Prime Minister promises to 'look at' Bolton's overcrowded train problem

The Bolton News: Prime Minister promises to 'look at' Bolton's overcrowded train problem Prime Minister promises to 'look at' Bolton's overcrowded train problem

PRIME Minister David Cameron has promised to look at the issue of Bolton’s overcrowded trains during a whirlwind visit to the town.

Mr Cameron visited The Bolton News following the announcement the Bolton to Wigan railway line will also be electrified with £37 million investment.

In an exclusive interview with The Bolton News, Mr Cameron heard about our Let’s Get Back on Track campaign and acknowledged there is a problem with congestion on the borough’s train services.

He said: “I think the point is here is there is a programme of electrification and the situation between Bolton and Manchester has got a little bit worse with also the other electrification that’s taking place.

“When this new electrification takes place then I think we will see a better service — it’s the consequence of investment rather than the consequences of not making investment.

He added: “If it’s possible to have more carriages added to Bolton services, I will go away and look into it.

“It very much struck me reading all the information about what’s happening, and the good news coming with the electrification if there is any way of adding carriages in the short-term. I will certainly take that one away.”

Mr Cameron also discussed the town’s Christmas markets and Bolton’s ferris wheel, town centre investment and the so-called ‘bedroom tax’.

He said that the cap on business rates, announced in the Chancellor’s Autumn Statement last week, would be a boost to Bolton’s high street.

Mr Cameron added: “I’m very conscious of this high street issue — it affects towns right up and down the country.

“I think part of that is because of the way people are shopping and because of online businesses but town centre businesses do face an unfair situation.

“That’s why the Chancellor in his last Autumn statement has announced this £1,000 cut in business rates, a rebate effectively for properties under £50,000 which will be mostly high street properties, that I think will be a bonus.”

When asked questions on the under-occupancy penalty — dubbed the bedroom tax — Mr Cameron said it was a question of fairness to the people who need a home against those who have spare rooms.

He added: “It is worth remembering, here we are in Bolton where there are 27,499 people on the housing waiting list, people who would like houses, and we have got to start off with the big picture — which is it sensible use of public money to pay extra for people to live in houses with more rooms than they need?

“There are those who can keep the spare room subsidy, either because they are disabled and need an extra room for an overnight carer, or there are whole groups people who are exempt from it like pensioners .

“Then there are also difficult cases, which is what the discretionary fund if for, and it has been increased and can be used for those cases.

“Obviously there are people who are hard cases and can’t find anywhere else to live or can’t find work, and that is what the fund is for.”

Mr Cameron called in to Bolton on a trip to the north.

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8:17am Sat 14 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Con Man Cameron will look at nothing he is a liar just like all the other political partys who have destroyed and ruined this Country over the last 30 yrs. They have all let us down very badly. Come on ukip!
Con Man Cameron will look at nothing he is a liar just like all the other political partys who have destroyed and ruined this Country over the last 30 yrs. They have all let us down very badly. Come on ukip! thomas222

10:23am Sat 14 Dec 13

Chrome1 says...

Promising to 'look at' means he's going to do eff all. Rather than the BN being overwhelmed by his presence you should have made a proper demolition job of him. But hang-on this IS the Bolton News, serious journalism belongs elsewhere.
Promising to 'look at' means he's going to do eff all. Rather than the BN being overwhelmed by his presence you should have made a proper demolition job of him. But hang-on this IS the Bolton News, serious journalism belongs elsewhere. Chrome1

10:58am Sat 14 Dec 13

Boltonresident2012 says...

'which is it sensible use of public money to pay extra for people to live in houses with more rooms than they need?'

Does this apply to palaces and large country pads for Royals - counting down now until this comment is removed ....
'which is it sensible use of public money to pay extra for people to live in houses with more rooms than they need?' Does this apply to palaces and large country pads for Royals - counting down now until this comment is removed .... Boltonresident2012

11:43am Sat 14 Dec 13

Bowden Boy says...

