Bolton to get £3.4 million windfall for building new homes

The Bolton News: Bolton Council chief executive Sean Harriss Bolton Council chief executive Sean Harriss

BOLTON will receive a £3.4 million windfall from the government as a reward for building new homes in the town.

Council chiefs said they were yet to decide what the money would be spent on — but councils are free to spend the money however they wish, including freezing council tax.

The money is part of a £38.8 million New Homes Bonus given to Greater Manchester, and Bolton has now received £8.2 million since the scheme started in 2011.

The council’s chief executive Sean Harriss, pictured, said while this was a welcome announcement, the authority was expecting the money.

He said: “This is not new money. It obviously varies slightly from year to year from the number of new homes there are, and this allocation only confirms what we anticipated.

“The council gets income from lots of different sources — such as council tax and government grants — and it’s all part of that.”

Greater Manchester councils have received £84.9 million over a four-year period, helping to build more than 27,000 new and refurbished homes, including 5,409 affordable homes.

Communities minister Stephen Williams said it was important that empty houses were being brought back into productive use.

He said: “The government is doing everything possible to tackle the problem of empty homes and urban blight, and the New Homes Bonus is a shot in the arm for councils tackling the problem of abandoned homes and urban blight locally.

“The number of long term empty homes has already fallen by 93,000 and we are now going further, giving councils the incentive to bring people, shops and jobs back to once abandoned areas, and to provide extra affordable homes we so badly need.”

Cllr Nick Peel, executive member for environmental services, said the money could be spent on a whole range of council services.

He said: “The New Homes Bonus has got to be taken in the context of the £100 million we have lost so far, so getting £3 million back is barely scratching the surface.

“We had made an assessment around what we thought we would get, and I believe it’s roughly in line with that and has been built into the base budget.”

The money will form part of the council’s 2014/15 budget which will be set in February next year.

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8:18am Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The last three new build done in my area are:
Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants.
Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants.
10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why. thomas222

8:32am Wed 18 Dec 13

Jim271 says...

I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years.

Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????
I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years. Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide????? Jim271

8:47am Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The last three new build done in my area are:
Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants.
Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants.
10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves.

Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying!

As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council.

Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies. The Righteous One

8:50am Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years.

Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????
That is because you are asking the wrong people!!!!!

You should be approaching:-

Bolton At Home
All the various indepdendent Housing Associations
Tenant Services Authority

They are all the companies/quangos you should be approaching as they will, and do, have the information for a small price and for the TSA you could go to their office at One PIccadilly Gardens in Manchester!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years. Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????[/p][/quote]That is because you are asking the wrong people!!!!! You should be approaching:- Bolton At Home All the various indepdendent Housing Associations Tenant Services Authority They are all the companies/quangos you should be approaching as they will, and do, have the information for a small price and for the TSA you could go to their office at One PIccadilly Gardens in Manchester!!! The Righteous One

8:53am Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Jim271 wrote:
I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years. Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????
The reason it was denied is because the housing was given to bolton at home and its a registered charity and does not have to give details under the freedom of information act. I tried also!!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years. Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????[/p][/quote]The reason it was denied is because the housing was given to bolton at home and its a registered charity and does not have to give details under the freedom of information act. I tried also!! thomas222

8:58am Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.
Go and look for yourself.... avenue street and vernon street are there to see. The ones on brownlow way are nearly built but already given to immigrants as my mate works at bolton at home informed me.........
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.[/p][/quote]Go and look for yourself.... avenue street and vernon street are there to see. The ones on brownlow way are nearly built but already given to immigrants as my mate works at bolton at home informed me......... thomas222

9:57am Wed 18 Dec 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again.

Let me explain how it all works.

Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody.

All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works.

There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this.

Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it.

The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.
Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all. Malcolm Tucker

10:08am Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Malcolm Tucker wrote:
Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.
You are talking total rubbish. Try and get the details of the last five years off Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants and you are told they dont have that info as the stock has been given to bah and they are a registered charity and need not divulge those details. I have done this and i have the email they sent me saying it. Try yourself. If its not a problem as you say then why you concerned?
[quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.[/p][/quote]You are talking total rubbish. Try and get the details of the last five years off Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants and you are told they dont have that info as the stock has been given to bah and they are a registered charity and need not divulge those details. I have done this and i have the email they sent me saying it. Try yourself. If its not a problem as you say then why you concerned? thomas222

10:10am Wed 18 Dec 13

Chrome1 says...

Malcolm, you are the sanest voice on this forum. It is easy for 'keyboard warriors' to vent their personal frustrations on this site but in the cold light of day their arguments cannot hold water.
Righteous, you are a man/woman of contradictions. Sometimes you come across very curt but today I take my hat off to you. A very good counter argument against that troll AKA Thomas.
Despite various claims by unlearned people housing is based on merit, need, urgency and eligibility of course.
Let's be positive and make Bolton a better place through increasing our understanding of our local community and be at peace with ourselves. By heck, I sound all slushy; what's got into me?
Malcolm, you are the sanest voice on this forum. It is easy for 'keyboard warriors' to vent their personal frustrations on this site but in the cold light of day their arguments cannot hold water. Righteous, you are a man/woman of contradictions. Sometimes you come across very curt but today I take my hat off to you. A very good counter argument against that troll AKA Thomas. Despite various claims by unlearned people housing is based on merit, need, urgency and eligibility of course. Let's be positive and make Bolton a better place through increasing our understanding of our local community and be at peace with ourselves. By heck, I sound all slushy; what's got into me? Chrome1

10:37am Wed 18 Dec 13

Jackael says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.
Go and look for yourself.... avenue street and vernon street are there to see. The ones on brownlow way are nearly built but already given to immigrants as my mate works at bolton at home informed me.........
Thomas if you have any proof please please produce it, if only to shut these absolute nobs up !!! In the meantime these people should have a walk around some of these areas because clearly they dont get much.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.[/p][/quote]Go and look for yourself.... avenue street and vernon street are there to see. The ones on brownlow way are nearly built but already given to immigrants as my mate works at bolton at home informed me.........[/p][/quote]Thomas if you have any proof please please produce it, if only to shut these absolute nobs up !!! In the meantime these people should have a walk around some of these areas because clearly they dont get much. Jackael

10:53am Wed 18 Dec 13

Jim271 says...

Malcolm,

Do you ever actually ask any questions from the Council or does working as a traffic warden condition you not to ask but to conform.

Remember, to your employer you are someone to make money from, you don't owe them anything and they will get rid of you once your usefulness has been outlived.

Baa Baa Black Sheep
Malcolm, Do you ever actually ask any questions from the Council or does working as a traffic warden condition you not to ask but to conform. Remember, to your employer you are someone to make money from, you don't owe them anything and they will get rid of you once your usefulness has been outlived. Baa Baa Black Sheep Jim271

10:55am Wed 18 Dec 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

thomas222 wrote:
Malcolm Tucker wrote:
Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.
You are talking total rubbish. Try and get the details of the last five years off Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants and you are told they dont have that info as the stock has been given to bah and they are a registered charity and need not divulge those details. I have done this and i have the email they sent me saying it. Try yourself. If its not a problem as you say then why you concerned?
As I've already told you, Bolton Council manages the allocations on behalf of the social landlords like Bolton at Home. The information belongs to Bolton at Home and other HA's, not the council, so the answer you got was correct.

You said " Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants"
I think I can work out what you mean, although you are hard to understand. But again, I have explained to you that it would impossible for the Council to give housing to immigrants as a priority, as the allocation is governed by a strict criteria policy and length of time waiting. There is no policy in existence that allocates property based on the colour of skin or country of birth as this would be illegal. Get a hold of the policy, and read it before you put your perceptions before the facts.

Finally I am fully aware that you and your ilk have no interest at all in the truth and have an entirely different agenda that is based on spreading misinformation. AKA BNP/UKIP campaign manual.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.[/p][/quote]You are talking total rubbish. Try and get the details of the last five years off Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants and you are told they dont have that info as the stock has been given to bah and they are a registered charity and need not divulge those details. I have done this and i have the email they sent me saying it. Try yourself. If its not a problem as you say then why you concerned?[/p][/quote]As I've already told you, Bolton Council manages the allocations on behalf of the social landlords like Bolton at Home. The information belongs to Bolton at Home and other HA's, not the council, so the answer you got was correct. You said " Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants" I think I can work out what you mean, although you are hard to understand. But again, I have explained to you that it would impossible for the Council to give housing to immigrants as a priority, as the allocation is governed by a strict criteria policy and length of time waiting. There is no policy in existence that allocates property based on the colour of skin or country of birth as this would be illegal. Get a hold of the policy, and read it before you put your perceptions before the facts. Finally I am fully aware that you and your ilk have no interest at all in the truth and have an entirely different agenda that is based on spreading misinformation. AKA BNP/UKIP campaign manual. Malcolm Tucker

11:07am Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Jackael wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.
Go and look for yourself.... avenue street and vernon street are there to see. The ones on brownlow way are nearly built but already given to immigrants as my mate works at bolton at home informed me.........
Thomas if you have any proof please please produce it, if only to shut these absolute nobs up !!! In the meantime these people should have a walk around some of these areas because clearly they dont get much.
You cannot get proof and my proof is my eyes...... use yours and you will find the same...
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.[/p][/quote]Go and look for yourself.... avenue street and vernon street are there to see. The ones on brownlow way are nearly built but already given to immigrants as my mate works at bolton at home informed me.........[/p][/quote]Thomas if you have any proof please please produce it, if only to shut these absolute nobs up !!! In the meantime these people should have a walk around some of these areas because clearly they dont get much.[/p][/quote]You cannot get proof and my proof is my eyes...... use yours and you will find the same... thomas222

11:08am Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Malcolm Tucker wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Malcolm Tucker wrote:
Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.
You are talking total rubbish. Try and get the details of the last five years off Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants and you are told they dont have that info as the stock has been given to bah and they are a registered charity and need not divulge those details. I have done this and i have the email they sent me saying it. Try yourself. If its not a problem as you say then why you concerned?
As I've already told you, Bolton Council manages the allocations on behalf of the social landlords like Bolton at Home. The information belongs to Bolton at Home and other HA's, not the council, so the answer you got was correct.

You said " Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants"
I think I can work out what you mean, although you are hard to understand. But again, I have explained to you that it would impossible for the Council to give housing to immigrants as a priority, as the allocation is governed by a strict criteria policy and length of time waiting. There is no policy in existence that allocates property based on the colour of skin or country of birth as this would be illegal. Get a hold of the policy, and read it before you put your perceptions before the facts.

Finally I am fully aware that you and your ilk have no interest at all in the truth and have an entirely different agenda that is based on spreading misinformation. AKA BNP/UKIP campaign manual.
Very well said, Malcolm.

I applaud you (no sarcasm whatsoever)
[quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.[/p][/quote]You are talking total rubbish. Try and get the details of the last five years off Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants and you are told they dont have that info as the stock has been given to bah and they are a registered charity and need not divulge those details. I have done this and i have the email they sent me saying it. Try yourself. If its not a problem as you say then why you concerned?[/p][/quote]As I've already told you, Bolton Council manages the allocations on behalf of the social landlords like Bolton at Home. The information belongs to Bolton at Home and other HA's, not the council, so the answer you got was correct. You said " Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants" I think I can work out what you mean, although you are hard to understand. But again, I have explained to you that it would impossible for the Council to give housing to immigrants as a priority, as the allocation is governed by a strict criteria policy and length of time waiting. There is no policy in existence that allocates property based on the colour of skin or country of birth as this would be illegal. Get a hold of the policy, and read it before you put your perceptions before the facts. Finally I am fully aware that you and your ilk have no interest at all in the truth and have an entirely different agenda that is based on spreading misinformation. AKA BNP/UKIP campaign manual.[/p][/quote]Very well said, Malcolm. I applaud you (no sarcasm whatsoever) The Righteous One

11:08am Wed 18 Dec 13

rnorris says...

Jim271 wrote:
I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years.

Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????
Didn't think they could refuse.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years. Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????[/p][/quote]Didn't think they could refuse. rnorris

11:10am Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Malcolm Tucker wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Malcolm Tucker wrote: Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.
You are talking total rubbish. Try and get the details of the last five years off Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants and you are told they dont have that info as the stock has been given to bah and they are a registered charity and need not divulge those details. I have done this and i have the email they sent me saying it. Try yourself. If its not a problem as you say then why you concerned?
As I've already told you, Bolton Council manages the allocations on behalf of the social landlords like Bolton at Home. The information belongs to Bolton at Home and other HA's, not the council, so the answer you got was correct. You said " Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants" I think I can work out what you mean, although you are hard to understand. But again, I have explained to you that it would impossible for the Council to give housing to immigrants as a priority, as the allocation is governed by a strict criteria policy and length of time waiting. There is no policy in existence that allocates property based on the colour of skin or country of birth as this would be illegal. Get a hold of the policy, and read it before you put your perceptions before the facts. Finally I am fully aware that you and your ilk have no interest at all in the truth and have an entirely different agenda that is based on spreading misinformation. AKA BNP/UKIP campaign manual.
You sound like a Malcolm too! lol.
[quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: Jim and Thomas, you are talking crapp yet again. Let me explain how it all works. Firstly, social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.[/p][/quote]You are talking total rubbish. Try and get the details of the last five years off Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants and you are told they dont have that info as the stock has been given to bah and they are a registered charity and need not divulge those details. I have done this and i have the email they sent me saying it. Try yourself. If its not a problem as you say then why you concerned?[/p][/quote]As I've already told you, Bolton Council manages the allocations on behalf of the social landlords like Bolton at Home. The information belongs to Bolton at Home and other HA's, not the council, so the answer you got was correct. You said " Bolton Council of who have been given housing who are immigrants" I think I can work out what you mean, although you are hard to understand. But again, I have explained to you that it would impossible for the Council to give housing to immigrants as a priority, as the allocation is governed by a strict criteria policy and length of time waiting. There is no policy in existence that allocates property based on the colour of skin or country of birth as this would be illegal. Get a hold of the policy, and read it before you put your perceptions before the facts. Finally I am fully aware that you and your ilk have no interest at all in the truth and have an entirely different agenda that is based on spreading misinformation. AKA BNP/UKIP campaign manual.[/p][/quote]You sound like a Malcolm too! lol. thomas222

11:15am Wed 18 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

the proof of the pudding will be in the eating .... lets wait and see
the proof of the pudding will be in the eating .... lets wait and see lv8151

11:16am Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Jackael wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.
Go and look for yourself.... avenue street and vernon street are there to see. The ones on brownlow way are nearly built but already given to immigrants as my mate works at bolton at home informed me.........
Thomas if you have any proof please please produce it, if only to shut these absolute nobs up !!! In the meantime these people should have a walk around some of these areas because clearly they dont get much.
You cannot get proof and my proof is my eyes...... use yours and you will find the same...
Therefore you are just a liar and making up fables for your UKIP campaign - pathetic, or what!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]Proof please! If you are going to make statements like that then you need to give the people teh information to see for themselves. Otherwise we will just think you are a keyboard warrior and just basically lying! As it is I know you are lying about Avenue Street as 100% of the inhabitants are British born and gained the houses through independent Housing Associations that have nothing to do with the council. Once again Thomas - please try to do some research before spreading malicious lies.[/p][/quote]Go and look for yourself.... avenue street and vernon street are there to see. The ones on brownlow way are nearly built but already given to immigrants as my mate works at bolton at home informed me.........[/p][/quote]Thomas if you have any proof please please produce it, if only to shut these absolute nobs up !!! In the meantime these people should have a walk around some of these areas because clearly they dont get much.[/p][/quote]You cannot get proof and my proof is my eyes...... use yours and you will find the same...[/p][/quote]Therefore you are just a liar and making up fables for your UKIP campaign - pathetic, or what! The Righteous One

11:30am Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Thomas,

The fact of the matter is I have relatives in live in the sheltered accomodation (Spinngfields), and have done so for the last 20 years, just off Avenue Street and the streets you mention I know VERY well and know that what you say are just pure lies!
Thomas, The fact of the matter is I have relatives in live in the sheltered accomodation (Spinngfields), and have done so for the last 20 years, just off Avenue Street and the streets you mention I know VERY well and know that what you say are just pure lies! The Righteous One

12:18pm Wed 18 Dec 13

boltonchap says...

Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there? boltonchap

12:25pm Wed 18 Dec 13

itsnotthatbad says...

The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.
The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight. itsnotthatbad

12:29pm Wed 18 Dec 13

cliff4treasurer says...

To Malcolm Tucker :

You keep spouting on about policy which I find amusing as I worked for Bolton council for a long time and can assure you, and any of the other readers/commenters on here that policy documents are written for inspectors of the councils operations and people like you.
They do not 100% reflect the workings of the council and I include Bolton at home in that as they are part of the council wether you like it or not.
If you would like me to explain why I can do but it sounds to me like you already know.
Please don't tell me about inspectors ensuring a policy is carried out as I met quite a few of them and can also assure you once they move from behind a desk they are lost.
To Malcolm Tucker : You keep spouting on about policy which I find amusing as I worked for Bolton council for a long time and can assure you, and any of the other readers/commenters on here that policy documents are written for inspectors of the councils operations and people like you. They do not 100% reflect the workings of the council and I include Bolton at home in that as they are part of the council wether you like it or not. If you would like me to explain why I can do but it sounds to me like you already know. Please don't tell me about inspectors ensuring a policy is carried out as I met quite a few of them and can also assure you once they move from behind a desk they are lost. cliff4treasurer

12:32pm Wed 18 Dec 13

boltonchap says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.
That should get righteous one going over the top!
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.[/p][/quote]That should get righteous one going over the top! boltonchap

12:46pm Wed 18 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

boltonchap wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.
That should get righteous one going over the top!
im eagerly awaiting his reply ... this should be a good 1 :)
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.[/p][/quote]That should get righteous one going over the top![/p][/quote]im eagerly awaiting his reply ... this should be a good 1 :) lv8151

12:47pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

boltonchap wrote:
Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
Boltonchap - not often we agree but well said!

You are learning the true ethics of being a human being!
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?[/p][/quote]Boltonchap - not often we agree but well said! You are learning the true ethics of being a human being! The Righteous One

12:50pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.
Malcolm Tucker put is the best way anyone (with a brain) could, so I will plaguerise his comment here......

social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all.

And then read Boltonchaps comment as well and you will see that we are all human, wanting the best for ourselves and our family and working TOGETHER for a better future for our children and their children and so on.

Being racial or obstinate will only cause problems rather than create harmony.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.[/p][/quote]Malcolm Tucker put is the best way anyone (with a brain) could, so I will plaguerise his comment here...... social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all. And then read Boltonchaps comment as well and you will see that we are all human, wanting the best for ourselves and our family and working TOGETHER for a better future for our children and their children and so on. Being racial or obstinate will only cause problems rather than create harmony. The Righteous One

12:54pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.
Considering I used to live on Arnold Street, attended St Josephs School on Shepherd Cross Street and relatives, and friends, who still live near by (such as Spinningfields just off Avenue Street) - calling me a troll is hugely inaccurate and I have a fantastic knowledge of this area of Bolton - of which more than 70% of the housing are privately owned or privately rented, thus does not come under Social Housing.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.[/p][/quote]Considering I used to live on Arnold Street, attended St Josephs School on Shepherd Cross Street and relatives, and friends, who still live near by (such as Spinningfields just off Avenue Street) - calling me a troll is hugely inaccurate and I have a fantastic knowledge of this area of Bolton - of which more than 70% of the housing are privately owned or privately rented, thus does not come under Social Housing. The Righteous One

1:02pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote: The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.
Malcolm Tucker put is the best way anyone (with a brain) could, so I will plaguerise his comment here...... social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all. And then read Boltonchaps comment as well and you will see that we are all human, wanting the best for ourselves and our family and working TOGETHER for a better future for our children and their children and so on. Being racial or obstinate will only cause problems rather than create harmony.
What is racial about not wanting any more immigration?. Are 70% of this country racial including many asians also.......
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.[/p][/quote]Malcolm Tucker put is the best way anyone (with a brain) could, so I will plaguerise his comment here...... social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all. And then read Boltonchaps comment as well and you will see that we are all human, wanting the best for ourselves and our family and working TOGETHER for a better future for our children and their children and so on. Being racial or obstinate will only cause problems rather than create harmony.[/p][/quote]What is racial about not wanting any more immigration?. Are 70% of this country racial including many asians also....... thomas222

1:06pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

boltonchap wrote:
Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?[/p][/quote]walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind.... thomas222

1:09pm Wed 18 Dec 13

boltonchap says...

thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote:
Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....
Not possible as I live in the Bahamas!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?[/p][/quote]walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....[/p][/quote]Not possible as I live in the Bahamas! boltonchap

1:18pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote: The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.
Malcolm Tucker put is the best way anyone (with a brain) could, so I will plaguerise his comment here...... social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all. And then read Boltonchaps comment as well and you will see that we are all human, wanting the best for ourselves and our family and working TOGETHER for a better future for our children and their children and so on. Being racial or obstinate will only cause problems rather than create harmony.
What is racial about not wanting any more immigration?. Are 70% of this country racial including many asians also.......
When you ask a question is true English, in which not only I but many other can understand then I will answer.

In other words, just what on erath are you going on about?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: The Righteous One IS NOTHING BUT A MANKY OLD TROLL. . we say genuine things about genuine issues. They all want it on a plate yet contribute naff all to the wider community. just get their spanky new houses all together and any cash that comes in stays in their groups apart from food shopping. the facts are true! no-one needs to provide proof as the proofs plain to see just stand there at call to prayer time and see how many people leave the houses...Dont care how it sounds or if offend anyone really but its annoying especially when you see nice cars or taxis on the driveway. if you work and earn good £ move to private rent and let the genuines live there, and the cycle continues and the housing crisis is over with! thank you and goodnight.[/p][/quote]Malcolm Tucker put is the best way anyone (with a brain) could, so I will plaguerise his comment here...... social housing, whether new build or not is not GIVEN to anybody. All available social housing managed by Bolton at Home and other Housing Associations are put on an availability register, called Homes for Bolton The Council then manages this list on their behalf and deal withe the applications that come though. People who are on the register then apply for an available property. The person who meets all the criteria (such as any age restrictions and health issues etc) and has been waiting the longest is then offered the tenancy. That's how it works. There is no criteria that gives extra points based upon the colour of someones skin or the country of birth. It would be an illegal allocations policy to do this. Ask Bolton council for a copy of its policy on how it manages Homes for Bolton, and you will see these details there. The social landlords pay the Council to do this on their behalf, and I'm sure if this system was being manipulated for unfathomable reasons, they would want to know. So if you have any proof then provide it. The fact of the matter is that the vast amount of new arrivals in this country, whether they be EU citizens or other economic migrants, live in privately rented accommodation, which are not governed by any allocation rules at all. And then read Boltonchaps comment as well and you will see that we are all human, wanting the best for ourselves and our family and working TOGETHER for a better future for our children and their children and so on. Being racial or obstinate will only cause problems rather than create harmony.[/p][/quote]What is racial about not wanting any more immigration?. Are 70% of this country racial including many asians also.......[/p][/quote]When you ask a question is true English, in which not only I but many other can understand then I will answer. In other words, just what on erath are you going on about? The Righteous One

1:20pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

boltonchap wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....
Not possible as I live in the Bahamas!
Dont blame you its like the third world unite melting pot....... its turned into one big crime ridden rubbish dump and no one can deny that..... Labour need to be tried for treason!
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?[/p][/quote]walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....[/p][/quote]Not possible as I live in the Bahamas![/p][/quote]Dont blame you its like the third world unite melting pot....... its turned into one big crime ridden rubbish dump and no one can deny that..... Labour need to be tried for treason! thomas222

1:21pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

oops I meant earth not erath!

Hint to editor - Edit button please
oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please The Righteous One

1:33pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....
Not possible as I live in the Bahamas!
Dont blame you its like the third world unite melting pot....... its turned into one big crime ridden rubbish dump and no one can deny that..... Labour need to be tried for treason!
That is definitely not true!!!!!

Biggest load of rubbish I have read from you!

Try looking at crime levels in other countries and then compare them to ours and the types of crimes as well.

We have a relatively low crime rate in the UK and immigration is nowhere near as bad as you think compared to The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and even Spain and Italy. In fact we have less people per square mile than The Netherlands!!!! Also lets not forget about Switzerland which has a far higher crime rate than in the UK!!

But lets not also forget that many crimes, in the UK, only recently were classed as crimes under the John Major government, including ALL motoring offences.

