Care centre for elderly to be shut down

The Bolton News: Firwood House Firwood House

A CARE centre where older people recover after they have been discharged from hospital is being closed down.

The move is to allow people to be looked after in their own homes instead.

Bolton Council bosses will shut Firwood House in Crompton Way and transform another centre into a day care-only facility under proposals to re-organise the way intermediate care is delivered across Bolton’s four care facilities.

Town hall chiefs insist it is not a cost-cutting measure and will improve the way older people are cared for.

Leader of the council, Cllr Cliff Morris, said: “If given the option, many people who fall ill would prefer to stay at home first before having to leave their familiar surroundings, and nationally this is the proven route to recovery.

“Overall, there will be an improvement in the quality and quantity of intermediate care services and local residents will receive the right care, at the right time and in the right place.”

Currently, the council provides 80 intermediate care beds across four sites — Darley Court, Alderbank, Winifred Kettle and Firwood.

Intermediate care aims to help people recover from illness as quickly as possible. This can be at hospital, at home, or in an intermediate care home.

New proposals will see the number of beds reduced to 62 across two sites next summer at Laburnum Lodge in Harwood and Darley Court in Halliwell.

Intermediate care and short-term respite beds at Winifred Kettle will shut, but the building will still run its day centre services as an older people’s wellbeing centre.

Firwood’s intermediate care beds would be incorporated into Laburnum Lodge and its day services transferred to nearby Thicketford Day Centre.

Intermediate care beds at Alderbank would also transfer to Laburnum Lodge and the day centre would transfer to Great Lever Park Lodge, which is undergoing refurbishment.

The council insists intermediate care staff will not lose their jobs but say there is a risk of redundancy for catering and cleaning staff.

Laburnum Lodge is an existing care home, which currently provides longer-term care but will incorporate those needing intermediate care.


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Cllr Andy Morgan said: “Intermediate care is a brilliant system and I agree that we need to try to deliver more care in people’s homes.

“My only concern is that reducing the number of intermediate beds could prevent patients from making that step from hospital care to their own homes. I just hope it does not result in bed blocking.”

The council intends to implement the plans by April.

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8:49am Mon 16 Dec 13

mililly says...

Looked after in their own home by who?....I can see where their coming from and yes most people would prefer to beIin their own home. But at whatcost district nurses are already overworked with no breaks on a sometimes 9hr day...
Looked after in their own home by who?....I can see where their coming from and yes most people would prefer to beIin their own home. But at whatcost district nurses are already overworked with no breaks on a sometimes 9hr day... mililly

9:11am Mon 16 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

so the old person sits alone at home with no one to interact with all day waiting for the carers to come in - often not at the times convenient to them, but possibly long after their normal bed time, or getting up time, or in the middle of their afternoon nap to attend to dressings etc., or two hours after they have wet themselves because they cannot get to the loo. The trouble with home care is that everyone seems to need the same attention at the same time - which is why the carers run themselves ragged and the person requiring care feels neglected. I think that if I ever found myself in this situation I would just give in. Sorry folk, but that is how I feel.
so the old person sits alone at home with no one to interact with all day waiting for the carers to come in - often not at the times convenient to them, but possibly long after their normal bed time, or getting up time, or in the middle of their afternoon nap to attend to dressings etc., or two hours after they have wet themselves because they cannot get to the loo. The trouble with home care is that everyone seems to need the same attention at the same time - which is why the carers run themselves ragged and the person requiring care feels neglected. I think that if I ever found myself in this situation I would just give in. Sorry folk, but that is how I feel. oftbewildered2

9:19am Mon 16 Dec 13

Balboa says...

With an ageing population, living for longer, how does our inept council leader see that improved care can be delivered at home?
With an ageing population, living for longer, how does our inept council leader see that improved care can be delivered at home? Balboa

10:44am Mon 16 Dec 13

rnorris says...

Of course this is a money saving move. This is Cliff Morris were talking about. As long as theres money in the kitty for expenses. Sooner we vote to replace many on the councillors the better. They've destroyed a once proud Bolton.
Of course this is a money saving move. This is Cliff Morris were talking about. As long as theres money in the kitty for expenses. Sooner we vote to replace many on the councillors the better. They've destroyed a once proud Bolton. rnorris

11:12am Mon 16 Dec 13

Lisacoote says...

I work at the royal Bolton and have also worked at Darley Court there are waiting lists as long as your arm for these places! The elderly are assessed while in hospital to see if they are fit to go home or if they need an intermediate care place, so now we are just going to send all the elderly home? To what? Most elderly people I speak to have no family near by and say to me "we'll I've got good neighbours" are we expecting their elderly neighbours to look after these people? Completely ridiculous! I just hope Cliff Morris that you've got good family that will look after you when you need it! What goes around comes around!
I work at the royal Bolton and have also worked at Darley Court there are waiting lists as long as your arm for these places! The elderly are assessed while in hospital to see if they are fit to go home or if they need an intermediate care place, so now we are just going to send all the elderly home? To what? Most elderly people I speak to have no family near by and say to me "we'll I've got good neighbours" are we expecting their elderly neighbours to look after these people? Completely ridiculous! I just hope Cliff Morris that you've got good family that will look after you when you need it! What goes around comes around! Lisacoote

11:52am Mon 16 Dec 13

JJKBolton says...

Cllr Andy Morgan said: “Intermediate care is a brilliant system and I agree that we need to try to deliver more care in people’s homes.

