Commuters' anger over rail electrification delays

A train arrives at Lostock Station — but services will soon be  hit by electrification work

A train arrives at Lostock Station — but services will soon be hit by electrification work

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COMMUTERS have reacted with anger to news that they face two years of major disruption on the Preston to Manchester line — warning it means more overcrowding and longer journey times.

Network Rail announced their plans to electrify the 175-year-old line as part of a £400 million scheme to improve journey times.

The work — due to start at Chorley on Sunday, December 8 — will mean changes to services at Bolton, Horwich Parkway and Lostock.

Andrea Tidsey commutes from Lostock station to Manchester every day and said the work will be disastrous for railway passengers. The 39-year-old from Farnworth said: “It’s going to be awful.

“We have no idea how we are going to get to work.

“If I thought it was going to improve things I might support it, but it won’t. It’s not worth the disruption.”

Chantelle Peers, aged 38, said she has met several people on the platform who have been disciplined at work for being late due to train delays.

She said: “I’ve only just started working in Manchester and trying to combine dropping my daughter off for school and getting to work on time is already tough.

“These plans will make things worse.

“When you are boarding the train at Bolton it’s sometimes too busy to even get on the train.”

The work will see Scottish services travelling through Bolton gradually shifting to go through Wigan.

Station Road in Blackrod is set to be closed for four months next year while electrification work takes place.

In late 2014/15, the tunnel at Farnworth will see major work for almost six months — meaning there will only be one railway line for trains in both directions.

Cllr David Chadwick, Bolton Council’s cabinet member for transport, said while currently up to 40 trains pass through that tunnel during peak hours, just six will be able to go through at 20mph while the work is carried out.

Buses will be used to replace the cancelled trains.

He said: “Bolton has wanted to have a first class train service and with the work we will hopefully now get it.

“It’s short-term pain for long-term gain.

“Whereas before they would have been four carriages, that will increase to eight depending on the time of day, and the trains are going to be quicker and more environmentally friendly.”

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8:13am Sat 9 Nov 13

Bob Shaftoe says...

Unless Bolton to Southport via Wigan line electrified also it wont be worth the trouble.The only new electric trains will be the Trans Pennine hourly service to Blackpool via Preston and with no direct Scotland service. We will still be stuck with Northern Rail's 20-30 year old junk rolling stock. Not much improvement to look forward to amid all the disruption caused. Who dreams this stuff up.
Unless Bolton to Southport via Wigan line electrified also it wont be worth the trouble.The only new electric trains will be the Trans Pennine hourly service to Blackpool via Preston and with no direct Scotland service. We will still be stuck with Northern Rail's 20-30 year old junk rolling stock. Not much improvement to look forward to amid all the disruption caused. Who dreams this stuff up. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 12

8:42am Sat 9 Nov 13

Knavesmire says...

What a tawdry newspaper hunting for fools and publishing such ridiculous headlines.

Hands up all those in Bolton who don't want £400m invested in their transport system?

Answer, none. Oh sorry two. Oneshoddy journalist and the poor woman on the platform that this clown clearly hunted for.

Can you put this journalist onto the lonely hearts pages and find a proper transport journo?
What a tawdry newspaper hunting for fools and publishing such ridiculous headlines. Hands up all those in Bolton who don't want £400m invested in their transport system? Answer, none. Oh sorry two. Oneshoddy journalist and the poor woman on the platform that this clown clearly hunted for. Can you put this journalist onto the lonely hearts pages and find a proper transport journo? Knavesmire
  • Score: -7

8:56am Sat 9 Nov 13

Hulton Park says...

Think what just a fraction of the billions wasted on HS2 could achieve if diverted away from that socially and geographically limited vanity project.

But for that to happen, we would need a properly regional transport policy - not one in which the sole role of "Greater Manchester" and therest of Lancashire is to boost the advantages of the real economic Manchester and its already well-heeled Cheshire fringe.
Think what just a fraction of the billions wasted on HS2 could achieve if diverted away from that socially and geographically limited vanity project. But for that to happen, we would need a properly regional transport policy - not one in which the sole role of "Greater Manchester" and therest of Lancashire is to boost the advantages of the real economic Manchester and its already well-heeled Cheshire fringe. Hulton Park
  • Score: 5

10:43am Sat 9 Nov 13

BWFC71 says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Unless Bolton to Southport via Wigan line electrified also it wont be worth the trouble.The only new electric trains will be the Trans Pennine hourly service to Blackpool via Preston and with no direct Scotland service. We will still be stuck with Northern Rail's 20-30 year old junk rolling stock. Not much improvement to look forward to amid all the disruption caused. Who dreams this stuff up.
You have forgot about the Northern Rail Blackpool to Stalybridge and Preston to Hazel Grove services which will also be electrified - so the grand total of electric trains will be 3 out of 7 an hour!!!!


