Immigrants don't come here just to claim benefits, says MP

The Bolton News: Bolton West MP Julie Hilling Bolton West MP Julie Hilling

THE Prime Minister has been branded as “ridiculous” by a Bolton MP for suggesting that people arrive in the United Kingdom from Europe simply to claim benefits.

Julie Hilling, MP for Bolton West, was speaking after David Cameron announced tougher welfare measures for EU migrants coming into the country.

The measures include the deportation of migrants caught begging or sleeping rough, plans to not offer people out of work benefits for their first three months in the UK, and the cancellation of payments after six months if the claimants do not have a genuine chance of a job.

Measures were also announced to quadruple fines for employers not paying the minimum wage.

Mr Cameron has said the plans will send a clear message to people that the UK is not a “soft touch” when it comes to benefits.

From January 1, controls will be lifted meaning that Bulgarians and Romanians will have the freedom to move to the UK and work here. And while Ms Hilling said she supports a toughening-up of benefit rules, she said: “I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves.

“It is ridiculous for any Prime Minister to suggest people are coming just to claim and to make other people think that.”

Bolton South East MP Yasmin Qureshi added: “I think the idea that people cannot have access to benefits in this country if they are not contributing to the economy is perfectly reasonable and, in fact, is common sense.

“But I am concerned about the manner and tone of the debate as it could marginalise those people — this is the 21st century and people are travelling from country to country to live and there is nothing wrong with that, people should not be frightened of that.”

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9:59am Wed 4 Dec 13

dirtyowdtown says...

If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?
If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them? dirtyowdtown

10:22am Wed 4 Dec 13

steverock6@sky.com says...

In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue!
In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue! steverock6@sky.com

10:25am Wed 4 Dec 13

William2701 says...

“I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves.

Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this:

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2517391/Bulgarian-bu
rglar-string-offence
s-homeland-jailed-br
eaking-house-just-NI
NE-days-arriving-UK.
html
“I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves. Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2517391/Bulgarian-bu rglar-string-offence s-homeland-jailed-br eaking-house-just-NI NE-days-arriving-UK. html William2701

10:29am Wed 4 Dec 13

Bilulek says...

William2701 wrote:
“I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves.

Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this:

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2517391/Bulgarian-bu

rglar-string-offence

s-homeland-jailed-br

eaking-house-just-NI

NE-days-arriving-UK.

html
Yes, daily mail, a reliable source of information!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote: “I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves. Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2517391/Bulgarian-bu rglar-string-offence s-homeland-jailed-br eaking-house-just-NI NE-days-arriving-UK. html[/p][/quote]Yes, daily mail, a reliable source of information!!!!!! Bilulek

10:31am Wed 4 Dec 13

William2701 says...

Bilulek wrote:
William2701 wrote: “I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves. Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2517391/Bulgarian-bu rglar-string-offence s-homeland-jailed-br eaking-house-just-NI NE-days-arriving-UK. html
Yes, daily mail, a reliable source of information!!!!!!
Also widely reported in other media
[quote][p][bold]Bilulek[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote: “I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves. Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2517391/Bulgarian-bu rglar-string-offence s-homeland-jailed-br eaking-house-just-NI NE-days-arriving-UK. html[/p][/quote]Yes, daily mail, a reliable source of information!!!!!![/p][/quote]Also widely reported in other media William2701

10:31am Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

If people are not coming here to claim benefits as the pro immigration people keep saying then why are they worrying about them not being able to claim any benefits when they arrive here?
If people are not coming here to claim benefits as the pro immigration people keep saying then why are they worrying about them not being able to claim any benefits when they arrive here? thomas222

10:31am Wed 4 Dec 13

Bilulek says...

dirtyowdtown wrote:
If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?
But it's. It EU migrants. They don't need to be British citizens to claim anything. The article is about them, not people from outside Europe. Just saying
[quote][p][bold]dirtyowdtown[/bold] wrote: If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?[/p][/quote]But it's. It EU migrants. They don't need to be British citizens to claim anything. The article is about them, not people from outside Europe. Just saying Bilulek

10:35am Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

William2701 wrote:
“I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves. Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2517391/Bulgarian-bu rglar-string-offence s-homeland-jailed-br eaking-house-just-NI NE-days-arriving-UK. html
Why are people like you concerned about them not getting benefits when they arrive here if as you say they are here to work ?
[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote: “I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves. Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2517391/Bulgarian-bu rglar-string-offence s-homeland-jailed-br eaking-house-just-NI NE-days-arriving-UK. html[/p][/quote]Why are people like you concerned about them not getting benefits when they arrive here if as you say they are here to work ? thomas222

10:37am Wed 4 Dec 13

Wolfie190 says...

Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits. Wolfie190

10:41am Wed 4 Dec 13

byrom57 says...

we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help byrom57

10:44am Wed 4 Dec 13

Bilulek says...

It's all part of pre elections propaganda. If the govt is so bothered all of a sudden why not voting against Bulgaria and Romania joining the EU in the first place. Or now that it's done and dusted why postpone the referendum about unjoining EU until after the elections? Or why every job centre or public office employs translators who help people who can't say a word in English claim benefits? But yeah let's claim the immigrants!!! Hypocrites
It's all part of pre elections propaganda. If the govt is so bothered all of a sudden why not voting against Bulgaria and Romania joining the EU in the first place. Or now that it's done and dusted why postpone the referendum about unjoining EU until after the elections? Or why every job centre or public office employs translators who help people who can't say a word in English claim benefits? But yeah let's claim the immigrants!!! Hypocrites Bilulek

11:15am Wed 4 Dec 13

jonolakes says...

who do you think are are washing dishes and making beds in Greater Manchester hotels then??
who do you think are are washing dishes and making beds in Greater Manchester hotels then?? jonolakes

11:40am Wed 4 Dec 13

danssoncabaret says...

Carry on making stupid statements like this one Julie Hilling and guess who will be claiming, '' Job seekers allowance'' You and the stupid Clowncil.
Carry on making stupid statements like this one Julie Hilling and guess who will be claiming, '' Job seekers allowance'' You and the stupid Clowncil. danssoncabaret

12:35pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

steverock6@sky.com wrote:
In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue!
Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits.

What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.
[quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue![/p][/quote]Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits. What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden. The Righteous One

12:35pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

jonolakes wrote:
who do you think are are washing dishes and making beds in Greater Manchester hotels then??
70% are British, about 15% are Polish and the rest are actually Spanish!!!!
[quote][p][bold]jonolakes[/bold] wrote: who do you think are are washing dishes and making beds in Greater Manchester hotels then??[/p][/quote]70% are British, about 15% are Polish and the rest are actually Spanish!!!! The Righteous One

12:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

byrom57 wrote:
we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?
[quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic? The Righteous One

12:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Proof please - and also want the total figure of those crimes and how many were done by those BORN in the United Kigdom!
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Proof please - and also want the total figure of those crimes and how many were done by those BORN in the United Kigdom! The Righteous One

12:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

dirtyowdtown wrote:
If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?
Which rom/suite in the town hall are these taking place in - so that I can go and watch a ceremony - if it is actually daily!!!!
[quote][p][bold]dirtyowdtown[/bold] wrote: If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?[/p][/quote]Which rom/suite in the town hall are these taking place in - so that I can go and watch a ceremony - if it is actually daily!!!! The Righteous One

12:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

rnorris says...

Bolton has already become a **** hole, god knows what it will be like when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive. Sheffield Council is already having problems with the Roma community that has settled in its area and is spending thousands of pounds on courses to teach the Romanians how to behave......Walk through Bolton Arndale centre and all the seats are occupied by Eastern Europeans.......Thou
ght they were here to work ?
Bolton has already become a **** hole, god knows what it will be like when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive. Sheffield Council is already having problems with the Roma community that has settled in its area and is spending thousands of pounds on courses to teach the Romanians how to behave......Walk through Bolton Arndale centre and all the seats are occupied by Eastern Europeans.......Thou ght they were here to work ? rnorris

12:54pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
steverock6@sky.com wrote: In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue!
Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits. What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.
If they are not here to claim benefits then why the worry about them not being able to claim when they arrive here?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue![/p][/quote]Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits. What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.[/p][/quote]If they are not here to claim benefits then why the worry about them not being able to claim when they arrive here? thomas222

12:56pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
byrom57 wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?
We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?[/p][/quote]We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey! thomas222

2:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

heaton watcher says...

dirtyowdtown wrote:
If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?
100 every day - ridiculous, where do you get that figure from?

A study by University College London said recent immigrants were less likely to claim benefits and live in social housing than people born in Britain.

The authors said rather than being a "drain", their contribution had been "remarkably strong".

Immigrants who arrived after 1999 were 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than UK natives in the period 2000-2011, according to the report by Prof Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration.

They were also 3% less likely to live in social housing.
[quote][p][bold]dirtyowdtown[/bold] wrote: If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?[/p][/quote]100 every day - ridiculous, where do you get that figure from? A study by University College London said recent immigrants were less likely to claim benefits and live in social housing than people born in Britain. The authors said rather than being a "drain", their contribution had been "remarkably strong". Immigrants who arrived after 1999 were 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than UK natives in the period 2000-2011, according to the report by Prof Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration. They were also 3% less likely to live in social housing. heaton watcher

2:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

heaton watcher says...

William2701 wrote:
“I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves.

Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this:

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2517391/Bulgarian-bu

rglar-string-offence

s-homeland-jailed-br

eaking-house-just-NI

NE-days-arriving-UK.

html
A study by University College London said recent immigrants were less likely to claim benefits and live in social housing than people born in Britain.

The authors said rather than being a "drain", their contribution had been "remarkably strong".

Immigrants who arrived after 1999 were 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than UK natives in the period 2000-2011, according to the report by Prof Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration.

They were also 3% less likely to live in social housing.
[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote: “I am concerned about the blaming of these people — the truth is nobody comes to this country with the aim of just claiming benefits, they come here to try and find work and to better themselves. Do they really Julie? I suggest you also read this: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2517391/Bulgarian-bu rglar-string-offence s-homeland-jailed-br eaking-house-just-NI NE-days-arriving-UK. html[/p][/quote]A study by University College London said recent immigrants were less likely to claim benefits and live in social housing than people born in Britain. The authors said rather than being a "drain", their contribution had been "remarkably strong". Immigrants who arrived after 1999 were 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than UK natives in the period 2000-2011, according to the report by Prof Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration. They were also 3% less likely to live in social housing. heaton watcher

2:11pm Wed 4 Dec 13

heaton watcher says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?! heaton watcher

2:12pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

heaton watcher wrote:
dirtyowdtown wrote: If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?
100 every day - ridiculous, where do you get that figure from? A study by University College London said recent immigrants were less likely to claim benefits and live in social housing than people born in Britain. The authors said rather than being a "drain", their contribution had been "remarkably strong". Immigrants who arrived after 1999 were 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than UK natives in the period 2000-2011, according to the report by Prof Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration. They were also 3% less likely to live in social housing.
If they are not coming here to take benefits as you claim then why the concern they dont get any benefits when they arrive here?
[quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dirtyowdtown[/bold] wrote: If this was true then how come a 100+ immigrants every day go through the ridiculous British citizenship ceremony at the town hall and then proceed to stalls specially set up for them to sort out housing and benefits for them?[/p][/quote]100 every day - ridiculous, where do you get that figure from? A study by University College London said recent immigrants were less likely to claim benefits and live in social housing than people born in Britain. The authors said rather than being a "drain", their contribution had been "remarkably strong". Immigrants who arrived after 1999 were 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than UK natives in the period 2000-2011, according to the report by Prof Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration. They were also 3% less likely to live in social housing.[/p][/quote]If they are not coming here to take benefits as you claim then why the concern they dont get any benefits when they arrive here? thomas222

2:14pm Wed 4 Dec 13

heaton watcher says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
byrom57 wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?
We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey!
A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?[/p][/quote]We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey![/p][/quote]A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact! heaton watcher

2:20pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

heaton watcher wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
byrom57 wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?
We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey!
A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact!
But we dont that is my point my silly friend!
[quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?[/p][/quote]We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey![/p][/quote]A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact![/p][/quote]But we dont that is my point my silly friend! thomas222

2:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

tracingagent says...

It is a waste of time commenting on here. Quite obviously The Bolton News do not like true facts re immigrants etc.
I made a comment, containing true facts, but it has not been posted. So nothing new there.
It is a waste of time commenting on here. Quite obviously The Bolton News do not like true facts re immigrants etc. I made a comment, containing true facts, but it has not been posted. So nothing new there. tracingagent

3:04pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Donkey Stone says...

If immigrants don't come here to claim benefits, then not being able to claim won't affect them.
If immigrants don't come here to claim benefits, then not being able to claim won't affect them. Donkey Stone

3:05pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Donkey Stone says...

ANY NEWS ON OUR COUNCIL TAX DODGING COUNCILLORS YET LIAM?
ANY NEWS ON OUR COUNCIL TAX DODGING COUNCILLORS YET LIAM? Donkey Stone

4:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

byrom57 says...

320,000 migrants leave the UK each year so 680,000 net migrants coming in to the UK... as i said before we dont have the resources or infastructure for housing, schools, healthcare etc year on year to support this kind of uncontrolled influx thats the point i was trying to open up for discussion as politicians need to stop looking for quick wins with blase statements in the press and look at ways to bring it down to manageable levels.
320,000 migrants leave the UK each year so 680,000 net migrants coming in to the UK... as i said before we dont have the resources or infastructure for housing, schools, healthcare etc year on year to support this kind of uncontrolled influx thats the point i was trying to open up for discussion as politicians need to stop looking for quick wins with blase statements in the press and look at ways to bring it down to manageable levels. byrom57

4:13pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Greasy Chip Butty says...

We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians
.
We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians . Greasy Chip Butty

4:18pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians

.
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........ The Righteous One

4:20pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

byrom57 wrote:
320,000 migrants leave the UK each year so 680,000 net migrants coming in to the UK... as i said before we dont have the resources or infastructure for housing, schools, healthcare etc year on year to support this kind of uncontrolled influx thats the point i was trying to open up for discussion as politicians need to stop looking for quick wins with blase statements in the press and look at ways to bring it down to manageable levels.
Thumbs up for trying to open the discussion and one that needsto be discussed sensibly rather than scaremongering which many are trying to do and the politicians just jumping on the bandwaggon and not knowing what they are atually doing - sounds very similar to the 1930's in one european country!
[quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: 320,000 migrants leave the UK each year so 680,000 net migrants coming in to the UK... as i said before we dont have the resources or infastructure for housing, schools, healthcare etc year on year to support this kind of uncontrolled influx thats the point i was trying to open up for discussion as politicians need to stop looking for quick wins with blase statements in the press and look at ways to bring it down to manageable levels.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up for trying to open the discussion and one that needsto be discussed sensibly rather than scaremongering which many are trying to do and the politicians just jumping on the bandwaggon and not knowing what they are atually doing - sounds very similar to the 1930's in one european country! The Righteous One

4:26pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
byrom57 wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?
We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey!
A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact!
But we dont that is my point my silly friend!
Yes we do....