“My only concern is that reducing the number of intermediate beds could prevent patients from making that step from hospital care to their own homes. I just hope it does not result in bed blocking.”

Slight correction Cllr Morgan. BED BLOCKING ALREADY EXISTS, so what the council intend doing will quite simply further aggravate the situation.

Do the hospitals know about these pending "improvements" and what do they think.
Cllr Andy Morgan said: “Intermediate care is a brilliant system and I agree that we need to try to deliver more care in people’s homes. “My only concern is that reducing the number of intermediate beds could prevent patients from making that step from hospital care to their own homes. I just hope it does not result in bed blocking.” Slight correction Cllr Morgan. BED BLOCKING ALREADY EXISTS, so what the council intend doing will quite simply further aggravate the situation. Do the hospitals know about these pending "improvements" and what do they think. JJKBolton

11:56am Mon 16 Dec 13

Chrome1 says...

Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered. Chrome1

12:13pm Mon 16 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

Chrome1 wrote:
Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
that is all well and good - but what if the families themselves are working full time or do not have room in their house for another person? What if they live many miles away? If families do care, they already do as much as they can, and if they cannot be bothered, the quality of care they give will not be good.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]that is all well and good - but what if the families themselves are working full time or do not have room in their house for another person? What if they live many miles away? If families do care, they already do as much as they can, and if they cannot be bothered, the quality of care they give will not be good. oftbewildered2

12:17pm Mon 16 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

Chrome1 ... wheres your mate saj70n disappeared to .... has he gone cleaning his audi q7 s line quatro with his user name reg plate .... somehow i seem to miss his anti white english comments
Chrome1 ... wheres your mate saj70n disappeared to .... has he gone cleaning his audi q7 s line quatro with his user name reg plate .... somehow i seem to miss his anti white english comments lv8151

12:18pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Beyond News Forum says...

DO NOT GET OLD IN THIS COUNTRY!

Some of you will be pleased to hear that before I go down the route of having to rely on family or the government to look after me I will end it myself.

It is sad that our elderly who did so much for this once great country are being kicked in the snoodlies.

Did Cliff Morris see the reports of the blind woman that has been left to fend for herself at home recently? Councils have stopped funding even the most basic of needs because it will cost £2-billion. Yet il out the banks, sell off the bank shares they bought for half of what they paid.

UNBELIEVABLE!!!
DO NOT GET OLD IN THIS COUNTRY! Some of you will be pleased to hear that before I go down the route of having to rely on family or the government to look after me I will end it myself. It is sad that our elderly who did so much for this once great country are being kicked in the snoodlies. Did Cliff Morris see the reports of the blind woman that has been left to fend for herself at home recently? Councils have stopped funding even the most basic of needs because it will cost £2-billion. Yet il out the banks, sell off the bank shares they bought for half of what they paid. UNBELIEVABLE!!! Beyond News Forum

12:19pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Beyond News Forum says...

BAIL OUT BANKS BTW... Finger slip.
BAIL OUT BANKS BTW... Finger slip. Beyond News Forum

12:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

atlas123 says...

We need more of these facilities not less, to reduce bed blocking in the hospitals....

Perhaps the NHS could take over the centre?
We need more of these facilities not less, to reduce bed blocking in the hospitals.... Perhaps the NHS could take over the centre? atlas123

1:02pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Chrome1 says...

lv8151 wrote:
Chrome1 ... wheres your mate saj70n disappeared to .... has he gone cleaning his audi q7 s line quatro with his user name reg plate .... somehow i seem to miss his anti white english comments
Saj70 has probably got some duffer to clean his motor. Mine needs doing too so will see if he can spare him. 10 cigs for a full valet will be reasonable I think.
Plus Iv8151, you're missing some question marks in your statement. Try to keep up to my standards please.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: Chrome1 ... wheres your mate saj70n disappeared to .... has he gone cleaning his audi q7 s line quatro with his user name reg plate .... somehow i seem to miss his anti white english comments[/p][/quote]Saj70 has probably got some duffer to clean his motor. Mine needs doing too so will see if he can spare him. 10 cigs for a full valet will be reasonable I think. Plus Iv8151, you're missing some question marks in your statement. Try to keep up to my standards please. Chrome1

1:09pm Mon 16 Dec 13

boltonnut says...

King Midas in reverse,every thing the Obese one touches turns to excrement,But they do say where there's excrement there is gold.
King Midas in reverse,every thing the Obese one touches turns to excrement,But they do say where there's excrement there is gold. boltonnut

1:33pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Browny91 says...

Chrome1 wrote:
Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
Well I hope you are never put in this position, some families have jobs and children to care for without being full time carers on top of this!

Also, what about those who work in these homes? Yes they may keep their jobs but what the Bolton News has failed to report is the fact that they could be transferred to work at another home but with reduced hours!
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]Well I hope you are never put in this position, some families have jobs and children to care for without being full time carers on top of this! Also, what about those who work in these homes? Yes they may keep their jobs but what the Bolton News has failed to report is the fact that they could be transferred to work at another home but with reduced hours! Browny91

1:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Chrome1 says...