Also where does Councillor Chadwick get his information from - Wikipedia??? 40 trains an hour through Farnworth tunnel???? lets get this right currently it is 8 passenger trains an hour in both directions (soon to be 7 from December) so does that mean there are 24 wagon trains an hour going through Bolton????

Also what about the length of the trains!!!! Blackburn should be 2 or 3 coaches - more often its either 1 or 2, Wigan services is only 2, Southport should be 3 but is often 2, Blackpool/Preston (Northern) should be 4 but 90% of time its only 3 (but less than 2 years ago it was a 5 coach train!!!) - whereas First TPE is a 3 coach train!!! Chadwick must live in a different Bolton to the true real Bolton!

"New" trains we are getting... 5 electric units for First TPE (not bought but being leased from Angel leasing company) Northern getting 15 year old cast-offs that were first used in London and currently in Birmingham, but Northern (or whoever the franchise is by then) won't receive the units until London have got their new trains and that is currently 2 years behind schedule!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Unless Bolton to Southport via Wigan line electrified also it wont be worth the trouble.The only new electric trains will be the Trans Pennine hourly service to Blackpool via Preston and with no direct Scotland service. We will still be stuck with Northern Rail's 20-30 year old junk rolling stock. Not much improvement to look forward to amid all the disruption caused. Who dreams this stuff up.[/p][/quote]You have forgot about the Northern Rail Blackpool to Stalybridge and Preston to Hazel Grove services which will also be electrified - so the grand total of electric trains will be 3 out of 7 an hour!!!! Also where does Councillor Chadwick get his information from - Wikipedia??? 40 trains an hour through Farnworth tunnel???? lets get this right currently it is 8 passenger trains an hour in both directions (soon to be 7 from December) so does that mean there are 24 wagon trains an hour going through Bolton???? Also what about the length of the trains!!!! Blackburn should be 2 or 3 coaches - more often its either 1 or 2, Wigan services is only 2, Southport should be 3 but is often 2, Blackpool/Preston (Northern) should be 4 but 90% of time its only 3 (but less than 2 years ago it was a 5 coach train!!!) - whereas First TPE is a 3 coach train!!! Chadwick must live in a different Bolton to the true real Bolton! "New" trains we are getting... 5 electric units for First TPE (not bought but being leased from Angel leasing company) Northern getting 15 year old cast-offs that were first used in London and currently in Birmingham, but Northern (or whoever the franchise is by then) won't receive the units until London have got their new trains and that is currently 2 years behind schedule!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 10

12:43pm Sat 9 Nov 13

Bob Shaftoe says...

BWFC71, you're seem the man in the know on this one, so why doesn't the Manchester to Preston electrification include Victoria to Salford Crescent.
Seems pretty pointless, to me. (no pun intended!)
BWFC71, you're seem the man in the know on this one, so why doesn't the Manchester to Preston electrification include Victoria to Salford Crescent. Seems pretty pointless, to me. (no pun intended!) Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Sat 9 Nov 13

thealexweb says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
BWFC71, you're seem the man in the know on this one, so why doesn't the Manchester to Preston electrification include Victoria to Salford Crescent.
Seems pretty pointless, to me. (no pun intended!)
Work on that has already begun and the line that does not pass through Salford Central will be complete by December 2014. The other than most Bolton services use which does pass through Salford Central will be complete by December 2016 at the latest.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: BWFC71, you're seem the man in the know on this one, so why doesn't the Manchester to Preston electrification include Victoria to Salford Crescent. Seems pretty pointless, to me. (no pun intended!)[/p][/quote]Work on that has already begun and the line that does not pass through Salford Central will be complete by December 2014. The other than most Bolton services use which does pass through Salford Central will be complete by December 2016 at the latest. thealexweb
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Sat 9 Nov 13

BWFC71 says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
BWFC71, you're seem the man in the know on this one, so why doesn't the Manchester to Preston electrification include Victoria to Salford Crescent.
Seems pretty pointless, to me. (no pun intended!)
The Crescent to Victoria and further afield to Stalybridge WILL be electrified - in fact the line will be closed between Christmas and New Year whilst they start the electrification on that stretch of line - also do not forget that they are also building a new curve from Salford Central line to Deansgate line.