Why shouldn't the social house occupiers pay for the rooms they have, the private house owners have always had to pay council tax on the ratable value of the house, which includes the number of bedrooms.
Why shouldn't the social house occupiers pay for the rooms they have, the private house owners have always had to pay council tax on the ratable value of the house, which includes the number of bedrooms. Bowden Boy

12:17pm Sat 14 Dec 13

JJKBolton says...

did he travel on the morning train on his whirlwind visit ? oh sorry he couldnt get on. OK then. or did he not fancy playing sardines ? actions speak louder than words Mr Cameron.
did he travel on the morning train on his whirlwind visit ? oh sorry he couldnt get on. OK then. or did he not fancy playing sardines ? actions speak louder than words Mr Cameron. JJKBolton

12:52pm Sat 14 Dec 13

macauley says...

Cameron and his side kick are liars,as for his promises are like pie crust they break very easy.
Cameron and his side kick are liars,as for his promises are like pie crust they break very easy. macauley

2:15pm Sat 14 Dec 13

wsw69 says...

What utter political tosh! That £37 million would be better shared equally between Bolton and Wigan for them to administer the cash on social housing and health issues.

They are actually giving nothing back to Bolton or Wigan. It's money they have stripped from the local authorities over the lat 3 - 4 years, and we are talking many tens of millions more than £37 million.

It's all about budgets which are all about srtipping money from A - Z, then handing money about from A to B, then B to C and so on to make Joe & Joan Public feel like they are giving/allocating extra funds.

This Prime Minister is an utter failure and to be honest is a c 0 c k. He has actually proven himself many times over the last few years. What serious politician would ever say 'Call me Dave'? or, as he did in South Africa the other day, squeezing in on a photo that Obama was taking. I wouldn't believe Cameron if he told me the time from my own wrist watch.

You just couldn't imagine Winston Churchill, Harold Wilson, Ted Heath and their like ever getting up to or saying such things.

All the money local governments have had taken away from them has mostly, if not all, been allocated to major projects down in the south, south east and those areas.
What utter political tosh! That £37 million would be better shared equally between Bolton and Wigan for them to administer the cash on social housing and health issues. They are actually giving nothing back to Bolton or Wigan. It's money they have stripped from the local authorities over the lat 3 - 4 years, and we are talking many tens of millions more than £37 million. It's all about budgets which are all about srtipping money from A - Z, then handing money about from A to B, then B to C and so on to make Joe & Joan Public feel like they are giving/allocating extra funds. This Prime Minister is an utter failure and to be honest is a c 0 c k. He has actually proven himself many times over the last few years. What serious politician would ever say 'Call me Dave'? or, as he did in South Africa the other day, squeezing in on a photo that Obama was taking. I wouldn't believe Cameron if he told me the time from my own wrist watch. You just couldn't imagine Winston Churchill, Harold Wilson, Ted Heath and their like ever getting up to or saying such things. All the money local governments have had taken away from them has mostly, if not all, been allocated to major projects down in the south, south east and those areas. wsw69

3:22pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Beyond News Forum says...

Revolution Begins In Bolton!

How about that for a headline Bolton News?

Wait... do we have the same ridiculous terrorism laws here in the UK about government hate speak?

Guess what? Cameron is a fecking criminal and should be hung for treason along with his other political friends and the dross within Parliament.

Banksters and the Bonus Mob should be put in front of a firing squad...

I guess I will be reporting next after a cop has knocked on my door arresting me on behalf of his corporate friends and fictional characters in the House of Commons.

BS!!!!!
Revolution Begins In Bolton! How about that for a headline Bolton News? Wait... do we have the same ridiculous terrorism laws here in the UK about government hate speak? Guess what? Cameron is a fecking criminal and should be hung for treason along with his other political friends and the dross within Parliament. Banksters and the Bonus Mob should be put in front of a firing squad... I guess I will be reporting next after a cop has knocked on my door arresting me on behalf of his corporate friends and fictional characters in the House of Commons. BS!!!!! Beyond News Forum

3:36pm Sat 14 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Con Man Cameron will look at nothing he is a liar just like all the other political partys who have destroyed and ruined this Country over the last 30 yrs. They have all let us down very badly. Come on ukip!
Double standards !
Those in the south with new train sets versus those in the north riding on the cast offs from the south east......

Lip service this is a labour stronghold he couldn't give two hoots about crowded trains only hs2 vanity project just as Tony Blair squandered Billions on the dome.
Only interested in relocating asylum seekers in Bolton using up precious social housing and local GPs resource ant council tax payers expense.