Again I have to point out that instead of typing a load of lies, why not read and learn before typing - you will be pleasantly surprised that teh UK is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?[/p][/quote]walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....[/p][/quote]Not possible as I live in the Bahamas![/p][/quote]Dont blame you its like the third world unite melting pot....... its turned into one big crime ridden rubbish dump and no one can deny that..... Labour need to be tried for treason![/p][/quote]That is definitely not true!!!!! Biggest load of rubbish I have read from you! Try looking at crime levels in other countries and then compare them to ours and the types of crimes as well. We have a relatively low crime rate in the UK and immigration is nowhere near as bad as you think compared to The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and even Spain and Italy. In fact we have less people per square mile than The Netherlands!!!! Also lets not forget about Switzerland which has a far higher crime rate than in the UK!! But lets not also forget that many crimes, in the UK, only recently were classed as crimes under the John Major government, including ALL motoring offences. Again I have to point out that instead of typing a load of lies, why not read and learn before typing - you will be pleasantly surprised that teh UK is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be! The Righteous One

1:39pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....
Not possible as I live in the Bahamas!
Dont blame you its like the third world unite melting pot....... its turned into one big crime ridden rubbish dump and no one can deny that..... Labour need to be tried for treason!
That is definitely not true!!!!! Biggest load of rubbish I have read from you! Try looking at crime levels in other countries and then compare them to ours and the types of crimes as well. We have a relatively low crime rate in the UK and immigration is nowhere near as bad as you think compared to The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and even Spain and Italy. In fact we have less people per square mile than The Netherlands!!!! Also lets not forget about Switzerland which has a far higher crime rate than in the UK!! But lets not also forget that many crimes, in the UK, only recently were classed as crimes under the John Major government, including ALL motoring offences. Again I have to point out that instead of typing a load of lies, why not read and learn before typing - you will be pleasantly surprised that teh UK is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be!
Its true i live here you condisending **** so dont tell me what is and isnt right. Im also not interested in your statistics in other countrys as i dont live in those countrys. Figures mean nothing as its very easy to massage those to suit your aims... all i know is the countrys you mention also are not wanting any more immigration eiter.. wonder why?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?[/p][/quote]walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....[/p][/quote]Not possible as I live in the Bahamas![/p][/quote]Dont blame you its like the third world unite melting pot....... its turned into one big crime ridden rubbish dump and no one can deny that..... Labour need to be tried for treason![/p][/quote]That is definitely not true!!!!! Biggest load of rubbish I have read from you! Try looking at crime levels in other countries and then compare them to ours and the types of crimes as well. We have a relatively low crime rate in the UK and immigration is nowhere near as bad as you think compared to The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and even Spain and Italy. In fact we have less people per square mile than The Netherlands!!!! Also lets not forget about Switzerland which has a far higher crime rate than in the UK!! But lets not also forget that many crimes, in the UK, only recently were classed as crimes under the John Major government, including ALL motoring offences. Again I have to point out that instead of typing a load of lies, why not read and learn before typing - you will be pleasantly surprised that teh UK is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be![/p][/quote]Its true i live here you condisending **** so dont tell me what is and isnt right. Im also not interested in your statistics in other countrys as i dont live in those countrys. Figures mean nothing as its very easy to massage those to suit your aims... all i know is the countrys you mention also are not wanting any more immigration eiter.. wonder why? thomas222

1:45pm Wed 18 Dec 13

boltonchap says...

thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....
Not possible as I live in the Bahamas!
Dont blame you its like the third world unite melting pot....... its turned into one big crime ridden rubbish dump and no one can deny that..... Labour need to be tried for treason!
It was a joke. I live north side of Bolton. So easy to wind people up sometimes.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?[/p][/quote]walk up and down the streets off halliwell road in the evening at 9.30 onwards and you may change your mind....[/p][/quote]Not possible as I live in the Bahamas![/p][/quote]Dont blame you its like the third world unite melting pot....... its turned into one big crime ridden rubbish dump and no one can deny that..... Labour need to be tried for treason![/p][/quote]It was a joke. I live north side of Bolton. So easy to wind people up sometimes. boltonchap

1:55pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please
Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please[/p][/quote]Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing.... thomas222

2:10pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please
Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....
Again you post just doesn't make any sense - what point are YOU trying to put across? It is just a jumble of words and letters put together in a random order.

You never answered my question....

If you had the choice between only LibDems and the Conservatives to vote from who would YOU vote for and why?

And I have to point out, yet again, that under British Constitution and Democracy I can abstain from voting and still have a say. What about all the MPS that abstain in the Westminster votes - do they get childishly told you didn't vote therefore you can no longer speak your mind?

Thomas, I presume you are a child - its about time you grow up, learn about democracy of Great Britain and learn that EVERYONE has a voice whether they vote or don't!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please[/p][/quote]Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....[/p][/quote]Again you post just doesn't make any sense - what point are YOU trying to put across? It is just a jumble of words and letters put together in a random order. You never answered my question.... If you had the choice between only LibDems and the Conservatives to vote from who would YOU vote for and why? And I have to point out, yet again, that under British Constitution and Democracy I can abstain from voting and still have a say. What about all the MPS that abstain in the Westminster votes - do they get childishly told you didn't vote therefore you can no longer speak your mind? Thomas, I presume you are a child - its about time you grow up, learn about democracy of Great Britain and learn that EVERYONE has a voice whether they vote or don't! The Righteous One

2:25pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please
Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....
Again you post just doesn't make any sense - what point are YOU trying to put across? It is just a jumble of words and letters put together in a random order. You never answered my question.... If you had the choice between only LibDems and the Conservatives to vote from who would YOU vote for and why? And I have to point out, yet again, that under British Constitution and Democracy I can abstain from voting and still have a say. What about all the MPS that abstain in the Westminster votes - do they get childishly told you didn't vote therefore you can no longer speak your mind? Thomas, I presume you are a child - its about time you grow up, learn about democracy of Great Britain and learn that EVERYONE has a voice whether they vote or don't!
The choice between liddems and the connys is irrelivant as im voting ukip so why waste my time thinking about something that dont concern me?. You obviousley dont agree with showing the courage of your convictions as you dont have any conviction choosing to sit on the fence and winge without making clear your beliefs so you cannot be questioned about them..... Or is it because you believe no man should rule as it should be Allahs rule?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please[/p][/quote]Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....[/p][/quote]Again you post just doesn't make any sense - what point are YOU trying to put across? It is just a jumble of words and letters put together in a random order. You never answered my question.... If you had the choice between only LibDems and the Conservatives to vote from who would YOU vote for and why? And I have to point out, yet again, that under British Constitution and Democracy I can abstain from voting and still have a say. What about all the MPS that abstain in the Westminster votes - do they get childishly told you didn't vote therefore you can no longer speak your mind? Thomas, I presume you are a child - its about time you grow up, learn about democracy of Great Britain and learn that EVERYONE has a voice whether they vote or don't![/p][/quote]The choice between liddems and the connys is irrelivant as im voting ukip so why waste my time thinking about something that dont concern me?. You obviousley dont agree with showing the courage of your convictions as you dont have any conviction choosing to sit on the fence and winge without making clear your beliefs so you cannot be questioned about them..... Or is it because you believe no man should rule as it should be Allahs rule? thomas222

2:38pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please
Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....
Again you post just doesn't make any sense - what point are YOU trying to put across? It is just a jumble of words and letters put together in a random order. You never answered my question.... If you had the choice between only LibDems and the Conservatives to vote from who would YOU vote for and why? And I have to point out, yet again, that under British Constitution and Democracy I can abstain from voting and still have a say. What about all the MPS that abstain in the Westminster votes - do they get childishly told you didn't vote therefore you can no longer speak your mind? Thomas, I presume you are a child - its about time you grow up, learn about democracy of Great Britain and learn that EVERYONE has a voice whether they vote or don't!
The choice between liddems and the connys is irrelivant as im voting ukip so why waste my time thinking about something that dont concern me?. You obviousley dont agree with showing the courage of your convictions as you dont have any conviction choosing to sit on the fence and winge without making clear your beliefs so you cannot be questioned about them..... Or is it because you believe no man should rule as it should be Allahs rule?
But like I asked and without avoiding the question - if was only between LibDems and The Tories who would you vote for?

I have the courage of my convictions, as I have shown over the last few posts you have tried to belittle me in, and instead shown yourself up. I have got things done without the need of hiding behind a political party skirt! I do not sit on the fence, as you say, but NONE of the political parties share teh majority of my beliefs and as such why should I waste my vote in voting for a party I do no believe in.

I do not believe in religion or whether there is a superior being controlling us as we have evolved over many centuries and beyond and we are still learning teh science behind it all. As for Allah, God or whatever - if you had properly read my posts furter up, which you didn't, then you will have learned that I went to a Roman Catholic school, but like I keep telling you I am not religious but believe have their faiths to keep them going (just like you have UKIP/NAZI/BNP as your religion)!!!

Now, until you can come up with any evidence of the rubbish you have spouted today, and been shown up with the rubbish, its about time you finished your free-period went back to class and learn to construct a sentance that people can actually read and understand.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please[/p][/quote]Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....[/p][/quote]Again you post just doesn't make any sense - what point are YOU trying to put across? It is just a jumble of words and letters put together in a random order. You never answered my question.... If you had the choice between only LibDems and the Conservatives to vote from who would YOU vote for and why? And I have to point out, yet again, that under British Constitution and Democracy I can abstain from voting and still have a say. What about all the MPS that abstain in the Westminster votes - do they get childishly told you didn't vote therefore you can no longer speak your mind? Thomas, I presume you are a child - its about time you grow up, learn about democracy of Great Britain and learn that EVERYONE has a voice whether they vote or don't![/p][/quote]The choice between liddems and the connys is irrelivant as im voting ukip so why waste my time thinking about something that dont concern me?. You obviousley dont agree with showing the courage of your convictions as you dont have any conviction choosing to sit on the fence and winge without making clear your beliefs so you cannot be questioned about them..... Or is it because you believe no man should rule as it should be Allahs rule?[/p][/quote]But like I asked and without avoiding the question - if was only between LibDems and The Tories who would you vote for? I have the courage of my convictions, as I have shown over the last few posts you have tried to belittle me in, and instead shown yourself up. I have got things done without the need of hiding behind a political party skirt! I do not sit on the fence, as you say, but NONE of the political parties share teh majority of my beliefs and as such why should I waste my vote in voting for a party I do no believe in. I do not believe in religion or whether there is a superior being controlling us as we have evolved over many centuries and beyond and we are still learning teh science behind it all. As for Allah, God or whatever - if you had properly read my posts furter up, which you didn't, then you will have learned that I went to a Roman Catholic school, but like I keep telling you I am not religious but believe have their faiths to keep them going (just like you have UKIP/NAZI/BNP as your religion)!!! Now, until you can come up with any evidence of the rubbish you have spouted today, and been shown up with the rubbish, its about time you finished your free-period went back to class and learn to construct a sentance that people can actually read and understand. The Righteous One

3:01pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Plenty to say on here Mr, why not transfer it to action if you feel so strongly in what you believe in, you will never change anything sitting on your arse just wanting the world you want without any input getting it. Action speaks louder than words... Words mean nothing and your words are never going to be heard because you choose to sit on the fence.So continue wanting but never getting as it dont exist for you!
Plenty to say on here Mr, why not transfer it to action if you feel so strongly in what you believe in, you will never change anything sitting on your arse just wanting the world you want without any input getting it. Action speaks louder than words... Words mean nothing and your words are never going to be heard because you choose to sit on the fence.So continue wanting but never getting as it dont exist for you! thomas222

3:04pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please
Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....
Again you post just doesn't make any sense - what point are YOU trying to put across? It is just a jumble of words and letters put together in a random order. You never answered my question.... If you had the choice between only LibDems and the Conservatives to vote from who would YOU vote for and why? And I have to point out, yet again, that under British Constitution and Democracy I can abstain from voting and still have a say. What about all the MPS that abstain in the Westminster votes - do they get childishly told you didn't vote therefore you can no longer speak your mind? Thomas, I presume you are a child - its about time you grow up, learn about democracy of Great Britain and learn that EVERYONE has a voice whether they vote or don't!
The choice between liddems and the connys is irrelivant as im voting ukip so why waste my time thinking about something that dont concern me?. You obviousley dont agree with showing the courage of your convictions as you dont have any conviction choosing to sit on the fence and winge without making clear your beliefs so you cannot be questioned about them..... Or is it because you believe no man should rule as it should be Allahs rule?
But like I asked and without avoiding the question - if was only between LibDems and The Tories who would you vote for? I have the courage of my convictions, as I have shown over the last few posts you have tried to belittle me in, and instead shown yourself up. I have got things done without the need of hiding behind a political party skirt! I do not sit on the fence, as you say, but NONE of the political parties share teh majority of my beliefs and as such why should I waste my vote in voting for a party I do no believe in. I do not believe in religion or whether there is a superior being controlling us as we have evolved over many centuries and beyond and we are still learning teh science behind it all. As for Allah, God or whatever - if you had properly read my posts furter up, which you didn't, then you will have learned that I went to a Roman Catholic school, but like I keep telling you I am not religious but believe have their faiths to keep them going (just like you have UKIP/NAZI/BNP as your religion)!!! Now, until you can come up with any evidence of the rubbish you have spouted today, and been shown up with the rubbish, its about time you finished your free-period went back to class and learn to construct a sentance that people can actually read and understand.
and its not just libdems and connys so its a bloody stupid question... but if it was as you insist i would choose when that happend... Happy now! : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: oops I meant earth not erath! Hint to editor - Edit button please[/p][/quote]Why because you dont agree? You are the minority and you dont vote so yr comments mean nothing....[/p][/quote]Again you post just doesn't make any sense - what point are YOU trying to put across? It is just a jumble of words and letters put together in a random order. You never answered my question.... If you had the choice between only LibDems and the Conservatives to vote from who would YOU vote for and why? And I have to point out, yet again, that under British Constitution and Democracy I can abstain from voting and still have a say. What about all the MPS that abstain in the Westminster votes - do they get childishly told you didn't vote therefore you can no longer speak your mind? Thomas, I presume you are a child - its about time you grow up, learn about democracy of Great Britain and learn that EVERYONE has a voice whether they vote or don't![/p][/quote]The choice between liddems and the connys is irrelivant as im voting ukip so why waste my time thinking about something that dont concern me?. You obviousley dont agree with showing the courage of your convictions as you dont have any conviction choosing to sit on the fence and winge without making clear your beliefs so you cannot be questioned about them..... Or is it because you believe no man should rule as it should be Allahs rule?[/p][/quote]But like I asked and without avoiding the question - if was only between LibDems and The Tories who would you vote for? I have the courage of my convictions, as I have shown over the last few posts you have tried to belittle me in, and instead shown yourself up. I have got things done without the need of hiding behind a political party skirt! I do not sit on the fence, as you say, but NONE of the political parties share teh majority of my beliefs and as such why should I waste my vote in voting for a party I do no believe in. I do not believe in religion or whether there is a superior being controlling us as we have evolved over many centuries and beyond and we are still learning teh science behind it all. As for Allah, God or whatever - if you had properly read my posts furter up, which you didn't, then you will have learned that I went to a Roman Catholic school, but like I keep telling you I am not religious but believe have their faiths to keep them going (just like you have UKIP/NAZI/BNP as your religion)!!! Now, until you can come up with any evidence of the rubbish you have spouted today, and been shown up with the rubbish, its about time you finished your free-period went back to class and learn to construct a sentance that people can actually read and understand.[/p][/quote]and its not just libdems and connys so its a bloody stupid question... but if it was as you insist i would choose when that happend... Happy now! : ) thomas222

3:11pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Plenty to say on here Mr, why not transfer it to action if you feel so strongly in what you believe in, you will never change anything sitting on your arse just wanting the world you want without any input getting it. Action speaks louder than words... Words mean nothing and your words are never going to be heard because you choose to sit on the fence.So continue wanting but never getting as it dont exist for you!
As I keep saying I have done plenty of action and sorted out a lots of wrong-doing in real life. Even met up with the Bolton station manager to sort out a few complaints, over the car-park which are being sorted as we speak. As well as saving bus routes, introduced safety regimes on certain roads - the list goes on - so yes I do a lot for any community I live in.