Browny91 wrote:
Chrome1 wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
Well I hope you are never put in this position, some families have jobs and children to care for without being full time carers on top of this! Also, what about those who work in these homes? Yes they may keep their jobs but what the Bolton News has failed to report is the fact that they could be transferred to work at another home but with reduced hours!
It's a bit like saying hope the crime rate goes up, keeps the coppers in a job.
[quote][p][bold]Browny91[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]Well I hope you are never put in this position, some families have jobs and children to care for without being full time carers on top of this! Also, what about those who work in these homes? Yes they may keep their jobs but what the Bolton News has failed to report is the fact that they could be transferred to work at another home but with reduced hours![/p][/quote]It's a bit like saying hope the crime rate goes up, keeps the coppers in a job. Chrome1

1:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Love Bolton says...

I suspect having funds allocated by service rather than as a whole to look after the elderly will drive more of these types of decisions. The council has lost a lot of funds and having these centres was a nice to have but with no funding they have to cut out all nice to haves. The hospitals can't let them leave unless they have adequate arrangements in place, so will have to press the doctors who are now responsible for individual's funding (I think) to make a decision about the next steps when they are not longer requiring hospitalisation. It's a shame we can't just say, you are old, you will have needs, here is a long list of choices you can make and the government will pick up the tab from your contributions made.
I suspect having funds allocated by service rather than as a whole to look after the elderly will drive more of these types of decisions. The council has lost a lot of funds and having these centres was a nice to have but with no funding they have to cut out all nice to haves. The hospitals can't let them leave unless they have adequate arrangements in place, so will have to press the doctors who are now responsible for individual's funding (I think) to make a decision about the next steps when they are not longer requiring hospitalisation. It's a shame we can't just say, you are old, you will have needs, here is a long list of choices you can make and the government will pick up the tab from your contributions made. Love Bolton

3:05pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Jim271 says...

And Yet they want to bring in a load of refugees from Syria?

The old people should go out shoplifting and get themselves put in prison, will be better off.
And Yet they want to bring in a load of refugees from Syria? The old people should go out shoplifting and get themselves put in prison, will be better off. Jim271

3:12pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Count de Monet says...

Chrome1 wrote:
Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
You are incorrectly assuming that everyone has family who could look after them following a spell in hospital. Many people don't have close family members living nearby, or possibly, they have no family at all.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]You are incorrectly assuming that everyone has family who could look after them following a spell in hospital. Many people don't have close family members living nearby, or possibly, they have no family at all. Count de Monet

3:22pm Mon 16 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

Don't know why you all bother responding to chrome.
His comments are both irrelevant and from that of a person with a lower than average IQ.
Don't know why you all bother responding to chrome. His comments are both irrelevant and from that of a person with a lower than average IQ. nozza17

4:44pm Mon 16 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

Chrome1 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Chrome1 ... wheres your mate saj70n disappeared to .... has he gone cleaning his audi q7 s line quatro with his user name reg plate .... somehow i seem to miss his anti white english comments
Saj70 has probably got some duffer to clean his motor. Mine needs doing too so will see if he can spare him. 10 cigs for a full valet will be reasonable I think.
Plus Iv8151, you're missing some question marks in your statement. Try to keep up to my standards please.
well i suppose you live and frequent the right areas to find the duffers .... send them over here when they've finished i too can find them work at that price (suppose it beats them working in the local take-away). .. and its no good pulling me on question marks when you can't even spell your partner in crimes user name correctly ( oh the irony)
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: Chrome1 ... wheres your mate saj70n disappeared to .... has he gone cleaning his audi q7 s line quatro with his user name reg plate .... somehow i seem to miss his anti white english comments[/p][/quote]Saj70 has probably got some duffer to clean his motor. Mine needs doing too so will see if he can spare him. 10 cigs for a full valet will be reasonable I think. Plus Iv8151, you're missing some question marks in your statement. Try to keep up to my standards please.[/p][/quote]well i suppose you live and frequent the right areas to find the duffers .... send them over here when they've finished i too can find them work at that price (suppose it beats them working in the local take-away). .. and its no good pulling me on question marks when you can't even spell your partner in crimes user name correctly ( oh the irony) lv8151

5:30pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Lisacoote says...

Chrome1 wrote:
Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
What a ridiculous statement! A lot of our elderly people haven't had any children because the men went off to war to fight for this **** hole of a country and by the time they came back they couldn't have a family!
Would you really expect your child to wait around in this hole of a town (which our council are creating) just so they can look after you in your old age? Because if so I feel sorry for your off spring! I know my parents would not expect that of me I would do it of my own free will.
And if it wasn't for those STRANGERS! Then some of those elderly people would have no one! What do you do for a job by the way?
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous statement! A lot of our elderly people haven't had any children because the men went off to war to fight for this **** hole of a country and by the time they came back they couldn't have a family! Would you really expect your child to wait around in this hole of a town (which our council are creating) just so they can look after you in your old age? Because if so I feel sorry for your off spring! I know my parents would not expect that of me I would do it of my own free will. And if it wasn't for those STRANGERS! Then some of those elderly people would have no one! What do you do for a job by the way? Lisacoote

7:33pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Endoxa says...

When will Councillor Morris wake up and smell the coffee. Places like this are invaluable for trying to get frail elderly people back their feet and be actually ABLE to return home. If he'd had any experience of this then he'd know that this was true. If he hasn't then he should stop pontificating and making ludicrous excuses to save money, whilst throwing it down the drain providing a new 'interchange' to allow people to get out of Bolton even faster!
When will Councillor Morris wake up and smell the coffee. Places like this are invaluable for trying to get frail elderly people back their feet and be actually ABLE to return home. If he'd had any experience of this then he'd know that this was true. If he hasn't then he should stop pontificating and making ludicrous excuses to save money, whilst throwing it down the drain providing a new 'interchange' to allow people to get out of Bolton even faster! Endoxa

7:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bwfc58 says...