UKIP all the way there will be a big shock to the main three parties too little too late.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Con Man Cameron will look at nothing he is a liar just like all the other political partys who have destroyed and ruined this Country over the last 30 yrs. They have all let us down very badly. Come on ukip![/p][/quote]Double standards ! Those in the south with new train sets versus those in the north riding on the cast offs from the south east...... Lip service this is a labour stronghold he couldn't give two hoots about crowded trains only hs2 vanity project just as Tony Blair squandered Billions on the dome. Only interested in relocating asylum seekers in Bolton using up precious social housing and local GPs resource ant council tax payers expense. UKIP all the way there will be a big shock to the main three parties too little too late. serendipity2

5:51pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

With there being a general election within the next 18 months, you bet he will be looking at Bolton's overcrowded train problem. Bolton North West is a key Labour marginal, he's going to have to deliver something special to win Bolton North West!

He might be better disposed to look at the Daisy Hill Line as Westhoughton could swing the vote!
With there being a general election within the next 18 months, you bet he will be looking at Bolton's overcrowded train problem. Bolton North West is a key Labour marginal, he's going to have to deliver something special to win Bolton North West! He might be better disposed to look at the Daisy Hill Line as Westhoughton could swing the vote! Ernagy2

5:54pm Sat 14 Dec 13

wsw69 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Revolution Begins In Bolton!

How about that for a headline Bolton News?

Wait... do we have the same ridiculous terrorism laws here in the UK about government hate speak?

Guess what? Cameron is a fecking criminal and should be hung for treason along with his other political friends and the dross within Parliament.

Banksters and the Bonus Mob should be put in front of a firing squad...

I guess I will be reporting next after a cop has knocked on my door arresting me on behalf of his corporate friends and fictional characters in the House of Commons.

BS!!!!!
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Revolution Begins In Bolton! How about that for a headline Bolton News? Wait... do we have the same ridiculous terrorism laws here in the UK about government hate speak? Guess what? Cameron is a fecking criminal and should be hung for treason along with his other political friends and the dross within Parliament. Banksters and the Bonus Mob should be put in front of a firing squad... I guess I will be reporting next after a cop has knocked on my door arresting me on behalf of his corporate friends and fictional characters in the House of Commons. BS!!!!![/p][/quote]Spot on. wsw69

5:57pm Sat 14 Dec 13

wsw69 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
With there being a general election within the next 18 months, you bet he will be looking at Bolton's overcrowded train problem. Bolton North West is a key Labour marginal, he's going to have to deliver something special to win Bolton North West!

He might be better disposed to look at the Daisy Hill Line as Westhoughton could swing the vote!
If you believe the BS you've just posted ....................
....................

Which glasses are you looking through? That pompous idiot whose title is Prime Minister is so far removed from normal and ordinary hard working people of this country, he really couldn't give a flying F A R T about us in Bolton.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: With there being a general election within the next 18 months, you bet he will be looking at Bolton's overcrowded train problem. Bolton North West is a key Labour marginal, he's going to have to deliver something special to win Bolton North West! He might be better disposed to look at the Daisy Hill Line as Westhoughton could swing the vote![/p][/quote]If you believe the BS you've just posted .................... .................... Which glasses are you looking through? That pompous idiot whose title is Prime Minister is so far removed from normal and ordinary hard working people of this country, he really couldn't give a flying F A R T about us in Bolton. wsw69

6:24pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

wsw69 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
With there being a general election within the next 18 months, you bet he will be looking at Bolton's overcrowded train problem. Bolton North West is a key Labour marginal, he's going to have to deliver something special to win Bolton North West!

He might be better disposed to look at the Daisy Hill Line as Westhoughton could swing the vote!
If you believe the BS you've just posted ....................

....................