I lived in Holland for a few years and at one point I ended up on benefits for a couple of months.

Even now I see British people go over with no jobs and sign-on straight away and get the unemployment benefit, and social housing.

It even happens in France, Germany and EVERY other Eu country because that is what we are entitled to under EU legislation!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?[/p][/quote]We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey![/p][/quote]A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact![/p][/quote]But we dont that is my point my silly friend![/p][/quote]Yes we do.... I lived in Holland for a few years and at one point I ended up on benefits for a couple of months. Even now I see British people go over with no jobs and sign-on straight away and get the unemployment benefit, and social housing. It even happens in France, Germany and EVERY other Eu country because that is what we are entitled to under EU legislation! The Righteous One

5:11pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
byrom57 wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?
We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey!
A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact!
But we dont that is my point my silly friend!
Yes we do.... I lived in Holland for a few years and at one point I ended up on benefits for a couple of months. Even now I see British people go over with no jobs and sign-on straight away and get the unemployment benefit, and social housing. It even happens in France, Germany and EVERY other Eu country because that is what we are entitled to under EU legislation!
You are totally wrong once again check your facts better,you are one of the very few who claim any benefits in other countrys. A non national cannot even get social housing either in EU Countrys.

You also failed to answer my previous question to you regarding your opinion that immigrants are not here to claim benefits but to work. Then Why are you so worried that immigrants cant claim benefits when they arrive here if its not happening as you say ?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?[/p][/quote]We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey![/p][/quote]A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact![/p][/quote]But we dont that is my point my silly friend![/p][/quote]Yes we do.... I lived in Holland for a few years and at one point I ended up on benefits for a couple of months. Even now I see British people go over with no jobs and sign-on straight away and get the unemployment benefit, and social housing. It even happens in France, Germany and EVERY other Eu country because that is what we are entitled to under EU legislation![/p][/quote]You are totally wrong once again check your facts better,you are one of the very few who claim any benefits in other countrys. A non national cannot even get social housing either in EU Countrys. You also failed to answer my previous question to you regarding your opinion that immigrants are not here to claim benefits but to work. Then Why are you so worried that immigrants cant claim benefits when they arrive here if its not happening as you say ? thomas222

5:14pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Also truths that have been swept under the carpet by mainly Labour and now the Govenment... cant bs any more the cats out the bag!
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Also truths that have been swept under the carpet by mainly Labour and now the Govenment... cant bs any more the cats out the bag! thomas222

5:34pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Bowden Boy says...

If Julie has to eat her words, can she let us know where it's going to happen, so we can all watch.
If Julie has to eat her words, can she let us know where it's going to happen, so we can all watch. Bowden Boy

6:21pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Wolfie190 says...

heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
[quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground. Wolfie190

6:26pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Greasy Chip Butty says...

I forgot to mention Iraqis/Kurds/Afghans who seek asylum because we've bombed their places silly.
Fine, no wars in Europe at the moment but they simply come over seeking a better life. Most people would do the same.
What did we do in our might as Imperialists/Colonio
lists?
No problem in debating issues such as this........
I forgot to mention Iraqis/Kurds/Afghans who seek asylum because we've bombed their places silly. Fine, no wars in Europe at the moment but they simply come over seeking a better life. Most people would do the same. What did we do in our might as Imperialists/Colonio lists? No problem in debating issues such as this........ Greasy Chip Butty

6:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Jerry cruncher says...

Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election Jerry cruncher

6:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
I forgot to mention Iraqis/Kurds/Afghans who seek asylum because we've bombed their places silly. Fine, no wars in Europe at the moment but they simply come over seeking a better life. Most people would do the same. What did we do in our might as Imperialists/Colonio lists? No problem in debating issues such as this........
Iraq murdered the Kurds and the only killing going on is muslim against muslim in Iraq. Their fight get on with it and keep well away!
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: I forgot to mention Iraqis/Kurds/Afghans who seek asylum because we've bombed their places silly. Fine, no wars in Europe at the moment but they simply come over seeking a better life. Most people would do the same. What did we do in our might as Imperialists/Colonio lists? No problem in debating issues such as this........[/p][/quote]Iraq murdered the Kurds and the only killing going on is muslim against muslim in Iraq. Their fight get on with it and keep well away! thomas222

6:55pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Jerry cruncher wrote:
Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press?

Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
[quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact! BWFC71

6:59pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
I forgot to mention Iraqis/Kurds/Afghans who seek asylum because we've bombed their places silly. Fine, no wars in Europe at the moment but they simply come over seeking a better life. Most people would do the same. What did we do in our might as Imperialists/Colonio lists? No problem in debating issues such as this........
Iraq murdered the Kurds and the only killing going on is muslim against muslim in Iraq. Their fight get on with it and keep well away!
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: I forgot to mention Iraqis/Kurds/Afghans who seek asylum because we've bombed their places silly. Fine, no wars in Europe at the moment but they simply come over seeking a better life. Most people would do the same. What did we do in our might as Imperialists/Colonio lists? No problem in debating issues such as this........[/p][/quote]Iraq murdered the Kurds and the only killing going on is muslim against muslim in Iraq. Their fight get on with it and keep well away! thomas222

7:02pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
I forgot to mention Iraqis/Kurds/Afghans who seek asylum because we've bombed their places silly. Fine, no wars in Europe at the moment but they simply come over seeking a better life. Most people would do the same. What did we do in our might as Imperialists/Colonio lists? No problem in debating issues such as this........
Iraq murdered the Kurds and the only killing going on is muslim against muslim in Iraq. Their fight get on with it and keep well away!
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: I forgot to mention Iraqis/Kurds/Afghans who seek asylum because we've bombed their places silly. Fine, no wars in Europe at the moment but they simply come over seeking a better life. Most people would do the same. What did we do in our might as Imperialists/Colonio lists? No problem in debating issues such as this........[/p][/quote]Iraq murdered the Kurds and the only killing going on is muslim against muslim in Iraq. Their fight get on with it and keep well away! thomas222

7:03pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
What is a native Brit?

The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!!

Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker!

Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.[/p][/quote]What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races. BWFC71

7:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.
Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.[/p][/quote]What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.[/p][/quote]Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring.... thomas222

7:19pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
byrom57 wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?
We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey!
A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact!
But we dont that is my point my silly friend!
Yes we do.... I lived in Holland for a few years and at one point I ended up on benefits for a couple of months. Even now I see British people go over with no jobs and sign-on straight away and get the unemployment benefit, and social housing. It even happens in France, Germany and EVERY other Eu country because that is what we are entitled to under EU legislation!
You are totally wrong once again check your facts better,you are one of the very few who claim any benefits in other countrys. A non national cannot even get social housing either in EU Countrys.

You also failed to answer my previous question to you regarding your opinion that immigrants are not here to claim benefits but to work. Then Why are you so worried that immigrants cant claim benefits when they arrive here if its not happening as you say ?
Not wrong at all, as I only moved back to Bolton in January of this year, due to job, plus I still have my apartment I still in The Netherlands, so yes I do actually know what I am talking about!

How about checking out this website which actually helps ex-pats with housing, benefits etc etc etc

http://www.expatica.
com/nl/main.html

This gives any national, especially, Brits on how to claim and fend for themselves whilst in Holland. They even have websites for Spain, Portugal, France, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic and most other EU countries.

And if you check your facts you will know that what we come to expect in the UK HAS to be given in any other EU country! It is better reading a website that is not linked to a propaganda paper (such as The Daily Fail, The Sun) or linked to a propaganda Political Party (such as UKIP of BNP).

With regards to your question... Whilst in The Netherlands for the 1st 18 months I shared a house with 6 Polish people who were claiming benefits since they arrived until they found work within 6 weeks. They were overjoyed that they had found work. Then when the work dried up they claimed again but after 3 moth they gave up and returned back to Poland. Also, whilst in The Netherlands, I have plenty of friends who are Eastern European and they AL work because they want to work and don't want hand-outs. They come from Estonia, Czech Republic, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Lativa, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovak Republic as well as many bone-idle couldn't give a fig and expect something for nothing English-speaking nationals such as Irish, Americans, Australians and yes, even British!!! (as well as many hard-working English speaking nationals).

Since moving back to the UK again I have made friends with many national who ARE working and again they are Eastern European who want to work rather than get hand-outs.

Funnily enough I know more British who do not want to work and live on stat benefit and many who want to receive the working benefits rather than work hard or work together!!! (but again I also know many British who do work hard for what they earn).

If needs be I could introduce you to my friends and then you can say to their faces that they are not wanted in this great country of ours!!!! - The choice is yours if you want to or not , if you want to be enlightened or not, or if you want the truth rather than the propaganda!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?[/p][/quote]We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey![/p][/quote]A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact![/p][/quote]But we dont that is my point my silly friend![/p][/quote]Yes we do.... I lived in Holland for a few years and at one point I ended up on benefits for a couple of months. Even now I see British people go over with no jobs and sign-on straight away and get the unemployment benefit, and social housing. It even happens in France, Germany and EVERY other Eu country because that is what we are entitled to under EU legislation![/p][/quote]You are totally wrong once again check your facts better,you are one of the very few who claim any benefits in other countrys. A non national cannot even get social housing either in EU Countrys. You also failed to answer my previous question to you regarding your opinion that immigrants are not here to claim benefits but to work. Then Why are you so worried that immigrants cant claim benefits when they arrive here if its not happening as you say ?[/p][/quote]Not wrong at all, as I only moved back to Bolton in January of this year, due to job, plus I still have my apartment I still in The Netherlands, so yes I do actually know what I am talking about! How about checking out this website which actually helps ex-pats with housing, benefits etc etc etc http://www.expatica. com/nl/main.html This gives any national, especially, Brits on how to claim and fend for themselves whilst in Holland. They even have websites for Spain, Portugal, France, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic and most other EU countries. And if you check your facts you will know that what we come to expect in the UK HAS to be given in any other EU country! It is better reading a website that is not linked to a propaganda paper (such as The Daily Fail, The Sun) or linked to a propaganda Political Party (such as UKIP of BNP). With regards to your question... Whilst in The Netherlands for the 1st 18 months I shared a house with 6 Polish people who were claiming benefits since they arrived until they found work within 6 weeks. They were overjoyed that they had found work. Then when the work dried up they claimed again but after 3 moth they gave up and returned back to Poland. Also, whilst in The Netherlands, I have plenty of friends who are Eastern European and they AL work because they want to work and don't want hand-outs. They come from Estonia, Czech Republic, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Lativa, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovak Republic as well as many bone-idle couldn't give a fig and expect something for nothing English-speaking nationals such as Irish, Americans, Australians and yes, even British!!! (as well as many hard-working English speaking nationals). Since moving back to the UK again I have made friends with many national who ARE working and again they are Eastern European who want to work rather than get hand-outs. Funnily enough I know more British who do not want to work and live on stat benefit and many who want to receive the working benefits rather than work hard or work together!!! (but again I also know many British who do work hard for what they earn). If needs be I could introduce you to my friends and then you can say to their faces that they are not wanted in this great country of ours!!!! - The choice is yours if you want to or not , if you want to be enlightened or not, or if you want the truth rather than the propaganda! BWFC71

7:20pm Wed 4 Dec 13

fay clarke says...

Has anybody been unfortunate enough to live next door to these people? It is an overnight life-changing experience.
Has anybody been unfortunate enough to live next door to these people? It is an overnight life-changing experience. fay clarke

7:22pm Wed 4 Dec 13

George X says...

The Righteous One wrote:
steverock6@sky.com wrote:
In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue!
Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits.

What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.
Well were not going to be in the EU for much longer so you wont be able to use that argument for much longer will you !!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue![/p][/quote]Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits. What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.[/p][/quote]Well were not going to be in the EU for much longer so you wont be able to use that argument for much longer will you !! George X

7:22pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.
Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....
Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes.

You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly.

I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!!

Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.[/p][/quote]What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.[/p][/quote]Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....[/p][/quote]Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!! BWFC71