What do you do, apart from moan about immigration and lie about the actual truth?

Why do you not learn just because I do not waste my vote in on any political party because NONE of them suit my beliefs that is NOT sitting on teh fence. I have my convictions and stand by them, and pro-active about them - what about you?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Plenty to say on here Mr, why not transfer it to action if you feel so strongly in what you believe in, you will never change anything sitting on your arse just wanting the world you want without any input getting it. Action speaks louder than words... Words mean nothing and your words are never going to be heard because you choose to sit on the fence.So continue wanting but never getting as it dont exist for you![/p][/quote]As I keep saying I have done plenty of action and sorted out a lots of wrong-doing in real life. Even met up with the Bolton station manager to sort out a few complaints, over the car-park which are being sorted as we speak. As well as saving bus routes, introduced safety regimes on certain roads - the list goes on - so yes I do a lot for any community I live in. What do you do, apart from moan about immigration and lie about the actual truth? Why do you not learn just because I do not waste my vote in on any political party because NONE of them suit my beliefs that is NOT sitting on teh fence. I have my convictions and stand by them, and pro-active about them - what about you? The Righteous One

3:16pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Plenty to say on here Mr, why not transfer it to action if you feel so strongly in what you believe in, you will never change anything sitting on your arse just wanting the world you want without any input getting it. Action speaks louder than words... Words mean nothing and your words are never going to be heard because you choose to sit on the fence.So continue wanting but never getting as it dont exist for you!
As I keep saying I have done plenty of action and sorted out a lots of wrong-doing in real life. Even met up with the Bolton station manager to sort out a few complaints, over the car-park which are being sorted as we speak. As well as saving bus routes, introduced safety regimes on certain roads - the list goes on - so yes I do a lot for any community I live in. What do you do, apart from moan about immigration and lie about the actual truth? Why do you not learn just because I do not waste my vote in on any political party because NONE of them suit my beliefs that is NOT sitting on teh fence. I have my convictions and stand by them, and pro-active about them - what about you?
Yawn you dont vote so dont complain.......
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Plenty to say on here Mr, why not transfer it to action if you feel so strongly in what you believe in, you will never change anything sitting on your arse just wanting the world you want without any input getting it. Action speaks louder than words... Words mean nothing and your words are never going to be heard because you choose to sit on the fence.So continue wanting but never getting as it dont exist for you![/p][/quote]As I keep saying I have done plenty of action and sorted out a lots of wrong-doing in real life. Even met up with the Bolton station manager to sort out a few complaints, over the car-park which are being sorted as we speak. As well as saving bus routes, introduced safety regimes on certain roads - the list goes on - so yes I do a lot for any community I live in. What do you do, apart from moan about immigration and lie about the actual truth? Why do you not learn just because I do not waste my vote in on any political party because NONE of them suit my beliefs that is NOT sitting on teh fence. I have my convictions and stand by them, and pro-active about them - what about you?[/p][/quote]Yawn you dont vote so dont complain....... thomas222

3:27pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

I exercising MY opinion and act when needed - as part of my right in being British and living under the British Constitution and British Democracy which express the right to speak (not freedom) and right to vote - which are two DIFFERENT entities under the British Constitution and British Democracy.

I see you have no examples of what have been pro-active in, outside the relm of the internet. Now that doesn't surprise me.

Again, please learn about British politics and how it works in the United Kingdom as you are really showing yourself up as an ignorant illiterate.
I exercising MY opinion and act when needed - as part of my right in being British and living under the British Constitution and British Democracy which express the right to speak (not freedom) and right to vote - which are two DIFFERENT entities under the British Constitution and British Democracy. I see you have no examples of what have been pro-active in, outside the relm of the internet. Now that doesn't surprise me. Again, please learn about British politics and how it works in the United Kingdom as you are really showing yourself up as an ignorant illiterate. The Righteous One

3:37pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

What you believe in i dont care at all, what i do care about is you running your mouth of that my comments regarding Halliwell are not true when i live right in the middle of it and see it and live with it every day. Thats what i care about so unless you do live there and live with it every day shut up and dont comment.
What you believe in i dont care at all, what i do care about is you running your mouth of that my comments regarding Halliwell are not true when i live right in the middle of it and see it and live with it every day. Thats what i care about so unless you do live there and live with it every day shut up and dont comment. thomas222

3:43pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
What you believe in i dont care at all, what i do care about is you running your mouth of that my comments regarding Halliwell are not true when i live right in the middle of it and see it and live with it every day. Thats what i care about so unless you do live there and live with it every day shut up and dont comment.
Now the thing is, we are ALL entitled to an opinion and saying things like, "shut up and don't comment" just makes me think that you are a whinger, you are a keyboard warrior and because you ahve been proved wrong, on so many levels, today and not just by me - you are lashing out because you haven't got your own way!

I lived in Halliwell from the age of 5 up to 8 years ago, and still have friends and family in the area - just off Bennetts Lane, Arnold Street, Avenue Street, Brownlow Way. Some family still attend St Josephs Church etc etc etc and what you are saying is just completely wrong.

Yes I do care about my country but I also care about the TRUTH, something you are not capable of doing, by the looks of it!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What you believe in i dont care at all, what i do care about is you running your mouth of that my comments regarding Halliwell are not true when i live right in the middle of it and see it and live with it every day. Thats what i care about so unless you do live there and live with it every day shut up and dont comment.[/p][/quote]Now the thing is, we are ALL entitled to an opinion and saying things like, "shut up and don't comment" just makes me think that you are a whinger, you are a keyboard warrior and because you ahve been proved wrong, on so many levels, today and not just by me - you are lashing out because you haven't got your own way! I lived in Halliwell from the age of 5 up to 8 years ago, and still have friends and family in the area - just off Bennetts Lane, Arnold Street, Avenue Street, Brownlow Way. Some family still attend St Josephs Church etc etc etc and what you are saying is just completely wrong. Yes I do care about my country but I also care about the TRUTH, something you are not capable of doing, by the looks of it! The Righteous One

3:53pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Jackael says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What you believe in i dont care at all, what i do care about is you running your mouth of that my comments regarding Halliwell are not true when i live right in the middle of it and see it and live with it every day. Thats what i care about so unless you do live there and live with it every day shut up and dont comment.
Now the thing is, we are ALL entitled to an opinion and saying things like, "shut up and don't comment" just makes me think that you are a whinger, you are a keyboard warrior and because you ahve been proved wrong, on so many levels, today and not just by me - you are lashing out because you haven't got your own way!

I lived in Halliwell from the age of 5 up to 8 years ago, and still have friends and family in the area - just off Bennetts Lane, Arnold Street, Avenue Street, Brownlow Way. Some family still attend St Josephs Church etc etc etc and what you are saying is just completely wrong.

Yes I do care about my country but I also care about the TRUTH, something you are not capable of doing, by the looks of it!
You are full of cr@p buddy..!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What you believe in i dont care at all, what i do care about is you running your mouth of that my comments regarding Halliwell are not true when i live right in the middle of it and see it and live with it every day. Thats what i care about so unless you do live there and live with it every day shut up and dont comment.[/p][/quote]Now the thing is, we are ALL entitled to an opinion and saying things like, "shut up and don't comment" just makes me think that you are a whinger, you are a keyboard warrior and because you ahve been proved wrong, on so many levels, today and not just by me - you are lashing out because you haven't got your own way! I lived in Halliwell from the age of 5 up to 8 years ago, and still have friends and family in the area - just off Bennetts Lane, Arnold Street, Avenue Street, Brownlow Way. Some family still attend St Josephs Church etc etc etc and what you are saying is just completely wrong. Yes I do care about my country but I also care about the TRUTH, something you are not capable of doing, by the looks of it![/p][/quote]You are full of cr@p buddy..!! Jackael

3:56pm Wed 18 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Plenty to say on here Mr, why not transfer it to action if you feel so strongly in what you believe in, you will never change anything sitting on your arse just wanting the world you want without any input getting it. Action speaks louder than words... Words mean nothing and your words are never going to be heard because you choose to sit on the fence.So continue wanting but never getting as it dont exist for you!
As I keep saying I have done plenty of action and sorted out a lots of wrong-doing in real life. Even met up with the Bolton station manager to sort out a few complaints, over the car-park which are being sorted as we speak. As well as saving bus routes, introduced safety regimes on certain roads - the list goes on - so yes I do a lot for any community I live in. What do you do, apart from moan about immigration and lie about the actual truth? Why do you not learn just because I do not waste my vote in on any political party because NONE of them suit my beliefs that is NOT sitting on teh fence. I have my convictions and stand by them, and pro-active about them - what about you?
Yawn you dont vote so dont complain.......
This has to be the most ridiculous comment from one of society's many space cadets.

You don't vote so don't complain?

Thomas, the point T,R.One is trying to make about asking who you wouldvote for between lib dems and con is that none of these parties seem to be who you would choose, so the answer he probably and myself would expect you to say is none of them.

So if you look at a wider picture and take all the political parties lobbying at the minute and ask T R One which he would vote for then his response would also be none, hence that is why he doesn't vote, same reason I do not because there is no party that I want to see in power.

To say that because someone doesn't vote doesn't have a voice is simply stupid and so shorted sighted you cannot see the end of your nose.

At least that is what I think he is getting at
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Plenty to say on here Mr, why not transfer it to action if you feel so strongly in what you believe in, you will never change anything sitting on your arse just wanting the world you want without any input getting it. Action speaks louder than words... Words mean nothing and your words are never going to be heard because you choose to sit on the fence.So continue wanting but never getting as it dont exist for you![/p][/quote]As I keep saying I have done plenty of action and sorted out a lots of wrong-doing in real life. Even met up with the Bolton station manager to sort out a few complaints, over the car-park which are being sorted as we speak. As well as saving bus routes, introduced safety regimes on certain roads - the list goes on - so yes I do a lot for any community I live in. What do you do, apart from moan about immigration and lie about the actual truth? Why do you not learn just because I do not waste my vote in on any political party because NONE of them suit my beliefs that is NOT sitting on teh fence. I have my convictions and stand by them, and pro-active about them - what about you?[/p][/quote]Yawn you dont vote so dont complain.......[/p][/quote]This has to be the most ridiculous comment from one of society's many space cadets. You don't vote so don't complain? Thomas, the point T,R.One is trying to make about asking who you wouldvote for between lib dems and con is that none of these parties seem to be who you would choose, so the answer he probably and myself would expect you to say is none of them. So if you look at a wider picture and take all the political parties lobbying at the minute and ask T R One which he would vote for then his response would also be none, hence that is why he doesn't vote, same reason I do not because there is no party that I want to see in power. To say that because someone doesn't vote doesn't have a voice is simply stupid and so shorted sighted you cannot see the end of your nose. At least that is what I think he is getting at nozza17

4:30pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

Jim271 wrote:
Malcolm,

Do you ever actually ask any questions from the Council or does working as a traffic warden condition you not to ask but to conform.

Remember, to your employer you are someone to make money from, you don't owe them anything and they will get rid of you once your usefulness has been outlived.

Baa Baa Black Sheep
Bleedin ell Jim, you've given me that many jobs, I'm losing count! So, now I'm a traffic warden am I? Great!