Which glasses are you looking through? That pompous idiot whose title is Prime Minister is so far removed from normal and ordinary hard working people of this country, he really couldn't give a flying F A R T about us in Bolton.
I'm looking through cynical glasses. He has an election to win. How do you think he's going to do it? He needs Bolton North West to vote Tory to get his plans sorted. Adding a couple of carriages here and there won't add much to the National budget and may help him get a few votes. After all the Labour candidate only won by a narrow margin (100 votes? or so). He's got to weigh up where he's going to get the votes from to win the next election, which as I say is a year and half away. Both parties are going to promise the earth in the next few months, an outgoing Tory Prime Minister might just give a sweetner.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: With there being a general election within the next 18 months, you bet he will be looking at Bolton's overcrowded train problem. Bolton North West is a key Labour marginal, he's going to have to deliver something special to win Bolton North West! He might be better disposed to look at the Daisy Hill Line as Westhoughton could swing the vote![/p][/quote]If you believe the BS you've just posted .................... .................... Which glasses are you looking through? That pompous idiot whose title is Prime Minister is so far removed from normal and ordinary hard working people of this country, he really couldn't give a flying F A R T about us in Bolton.[/p][/quote]I'm looking through cynical glasses. He has an election to win. How do you think he's going to do it? He needs Bolton North West to vote Tory to get his plans sorted. Adding a couple of carriages here and there won't add much to the National budget and may help him get a few votes. After all the Labour candidate only won by a narrow margin (100 votes? or so). He's got to weigh up where he's going to get the votes from to win the next election, which as I say is a year and half away. Both parties are going to promise the earth in the next few months, an outgoing Tory Prime Minister might just give a sweetner. Ernagy2

6:39pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Frogger123 says...

David Cameron should accompany me on the (now reduced carriage) 8.08 or the 7.35 to manchester oxford road for a week. After that he will be in no doubt what an over crowded train is like and what us unfortunate commuters have to put up with.
David Cameron should accompany me on the (now reduced carriage) 8.08 or the 7.35 to manchester oxford road for a week. After that he will be in no doubt what an over crowded train is like and what us unfortunate commuters have to put up with. Frogger123

6:43pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Its not a joke says...

I now know why Northern rail put on an extra carriage on the 8.53 Hall i th Wood to Bolton service yesterday, (Friday) it was just to show the PM that there is no over crowding after all!!.. It's a good job he didn't want to catch it though, as he would have been late for his meeting, as once again it was running late..
I now know why Northern rail put on an extra carriage on the 8.53 Hall i th Wood to Bolton service yesterday, (Friday) it was just to show the PM that there is no over crowding after all!!.. It's a good job he didn't want to catch it though, as he would have been late for his meeting, as once again it was running late.. Its not a joke

10:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

davroduk1 says...

I think we all agree that the trains are sheite.
He dont give a fook.
Next question ????
I think we all agree that the trains are sheite. He dont give a fook. Next question ???? davroduk1

11:06pm Sat 14 Dec 13

bwfc58 says...

If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London
If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London bwfc58

5:39am Sun 15 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

bwfc58 wrote:
If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London
ukip have just commisioned recently a poll that is more realistic than the polls at present. There are going to be some worried mps come tuesday when the results are published. come on ukip!
[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London[/p][/quote]ukip have just commisioned recently a poll that is more realistic than the polls at present. There are going to be some worried mps come tuesday when the results are published. come on ukip! thomas222

8:53pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Lynn57 says...

I assume that Cameron did not travel on the 08.55 at to Manchester ?? I have also heard a whisper that Northern Rail put another carriage on.
I assume that Cameron did not travel on the 08.55 at to Manchester ?? I have also heard a whisper that Northern Rail put another carriage on. Lynn57

9:10pm Sun 15 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
bwfc58 wrote:
If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London
ukip have just commisioned recently a poll that is more realistic than the polls at present. There are going to be some worried mps come tuesday when the results are published. come on ukip!
Propaganda, then, at its best!!!! It they have commissioned it, then it will be in their favour anyone can commission a poll and make it in their favour if the money is being spent!. I could order a poll and it would show the UKIP are failing on their points - its easy to do!!!

Right lets get this right.....

Cameron has promised to LOOK into trying to get extra carriages! Firstly as already been stated many times there are NO spare carriages anywhere in the country so that would mean taking rolling stock from another TOC thus just shifting the problem. Ordering new rolling stock would not be the answer as it would take up to 3 years for it to be ordered, made, tested and driver trained before actually entering service. So yes he can promise to look into the situation be he hasn't promised that we will get the carriages!!!! Also, as someone else has said, there is a General Election looming in 18 months time so the false promises for ALL parties has already started just for the votes!!!

But lets have a laugh at UKIP whilst we are awaiting with baited breath. UKIP policy is wanting a high speed route between the South and the North East BUT they want to scrap HS2 to the North West and replace it with NOTHING (if you don't believe me then just read it on their website - http://www.ukip.org/
)!!! Yes, even, UKIP hates the North West and outs the North East before us!!!