7:26pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
byrom57 wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?
We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey!
A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact!
But we dont that is my point my silly friend!
Yes we do.... I lived in Holland for a few years and at one point I ended up on benefits for a couple of months. Even now I see British people go over with no jobs and sign-on straight away and get the unemployment benefit, and social housing. It even happens in France, Germany and EVERY other Eu country because that is what we are entitled to under EU legislation!
You are totally wrong once again check your facts better,you are one of the very few who claim any benefits in other countrys. A non national cannot even get social housing either in EU Countrys. You also failed to answer my previous question to you regarding your opinion that immigrants are not here to claim benefits but to work. Then Why are you so worried that immigrants cant claim benefits when they arrive here if its not happening as you say ?
Not wrong at all, as I only moved back to Bolton in January of this year, due to job, plus I still have my apartment I still in The Netherlands, so yes I do actually know what I am talking about! How about checking out this website which actually helps ex-pats with housing, benefits etc etc etc http://www.expatica. com/nl/main.html This gives any national, especially, Brits on how to claim and fend for themselves whilst in Holland. They even have websites for Spain, Portugal, France, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic and most other EU countries. And if you check your facts you will know that what we come to expect in the UK HAS to be given in any other EU country! It is better reading a website that is not linked to a propaganda paper (such as The Daily Fail, The Sun) or linked to a propaganda Political Party (such as UKIP of BNP). With regards to your question... Whilst in The Netherlands for the 1st 18 months I shared a house with 6 Polish people who were claiming benefits since they arrived until they found work within 6 weeks. They were overjoyed that they had found work. Then when the work dried up they claimed again but after 3 moth they gave up and returned back to Poland. Also, whilst in The Netherlands, I have plenty of friends who are Eastern European and they AL work because they want to work and don't want hand-outs. They come from Estonia, Czech Republic, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Lativa, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovak Republic as well as many bone-idle couldn't give a fig and expect something for nothing English-speaking nationals such as Irish, Americans, Australians and yes, even British!!! (as well as many hard-working English speaking nationals). Since moving back to the UK again I have made friends with many national who ARE working and again they are Eastern European who want to work rather than get hand-outs. Funnily enough I know more British who do not want to work and live on stat benefit and many who want to receive the working benefits rather than work hard or work together!!! (but again I also know many British who do work hard for what they earn). If needs be I could introduce you to my friends and then you can say to their faces that they are not wanted in this great country of ours!!!! - The choice is yours if you want to or not , if you want to be enlightened or not, or if you want the truth rather than the propaganda!
Why are you concerned with them not being able to get benefit when they come here from another country then?. If its not a problem and dont happen as you are saying why kick up a fuss with something not a problem? the richous one declined to answer this qestion by the way... hahahahah
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]That how many migrated - but how many emigrated - why have you forsaken that statistic?[/p][/quote]We dont claim benefits overseas thats the difference matey![/p][/quote]A Briton going to work/live in another EU country is entitled to claim benefits in that country. And that's a fact![/p][/quote]But we dont that is my point my silly friend![/p][/quote]Yes we do.... I lived in Holland for a few years and at one point I ended up on benefits for a couple of months. Even now I see British people go over with no jobs and sign-on straight away and get the unemployment benefit, and social housing. It even happens in France, Germany and EVERY other Eu country because that is what we are entitled to under EU legislation![/p][/quote]You are totally wrong once again check your facts better,you are one of the very few who claim any benefits in other countrys. A non national cannot even get social housing either in EU Countrys. You also failed to answer my previous question to you regarding your opinion that immigrants are not here to claim benefits but to work. Then Why are you so worried that immigrants cant claim benefits when they arrive here if its not happening as you say ?[/p][/quote]Not wrong at all, as I only moved back to Bolton in January of this year, due to job, plus I still have my apartment I still in The Netherlands, so yes I do actually know what I am talking about! How about checking out this website which actually helps ex-pats with housing, benefits etc etc etc http://www.expatica. com/nl/main.html This gives any national, especially, Brits on how to claim and fend for themselves whilst in Holland. They even have websites for Spain, Portugal, France, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic and most other EU countries. And if you check your facts you will know that what we come to expect in the UK HAS to be given in any other EU country! It is better reading a website that is not linked to a propaganda paper (such as The Daily Fail, The Sun) or linked to a propaganda Political Party (such as UKIP of BNP). With regards to your question... Whilst in The Netherlands for the 1st 18 months I shared a house with 6 Polish people who were claiming benefits since they arrived until they found work within 6 weeks. They were overjoyed that they had found work. Then when the work dried up they claimed again but after 3 moth they gave up and returned back to Poland. Also, whilst in The Netherlands, I have plenty of friends who are Eastern European and they AL work because they want to work and don't want hand-outs. They come from Estonia, Czech Republic, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Lativa, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovak Republic as well as many bone-idle couldn't give a fig and expect something for nothing English-speaking nationals such as Irish, Americans, Australians and yes, even British!!! (as well as many hard-working English speaking nationals). Since moving back to the UK again I have made friends with many national who ARE working and again they are Eastern European who want to work rather than get hand-outs. Funnily enough I know more British who do not want to work and live on stat benefit and many who want to receive the working benefits rather than work hard or work together!!! (but again I also know many British who do work hard for what they earn). If needs be I could introduce you to my friends and then you can say to their faces that they are not wanted in this great country of ours!!!! - The choice is yours if you want to or not , if you want to be enlightened or not, or if you want the truth rather than the propaganda![/p][/quote]Why are you concerned with them not being able to get benefit when they come here from another country then?. If its not a problem and dont happen as you are saying why kick up a fuss with something not a problem? the richous one declined to answer this qestion by the way... hahahahah thomas222

7:30pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.
Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....
Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!!
No answer to my qestion have you smart arse!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.[/p][/quote]What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.[/p][/quote]Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....[/p][/quote]Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!![/p][/quote]No answer to my qestion have you smart arse! thomas222

7:33pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.
Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....
Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!!
and im british because im born here and my british passport tells me i am smart arse....
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.[/p][/quote]What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.[/p][/quote]Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....[/p][/quote]Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!![/p][/quote]and im british because im born here and my british passport tells me i am smart arse.... thomas222

7:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
steverock6@sky.com wrote:
In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue!
Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits.

What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.
Well were not going to be in the EU for much longer so you wont be able to use that argument for much longer will you !!
You honestly believe that?

No one is going to vote for the Conservatives, so that means there will bee no Yes/No referendum for the EU.

If the Conservatives do get in, Cameron will get a deal done with the EU, which he is close by the way as the Germans and French actually agree with him, then there will be no referendum.

Remember the referendum will be based on what deal the UK gets from the EU.

UKIP will definitely not get in, and if they did it would be part of a coalition to which the referendum would be put on a back-burner!!

If we do leave it would cost the UK economically. We would still have to pay the EU to trade with (EFTA) just like Norway, Lichtenstein, Iceland and Switzerland do, plus we would become to expensive to trade with many countries, as can be seen already wit nPower and other companies making people redundant over here and sending the work to other parts of the EU and outside the EU! So what will happen to unemployment, thee national debt etc etc etc. the EU can and will survive without the UK but we cannot! Don't forget that there are more countries in the EU with a AAA rating which means cheaper interest rates and better deals that can help the whole of the EU, whilst ours are more expensive with only being AA+ which would mean be more expensive for the common person!!!
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue![/p][/quote]Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits. What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.[/p][/quote]Well were not going to be in the EU for much longer so you wont be able to use that argument for much longer will you !![/p][/quote]You honestly believe that? No one is going to vote for the Conservatives, so that means there will bee no Yes/No referendum for the EU. If the Conservatives do get in, Cameron will get a deal done with the EU, which he is close by the way as the Germans and French actually agree with him, then there will be no referendum. Remember the referendum will be based on what deal the UK gets from the EU. UKIP will definitely not get in, and if they did it would be part of a coalition to which the referendum would be put on a back-burner!! If we do leave it would cost the UK economically. We would still have to pay the EU to trade with (EFTA) just like Norway, Lichtenstein, Iceland and Switzerland do, plus we would become to expensive to trade with many countries, as can be seen already wit nPower and other companies making people redundant over here and sending the work to other parts of the EU and outside the EU! So what will happen to unemployment, thee national debt etc etc etc. the EU can and will survive without the UK but we cannot! Don't forget that there are more countries in the EU with a AAA rating which means cheaper interest rates and better deals that can help the whole of the EU, whilst ours are more expensive with only being AA+ which would mean be more expensive for the common person!!! BWFC71

7:40pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.
Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....
Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!!
and im british because im born here and my british passport tells me i am smart arse....
Are you a British Subject or a British Citizen?

Ahh, so no matter which one you actually are, you are relying on a political border to describe who you are!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.[/p][/quote]What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.[/p][/quote]Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....[/p][/quote]Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!![/p][/quote]and im british because im born here and my british passport tells me i am smart arse....[/p][/quote]Are you a British Subject or a British Citizen? Ahh, so no matter which one you actually are, you are relying on a political border to describe who you are! BWFC71

7:42pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.
Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....
Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!!
and im british because im born here and my british passport tells me i am smart arse....
Are you a British Subject or a British Citizen?

Ahh, so no matter which one you actually are, you are relying on a political border to describe who you are!
Or how about these categories for being British?
British Overseas Territories Citizen
British Overseas Citizen
British National (Overseas)
British Protected Person
Commonwealth citizen


So which one are you again?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.[/p][/quote]What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.[/p][/quote]Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....[/p][/quote]Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!![/p][/quote]and im british because im born here and my british passport tells me i am smart arse....[/p][/quote]Are you a British Subject or a British Citizen? Ahh, so no matter which one you actually are, you are relying on a political border to describe who you are![/p][/quote]Or how about these categories for being British? British Overseas Territories Citizen British Overseas Citizen British National (Overseas) British Protected Person Commonwealth citizen So which one are you again? BWFC71

7:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

British passport?

You mean your European Passport issued by The British Government
or what about your European Driving Licence issued by the DVLA
British passport? You mean your European Passport issued by The British Government or what about your European Driving Licence issued by the DVLA BWFC71

7:46pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
steverock6@sky.com wrote: In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue!
Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits. What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.
Well were not going to be in the EU for much longer so you wont be able to use that argument for much longer will you !!
You honestly believe that? No one is going to vote for the Conservatives, so that means there will bee no Yes/No referendum for the EU. If the Conservatives do get in, Cameron will get a deal done with the EU, which he is close by the way as the Germans and French actually agree with him, then there will be no referendum. Remember the referendum will be based on what deal the UK gets from the EU. UKIP will definitely not get in, and if they did it would be part of a coalition to which the referendum would be put on a back-burner!! If we do leave it would cost the UK economically. We would still have to pay the EU to trade with (EFTA) just like Norway, Lichtenstein, Iceland and Switzerland do, plus we would become to expensive to trade with many countries, as can be seen already wit nPower and other companies making people redundant over here and sending the work to other parts of the EU and outside the EU! So what will happen to unemployment, thee national debt etc etc etc. the EU can and will survive without the UK but we cannot! Don't forget that there are more countries in the EU with a AAA rating which means cheaper interest rates and better deals that can help the whole of the EU, whilst ours are more expensive with only being AA+ which would mean be more expensive for the common person!!!
Answer the question sweetheart or is it to difficult for you!! hahahaha.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue![/p][/quote]Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits. What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.[/p][/quote]Well were not going to be in the EU for much longer so you wont be able to use that argument for much longer will you !![/p][/quote]You honestly believe that? No one is going to vote for the Conservatives, so that means there will bee no Yes/No referendum for the EU. If the Conservatives do get in, Cameron will get a deal done with the EU, which he is close by the way as the Germans and French actually agree with him, then there will be no referendum. Remember the referendum will be based on what deal the UK gets from the EU. UKIP will definitely not get in, and if they did it would be part of a coalition to which the referendum would be put on a back-burner!! If we do leave it would cost the UK economically. We would still have to pay the EU to trade with (EFTA) just like Norway, Lichtenstein, Iceland and Switzerland do, plus we would become to expensive to trade with many countries, as can be seen already wit nPower and other companies making people redundant over here and sending the work to other parts of the EU and outside the EU! So what will happen to unemployment, thee national debt etc etc etc. the EU can and will survive without the UK but we cannot! Don't forget that there are more countries in the EU with a AAA rating which means cheaper interest rates and better deals that can help the whole of the EU, whilst ours are more expensive with only being AA+ which would mean be more expensive for the common person!!![/p][/quote]Answer the question sweetheart or is it to difficult for you!! hahahaha. thomas222

7:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
steverock6@sky.com wrote:
In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue!
Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits.

What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.
Well were not going to be in the EU for much longer so you wont be able to use that argument for much longer will you !!
You honestly believe that?

No one is going to vote for the Conservatives, so that means there will bee no Yes/No referendum for the EU.

If the Conservatives do get in, Cameron will get a deal done with the EU, which he is close by the way as the Germans and French actually agree with him, then there will be no referendum.

Remember the referendum will be based on what deal the UK gets from the EU.

UKIP will definitely not get in, and if they did it would be part of a coalition to which the referendum would be put on a back-burner!!

If we do leave it would cost the UK economically. We would still have to pay the EU to trade with (EFTA) just like Norway, Lichtenstein, Iceland and Switzerland do, plus we would become to expensive to trade with many countries, as can be seen already wit nPower and other companies making people redundant over here and sending the work to other parts of the EU and outside the EU! So what will happen to unemployment, thee national debt etc etc etc. the EU can and will survive without the UK but we cannot! Don't forget that there are more countries in the EU with a AAA rating which means cheaper interest rates and better deals that can help the whole of the EU, whilst ours are more expensive with only being AA+ which would mean be more expensive for the common person!!!
Yeah i believe that ! i would'nt have written otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: In other countries if you move there they have to have a guaranteed job and also money in your bank in case of illness or unemployment in this country people can just walk in, the contribution they make to the economy is minimal they take jobs that British people can't get they do long hours we cannot because they do six months and go home we can't do that and they take most of their earnings home it cannot continue![/p][/quote]Nope. You can move to any country within the EU WITHOUT having a job lined up or guaranteed and claim benefits from the offset. I have seen it done many times whilst I lived in The Netherlands - and yes for a while I had to claim benefits. What cannot continue is the usual scaremongering and propaganda of which we do not know. We know for a fact, as history dictates that teh influx of Bulgarians and Romanians will be nowhere near as bad as what teh inlfux of Polish was - why? The history between the two countries has never been good, they were part of the Axis powers during the two world wars, they all have relations or other links to people in the germanic countries and also since 2007 they ahve allowed to travel freely and many have moved to Spain and Itlay as their languages are more akin to the Bulgarian and Romanian languages to easier to learn. In fact thanks to a recent study the UK is about 8th or 9th of the places to work/claim benefits for the Bulgarians and Romanians and we are behind Greece, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Lichtenstien and even Sweden.[/p][/quote]Well were not going to be in the EU for much longer so you wont be able to use that argument for much longer will you !![/p][/quote]You honestly believe that? No one is going to vote for the Conservatives, so that means there will bee no Yes/No referendum for the EU. If the Conservatives do get in, Cameron will get a deal done with the EU, which he is close by the way as the Germans and French actually agree with him, then there will be no referendum. Remember the referendum will be based on what deal the UK gets from the EU. UKIP will definitely not get in, and if they did it would be part of a coalition to which the referendum would be put on a back-burner!! If we do leave it would cost the UK economically. We would still have to pay the EU to trade with (EFTA) just like Norway, Lichtenstein, Iceland and Switzerland do, plus we would become to expensive to trade with many countries, as can be seen already wit nPower and other companies making people redundant over here and sending the work to other parts of the EU and outside the EU! So what will happen to unemployment, thee national debt etc etc etc. the EU can and will survive without the UK but we cannot! Don't forget that there are more countries in the EU with a AAA rating which means cheaper interest rates and better deals that can help the whole of the EU, whilst ours are more expensive with only being AA+ which would mean be more expensive for the common person!!![/p][/quote]Yeah i believe that ! i would'nt have written otherwise. George X

7:59pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.
What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.
Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....
Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!!
and im british because im born here and my british passport tells me i am smart arse....
Are you a British Subject or a British Citizen? Ahh, so no matter which one you actually are, you are relying on a political border to describe who you are!
What i am is what i feel and nothing to do with you. ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE NOT DOING SO IS MAKING YOU LOOK VERY STUPID FELLA! HAHA
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]That may explain your difference of opinion to us native Brits who've had enough of the UK being the worlds dumping ground.[/p][/quote]What is a native Brit? The only true British person is dead, as they died centuries ago because there is NO SUCH THING!!! Humanity evolved from the ape species in the middle-east/african region and then spread out to cover the whole globe and after successive invasions into Briton there is no pure British person. Even the English language is not pure as it is primarily based upon Latin with a string Germanic twist - in fact the German dialect that modern English derives from is the same dialect that Dutch is based on, then lets not forget all th French words, Dutch words, Italian etc etc etc Then lets not forget the words that come fro our Empire days such as many Indian and Pakistani words we use every day without batting a eyelid, such as snooker! Thus all goes to show there is no such thing as a British person and we are al interlinked to some degree with other nationalities/races.[/p][/quote]Not interested with all that crap you just posted as its long long ago and im not responsible for someone elses crimes long ago. Every powerful country in the world took others lands from china to spian and portugal. Its long ago and you bringing up this a reason for immigration here and now has worn thin.. its nothing to do with it... its here and now not then..... Change the record for one will you its got boring....[/p][/quote]Now if you read my posts I didn't mention any countries past crimes. You assumed and guess what you assumed wrongly. I bet you wont rad my last pot, although I am answering a question YOU posed to me!!! Now I cannot get you to read my posts but there again you cannot polish a turd!!![/p][/quote]and im british because im born here and my british passport tells me i am smart arse....[/p][/quote]Are you a British Subject or a British Citizen? Ahh, so no matter which one you actually are, you are relying on a political border to describe who you are![/p][/quote]What i am is what i feel and nothing to do with you. ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE NOT DOING SO IS MAKING YOU LOOK VERY STUPID FELLA! HAHA thomas222

7:59pm Wed 4 Dec 13

English Democrats says...

