bolton’s Conservative group, welcomed news of the £10,000 personal allowance being brought forward as well as plans to build more homes.

He said: “This is a budget that supports people who want to work hard and aspire but will encourage growth without increasing borrowing, which is what Labour wanted us to do.”

Bolton South East MP Yasmin Qureshi, claimed the government was “trying to dig a bigger hole” between what it deemed to be the “deserving and non-deserving poor”.

She said: “The thing about buying a house is it’s for people who’ve got a decent income, but what about the people who are unemployed?

“What about the disabled, the young and the vulnerable?

“There was nothing in this budget for them.”

Roger Hayes, leader of Bolton Liberal Democrats, said: “I’m pleased they’ve taken forward two of our policies, bringing forward the income tax threshold and single persons’ pensions.

“I’m pleased about the house building and support for new housing, but am disappointed there’s nothing in there for new social housing.”

Bolton West MP Julie Hilling said: “This is a budget of cuts today and jam tomorrow — after the next General Election.

“Once again the Chancellor is promising high and delivering low.

“He still has no answer to a flatlining economy, one million unemployed young people and ever-squeezed hard working families.

“Yet he is still going ahead with his tax cuts to millionaires.”

Bolton Unison branch chairman Matt Kilsby said: “Osborne is out of ideas and should be out of a job.

“The economy is in crisis and yet he refuses to halt the Tories’ vicious cuts agenda that is wreaking havoc on our public services and throwing hundreds of thousands of workers onto the dole.”

Comments (23)

9:56am Thu 21 Mar 13

William2701 says...

So presumably the public sector workers feel they are immune to the pay cuts/no pay rises that millions of preivate sector workers have had to endure over the last 5 or so years. I think not.

Let us remeber that this recession started under Gordon Brown- the "no more boom and bust" Chancellor who when promising that forgot to add that HIS policies would actually lead to no more boom. The financial watchdogs were warning of black holes in Brown's budgets as far back as 2003.

Labour bankrupted this country and we are now all having to pay for it.
So presumably the public sector workers feel they are immune to the pay cuts/no pay rises that millions of preivate sector workers have had to endure over the last 5 or so years. I think not. Let us remeber that this recession started under Gordon Brown- the "no more boom and bust" Chancellor who when promising that forgot to add that HIS policies would actually lead to no more boom. The financial watchdogs were warning of black holes in Brown's budgets as far back as 2003. Labour bankrupted this country and we are now all having to pay for it. William2701

10:28am Thu 21 Mar 13

liquoricet says...

Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already!
Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already! liquoricet

10:47am Thu 21 Mar 13

thealexweb says...

liquoricet wrote:
Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already!
Some people in the private sector haven't had a pay rise for 5+ years. Deal with it like we have had too.
[quote][p][bold]liquoricet[/bold] wrote: Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already![/p][/quote]Some people in the private sector haven't had a pay rise for 5+ years. Deal with it like we have had too. thealexweb

11:20am Thu 21 Mar 13

cliff4treasurer says...

But the rich are still getting richer so how does that work?
I voted labour all my life but the last labour government destroyed this country for years to come and if it ever gets better it won't be done under a labour government.
What do you think a labour government would do about the Romainian influx given there track record?
They certainly wouldn't be looking at ways to stop the mass immigration from there next year and don't fool yourself into thinking it won't happen it will.
It would be more strain on our health service,schools,bene
fits system etc and claims for "overseas children" nodded through by the last lot.
No,i don't like the cuts to services and jobs either but don't blame the tories they are trying to sort it out but also making mistakes ,who wouldn't given the sh** we are in.The council staff should consider themselves fortunate ,the ones still in work that is,but we should also remember it's the unions that drove up the living standards for all, including the private sector, so don't knock them too much either ,although they had some lemmings in the past leading them,Scargill,Red Ken etc.
But the rich are still getting richer so how does that work? I voted labour all my life but the last labour government destroyed this country for years to come and if it ever gets better it won't be done under a labour government. What do you think a labour government would do about the Romainian influx given there track record? They certainly wouldn't be looking at ways to stop the mass immigration from there next year and don't fool yourself into thinking it won't happen it will. It would be more strain on our health service,schools,bene fits system etc and claims for "overseas children" nodded through by the last lot. No,i don't like the cuts to services and jobs either but don't blame the tories they are trying to sort it out but also making mistakes ,who wouldn't given the sh** we are in.The council staff should consider themselves fortunate ,the ones still in work that is,but we should also remember it's the unions that drove up the living standards for all, including the private sector, so don't knock them too much either ,although they had some lemmings in the past leading them,Scargill,Red Ken etc. cliff4treasurer

1:00pm Thu 21 Mar 13

boltonnut says...