I have had an enjoyable weekend travelling on a 12 coach double-decker train between Den Haag and Zwolle via Amsterdam Central and even a 6 coach single decker between Almere Centrum and Schiphol via Amsterdam Zuid!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London[/p][/quote]ukip have just commisioned recently a poll that is more realistic than the polls at present. There are going to be some worried mps come tuesday when the results are published. come on ukip![/p][/quote]Propaganda, then, at its best!!!! It they have commissioned it, then it will be in their favour anyone can commission a poll and make it in their favour if the money is being spent!. I could order a poll and it would show the UKIP are failing on their points - its easy to do!!! Right lets get this right..... Cameron has promised to LOOK into trying to get extra carriages! Firstly as already been stated many times there are NO spare carriages anywhere in the country so that would mean taking rolling stock from another TOC thus just shifting the problem. Ordering new rolling stock would not be the answer as it would take up to 3 years for it to be ordered, made, tested and driver trained before actually entering service. So yes he can promise to look into the situation be he hasn't promised that we will get the carriages!!!! Also, as someone else has said, there is a General Election looming in 18 months time so the false promises for ALL parties has already started just for the votes!!! But lets have a laugh at UKIP whilst we are awaiting with baited breath. UKIP policy is wanting a high speed route between the South and the North East BUT they want to scrap HS2 to the North West and replace it with NOTHING (if you don't believe me then just read it on their website - http://www.ukip.org/ )!!! Yes, even, UKIP hates the North West and outs the North East before us!!! I have had an enjoyable weekend travelling on a 12 coach double-decker train between Den Haag and Zwolle via Amsterdam Central and even a 6 coach single decker between Almere Centrum and Schiphol via Amsterdam Zuid! BWFC71

9:59pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Beyond News Forum says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
bwfc58 wrote:
If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London
ukip have just commisioned recently a poll that is more realistic than the polls at present. There are going to be some worried mps come tuesday when the results are published. come on ukip!
Propaganda, then, at its best!!!! It they have commissioned it, then it will be in their favour anyone can commission a poll and make it in their favour if the money is being spent!. I could order a poll and it would show the UKIP are failing on their points - its easy to do!!!

Right lets get this right.....

Cameron has promised to LOOK into trying to get extra carriages! Firstly as already been stated many times there are NO spare carriages anywhere in the country so that would mean taking rolling stock from another TOC thus just shifting the problem. Ordering new rolling stock would not be the answer as it would take up to 3 years for it to be ordered, made, tested and driver trained before actually entering service. So yes he can promise to look into the situation be he hasn't promised that we will get the carriages!!!! Also, as someone else has said, there is a General Election looming in 18 months time so the false promises for ALL parties has already started just for the votes!!!

But lets have a laugh at UKIP whilst we are awaiting with baited breath. UKIP policy is wanting a high speed route between the South and the North East BUT they want to scrap HS2 to the North West and replace it with NOTHING (if you don't believe me then just read it on their website - http://www.ukip.org/

)!!! Yes, even, UKIP hates the North West and outs the North East before us!!!

I have had an enjoyable weekend travelling on a 12 coach double-decker train between Den Haag and Zwolle via Amsterdam Central and even a 6 coach single decker between Almere Centrum and Schiphol via Amsterdam Zuid!
Yes but we have the wrong type of leaves and trampolines on the tracks for those trains. Not forgetting the wrong type of snow, wrong type of wind, wrong type of tracks, wrong type of ticket pricing, wrong type of fuel and the wrong type of government to back any type of scheme introducing a re-nationalised service where the money goes back into rail rather than shareholders and CEO's.