Labour’s open-door immigration policy drove down wages and living standards in Britain, the LibCons have learnt nothing from Labour's open door immigration and will now allow in uncontrolled numbers from Bulgaria and Romania. This will once again have an adverse effect on peoples lives driving down wages and living standards even further.
Labour’s open-door immigration policy drove down wages and living standards in Britain, the LibCons have learnt nothing from Labour's open door immigration and will now allow in uncontrolled numbers from Bulgaria and Romania. This will once again have an adverse effect on peoples lives driving down wages and living standards even further. English Democrats

8:02pm Wed 4 Dec 13

mowens999 says...

Ms Hilling.... are you for real..? The main focus on coming to Britain is the benefits system and the amount of money available compared to the run down countries they come from.. They (muslims) threaten to kill everyone in this country if we don't roll over to them.. the eastern Europeans in their droves hit our shores running contributing not much more than theft, knife crimes, begging, pickpocketing and social dysfunction on the scale that is overwhelming our police forces around the country. Most of the money you and your fairy brained fellow MPs allow them goes back to their own countries and posh new houses displaying their 'wealth' and 'prosperity' due to soft, backside kissing, vote buying MPs who think nothing of this country and it's security and wellbeing as long as they can keep their huge unjustified wages and fraudulently claimed expenses to keep them in a lifestyle above us poor suffering peasants while you all drink with your little pinkie stuck out and lie about your excellent parentage and breeding.. By letting more immigrants into this country and buying their votes you are adding to a major problem of civil war.... The extremists already here promising to cut our throats when they take over (including yours) are getting stronger because you yellow livered policies are allowing more extremists in to bolster their numbers and ranks... You MPS are only concerned for yourselves NOT our country.. Nero at least played music whilst he watched his handy work unfurl before him, what will the elected (HA..!) MPs do..??? Cower and beg for mercy from a threat to this country were no mercy will be given.. Do your job and ask US what we want Not tell us what YOU want and then force your stupid ideas onto our country.. If this country capitulates to the extremists then the 'tag' of traitor will be well aimed, this government should be ashamed of itself.......

MR **** ANGRY OF HORWICH.
Ms Hilling.... are you for real..? The main focus on coming to Britain is the benefits system and the amount of money available compared to the run down countries they come from.. They (muslims) threaten to kill everyone in this country if we don't roll over to them.. the eastern Europeans in their droves hit our shores running contributing not much more than theft, knife crimes, begging, pickpocketing and social dysfunction on the scale that is overwhelming our police forces around the country. Most of the money you and your fairy brained fellow MPs allow them goes back to their own countries and posh new houses displaying their 'wealth' and 'prosperity' due to soft, backside kissing, vote buying MPs who think nothing of this country and it's security and wellbeing as long as they can keep their huge unjustified wages and fraudulently claimed expenses to keep them in a lifestyle above us poor suffering peasants while you all drink with your little pinkie stuck out and lie about your excellent parentage and breeding.. By letting more immigrants into this country and buying their votes you are adding to a major problem of civil war.... The extremists already here promising to cut our throats when they take over (including yours) are getting stronger because you yellow livered policies are allowing more extremists in to bolster their numbers and ranks... You MPS are only concerned for yourselves NOT our country.. Nero at least played music whilst he watched his handy work unfurl before him, what will the elected (HA..!) MPs do..??? Cower and beg for mercy from a threat to this country were no mercy will be given.. Do your job and ask US what we want Not tell us what YOU want and then force your stupid ideas onto our country.. If this country capitulates to the extremists then the 'tag' of traitor will be well aimed, this government should be ashamed of itself....... MR **** ANGRY OF HORWICH. mowens999

8:07pm Wed 4 Dec 13

orion6 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press?

Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party. orion6

8:07pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Kenipetwoman says...

I for one shall not be getting involved in this thread. Already been told off by the BN for having an 'opinion' in my own country :-) Vote UKIP
I for one shall not be getting involved in this thread. Already been told off by the BN for having an 'opinion' in my own country :-) Vote UKIP Kenipetwoman

8:18pm Wed 4 Dec 13

George X says...

Kenipetwoman wrote:
I for one shall not be getting involved in this thread. Already been told off by the BN for having an 'opinion' in my own country :-) Vote UKIP
That's because a certain regular poster on here is in cohoots with the editor
"coughbwfc71cough" and whines like a little girl if someone upsets him ... or her !!
[quote][p][bold]Kenipetwoman[/bold] wrote: I for one shall not be getting involved in this thread. Already been told off by the BN for having an 'opinion' in my own country :-) Vote UKIP[/p][/quote]That's because a certain regular poster on here is in cohoots with the editor "coughbwfc71cough" and whines like a little girl if someone upsets him ... or her !! George X

8:27pm Wed 4 Dec 13

George X says...

orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press?

Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !!
[quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !! George X

8:32pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Kenipetwoman says...

George X wrote:
Kenipetwoman wrote:
I for one shall not be getting involved in this thread. Already been told off by the BN for having an 'opinion' in my own country :-) Vote UKIP
That's because a certain regular poster on here is in cohoots with the editor
"coughbwfc71cou
gh" and whines like a little girl if someone upsets him ... or her !!
Yeah I can imagine a few 'keyboard warriors' are pally pally with the editors
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kenipetwoman[/bold] wrote: I for one shall not be getting involved in this thread. Already been told off by the BN for having an 'opinion' in my own country :-) Vote UKIP[/p][/quote]That's because a certain regular poster on here is in cohoots with the editor "coughbwfc71cou gh" and whines like a little girl if someone upsets him ... or her !![/p][/quote]Yeah I can imagine a few 'keyboard warriors' are pally pally with the editors Kenipetwoman

8:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press?

Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!!

The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!!

This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!!

Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries.

I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews.

Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience!

(and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job)

People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?
[quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working? BWFC71

8:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

George X wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !!
Answer my question could you sweet heart. The Richous One couldnt answer so his credibility has gone on this subject,perhaps you are more intelligent?

Here it is again just in case you forgot it darling: Why are you obsessed with new immigrants coming to this country and not being able to get any benefits when they arrive here. If its true what Labour say and they are here to work then whats the problem as not claiming wont effect them will it?. Is that simple enough?
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !![/p][/quote]Answer my question could you sweet heart. The Richous One couldnt answer so his credibility has gone on this subject,perhaps you are more intelligent? Here it is again just in case you forgot it darling: Why are you obsessed with new immigrants coming to this country and not being able to get any benefits when they arrive here. If its true what Labour say and they are here to work then whats the problem as not claiming wont effect them will it?. Is that simple enough? thomas222

8:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press?

Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !!
None are morally superior - they are all in it for the money - including the French sounding Banker who enjoys paying very little in taxes due to off-shore Bank Accounts!

If I was you I would try to watch/PVR "The Revolution Will Be Televised" on BBC3 - a satirical look at politics and companies and shows the "real" truth of the immoral politicians and company CEO's (and yes that does include Nigel Farage who expenses he claims from the EU are to be seen/heard to be believed and are true under Freedom of Information acts)
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !![/p][/quote]None are morally superior - they are all in it for the money - including the French sounding Banker who enjoys paying very little in taxes due to off-shore Bank Accounts! If I was you I would try to watch/PVR "The Revolution Will Be Televised" on BBC3 - a satirical look at politics and companies and shows the "real" truth of the immoral politicians and company CEO's (and yes that does include Nigel Farage who expenses he claims from the EU are to be seen/heard to be believed and are true under Freedom of Information acts) BWFC71

8:45pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?
If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits?

Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey.
Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic.
Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?[/p][/quote]If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah thomas222

8:51pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
George X wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !!
Answer my question could you sweet heart. The Richous One couldnt answer so his credibility has gone on this subject,perhaps you are more intelligent?

Here it is again just in case you forgot it darling: Why are you obsessed with new immigrants coming to this country and not being able to get any benefits when they arrive here. If its true what Labour say and they are here to work then whats the problem as not claiming wont effect them will it?. Is that simple enough?
1. DO NOT all me darling as I am not your partner. If you want to use any word then Sir would be more appropriate!
2. I see that you could not be bothered to read my reply which was posted at 7:19pm
3. short version - not obsessed but people have the FREEDOM and CHOICE to live and work wherever they want! Just like you do!! It has nothing to do with benefits but with accurate facts and probable truth rather than fantasies of a misguided non-Westminster based politician!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !![/p][/quote]Answer my question could you sweet heart. The Richous One couldnt answer so his credibility has gone on this subject,perhaps you are more intelligent? Here it is again just in case you forgot it darling: Why are you obsessed with new immigrants coming to this country and not being able to get any benefits when they arrive here. If its true what Labour say and they are here to work then whats the problem as not claiming wont effect them will it?. Is that simple enough?[/p][/quote]1. DO NOT all me darling as I am not your partner. If you want to use any word then Sir would be more appropriate! 2. I see that you could not be bothered to read my reply which was posted at 7:19pm 3. short version - not obsessed but people have the FREEDOM and CHOICE to live and work wherever they want! Just like you do!! It has nothing to do with benefits but with accurate facts and probable truth rather than fantasies of a misguided non-Westminster based politician! BWFC71

8:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

orion6 says...

George X wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press?

Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !!
I can finally agree with a point you make, there is however, a growing distrust of all our politicians. On immigration and EU policy it is interesting to see the apparent increasing support of UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !![/p][/quote]I can finally agree with a point you make, there is however, a growing distrust of all our politicians. On immigration and EU policy it is interesting to see the apparent increasing support of UKIP. orion6

9:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
George X wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !!
Answer my question could you sweet heart. The Richous One couldnt answer so his credibility has gone on this subject,perhaps you are more intelligent? Here it is again just in case you forgot it darling: Why are you obsessed with new immigrants coming to this country and not being able to get any benefits when they arrive here. If its true what Labour say and they are here to work then whats the problem as not claiming wont effect them will it?. Is that simple enough?
1. DO NOT all me darling as I am not your partner. If you want to use any word then Sir would be more appropriate! 2. I see that you could not be bothered to read my reply which was posted at 7:19pm 3. short version - not obsessed but people have the FREEDOM and CHOICE to live and work wherever they want! Just like you do!! It has nothing to do with benefits but with accurate facts and probable truth rather than fantasies of a misguided non-Westminster based politician!
You digress yet again Sir! You are looking very very stupid now!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !![/p][/quote]Answer my question could you sweet heart. The Richous One couldnt answer so his credibility has gone on this subject,perhaps you are more intelligent? Here it is again just in case you forgot it darling: Why are you obsessed with new immigrants coming to this country and not being able to get any benefits when they arrive here. If its true what Labour say and they are here to work then whats the problem as not claiming wont effect them will it?. Is that simple enough?[/p][/quote]1. DO NOT all me darling as I am not your partner. If you want to use any word then Sir would be more appropriate! 2. I see that you could not be bothered to read my reply which was posted at 7:19pm 3. short version - not obsessed but people have the FREEDOM and CHOICE to live and work wherever they want! Just like you do!! It has nothing to do with benefits but with accurate facts and probable truth rather than fantasies of a misguided non-Westminster based politician![/p][/quote]You digress yet again Sir! You are looking very very stupid now! thomas222

9:01pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?
If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits?

Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey.
Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic.
Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah
British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs!
If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!.

I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy.

If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?[/p][/quote]If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah[/p][/quote]British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain? BWFC71

9:10pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
George X wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !!
Answer my question could you sweet heart. The Richous One couldnt answer so his credibility has gone on this subject,perhaps you are more intelligent? Here it is again just in case you forgot it darling: Why are you obsessed with new immigrants coming to this country and not being able to get any benefits when they arrive here. If its true what Labour say and they are here to work then whats the problem as not claiming wont effect them will it?. Is that simple enough?
1. DO NOT all me darling as I am not your partner. If you want to use any word then Sir would be more appropriate! 2. I see that you could not be bothered to read my reply which was posted at 7:19pm 3. short version - not obsessed but people have the FREEDOM and CHOICE to live and work wherever they want! Just like you do!! It has nothing to do with benefits but with accurate facts and probable truth rather than fantasies of a misguided non-Westminster based politician!
You digress yet again Sir! You are looking very very stupid now!
I refer you to my response, at 7:19pm, to the question you posed.

If you do not want to read it, it is not my fault, and solely yours!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !![/p][/quote]Answer my question could you sweet heart. The Richous One couldnt answer so his credibility has gone on this subject,perhaps you are more intelligent? Here it is again just in case you forgot it darling: Why are you obsessed with new immigrants coming to this country and not being able to get any benefits when they arrive here. If its true what Labour say and they are here to work then whats the problem as not claiming wont effect them will it?. Is that simple enough?[/p][/quote]1. DO NOT all me darling as I am not your partner. If you want to use any word then Sir would be more appropriate! 2. I see that you could not be bothered to read my reply which was posted at 7:19pm 3. short version - not obsessed but people have the FREEDOM and CHOICE to live and work wherever they want! Just like you do!! It has nothing to do with benefits but with accurate facts and probable truth rather than fantasies of a misguided non-Westminster based politician![/p][/quote]You digress yet again Sir! You are looking very very stupid now![/p][/quote]I refer you to my response, at 7:19pm, to the question you posed. If you do not want to read it, it is not my fault, and solely yours! BWFC71

9:11pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?
If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah
British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?
Forget the smoke and mirror distraction comments and answer the question iasked you yet again Sir.....You are looking really really stupid now!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?[/p][/quote]If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah[/p][/quote]British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?[/p][/quote]Forget the smoke and mirror distraction comments and answer the question iasked you yet again Sir.....You are looking really really stupid now! thomas222

9:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

orion6 wrote:
George X wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press?

Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !!
I can finally agree with a point you make, there is however, a growing distrust of all our politicians. On immigration and EU policy it is interesting to see the apparent increasing support of UKIP.
But UKIP are jut as bad - Nigel Farage just like everyone else does not now the answer as to how many will come over but I have tried to show that historical links will play a massive part in what will happen - just like it did when the Poles came over.

The problem that Farage has created is that he has proved that he has twisted actual figures, and actually been proved to lie not just once but on numerous occasions. Also if you were in his position would you want to lose a cushy number in Brussels/Strasbourg/
Luxembourg which actually pays more than a Westminster MP and expenses are slacker than at Westminster? I know I wouldn't want to.
[quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]You could guarentee that if Anti immigration was a vote winner thing's would be a bit different, you'd soon find out which politicians were morally superior and who was just in it for the money !![/p][/quote]I can finally agree with a point you make, there is however, a growing distrust of all our politicians. On immigration and EU policy it is interesting to see the apparent increasing support of UKIP.[/p][/quote]But UKIP are jut as bad - Nigel Farage just like everyone else does not now the answer as to how many will come over but I have tried to show that historical links will play a massive part in what will happen - just like it did when the Poles came over. The problem that Farage has created is that he has proved that he has twisted actual figures, and actually been proved to lie not just once but on numerous occasions. Also if you were in his position would you want to lose a cushy number in Brussels/Strasbourg/ Luxembourg which actually pays more than a Westminster MP and expenses are slacker than at Westminster? I know I wouldn't want to. BWFC71

9:18pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?
If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah
British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?
Forget the smoke and mirror distraction comments and answer the question iasked you yet again Sir.....You are looking really really stupid now!
I refer to my response at 7:19pm
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?[/p][/quote]If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah[/p][/quote]British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?[/p][/quote]Forget the smoke and mirror distraction comments and answer the question iasked you yet again Sir.....You are looking really really stupid now![/p][/quote]I refer to my response at 7:19pm BWFC71

9:28pm Wed 4 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?
If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah
British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?
Forget the smoke and mirror distraction comments and answer the question iasked you yet again Sir.....You are looking really really stupid now!
I refer to my response at 7:19pm
You have no answer so have no credibility Sir. Please leave this post and go on one with questions not as difficult to understand. Theres a good lad! : )
Ps. You just been done like a kipper me old son!
pps. AND THE OTHER TWO CLOWNS ALSO!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?[/p][/quote]If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah[/p][/quote]British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?[/p][/quote]Forget the smoke and mirror distraction comments and answer the question iasked you yet again Sir.....You are looking really really stupid now![/p][/quote]I refer to my response at 7:19pm[/p][/quote]You have no answer so have no credibility Sir. Please leave this post and go on one with questions not as difficult to understand. Theres a good lad! : ) Ps. You just been done like a kipper me old son! pps. AND THE OTHER TWO CLOWNS ALSO! thomas222

9:28pm Wed 4 Dec 13

biglad44 says...

Welcome to bolton the town of free and plenty
Welcome to bolton the town of free and plenty biglad44

9:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Citizen Cane says...

Vote Labour is a vote for open door immigration - they've got previous : 3 million immigrants can't be wrong
Vote Labour is a vote for open door immigration - they've got previous : 3 million immigrants can't be wrong Citizen Cane

9:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
orion6 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election
Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact!
No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.
Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?
If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah
British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?
Forget the smoke and mirror distraction comments and answer the question iasked you yet again Sir.....You are looking really really stupid now!
I refer to my response at 7:19pm
You have no answer so have no credibility Sir. Please leave this post and go on one with questions not as difficult to understand. Theres a good lad! : )
Ps. You just been done like a kipper me old son!
pps. AND THE OTHER TWO CLOWNS ALSO!
I have answered and its a full and factually correct answer, hich can be seen in my response on Wednesday 4th December at 7:19pm, but because it is not the answer YOU desire you claim that I haven't answered.

Sorry to spoil your dreams but every single person is an individual with their own thoughts and opinions, and beliefs and that means that yes there will be people, myself included, with opinions opposite to your own.

And to try to Order/persuade me to leave this thread just goes to show how much contempt you have for the people that have ever fought for this country's beliefs which is FREEDOM, EXPRESSION and TOLERANCE! You have just insulted ALL the current service people and those that have died in the past!

Please re-read my post on Wednesday 4th December at 7:19pm to reveal what you asked.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]orion6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: Hulling needs to resign,to make such ludicrous comments shows she is out of touch with the people she is supposed to represent.People like Hilling are only interested in pushing their flawed left wing ideology I hope her constituents remember her comments at the next election[/p][/quote]Or is it the people are out of touch with actual fact and only reading what they see on the propaganda press? Don't let facts get in the way of lies and once lies are told often enough they become the "urban-truth" but not fact![/p][/quote]No, the people are not out of touch with fact and dependent only on what they read, in what you term “the propaganda press”. The people can actually see what is happening on the streets of our towns and cities. The people can see what is happening in our overcrowded schools. The people can see what is happening in our hospitals. So the Righteous One/BWFC71 please don’t patronise and insult the intelligence of the British public. To even suggest that the people are unaware of the immigration problems, affecting their lives, and are indoctrinated by a diet of false propaganda shows a clear lack of sensitivity, understanding and a degree of arrogance on your part. To return to the main issue of this thread, I believe that the Labour MP Julie Hilling has made a serious error by her statement. Some might well accuse her of making a play for the immigrant vote. I think Julie Hilling would do well to listen to the people she represents and perhaps not appear to be more concerned with pleasing her masters and furthering her own career within the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Yes they are some that believe the lies that are being fed to them, including you by the looks of it!!!! The fact is Labour, and the Conservatives, made a huge error in allowing the Polish in without any restraint like what most of Europe did. Therefore where are were the Polish going to go to???? Once the rest of the EU opened up they did trickle out of the UK to their country of choice. But you also have to look at the history between the UK and Poland - we even entered WWII to help out our closest allie from invasion and since then we have welcomed the Pols with open arms - I even went to school with Polish friends and that was during the 70's and 80'!!! This time round the Romanians and Bulgarians are supposedly going to come in their millions!!!! Firstly between the 2 countries there are only 30 million citizens!!! Secondly they have been allowed to come to UK claim benefits, get free healthcare and even work in certain sectors since they joined the EU in 2007. As it is very few came over - therefore it is not about the benefits or healthcare, otherwise they would already be here!!! The only restriction they had was with regards to work and only a few sectors were subject to the restraining order - but even they given the right paperwork they could work!!! For them their countries of choice are Spain - were there are about 1.5 million; Italy were there are about 1 million; Greece were there are about 1 million and Sweden where there is about 3/4 million!!! Yes we do have immigrants on benefits, just as much as there are British people on benefits in other countries and even British people in the UK. Also, as being part of the EU British person can go to any other EU country and claim from day 1 with no restrictions - only difference being the rate of benefit is inline with the cost of living in the various countries. I was one of those that fell into that category. I moved to The Netherlands with no job, went straight on to their benefit system. Within 2 months I had a job and worked for over 5 years before the office closed and everyone was made redundant - I ended up on benefits, again, and stayed on them until I got another job. But the rate of unemployment benefit was dependent upon my last job - when I first moved there I received the minimum pay for my age (in the Netherlands the maximum rate of minimum wage increases each year as it depends on your age - the older you are, the more you get). When I was made unemployed the second time I got 70% of my last monthly wage as unemployment benefit as well as my hypotheek repayments being fully paid each month by the State and a "living" wage so I could eat, and travel for interviews. Therefore I do not speak through arrogance but through experience! (and before you asked I moved there in October 2006, started work in February 2007 lost my job in November 2011 and found work again in September 2012 before moving back to UK in January this year for my new, and current, job) People move abroad for work, in 97% of the cases - but you will always get the melligners (sp) in any scenario/society, just like you do in the so-called true "British" society! For example How many Brits go to Spain and live off benefits and hand-outs rather than work??? How many Brits stay at home and live off benefits? How many Brits claim working tax credits whilst they are working?[/p][/quote]If they are here to work its not a problem is it then!. Why are you concerned that the ones who dont want to work cant get any benefits? Brits dont claim in spain i lived the 20yrs matey. Brits have paid in they havnt you lunatic. Bet you cant answer my question,the other two muppets on here cant... hahahahah[/p][/quote]British do claim in Spain - I know of at least 5 people who moved there just to live on Spanish benefits!!! You ought to get your head out of the sand. Some moved there on the promise of work which didn't materialise and ended up on benefits and hand-outs! If you pay tax in any EU country then you have paid into the social security system. The National Insurance system does NOT pay for the benefits. Benefits come from general taxation and income tax - which every worker in the EU pays!!!. I have never been concerned about the ones who come here just to live off benefits as it happens the other way round. the fact is out of all the work migrants that come over less than 3% of them claim ANY benefit whatsoever. 95% live in private rental homes. In fact the work migrants contribute a hell of a lot to the British economy. If you have lived in Spain for the last 20 years does that mean you are/will be living off Spanish benefits/pension or are you/will be claiming benefits/pension from the UK Government? Who pays for your health insurance? If you fall ill who will you claim benefits from, to tide you over? Also if you are so angry about what is happening in the UK, why are you living in Spain?[/p][/quote]Forget the smoke and mirror distraction comments and answer the question iasked you yet again Sir.....You are looking really really stupid now![/p][/quote]I refer to my response at 7:19pm[/p][/quote]You have no answer so have no credibility Sir. Please leave this post and go on one with questions not as difficult to understand. Theres a good lad! : ) Ps. You just been done like a kipper me old son! pps. AND THE OTHER TWO CLOWNS ALSO![/p][/quote]I have answered and its a full and factually correct answer, hich can be seen in my response on Wednesday 4th December at 7:19pm, but because it is not the answer YOU desire you claim that I haven't answered. Sorry to spoil your dreams but every single person is an individual with their own thoughts and opinions, and beliefs and that means that yes there will be people, myself included, with opinions opposite to your own. And to try to Order/persuade me to leave this thread just goes to show how much contempt you have for the people that have ever fought for this country's beliefs which is FREEDOM, EXPRESSION and TOLERANCE! You have just insulted ALL the current service people and those that have died in the past! Please re-read my post on Wednesday 4th December at 7:19pm to reveal what you asked. BWFC71

9:45pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Vote Labour is a vote for open door immigration - they've got previous : 3 million immigrants can't be wrong
But it was also the Conservatives that signed the Treaty that allowed the 2new" countries to join the EU!! Something that the majority of UKIP members agreed with at the time, as they were Conservative members!!! So not one Party, or members, are totally innocent of the current situation, which could have been handled far much better, and I don't mean pulling out the EU or not allowing them in
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Vote Labour is a vote for open door immigration - they've got previous : 3 million immigrants can't be wrong[/p][/quote]But it was also the Conservatives that signed the Treaty that allowed the 2new" countries to join the EU!! Something that the majority of UKIP members agreed with at the time, as they were Conservative members!!! So not one Party, or members, are totally innocent of the current situation, which could have been handled far much better, and I don't mean pulling out the EU or not allowing them in BWFC71

10:54pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Joanna11 says...

Julie is right. Money moves round the world taking jobs and opportunities with it. Why shouldn't people follow. People come to work. when they come they bring wealth. they pay taxes - more than they get in benefit back. They spend money in shops, cafes - creating work for others directly in shops and cafes, indirectly in factories which produce what they buy .
The people who are stealing our jobs are the government. There are more banker millonaires now than before the banking crisis. Its them who are stealing form the majority, not migrants.
the problme is not the Rumanians or Poles. Its the Posh boy Etonians.
Julie is right. Money moves round the world taking jobs and opportunities with it. Why shouldn't people follow. People come to work. when they come they bring wealth. they pay taxes - more than they get in benefit back. They spend money in shops, cafes - creating work for others directly in shops and cafes, indirectly in factories which produce what they buy . The people who are stealing our jobs are the government. There are more banker millonaires now than before the banking crisis. Its them who are stealing form the majority, not migrants. the problme is not the Rumanians or Poles. Its the Posh boy Etonians. Joanna11

11:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

hoboh2o says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont.
In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style.
They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk.
No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles. hoboh2o

11:13pm Wed 4 Dec 13

George X says...

hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont.
In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style.
They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk.
No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!!
[quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!! George X

11:25pm Wed 4 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont.
In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style.
They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk.
No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!!
Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!).

Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!!

Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!!
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!![/p][/quote]Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!! BWFC71

12:02am Thu 5 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Citizen Cane wrote: Vote Labour is a vote for open door immigration - they've got previous : 3 million immigrants can't be wrong
But it was also the Conservatives that signed the Treaty that allowed the 2new" countries to join the EU!! Something that the majority of UKIP members agreed with at the time, as they were Conservative members!!! So not one Party, or members, are totally innocent of the current situation, which could have been handled far much better, and I don't mean pulling out the EU or not allowing them in
smoke and mirror comments my friend, you are fooling or brain washing no one any more you stupid people .. Common sense is back your gone.. Good bye and winge to Tony for your demise! haha
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Vote Labour is a vote for open door immigration - they've got previous : 3 million immigrants can't be wrong[/p][/quote]But it was also the Conservatives that signed the Treaty that allowed the 2new" countries to join the EU!! Something that the majority of UKIP members agreed with at the time, as they were Conservative members!!! So not one Party, or members, are totally innocent of the current situation, which could have been handled far much better, and I don't mean pulling out the EU or not allowing them in[/p][/quote]smoke and mirror comments my friend, you are fooling or brain washing no one any more you stupid people .. Common sense is back your gone.. Good bye and winge to Tony for your demise! haha thomas222

12:09am Thu 5 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!!
Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!!
You know nothing about the British and thats becaucse you are not one .. you like yr two troll mates on here are finished.. Read it and weep... PS. wHY ARE YOU CONCERNED THEY DONT GET BENEFITS........ HAHAHAHAH.. yOU ARE NOW THE MINORITY WITH YR VIEWS... gOOD BYE AND I HOPE YOU DONT SUFFER SEA SICKNESS AS YR ON YR WAY OUT PAL.. nIGHTY NIGHT! fLOWER!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!![/p][/quote]Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!![/p][/quote]You know nothing about the British and thats becaucse you are not one .. you like yr two troll mates on here are finished.. Read it and weep... PS. wHY ARE YOU CONCERNED THEY DONT GET BENEFITS........ HAHAHAHAH.. yOU ARE NOW THE MINORITY WITH YR VIEWS... gOOD BYE AND I HOPE YOU DONT SUFFER SEA SICKNESS AS YR ON YR WAY OUT PAL.. nIGHTY NIGHT! fLOWER! thomas222

12:20am Thu 5 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!!
Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!!
Your bs is amusing... hahahaha
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!![/p][/quote]Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!![/p][/quote]Your bs is amusing... hahahaha thomas222

6:44am Thu 5 Dec 13

Wigan Trotter says...