The union workers set the bar, if reasonable bargining can't come to a resolve then stiking is an option.If and when agreements are reached then a standard will be set, these standards eventually will filter doen to non union workers.So you should be thankful that some workers are willing to challange the FAT CATS for decent wages and a decent standard of life.
The union workers set the bar, if reasonable bargining can't come to a resolve then stiking is an option.If and when agreements are reached then a standard will be set, these standards eventually will filter doen to non union workers.So you should be thankful that some workers are willing to challange the FAT CATS for decent wages and a decent standard of life. boltonnut

2:54pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Tim Burr says...

So those who turned up for their disability assessments were not seen leading to what, no benefits for them due to the selfish acts of public sector 'workers'?
Having a photo of a smiling poor, hard done by public sector leech is a brilliant piece of propaganda against these 'workers' actions by the Bolton News, well done you!!
So those who turned up for their disability assessments were not seen leading to what, no benefits for them due to the selfish acts of public sector 'workers'? Having a photo of a smiling poor, hard done by public sector leech is a brilliant piece of propaganda against these 'workers' actions by the Bolton News, well done you!! Tim Burr

3:26pm Thu 21 Mar 13

buckfuzzby says...

Nowhere in the Chancellors speech was there any mention of cuts to jobs, pay and pensions in the public sector, beginning with MPs pay etc.
This is just another case of "do as I say, not do as I do" very typical of this government.
Nowhere in the Chancellors speech was there any mention of cuts to jobs, pay and pensions in the public sector, beginning with MPs pay etc. This is just another case of "do as I say, not do as I do" very typical of this government. buckfuzzby

5:08pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Ihatemyfellowneighbours says...

liquoricet wrote:
Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already!
Join the club I work In the private sector and have taken a 30% cut. No golden pension pot for us.
[quote][p][bold]liquoricet[/bold] wrote: Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already![/p][/quote]Join the club I work In the private sector and have taken a 30% cut. No golden pension pot for us. Ihatemyfellowneighbours

5:11pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Ihatemyfellowneighbours says...

boltonnut wrote:
The union workers set the bar, if reasonable bargining can't come to a resolve then stiking is an option.If and when agreements are reached then a standard will be set, these standards eventually will filter doen to non union workers.So you should be thankful that some workers are willing to challange the FAT CATS for decent wages and a decent standard of life.
Sean Harris £178,000 Pa plus final salary your Boss if fleecing the town write to him :)
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: The union workers set the bar, if reasonable bargining can't come to a resolve then stiking is an option.If and when agreements are reached then a standard will be set, these standards eventually will filter doen to non union workers.So you should be thankful that some workers are willing to challange the FAT CATS for decent wages and a decent standard of life.[/p][/quote]Sean Harris £178,000 Pa plus final salary your Boss if fleecing the town write to him :) Ihatemyfellowneighbours

5:16pm Thu 21 Mar 13

katooo says...

" sack the coucil"
" sack the coucil" katooo

5:45pm Thu 21 Mar 13

buckfuzzby says...

Ihatemyfellowneighbo
urs wrote:
boltonnut wrote:
The union workers set the bar, if reasonable bargining can't come to a resolve then stiking is an option.If and when agreements are reached then a standard will be set, these standards eventually will filter doen to non union workers.So you should be thankful that some workers are willing to challange the FAT CATS for decent wages and a decent standard of life.
Sean Harris £178,000 Pa plus final salary your Boss if fleecing the town write to him :)
Did you miss the "n" out of "sti king"?
[quote][p][bold]Ihatemyfellowneighbo urs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: The union workers set the bar, if reasonable bargining can't come to a resolve then stiking is an option.If and when agreements are reached then a standard will be set, these standards eventually will filter doen to non union workers.So you should be thankful that some workers are willing to challange the FAT CATS for decent wages and a decent standard of life.[/p][/quote]Sean Harris £178,000 Pa plus final salary your Boss if fleecing the town write to him :)[/p][/quote]Did you miss the "n" out of "sti king"? buckfuzzby

7:11pm Thu 21 Mar 13

bwfc58 says...