Hope your heads feeling better after your little tumble on the ice rink earlier today.

UKIP if you want. I'm staying awake! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Malcolm, Do you ever actually ask any questions from the Council or does working as a traffic warden condition you not to ask but to conform. Remember, to your employer you are someone to make money from, you don't owe them anything and they will get rid of you once your usefulness has been outlived. Baa Baa Black Sheep[/p][/quote]Bleedin ell Jim, you've given me that many jobs, I'm losing count! So, now I'm a traffic warden am I? Great! Hope your heads feeling better after your little tumble on the ice rink earlier today. UKIP if you want. I'm staying awake! ;-) Malcolm Tucker

4:36pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

boltonchap wrote:
Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?
Best post I've read in a long while. It is entirely fact Vs perception.
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Clearly a sensitive subject this. Some argue from a factual perspective and others from their own perception and experience. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their mind. As for me - well I'm sitting on the fence: yes we have a need for more social housing and yes there are a lot of immigrants living in Bolton. As to where the latter are housed I don't know or care frankly, but they have to live somewhere for heavens sake. They're here so just deal with it. To those anti-immigration posters all the bleating and moaning and groaning won't change the situation so instead of putting up the barriers why not try and assist them to integrate and feel welcome? You may well be surprised; most of them just want to make a good life for themselves and their families and there's nothing wrong with that - is there?[/p][/quote]Best post I've read in a long while. It is entirely fact Vs perception. Malcolm Tucker

4:44pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
To Malcolm Tucker :

You keep spouting on about policy which I find amusing as I worked for Bolton council for a long time and can assure you, and any of the other readers/commenters on here that policy documents are written for inspectors of the councils operations and people like you.
They do not 100% reflect the workings of the council and I include Bolton at home in that as they are part of the council wether you like it or not.
If you would like me to explain why I can do but it sounds to me like you already know.
Please don't tell me about inspectors ensuring a policy is carried out as I met quite a few of them and can also assure you once they move from behind a desk they are lost.
You used to work for the Council? That explains so much about you!

Where you the one who was dismissed?

If you are agreeing with Thomas and Jim and are saying that a housing applicant gets priority based upon the colour of their skin, then again - like those 2 miscreants - produce the evidence to back up this claim. Because to anyone with half a brain - it is so blindingly obvious that its completely ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: To Malcolm Tucker : You keep spouting on about policy which I find amusing as I worked for Bolton council for a long time and can assure you, and any of the other readers/commenters on here that policy documents are written for inspectors of the councils operations and people like you. They do not 100% reflect the workings of the council and I include Bolton at home in that as they are part of the council wether you like it or not. If you would like me to explain why I can do but it sounds to me like you already know. Please don't tell me about inspectors ensuring a policy is carried out as I met quite a few of them and can also assure you once they move from behind a desk they are lost.[/p][/quote]You used to work for the Council? That explains so much about you! Where you the one who was dismissed? If you are agreeing with Thomas and Jim and are saying that a housing applicant gets priority based upon the colour of their skin, then again - like those 2 miscreants - produce the evidence to back up this claim. Because to anyone with half a brain - it is so blindingly obvious that its completely ridiculous. Malcolm Tucker

5:13pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Malcolm Tucker wrote:
cliff4treasurer wrote: To Malcolm Tucker : You keep spouting on about policy which I find amusing as I worked for Bolton council for a long time and can assure you, and any of the other readers/commenters on here that policy documents are written for inspectors of the councils operations and people like you. They do not 100% reflect the workings of the council and I include Bolton at home in that as they are part of the council wether you like it or not. If you would like me to explain why I can do but it sounds to me like you already know. Please don't tell me about inspectors ensuring a policy is carried out as I met quite a few of them and can also assure you once they move from behind a desk they are lost.
You used to work for the Council? That explains so much about you! Where you the one who was dismissed? If you are agreeing with Thomas and Jim and are saying that a housing applicant gets priority based upon the colour of their skin, then again - like those 2 miscreants - produce the evidence to back up this claim. Because to anyone with half a brain - it is so blindingly obvious that its completely ridiculous.
I would trust Labour as far as i could throw them with anything regarding immigratns. That lot have got us where we are now with their mental lets bring them in for the votes crime that is recorded as happening and the apology they made for it is to little to late. Good bye Labour your finished!!
[quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: To Malcolm Tucker : You keep spouting on about policy which I find amusing as I worked for Bolton council for a long time and can assure you, and any of the other readers/commenters on here that policy documents are written for inspectors of the councils operations and people like you. They do not 100% reflect the workings of the council and I include Bolton at home in that as they are part of the council wether you like it or not. If you would like me to explain why I can do but it sounds to me like you already know. Please don't tell me about inspectors ensuring a policy is carried out as I met quite a few of them and can also assure you once they move from behind a desk they are lost.[/p][/quote]You used to work for the Council? That explains so much about you! Where you the one who was dismissed? If you are agreeing with Thomas and Jim and are saying that a housing applicant gets priority based upon the colour of their skin, then again - like those 2 miscreants - produce the evidence to back up this claim. Because to anyone with half a brain - it is so blindingly obvious that its completely ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I would trust Labour as far as i could throw them with anything regarding immigratns. That lot have got us where we are now with their mental lets bring them in for the votes crime that is recorded as happening and the apology they made for it is to little to late. Good bye Labour your finished!! thomas222

8:02pm Wed 18 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The last three new build done in my area are:
Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants.
Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants.
10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
We said asylum seekers being housed under the asylum dispersal policy Bolton executives at the clown hall signed up to.

So ashamed of this they have hidden the truth by busing the immigrants under the cover of darkness from the prospourse south east while all the hard working tax payers in the north are asleep for another hard days work to pay taxes to this inept council.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]We said asylum seekers being housed under the asylum dispersal policy Bolton executives at the clown hall signed up to. So ashamed of this they have hidden the truth by busing the immigrants under the cover of darkness from the prospourse south east while all the hard working tax payers in the north are asleep for another hard days work to pay taxes to this inept council. serendipity2

8:20pm Wed 18 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

Translation services- executive pay - citizen ceromomies- rebranding- can bet your life it won't be spent fairly or wisely..

Squandered is the word your looking for.........
Translation services- executive pay - citizen ceromomies- rebranding- can bet your life it won't be spent fairly or wisely.. Squandered is the word your looking for......... serendipity2

8:56pm Wed 18 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

UKIP supports

The non-working of child bearing women!
The off-shore tax havens for their leaders and any other 3rd party that wants to donate!
Tax avoidance schemes!
Lying to the general public about anything and everything
Losing a British Identity BUT keeping a London identity!
Doesn't believe in Public Transport outside London!
Doesn't believe in the NHS outside London!
Wants to spend far more than what they would be saving from not being part of EU!
Creating a deeper debt by borrowing more!
Removing the minimum wage thus creating a poor class in the country again!
Believes in Apartheid - the separation of cultures and creation of ghetto's
Spending millions on stopping the Hs2 whilst wanting to spend 25% than HS2 by creating a High Speed line between Exeter and Newcastle via London.
Stopping of all electrification, unless it serves London!
Withdrawal of funds on new power stations thus creating brown and blackouts!

ALL THIS CAN BE SEEN READING THEIR POLICIES AND WEBSITE (www.ukip.org)

A vote for UKIP is taking this country back to the post-war period and bankrupting the country even further.

We didn't win World War Two to become more fascist, racially disciminiative than what Germany was at the time.. We won the war uphold the Right to Speak, The Right to improve ones Life, the Right to vote, The Right to be good neighbours, The Right to be compassionate, the Right to be friendly and open towards our neighbours. You have to remember if it wasn't for our friendship with many EU countries such as Poland, at the time, then we would never had been in the war and beaten the Axis powers!!!
UKIP supports The non-working of child bearing women! The off-shore tax havens for their leaders and any other 3rd party that wants to donate! Tax avoidance schemes! Lying to the general public about anything and everything Losing a British Identity BUT keeping a London identity! Doesn't believe in Public Transport outside London! Doesn't believe in the NHS outside London! Wants to spend far more than what they would be saving from not being part of EU! Creating a deeper debt by borrowing more! Removing the minimum wage thus creating a poor class in the country again! Believes in Apartheid - the separation of cultures and creation of ghetto's Spending millions on stopping the Hs2 whilst wanting to spend 25% than HS2 by creating a High Speed line between Exeter and Newcastle via London. Stopping of all electrification, unless it serves London! Withdrawal of funds on new power stations thus creating brown and blackouts! ALL THIS CAN BE SEEN READING THEIR POLICIES AND WEBSITE (www.ukip.org) A vote for UKIP is taking this country back to the post-war period and bankrupting the country even further. We didn't win World War Two to become more fascist, racially disciminiative than what Germany was at the time.. We won the war uphold the Right to Speak, The Right to improve ones Life, the Right to vote, The Right to be good neighbours, The Right to be compassionate, the Right to be friendly and open towards our neighbours. You have to remember if it wasn't for our friendship with many EU countries such as Poland, at the time, then we would never had been in the war and beaten the Axis powers!!! BWFC71

9:43pm Wed 18 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

LOOK CLIFF MORISS IS WARD COUNCILLOR FOR HALIWELL WARD AND LOOK AT THE STATE OF HIS WARD.... HOW CAN HE BE TRUSTED WITH THE REST OF THE TOWN LOOK WHATS COMING TO A WARD NEAR YOU THE SAME AS HAS HAPPENED TO HALIWELL AS WELL REPORTED IN THE BEN.
LOOK CLIFF MORISS IS WARD COUNCILLOR FOR HALIWELL WARD AND LOOK AT THE STATE OF HIS WARD.... HOW CAN HE BE TRUSTED WITH THE REST OF THE TOWN LOOK WHATS COMING TO A WARD NEAR YOU THE SAME AS HAS HAPPENED TO HALIWELL AS WELL REPORTED IN THE BEN. serendipity2

9:57pm Wed 18 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

UKIP supports

The non-working of child bearing women!
The off-shore tax havens for their leaders and any other 3rd party that wants to donate!
Tax avoidance schemes!
Lying to the general public about anything and everything
Losing a British Identity BUT keeping a London identity!
Doesn't believe in Public Transport outside London!
Doesn't believe in the NHS outside London!
Wants to spend far more than what they would be saving from not being part of EU!
Creating a deeper debt by borrowing more!
Removing the minimum wage thus creating a poor class in the country again!
Believes in Apartheid - the separation of cultures and creation of ghetto's
Spending millions on stopping the Hs2 whilst wanting to spend 25% than HS2 by creating a High Speed line between Exeter and Newcastle via London.
Stopping of all electrification, unless it serves London!
Withdrawal of funds on new power stations thus creating brown and blackouts!

ALL THIS CAN BE SEEN READING THEIR POLICIES AND WEBSITE (www.ukip.org)

A vote for UKIP is taking this country back to the post-war period and bankrupting the country even further.

We didn't win World War Two to become more fascist, racially disciminiative than what Germany was at the time.. We won the war uphold the Right to Speak, The Right to improve ones Life, the Right to vote, The Right to be good neighbours, The Right to be compassionate, the Right to be friendly and open towards our neighbours. You have to remember if it wasn't for our friendship with many EU countries such as Poland, at the time, then we would never had been in the war and beaten the Axis powers!!!

What's up, don't like the truth being told? At least I have given a web address to find the truth of what I say - you haven't!
UKIP supports The non-working of child bearing women! The off-shore tax havens for their leaders and any other 3rd party that wants to donate! Tax avoidance schemes! Lying to the general public about anything and everything Losing a British Identity BUT keeping a London identity! Doesn't believe in Public Transport outside London! Doesn't believe in the NHS outside London! Wants to spend far more than what they would be saving from not being part of EU! Creating a deeper debt by borrowing more! Removing the minimum wage thus creating a poor class in the country again! Believes in Apartheid - the separation of cultures and creation of ghetto's Spending millions on stopping the Hs2 whilst wanting to spend 25% than HS2 by creating a High Speed line between Exeter and Newcastle via London. Stopping of all electrification, unless it serves London! Withdrawal of funds on new power stations thus creating brown and blackouts! ALL THIS CAN BE SEEN READING THEIR POLICIES AND WEBSITE (www.ukip.org) A vote for UKIP is taking this country back to the post-war period and bankrupting the country even further. We didn't win World War Two to become more fascist, racially disciminiative than what Germany was at the time.. We won the war uphold the Right to Speak, The Right to improve ones Life, the Right to vote, The Right to be good neighbours, The Right to be compassionate, the Right to be friendly and open towards our neighbours. You have to remember if it wasn't for our friendship with many EU countries such as Poland, at the time, then we would never had been in the war and beaten the Axis powers!!! What's up, don't like the truth being told? At least I have given a web address to find the truth of what I say - you haven't! BWFC71

10:39pm Wed 18 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

Jim271 wrote:
I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years.

Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????
ARRH BOLTON COUNCIL ARMS LENGH MANAGEMENT OF THE COUNCIL HOUSING STOCK IT OWNS VIA (BOLTON AT HOME) , THIS COSY CONVNIENT WAY OF DODGING AWKWARD QUESTIONS THE TRUTH IS BOLTON COUNCIL ARE PULLING THE STRINGS THE ALMO IS JUST THE PUPETTS MOUTH MOVING TO THE COUNCILS WISHES.
WHO SETS THE CRITERIA FOR THE SELECTION PROCESS OF TENNANTS AND HOW IS THE CRITERIA ALLPIED ?


GO VIA YOUR MP
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: I tried to obtain a Freedom of Information request for how much social housing has been given to immigrants in recent years. Bolton Council refused to provide the information, what have they got to hide?????[/p][/quote]ARRH BOLTON COUNCIL ARMS LENGH MANAGEMENT OF THE COUNCIL HOUSING STOCK IT OWNS VIA (BOLTON AT HOME) , THIS COSY CONVNIENT WAY OF DODGING AWKWARD QUESTIONS THE TRUTH IS BOLTON COUNCIL ARE PULLING THE STRINGS THE ALMO IS JUST THE PUPETTS MOUTH MOVING TO THE COUNCILS WISHES. WHO SETS THE CRITERIA FOR THE SELECTION PROCESS OF TENNANTS AND HOW IS THE CRITERIA ALLPIED ? GO VIA YOUR MP serendipity2

10:52pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bungie44 says...

I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.
I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda. bungie44

11:04pm Wed 18 Dec 13

gnashville says...

thomas222 wrote:
The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'.

Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible??

Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else. gnashville

12:02am Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

gnashville wrote:
thomas222 wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.
Your really intelligent Pal.. do one!
[quote][p][bold]gnashville[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.[/p][/quote]Your really intelligent Pal.. do one! thomas222

8:27am Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

bungie44 wrote:
I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.
How do you know they are immigrants?

For all you know trhey are BRITISH born!

Just because the skin-colour is different does NOT make them immigrants - FACT!

Plus they houses and streets you talk about can you please advise as to which Housing Association they belong to.
[quote][p][bold]bungie44[/bold] wrote: I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are immigrants? For all you know trhey are BRITISH born! Just because the skin-colour is different does NOT make them immigrants - FACT! Plus they houses and streets you talk about can you please advise as to which Housing Association they belong to. The Righteous One

8:51am Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
bungie44 wrote: I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.
How do you know they are immigrants? For all you know trhey are BRITISH born! Just because the skin-colour is different does NOT make them immigrants - FACT! Plus they houses and streets you talk about can you please advise as to which Housing Association they belong to.
Seems many agree with me regarding these houses and surprise surprise they live in the area like me.. unlike you who live elsewhere. Phone Bolton at home for the info you want... we who live in these areas dont need any proof as we see it every day so unless you do dont blag otherwise. Your the liar and the games up....... You dont vote so you cant complain! ; )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bungie44[/bold] wrote: I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are immigrants? For all you know trhey are BRITISH born! Just because the skin-colour is different does NOT make them immigrants - FACT! Plus they houses and streets you talk about can you please advise as to which Housing Association they belong to.[/p][/quote]Seems many agree with me regarding these houses and surprise surprise they live in the area like me.. unlike you who live elsewhere. Phone Bolton at home for the info you want... we who live in these areas dont need any proof as we see it every day so unless you do dont blag otherwise. Your the liar and the games up....... You dont vote so you cant complain! ; ) thomas222

9:43am Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

thomas222 wrote:
gnashville wrote:
thomas222 wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.
Your really intelligent Pal.. do one!
Something you're not.

I would like to see these so called FACTS. Although I know that you won't be able to provide them, and that is the exact point you lose your argument and credability.

Suggest you look up in a dictionary exactly what FACT stands for as you are clearly mis-using the word.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gnashville[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.[/p][/quote]Your really intelligent Pal.. do one![/p][/quote]Something you're not. I would like to see these so called FACTS. Although I know that you won't be able to provide them, and that is the exact point you lose your argument and credability. Suggest you look up in a dictionary exactly what FACT stands for as you are clearly mis-using the word. nozza17

9:52am Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

nozza17 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
gnashville wrote:
thomas222 wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.
Your really intelligent Pal.. do one!
Something you're not. I would like to see these so called FACTS. Although I know that you won't be able to provide them, and that is the exact point you lose your argument and credability. Suggest you look up in a dictionary exactly what FACT stands for as you are clearly mis-using the word.
You know that info is private.... go and look for yourself as people who live there have and do.... you just wont accept the truth and your type of looney are finished....
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gnashville[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.[/p][/quote]Your really intelligent Pal.. do one![/p][/quote]Something you're not. I would like to see these so called FACTS. Although I know that you won't be able to provide them, and that is the exact point you lose your argument and credability. Suggest you look up in a dictionary exactly what FACT stands for as you are clearly mis-using the word.[/p][/quote]You know that info is private.... go and look for yourself as people who live there have and do.... you just wont accept the truth and your type of looney are finished.... thomas222

10:35am Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

Do you have that info then thomas? if so then post it, if not then it is not a FACT.

Don't mind you having your own opinions, that's fine, but just don't voice your opinions as facts.
Do you have that info then thomas? if so then post it, if not then it is not a FACT. Don't mind you having your own opinions, that's fine, but just don't voice your opinions as facts. nozza17

11:32am Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
bungie44 wrote: I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.
How do you know they are immigrants? For all you know trhey are BRITISH born! Just because the skin-colour is different does NOT make them immigrants - FACT! Plus they houses and streets you talk about can you please advise as to which Housing Association they belong to.
Seems many agree with me regarding these houses and surprise surprise they live in the area like me.. unlike you who live elsewhere. Phone Bolton at home for the info you want... we who live in these areas dont need any proof as we see it every day so unless you do dont blag otherwise. Your the liar and the games up....... You dont vote so you cant complain! ; )
No it is just you, and your UKIP-NAZI friends using the spare computers at work and home. Typical right extremist tactic!

Can you tell me if these "immigrants" are British born ot not, or is it just down to the colour of their skin that you are basing your assumption of immigrants on?

Can you tell me if they are in Bolton At Home homes or other Housing Associations or are they living in private rental homes?

Can you tell me if they are working?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bungie44[/bold] wrote: I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are immigrants? For all you know trhey are BRITISH born! Just because the skin-colour is different does NOT make them immigrants - FACT! Plus they houses and streets you talk about can you please advise as to which Housing Association they belong to.[/p][/quote]Seems many agree with me regarding these houses and surprise surprise they live in the area like me.. unlike you who live elsewhere. Phone Bolton at home for the info you want... we who live in these areas dont need any proof as we see it every day so unless you do dont blag otherwise. Your the liar and the games up....... You dont vote so you cant complain! ; )[/p][/quote]No it is just you, and your UKIP-NAZI friends using the spare computers at work and home. Typical right extremist tactic! Can you tell me if these "immigrants" are British born ot not, or is it just down to the colour of their skin that you are basing your assumption of immigrants on? Can you tell me if they are in Bolton At Home homes or other Housing Associations or are they living in private rental homes? Can you tell me if they are working? The Righteous One

12:44pm Thu 19 Dec 13

gnashville says...

thomas222 wrote:
gnashville wrote:
thomas222 wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.
That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.
Your really intelligent Pal.. do one!
"Your"? Or do you mean 'you're'?

Quality! See, I said you nutters are good for a laugh.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gnashville[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The last three new build done in my area are: Avenue Street approx 10 houses all given to immigrants. Vernon st approx 15 houses 90% given to immigrants. 10 houses brownlow way being built but already given 100% to immigrants. Fact!. Perhaps the bn could investigate and ask why.[/p][/quote]That's a good one. 'Vernon St...15 houses...90% given to immigrants. FACT!'. Erm, 90% of 15 is 13.5... please would you explain how that was possible?? Some of the goons on this site are quite 'special'. Good for a laugh if nothing else.[/p][/quote]Your really intelligent Pal.. do one![/p][/quote]"Your"? Or do you mean 'you're'? Quality! See, I said you nutters are good for a laugh. gnashville

12:52pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
bungie44 wrote: I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.
How do you know they are immigrants? For all you know trhey are BRITISH born! Just because the skin-colour is different does NOT make them immigrants - FACT! Plus they houses and streets you talk about can you please advise as to which Housing Association they belong to.
Seems many agree with me regarding these houses and surprise surprise they live in the area like me.. unlike you who live elsewhere. Phone Bolton at home for the info you want... we who live in these areas dont need any proof as we see it every day so unless you do dont blag otherwise. Your the liar and the games up....... You dont vote so you cant complain! ; )
No it is just you, and your UKIP-NAZI friends using the spare computers at work and home. Typical right extremist tactic! Can you tell me if these "immigrants" are British born ot not, or is it just down to the colour of their skin that you are basing your assumption of immigrants on? Can you tell me if they are in Bolton At Home homes or other Housing Associations or are they living in private rental homes? Can you tell me if they are working?
What has wanting to stop immigration got to do with being a Nazi you fool. What part of we are full up dont you get.... You dont vote so dont complain as you lose your right to change anything....... You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them.. You are the minority fool get used to it and ukip scares you to death as it means the **** footing walking on egg shells in fear of upsetting some minority group who have no respect for anyone but themselves...... Rise of the right is coming get used to it!!! : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bungie44[/bold] wrote: I live not a stones throw from Avenue St and can confirm that the houses that are being talked about are 95% tenanted by immigrants and have been from new. You can see this happening all over the town just look at Bridgeman St and High St from being built they have only been tenanted by non whites and by the way I am not being racial I am just stating the facts It`s just that some people on here refuse to see this if it does not suit their agenda.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are immigrants? For all you know trhey are BRITISH born! Just because the skin-colour is different does NOT make them immigrants - FACT! Plus they houses and streets you talk about can you please advise as to which Housing Association they belong to.[/p][/quote]Seems many agree with me regarding these houses and surprise surprise they live in the area like me.. unlike you who live elsewhere. Phone Bolton at home for the info you want... we who live in these areas dont need any proof as we see it every day so unless you do dont blag otherwise. Your the liar and the games up....... You dont vote so you cant complain! ; )[/p][/quote]No it is just you, and your UKIP-NAZI friends using the spare computers at work and home. Typical right extremist tactic! Can you tell me if these "immigrants" are British born ot not, or is it just down to the colour of their skin that you are basing your assumption of immigrants on? Can you tell me if they are in Bolton At Home homes or other Housing Associations or are they living in private rental homes? Can you tell me if they are working?[/p][/quote]What has wanting to stop immigration got to do with being a Nazi you fool. What part of we are full up dont you get.... You dont vote so dont complain as you lose your right to change anything....... You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them.. You are the minority fool get used to it and ukip scares you to death as it means the **** footing walking on egg shells in fear of upsetting some minority group who have no respect for anyone but themselves...... Rise of the right is coming get used to it!!! : ) thomas222

12:56pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

"What has wanting to stop immigration got to do with being a Nazi you fool"


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Re
ally?
Oh dear. "rolls eyes"
"What has wanting to stop immigration got to do with being a Nazi you fool" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Re ally? Oh dear. "rolls eyes" nozza17

12:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them

Where are you getting these figures from?

A magicians hat?
You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat? nozza17

12:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

"You dont vote so dont complain as you lose your right to change anything"

Show me where it states this. Is this some English law that I do not know about.

Also, have you broke up from school yet or is it next week?
"You dont vote so dont complain as you lose your right to change anything" Show me where it states this. Is this some English law that I do not know about. Also, have you broke up from school yet or is it next week? nozza17

1:00pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

nozza17 wrote:
You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?
Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?[/p][/quote]Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol thomas222

1:00pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

"Seems many agree with me regarding these houses and surprise surprise they live in the area like me.."

I don't. You're talking cr.a.p.
"Seems many agree with me regarding these houses and surprise surprise they live in the area like me.." I don't. You're talking cr.a.p. nozza17

1:04pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

The UK has the possibility of holding up to 3 times as many people as we do now!
70% of the population???? Guess work again by the looks of it considering the party has NO members of parliament and only has 4 MEP's (in the same Parliament they want to leave from!!!)
Coming out of the EU will NOT stop immigration - because the majority of immigrants come from outside the EU - now that is a true fact! Another true fact is that in the latest polls only 5% of those questioned would vote UKIP (so unless 5% of the voting public is actually 70% of the populous the it seems you have got your maths wrong again! What CSE grade did you get in Maths?

Your problem is that you see people with different coloured skin and don't like it! You hear people speaking different languiages and you don't like it. You see people working and you don't like it!

In fact you wouldn't like to have the Welsh or any of the Gaelic speaking nationals next to you either because they dont want to speak English. In fact you wouldn't like it if I lived next to you because I speak Dutch, Flemish, Afrikaan, Fresian and English to my fiance! And I have plenty of friends who speak Czech, Slovak, French, German and even Hindu.