This Country as no money Councils are cutting back through lack of money yet this Government can Pledge £500. 0000000 yes that is right £ 500 million pounds to Syria well for one I will be voting UKIP from now on as I have had enough of the 3 main parties they are sending this once great Country to the dogs and yes some of you will agree with me and some will not and before a go as well this Government give £ 35 million pounds to China each and every year and £ 250 million pounds to India each and every year and India are sending a rocket to the moon at a cost of £ 48 million pounds so really the British people have payed for that and I also wonder what of all the £10 billion pounds this Government give out in Aid to many countries every year and Labour do that to when they are in power if they stopped giving all that money out this once great country what never ever need to close any care home or cut back on any public services i.e Police NHS Schools the fire service and I could go on and on so come on UKIP this once great country depends on you to do well in the next Local and National elections.
This Country as no money Councils are cutting back through lack of money yet this Government can Pledge £500. 0000000 yes that is right £ 500 million pounds to Syria well for one I will be voting UKIP from now on as I have had enough of the 3 main parties they are sending this once great Country to the dogs and yes some of you will agree with me and some will not and before a go as well this Government give £ 35 million pounds to China each and every year and £ 250 million pounds to India each and every year and India are sending a rocket to the moon at a cost of £ 48 million pounds so really the British people have payed for that and I also wonder what of all the £10 billion pounds this Government give out in Aid to many countries every year and Labour do that to when they are in power if they stopped giving all that money out this once great country what never ever need to close any care home or cut back on any public services i.e Police NHS Schools the fire service and I could go on and on so come on UKIP this once great country depends on you to do well in the next Local and National elections. bwfc58

8:02pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The original wd says...

so councillor morris thinks people with dementia will be better off on there own at home,as these are people who are cared for there,just proves he doesn't know what he's talking about
so councillor morris thinks people with dementia will be better off on there own at home,as these are people who are cared for there,just proves he doesn't know what he's talking about The original wd

8:42pm Mon 16 Dec 13

oldjourno says...

It is ALL about money! But until people start to put their brains I to gear, stop responding to the idiots who comment on here, and DO something, then nothing will ever change for the good. The future of our borough is in our hands. Stop bleating, become active and change the political structure of Bolton Council - maybe stand as a councillor! Until folk stand up to be counted then nothing will change.
It is ALL about money! But until people start to put their brains I to gear, stop responding to the idiots who comment on here, and DO something, then nothing will ever change for the good. The future of our borough is in our hands. Stop bleating, become active and change the political structure of Bolton Council - maybe stand as a councillor! Until folk stand up to be counted then nothing will change. oldjourno

8:45pm Mon 16 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

No mention from Mr Morris of the dementia cases this home looks after how will new cope in their own homes.

Skirting around the truth of the situation yet again..
No mention from Mr Morris of the dementia cases this home looks after how will new cope in their own homes. Skirting around the truth of the situation yet again.. serendipity2

8:46pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Brumas says...

Lisacoote wrote:
I work at the royal Bolton and have also worked at Darley Court there are waiting lists as long as your arm for these places! The elderly are assessed while in hospital to see if they are fit to go home or if they need an intermediate care place, so now we are just going to send all the elderly home? To what? Most elderly people I speak to have no family near by and say to me "we'll I've got good neighbours" are we expecting their elderly neighbours to look after these people? Completely ridiculous! I just hope Cliff Morris that you've got good family that will look after you when you need it! What goes around comes around!
Bearing in mind the above, how can it be justified to close/reorganise these homes? Also many elderly patients will be incapable of sustaining themselves alone even with help, family or otherwise at home. These people will be discharged directly into PRIVATE nursing homes, which operate for a profit. Which highlights another problem for Bolton Council, who operate no nursing homes, are the Bolton Councillors so inept that they cannot operate any not for profit nursing homes. When there are councillors who own and run nursing homes.

Sorry to say there are insidious reasons for these closures, mark my word, so called socialist majority party in Bolton have short term profits in mind. After what they consider is a reasonable time, some homes will be closed and sold off for housing, say they are no longer viable to operate.
[quote][p][bold]Lisacoote[/bold] wrote: I work at the royal Bolton and have also worked at Darley Court there are waiting lists as long as your arm for these places! The elderly are assessed while in hospital to see if they are fit to go home or if they need an intermediate care place, so now we are just going to send all the elderly home? To what? Most elderly people I speak to have no family near by and say to me "we'll I've got good neighbours" are we expecting their elderly neighbours to look after these people? Completely ridiculous! I just hope Cliff Morris that you've got good family that will look after you when you need it! What goes around comes around![/p][/quote]Bearing in mind the above, how can it be justified to close/reorganise these homes? Also many elderly patients will be incapable of sustaining themselves alone even with help, family or otherwise at home. These people will be discharged directly into PRIVATE nursing homes, which operate for a profit. Which highlights another problem for Bolton Council, who operate no nursing homes, are the Bolton Councillors so inept that they cannot operate any not for profit nursing homes. When there are councillors who own and run nursing homes. Sorry to say there are insidious reasons for these closures, mark my word, so called socialist majority party in Bolton have short term profits in mind. After what they consider is a reasonable time, some homes will be closed and sold off for housing, say they are no longer viable to operate. Brumas

8:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

If this council spend any money on translation services while cutting essential services everybody in Bolton should tell the council to stuff the council tax bill up their arse
If this council spend any money on translation services while cutting essential services everybody in Bolton should tell the council to stuff the council tax bill up their arse serendipity2

9:24pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Brumas says...