Our country is not big enough to sustain the present level of immigration and I dread to to think what it will be like in another twenty years.

As for the present, why are we allowing in people from non EU and British Commonwealth countries which were colonies of other countries like Belgium, France, Germany, Holland Spain, Portugal etc.

Surely ,they should go to those countries but we all know why they come here instead.

As for the local MP defending the present level, it is hardly surprising as she knows that a great deal of those who come here and get the vote are more then likely to vote for her and her party.
Our country is not big enough to sustain the present level of immigration and I dread to to think what it will be like in another twenty years. As for the present, why are we allowing in people from non EU and British Commonwealth countries which were colonies of other countries like Belgium, France, Germany, Holland Spain, Portugal etc. Surely ,they should go to those countries but we all know why they come here instead. As for the local MP defending the present level, it is hardly surprising as she knows that a great deal of those who come here and get the vote are more then likely to vote for her and her party. Wigan Trotter

8:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

Comment777 says...

heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
If the cap fits....
[quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]If the cap fits.... Comment777

8:58am Thu 5 Dec 13

hoboh2o says...

Comment777 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
If the cap fits....
"it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months."

That do for you?
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]If the cap fits....[/p][/quote]"it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months." That do for you? hoboh2o

9:12am Thu 5 Dec 13

genesis22 says...

Political attitude towards immigration over the last 25 years has led to an influx in excess of 5 million and that is only the start of the problem, if you project the consequences from permanent settlement, especially on birth rates, with most Asian and African migrants traditionally having multiple offspring, within a decade this figure can easily quadruple, hence the immigrant population could number 15 million, nearing 25% and apart from the fact the state cannot afford the infrastructure and services to sustain such growth, the economic costs will be devastating. Project forward another decade and the exponential consequences doubles, inside 25 years the population increase jumps 50%. from circa 55 million to 80 million. In 2005 GDP was circa £220 Billion, with the welfare state taking circa £110 Billion, fast forward 8 years GDP has flat lined, welfare costs have increased 10%, its anticipated within 5 years welfare costs will grow another 15% unless curtailed. Our government has a debt mountain in excess of £2 Trillion, the state economic system resembles a house of cards on the verge of collapse, political mentality throughout the periods in question have relied on debt to keep systems and institutions afloat, it cannot continue. The fast majority of immigrants who beat a path to our shore do not come here for the weather or employment prospects, they are economic migrants who know they will receive housing, education, healthcare and financial benefits, this represents a better quality of life for them, while it represents a permanent financial burden for the country. At a moral level our political masters have committed a shocking crime - they have sold out the nation, the generations of families who created this country, our history, our culture, have been swept aside. Everything our families have worked for, paid taxes for, created, contributed towards is being handed to foreigners who deserve none of it. Democracy should represent the interests of the majority, by the people for the people, this rule no longer exists, what is mine that I have worked for is now given to strangers who contribute nothing, this is the injustice representing a bleeding sore that cannot be healed. Sadly there is no solution, eventually major civil unrest will follow as the welfare state crumbles around us, self interests will take hold, injustice will come to the fore.
Political attitude towards immigration over the last 25 years has led to an influx in excess of 5 million and that is only the start of the problem, if you project the consequences from permanent settlement, especially on birth rates, with most Asian and African migrants traditionally having multiple offspring, within a decade this figure can easily quadruple, hence the immigrant population could number 15 million, nearing 25% and apart from the fact the state cannot afford the infrastructure and services to sustain such growth, the economic costs will be devastating. Project forward another decade and the exponential consequences doubles, inside 25 years the population increase jumps 50%. from circa 55 million to 80 million. In 2005 GDP was circa £220 Billion, with the welfare state taking circa £110 Billion, fast forward 8 years GDP has flat lined, welfare costs have increased 10%, its anticipated within 5 years welfare costs will grow another 15% unless curtailed. Our government has a debt mountain in excess of £2 Trillion, the state economic system resembles a house of cards on the verge of collapse, political mentality throughout the periods in question have relied on debt to keep systems and institutions afloat, it cannot continue. The fast majority of immigrants who beat a path to our shore do not come here for the weather or employment prospects, they are economic migrants who know they will receive housing, education, healthcare and financial benefits, this represents a better quality of life for them, while it represents a permanent financial burden for the country. At a moral level our political masters have committed a shocking crime - they have sold out the nation, the generations of families who created this country, our history, our culture, have been swept aside. Everything our families have worked for, paid taxes for, created, contributed towards is being handed to foreigners who deserve none of it. Democracy should represent the interests of the majority, by the people for the people, this rule no longer exists, what is mine that I have worked for is now given to strangers who contribute nothing, this is the injustice representing a bleeding sore that cannot be healed. Sadly there is no solution, eventually major civil unrest will follow as the welfare state crumbles around us, self interests will take hold, injustice will come to the fore. genesis22

10:50am Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

hoboh2o wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
If the cap fits....
"it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months."

That do for you?
Source please, if you don't mid. As putting something in quotations doesn't necessairly mean its accurate.

Plus out of the same time period how many British born people were arrested and ultimately out of ALL people arrested what is the total percebntage of so-called Romanians!! Only saying so-called as many press and propagnada publications call Roma people as Romanians when the majority are not as Roma are all over Europe and do not come from one specific part/country!
[quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]If the cap fits....[/p][/quote]"it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months." That do for you?[/p][/quote]Source please, if you don't mid. As putting something in quotations doesn't necessairly mean its accurate. Plus out of the same time period how many British born people were arrested and ultimately out of ALL people arrested what is the total percebntage of so-called Romanians!! Only saying so-called as many press and propagnada publications call Roma people as Romanians when the majority are not as Roma are all over Europe and do not come from one specific part/country! The Righteous One

10:55am Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
Our country is not big enough to sustain the present level of immigration and I dread to to think what it will be like in another twenty years.

As for the present, why are we allowing in people from non EU and British Commonwealth countries which were colonies of other countries like Belgium, France, Germany, Holland Spain, Portugal etc.

Surely ,they should go to those countries but we all know why they come here instead.

As for the local MP defending the present level, it is hardly surprising as she knows that a great deal of those who come here and get the vote are more then likely to vote for her and her party.
You said it yourself - British colonies - yes ALL British colonies were once part of other lands such as Australia was originally called New Holland because teh Dutch discovered it before the British, the same goes for USA (hint New York was called New Amsterdam). But as they were part of the British Emopire and currently part of The Commonwealth (British Commonwealth no longer exists as the British monarchy is not automatically head of teh Commonwealth - they have to be voted in!!!) then that makes them British Subjects!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Our country is not big enough to sustain the present level of immigration and I dread to to think what it will be like in another twenty years. As for the present, why are we allowing in people from non EU and British Commonwealth countries which were colonies of other countries like Belgium, France, Germany, Holland Spain, Portugal etc. Surely ,they should go to those countries but we all know why they come here instead. As for the local MP defending the present level, it is hardly surprising as she knows that a great deal of those who come here and get the vote are more then likely to vote for her and her party.[/p][/quote]You said it yourself - British colonies - yes ALL British colonies were once part of other lands such as Australia was originally called New Holland because teh Dutch discovered it before the British, the same goes for USA (hint New York was called New Amsterdam). But as they were part of the British Emopire and currently part of The Commonwealth (British Commonwealth no longer exists as the British monarchy is not automatically head of teh Commonwealth - they have to be voted in!!!) then that makes them British Subjects!!! The Righteous One

11:02am Thu 5 Dec 13

Sexybum123 says...

Well I can tell you for a fact that if you move to Bulgaria you won't get benifits or free health care and that's a fact And to buy a property you still have to set up a company.And the old age pension is 180 lv a month.Most of the folk in the villages have never been out of them and would never leave the young ones who are better of get good education and maybe a few would leave to better themselves. The total country only has seven million pepole in it.But yes it's time we started to stop this influx because the country can't take anymore with the cuts to services and the houseing problems it is just causeing resentment we have the first non white city in Yorkshire how many more to follow the kids can't sing the nursery rhymes that have been sung for god knows how long what the hell is going on in this country political correctness gone mad
Well I can tell you for a fact that if you move to Bulgaria you won't get benifits or free health care and that's a fact And to buy a property you still have to set up a company.And the old age pension is 180 lv a month.Most of the folk in the villages have never been out of them and would never leave the young ones who are better of get good education and maybe a few would leave to better themselves. The total country only has seven million pepole in it.But yes it's time we started to stop this influx because the country can't take anymore with the cuts to services and the houseing problems it is just causeing resentment we have the first non white city in Yorkshire how many more to follow the kids can't sing the nursery rhymes that have been sung for god knows how long what the hell is going on in this country political correctness gone mad Sexybum123

11:19am Thu 5 Dec 13

hoboh2o says...

The Righteous One wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
If the cap fits....
"it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months." That do for you?
Source please, if you don't mid. As putting something in quotations doesn't necessairly mean its accurate. Plus out of the same time period how many British born people were arrested and ultimately out of ALL people arrested what is the total percebntage of so-called Romanians!! Only saying so-called as many press and propagnada publications call Roma people as Romanians when the majority are not as Roma are all over Europe and do not come from one specific part/country!
Are you totally daft?
I am sure that those in London would be more than happy if crime was reduced by 27,000 merely by not letting every man and his dog come into the country. Think of the savings to the taxpayer, the police able to respond to other incidents, de-clogging of the court system, the list goes on.
Why do folk like you bury your head in the sand and pretend there is only 'good' that comes from immigration and totally ignore the fact there is a lot of bad too?
Frankly the pro-immigration, pro-EU apologists conveniently fail to recognise that more and more people are less than willing to put up with any inconvenience your plans may cause, nor have we the stomach to keep footing the bill.
If you have Romanian documentation, I believe, it is fair to assume you are Romanian or does that not fit your agenda?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]If the cap fits....[/p][/quote]"it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months." That do for you?[/p][/quote]Source please, if you don't mid. As putting something in quotations doesn't necessairly mean its accurate. Plus out of the same time period how many British born people were arrested and ultimately out of ALL people arrested what is the total percebntage of so-called Romanians!! Only saying so-called as many press and propagnada publications call Roma people as Romanians when the majority are not as Roma are all over Europe and do not come from one specific part/country![/p][/quote]Are you totally daft? I am sure that those in London would be more than happy if crime was reduced by 27,000 merely by not letting every man and his dog come into the country. Think of the savings to the taxpayer, the police able to respond to other incidents, de-clogging of the court system, the list goes on. Why do folk like you bury your head in the sand and pretend there is only 'good' that comes from immigration and totally ignore the fact there is a lot of bad too? Frankly the pro-immigration, pro-EU apologists conveniently fail to recognise that more and more people are less than willing to put up with any inconvenience your plans may cause, nor have we the stomach to keep footing the bill. If you have Romanian documentation, I believe, it is fair to assume you are Romanian or does that not fit your agenda? hoboh2o

11:21am Thu 5 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!!
Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!!
Your bs is amusing... hahahaha
The article is about people coming here to claim benefits and not work and not people who come here to work if you read it properly so less of the smoke and mirror comments designed to deflect the question raised. Once again i ask you.. why are you concerned about the non workers who come here not getting benefits if as you say its not a problem. The other two idiots havnt yet answered btw! hahaha
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!![/p][/quote]Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!![/p][/quote]Your bs is amusing... hahahaha[/p][/quote]The article is about people coming here to claim benefits and not work and not people who come here to work if you read it properly so less of the smoke and mirror comments designed to deflect the question raised. Once again i ask you.. why are you concerned about the non workers who come here not getting benefits if as you say its not a problem. The other two idiots havnt yet answered btw! hahaha thomas222

12:45pm Thu 5 Dec 13

cliff4treasurer says...

This article was about immigration and the truth is it doesn't matter who ,when, or why does it really because as a country our infrastructure cannot cope with more people arriving than leaving anymore. We are full, end of, and until the recession really ends and we can develop more and better infrastructure our schools,hospitals,ro
ads (prisons) etc will become more overcrowded than ever.

On another note if you didn't know better you could be forgiven for thinking the righteouse one made it up as he went along?
This article was about immigration and the truth is it doesn't matter who ,when, or why does it really because as a country our infrastructure cannot cope with more people arriving than leaving anymore. We are full, end of, and until the recession really ends and we can develop more and better infrastructure our schools,hospitals,ro ads (prisons) etc will become more overcrowded than ever. On another note if you didn't know better you could be forgiven for thinking the righteouse one made it up as he went along? cliff4treasurer

2:25pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Jackael says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
This article was about immigration and the truth is it doesn't matter who ,when, or why does it really because as a country our infrastructure cannot cope with more people arriving than leaving anymore. We are full, end of, and until the recession really ends and we can develop more and better infrastructure our schools,hospitals,ro

ads (prisons) etc will become more overcrowded than ever.

On another note if you didn't know better you could be forgiven for thinking the righteouse one made it up as he went along?
I agree, but it seems some people on here would like this country to be so overcrowded that we'll be dropping into the sea, that's specifically aimed at the guy who's got half a dozen accounts on here !!!
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: This article was about immigration and the truth is it doesn't matter who ,when, or why does it really because as a country our infrastructure cannot cope with more people arriving than leaving anymore. We are full, end of, and until the recession really ends and we can develop more and better infrastructure our schools,hospitals,ro ads (prisons) etc will become more overcrowded than ever. On another note if you didn't know better you could be forgiven for thinking the righteouse one made it up as he went along?[/p][/quote]I agree, but it seems some people on here would like this country to be so overcrowded that we'll be dropping into the sea, that's specifically aimed at the guy who's got half a dozen accounts on here !!! Jackael

5:05pm Thu 5 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!!
Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!!
For the record smart arse the Netherlands are not in Eastern Europe its in western europe! Thick or what bwfc71. : )
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!![/p][/quote]Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!![/p][/quote]For the record smart arse the Netherlands are not in Eastern Europe its in western europe! Thick or what bwfc71. : ) thomas222

8:21pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bwfc58 says...

