Fury as rail bosses slash number of trains and carriages serving Bolton

The Bolton News: A packed platform at Bolton’s Trinity Street station as passengers queue to get on a train A packed platform at Bolton’s Trinity Street station as passengers queue to get on a train

COMMUTERS will face travel chaos from next week when the number of trains and carriages calling at Bolton is reduced.

First TransPennine Express has announced that from Sunday there will be one less train to and from Manchester every hour.

And another busy commuter train will have its carriages reduced from six to just three.

The news has brought an angry reaction from commuters.

Bosses at FTPE admit the changes will be “difficult” and are calling on people to change their travel habits to ease pressure.

The Manchester to Scotland services will go through Wigan instead of Bolton — meaning the loss of one train coming through Bolton each hour.

The popular commuter train that stops at Bolton at 8.08am en-route to Manchester will be maintained — but FPTE chiefs claim they have been forced to halve the number of carriages.

This service, which previously stopped at Manchester Piccadilly before terminating at Manchester Airport, will now only go as far as Manchester Oxford Road station.

When returning from Manchester, the busy 5.15pm from Manchester Piccadilly to Bolton will remain, but there will be no 6:16pm service.

This will instead be re-routed through Wigan.

FTPE chiefs have made the changes so they can take advantage of the newly electrified line between Manchester and the West Coast Mainline — improvements Bolton commuters will have to wait until 2016 to enjoy.

Northern Rail services will not be changing but could be more crowded because of FTPE’s reduced services.

The company has said it will be encouraging commuters travelling from Preston to Manchester to avoid the Bolton-bound morning service and instead use the new faster train to Manchester, which runs via Wigan.

It is hoped this will free up space for people getting on the reduced train at Bolton.

Bosses are also asking people travelling from Wigan to use the new electric service instead of travelling on services through Bolton.

Programme director for FTPE, Chris Nutton, said: “We are encouraging people to change their travel habits and hope that passengers at Preston will choose the new, faster service to Manchester and in doing so, free up space for those getting on the commuter train at Bolton.

“But we recognise that trains through Bolton are already extremely busy and until electrification happens here it will remain difficult.

“Electrification is the right decision and will see faster journeys and bigger capacities felt at Bolton but it is a long-term solution.

“It is unfortunate that we have to prioritise but this is because of the success of rail travel — we have doubled our number of passengers in the past nine years.”


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A spokesman for Network Rail, who is carrying out the £400 million pound electrification of railways in the North West, added that the electrification of the Manchester to Preston line, which includes Bolton, is expected to be completed by December, 2016.

He said: “We had to look at the different structures and figure out how to be the least disruptive — that’s how we came to the decision of doing the work in phases.

“When it comes to Bolton it is not just what’s on the tracks, there are challenges in the form of the bridges, which need rebuilding, and there’s the Farnworth tunnel, which is a challenge.

“Once electrification is delivered the people of Bolton will experience faster trains, with more capacity and a more reliable infrastructure.”

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6:18am Thu 5 Dec 13

limey redneck says...

SEEMS TO ME , ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT HAS PRIVATISED, PRICES HAVE GONE UP, SERVICE & RELIABILITY HAVE GONE DOWN.
SEEMS TO ME , ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT HAS PRIVATISED, PRICES HAVE GONE UP, SERVICE & RELIABILITY HAVE GONE DOWN. limey redneck

6:30am Thu 5 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

looks like the decision is based on what is easier for the operators, and disregards the needs of the commuters entirely. If everyone took to the roads instead of using the trains for just one day (well those that can anyway) there would be absolute chaos.
looks like the decision is based on what is easier for the operators, and disregards the needs of the commuters entirely. If everyone took to the roads instead of using the trains for just one day (well those that can anyway) there would be absolute chaos. oftbewildered2

6:57am Thu 5 Dec 13

Rememberscarborough says...

Totally baffled by this decision. If the demand is there (and it is) all they're doing is telling Bolton commuters that they don't want our business. Time to abandon the rail network and find another alternative.

If it puts more cars on the road then the government will just have to accept that this will probably cause a large number of lost votes and most likely any chance of a marginal seat in Bolton.
Totally baffled by this decision. If the demand is there (and it is) all they're doing is telling Bolton commuters that they don't want our business. Time to abandon the rail network and find another alternative. If it puts more cars on the road then the government will just have to accept that this will probably cause a large number of lost votes and most likely any chance of a marginal seat in Bolton. Rememberscarborough

7:12am Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Monday evening:
What a pathetic excuse of a company, Northern Rail is!!!! Its parent companies should know what the management of this company are actually doing which is sweet FA!!!! I checked the website just after 5pm this evening about the 1720 service from Victoria to Blackpool - nothing wrong and then again at Salford Central and again nothing wrong - even after buying my weekly ticket there was still nothing wrong - what happens the Southport train is 4 coaches, the Kirkby train is 4 coaches and the Blackpool train (the busiest service of the whole network according to yourselves) is only 2 coaches, when it is normally 4 coaches) and NO ONE could get on the train at Salford Central! If I had known I could have made other arrangements to get back to Bolton. (even the Blackburn train couldn't cope with the amount of passengers wanting to get home to Bolton and had to leave passengers behind). Now if this is what we are going to expect from next Monday, they had better tell me now as I will start driving in, although it will take an hour longer, but at least I will be in the know that I will be able to get home at the time I want and in comfort!!!! Kirkby doesn't need 4 coaches as it never gets full, so why weren't the units swapped?? It is not brain science it is common sense but Northern Rail doesn't operate with common sense. In fact the company doesn't give two hoots about customers at all, they are just bothered about profits and keeping their parent companies (serco and Nederlandse Spoorwegen) happy with making them more money at the expense of their customers safety and comfort!!! So do not give me the excuse of shortage of trains or failed units or overcrowding is common - I know I catch the train everyday and have done for years. This tonight was their stupidity on their part and the DfT are going to be told everyday when things go wrong and their lack of expertise of controlling rolling stock and using it effectively!!!!

Wednesday:
The 7:59 Bolton to Victoria was only 2 coaches instead of 3 - didn't even try to catch it as normally when it is 2 coaches people are crammed in worse than sardines and it still has 3 more stations to call at before Salford Crescent (being Mosees Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley)

Everyday:
7:59 NEVER leaves Bolton on time, even according to the ne timetable it says 7:59 departure time. Why can't they time it accordingly so that it is never late - not hard to do as it is normally only leaves 5 minutes later that the stated time - so why not say so in its timetable!!!

Lack of carriages in NOTHING new and it happens every day whilst on thee east side of the Pennines (still Northern Rail) hey do not have the problem as bad as us because they operate 5 coach trains round Leeds and Sheffield!!!

The re-routing of the Scotland trains will free up 10 unites - so why not create a Bolton shuttle - Horwich Parkway to Manchester Oxford Road - there is capacity considering TPE have 1 less train an hour from now on, so that is NO EXCUSE!!!
Monday evening: What a pathetic excuse of a company, Northern Rail is!!!! Its parent companies should know what the management of this company are actually doing which is sweet FA!!!! I checked the website just after 5pm this evening about the 1720 service from Victoria to Blackpool - nothing wrong and then again at Salford Central and again nothing wrong - even after buying my weekly ticket there was still nothing wrong - what happens the Southport train is 4 coaches, the Kirkby train is 4 coaches and the Blackpool train (the busiest service of the whole network according to yourselves) is only 2 coaches, when it is normally 4 coaches) and NO ONE could get on the train at Salford Central! If I had known I could have made other arrangements to get back to Bolton. (even the Blackburn train couldn't cope with the amount of passengers wanting to get home to Bolton and had to leave passengers behind). Now if this is what we are going to expect from next Monday, they had better tell me now as I will start driving in, although it will take an hour longer, but at least I will be in the know that I will be able to get home at the time I want and in comfort!!!! Kirkby doesn't need 4 coaches as it never gets full, so why weren't the units swapped?? It is not brain science it is common sense but Northern Rail doesn't operate with common sense. In fact the company doesn't give two hoots about customers at all, they are just bothered about profits and keeping their parent companies (serco and Nederlandse Spoorwegen) happy with making them more money at the expense of their customers safety and comfort!!! So do not give me the excuse of shortage of trains or failed units or overcrowding is common - I know I catch the train everyday and have done for years. This tonight was their stupidity on their part and the DfT are going to be told everyday when things go wrong and their lack of expertise of controlling rolling stock and using it effectively!!!! Wednesday: The 7:59 Bolton to Victoria was only 2 coaches instead of 3 - didn't even try to catch it as normally when it is 2 coaches people are crammed in worse than sardines and it still has 3 more stations to call at before Salford Crescent (being Mosees Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley) Everyday: 7:59 NEVER leaves Bolton on time, even according to the ne timetable it says 7:59 departure time. Why can't they time it accordingly so that it is never late - not hard to do as it is normally only leaves 5 minutes later that the stated time - so why not say so in its timetable!!! Lack of carriages in NOTHING new and it happens every day whilst on thee east side of the Pennines (still Northern Rail) hey do not have the problem as bad as us because they operate 5 coach trains round Leeds and Sheffield!!! The re-routing of the Scotland trains will free up 10 unites - so why not create a Bolton shuttle - Horwich Parkway to Manchester Oxford Road - there is capacity considering TPE have 1 less train an hour from now on, so that is NO EXCUSE!!! BWFC71

7:13am Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

A friends experience from Saturday....