The signs are already up advising of the disruption of that short stretch advising that most trains will be terminating at Salford Central and possibly The Crescent or even replaced by buses.

I know I will be affected, big time, as Salford Central is the station I use!
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: BWFC71, you're seem the man in the know on this one, so why doesn't the Manchester to Preston electrification include Victoria to Salford Crescent. Seems pretty pointless, to me. (no pun intended!)[/p][/quote]The Crescent to Victoria and further afield to Stalybridge WILL be electrified - in fact the line will be closed between Christmas and New Year whilst they start the electrification on that stretch of line - also do not forget that they are also building a new curve from Salford Central line to Deansgate line. The signs are already up advising of the disruption of that short stretch advising that most trains will be terminating at Salford Central and possibly The Crescent or even replaced by buses. I know I will be affected, big time, as Salford Central is the station I use! BWFC71
  • Score: 1

3:14pm Sat 9 Nov 13

Wibble Wobble says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Unless Bolton to Southport via Wigan line electrified also it wont be worth the trouble.The only new electric trains will be the Trans Pennine hourly service to Blackpool via Preston and with no direct Scotland service. We will still be stuck with Northern Rail's 20-30 year old junk rolling stock. Not much improvement to look forward to amid all the disruption caused. Who dreams this stuff up.
You'd need to electrify the Atherton line as well, which will also mean the Kirkby - Wigan line would need to be done. Ideally, this would be better as it opens up more diversion routes in case the Bolton/Chorley route is blocked, and would put less strain on the Chat Moss and West Coast routes, particularly given the Class 319s or whatever the local services will receive will have a lower top speed than Virgin's fleet.

Blame the Department for Transport for the bias towards getting cast offs. London gets the best stuff, Birmingham next as a lot of the trains head down to London, whilst we all get the junk. Yorkshire only got newer trains because the local transport authorities subsidised the cost (wouldn't happen now, though)!
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Unless Bolton to Southport via Wigan line electrified also it wont be worth the trouble.The only new electric trains will be the Trans Pennine hourly service to Blackpool via Preston and with no direct Scotland service. We will still be stuck with Northern Rail's 20-30 year old junk rolling stock. Not much improvement to look forward to amid all the disruption caused. Who dreams this stuff up.[/p][/quote]You'd need to electrify the Atherton line as well, which will also mean the Kirkby - Wigan line would need to be done. Ideally, this would be better as it opens up more diversion routes in case the Bolton/Chorley route is blocked, and would put less strain on the Chat Moss and West Coast routes, particularly given the Class 319s or whatever the local services will receive will have a lower top speed than Virgin's fleet. Blame the Department for Transport for the bias towards getting cast offs. London gets the best stuff, Birmingham next as a lot of the trains head down to London, whilst we all get the junk. Yorkshire only got newer trains because the local transport authorities subsidised the cost (wouldn't happen now, though)! Wibble Wobble
  • Score: 1

3:38pm Sat 9 Nov 13

Bolton Lad 85 says...

For all commuters the time around 18 mins to Manchester is not a concern. The fact of how busy and expensive the train are is. We need cartridges not electric lines.
For all commuters the time around 18 mins to Manchester is not a concern. The fact of how busy and expensive the train are is. We need cartridges not electric lines. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: 1

4:01pm Sat 9 Nov 13

BWFC71 says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
For all commuters the time around 18 mins to Manchester is not a concern. The fact of how busy and expensive the train are is. We need cartridges not electric lines.
We need both!!!!

Carriages for the space as the crush every morning is pathetic - but tht is down to Strategic Rail Authority and DfT to sort out as its them that actually give the green lights to the Train Operating Companies to lease the units from the various train leasing companies.

But the electric trains will give more space (especially as we will, hopefully, get rid of the Class 142's which are 1/3 smaller than the normal diesel coaches) and well as the speed - but saying that the trains we are getting are actually the same speed as the diesel units so real improvement, to be fair, just a quicker acceleration than at present!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: For all commuters the time around 18 mins to Manchester is not a concern. The fact of how busy and expensive the train are is. We need cartridges not electric lines.[/p][/quote]We need both!!!! Carriages for the space as the crush every morning is pathetic - but tht is down to Strategic Rail Authority and DfT to sort out as its them that actually give the green lights to the Train Operating Companies to lease the units from the various train leasing companies. But the electric trains will give more space (especially as we will, hopefully, get rid of the Class 142's which are 1/3 smaller than the normal diesel coaches) and well as the speed - but saying that the trains we are getting are actually the same speed as the diesel units so real improvement, to be fair, just a quicker acceleration than at present!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 2

3:01pm Sun 10 Nov 13

BWFC71 says...