UKIP will get more votes in 2015 than they did in the last elections local and national buy a long way because the British or should i say English People have had enough at long last of the mass immigration into our once great country and yes lets all just see and also this is for you BWFC71 or again should I say MCFC71 you come on here with your comments thinking you are always right with the rubbish put down on these forums just take a long look at score counts people vote with there thumps down on your comments that means no one likes you so if i was you I would not come on and write anymore comments for one I myself and about 95% of the Bolton public say Bolton Lancashire because that is where we live you say( Bolton) Greater Manchester because that is where you live I was reading about the mayor of Bolton and his wife showing them both Calibrating Lancashire day on the 27th of November and saying Bolton is still part of Lancashire of which made me smile but I bet you did not smile so once again no one likes you posting your stupid and rubbish comments so could i suggest you go onto the Manchester evening news forums and write comments on there as you would be more welcome or may be not .
UKIP will get more votes in 2015 than they did in the last elections local and national buy a long way because the British or should i say English People have had enough at long last of the mass immigration into our once great country and yes lets all just see and also this is for you BWFC71 or again should I say MCFC71 you come on here with your comments thinking you are always right with the rubbish put down on these forums just take a long look at score counts people vote with there thumps down on your comments that means no one likes you so if i was you I would not come on and write anymore comments for one I myself and about 95% of the Bolton public say Bolton Lancashire because that is where we live you say( Bolton) Greater Manchester because that is where you live I was reading about the mayor of Bolton and his wife showing them both Calibrating Lancashire day on the 27th of November and saying Bolton is still part of Lancashire of which made me smile but I bet you did not smile so once again no one likes you posting your stupid and rubbish comments so could i suggest you go onto the Manchester evening news forums and write comments on there as you would be more welcome or may be not . bwfc58

9:56pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

bwfc58 wrote:
UKIP will get more votes in 2015 than they did in the last elections local and national buy a long way because the British or should i say English People have had enough at long last of the mass immigration into our once great country and yes lets all just see and also this is for you BWFC71 or again should I say MCFC71 you come on here with your comments thinking you are always right with the rubbish put down on these forums just take a long look at score counts people vote with there thumps down on your comments that means no one likes you so if i was you I would not come on and write anymore comments for one I myself and about 95% of the Bolton public say Bolton Lancashire because that is where we live you say( Bolton) Greater Manchester because that is where you live I was reading about the mayor of Bolton and his wife showing them both Calibrating Lancashire day on the 27th of November and saying Bolton is still part of Lancashire of which made me smile but I bet you did not smile so once again no one likes you posting your stupid and rubbish comments so could i suggest you go onto the Manchester evening news forums and write comments on there as you would be more welcome or may be not .
If you take notice of the thumbs then you are pathetic. Basically the majority of posters on here are have the same viewpoint but in the outside world the viewpoint is reversed, and that is a FACT! (Source BBC and The Daily Telegraph survey of British attitude on immigration in Boston, UK) Look at all thee programmes Farage appears on and how he is now shouted down because of the laws they have stated, in the recent by-elections which they have lost by massive margins - FACT! (BBC Question time, Sky Adam Boulton Show, BBC Sunday Politics, NBC Squawkbox, BBC The Revolution Will Be Televised)

People are realising that immigration is NOT the problem for this great country of ours as it has happened for centuries - in fact many of our conquerers were actually immigrants! The problem is in integrating into British society. There is a massive difference between the two and if you read people's opinion (yes people in the outside world) then it is the integration problem and NOT immigration!

I was out celebrating Lancashire Day, as I was born in Bolton, Lancashire (and not Farnworth, Lancashire) - in fact I was drinking a fine decent pint of Bank Top's Flat Cap! BTW what does Calbriating mean?

No one likes my comments? By your standards of using the thumbs, at the beginning of the day on one post I had -15 thumbs, but looked at it less than an hour ago and it was +7 - so that means 15 people (same people, which also probably includes you) didn't like my post - no matter what I wrote (which is daft!!!!) but it means that 22 people went against those 15 and actually agree with me - post on the report about the trains! So go figure that one, if you can!!!!

What you and some other do not like is the fact that I question the statistics you say and ask for sources which you do not even provide when asked, so how can it be verified and actually be known to be a true fact. For all I, and other know, it could have been made up to suit arguments.

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[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: UKIP will get more votes in 2015 than they did in the last elections local and national buy a long way because the British or should i say English People have had enough at long last of the mass immigration into our once great country and yes lets all just see and also this is for you BWFC71 or again should I say MCFC71 you come on here with your comments thinking you are always right with the rubbish put down on these forums just take a long look at score counts people vote with there thumps down on your comments that means no one likes you so if i was you I would not come on and write anymore comments for one I myself and about 95% of the Bolton public say Bolton Lancashire because that is where we live you say( Bolton) Greater Manchester because that is where you live I was reading about the mayor of Bolton and his wife showing them both Calibrating Lancashire day on the 27th of November and saying Bolton is still part of Lancashire of which made me smile but I bet you did not smile so once again no one likes you posting your stupid and rubbish comments so could i suggest you go onto the Manchester evening news forums and write comments on there as you would be more welcome or may be not .[/p][/quote]If you take notice of the thumbs then you are pathetic. Basically the majority of posters on here are have the same viewpoint but in the outside world the viewpoint is reversed, and that is a FACT! (Source BBC and The Daily Telegraph survey of British attitude on immigration in Boston, UK) Look at all thee programmes Farage appears on and how he is now shouted down because of the laws they have stated, in the recent by-elections which they have lost by massive margins - FACT! (BBC Question time, Sky Adam Boulton Show, BBC Sunday Politics, NBC Squawkbox, BBC The Revolution Will Be Televised) People are realising that immigration is NOT the problem for this great country of ours as it has happened for centuries - in fact many of our conquerers were actually immigrants! The problem is in integrating into British society. There is a massive difference between the two and if you read people's opinion (yes people in the outside world) then it is the integration problem and NOT immigration! I was out celebrating Lancashire Day, as I was born in Bolton, Lancashire (and not Farnworth, Lancashire) - in fact I was drinking a fine decent pint of Bank Top's Flat Cap! BTW what does Calbriating mean? No one likes my comments? By your standards of using the thumbs, at the beginning of the day on one post I had -15 thumbs, but looked at it less than an hour ago and it was +7 - so that means 15 people (same people, which also probably includes you) didn't like my post - no matter what I wrote (which is daft!!!!) but it means that 22 people went against those 15 and actually agree with me - post on the report about the trains! So go figure that one, if you can!!!! What you and some other do not like is the fact that I question the statistics you say and ask for sources which you do not even provide when asked, so how can it be verified and actually be known to be a true fact. For all I, and other know, it could have been made up to suit arguments. BWFC71 For the common persons point of view Bolton News Bolton, Greater Manchester United Kingdom Europe Earth The Milky Way The Universe BWFC71

10:54pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!!
Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!!
For the record smart arse the Netherlands are not in Eastern Europe its in western europe! Thick or what bwfc71. : )
Where did I say that The Netherlands was in Eastern Europe?

You call me a smart arse, and yet it is not me that cannot read!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!![/p][/quote]Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!![/p][/quote]For the record smart arse the Netherlands are not in Eastern Europe its in western europe! Thick or what bwfc71. : )[/p][/quote]Where did I say that The Netherlands was in Eastern Europe? You call me a smart arse, and yet it is not me that cannot read!!! BWFC71

10:58pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .
Totally agree - who is it going to be next........
No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.
Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!!
Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!!
Your bs is amusing... hahahaha
The article is about people coming here to claim benefits and not work and not people who come here to work if you read it properly so less of the smoke and mirror comments designed to deflect the question raised. Once again i ask you.. why are you concerned about the non workers who come here not getting benefits if as you say its not a problem. The other two idiots havnt yet answered btw! hahaha
I refer to my response on Wednesday 4th December at 7:19pm

Can you not read or can you not be bothered to read the response. I keep referring to my response but you keep repeating the question!

You can use the Jeremy Paxman style of questioning but how can I answer any more when I gave a full, frank and factually correct response already!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: We have had myths and misconceptions about the Flemish, Irish, Scottish, Ukranians, West Indians, Asians, Polish and now its Romanians/Bulgarians .[/p][/quote]Totally agree - who is it going to be next........[/p][/quote]No we dont. In Romania and Bulgaria they treat the Roma with total utter contempt because of their life style. They are more than happy along with a few more of the ex Soviet contries to displace these and let them become 'our' problem whilst taking cash hand outs from the EU to build their countries for their 'good' folk. No country in its right mind wants to lose skilled workers overseas, there will not be many of those heading over here thus giving lie to the myth spouted by Europhiles.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the people who are pro immigration obviously dont have to live near these people and until they do should keep their comments to themselves !!![/p][/quote]Like I say I have lived with Eastern European - 3 couples (yes that makes 6 if you cannot count), along with a Landlord and his brother, who were originally from Kenya, in a large semi-detached house in The Netherlands. Therefore I have the experience of both and know for a doubt that there are far too many misconceptions with regards to migrant workers. They all worked hard both at work and in the case of my landlord and his brother also studied hard as well. In fact my landlord had 3 jobs (call centre, radio DJ and a speaker as well as being a landlord and a student!!!). Even now, in the general office of where I work there are expats from various Eastern European countries who work hard, get paid well and are in line for certain promotion!!! And in the street where I live are also migrant workers who are fantastic neighbours, hard workers and have their own business - and yes they do pay UK taxation!!! Therefore I will speak up for migrant workers as I do know what I am talking about!!![/p][/quote]Your bs is amusing... hahahaha[/p][/quote]The article is about people coming here to claim benefits and not work and not people who come here to work if you read it properly so less of the smoke and mirror comments designed to deflect the question raised. Once again i ask you.. why are you concerned about the non workers who come here not getting benefits if as you say its not a problem. The other two idiots havnt yet answered btw! hahaha[/p][/quote]I refer to my response on Wednesday 4th December at 7:19pm Can you not read or can you not be bothered to read the response. I keep referring to my response but you keep repeating the question! You can use the Jeremy Paxman style of questioning but how can I answer any more when I gave a full, frank and factually correct response already! BWFC71

11:02pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

hoboh2o wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
heaton watcher wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.
Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?!
If the cap fits....
"it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months." That do for you?
Source please, if you don't mid. As putting something in quotations doesn't necessairly mean its accurate. Plus out of the same time period how many British born people were arrested and ultimately out of ALL people arrested what is the total percebntage of so-called Romanians!! Only saying so-called as many press and propagnada publications call Roma people as Romanians when the majority are not as Roma are all over Europe and do not come from one specific part/country!
Are you totally daft?
I am sure that those in London would be more than happy if crime was reduced by 27,000 merely by not letting every man and his dog come into the country. Think of the savings to the taxpayer, the police able to respond to other incidents, de-clogging of the court system, the list goes on.
Why do folk like you bury your head in the sand and pretend there is only 'good' that comes from immigration and totally ignore the fact there is a lot of bad too?
Frankly the pro-immigration, pro-EU apologists conveniently fail to recognise that more and more people are less than willing to put up with any inconvenience your plans may cause, nor have we the stomach to keep footing the bill.
If you have Romanian documentation, I believe, it is fair to assume you are Romanian or does that not fit your agenda?
Not daft but want answers and sources to the claims that you have made and want to put it into perspective of the total amount of crime that is undertaken not only in the Capital but also in the rest of the country! And how the breakdown of figures of which nationality has done the most crimes - instead of just featuring on small percentage!

Is that too much to ask?

That way a clean full picture can be seen and then we can all see which nationality we should actually be more alert about rather than creating a fear where they may not actually be a fear!
[quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heaton watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Nope many come here to commit crime AS WELL as claim benefits.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous and racist too. My ancestors were immigrants to this country so are you saying that I am a criminal?![/p][/quote]If the cap fits....[/p][/quote]"it was revealed in February of this year that an incredible 27,725 Romanians, out of the 87,000 that have come to Britain in the past five years, have been arrested by the Metropolitan police in London (one in three). The staggering figure, gained through a freedom of information request, has raised fears over the criminal consequences of the unquantified influx of Romanians and Bulgarians, when full jobs and benefits access is granted to them in seven months." That do for you?[/p][/quote]Source please, if you don't mid. As putting something in quotations doesn't necessairly mean its accurate. Plus out of the same time period how many British born people were arrested and ultimately out of ALL people arrested what is the total percebntage of so-called Romanians!! Only saying so-called as many press and propagnada publications call Roma people as Romanians when the majority are not as Roma are all over Europe and do not come from one specific part/country![/p][/quote]Are you totally daft? I am sure that those in London would be more than happy if crime was reduced by 27,000 merely by not letting every man and his dog come into the country. Think of the savings to the taxpayer, the police able to respond to other incidents, de-clogging of the court system, the list goes on. Why do folk like you bury your head in the sand and pretend there is only 'good' that comes from immigration and totally ignore the fact there is a lot of bad too? Frankly the pro-immigration, pro-EU apologists conveniently fail to recognise that more and more people are less than willing to put up with any inconvenience your plans may cause, nor have we the stomach to keep footing the bill. If you have Romanian documentation, I believe, it is fair to assume you are Romanian or does that not fit your agenda?[/p][/quote]Not daft but want answers and sources to the claims that you have made and want to put it into perspective of the total amount of crime that is undertaken not only in the Capital but also in the rest of the country! And how the breakdown of figures of which nationality has done the most crimes - instead of just featuring on small percentage! Is that too much to ask? That way a clean full picture can be seen and then we can all see which nationality we should actually be more alert about rather than creating a fear where they may not actually be a fear! BWFC71

11:12pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Sexybum123 wrote:
Well I can tell you for a fact that if you move to Bulgaria you won't get benifits or free health care and that's a fact And to buy a property you still have to set up a company.And the old age pension is 180 lv a month.Most of the folk in the villages have never been out of them and would never leave the young ones who are better of get good education and maybe a few would leave to better themselves. The total country only has seven million pepole in it.But yes it's time we started to stop this influx because the country can't take anymore with the cuts to services and the houseing problems it is just causeing resentment we have the first non white city in Yorkshire how many more to follow the kids can't sing the nursery rhymes that have been sung for god knows how long what the hell is going on in this country political correctness gone mad
Can you tell me, for a fact, that it is a true fact that you have given.

Can you please give your source so that I may review it. Not that I don't believe you but I like having ALL information before actually changing my viewpoint!!

Just saying it without a source just make me think that you are making it up!