I had a similar experience getting back from Manchester on Saturday evening for the 8pm train...the platform was rammed full of people, then at he last minute the platform was changed so there was literally a stampede back over the bridge...women n kids being shoved along. We were lucky and got seats but the police were knocking on the train windows telling people to squash further together in the aisles...it was a complete fire hazard. If anything had happened there wouldn't have been any way to safely leave that train. They were lucky that no one got hurt..people were arguing with each other..horrible
A friends experience from Saturday.... I had a similar experience getting back from Manchester on Saturday evening for the 8pm train...the platform was rammed full of people, then at he last minute the platform was changed so there was literally a stampede back over the bridge...women n kids being shoved along. We were lucky and got seats but the police were knocking on the train windows telling people to squash further together in the aisles...it was a complete fire hazard. If anything had happened there wouldn't have been any way to safely leave that train. They were lucky that no one got hurt..people were arguing with each other..horrible BWFC71

7:14am Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

For other similar complaints off many North West (Greater Manchester) "customers" have a look at the Northern Rail facebook page - complaints on EVERY single post.
For other similar complaints off many North West (Greater Manchester) "customers" have a look at the Northern Rail facebook page - complaints on EVERY single post. BWFC71

8:29am Thu 5 Dec 13

ncc_22 says...

i am furious. i get the train from bolton to manchester victoria every day for work. its always cramped or late. i actually injured my back on one journe because of people pushing and shoving and had to have my jacket peeled of by a stranger as it was so hot i almost passed out and wasnt able to move to take off my own jacket. i pay £104 a month for this service. its disgusting. i know i wont be buying a train pass next month. i dont mind adding an extra half hour onto my journey to get the bus and be reasonably comfortable for half the price.
i am furious. i get the train from bolton to manchester victoria every day for work. its always cramped or late. i actually injured my back on one journe because of people pushing and shoving and had to have my jacket peeled of by a stranger as it was so hot i almost passed out and wasnt able to move to take off my own jacket. i pay £104 a month for this service. its disgusting. i know i wont be buying a train pass next month. i dont mind adding an extra half hour onto my journey to get the bus and be reasonably comfortable for half the price. ncc_22

8:32am Thu 5 Dec 13

Regulatory Man says...

As usual it's a total disregard for passengers, cram more into less and save money too. Disgraceful but not a surprise in this industry it seems. And I bet the decision makers responsible for these changes use their company cars to get to and from work, right. Yeah, thought so.
As usual it's a total disregard for passengers, cram more into less and save money too. Disgraceful but not a surprise in this industry it seems. And I bet the decision makers responsible for these changes use their company cars to get to and from work, right. Yeah, thought so. Regulatory Man

8:32am Thu 5 Dec 13

Gomacadeshez says...

So the Scottish trains will be electric. What will happen to the existing diesel trains? Surely they could create a stopping service from Bolton to Manchester or Stockport using the unused trains. It could start in Bolton, stop at all the stops to Victoria and travel around the loop line that goes past the Ethihad stadium and in to Piccadilly.

The idea that passengers at Preston should be asked not to use Bolton services is preposterous and ridiculous. Just goes to show these rail bosses don't have a clue and should either resign or be sacked, because they obviously can't do their jobs and provide the services that have been paid for.
So the Scottish trains will be electric. What will happen to the existing diesel trains? Surely they could create a stopping service from Bolton to Manchester or Stockport using the unused trains. It could start in Bolton, stop at all the stops to Victoria and travel around the loop line that goes past the Ethihad stadium and in to Piccadilly. The idea that passengers at Preston should be asked not to use Bolton services is preposterous and ridiculous. Just goes to show these rail bosses don't have a clue and should either resign or be sacked, because they obviously can't do their jobs and provide the services that have been paid for. Gomacadeshez

8:35am Thu 5 Dec 13

Gomacadeshez says...

Passengers should take to twitter, and lambast the service everytime they can't get on, like Metrolink users have done. They should and also request refunds every single day they have issues.

Also write to their MP asking for the issue to be raised at Prime Ministers questions.
Passengers should take to twitter, and lambast the service everytime they can't get on, like Metrolink users have done. They should and also request refunds every single day they have issues. Also write to their MP asking for the issue to be raised at Prime Ministers questions. Gomacadeshez

8:43am Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Gomacadeshez wrote:
So the Scottish trains will be electric. What will happen to the existing diesel trains? Surely they could create a stopping service from Bolton to Manchester or Stockport using the unused trains. It could start in Bolton, stop at all the stops to Victoria and travel around the loop line that goes past the Ethihad stadium and in to Piccadilly.

The idea that passengers at Preston should be asked not to use Bolton services is preposterous and ridiculous. Just goes to show these rail bosses don't have a clue and should either resign or be sacked, because they obviously can't do their jobs and provide the services that have been paid for.
The existing diesel trains will stay with Transpennine express to help with the overcrowding of their other routes on the east side of the pennines

But here is the biggest laugh yet......

The electric trains that TPE are supposedly getting have not yet arrived and will only be ready for February's timetable changes - so why on earth are the diesels still going through Wigan - couldn't they wait until February???

Also all but 3 of the Alke district services will also be going through Wigan as well, instead of Bolton, and yet they are not be converted to electric trains any time soon!!!
[quote][p][bold]Gomacadeshez[/bold] wrote: So the Scottish trains will be electric. What will happen to the existing diesel trains? Surely they could create a stopping service from Bolton to Manchester or Stockport using the unused trains. It could start in Bolton, stop at all the stops to Victoria and travel around the loop line that goes past the Ethihad stadium and in to Piccadilly. The idea that passengers at Preston should be asked not to use Bolton services is preposterous and ridiculous. Just goes to show these rail bosses don't have a clue and should either resign or be sacked, because they obviously can't do their jobs and provide the services that have been paid for.[/p][/quote]The existing diesel trains will stay with Transpennine express to help with the overcrowding of their other routes on the east side of the pennines But here is the biggest laugh yet...... The electric trains that TPE are supposedly getting have not yet arrived and will only be ready for February's timetable changes - so why on earth are the diesels still going through Wigan - couldn't they wait until February??? Also all but 3 of the Alke district services will also be going through Wigan as well, instead of Bolton, and yet they are not be converted to electric trains any time soon!!! The Righteous One

8:45am Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

The 7:59 service from Bolton To Manchester Victoria was, as usual, 5 minutes late leaving Bolton. It arrived at Salford Central 9 minutes late - as per usual. So why can't they amend the timetables to show this as this is an everyday occurence

Also when it left Bolton, in the acrriage I was in there were at least 100 people standing squashed up together (I have the photograph to prove it) so image that by 3 carriages and then still ahving to pick customers up at Moses gate, Farnworth and Kearsley!!!
The 7:59 service from Bolton To Manchester Victoria was, as usual, 5 minutes late leaving Bolton. It arrived at Salford Central 9 minutes late - as per usual. So why can't they amend the timetables to show this as this is an everyday occurence Also when it left Bolton, in the acrriage I was in there were at least 100 people standing squashed up together (I have the photograph to prove it) so image that by 3 carriages and then still ahving to pick customers up at Moses gate, Farnworth and Kearsley!!! The Righteous One

8:49am Thu 5 Dec 13

Gomacadeshez says...