As for propaganda... well all of it is propaganda is it not? Fictitious and erroneous... POTS & PANS revolution my friend...it is the only way.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London[/p][/quote]ukip have just commisioned recently a poll that is more realistic than the polls at present. There are going to be some worried mps come tuesday when the results are published. come on ukip![/p][/quote]Propaganda, then, at its best!!!! It they have commissioned it, then it will be in their favour anyone can commission a poll and make it in their favour if the money is being spent!. I could order a poll and it would show the UKIP are failing on their points - its easy to do!!! Right lets get this right..... Cameron has promised to LOOK into trying to get extra carriages! Firstly as already been stated many times there are NO spare carriages anywhere in the country so that would mean taking rolling stock from another TOC thus just shifting the problem. Ordering new rolling stock would not be the answer as it would take up to 3 years for it to be ordered, made, tested and driver trained before actually entering service. So yes he can promise to look into the situation be he hasn't promised that we will get the carriages!!!! Also, as someone else has said, there is a General Election looming in 18 months time so the false promises for ALL parties has already started just for the votes!!! But lets have a laugh at UKIP whilst we are awaiting with baited breath. UKIP policy is wanting a high speed route between the South and the North East BUT they want to scrap HS2 to the North West and replace it with NOTHING (if you don't believe me then just read it on their website - http://www.ukip.org/ )!!! Yes, even, UKIP hates the North West and outs the North East before us!!! I have had an enjoyable weekend travelling on a 12 coach double-decker train between Den Haag and Zwolle via Amsterdam Central and even a 6 coach single decker between Almere Centrum and Schiphol via Amsterdam Zuid![/p][/quote]Yes but we have the wrong type of leaves and trampolines on the tracks for those trains. Not forgetting the wrong type of snow, wrong type of wind, wrong type of tracks, wrong type of ticket pricing, wrong type of fuel and the wrong type of government to back any type of scheme introducing a re-nationalised service where the money goes back into rail rather than shareholders and CEO's. As for propaganda... well all of it is propaganda is it not? Fictitious and erroneous... POTS & PANS revolution my friend...it is the only way. Beyond News Forum

10:10pm Sun 15 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

But the Dutch system is NOT a nationalised service, as there is a company for the rail infrastructure, 5 train operating companies, 2 cargo train companies, 1 cleaning company, 1 company for the stations. But the difference is that it is more regulated than ours and because of that extra regulation is works.

But for ALL parties public transport will never be high on their lists due to the fact it is not a vote winner and any people affected by overcrowding or poor service etc etc etc will never equate to gaining votes. But if everyone could see how badly our whole public transport infrastructure is compared to countries like The Netherlands or Germany and start complaining it would become a major policy - but until that happens it is just a minority!
But the Dutch system is NOT a nationalised service, as there is a company for the rail infrastructure, 5 train operating companies, 2 cargo train companies, 1 cleaning company, 1 company for the stations. But the difference is that it is more regulated than ours and because of that extra regulation is works. But for ALL parties public transport will never be high on their lists due to the fact it is not a vote winner and any people affected by overcrowding or poor service etc etc etc will never equate to gaining votes. But if everyone could see how badly our whole public transport infrastructure is compared to countries like The Netherlands or Germany and start complaining it would become a major policy - but until that happens it is just a minority! BWFC71