Again you have to read your history for the stupid comment you made -
"What has wanting to stop immigration got to do with being a Nazi you fool" - you really are showing yourself up as a complete ignorant nobody!
The UK has the possibility of holding up to 3 times as many people as we do now! 70% of the population???? Guess work again by the looks of it considering the party has NO members of parliament and only has 4 MEP's (in the same Parliament they want to leave from!!!) Coming out of the EU will NOT stop immigration - because the majority of immigrants come from outside the EU - now that is a true fact! Another true fact is that in the latest polls only 5% of those questioned would vote UKIP (so unless 5% of the voting public is actually 70% of the populous the it seems you have got your maths wrong again! What CSE grade did you get in Maths? Your problem is that you see people with different coloured skin and don't like it! You hear people speaking different languiages and you don't like it. You see people working and you don't like it! In fact you wouldn't like to have the Welsh or any of the Gaelic speaking nationals next to you either because they dont want to speak English. In fact you wouldn't like it if I lived next to you because I speak Dutch, Flemish, Afrikaan, Fresian and English to my fiance! And I have plenty of friends who speak Czech, Slovak, French, German and even Hindu. Again you have to read your history for the stupid comment you made - "What has wanting to stop immigration got to do with being a Nazi you fool" - you really are showing yourself up as a complete ignorant nobody! The Righteous One

1:05pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?
Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol
Yes we will see come the elections and I would bet my house on it that UKIP will get nowhere near the amount of votes you predict.

They will be lucky to get more than 30% of the overall vote.

No, I do not vote, there are no parties that I want to see come into power with their current agendas. Unfortunately there is no one out there who can represent me. So should that mean I cannot be concerned about what is happening to MY country? Behave yourself child.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?[/p][/quote]Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol[/p][/quote]Yes we will see come the elections and I would bet my house on it that UKIP will get nowhere near the amount of votes you predict. They will be lucky to get more than 30% of the overall vote. No, I do not vote, there are no parties that I want to see come into power with their current agendas. Unfortunately there is no one out there who can represent me. So should that mean I cannot be concerned about what is happening to MY country? Behave yourself child. nozza17

1:06pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?
Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol
Forgot to add.

As per my previous question. Tell me where you are getting these figures from or can I assume the figures you project are your `educated` guess.

If you can show me where you get 70% that comes from a reputable source then I shall admit defeat.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?[/p][/quote]Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol[/p][/quote]Forgot to add. As per my previous question. Tell me where you are getting these figures from or can I assume the figures you project are your `educated` guess. If you can show me where you get 70% that comes from a reputable source then I shall admit defeat. nozza17

1:08pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

"What CSE grade did you get in Maths?"

Nothing yet as he is still to take them next year.
"What CSE grade did you get in Maths?" Nothing yet as he is still to take them next year. nozza17

1:15pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

nozza17 wrote:
"You dont vote so dont complain as you lose your right to change anything"

Show me where it states this. Is this some English law that I do not know about.

Also, have you broke up from school yet or is it next week?
Under The British Constitution, The Right To Vote does NOT equate to The Right To Speak. They are two completely different entities under the constitution!

In other words one does not have to vote to voice their opinion! (comprende, yet?)

Try looking up your British Constitution and British Democracies instead of being ognorant of the fact!


You really are selling UKIP badly in Bolton. I wonder by how many the number of people supporting teh club has dropped by since you tried to publicise it with all your lies.
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: "You dont vote so dont complain as you lose your right to change anything" Show me where it states this. Is this some English law that I do not know about. Also, have you broke up from school yet or is it next week?[/p][/quote]Under The British Constitution, The Right To Vote does NOT equate to The Right To Speak. They are two completely different entities under the constitution! In other words one does not have to vote to voice their opinion! (comprende, yet?) Try looking up your British Constitution and British Democracies instead of being ognorant of the fact! You really are selling UKIP badly in Bolton. I wonder by how many the number of people supporting teh club has dropped by since you tried to publicise it with all your lies. The Righteous One

1:20pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

I wasn't saying that I was simply quoting james.

I know the difference between right to vote vs right to speak.

I am assuming you are referring to James about being ignorant even though you have quoted me?
I wasn't saying that I was simply quoting james. I know the difference between right to vote vs right to speak. I am assuming you are referring to James about being ignorant even though you have quoted me? nozza17

1:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

nozza17 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?
Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol
Yes we will see come the elections and I would bet my house on it that UKIP will get nowhere near the amount of votes you predict. They will be lucky to get more than 30% of the overall vote. No, I do not vote, there are no parties that I want to see come into power with their current agendas. Unfortunately there is no one out there who can represent me. So should that mean I cannot be concerned about what is happening to MY country? Behave yourself child.
why do you and tr1 get so upset then when ukip crops up, running scared!!.... seems the three main partys are very very worried!!! Thats why they have been stealing all ukips ideas and backtracking on what their manifestos said. People vote to change things they dont like so your telling me your very happy with what you have got. If so why you two always on here winging and putting the world to rights??????
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?[/p][/quote]Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol[/p][/quote]Yes we will see come the elections and I would bet my house on it that UKIP will get nowhere near the amount of votes you predict. They will be lucky to get more than 30% of the overall vote. No, I do not vote, there are no parties that I want to see come into power with their current agendas. Unfortunately there is no one out there who can represent me. So should that mean I cannot be concerned about what is happening to MY country? Behave yourself child.[/p][/quote]why do you and tr1 get so upset then when ukip crops up, running scared!!.... seems the three main partys are very very worried!!! Thats why they have been stealing all ukips ideas and backtracking on what their manifestos said. People vote to change things they dont like so your telling me your very happy with what you have got. If so why you two always on here winging and putting the world to rights?????? thomas222

1:30pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?
Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol
Yes we will see come the elections and I would bet my house on it that UKIP will get nowhere near the amount of votes you predict. They will be lucky to get more than 30% of the overall vote. No, I do not vote, there are no parties that I want to see come into power with their current agendas. Unfortunately there is no one out there who can represent me. So should that mean I cannot be concerned about what is happening to MY country? Behave yourself child.
why do you and tr1 get so upset then when ukip crops up, running scared!!.... seems the three main partys are very very worried!!! Thats why they have been stealing all ukips ideas and backtracking on what their manifestos said. People vote to change things they dont like so your telling me your very happy with what you have got. If so why you two always on here winging and putting the world to rights??????
I'm not scared, believe it or not if my life depended on it and I had to vote one party in the it would most likely be UKIP.

I just hate it when people like you sound off with fake facts and figures and completely moronic comments without any foresight into what they are saying.

E.G
Facts = Something that is known or prooved to be true. eg, sky is blue, bolton lost 3-2 to Wigan Sunday 15th Dec 2013

What has immigration got to do with Nazis? = the Nazi part was the sole cause of the invasion of Poland starting WWII (That is summed up, please nobody quote me on all major events etc)

Everyone agrees with my vues, 70% of the population will vote UKIP = these are just assumptions you have made and cannot possibly know this. It's all false.


Please take a step back and think about what you're saying, research and gather information about your concerns and present them in a format that people can look at and then form educated views themselves rather than just a playground mentality of "I know someone who...blah blah blah"
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?[/p][/quote]Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol[/p][/quote]Yes we will see come the elections and I would bet my house on it that UKIP will get nowhere near the amount of votes you predict. They will be lucky to get more than 30% of the overall vote. No, I do not vote, there are no parties that I want to see come into power with their current agendas. Unfortunately there is no one out there who can represent me. So should that mean I cannot be concerned about what is happening to MY country? Behave yourself child.[/p][/quote]why do you and tr1 get so upset then when ukip crops up, running scared!!.... seems the three main partys are very very worried!!! Thats why they have been stealing all ukips ideas and backtracking on what their manifestos said. People vote to change things they dont like so your telling me your very happy with what you have got. If so why you two always on here winging and putting the world to rights??????[/p][/quote]I'm not scared, believe it or not if my life depended on it and I had to vote one party in the it would most likely be UKIP. I just hate it when people like you sound off with fake facts and figures and completely moronic comments without any foresight into what they are saying. E.G Facts = Something that is known or prooved to be true. eg, sky is blue, bolton lost 3-2 to Wigan Sunday 15th Dec 2013 What has immigration got to do with Nazis? = the Nazi part was the sole cause of the invasion of Poland starting WWII (That is summed up, please nobody quote me on all major events etc) Everyone agrees with my vues, 70% of the population will vote UKIP = these are just assumptions you have made and cannot possibly know this. It's all false. Please take a step back and think about what you're saying, research and gather information about your concerns and present them in a format that people can look at and then form educated views themselves rather than just a playground mentality of "I know someone who...blah blah blah" nozza17

1:37pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

"Rise of the right is coming get used to it!!! : )"

Zieg hiel mein fuhrer! (or is it meine fuhreren?)
"Rise of the right is coming get used to it!!! : )" Zieg hiel mein fuhrer! (or is it meine fuhreren?) The Righteous One

1:46pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

nozza17 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?
Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol
Yes we will see come the elections and I would bet my house on it that UKIP will get nowhere near the amount of votes you predict. They will be lucky to get more than 30% of the overall vote. No, I do not vote, there are no parties that I want to see come into power with their current agendas. Unfortunately there is no one out there who can represent me. So should that mean I cannot be concerned about what is happening to MY country? Behave yourself child.
why do you and tr1 get so upset then when ukip crops up, running scared!!.... seems the three main partys are very very worried!!! Thats why they have been stealing all ukips ideas and backtracking on what their manifestos said. People vote to change things they dont like so your telling me your very happy with what you have got. If so why you two always on here winging and putting the world to rights??????
I'm not scared, believe it or not if my life depended on it and I had to vote one party in the it would most likely be UKIP. I just hate it when people like you sound off with fake facts and figures and completely moronic comments without any foresight into what they are saying. E.G Facts = Something that is known or prooved to be true. eg, sky is blue, bolton lost 3-2 to Wigan Sunday 15th Dec 2013 What has immigration got to do with Nazis? = the Nazi part was the sole cause of the invasion of Poland starting WWII (That is summed up, please nobody quote me on all major events etc) Everyone agrees with my vues, 70% of the population will vote UKIP = these are just assumptions you have made and cannot possibly know this. It's all false. Please take a step back and think about what you're saying, research and gather information about your concerns and present them in a format that people can look at and then form educated views themselves rather than just a playground mentality of "I know someone who...blah blah blah"
The Nazis invaded other countries around them while ukip want to stop them coming in to their own country, they also murdered millions of people while ukip dont even want to punch anyone........ How is that the same ?

70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently.
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: You hate ukip but it seems 70% of the population agree with them Where are you getting these figures from? A magicians hat?[/p][/quote]Watch this space mister! : ) Bet you dont vote either! lol[/p][/quote]Yes we will see come the elections and I would bet my house on it that UKIP will get nowhere near the amount of votes you predict. They will be lucky to get more than 30% of the overall vote. No, I do not vote, there are no parties that I want to see come into power with their current agendas. Unfortunately there is no one out there who can represent me. So should that mean I cannot be concerned about what is happening to MY country? Behave yourself child.[/p][/quote]why do you and tr1 get so upset then when ukip crops up, running scared!!.... seems the three main partys are very very worried!!! Thats why they have been stealing all ukips ideas and backtracking on what their manifestos said. People vote to change things they dont like so your telling me your very happy with what you have got. If so why you two always on here winging and putting the world to rights??????[/p][/quote]I'm not scared, believe it or not if my life depended on it and I had to vote one party in the it would most likely be UKIP. I just hate it when people like you sound off with fake facts and figures and completely moronic comments without any foresight into what they are saying. E.G Facts = Something that is known or prooved to be true. eg, sky is blue, bolton lost 3-2 to Wigan Sunday 15th Dec 2013 What has immigration got to do with Nazis? = the Nazi part was the sole cause of the invasion of Poland starting WWII (That is summed up, please nobody quote me on all major events etc) Everyone agrees with my vues, 70% of the population will vote UKIP = these are just assumptions you have made and cannot possibly know this. It's all false. Please take a step back and think about what you're saying, research and gather information about your concerns and present them in a format that people can look at and then form educated views themselves rather than just a playground mentality of "I know someone who...blah blah blah"[/p][/quote]The Nazis invaded other countries around them while ukip want to stop them coming in to their own country, they also murdered millions of people while ukip dont even want to punch anyone........ How is that the same ? 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. thomas222

2:02pm Thu 19 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently.


This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection.

Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection.

Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began.
That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand.

Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.
70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence. nozza17

2:08pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

nozza17 wrote:
70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.
You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi!
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.[/p][/quote]You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi! thomas222

2:10pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

nozza17 wrote:
I wasn't saying that I was simply quoting james.

I know the difference between right to vote vs right to speak.

I am assuming you are referring to James about being ignorant even though you have quoted me?
Apologies, so I was.