The Righteous One wrote:
The 7:59 service from Bolton To Manchester Victoria was, as usual, 5 minutes late leaving Bolton. It arrived at Salford Central 9 minutes late - as per usual. So why can't they amend the timetables to show this as this is an everyday occurence

Also when it left Bolton, in the acrriage I was in there were at least 100 people standing squashed up together (I have the photograph to prove it) so image that by 3 carriages and then still ahving to pick customers up at Moses gate, Farnworth and Kearsley!!!
you'd have to increase capacity first.

It is ludicrous that London has billions spent on an already world class transport system, and the rest of the country with a system largely unfit for purpose gets a sticking plaster called northern hub.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: The 7:59 service from Bolton To Manchester Victoria was, as usual, 5 minutes late leaving Bolton. It arrived at Salford Central 9 minutes late - as per usual. So why can't they amend the timetables to show this as this is an everyday occurence Also when it left Bolton, in the acrriage I was in there were at least 100 people standing squashed up together (I have the photograph to prove it) so image that by 3 carriages and then still ahving to pick customers up at Moses gate, Farnworth and Kearsley!!![/p][/quote]you'd have to increase capacity first. It is ludicrous that London has billions spent on an already world class transport system, and the rest of the country with a system largely unfit for purpose gets a sticking plaster called northern hub. Gomacadeshez

8:59am Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

PS for those who are wondering - I have upset a few people on this website with my accurate views which goes against their way of thinking on life and as such every post I make they make as a thumbs down. No real problem really as they are just children in an adults world and they are upset I do not think like them. I have pity for them! (I expect this post to get at least -15 as it is always the same people!)
PS for those who are wondering - I have upset a few people on this website with my accurate views which goes against their way of thinking on life and as such every post I make they make as a thumbs down. No real problem really as they are just children in an adults world and they are upset I do not think like them. I have pity for them! (I expect this post to get at least -15 as it is always the same people!) The Righteous One

9:21am Thu 5 Dec 13

itsnotthatbad says...

"Bosses at FTPE admit the changes will be “difficult” and are calling on people to change their travel habits to ease pressure"
so in other words try and find an alternative form of transport ie a car and dont use us anymore!!! or find a job closer to home... absolute idiots this lot. would the price of a monthly ticket drop due to less carriages??...think not! hang on I'll just ask work if i can change my hours of work so it can fit in with the train times....
"Bosses at FTPE admit the changes will be “difficult” and are calling on people to change their travel habits to ease pressure" so in other words try and find an alternative form of transport ie a car and dont use us anymore!!! or find a job closer to home... absolute idiots this lot. would the price of a monthly ticket drop due to less carriages??...think not! hang on I'll just ask work if i can change my hours of work so it can fit in with the train times.... itsnotthatbad

10:31am Thu 5 Dec 13

Old Boltonian says...

Talk about King Midas in reverse! Does everything Bolton touches have to turn to ****? First it was the 40% slump in house prices, then it was the so called asylum seekers and illegal immigrants! then very other shop shut down or turned into a charity shop. Highest incidence of cash for crash cases in UK. I could go on. Now you can't even get out of the place. As a life long Boltonian, I'm beginning if we all did something very bad in a past life and this is our punishment. Never mind at least the pasty shop is still thriving, if I don't get a parking ticket for stopping for two minutes to buy one. Apparently, we're the friendliest town in the UK with the nicest people. We'd have to be wouldn't we?
Talk about King Midas in reverse! Does everything Bolton touches have to turn to ****? First it was the 40% slump in house prices, then it was the so called asylum seekers and illegal immigrants! then very other shop shut down or turned into a charity shop. Highest incidence of cash for crash cases in UK. I could go on. Now you can't even get out of the place. As a life long Boltonian, I'm beginning if we all did something very bad in a past life and this is our punishment. Never mind at least the pasty shop is still thriving, if I don't get a parking ticket for stopping for two minutes to buy one. Apparently, we're the friendliest town in the UK with the nicest people. We'd have to be wouldn't we? Old Boltonian

10:40am Thu 5 Dec 13

Puffin-Billy says...

Public transport in Greater Manchester is a complete joke. My son has to travel to Knutsford from Bolton to work. He was forced to buy a car so that he wouldn't lose his job for bad timekeeping, because the trains were so unreliable.

itsnotthatbad's reference to "...try and find an alternative form of transport ie a car..." is spot on.

And local councils - e.g. Bolton- policies are biased in favour of private cars giving the lie to their claim that they want us to be environmentally friendly --- the free parking in Bolton at Christmas is an example.

A leaflet on the number 8 bus into Bolton attempts to justify changes to the Manchester end of the route by stating that buses from Bolton to Manchester were delayed on Deansgate Manchester, by traffic congestion during the weeks before Christmas 2012.

Not a mention that throughout spring summer autumn and winter of the years 2013, 2012, and earlier, buses at the Bolton end of service numbers 37 and 8 have not only been “...delayed...”, by traffic congestion along the whole length of Manchester road, Bolton; they have frequently been brought to a complete standstill, or diverted via Green Lane and Crescent Road.

The leaflet also incorrectly states that during the period November 24th to December 24th, there will be no changes to the Manchester to Bolton route. Thanks to Bolton Council’s environmentally unfriendly policy of “do as we say, not as we do”, in this instance, providing free car parking in Bolton during the run up - or rather crawl up- to Christmas, the following changes have been, and will remain in place.

The road from Moses Gate to Trinity Street will be transformed into a linear car park at rush (crawl ) hour.

Bus numbers 8 and 37 will be diverted ad hoc, up Green Lane and Crescent Road, without a care for the welfare of elderly, disabled, and otherwise vulnerable passengers, who will be left waiting in atrocious weather conditions, at stops along Manchester Road, between Green Lane and the Bolton terminus.

Failing that, buses, and the rest of the traffic will travel at less than 6 mph along Manchester Road from Farnworth to Bolton, resulting in bus passengers such as me missing appointments, as I did at Christmas 2012.

Repeat “The Bolton Experience” on a nationwide scale and we will be increasing our carbon footprint on an astronomical scale.

All that mayhem (more cars on the road ) is for the benefit of the supermarkets and their easily impressed customers, who will fill their Chelsea tractors with loads of tripe, and who will then proceed to throw half of it away.

Small businesses and their customers in the nooks and crannies of our town (reached only by pedestrians and cyclists with a rucksack or a bag, who will buy only what they can carry or take onto a bus) will suffer, but who cares? ------Not Bolton council - their contempt for small businesses has been amply demonstrated to the stall-holders of Bolton’s once famous Market Hall.