DOES THE TFGM ACTUALLY KNOW WWHERE BOLTON IS SITUATED???

BOLTON MISSED OUT AGAIN AND ONE OF THE BELOW IA ALREADY BEING ENHANCED BY ELECTIFYING TEH RAILWAY LINE, CREATING A UIDED BUSWAY FOR MOST OF TEH ROUTE AND NOW THIS - ALL OTHER TOWNS AND CTIES IN THE COUNTRY HAVE HAD MONEY INVESTED TO CREATE AND BACK-UP DECENT PUBIC TRANSPORT NETWORK - WHAT DOES BOLTON GET? A £48MILLION BUS STATION ONLY WHILST TRAIN AND BUS SERVICES ARE DEPLEATING BY THE MONTH!!!

(Taken from the TfGM website)
Councillors have backed plans to develop a tram-train strategy in Greater Manchester.

A report outlining proposals for a network of specially-designed vehicles, running on both street tracks and sharing tracks with other trains on railway lines, was approved by members of the Transport for Greater Manchester Committee’s Capital Projects and Policy Sub-Committee today.

An initial study into the feasibility, cost and benefits of several potential routes identified Manchester to Marple via Bredbury as the most economically viable route to develop as the region’s first tram-train line.

The other routes that are under consideration as part of a potential tram-train network are:


•Manchester – Glossop
•Manchester – Atherton – Wigan
•Manchester – Sale – Altrincham – Hale/Knutsford
•Manchester – East Didsbury – Hazel Grove
•Stockport - Altrincham

A tram-train system would make greater use of Greater Manchester’s local rail network, facilitating more frequent services.

It would also provide better and more frequent access to the city centre and better connections with other public transport services there.

It is also expected that the ongoing cost of most routes would be more than met by fare revenue, making those services financially self-sustaining.

Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) will now look at how the proposals can be taken forward for further development, as part of a long-term transport strategy.

The TfGM Committee Chair, Councillor Andrew Fender, said: “I am delighted that clear progress has been made with the identification of the potential for tram-train in Greater Manchester.

“Track-sharing between heavy and light rail trains with street-running capability is already well established in continental Europe, especially in Germany.

“Not only are there numerous benefits to commuters, such as increased capacity and frequency and better inner-city connectivity, but tram-trains also have the potential to be financially self-sustaining.

“At this point however, tram-train very much remains a long-term project for Greater Manchester, making it difficult to identify potential implementation dates or funding.”

What is the betting that the BN doesn't mention this or report the fact that Bolton is being missed out YET AGAIN on improving the public transport transport within the town.
DOES THE TFGM ACTUALLY KNOW WWHERE BOLTON IS SITUATED??? BOLTON MISSED OUT AGAIN AND ONE OF THE BELOW IA ALREADY BEING ENHANCED BY ELECTIFYING TEH RAILWAY LINE, CREATING A UIDED BUSWAY FOR MOST OF TEH ROUTE AND NOW THIS - ALL OTHER TOWNS AND CTIES IN THE COUNTRY HAVE HAD MONEY INVESTED TO CREATE AND BACK-UP DECENT PUBIC TRANSPORT NETWORK - WHAT DOES BOLTON GET? A £48MILLION BUS STATION ONLY WHILST TRAIN AND BUS SERVICES ARE DEPLEATING BY THE MONTH!!! (Taken from the TfGM website) Councillors have backed plans to develop a tram-train strategy in Greater Manchester. A report outlining proposals for a network of specially-designed vehicles, running on both street tracks and sharing tracks with other trains on railway lines, was approved by members of the Transport for Greater Manchester Committee’s Capital Projects and Policy Sub-Committee today. An initial study into the feasibility, cost and benefits of several potential routes identified Manchester to Marple via Bredbury as the most economically viable route to develop as the region’s first tram-train line. The other routes that are under consideration as part of a potential tram-train network are: •Manchester – Glossop •Manchester – Atherton – Wigan •Manchester – Sale – Altrincham – Hale/Knutsford •Manchester – East Didsbury – Hazel Grove •Stockport - Altrincham A tram-train system would make greater use of Greater Manchester’s local rail network, facilitating more frequent services. It would also provide better and more frequent access to the city centre and better connections with other public transport services there. It is also expected that the ongoing cost of most routes would be more than met by fare revenue, making those services financially self-sustaining. Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) will now look at how the proposals can be taken forward for further development, as part of a long-term transport strategy. The TfGM Committee Chair, Councillor Andrew Fender, said: “I am delighted that clear progress has been made with the identification of the potential for tram-train in Greater Manchester. “Track-sharing between heavy and light rail trains with street-running capability is already well established in continental Europe, especially in Germany. “Not only are there numerous benefits to commuters, such as increased capacity and frequency and better inner-city connectivity, but tram-trains also have the potential to be financially self-sustaining. “At this point however, tram-train very much remains a long-term project for Greater Manchester, making it difficult to identify potential implementation dates or funding.” What is the betting that the BN doesn't mention this or report the fact that Bolton is being missed out YET AGAIN on improving the public transport transport within the town. BWFC71
  • Score: 1