10:24am Mon 16 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
bwfc58 wrote: If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London
ukip have just commisioned recently a poll that is more realistic than the polls at present. There are going to be some worried mps come tuesday when the results are published. come on ukip!
Propaganda, then, at its best!!!! It they have commissioned it, then it will be in their favour anyone can commission a poll and make it in their favour if the money is being spent!. I could order a poll and it would show the UKIP are failing on their points - its easy to do!!! Right lets get this right..... Cameron has promised to LOOK into trying to get extra carriages! Firstly as already been stated many times there are NO spare carriages anywhere in the country so that would mean taking rolling stock from another TOC thus just shifting the problem. Ordering new rolling stock would not be the answer as it would take up to 3 years for it to be ordered, made, tested and driver trained before actually entering service. So yes he can promise to look into the situation be he hasn't promised that we will get the carriages!!!! Also, as someone else has said, there is a General Election looming in 18 months time so the false promises for ALL parties has already started just for the votes!!! But lets have a laugh at UKIP whilst we are awaiting with baited breath. UKIP policy is wanting a high speed route between the South and the North East BUT they want to scrap HS2 to the North West and replace it with NOTHING (if you don't believe me then just read it on their website - http://www.ukip.org/ )!!! Yes, even, UKIP hates the North West and outs the North East before us!!! I have had an enjoyable weekend travelling on a 12 coach double-decker train between Den Haag and Zwolle via Amsterdam Central and even a 6 coach single decker between Almere Centrum and Schiphol via Amsterdam Zuid!
You dont vote so you have no input to make.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: If every one on here posting comments vote for UKIP from now on and also get there friends and family to also vote UKIP we all could rid this once great country of all of the 3 main parties that promise us all every thing yet give us all nothing once they are elected well unless you live in London[/p][/quote]ukip have just commisioned recently a poll that is more realistic than the polls at present. There are going to be some worried mps come tuesday when the results are published. come on ukip![/p][/quote]Propaganda, then, at its best!!!! It they have commissioned it, then it will be in their favour anyone can commission a poll and make it in their favour if the money is being spent!. I could order a poll and it would show the UKIP are failing on their points - its easy to do!!! Right lets get this right..... Cameron has promised to LOOK into trying to get extra carriages! Firstly as already been stated many times there are NO spare carriages anywhere in the country so that would mean taking rolling stock from another TOC thus just shifting the problem. Ordering new rolling stock would not be the answer as it would take up to 3 years for it to be ordered, made, tested and driver trained before actually entering service. So yes he can promise to look into the situation be he hasn't promised that we will get the carriages!!!! Also, as someone else has said, there is a General Election looming in 18 months time so the false promises for ALL parties has already started just for the votes!!! But lets have a laugh at UKIP whilst we are awaiting with baited breath. UKIP policy is wanting a high speed route between the South and the North East BUT they want to scrap HS2 to the North West and replace it with NOTHING (if you don't believe me then just read it on their website - http://www.ukip.org/ )!!! Yes, even, UKIP hates the North West and outs the North East before us!!! I have had an enjoyable weekend travelling on a 12 coach double-decker train between Den Haag and Zwolle via Amsterdam Central and even a 6 coach single decker between Almere Centrum and Schiphol via Amsterdam Zuid![/p][/quote]You dont vote so you have no input to make. thomas222

2:12pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

I take my DEMOCRATIC RIGHT not to vote as none of the parties give the majority of what I require. The British constitution GIVES me the right to have an input whether I vote or not!

Therefore I still have an input to make, all thanks to democracy!

Now you ought to learn about democracy before you post again, rather than trying to be a NAZI (or should I say UKIP) believer - next on the propaganda train for UKIP will be training camps 9oops Horwich has one) and then learning to goose step and then learning about gas efficiency!!!!!!
I take my DEMOCRATIC RIGHT not to vote as none of the parties give the majority of what I require. The British constitution GIVES me the right to have an input whether I vote or not! Therefore I still have an input to make, all thanks to democracy! Now you ought to learn about democracy before you post again, rather than trying to be a NAZI (or should I say UKIP) believer - next on the propaganda train for UKIP will be training camps 9oops Horwich has one) and then learning to goose step and then learning about gas efficiency!!!!!! The Righteous One

2:26pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Thomas what is UKIP's policy on public transport?

- why you keep avoiding the question, as if you are a UKIP believer, you should easily know the answer!
Thomas what is UKIP's policy on public transport? - why you keep avoiding the question, as if you are a UKIP believer, you should easily know the answer! The Righteous One

2:26pm Mon 16 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
I take my DEMOCRATIC RIGHT not to vote as none of the parties give the majority of what I require. The British constitution GIVES me the right to have an input whether I vote or not! Therefore I still have an input to make, all thanks to democracy! Now you ought to learn about democracy before you post again, rather than trying to be a NAZI (or should I say UKIP) believer - next on the propaganda train for UKIP will be training camps 9oops Horwich has one) and then learning to goose step and then learning about gas efficiency!!!!!!
You dont vote and yes its your right and its my right to say you should have no debates as you have no input that counts ..... you are so afraid of ukip arnt you!!! lol.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: I take my DEMOCRATIC RIGHT not to vote as none of the parties give the majority of what I require. The British constitution GIVES me the right to have an input whether I vote or not! Therefore I still have an input to make, all thanks to democracy! Now you ought to learn about democracy before you post again, rather than trying to be a NAZI (or should I say UKIP) believer - next on the propaganda train for UKIP will be training camps 9oops Horwich has one) and then learning to goose step and then learning about gas efficiency!!!!!![/p][/quote]You dont vote and yes its your right and its my right to say you should have no debates as you have no input that counts ..... you are so afraid of ukip arnt you!!! lol. thomas222

2:30pm Mon 16 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas what is UKIP's policy on public transport? - why you keep avoiding the question, as if you are a UKIP believer, you should easily know the answer!
Forget the stupid waste of 42 billion on hs2 thank god.......
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas what is UKIP's policy on public transport? - why you keep avoiding the question, as if you are a UKIP believer, you should easily know the answer![/p][/quote]Forget the stupid waste of 42 billion on hs2 thank god....... thomas222

2:37pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas what is UKIP's policy on public transport? - why you keep avoiding the question, as if you are a UKIP believer, you should easily know the answer!
Forget the stupid waste of 42 billion on hs2 thank god.......
Why should I be afraid of UKIP when it is avery hypocritical party.