If Bolton’s politicians and councillors wish to do more than pay lip service to our health, wellbeing, and to environmental concerns, they will fight for free, or greatly reduced public transport fares in Greater Manchester between November 24th and December 24th 2014, and make car drivers pay for congesting and polluting Bolton Town.
Public transport in Greater Manchester is a complete joke. My son has to travel to Knutsford from Bolton to work. He was forced to buy a car so that he wouldn't lose his job for bad timekeeping, because the trains were so unreliable. itsnotthatbad's reference to "...try and find an alternative form of transport ie a car..." is spot on. And local councils - e.g. Bolton- policies are biased in favour of private cars giving the lie to their claim that they want us to be environmentally friendly --- the free parking in Bolton at Christmas is an example. A leaflet on the number 8 bus into Bolton attempts to justify changes to the Manchester end of the route by stating that buses from Bolton to Manchester were delayed on Deansgate Manchester, by traffic congestion during the weeks before Christmas 2012. Not a mention that throughout spring summer autumn and winter of the years 2013, 2012, and earlier, buses at the Bolton end of service numbers 37 and 8 have not only been “...delayed...”, by traffic congestion along the whole length of Manchester road, Bolton; they have frequently been brought to a complete standstill, or diverted via Green Lane and Crescent Road. The leaflet also incorrectly states that during the period November 24th to December 24th, there will be no changes to the Manchester to Bolton route. Thanks to Bolton Council’s environmentally unfriendly policy of “do as we say, not as we do”, in this instance, providing free car parking in Bolton during the run up - or rather crawl up- to Christmas, the following changes have been, and will remain in place. The road from Moses Gate to Trinity Street will be transformed into a linear car park at rush (crawl ) hour. Bus numbers 8 and 37 will be diverted ad hoc, up Green Lane and Crescent Road, without a care for the welfare of elderly, disabled, and otherwise vulnerable passengers, who will be left waiting in atrocious weather conditions, at stops along Manchester Road, between Green Lane and the Bolton terminus. Failing that, buses, and the rest of the traffic will travel at less than 6 mph along Manchester Road from Farnworth to Bolton, resulting in bus passengers such as me missing appointments, as I did at Christmas 2012. Repeat “The Bolton Experience” on a nationwide scale and we will be increasing our carbon footprint on an astronomical scale. All that mayhem (more cars on the road ) is for the benefit of the supermarkets and their easily impressed customers, who will fill their Chelsea tractors with loads of tripe, and who will then proceed to throw half of it away. Small businesses and their customers in the nooks and crannies of our town (reached only by pedestrians and cyclists with a rucksack or a bag, who will buy only what they can carry or take onto a bus) will suffer, but who cares? ------Not Bolton council - their contempt for small businesses has been amply demonstrated to the stall-holders of Bolton’s once famous Market Hall. If Bolton’s politicians and councillors wish to do more than pay lip service to our health, wellbeing, and to environmental concerns, they will fight for free, or greatly reduced public transport fares in Greater Manchester between November 24th and December 24th 2014, and make car drivers pay for congesting and polluting Bolton Town. Puffin-Billy

10:51am Thu 5 Dec 13

Puffin-Billy says...

Public transport in Greater Manchester is a joke. My son was forced into buying a care to travel from Bolton to Knutsford each day because he couldn’t rely on the trains and risked losing his job through bad time keeping.

Bolton council’s policy is biased in favour of car drivers – see their free parking over Christmas. Itsnotthatbad’s comment about finding an alternative means of transport is spot on.

A leaflet on the number 8 bus into Bolton attempts to justify changes to the Manchester end of the route by stating that buses from Bolton to Manchester were delayed on Deansgate Manchester, by traffic congestion during the weeks before Christmas 2012.

Not a mention that throughout spring summer autumn and winter of the years 2013, 2012, and earlier, buses at the Bolton end of service numbers 37 and 8 have not only been “...delayed...”, by traffic congestion along the whole length of Manchester road, Bolton; they have frequently been brought to a complete standstill, or diverted via Green Lane and Crescent Road.

The leaflet also incorrectly states that during the period November 24th to December 24th, there will be no changes to the Manchester to Bolton route. Thanks to Bolton Council’s environmentally unfriendly policy of “do as we say, not as we do”, in this instance, providing free car parking in Bolton during the run up - or rather crawl up- to Christmas, there will be the following changes.

The road from Moses Gate to Trinity Street will be converted into a linear car park on a daily basis. Bus numbers 8 and 37 will be diverted ad hoc, up Green Lane and Crescent Road, without a care for the welfare of elderly, disabled, and otherwise vulnerable passengers, who will be left waiting in atrocious weather conditions, at stops along Manchester

Road, between Green Lane and the Bolton terminus.
Failing that, buses, and the rest of the traffic will travel at less than 6 mph along Manchester Road from Farnworth to Bolton, resulting in bus passengers such as me missing appointments, as I did at Christmas 2012. Repeat “The Bolton Experience” on a nationwide scale and we will be increasing our carbon footprint on an astronomical scale.

All that mayhem is for the benefit of the supermarkets and their easily impressed customers, who will fill their Chelsea tractors with loads of tripe, and who will then proceed to throw half of it away.

Small businesses and their customers in the nooks and crannies of our town (reached only by pedestrians and cyclists with a rucksack or a bag, who will buy only what they can carry or take onto a bus) will suffer, but who cares? Not Bolton council - their contempt for small businesses has been amply demonstrated to the stall-holders of Bolton’s once famous Market Hall.

If Bolton’s politicians and councillors wish to do more than pay lip service to our health, wellbeing, and to environmental concerns, they will fight for free, or greatly reduced public transport fares in Greater Manchester between November 24th and December 24th 2014, and make car drivers pay for congesting and polluting Bolton Town.
Public transport in Greater Manchester is a joke. My son was forced into buying a care to travel from Bolton to Knutsford each day because he couldn’t rely on the trains and risked losing his job through bad time keeping. Bolton council’s policy is biased in favour of car drivers – see their free parking over Christmas. Itsnotthatbad’s comment about finding an alternative means of transport is spot on. A leaflet on the number 8 bus into Bolton attempts to justify changes to the Manchester end of the route by stating that buses from Bolton to Manchester were delayed on Deansgate Manchester, by traffic congestion during the weeks before Christmas 2012. Not a mention that throughout spring summer autumn and winter of the years 2013, 2012, and earlier, buses at the Bolton end of service numbers 37 and 8 have not only been “...delayed...”, by traffic congestion along the whole length of Manchester road, Bolton; they have frequently been brought to a complete standstill, or diverted via Green Lane and Crescent Road. The leaflet also incorrectly states that during the period November 24th to December 24th, there will be no changes to the Manchester to Bolton route. Thanks to Bolton Council’s environmentally unfriendly policy of “do as we say, not as we do”, in this instance, providing free car parking in Bolton during the run up - or rather crawl up- to Christmas, there will be the following changes. The road from Moses Gate to Trinity Street will be converted into a linear car park on a daily basis. Bus numbers 8 and 37 will be diverted ad hoc, up Green Lane and Crescent Road, without a care for the welfare of elderly, disabled, and otherwise vulnerable passengers, who will be left waiting in atrocious weather conditions, at stops along Manchester Road, between Green Lane and the Bolton terminus. Failing that, buses, and the rest of the traffic will travel at less than 6 mph along Manchester Road from Farnworth to Bolton, resulting in bus passengers such as me missing appointments, as I did at Christmas 2012. Repeat “The Bolton Experience” on a nationwide scale and we will be increasing our carbon footprint on an astronomical scale. All that mayhem is for the benefit of the supermarkets and their easily impressed customers, who will fill their Chelsea tractors with loads of tripe, and who will then proceed to throw half of it away. Small businesses and their customers in the nooks and crannies of our town (reached only by pedestrians and cyclists with a rucksack or a bag, who will buy only what they can carry or take onto a bus) will suffer, but who cares? Not Bolton council - their contempt for small businesses has been amply demonstrated to the stall-holders of Bolton’s once famous Market Hall. If Bolton’s politicians and councillors wish to do more than pay lip service to our health, wellbeing, and to environmental concerns, they will fight for free, or greatly reduced public transport fares in Greater Manchester between November 24th and December 24th 2014, and make car drivers pay for congesting and polluting Bolton Town. Puffin-Billy

11:12am Thu 5 Dec 13

Phil from Smithills says...

BWFC71 wrote:
For other similar complaints off many North West (Greater Manchester) "customers" have a look at the Northern Rail facebook page - complaints on EVERY single post.
Don't go to Manchester stay in Bolton.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: For other similar complaints off many North West (Greater Manchester) "customers" have a look at the Northern Rail facebook page - complaints on EVERY single post.[/p][/quote]Don't go to Manchester stay in Bolton. Phil from Smithills

11:24am Thu 5 Dec 13

steverock6@sky.com says...

More services lost to Bolton borough when are the councils reps on the transport authority going to stand up for the town!
More services lost to Bolton borough when are the councils reps on the transport authority going to stand up for the town! steverock6@sky.com

11:27am Thu 5 Dec 13

boltonian87 says...

And to top if off the price of the season ticket has gone up again! For a reduced service!! I love the suggestion of passengers "changing their travel habits" as though we all travel at that time for the fun of it, not to get to work on time!
And to top if off the price of the season ticket has gone up again! For a reduced service!! I love the suggestion of passengers "changing their travel habits" as though we all travel at that time for the fun of it, not to get to work on time! boltonian87

12:19pm Thu 5 Dec 13

cliff4treasurer says...