One of the conditions of the EU is that you get the same benefits as the citizens of that country (who live there) and also as one of the conditions of joining the EU the basic benefits have to be made available such as unemployment and housing - if applicable.. Also as part of the EU then Health Insurance IS free when carrying an EIHC. - just need to look them up - with regards to the EU conditions please view - http://europa.eu/

The European Health Insurance Card (Replaces E111) - taken from thee same website http://europa.eu

The European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) allows you to access state-provided healthcare in all European Economic Area (EEA) countries and Switzerland free of charge.

E111 forms have been invalid since January 2006. Holders of E111 forms should apply immediately for the EHIC to maintain the level of cover provided by the scheme.

Everyone who is a resident in the UK should have the European Health Insurance Card and carry it with them when they travel abroad. Please remember to check your card is still valid before you travel. Applying for the card directly from the NHS is free and it is valid for up to five years.

All of the countries within the EEA (European Economic Area) recognise the EHIC, and reciprocal health care arrangements exist in a number of other countries including Switzerland.

It is important that you carry your EHIC with you at all times during your holiday. In most hospitals and general practices, the medical staff will ask you to present the card prior to being treated.
[quote][p][bold]Sexybum123[/bold] wrote: Well I can tell you for a fact that if you move to Bulgaria you won't get benifits or free health care and that's a fact And to buy a property you still have to set up a company.And the old age pension is 180 lv a month.Most of the folk in the villages have never been out of them and would never leave the young ones who are better of get good education and maybe a few would leave to better themselves. The total country only has seven million pepole in it.But yes it's time we started to stop this influx because the country can't take anymore with the cuts to services and the houseing problems it is just causeing resentment we have the first non white city in Yorkshire how many more to follow the kids can't sing the nursery rhymes that have been sung for god knows how long what the hell is going on in this country political correctness gone mad[/p][/quote]Can you tell me, for a fact, that it is a true fact that you have given. Can you please give your source so that I may review it. Not that I don't believe you but I like having ALL information before actually changing my viewpoint!! Just saying it without a source just make me think that you are making it up! One of the conditions of the EU is that you get the same benefits as the citizens of that country (who live there) and also as one of the conditions of joining the EU the basic benefits have to be made available such as unemployment and housing - if applicable.. Also as part of the EU then Health Insurance IS free when carrying an EIHC. - just need to look them up - with regards to the EU conditions please view - http://europa.eu/ The European Health Insurance Card (Replaces E111) - taken from thee same website http://europa.eu The European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) allows you to access state-provided healthcare in all European Economic Area (EEA) countries and Switzerland free of charge. E111 forms have been invalid since January 2006. Holders of E111 forms should apply immediately for the EHIC to maintain the level of cover provided by the scheme. Everyone who is a resident in the UK should have the European Health Insurance Card and carry it with them when they travel abroad. Please remember to check your card is still valid before you travel. Applying for the card directly from the NHS is free and it is valid for up to five years. All of the countries within the EEA (European Economic Area) recognise the EHIC, and reciprocal health care arrangements exist in a number of other countries including Switzerland. It is important that you carry your EHIC with you at all times during your holiday. In most hospitals and general practices, the medical staff will ask you to present the card prior to being treated. BWFC71

8:10am Fri 6 Dec 13

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Sexybum123 wrote:
Well I can tell you for a fact that if you move to Bulgaria you won't get benifits or free health care and that's a fact And to buy a property you still have to set up a company.And the old age pension is 180 lv a month.Most of the folk in the villages have never been out of them and would never leave the young ones who are better of get good education and maybe a few would leave to better themselves. The total country only has seven million pepole in it.But yes it's time we started to stop this influx because the country can't take anymore with the cuts to services and the houseing problems it is just causeing resentment we have the first non white city in Yorkshire how many more to follow the kids can't sing the nursery rhymes that have been sung for god knows how long what the hell is going on in this country political correctness gone mad
Can you tell me, for a fact, that it is a true fact that you have given.

Can you please give your source so that I may review it. Not that I don't believe you but I like having ALL information before actually changing my viewpoint!!

Just saying it without a source just make me think that you are making it up!

One of the conditions of the EU is that you get the same benefits as the citizens of that country (who live there) and also as one of the conditions of joining the EU the basic benefits have to be made available such as unemployment and housing - if applicable.. Also as part of the EU then Health Insurance IS free when carrying an EIHC. - just need to look them up - with regards to the EU conditions please view - http://europa.eu/

The European Health Insurance Card (Replaces E111) - taken from thee same website http://europa.eu

The European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) allows you to access state-provided healthcare in all European Economic Area (EEA) countries and Switzerland free of charge.

E111 forms have been invalid since January 2006. Holders of E111 forms should apply immediately for the EHIC to maintain the level of cover provided by the scheme.

Everyone who is a resident in the UK should have the European Health Insurance Card and carry it with them when they travel abroad. Please remember to check your card is still valid before you travel. Applying for the card directly from the NHS is free and it is valid for up to five years.

All of the countries within the EEA (European Economic Area) recognise the EHIC, and reciprocal health care arrangements exist in a number of other countries including Switzerland.

It is important that you carry your EHIC with you at all times during your holiday. In most hospitals and general practices, the medical staff will ask you to present the card prior to being treated.
You say "How can a person report someone else to their employers for something that is done on a website where pseudonyms are used"
I've read posts of yours threatening to report people to the police ! it's no wonder nobody takes you seriously on here, i think your'e just TROLLING !!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sexybum123[/bold] wrote: Well I can tell you for a fact that if you move to Bulgaria you won't get benifits or free health care and that's a fact And to buy a property you still have to set up a company.And the old age pension is 180 lv a month.Most of the folk in the villages have never been out of them and would never leave the young ones who are better of get good education and maybe a few would leave to better themselves. The total country only has seven million pepole in it.But yes it's time we started to stop this influx because the country can't take anymore with the cuts to services and the houseing problems it is just causeing resentment we have the first non white city in Yorkshire how many more to follow the kids can't sing the nursery rhymes that have been sung for god knows how long what the hell is going on in this country political correctness gone mad[/p][/quote]Can you tell me, for a fact, that it is a true fact that you have given. Can you please give your source so that I may review it. Not that I don't believe you but I like having ALL information before actually changing my viewpoint!! Just saying it without a source just make me think that you are making it up! One of the conditions of the EU is that you get the same benefits as the citizens of that country (who live there) and also as one of the conditions of joining the EU the basic benefits have to be made available such as unemployment and housing - if applicable.. Also as part of the EU then Health Insurance IS free when carrying an EIHC. - just need to look them up - with regards to the EU conditions please view - http://europa.eu/ The European Health Insurance Card (Replaces E111) - taken from thee same website http://europa.eu The European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) allows you to access state-provided healthcare in all European Economic Area (EEA) countries and Switzerland free of charge. E111 forms have been invalid since January 2006. Holders of E111 forms should apply immediately for the EHIC to maintain the level of cover provided by the scheme. Everyone who is a resident in the UK should have the European Health Insurance Card and carry it with them when they travel abroad. Please remember to check your card is still valid before you travel. Applying for the card directly from the NHS is free and it is valid for up to five years. All of the countries within the EEA (European Economic Area) recognise the EHIC, and reciprocal health care arrangements exist in a number of other countries including Switzerland. It is important that you carry your EHIC with you at all times during your holiday. In most hospitals and general practices, the medical staff will ask you to present the card prior to being treated.[/p][/quote]You say "How can a person report someone else to their employers for something that is done on a website where pseudonyms are used" I've read posts of yours threatening to report people to the police ! it's no wonder nobody takes you seriously on here, i think your'e just TROLLING !! George X

8:31am Fri 6 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

If that was true then you would have copy the links here to let other posters see and embarrase me even more!!!

considering you haven't then that must mean one thing.......
If that was true then you would have copy the links here to let other posters see and embarrase me even more!!! considering you haven't then that must mean one thing....... The Righteous One

8:49am Fri 6 Dec 13

George X says...

The Righteous One wrote:
If that was true then you would have copy the links here to let other posters see and embarrase me even more!!!

considering you haven't then that must mean one thing.......
It is true.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: If that was true then you would have copy the links here to let other posters see and embarrase me even more!!! considering you haven't then that must mean one thing.......[/p][/quote]It is true. George X

11:29am Fri 6 Dec 13

Kenipetwoman says...

BWFC71 is a D1Ck
BWFC71 is a D1Ck Kenipetwoman

11:39am Fri 6 Dec 13

Sexybum123 says...

Yes bwfc71 it is true and that is why they still have the lv because they have so many years before they are fully integrated into the E U I have been there a few times and I have a few friends who have property there and a few who live there full time
Yes bwfc71 it is true and that is why they still have the lv because they have so many years before they are fully integrated into the E U I have been there a few times and I have a few friends who have property there and a few who live there full time Sexybum123

2:17pm Fri 6 Dec 13

rnmmasters says...

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http://www.mancheste reveningnews.co.uk/n ews/greater-manchest er-news/manchester-i phone-thief-trapped- waitress-6379620 rnmmasters

4:31pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Sickandtiredoffit says...

having just returned from Bolton i witnessed a whole family of either Roma or Bulgarian being chased (i use this description lightly) out of Marks and Spencer by the police and security 6 in total the lightest being 25 stone they could hardly walk because of the weight it took time and effort just to smoke aged between 18 to 45

so who is paying
having just returned from Bolton i witnessed a whole family of either Roma or Bulgarian being chased (i use this description lightly) out of Marks and Spencer by the police and security 6 in total the lightest being 25 stone they could hardly walk because of the weight it took time and effort just to smoke aged between 18 to 45 so who is paying Sickandtiredoffit

4:47pm Fri 6 Dec 13

George X says...

Sickandtiredoffit wrote:
having just returned from Bolton i witnessed a whole family of either Roma or Bulgarian being chased (i use this description lightly) out of Marks and Spencer by the police and security 6 in total the lightest being 25 stone they could hardly walk because of the weight it took time and effort just to smoke aged between 18 to 45

so who is paying
Apparently they're good for the economy !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Sickandtiredoffit[/bold] wrote: having just returned from Bolton i witnessed a whole family of either Roma or Bulgarian being chased (i use this description lightly) out of Marks and Spencer by the police and security 6 in total the lightest being 25 stone they could hardly walk because of the weight it took time and effort just to smoke aged between 18 to 45 so who is paying[/p][/quote]Apparently they're good for the economy !!!! George X

4:56pm Fri 6 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Sickandtiredoffit wrote:
having just returned from Bolton i witnessed a whole family of either Roma or Bulgarian being chased (i use this description lightly) out of Marks and Spencer by the police and security 6 in total the lightest being 25 stone they could hardly walk because of the weight it took time and effort just to smoke aged between 18 to 45

so who is paying
They weren't Roma, Romanian or Bulgarian (remember Roma's are NOY Romanian as Roma are ll over urope and not just from one country!)

If they are that heavy then they have to be English as have you ever seen an overweight "Eastern European"?
[quote][p][bold]Sickandtiredoffit[/bold] wrote: having just returned from Bolton i witnessed a whole family of either Roma or Bulgarian being chased (i use this description lightly) out of Marks and Spencer by the police and security 6 in total the lightest being 25 stone they could hardly walk because of the weight it took time and effort just to smoke aged between 18 to 45 so who is paying[/p][/quote]They weren't Roma, Romanian or Bulgarian (remember Roma's are NOY Romanian as Roma are ll over urope and not just from one country!) If they are that heavy then they have to be English as have you ever seen an overweight "Eastern European"? The Righteous One

6:27am Sat 7 Dec 13

Wigan Trotter says...

Even a Eurocrat from another country has said that the benefit system in the UK is too lucrative and the main reason for immigrants to come to the UK rather than other European States.

Than of course, there is the free health service.

p.s. And who do you think is responsible for the present baby boom when about a decade ago the rate was going down.
Even a Eurocrat from another country has said that the benefit system in the UK is too lucrative and the main reason for immigrants to come to the UK rather than other European States. Than of course, there is the free health service. p.s. And who do you think is responsible for the present baby boom when about a decade ago the rate was going down. Wigan Trotter

3:56pm Sat 7 Dec 13

getajob123 says...

wow

the above comments read like the minutes from a village idiot meeting
wow the above comments read like the minutes from a village idiot meeting getajob123

5:20pm Sat 7 Dec 13

George X says...

getajob123 wrote:
wow

the above comments read like the minutes from a village idiot meeting
That's big of you ! by the way did you skip English at school ?
Google punctuation !!
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: wow the above comments read like the minutes from a village idiot meeting[/p][/quote]That's big of you ! by the way did you skip English at school ? Google punctuation !! George X

1:19pm Mon 9 Dec 13

jonnie99 says...

oh julie hilling my respect for you has just dropped to zero ask yourself why these immigrants dont settle in other countries,dont know then let me enlighten you money for nothing 1 free housing 2 and free public transport of which if you are an english person you do not get and there are probably plenty of other benefits they get that we dont know about so you should hang your head in shame jonnie_99
oh julie hilling my respect for you has just dropped to zero ask yourself why these immigrants dont settle in other countries,dont know then let me enlighten you money for nothing 1 free housing 2 and free public transport of which if you are an english person you do not get and there are probably plenty of other benefits they get that we dont know about so you should hang your head in shame jonnie_99 jonnie99

6:52pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Reebok Rhythm says...

byrom57 wrote:
we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help
Best comment on here, totally agree. This isn't about xenophobia (albeit I think we live in a xenophobic world) it's about perspective. For every hard working, law-abiding immigrant there are more unscrupulous scroungers and this plight certainly does not help within the economic down town. The political merry-go-round continues and politicians squirrel away their money, investments and new 11% rise and retire to their secluded dwellings in affluent, leafy suburbs, and are replaced by carbon copy drones.
[quote][p][bold]byrom57[/bold] wrote: we need to get some perspective here, in the first 6 months of this year nearly half a million people migrated to Britain ( national statistics), despite what anyone thinks this is a small island, there are more people live in London than the whole of Sweden and Sweden is 3 times bigger in land area than Britain, whether they work or not we cannot kepp taking in anyone at the rate of a million a year, we dont have the infastructure of roads, housing, healthcare, schools etc and stupid comments by politicians playing to the gallery really dont help[/p][/quote]Best comment on here, totally agree. This isn't about xenophobia (albeit I think we live in a xenophobic world) it's about perspective. For every hard working, law-abiding immigrant there are more unscrupulous scroungers and this plight certainly does not help within the economic down town. The political merry-go-round continues and politicians squirrel away their money, investments and new 11% rise and retire to their secluded dwellings in affluent, leafy suburbs, and are replaced by carbon copy drones. Reebok Rhythm

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