If People in this Country Start to Vote UKIP in the Local and National Elections . then this Once great Country of ours would be back to were it once was a Country all the British People would be proud of . there is no way they would let Romainians come and live in this Country to live of Benefits so be brave and give UKIP a chance . and all this government want to do is cuts spending here there and everywhere and lose 1.000.000 jobs . and still will let these Romainians enter this Country . it is very Worrying as they are worst then Gypsy's and that is putting it likely .
If People in this Country Start to Vote UKIP in the Local and National Elections . then this Once great Country of ours would be back to were it once was a Country all the British People would be proud of . there is no way they would let Romainians come and live in this Country to live of Benefits so be brave and give UKIP a chance . and all this government want to do is cuts spending here there and everywhere and lose 1.000.000 jobs . and still will let these Romainians enter this Country . it is very Worrying as they are worst then Gypsy's and that is putting it likely . bwfc58

8:50pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Love Bolton says...

Who in their right minds is going to risk such an enormous amount on an inflated housing market? Even if they did think their job was secure (if there is such a thing these days).
Surely the key is for house prices to normalise and then they become affordable by the average salaries?
Seems to me this is taking us into more risk and in particular those poor people starting on the housing ladder.
Who in their right minds is going to risk such an enormous amount on an inflated housing market? Even if they did think their job was secure (if there is such a thing these days). Surely the key is for house prices to normalise and then they become affordable by the average salaries? Seems to me this is taking us into more risk and in particular those poor people starting on the housing ladder. Love Bolton

9:03pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Kaewyed says...

Ihatemyfellowneighbo
urs wrote:
liquoricet wrote: Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already!
Join the club I work In the private sector and have taken a 30% cut. No golden pension pot for us.
So what are you saying ?, let the Public Workers be taken down to your level. You probably haven't had a rise and a pay cut because of Greedy Private Bosses. You may also be on minimum pay for the same reason.

Cameron turned the Private workers against the Public Sector and it worked. it has caused Discontent in the Private Sector workers. These Pensions and Rights for Public workers have been fought for.and Agreed.

It's a case by Private workers, look what they get,I don't, so I will criticise All Public Workers.

Look, It's not their fault, It's the fault of your Mean and Uncaring Boss. If the Public Sector work is so well paid, Its' not, and the Pensions so good, Apply for a job. I don't rate your cahnces because Cameron has done away with thousands of jobs. 500 going at the Royal Bolton, as you know, just 1 Public Establishment.
[quote][p][bold]Ihatemyfellowneighbo urs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liquoricet[/bold] wrote: Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already![/p][/quote]Join the club I work In the private sector and have taken a 30% cut. No golden pension pot for us.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying ?, let the Public Workers be taken down to your level. You probably haven't had a rise and a pay cut because of Greedy Private Bosses. You may also be on minimum pay for the same reason. Cameron turned the Private workers against the Public Sector and it worked. it has caused Discontent in the Private Sector workers. These Pensions and Rights for Public workers have been fought for.and Agreed. It's a case by Private workers, look what they get,I don't, so I will criticise All Public Workers. Look, It's not their fault, It's the fault of your Mean and Uncaring Boss. If the Public Sector work is so well paid, Its' not, and the Pensions so good, Apply for a job. I don't rate your cahnces because Cameron has done away with thousands of jobs. 500 going at the Royal Bolton, as you know, just 1 Public Establishment. Kaewyed

9:14pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Citizen Cane says...

Who pays the wages of the public sector? Vulnerable taxpayers that's who.

It's about time that swathes of the work-shy in the public sector were culled.
Who pays the wages of the public sector? Vulnerable taxpayers that's who. It's about time that swathes of the work-shy in the public sector were culled. Citizen Cane

1:38am Fri 22 Mar 13

Reality50 says...

The unions and most public sector workers are no better than the greedy bosses. There are plenty of fat cat trade union leaders around. The Labour government have no answers to getting out of austerity in to create growth. Until Labour and socialism generally adopt an anti immigration stance and an anti EU stance then they will get nowhere. Labour flooded this country with immigrants and asylum seekers between 1997-2010 and we are paying the price with unemployment out of control -true figure 4-5 million,a housing crisis not helped by the immigrant invasion and an overstretched NHS and educational sector. We pay the EU £53 million every day and for what?
The unions and most public sector workers are no better than the greedy bosses. There are plenty of fat cat trade union leaders around. The Labour government have no answers to getting out of austerity in to create growth. Until Labour and socialism generally adopt an anti immigration stance and an anti EU stance then they will get nowhere. Labour flooded this country with immigrants and asylum seekers between 1997-2010 and we are paying the price with unemployment out of control -true figure 4-5 million,a housing crisis not helped by the immigrant invasion and an overstretched NHS and educational sector. We pay the EU £53 million every day and for what? Reality50

5:00am Fri 22 Mar 13

127001 says...