Translators? What a joke, I once worked for a council Dept., When going to some houses I was told you will need an interpreter to meet you there. Got there early, said people spoke to me in almost perfect English, as soon as the interpreter came, stum. Enough said.
Translators? What a joke, I once worked for a council Dept., When going to some houses I was told you will need an interpreter to meet you there. Got there early, said people spoke to me in almost perfect English, as soon as the interpreter came, stum. Enough said. Brumas

10:28pm Mon 16 Dec 13

biglad44 says...

I have seen how care in the own home works it's lonely and half the time visits are missed. This is how I saw it work. A elderly lady who I used to pass her house had care workers visiting 4 times a day one this one day when I was passing she had had a fall in her own house and had wet her self she was unwashed and hungry I asked her if anyone had been to see her she said no it was 11:30am I pressed her red button and spoke to the care line office explained what had happened. And it was still another hour before someone turned up overworked and pressure to meet impossible targets. Sadly this lovely lady passed away and when I pass her house I can't help thinking how she was let down by cuts made by a out of touch council putting cost before everything else. Shame on Bolton Council shame on you all.
I have seen how care in the own home works it's lonely and half the time visits are missed. This is how I saw it work. A elderly lady who I used to pass her house had care workers visiting 4 times a day one this one day when I was passing she had had a fall in her own house and had wet her self she was unwashed and hungry I asked her if anyone had been to see her she said no it was 11:30am I pressed her red button and spoke to the care line office explained what had happened. And it was still another hour before someone turned up overworked and pressure to meet impossible targets. Sadly this lovely lady passed away and when I pass her house I can't help thinking how she was let down by cuts made by a out of touch council putting cost before everything else. Shame on Bolton Council shame on you all. biglad44

10:48pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Comment777 says...

Lisacoote wrote:
I work at the royal Bolton and have also worked at Darley Court there are waiting lists as long as your arm for these places! The elderly are assessed while in hospital to see if they are fit to go home or if they need an intermediate care place, so now we are just going to send all the elderly home? To what? Most elderly people I speak to have no family near by and say to me "we'll I've got good neighbours" are we expecting their elderly neighbours to look after these people? Completely ridiculous! I just hope Cliff Morris that you've got good family that will look after you when you need it! What goes around comes around!
And I hope councillor Morris does not have family to look after him in his dotage, unable to cook a meal, take his medication eventually finding himself peeing in his own pants and being left alone until he rots....because that is what he is condemning many elderly people to in the borough...
[quote][p][bold]Lisacoote[/bold] wrote: I work at the royal Bolton and have also worked at Darley Court there are waiting lists as long as your arm for these places! The elderly are assessed while in hospital to see if they are fit to go home or if they need an intermediate care place, so now we are just going to send all the elderly home? To what? Most elderly people I speak to have no family near by and say to me "we'll I've got good neighbours" are we expecting their elderly neighbours to look after these people? Completely ridiculous! I just hope Cliff Morris that you've got good family that will look after you when you need it! What goes around comes around![/p][/quote]And I hope councillor Morris does not have family to look after him in his dotage, unable to cook a meal, take his medication eventually finding himself peeing in his own pants and being left alone until he rots....because that is what he is condemning many elderly people to in the borough... Comment777

10:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Comment777 says...

Browny91 wrote:
Chrome1 wrote:
Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
Well I hope you are never put in this position, some families have jobs and children to care for without being full time carers on top of this!

Also, what about those who work in these homes? Yes they may keep their jobs but what the Bolton News has failed to report is the fact that they could be transferred to work at another home but with reduced hours!
And your parents worked whilst being carers for you when you where young, it is your duty to care for your elderly parents, a difficult task without any question but you have a debt to your parents please do not default as you will regret it when they are gone...
[quote][p][bold]Browny91[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]Well I hope you are never put in this position, some families have jobs and children to care for without being full time carers on top of this! Also, what about those who work in these homes? Yes they may keep their jobs but what the Bolton News has failed to report is the fact that they could be transferred to work at another home but with reduced hours![/p][/quote]And your parents worked whilst being carers for you when you where young, it is your duty to care for your elderly parents, a difficult task without any question but you have a debt to your parents please do not default as you will regret it when they are gone... Comment777

11:26pm Mon 16 Dec 13

longballs r us says...

There is a vast difference between the Asian community and the white community when it comes to caring for elderly parents in majority of the cases, but in my opinion I still believe these centres should be kept open especially for those that don't have ANYBODY ( NO CHILDREN) to look after them.

One can come up with all the excuses in the world about distance from parents, lack of space in the house, both husband and wife working (nobody works 24hrs a day) Truly loving children always find a way to look after the parents.
There is a vast difference between the Asian community and the white community when it comes to caring for elderly parents in majority of the cases, but in my opinion I still believe these centres should be kept open especially for those that don't have ANYBODY ( NO CHILDREN) to look after them. One can come up with all the excuses in the world about distance from parents, lack of space in the house, both husband and wife working (nobody works 24hrs a day) Truly loving children always find a way to look after the parents. longballs r us

11:51pm Mon 16 Dec 13

happy horwicher says...