3:28pm Sun 10 Nov 13

BWFC71 says...

As BN will possibly not do anything about this sudden extra bit of transport new - I have taken the initiative and written to TfGM about it and what this means for Bolton!

This is what have sent, and I will be expecting a reply for I will chase them for one and make sure I do get a reply!

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So I see that a new Tram/Train initiative has been backed but where is Bolton on these plans?



Once implemented, whenever it will be, will mean that Bolton will be the only Borough within the county without any true public transport initiative to improve the network or help with the peak time chaos. Plus Bolton will also become the only town/city not served by a “tram” - in fact there are going to be parts of Cheshire having the “tram” before Bolton and Cheshire, last time I looked, wasn’t part of Greater Manchester!!!



As it is train services will have decreased from 10/11 an hour to 7 an hour, from December, with smaller carriages (class 142’s which are a 1/3 smaller that the lass 150’s and actually hold far less people) whilst those on the East coast have newer trains and carriages because of their local Transport departments have invested. As it is Bolton will have see over the last 7 years the number of buses and bus routes between Manchester decreased by over 40% (from 30 buses and hour to 18). Also the two major trunk road between Bolton and Manchester have decreased in number of lanes - the East Lancs Road temporarily decreased from 3 lanes to 1 but will be re-instated to 2 lanes so that a guided busway can be incorporated to Leigh then at same time The Crescent in Salford has been decreased - thus forcing traffic and traffic problems onto other main roads and estate roads and creating even worse congestion!



Then look at Bolton itself - how many routes do not operate on a Sunday evening, compared to other towns and cities in Greater Manchester, also with Edgworth why didn’t you share costs with Blackburn with Darwen to provide either a true Local Link service, or even better a proper bus service - Edgworth and Crowthorn are part of North Turton which is geared towards Bolton more than either Blackburn or Darwen and thus now cut people off from the town of their choice - as it is those with a car will use their car and create even more traffic problems for Bolton and its people and create even longer journey times for the buses as there will be more cars on the road!!! Then there is the idiotic routing of the 517 and 518 thus effectively taking people away from Bolton and making them go to Leigh from the estates in Horwich - if you did not know Horwich is in Bolton and as such these estates should be served by Bolton and not Leigh - does that happen elsewhere in Greater Manchester - NO IT DOESN’T!!!





I commended you when Maytree collapsed, but apart from extending the Local Link to cover areas with no actual bus service and the building of a new bus station which supposedly will cater for more buses, although the number of routes and actual buses is decreasing, especially with your help! What does the TfGM do with Bolton to help public transport network and/or the travelling public in general!!! Car usage has increased, peak time traffic is worse than ever and the dwindling amount of buses and trains is compounding the situation.



Now if one of your responses is going to be about the Northern Hub and electrification of the Bolton line - then don’t bother as its all meaningless. The only services through Bolton that will be electric are the Blackpool ones - Bolton has lost the Scottish routes for good (according to a letter I received from DfT) - and that means at most 3 trains an hour out of 7 thus meaning there are still 4 slow diesel routes. Also the trains that are earmarked for Northern Rail are at least 20 years old and not faster than their diesel counterparts and with the speed restrictions between Salford Crescent and Bolton there is going to be NO improvement on timings, plus it is also factually correct that these trains are being shortened from 4 coaches to 3 coaches!!!