A car is the only reliable mode of transport and I don't need any proof just the comments on here.
The government and local councils don't give a toss about anyone who has to commute or in fact do anything in life as they are all in it for themselves, "service to the public" is a sick joke.
The only time I use public transport is about twice a year into Manchester early on Saturday and early back out so I don't have to put up with the life of a sardine twice a year and then only because I have a few beers so can't drive as I usualy do.
So who is to blame for pollution? Not me ses i.
A car is the only reliable mode of transport and I don't need any proof just the comments on here. The government and local councils don't give a toss about anyone who has to commute or in fact do anything in life as they are all in it for themselves, "service to the public" is a sick joke. The only time I use public transport is about twice a year into Manchester early on Saturday and early back out so I don't have to put up with the life of a sardine twice a year and then only because I have a few beers so can't drive as I usualy do. So who is to blame for pollution? Not me ses i. cliff4treasurer

1:10pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bolton Lad 85 says...

Why are you not arranging an interview on the platform at 7.45 with TransPennine. You should have lots of cammera men on the platform and create a real stink. You should also have all cllr's who care on hand to protest this. However in reality you will probably forget alll about this on Monday.

Take some pride in the town that pays your wages and become a newspaper that champions causes people care about. Not sit around cutting and pasting stories that fall in your lap. Come on BEN prove you have some journalistic spirit. Remember the reasons you trained. stand up for the little guy....... Viva the Revolution.
Why are you not arranging an interview on the platform at 7.45 with TransPennine. You should have lots of cammera men on the platform and create a real stink. You should also have all cllr's who care on hand to protest this. However in reality you will probably forget alll about this on Monday. Take some pride in the town that pays your wages and become a newspaper that champions causes people care about. Not sit around cutting and pasting stories that fall in your lap. Come on BEN prove you have some journalistic spirit. Remember the reasons you trained. stand up for the little guy....... Viva the Revolution. Bolton Lad 85

1:25pm Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
For other similar complaints off many North West (Greater Manchester) "customers" have a look at the Northern Rail facebook page - complaints on EVERY single post.
Don't go to Manchester stay in Bolton.
My work is in Manchester and London!!!
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: For other similar complaints off many North West (Greater Manchester) "customers" have a look at the Northern Rail facebook page - complaints on EVERY single post.[/p][/quote]Don't go to Manchester stay in Bolton.[/p][/quote]My work is in Manchester and London!!! The Righteous One

1:27pm Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
A car is the only reliable mode of transport and I don't need any proof just the comments on here.
The government and local councils don't give a toss about anyone who has to commute or in fact do anything in life as they are all in it for themselves, "service to the public" is a sick joke.
The only time I use public transport is about twice a year into Manchester early on Saturday and early back out so I don't have to put up with the life of a sardine twice a year and then only because I have a few beers so can't drive as I usualy do.
So who is to blame for pollution? Not me ses i.
I went by car last week. It has been a few years since I drove into Manchester during the rush hour. Last time was about 7.5 years ago and then it took me 45 minutes to drive in and 15 walk to the office. Last week it took 1hr 15 minutes to get into Manchester and 15minutes walking. Leaving Manchester, last week took me 15 minutes walking to the car and almost 2 hours to get home!!! Just think of all the wasted fuel (and money) plus parking fees have gone up from £3/day to some places £25/day!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: A car is the only reliable mode of transport and I don't need any proof just the comments on here. The government and local councils don't give a toss about anyone who has to commute or in fact do anything in life as they are all in it for themselves, "service to the public" is a sick joke. The only time I use public transport is about twice a year into Manchester early on Saturday and early back out so I don't have to put up with the life of a sardine twice a year and then only because I have a few beers so can't drive as I usualy do. So who is to blame for pollution? Not me ses i.[/p][/quote]I went by car last week. It has been a few years since I drove into Manchester during the rush hour. Last time was about 7.5 years ago and then it took me 45 minutes to drive in and 15 walk to the office. Last week it took 1hr 15 minutes to get into Manchester and 15minutes walking. Leaving Manchester, last week took me 15 minutes walking to the car and almost 2 hours to get home!!! Just think of all the wasted fuel (and money) plus parking fees have gone up from £3/day to some places £25/day!!!!! The Righteous One

1:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

steverock6@sky.com wrote:
More services lost to Bolton borough when are the councils reps on the transport authority going to stand up for the town!
Bolton Council do not control the train companies or the railway infrastructure - that is ultimately down to the Department for Transport in London!!!! (and you are wanting to be a councillor???????) TfGM has virtually no say in what happens, only in the price structure for within Greater Manchester - hence why many from Edgworth drive down to Bromley Cross because it is far cheaper than catching from Entwistle!!!!
[quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: More services lost to Bolton borough when are the councils reps on the transport authority going to stand up for the town![/p][/quote]Bolton Council do not control the train companies or the railway infrastructure - that is ultimately down to the Department for Transport in London!!!! (and you are wanting to be a councillor???????) TfGM has virtually no say in what happens, only in the price structure for within Greater Manchester - hence why many from Edgworth drive down to Bromley Cross because it is far cheaper than catching from Entwistle!!!! The Righteous One

1:50pm Thu 5 Dec 13

HaulghLady says...

I have written to All the Bolton MPs and got a response from David Crausby. Mr Crausby stated that he had been led to believe that redundant diesel stock (from the electrified Wigan routes I imagine) would be used for the Bolton/Manchester route. However he has since discovered this is to be used for Leeds/Manchester.I have had the following response from Councillor David Chadwick, Cabinet Member for Highways and Transport: Mr Chadwick's response reads like a TPE press release to me and contains no indication of what the Bolton Councillors or MP's are doing about this issue. Mr Chadwick's response seems to contradict what David Crausby was told about the redundant rolling stock.


"Pennine Express is investing large sums of money, into a new fleet of electric trains to run on its Scottish services from Manchester. This investment takes advantage of a number of factors including faster journey times, lower carbon footprint and quicker acceleration from a standing position. This should be set in context that there is no spare rolling stock to the train operators anywhere in the country."

I invited Councillors and MPS to be in attendance on the platform on Monday 9 December to witness what will only be a fiasco. This was David Chadwick's response:

"I understand that T.P.E. and Northern will have staff available next week at the station."

Angela Commuter Bolton to Manchester
I have written to All the Bolton MPs and got a response from David Crausby. Mr Crausby stated that he had been led to believe that redundant diesel stock (from the electrified Wigan routes I imagine) would be used for the Bolton/Manchester route. However he has since discovered this is to be used for Leeds/Manchester.I have had the following response from Councillor David Chadwick, Cabinet Member for Highways and Transport: Mr Chadwick's response reads like a TPE press release to me and contains no indication of what the Bolton Councillors or MP's are doing about this issue. Mr Chadwick's response seems to contradict what David Crausby was told about the redundant rolling stock. "Pennine Express is investing large sums of money, into a new fleet of electric trains to run on its Scottish services from Manchester. This investment takes advantage of a number of factors including faster journey times, lower carbon footprint and quicker acceleration from a standing position. This should be set in context that there is no spare rolling stock to the train operators anywhere in the country." I invited Councillors and MPS to be in attendance on the platform on Monday 9 December to witness what will only be a fiasco. This was David Chadwick's response: "I understand that T.P.E. and Northern will have staff available next week at the station." Angela Commuter Bolton to Manchester HaulghLady

2:06pm Thu 5 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

I have written to BBC Breakfast (based in Salford) to see if they will have a reporter at Bolton Station on Monday morning - considering Bolton is the only MAJOR station that is losing trains and carriages whilst number of passengers has gone up - still awaiting a reply.
I have written to BBC Breakfast (based in Salford) to see if they will have a reporter at Bolton Station on Monday morning - considering Bolton is the only MAJOR station that is losing trains and carriages whilst number of passengers has gone up - still awaiting a reply. The Righteous One

7:27pm Thu 5 Dec 13

thealexweb says...

As others have previously mentioned, please do the following every time you has a unsatisfactory rail journey to / from Bolton:

Voice your complaints to station / train staff and demand a refund form from the booking office at your final destination. Most complaints result in compensation.

'Tweet' your complaints to @TPEassist @northernrailorg @OfficialTfGM and @NetworkRailNH. In addition write on Transpennine's facebook page.