Chrome1 wrote:
Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
what a nasty and stupid comment. Some people do not have families to look after them. Its those people who will be hardest hit by this closure.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]what a nasty and stupid comment. Some people do not have families to look after them. Its those people who will be hardest hit by this closure. happy horwicher

10:32am Tue 17 Dec 13

Chrome1 says...

happy horwicher wrote:
Chrome1 wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
what a nasty and stupid comment. Some people do not have families to look after them. Its those people who will be hardest hit by this closure.
Why is this comment 'nasty and stupid'? It seems to me that you are one of them who has washed their hands of caring for the elderly. Nothing in my statement is controversial. It's the truth and society must face up to that fact. All this talk of not having the time, being far away etc are just pithy excuses that undermine their argument.
[quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]what a nasty and stupid comment. Some people do not have families to look after them. Its those people who will be hardest hit by this closure.[/p][/quote]Why is this comment 'nasty and stupid'? It seems to me that you are one of them who has washed their hands of caring for the elderly. Nothing in my statement is controversial. It's the truth and society must face up to that fact. All this talk of not having the time, being far away etc are just pithy excuses that undermine their argument. Chrome1

10:55am Tue 17 Dec 13

Donkey Stone says...

Lisacoote wrote:
Chrome1 wrote:
Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
What a ridiculous statement! A lot of our elderly people haven't had any children because the men went off to war to fight for this **** hole of a country and by the time they came back they couldn't have a family!
Would you really expect your child to wait around in this hole of a town (which our council are creating) just so they can look after you in your old age? Because if so I feel sorry for your off spring! I know my parents would not expect that of me I would do it of my own free will.
And if it wasn't for those STRANGERS! Then some of those elderly people would have no one! What do you do for a job by the way?
Just a guess Lisa, but I think he is a professional tosspot. There are many different people in these sort of places and from ALL cultures. The idiot you responded to just likes to pretend that his version is the right one.
[quote][p][bold]Lisacoote[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous statement! A lot of our elderly people haven't had any children because the men went off to war to fight for this **** hole of a country and by the time they came back they couldn't have a family! Would you really expect your child to wait around in this hole of a town (which our council are creating) just so they can look after you in your old age? Because if so I feel sorry for your off spring! I know my parents would not expect that of me I would do it of my own free will. And if it wasn't for those STRANGERS! Then some of those elderly people would have no one! What do you do for a job by the way?[/p][/quote]Just a guess Lisa, but I think he is a professional tosspot. There are many different people in these sort of places and from ALL cultures. The idiot you responded to just likes to pretend that his version is the right one. Donkey Stone

11:36am Tue 17 Dec 13

dirtyowdtown says...

So, care at home eh?, I wonder how community nurses and carers that are already stretched to the limit are going to find the time for these extra visits . Nice one calamity cliff , your lies and spin don't fool many. STILL life in Bolton ain't too bad a the moment when we can take a ride on the £80,000 Ferris wheel of misfortune on Victoria square. It's great , one can see B and M bargains from it and the Travelodge budget hotel where some of the annual 10 millions stay at every year.
So, care at home eh?, I wonder how community nurses and carers that are already stretched to the limit are going to find the time for these extra visits . Nice one calamity cliff , your lies and spin don't fool many. STILL life in Bolton ain't too bad a the moment when we can take a ride on the £80,000 Ferris wheel of misfortune on Victoria square. It's great , one can see B and M bargains from it and the Travelodge budget hotel where some of the annual 10 millions stay at every year. dirtyowdtown

12:47pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Comment777 says...

longballs r us wrote:
There is a vast difference between the Asian community and the white community when it comes to caring for elderly parents in majority of the cases, but in my opinion I still believe these centres should be kept open especially for those that don't have ANYBODY ( NO CHILDREN) to look after them.

One can come up with all the excuses in the world about distance from parents, lack of space in the house, both husband and wife working (nobody works 24hrs a day) Truly loving children always find a way to look after the parents.
Well said and wholly true...
[quote][p][bold]longballs r us[/bold] wrote: There is a vast difference between the Asian community and the white community when it comes to caring for elderly parents in majority of the cases, but in my opinion I still believe these centres should be kept open especially for those that don't have ANYBODY ( NO CHILDREN) to look after them. One can come up with all the excuses in the world about distance from parents, lack of space in the house, both husband and wife working (nobody works 24hrs a day) Truly loving children always find a way to look after the parents.[/p][/quote]Well said and wholly true... Comment777

1:14pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Keafyc says...

Cllr Andy Morgan said: “Intermediate care is a brilliant system and I agree that we need to try to deliver more care in people’s homes.

Cllr, with all due respect, you are WRONG!!!!!! In every way!!!! The home care system does NOT work!!! Nowhere near enough time is allowed for carers to look after a dog, never mind a human being.
This cannot be allowed to happen!!!!!!!!!
I have experience with home care. It was totally inadequate, to the point of endangering my fathers life!!!!!!!! I had to intervene and to sort the issue out myself.
I cannot stress this too much, Cllr Andy Morgan you are WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!
Cllr Andy Morgan said: “Intermediate care is a brilliant system and I agree that we need to try to deliver more care in people’s homes. Cllr, with all due respect, you are WRONG!!!!!! In every way!!!! The home care system does NOT work!!! Nowhere near enough time is allowed for carers to look after a dog, never mind a human being. This cannot be allowed to happen!!!!!!!!! I have experience with home care. It was totally inadequate, to the point of endangering my fathers life!!!!!!!! I had to intervene and to sort the issue out myself. I cannot stress this too much, Cllr Andy Morgan you are WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Keafyc

1:43pm Tue 17 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

Chrome1 wrote:
happy horwicher wrote:
Chrome1 wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
what a nasty and stupid comment. Some people do not have families to look after them. Its those people who will be hardest hit by this closure.
Why is this comment 'nasty and stupid'? It seems to me that you are one of them who has washed their hands of caring for the elderly. Nothing in my statement is controversial. It's the truth and society must face up to that fact. All this talk of not having the time, being far away etc are just pithy excuses that undermine their argument.
Answer this.