It really doesn't matter who you vote for, they are all the same. The solution would be to start again and have people in power who are honest and morale... but that's never going to happen in our life time.

The UK has 650 members of parliament... yet in America (a country 40 times the size of the UK)... the equivalent 'parliament' has only 435...

Why does a town the size of Bolton need 60 councillors? There is so much waste in this country it's difficult to know where to start.
It really doesn't matter who you vote for, they are all the same. The solution would be to start again and have people in power who are honest and morale... but that's never going to happen in our life time. The UK has 650 members of parliament... yet in America (a country 40 times the size of the UK)... the equivalent 'parliament' has only 435... Why does a town the size of Bolton need 60 councillors? There is so much waste in this country it's difficult to know where to start. 127001

12:48pm Fri 22 Mar 13

myfanwy7 says...

Kaewyed wrote:
Ihatemyfellowneighbo

urs wrote:
liquoricet wrote: Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already!
Join the club I work In the private sector and have taken a 30% cut. No golden pension pot for us.
So what are you saying ?, let the Public Workers be taken down to your level. You probably haven't had a rise and a pay cut because of Greedy Private Bosses. You may also be on minimum pay for the same reason.

Cameron turned the Private workers against the Public Sector and it worked. it has caused Discontent in the Private Sector workers. These Pensions and Rights for Public workers have been fought for.and Agreed.

It's a case by Private workers, look what they get,I don't, so I will criticise All Public Workers.

Look, It's not their fault, It's the fault of your Mean and Uncaring Boss. If the Public Sector work is so well paid, Its' not, and the Pensions so good, Apply for a job. I don't rate your cahnces because Cameron has done away with thousands of jobs. 500 going at the Royal Bolton, as you know, just 1 Public Establishment.
Hear hear! Someone with enough sense to realise that the race to the bottom is being aided and abetted by the government's political rhetoric and private sector workers are swallowing it hook, line and sinker. I think it's known as divide and rule.
[quote][p][bold]Kaewyed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ihatemyfellowneighbo urs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liquoricet[/bold] wrote: Well no, but we've had no pay rise for two years already![/p][/quote]Join the club I work In the private sector and have taken a 30% cut. No golden pension pot for us.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying ?, let the Public Workers be taken down to your level. You probably haven't had a rise and a pay cut because of Greedy Private Bosses. You may also be on minimum pay for the same reason. Cameron turned the Private workers against the Public Sector and it worked. it has caused Discontent in the Private Sector workers. These Pensions and Rights for Public workers have been fought for.and Agreed. It's a case by Private workers, look what they get,I don't, so I will criticise All Public Workers. Look, It's not their fault, It's the fault of your Mean and Uncaring Boss. If the Public Sector work is so well paid, Its' not, and the Pensions so good, Apply for a job. I don't rate your cahnces because Cameron has done away with thousands of jobs. 500 going at the Royal Bolton, as you know, just 1 Public Establishment.[/p][/quote]Hear hear! Someone with enough sense to realise that the race to the bottom is being aided and abetted by the government's political rhetoric and private sector workers are swallowing it hook, line and sinker. I think it's known as divide and rule. myfanwy7

4:17pm Fri 22 Mar 13

liquoricet says...

Talk about making assumptions. Actually I worked in the private sector for 15 years til I was made redundant (having had a pay freeze for two years)

My current salary is about £8.5k (I'm part-time) and my 'gold plated pension' if I work at my library for another 20 years will be about £3.5k. Good thing I like my job!
Talk about making assumptions. Actually I worked in the private sector for 15 years til I was made redundant (having had a pay freeze for two years) My current salary is about £8.5k (I'm part-time) and my 'gold plated pension' if I work at my library for another 20 years will be about £3.5k. Good thing I like my job! liquoricet

12:58pm Sat 23 Mar 13

SmoggyDiasboro says...