Email the following organisations in addition to your local councillor, MP and MEP (To find out who your elected representatives are visit http://www.theyworkf
oryou.com).

tpecustomer.relation
s@firstgroup.com
customer.relations@n
orthernrail.org
customer.relations@t
fgm.com
rail@dft.gsi.gov.uk
As others have previously mentioned, please do the following every time you has a unsatisfactory rail journey to / from Bolton: Voice your complaints to station / train staff and demand a refund form from the booking office at your final destination. Most complaints result in compensation. 'Tweet' your complaints to @TPEassist @northernrailorg @OfficialTfGM and @NetworkRailNH. In addition write on Transpennine's facebook page. Email the following organisations in addition to your local councillor, MP and MEP (To find out who your elected representatives are visit http://www.theyworkf oryou.com). tpecustomer.relation s@firstgroup.com customer.relations@n orthernrail.org customer.relations@t fgm.com rail@dft.gsi.gov.uk thealexweb

7:35pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Frogger123 says...

thealexweb wrote:
As others have previously mentioned, please do the following every time you has a unsatisfactory rail journey to / from Bolton:

Voice your complaints to station / train staff and demand a refund form from the booking office at your final destination. Most complaints result in compensation.

'Tweet' your complaints to @TPEassist @northernrailorg @OfficialTfGM and @NetworkRailNH. In addition write on Transpennine's facebook page.

Email the following organisations in addition to your local councillor, MP and MEP (To find out who your elected representatives are visit http://www.theyworkf

oryou.com).

tpecustomer.relation

s@firstgroup.com
customer.relations@n

orthernrail.org
customer.relations@t

fgm.com
rail@dft.gsi.gov.uk
I've started doing this 2 weeks ago , I would also suggest taking a picture of overcrowded carriages and people left behind at platforms when they can't get on. I'm not sure how effective it is yet but it makes me feel like I'm doing something rather than just taking it!
[quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: As others have previously mentioned, please do the following every time you has a unsatisfactory rail journey to / from Bolton: Voice your complaints to station / train staff and demand a refund form from the booking office at your final destination. Most complaints result in compensation. 'Tweet' your complaints to @TPEassist @northernrailorg @OfficialTfGM and @NetworkRailNH. In addition write on Transpennine's facebook page. Email the following organisations in addition to your local councillor, MP and MEP (To find out who your elected representatives are visit http://www.theyworkf oryou.com). tpecustomer.relation s@firstgroup.com customer.relations@n orthernrail.org customer.relations@t fgm.com rail@dft.gsi.gov.uk[/p][/quote]I've started doing this 2 weeks ago , I would also suggest taking a picture of overcrowded carriages and people left behind at platforms when they can't get on. I'm not sure how effective it is yet but it makes me feel like I'm doing something rather than just taking it! Frogger123

8:09pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Frogger123 wrote:
thealexweb wrote:
As others have previously mentioned, please do the following every time you has a unsatisfactory rail journey to / from Bolton:

Voice your complaints to station / train staff and demand a refund form from the booking office at your final destination. Most complaints result in compensation.

'Tweet' your complaints to @TPEassist @northernrailorg @OfficialTfGM and @NetworkRailNH. In addition write on Transpennine's facebook page.

Email the following organisations in addition to your local councillor, MP and MEP (To find out who your elected representatives are visit http://www.theyworkf


oryou.com).

tpecustomer.relation


s@firstgroup.com
customer.relations@n


orthernrail.org
customer.relations@t


fgm.com
rail@dft.gsi.gov.uk
I've started doing this 2 weeks ago , I would also suggest taking a picture of overcrowded carriages and people left behind at platforms when they can't get on. I'm not sure how effective it is yet but it makes me feel like I'm doing something rather than just taking it!
I have also been doing tis for the last 4 months.

I have been sending to Northern Rail, TfGM (who just pass it on to Northern Rail), Department for Transport (main site and not just rail), Cllr David Chadwick - and since last week posting on Northern Rail's facebook page.

I have also started sending to Nederlandse Spoorwegen (50% owners of Northern Rail) via email and on their facebook page as well! (NS.NL).

I have also contacted a couple of Bolton's MP's.

This I do at least once a week with the weeks events of everything that has happened in a negative (and a positive way - positive as there were 4 coaches on a Blackburn to Bolton service the other morning, fist time that has EVER happened as it is usually 2 coaches instead of 3!!!)
[quote][p][bold]Frogger123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: As others have previously mentioned, please do the following every time you has a unsatisfactory rail journey to / from Bolton: Voice your complaints to station / train staff and demand a refund form from the booking office at your final destination. Most complaints result in compensation. 'Tweet' your complaints to @TPEassist @northernrailorg @OfficialTfGM and @NetworkRailNH. In addition write on Transpennine's facebook page. Email the following organisations in addition to your local councillor, MP and MEP (To find out who your elected representatives are visit http://www.theyworkf oryou.com). tpecustomer.relation s@firstgroup.com customer.relations@n orthernrail.org customer.relations@t fgm.com rail@dft.gsi.gov.uk[/p][/quote]I've started doing this 2 weeks ago , I would also suggest taking a picture of overcrowded carriages and people left behind at platforms when they can't get on. I'm not sure how effective it is yet but it makes me feel like I'm doing something rather than just taking it![/p][/quote]I have also been doing tis for the last 4 months. I have been sending to Northern Rail, TfGM (who just pass it on to Northern Rail), Department for Transport (main site and not just rail), Cllr David Chadwick - and since last week posting on Northern Rail's facebook page. I have also started sending to Nederlandse Spoorwegen (50% owners of Northern Rail) via email and on their facebook page as well! (NS.NL). I have also contacted a couple of Bolton's MP's. This I do at least once a week with the weeks events of everything that has happened in a negative (and a positive way - positive as there were 4 coaches on a Blackburn to Bolton service the other morning, fist time that has EVER happened as it is usually 2 coaches instead of 3!!!) BWFC71

8:15pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

boltonian87 wrote:
And to top if off the price of the season ticket has gone up again! For a reduced service!! I love the suggestion of passengers "changing their travel habits" as though we all travel at that time for the fun of it, not to get to work on time!
Unfortunately that is law - basically as the law stands thee rail companies HAVE to raise the fares so not to be as reliant from hand-outs from Network Rail and the Government!!! On average it has to be RPI+1% (or from 2015 just RPI) - although within that mean average some fares can stay the same whilst some have to be higher to compensate those that don't rise.
[quote][p][bold]boltonian87[/bold] wrote: And to top if off the price of the season ticket has gone up again! For a reduced service!! I love the suggestion of passengers "changing their travel habits" as though we all travel at that time for the fun of it, not to get to work on time![/p][/quote]Unfortunately that is law - basically as the law stands thee rail companies HAVE to raise the fares so not to be as reliant from hand-outs from Network Rail and the Government!!! On average it has to be RPI+1% (or from 2015 just RPI) - although within that mean average some fares can stay the same whilst some have to be higher to compensate those that don't rise. BWFC71

8:46pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

I had a meeting with the Station Manager this afternoon, and there s even more news coming our way.....

Bolton rain station is to lose the car park from sometime after April, so that it can re-install Platform 5 as a through platform - which will be completed by end of 2015.

But that will mean there will be no parking facilities at Bolton Station - there will be a bus station, parking for over 200 pedal bikes and even a taxi rank and a layby but nowhere to park a car!!!
I had a meeting with the Station Manager this afternoon, and there s even more news coming our way..... Bolton rain station is to lose the car park from sometime after April, so that it can re-install Platform 5 as a through platform - which will be completed by end of 2015. But that will mean there will be no parking facilities at Bolton Station - there will be a bus station, parking for over 200 pedal bikes and even a taxi rank and a layby but nowhere to park a car!!! BWFC71

8:10am Fri 6 Dec 13

thealexweb says...

BWFC71 wrote:
I had a meeting with the Station Manager this afternoon, and there s even more news coming our way.....

Bolton rain station is to lose the car park from sometime after April, so that it can re-install Platform 5 as a through platform - which will be completed by end of 2015.

But that will mean there will be no parking facilities at Bolton Station - there will be a bus station, parking for over 200 pedal bikes and even a taxi rank and a layby but nowhere to park a car!!!
Are you a member of Northern staff? If not how did you get this meeting?