What about the ones who don't have family?
What about families that are living in another country and all the other factors people have pointed out?

People think it is a stupid comment because you have clearly not thought it through, hence childlike thinking.

People think it is a nasty comment because you resort to insults calling people you don't know idiots. Again....immaturity.


Do you really think it is as simple as you have put it?

In a perfect world maybe, but we do not live in a perfect world, the proof of this is that people like you get a voice. In a perfect world you wouldn't exist....or be a mute with no fingers to type.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]what a nasty and stupid comment. Some people do not have families to look after them. Its those people who will be hardest hit by this closure.[/p][/quote]Why is this comment 'nasty and stupid'? It seems to me that you are one of them who has washed their hands of caring for the elderly. Nothing in my statement is controversial. It's the truth and society must face up to that fact. All this talk of not having the time, being far away etc are just pithy excuses that undermine their argument.[/p][/quote]Answer this. What about the ones who don't have family? What about families that are living in another country and all the other factors people have pointed out? People think it is a stupid comment because you have clearly not thought it through, hence childlike thinking. People think it is a nasty comment because you resort to insults calling people you don't know idiots. Again....immaturity. Do you really think it is as simple as you have put it? In a perfect world maybe, but we do not live in a perfect world, the proof of this is that people like you get a voice. In a perfect world you wouldn't exist....or be a mute with no fingers to type. nozza17

9:40pm Tue 17 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

bwfc58 wrote:
This Country as no money Councils are cutting back through lack of money yet this Government can Pledge £500. 0000000 yes that is right £ 500 million pounds to Syria well for one I will be voting UKIP from now on as I have had enough of the 3 main parties they are sending this once great Country to the dogs and yes some of you will agree with me and some will not and before a go as well this Government give £ 35 million pounds to China each and every year and £ 250 million pounds to India each and every year and India are sending a rocket to the moon at a cost of £ 48 million pounds so really the British people have payed for that and I also wonder what of all the £10 billion pounds this Government give out in Aid to many countries every year and Labour do that to when they are in power if they stopped giving all that money out this once great country what never ever need to close any care home or cut back on any public services i.e Police NHS Schools the fire service and I could go on and on so come on UKIP this once great country depends on you to do well in the next Local and National elections.
What is UKIP's policy on health, social care and more importantly the NHS - as their website for both National Government and Local Government seems to concentrate on helping those in the South East whilst virtually doing nothing in the North! Des UKIP care about the North (except for creating training centres to create a good UKIP candidiate - sounds very familiar to Nazi Youth training camps, IRA training camp and Al Q'aeda training camps!!!

I hope you don't need care soon if UKIP get in as I know you will be disappointed and probably not last long to see the full damage of what they will do!!!

Oh, and one more point the figures you suggest being saved wouldn't even touch 5% of the actual money needed to protect the essential public services (including care asssistants)

(www.ukip.org)


As for this story it is VERY pathetic that they are closing Firwood. I had an elderly relative who stayed there for a while before she could move into a care home and it was completely invaluable. I was living overseas at the time and parents were too old, themselves, to look after the elderly relative and they had full time jobs to help keep paying the bills and mortgage.

Now Morris is going to shift the blame onto the NHS which is already cash-strapped and push the council's social care assistants to beyond breaking point. The care-assistants get nothing more than a basic wage and given such pathetic deadlines to do their job, which are IMPOSSIBLE to keep time to and yet they do a magnificent job - for them (and yes they are public sector workers) they get shafted by the Council but to them the job is more than just money and carry on - knowing if they didn't people would fall ill or even die because of a lack of care!
[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: This Country as no money Councils are cutting back through lack of money yet this Government can Pledge £500. 0000000 yes that is right £ 500 million pounds to Syria well for one I will be voting UKIP from now on as I have had enough of the 3 main parties they are sending this once great Country to the dogs and yes some of you will agree with me and some will not and before a go as well this Government give £ 35 million pounds to China each and every year and £ 250 million pounds to India each and every year and India are sending a rocket to the moon at a cost of £ 48 million pounds so really the British people have payed for that and I also wonder what of all the £10 billion pounds this Government give out in Aid to many countries every year and Labour do that to when they are in power if they stopped giving all that money out this once great country what never ever need to close any care home or cut back on any public services i.e Police NHS Schools the fire service and I could go on and on so come on UKIP this once great country depends on you to do well in the next Local and National elections.[/p][/quote]What is UKIP's policy on health, social care and more importantly the NHS - as their website for both National Government and Local Government seems to concentrate on helping those in the South East whilst virtually doing nothing in the North! Des UKIP care about the North (except for creating training centres to create a good UKIP candidiate - sounds very familiar to Nazi Youth training camps, IRA training camp and Al Q'aeda training camps!!! I hope you don't need care soon if UKIP get in as I know you will be disappointed and probably not last long to see the full damage of what they will do!!! Oh, and one more point the figures you suggest being saved wouldn't even touch 5% of the actual money needed to protect the essential public services (including care asssistants) (www.ukip.org) As for this story it is VERY pathetic that they are closing Firwood. I had an elderly relative who stayed there for a while before she could move into a care home and it was completely invaluable. I was living overseas at the time and parents were too old, themselves, to look after the elderly relative and they had full time jobs to help keep paying the bills and mortgage. Now Morris is going to shift the blame onto the NHS which is already cash-strapped and push the council's social care assistants to beyond breaking point. The care-assistants get nothing more than a basic wage and given such pathetic deadlines to do their job, which are IMPOSSIBLE to keep time to and yet they do a magnificent job - for them (and yes they are public sector workers) they get shafted by the Council but to them the job is more than just money and carry on - knowing if they didn't people would fall ill or even die because of a lack of care! BWFC71