But getting back on track (pardon the pun) why is the Wigan area now earmarked for a guided busway to Leigh, electification of TWO lines to Wigan and now earmarked for the tram-train initiative and yet Bolton is earmarked for what??? NOTHING as per usual!
As BN will possibly not do anything about this sudden extra bit of transport new - I have taken the initiative and written to TfGM about it and what this means for Bolton! This is what have sent, and I will be expecting a reply for I will chase them for one and make sure I do get a reply! =------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- ------------= So I see that a new Tram/Train initiative has been backed but where is Bolton on these plans? Once implemented, whenever it will be, will mean that Bolton will be the only Borough within the county without any true public transport initiative to improve the network or help with the peak time chaos. Plus Bolton will also become the only town/city not served by a “tram” - in fact there are going to be parts of Cheshire having the “tram” before Bolton and Cheshire, last time I looked, wasn’t part of Greater Manchester!!! As it is train services will have decreased from 10/11 an hour to 7 an hour, from December, with smaller carriages (class 142’s which are a 1/3 smaller that the lass 150’s and actually hold far less people) whilst those on the East coast have newer trains and carriages because of their local Transport departments have invested. As it is Bolton will have see over the last 7 years the number of buses and bus routes between Manchester decreased by over 40% (from 30 buses and hour to 18). Also the two major trunk road between Bolton and Manchester have decreased in number of lanes - the East Lancs Road temporarily decreased from 3 lanes to 1 but will be re-instated to 2 lanes so that a guided busway can be incorporated to Leigh then at same time The Crescent in Salford has been decreased - thus forcing traffic and traffic problems onto other main roads and estate roads and creating even worse congestion! Then look at Bolton itself - how many routes do not operate on a Sunday evening, compared to other towns and cities in Greater Manchester, also with Edgworth why didn’t you share costs with Blackburn with Darwen to provide either a true Local Link service, or even better a proper bus service - Edgworth and Crowthorn are part of North Turton which is geared towards Bolton more than either Blackburn or Darwen and thus now cut people off from the town of their choice - as it is those with a car will use their car and create even more traffic problems for Bolton and its people and create even longer journey times for the buses as there will be more cars on the road!!! Then there is the idiotic routing of the 517 and 518 thus effectively taking people away from Bolton and making them go to Leigh from the estates in Horwich - if you did not know Horwich is in Bolton and as such these estates should be served by Bolton and not Leigh - does that happen elsewhere in Greater Manchester - NO IT DOESN’T!!! I commended you when Maytree collapsed, but apart from extending the Local Link to cover areas with no actual bus service and the building of a new bus station which supposedly will cater for more buses, although the number of routes and actual buses is decreasing, especially with your help! What does the TfGM do with Bolton to help public transport network and/or the travelling public in general!!! Car usage has increased, peak time traffic is worse than ever and the dwindling amount of buses and trains is compounding the situation. Now if one of your responses is going to be about the Northern Hub and electrification of the Bolton line - then don’t bother as its all meaningless. The only services through Bolton that will be electric are the Blackpool ones - Bolton has lost the Scottish routes for good (according to a letter I received from DfT) - and that means at most 3 trains an hour out of 7 thus meaning there are still 4 slow diesel routes. Also the trains that are earmarked for Northern Rail are at least 20 years old and not faster than their diesel counterparts and with the speed restrictions between Salford Crescent and Bolton there is going to be NO improvement on timings, plus it is also factually correct that these trains are being shortened from 4 coaches to 3 coaches!!! But getting back on track (pardon the pun) why is the Wigan area now earmarked for a guided busway to Leigh, electification of TWO lines to Wigan and now earmarked for the tram-train initiative and yet Bolton is earmarked for what??? NOTHING as per usual! BWFC71
  • Score: 4

11:43am Tue 12 Nov 13

MarkAllRead says...

This train route has been getting worse for years. The Northern Rail morning trains are almost always late because they are breaking down or staff shortages. They are often missing carriages because of breakdowns elsewhere meaning that people can't even get on - making them late for work at least two or three times a week. Most of the problems are obviously because NR are not spending enough money maintaining their trains or employing enough staff.
This train route has been getting worse for years. The Northern Rail morning trains are almost always late because they are breaking down or staff shortages. They are often missing carriages because of breakdowns elsewhere meaning that people can't even get on - making them late for work at least two or three times a week. Most of the problems are obviously because NR are not spending enough money maintaining their trains or employing enough staff. MarkAllRead
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