They want to abandon the HS2 which will not cost money to do so.

But instead of using the 42 billion to improve trains in the northwest they will use that money, plus abnother 25-30 billion to build a new high speed line from Exeter to Newcastle via London!!!

So again what is their policy on public transport?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas what is UKIP's policy on public transport? - why you keep avoiding the question, as if you are a UKIP believer, you should easily know the answer![/p][/quote]Forget the stupid waste of 42 billion on hs2 thank god.......[/p][/quote]Why should I be afraid of UKIP when it is avery hypocritical party. They want to abandon the HS2 which will not cost money to do so. But instead of using the 42 billion to improve trains in the northwest they will use that money, plus abnother 25-30 billion to build a new high speed line from Exeter to Newcastle via London!!! So again what is their policy on public transport? The Righteous One

2:48pm Mon 16 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: Thomas what is UKIP's policy on public transport? - why you keep avoiding the question, as if you are a UKIP believer, you should easily know the answer!
Forget the stupid waste of 42 billion on hs2 thank god.......
Why should I be afraid of UKIP when it is avery hypocritical party. They want to abandon the HS2 which will not cost money to do so. But instead of using the 42 billion to improve trains in the northwest they will use that money, plus abnother 25-30 billion to build a new high speed line from Exeter to Newcastle via London!!! So again what is their policy on public transport?
You dont vote so what is the point having any further debate with you. To be a keyboard warrior is a waste of space as they only talk criticise yet never act! Bye loser!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas what is UKIP's policy on public transport? - why you keep avoiding the question, as if you are a UKIP believer, you should easily know the answer![/p][/quote]Forget the stupid waste of 42 billion on hs2 thank god.......[/p][/quote]Why should I be afraid of UKIP when it is avery hypocritical party. They want to abandon the HS2 which will not cost money to do so. But instead of using the 42 billion to improve trains in the northwest they will use that money, plus abnother 25-30 billion to build a new high speed line from Exeter to Newcastle via London!!! So again what is their policy on public transport?[/p][/quote]You dont vote so what is the point having any further debate with you. To be a keyboard warrior is a waste of space as they only talk criticise yet never act! Bye loser! thomas222

7:40pm Mon 16 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Oh Thomas, if you want UKIP to win anything then you should be trying to win my vote rather than lose it as I have a voice and I can tell as many people as I want about you not wanting UKIP to gain mine or their votes.

Yes I may be a floating voter but its the like of me UKIP and any other political party has to try to win over to win any sort of elections and your attempt at my democratic right not to vote and as such n voice only disenfranchises me even more to your party, rather than making the links stronger for the one or more extra votes!!!

As I keep saying, you really ought to learn how to ply politics rather than being ignorant as you currently are!!!


And one more thing, I have probably got more things done in many of my campaigns than the days you have tried to be a keyboard warrior. One has more chance of getting things done when NOT affiliated to a political party because politicians want votes and not pat on backs!!!
Oh Thomas, if you want UKIP to win anything then you should be trying to win my vote rather than lose it as I have a voice and I can tell as many people as I want about you not wanting UKIP to gain mine or their votes. Yes I may be a floating voter but its the like of me UKIP and any other political party has to try to win over to win any sort of elections and your attempt at my democratic right not to vote and as such n voice only disenfranchises me even more to your party, rather than making the links stronger for the one or more extra votes!!! As I keep saying, you really ought to learn how to ply politics rather than being ignorant as you currently are!!! And one more thing, I have probably got more things done in many of my campaigns than the days you have tried to be a keyboard warrior. One has more chance of getting things done when NOT affiliated to a political party because politicians want votes and not pat on backs!!! BWFC71

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