12:30am Wed 18 Dec 13

happy horwicher says...

Chrome1 wrote:
happy horwicher wrote:
Chrome1 wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.
what a nasty and stupid comment. Some people do not have families to look after them. Its those people who will be hardest hit by this closure.
Why is this comment 'nasty and stupid'? It seems to me that you are one of them who has washed their hands of caring for the elderly. Nothing in my statement is controversial. It's the truth and society must face up to that fact. All this talk of not having the time, being far away etc are just pithy excuses that undermine their argument.
Not at all, I have elderly parents who I love spending time with and am able to do so. I also do volunteering and spend a lot of time with elderly people who do not have family and are lonely. Their main fear is that should their health decline, who will help them. I totally agree family should be the ones who take responsibility but not everyone is lucky enough to have this. This closure will penalise those who need it most.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, this news is soooo dull. Let the families take care of their elder generations. It's sad and embarrasssing that we have to let strangers take care of our elderly. I'm glad this centre is to be closed. Put responsibility on the idiot families who cannot be bothered.[/p][/quote]what a nasty and stupid comment. Some people do not have families to look after them. Its those people who will be hardest hit by this closure.[/p][/quote]Why is this comment 'nasty and stupid'? It seems to me that you are one of them who has washed their hands of caring for the elderly. Nothing in my statement is controversial. It's the truth and society must face up to that fact. All this talk of not having the time, being far away etc are just pithy excuses that undermine their argument.[/p][/quote]Not at all, I have elderly parents who I love spending time with and am able to do so. I also do volunteering and spend a lot of time with elderly people who do not have family and are lonely. Their main fear is that should their health decline, who will help them. I totally agree family should be the ones who take responsibility but not everyone is lucky enough to have this. This closure will penalise those who need it most. happy horwicher

8:25pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Puffin-Billy says...

Hospital beds become “blocked” when patients who are residents of a private home which rips off its residents and their families by fraudulently calling itself a "Nursing Home", (which cannot provide nursing care by properly qualified nursing staff) ,

and so it off-loads its sick residents onto an NHS hospital paid for by the taxpayer, whose staff and facilities are already at breaking point, due to the £20 billion cuts imposed on it by this government.
Hospital beds become “blocked” when patients who are residents of a private home which rips off its residents and their families by fraudulently calling itself a "Nursing Home", (which cannot provide nursing care by properly qualified nursing staff) , and so it off-loads its sick residents onto an NHS hospital paid for by the taxpayer, whose staff and facilities are already at breaking point, due to the £20 billion cuts imposed on it by this government. Puffin-Billy

8:49pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Puffin-Billy says...

JJKBolton wrote:
Cllr Andy Morgan said: “Intermediate care is a brilliant system and I agree that we need to try to deliver more care in people’s homes.

“My only concern is that reducing the number of intermediate beds could prevent patients from making that step from hospital care to their own homes. I just hope it does not result in bed blocking.”

Slight correction Cllr Morgan. BED BLOCKING ALREADY EXISTS, so what the council intend doing will quite simply further aggravate the situation.

Do the hospitals know about these pending "improvements" and what do they think.
Hospital beds become “blocked” when private homes which rip off their residents and their families by fraudulently calling themselves "Nursing Homes" cannot provide nursing care by properly qualified nursing staff);

so they off-load their sick residents onto an NHS hospital paid for by the taxpayer, whose staff and facilities are already at breaking point, due to the £20 billion cuts which Councillor Andy Morgan approves of, and which are being used to defraud the NHS taxpayer.
[quote][p][bold]JJKBolton[/bold] wrote: Cllr Andy Morgan said: “Intermediate care is a brilliant system and I agree that we need to try to deliver more care in people’s homes. “My only concern is that reducing the number of intermediate beds could prevent patients from making that step from hospital care to their own homes. I just hope it does not result in bed blocking.” Slight correction Cllr Morgan. BED BLOCKING ALREADY EXISTS, so what the council intend doing will quite simply further aggravate the situation. Do the hospitals know about these pending "improvements" and what do they think.[/p][/quote]Hospital beds become “blocked” when private homes which rip off their residents and their families by fraudulently calling themselves "Nursing Homes" cannot provide nursing care by properly qualified nursing staff); so they off-load their sick residents onto an NHS hospital paid for by the taxpayer, whose staff and facilities are already at breaking point, due to the £20 billion cuts which Councillor Andy Morgan approves of, and which are being used to defraud the NHS taxpayer. Puffin-Billy

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