It is very good news to hear though.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: I had a meeting with the Station Manager this afternoon, and there s even more news coming our way..... Bolton rain station is to lose the car park from sometime after April, so that it can re-install Platform 5 as a through platform - which will be completed by end of 2015. But that will mean there will be no parking facilities at Bolton Station - there will be a bus station, parking for over 200 pedal bikes and even a taxi rank and a layby but nowhere to park a car!!![/p][/quote]Are you a member of Northern staff? If not how did you get this meeting? It is very good news to hear though. thealexweb

10:37am Fri 6 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

No I am not a member of Northern Rail staff. It was through weeks of complaints I had been making with regards to the pathetic way people were parking their cars in the "car park" and how many were taking up too many spaces. I was invited to the meet up with him to taklk about the problems and possible solutions.

This is being addressed with more marked out bays and friendly warnings to those who are inconsiderate parkers/drivers
No I am not a member of Northern Rail staff. It was through weeks of complaints I had been making with regards to the pathetic way people were parking their cars in the "car park" and how many were taking up too many spaces. I was invited to the meet up with him to taklk about the problems and possible solutions. This is being addressed with more marked out bays and friendly warnings to those who are inconsiderate parkers/drivers The Righteous One

11:01am Fri 6 Dec 13

Kenipetwoman says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Monday evening:
What a pathetic excuse of a company, Northern Rail is!!!! Its parent companies should know what the management of this company are actually doing which is sweet FA!!!! I checked the website just after 5pm this evening about the 1720 service from Victoria to Blackpool - nothing wrong and then again at Salford Central and again nothing wrong - even after buying my weekly ticket there was still nothing wrong - what happens the Southport train is 4 coaches, the Kirkby train is 4 coaches and the Blackpool train (the busiest service of the whole network according to yourselves) is only 2 coaches, when it is normally 4 coaches) and NO ONE could get on the train at Salford Central! If I had known I could have made other arrangements to get back to Bolton. (even the Blackburn train couldn't cope with the amount of passengers wanting to get home to Bolton and had to leave passengers behind). Now if this is what we are going to expect from next Monday, they had better tell me now as I will start driving in, although it will take an hour longer, but at least I will be in the know that I will be able to get home at the time I want and in comfort!!!! Kirkby doesn't need 4 coaches as it never gets full, so why weren't the units swapped?? It is not brain science it is common sense but Northern Rail doesn't operate with common sense. In fact the company doesn't give two hoots about customers at all, they are just bothered about profits and keeping their parent companies (serco and Nederlandse Spoorwegen) happy with making them more money at the expense of their customers safety and comfort!!! So do not give me the excuse of shortage of trains or failed units or overcrowding is common - I know I catch the train everyday and have done for years. This tonight was their stupidity on their part and the DfT are going to be told everyday when things go wrong and their lack of expertise of controlling rolling stock and using it effectively!!!!

Wednesday:
The 7:59 Bolton to Victoria was only 2 coaches instead of 3 - didn't even try to catch it as normally when it is 2 coaches people are crammed in worse than sardines and it still has 3 more stations to call at before Salford Crescent (being Mosees Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley)

Everyday:
7:59 NEVER leaves Bolton on time, even according to the ne timetable it says 7:59 departure time. Why can't they time it accordingly so that it is never late - not hard to do as it is normally only leaves 5 minutes later that the stated time - so why not say so in its timetable!!!

Lack of carriages in NOTHING new and it happens every day whilst on thee east side of the Pennines (still Northern Rail) hey do not have the problem as bad as us because they operate 5 coach trains round Leeds and Sheffield!!!

The re-routing of the Scotland trains will free up 10 unites - so why not create a Bolton shuttle - Horwich Parkway to Manchester Oxford Road - there is capacity considering TPE have 1 less train an hour from now on, so that is NO EXCUSE!!!
Have you actually spoke to FTPE about your idea of a shuttle service? You seem to be constantly banging on about Northern Rail but it is FTPE who you need to speak to with regards to them withdrawing some of their services. If you have issues with Northern services then email them at customer.relations(a
t)northernrail.org
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Monday evening: What a pathetic excuse of a company, Northern Rail is!!!! Its parent companies should know what the management of this company are actually doing which is sweet FA!!!! I checked the website just after 5pm this evening about the 1720 service from Victoria to Blackpool - nothing wrong and then again at Salford Central and again nothing wrong - even after buying my weekly ticket there was still nothing wrong - what happens the Southport train is 4 coaches, the Kirkby train is 4 coaches and the Blackpool train (the busiest service of the whole network according to yourselves) is only 2 coaches, when it is normally 4 coaches) and NO ONE could get on the train at Salford Central! If I had known I could have made other arrangements to get back to Bolton. (even the Blackburn train couldn't cope with the amount of passengers wanting to get home to Bolton and had to leave passengers behind). Now if this is what we are going to expect from next Monday, they had better tell me now as I will start driving in, although it will take an hour longer, but at least I will be in the know that I will be able to get home at the time I want and in comfort!!!! Kirkby doesn't need 4 coaches as it never gets full, so why weren't the units swapped?? It is not brain science it is common sense but Northern Rail doesn't operate with common sense. In fact the company doesn't give two hoots about customers at all, they are just bothered about profits and keeping their parent companies (serco and Nederlandse Spoorwegen) happy with making them more money at the expense of their customers safety and comfort!!! So do not give me the excuse of shortage of trains or failed units or overcrowding is common - I know I catch the train everyday and have done for years. This tonight was their stupidity on their part and the DfT are going to be told everyday when things go wrong and their lack of expertise of controlling rolling stock and using it effectively!!!! Wednesday: The 7:59 Bolton to Victoria was only 2 coaches instead of 3 - didn't even try to catch it as normally when it is 2 coaches people are crammed in worse than sardines and it still has 3 more stations to call at before Salford Crescent (being Mosees Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley) Everyday: 7:59 NEVER leaves Bolton on time, even according to the ne timetable it says 7:59 departure time. Why can't they time it accordingly so that it is never late - not hard to do as it is normally only leaves 5 minutes later that the stated time - so why not say so in its timetable!!! Lack of carriages in NOTHING new and it happens every day whilst on thee east side of the Pennines (still Northern Rail) hey do not have the problem as bad as us because they operate 5 coach trains round Leeds and Sheffield!!! The re-routing of the Scotland trains will free up 10 unites - so why not create a Bolton shuttle - Horwich Parkway to Manchester Oxford Road - there is capacity considering TPE have 1 less train an hour from now on, so that is NO EXCUSE!!![/p][/quote]Have you actually spoke to FTPE about your idea of a shuttle service? You seem to be constantly banging on about Northern Rail but it is FTPE who you need to speak to with regards to them withdrawing some of their services. If you have issues with Northern services then email them at customer.relations(a t)northernrail.org Kenipetwoman

11:09am Fri 6 Dec 13

Kenipetwoman says...

BWFC71 wrote:
I had a meeting with the Station Manager this afternoon, and there s even more news coming our way.....

Bolton rain station is to lose the car park from sometime after April, so that it can re-install Platform 5 as a through platform - which will be completed by end of 2015.

But that will mean there will be no parking facilities at Bolton Station - there will be a bus station, parking for over 200 pedal bikes and even a taxi rank and a layby but nowhere to park a car!!!
Yay they're bringing back Platform 5! Yayyyyyyyyyyy
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: I had a meeting with the Station Manager this afternoon, and there s even more news coming our way..... Bolton rain station is to lose the car park from sometime after April, so that it can re-install Platform 5 as a through platform - which will be completed by end of 2015. But that will mean there will be no parking facilities at Bolton Station - there will be a bus station, parking for over 200 pedal bikes and even a taxi rank and a layby but nowhere to park a car!!![/p][/quote]Yay they're bringing back Platform 5! Yayyyyyyyyyyy Kenipetwoman

11:11am Fri 6 Dec 13

Kenipetwoman says...