I agree that the pension £70 per week doesn't look very appetitising. I don't know circumstances so it is difficult to comment BUT it is still gold plated!, Looking at the latest FT annuity rates, if you wanted a joint life (50% to surviving spouse) 3% guaranteed increase of £3,500 you would need a pension pot of £100,000, which over 20 years would require proabably considerably more of a contribution than you are making (I would guess you would need to be looking at a minimum of 30% of your £8,500 salary). It's not a lot I know, but that's what the rest of the economy have to deal with. For as long as Councils and Government Departments are happy paying 20% of your salary in superannuation contributions, then OK. Unfortunately to the private sector employee, it is something they can only dream of
I agree that the pension £70 per week doesn't look very appetitising. I don't know circumstances so it is difficult to comment BUT it is still gold plated!, Looking at the latest FT annuity rates, if you wanted a joint life (50% to surviving spouse) 3% guaranteed increase of £3,500 you would need a pension pot of £100,000, which over 20 years would require proabably considerably more of a contribution than you are making (I would guess you would need to be looking at a minimum of 30% of your £8,500 salary). It's not a lot I know, but that's what the rest of the economy have to deal with. For as long as Councils and Government Departments are happy paying 20% of your salary in superannuation contributions, then OK. Unfortunately to the private sector employee, it is something they can only dream of SmoggyDiasboro

1:25pm Sat 23 Mar 13

Kaewyed says...

The way the Public Empolyees and State Pension is expressed by This Government is that it is a Gift. Ian Duncan Smith like Cameron has a vendetta to any Public Employee. They would rather see everything in the Private Sector. The reason being they are mrore comfortable with their Friends who's Employees have virtually No Rights because they don't want them to have Any.

My wife worked for the NHS for 31 yrs and paid a substantial amount Into her scheme. I can assure you her Pension is no way Gold Plated.

I agree the people at the top do get a very good pension but again the amount you pay each month is Salary Related.
The way the Public Empolyees and State Pension is expressed by This Government is that it is a Gift. Ian Duncan Smith like Cameron has a vendetta to any Public Employee. They would rather see everything in the Private Sector. The reason being they are mrore comfortable with their Friends who's Employees have virtually No Rights because they don't want them to have Any. My wife worked for the NHS for 31 yrs and paid a substantial amount Into her scheme. I can assure you her Pension is no way Gold Plated. I agree the people at the top do get a very good pension but again the amount you pay each month is Salary Related. Kaewyed

8:10am Wed 27 Mar 13

Wigan Trotter says...

Why do people assume that everybody who works in the public sector are on a gravy train when many in fact are on the minimum wage or only just above it like many in the private sector.

They are not all high payed Civil Servants
Why do people assume that everybody who works in the public sector are on a gravy train when many in fact are on the minimum wage or only just above it like many in the private sector. They are not all high payed Civil Servants Wigan Trotter

7:30pm Wed 27 Mar 13

BWFC71 says...

Kaewyed wrote:
The way the Public Empolyees and State Pension is expressed by This Government is that it is a Gift. Ian Duncan Smith like Cameron has a vendetta to any Public Employee. They would rather see everything in the Private Sector. The reason being they are mrore comfortable with their Friends who's Employees have virtually No Rights because they don't want them to have Any.

My wife worked for the NHS for 31 yrs and paid a substantial amount Into her scheme. I can assure you her Pension is no way Gold Plated.

I agree the people at the top do get a very good pension but again the amount you pay each month is Salary Related.
Agreed.....


POLITICIANS ARE PUBLIC SERVICE WORKERS and yet they have given themselves a payrise, a bigger pension, subsidised bars at Palace of Westminster, allowances for renting accomodation and staff etc etc and yet they cripple the other public service workers and create a divide between normal everyday workers....

Provate sector should not be begrudging the public sector as both need each other as both will not survives being devisive as what the Government are trying, but EVERYONE should be mad, questioning, harassing teh politicians the MOST greediest public sector workers this country has!!!
[quote][p][bold]Kaewyed[/bold] wrote: The way the Public Empolyees and State Pension is expressed by This Government is that it is a Gift. Ian Duncan Smith like Cameron has a vendetta to any Public Employee. They would rather see everything in the Private Sector. The reason being they are mrore comfortable with their Friends who's Employees have virtually No Rights because they don't want them to have Any. My wife worked for the NHS for 31 yrs and paid a substantial amount Into her scheme. I can assure you her Pension is no way Gold Plated. I agree the people at the top do get a very good pension but again the amount you pay each month is Salary Related.[/p][/quote]Agreed..... POLITICIANS ARE PUBLIC SERVICE WORKERS and yet they have given themselves a payrise, a bigger pension, subsidised bars at Palace of Westminster, allowances for renting accomodation and staff etc etc and yet they cripple the other public service workers and create a divide between normal everyday workers.... Provate sector should not be begrudging the public sector as both need each other as both will not survives being devisive as what the Government are trying, but EVERYONE should be mad, questioning, harassing teh politicians the MOST greediest public sector workers this country has!!! BWFC71

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