BWFC71 you like a good moan don't you, why don't you save your money you spend on your horrible train experiences and use another form of transport? Simple. That is, unless you're a secret train-spotter!
BWFC71 you like a good moan don't you, why don't you save your money you spend on your horrible train experiences and use another form of transport? Simple. That is, unless you're a secret train-spotter! Kenipetwoman

12:30pm Fri 6 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Kenipetwoman,

Firstly my preferred way of travelling is by public transport. I used to use a car all the time, but after living abroad for a while - especially in The Netherlands, I experienced something very unqiue - Public Transport that actually works - that gets you from A to B with very little hassle and the majority of people use it instead of the cars as it is also affordable.

Since moving back to the UK I still use the train, although I have to use a car to get to the station as there is no bus, plus as there is no inegration it means paying two different prices. But the train is the fatest form of going to/from work, and cheaper!!! BUt I will moan and complain and back any idea that will try to improve public transport and make it more userfriendly for communter, shoppers and anyone else. In the UK we currently operate under so many different laws and regulations that it is unbelievable and it is NOT teh fault fo Brussles, but teh fault fo Westminster. The UK has a two-tier public transport system - inside London and outside London. Inside London the transport network works as one and is franchised out to various companies to operate under tight regulation from the Mayors office, whilst outside London it is a free-for all with quango's such as TfGM having to plug the gaps where the private companies do not want to operate. We need to have the same system as they in The Netherlands where one card 9the OV Chipkaart) can be used on all forms of public transport across the whole country and the prices are set centrally (basically London but on a national scale). Until we have that I will carry on campaining and moaning and hoping (with fingers crossed) that one day the politicians will lsiten and do something about it. But at least I am proactive about it and not a defeatest!
Kenipetwoman, Firstly my preferred way of travelling is by public transport. I used to use a car all the time, but after living abroad for a while - especially in The Netherlands, I experienced something very unqiue - Public Transport that actually works - that gets you from A to B with very little hassle and the majority of people use it instead of the cars as it is also affordable. Since moving back to the UK I still use the train, although I have to use a car to get to the station as there is no bus, plus as there is no inegration it means paying two different prices. But the train is the fatest form of going to/from work, and cheaper!!! BUt I will moan and complain and back any idea that will try to improve public transport and make it more userfriendly for communter, shoppers and anyone else. In the UK we currently operate under so many different laws and regulations that it is unbelievable and it is NOT teh fault fo Brussles, but teh fault fo Westminster. The UK has a two-tier public transport system - inside London and outside London. Inside London the transport network works as one and is franchised out to various companies to operate under tight regulation from the Mayors office, whilst outside London it is a free-for all with quango's such as TfGM having to plug the gaps where the private companies do not want to operate. We need to have the same system as they in The Netherlands where one card 9the OV Chipkaart) can be used on all forms of public transport across the whole country and the prices are set centrally (basically London but on a national scale). Until we have that I will carry on campaining and moaning and hoping (with fingers crossed) that one day the politicians will lsiten and do something about it. But at least I am proactive about it and not a defeatest! The Righteous One

1:05pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Kenipetwoman says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Kenipetwoman,

Firstly my preferred way of travelling is by public transport. I used to use a car all the time, but after living abroad for a while - especially in The Netherlands, I experienced something very unqiue - Public Transport that actually works - that gets you from A to B with very little hassle and the majority of people use it instead of the cars as it is also affordable.

Since moving back to the UK I still use the train, although I have to use a car to get to the station as there is no bus, plus as there is no inegration it means paying two different prices. But the train is the fatest form of going to/from work, and cheaper!!! BUt I will moan and complain and back any idea that will try to improve public transport and make it more userfriendly for communter, shoppers and anyone else. In the UK we currently operate under so many different laws and regulations that it is unbelievable and it is NOT teh fault fo Brussles, but teh fault fo Westminster. The UK has a two-tier public transport system - inside London and outside London. Inside London the transport network works as one and is franchised out to various companies to operate under tight regulation from the Mayors office, whilst outside London it is a free-for all with quango's such as TfGM having to plug the gaps where the private companies do not want to operate. We need to have the same system as they in The Netherlands where one card 9the OV Chipkaart) can be used on all forms of public transport across the whole country and the prices are set centrally (basically London but on a national scale). Until we have that I will carry on campaining and moaning and hoping (with fingers crossed) that one day the politicians will lsiten and do something about it. But at least I am proactive about it and not a defeatest!
Yes "Righteous One" people forget that its the government who has the say in our transport network and our train franchises. This is whom the people of Bolton need to complain too, not just to Northern and FTPE as they can only work with what is given to them by the GOVERNMENT. At the end of the day, like you say, train travel is still by far the quickest and cheapest form of public transport.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Kenipetwoman, Firstly my preferred way of travelling is by public transport. I used to use a car all the time, but after living abroad for a while - especially in The Netherlands, I experienced something very unqiue - Public Transport that actually works - that gets you from A to B with very little hassle and the majority of people use it instead of the cars as it is also affordable. Since moving back to the UK I still use the train, although I have to use a car to get to the station as there is no bus, plus as there is no inegration it means paying two different prices. But the train is the fatest form of going to/from work, and cheaper!!! BUt I will moan and complain and back any idea that will try to improve public transport and make it more userfriendly for communter, shoppers and anyone else. In the UK we currently operate under so many different laws and regulations that it is unbelievable and it is NOT teh fault fo Brussles, but teh fault fo Westminster. The UK has a two-tier public transport system - inside London and outside London. Inside London the transport network works as one and is franchised out to various companies to operate under tight regulation from the Mayors office, whilst outside London it is a free-for all with quango's such as TfGM having to plug the gaps where the private companies do not want to operate. We need to have the same system as they in The Netherlands where one card 9the OV Chipkaart) can be used on all forms of public transport across the whole country and the prices are set centrally (basically London but on a national scale). Until we have that I will carry on campaining and moaning and hoping (with fingers crossed) that one day the politicians will lsiten and do something about it. But at least I am proactive about it and not a defeatest![/p][/quote]Yes "Righteous One" people forget that its the government who has the say in our transport network and our train franchises. This is whom the people of Bolton need to complain too, not just to Northern and FTPE as they can only work with what is given to them by the GOVERNMENT. At the end of the day, like you say, train travel is still by far the quickest and cheapest form of public transport. Kenipetwoman

6:36am Sat 7 Dec 13

Wigan Trotter says...

The poll is by Bolton News only shows how little they know about the railways as the majority of the problems are to do with the Northern Rail franchise and not Transpennine as their trains are Airport trains which are getting overcrowded due to the failings of Northern Rail.
The poll is by Bolton News only shows how little they know about the railways as the majority of the problems are to do with the Northern Rail franchise and not Transpennine as their trains are Airport trains which are getting overcrowded due to the failings of Northern Rail. Wigan Trotter

9:46am Sat 7 Dec 13

Kenipetwoman says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
The poll is by Bolton News only shows how little they know about the railways as the majority of the problems are to do with the Northern Rail franchise and not Transpennine as their trains are Airport trains which are getting overcrowded due to the failings of Northern Rail.
Thing is, people know what are train services are like and still choose to use them and moan to high heaven.
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: The poll is by Bolton News only shows how little they know about the railways as the majority of the problems are to do with the Northern Rail franchise and not Transpennine as their trains are Airport trains which are getting overcrowded due to the failings of Northern Rail.[/p][/quote]Thing is, people know what are train services are like and still choose to use them and moan to high heaven. Kenipetwoman

12:45pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Browny91 says...

I would also take photos of overcrowded carriages but I never have enough room to get my phone out of my pocket, never mind press the correct buttons and raise my arm to take the actual photo!
I would also take photos of overcrowded carriages but I never have enough room to get my phone out of my pocket, never mind press the correct buttons and raise my arm to take the actual photo! Browny91

1:37pm Sat 7 Dec 13

ncc_22 says...

does anybody know where i can find accurate train times for sundays. every website seems to show me weekly time :S
does anybody know where i can find accurate train times for sundays. every website seems to show me weekly time :S ncc_22

3:20pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Bolton Wanderer says...

Not to worry, soon we will have a nice shiny new platform which we can stand on and nothing more because there are less services. Or you can admire the queues from our brand new bus station! Oh how lovely.
Not to worry, soon we will have a nice shiny new platform which we can stand on and nothing more because there are less services. Or you can admire the queues from our brand new bus station! Oh how lovely. Bolton Wanderer

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