My complete error on that.
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: I wasn't saying that I was simply quoting james. I know the difference between right to vote vs right to speak. I am assuming you are referring to James about being ignorant even though you have quoted me?[/p][/quote]Apologies, so I was. My complete error on that. The Righteous One

2:11pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

its what happens when not fully concentrating as having to fill out 2012 tax return for the belastingdienst!
its what happens when not fully concentrating as having to fill out 2012 tax return for the belastingdienst! The Righteous One

2:19pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote:
70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.
You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi!
If you are comparing the EU to Nazism, then what is the USA or even the States of Australia? Or even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.[/p][/quote]You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi![/p][/quote]If you are comparing the EU to Nazism, then what is the USA or even the States of Australia? Or even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? The Righteous One

2:26pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.
You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi!
If you are comparing the EU to Nazism, then what is the USA or even the States of Australia? Or even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
So are you for or against the eu superstate the eu wants, you didnt answer the question, either you are or you arnt?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.[/p][/quote]You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi![/p][/quote]If you are comparing the EU to Nazism, then what is the USA or even the States of Australia? Or even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?[/p][/quote]So are you for or against the eu superstate the eu wants, you didnt answer the question, either you are or you arnt? thomas222

2:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

I am very PRO-EU but it does need amending.

A lot fo the laws they have introduced ARE beneficial such as the minimum wage, working hours directive and many more as well as putting caps on mobile phone companies for their roamining charges - which would never had seen the light of day IF we were waiting for Westminster.

Even with the open doors policy (the Schengen Agreement - of which Switzerland. Lichtenstein and Sweden are also party to) - which the UK NEVER signed up to and does not implement - as one does have to show a passport on both entry and exit of the UK, unlike most of the other EU Countries - but lets not forget we have NEVER had to show passports when sailing to/from Eire!

And the forthcoming financial laws which are going to be introduced against teh Banks (of which the UK will not be part of) go far deeper than what teh UK is goingt o be doing and as uch if anything like what happened 7 years ago happens again the the Bankers can and will be prosecuted - unlike in the UK

Also lets not forget that it was thansk to the EU that I got a fantastic job, and a great fiance, in The Netherlands where I lived for over 7 years before moving back here with the job - movement is far easier!

There are far many pluses than what people seem to realise with the EU than the negatives - all the media do is highlight the negative and never the positive because negativity sells!!!!

Yes there are some downsides, but open boarders isn't one of them - as it works both ways. How many British live and work within the Eurozone???? (more than what you think) And it is those downsides which do need to be addressed.

If the EU Parliament and the EU Central Bank had both been based in London, would you have been happy??? Thats the point with most Europeans, British included, they feel excluded because the powers are NOT in their country!!! But funnily enough they are happy with teh good stuff which comes from Brussels/Luxembourg/
Strasbourg - so are the UKIP members (Farage himself has claimed well over €5million in expenses for the last 18 months alone!!!! - The FT, and from teh EU website itself)
I am very PRO-EU but it does need amending. A lot fo the laws they have introduced ARE beneficial such as the minimum wage, working hours directive and many more as well as putting caps on mobile phone companies for their roamining charges - which would never had seen the light of day IF we were waiting for Westminster. Even with the open doors policy (the Schengen Agreement - of which Switzerland. Lichtenstein and Sweden are also party to) - which the UK NEVER signed up to and does not implement - as one does have to show a passport on both entry and exit of the UK, unlike most of the other EU Countries - but lets not forget we have NEVER had to show passports when sailing to/from Eire! And the forthcoming financial laws which are going to be introduced against teh Banks (of which the UK will not be part of) go far deeper than what teh UK is goingt o be doing and as uch if anything like what happened 7 years ago happens again the the Bankers can and will be prosecuted - unlike in the UK Also lets not forget that it was thansk to the EU that I got a fantastic job, and a great fiance, in The Netherlands where I lived for over 7 years before moving back here with the job - movement is far easier! There are far many pluses than what people seem to realise with the EU than the negatives - all the media do is highlight the negative and never the positive because negativity sells!!!! Yes there are some downsides, but open boarders isn't one of them - as it works both ways. How many British live and work within the Eurozone???? (more than what you think) And it is those downsides which do need to be addressed. If the EU Parliament and the EU Central Bank had both been based in London, would you have been happy??? Thats the point with most Europeans, British included, they feel excluded because the powers are NOT in their country!!! But funnily enough they are happy with teh good stuff which comes from Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - so are the UKIP members (Farage himself has claimed well over €5million in expenses for the last 18 months alone!!!! - The FT, and from teh EU website itself) The Righteous One

3:03pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.
You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi!
If you are comparing the EU to Nazism, then what is the USA or even the States of Australia? Or even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
So are you for or against the eu superstate the eu wants, you didnt answer the question, either you are or you arnt?
btw I answered but you NEVER dis ask that question, until that last post - you made many statements, though!

So please stop telling fibs and making up things to try to belittle people!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.[/p][/quote]You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi![/p][/quote]If you are comparing the EU to Nazism, then what is the USA or even the States of Australia? Or even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?[/p][/quote]So are you for or against the eu superstate the eu wants, you didnt answer the question, either you are or you arnt?[/p][/quote]btw I answered but you NEVER dis ask that question, until that last post - you made many statements, though! So please stop telling fibs and making up things to try to belittle people! The Righteous One

3:10pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.
You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi!
If you are comparing the EU to Nazism, then what is the USA or even the States of Australia? Or even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
So are you for or against the eu superstate the eu wants, you didnt answer the question, either you are or you arnt?
btw I answered but you NEVER dis ask that question, until that last post - you made many statements, though! So please stop telling fibs and making up things to try to belittle people!
You dont vote so dont expect to get the things you want. No one knows your views as you dont tell them what you want as they will never know you... why not open your own political party if your ideas are better than whats out there now ?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: 70% of people wanting immigration stopped and not 70% will vote for ukip. These statistics you can find on most newspapers who have surveyed as the sun did recently. This is the sort of thing I was asking for. They are not facts and only 70% of the Suns customer base. It is not a true reflection. Everything you are saying has been fabricated. They are not a true reflection. Do you know why Germany invaded Poland. It was because the Nazi party wanted to stop mass immigration from Poland. First they stopped immigration then when that wasn't enough the invasion began. That is why you can relate one to the other. Now do you understand. Like I said I appreciate you have you're own opinions and views and I am sure there would be a few that we would share but you really need to look at the way you put your arguments forward. They are lazy and badly thought out and you are relying on tin pot newspapers who's only priority are to sell copies by appealing to a certain crowd for your so called evidence.[/p][/quote]You stick to yours and ill stick to mine. Nice to know you believe in something even if it is the eu trying to make one super state. Now thats a Nazi![/p][/quote]If you are comparing the EU to Nazism, then what is the USA or even the States of Australia? Or even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?[/p][/quote]So are you for or against the eu superstate the eu wants, you didnt answer the question, either you are or you arnt?[/p][/quote]btw I answered but you NEVER dis ask that question, until that last post - you made many statements, though! So please stop telling fibs and making up things to try to belittle people![/p][/quote]You dont vote so dont expect to get the things you want. No one knows your views as you dont tell them what you want as they will never know you... why not open your own political party if your ideas are better than whats out there now ? thomas222

3:14pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

NO!!!

You NEVER asked the question - that is deliberate tactics to say that I don't vote therefore I have no say. YOU NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, THEREFORE YOU ARE AT FAULT - I am not a mind reader and I do not have a crystal ball - but heyho you must have printed that question in The Sun!!!

RENEMBER THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION ALLOWS ME TO THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY WHETHER I VOTE OR NOT!! - Now that is a fact, and if you don't believe it then read it.

And if you don't like it why not change UKIP's policy because even they beleiev in that part of the constitution!

And you DID NOT ask the question!
NO!!! You NEVER asked the question - that is deliberate tactics to say that I don't vote therefore I have no say. YOU NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, THEREFORE YOU ARE AT FAULT - I am not a mind reader and I do not have a crystal ball - but heyho you must have printed that question in The Sun!!! RENEMBER THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION ALLOWS ME TO THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY WHETHER I VOTE OR NOT!! - Now that is a fact, and if you don't believe it then read it. And if you don't like it why not change UKIP's policy because even they beleiev in that part of the constitution! And you DID NOT ask the question! The Righteous One

3:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
NO!!! You NEVER asked the question - that is deliberate tactics to say that I don't vote therefore I have no say. YOU NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, THEREFORE YOU ARE AT FAULT - I am not a mind reader and I do not have a crystal ball - but heyho you must have printed that question in The Sun!!! RENEMBER THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION ALLOWS ME TO THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY WHETHER I VOTE OR NOT!! - Now that is a fact, and if you don't believe it then read it. And if you don't like it why not change UKIP's policy because even they beleiev in that part of the constitution! And you DID NOT ask the question!
Very clever writing this off the post and your tactic of answering a question with another question is boring me. Once again i ask why not open your own political party if your ideas are better than whats out there now?

Also what are newspapers that are not tin pot in your opinion?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: NO!!! You NEVER asked the question - that is deliberate tactics to say that I don't vote therefore I have no say. YOU NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, THEREFORE YOU ARE AT FAULT - I am not a mind reader and I do not have a crystal ball - but heyho you must have printed that question in The Sun!!! RENEMBER THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION ALLOWS ME TO THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY WHETHER I VOTE OR NOT!! - Now that is a fact, and if you don't believe it then read it. And if you don't like it why not change UKIP's policy because even they beleiev in that part of the constitution! And you DID NOT ask the question![/p][/quote]Very clever writing this off the post and your tactic of answering a question with another question is boring me. Once again i ask why not open your own political party if your ideas are better than whats out there now? Also what are newspapers that are not tin pot in your opinion? thomas222

3:39pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Thomas,

What do you consider to be a question in what I replied? (and that is a question)

Not once did I actually ask a question in that response of mine!

As for my own Political Party - No thanks, I do not have the time, due to work, or the money to campaign, unless, of course, you want to fund me. Plus the fact I have a criminal conviction, for a minor road offence (as all traffic laws are criminal convictions), means I cannot stand in an election.

Also I did not say that any newspapers were tin-pot!

But I tend to stay away from newspapers and listen/watch many news broadcasts to gain a middle opinion as some broadcasters such as CNN, France 24 and BBC are left wing whilst Fox News and Russia Today and ITN are right-winged - so the true story is always somewhere in the middle!
Thomas, What do you consider to be a question in what I replied? (and that is a question) Not once did I actually ask a question in that response of mine! As for my own Political Party - No thanks, I do not have the time, due to work, or the money to campaign, unless, of course, you want to fund me. Plus the fact I have a criminal conviction, for a minor road offence (as all traffic laws are criminal convictions), means I cannot stand in an election. Also I did not say that any newspapers were tin-pot! But I tend to stay away from newspapers and listen/watch many news broadcasts to gain a middle opinion as some broadcasters such as CNN, France 24 and BBC are left wing whilst Fox News and Russia Today and ITN are right-winged - so the true story is always somewhere in the middle! The Righteous One

3:48pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas, What do you consider to be a question in what I replied? (and that is a question) Not once did I actually ask a question in that response of mine! As for my own Political Party - No thanks, I do not have the time, due to work, or the money to campaign, unless, of course, you want to fund me. Plus the fact I have a criminal conviction, for a minor road offence (as all traffic laws are criminal convictions), means I cannot stand in an election. Also I did not say that any newspapers were tin-pot! But I tend to stay away from newspapers and listen/watch many news broadcasts to gain a middle opinion as some broadcasters such as CNN, France 24 and BBC are left wing whilst Fox News and Russia Today and ITN are right-winged - so the true story is always somewhere in the middle!
on the fence again then.....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, What do you consider to be a question in what I replied? (and that is a question) Not once did I actually ask a question in that response of mine! As for my own Political Party - No thanks, I do not have the time, due to work, or the money to campaign, unless, of course, you want to fund me. Plus the fact I have a criminal conviction, for a minor road offence (as all traffic laws are criminal convictions), means I cannot stand in an election. Also I did not say that any newspapers were tin-pot! But I tend to stay away from newspapers and listen/watch many news broadcasts to gain a middle opinion as some broadcasters such as CNN, France 24 and BBC are left wing whilst Fox News and Russia Today and ITN are right-winged - so the true story is always somewhere in the middle![/p][/quote]on the fence again then..... thomas222

3:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas, What do you consider to be a question in what I replied? (and that is a question) Not once did I actually ask a question in that response of mine! As for my own Political Party - No thanks, I do not have the time, due to work, or the money to campaign, unless, of course, you want to fund me. Plus the fact I have a criminal conviction, for a minor road offence (as all traffic laws are criminal convictions), means I cannot stand in an election. Also I did not say that any newspapers were tin-pot! But I tend to stay away from newspapers and listen/watch many news broadcasts to gain a middle opinion as some broadcasters such as CNN, France 24 and BBC are left wing whilst Fox News and Russia Today and ITN are right-winged - so the true story is always somewhere in the middle!
on the fence again then.....
No!!!

I gain the story from all angles and then make my own viewpoint rather than just believeing one point of view. Its about getting ALL the evidence to form a balanced and TRUE opinion rather then forming one based on right wiong rubbish ro left wing rubbish which both consist of lies and false reporting - I believe in evidence and forming MY OWN opinion rather than someone else's! That makes me an individual rather than a sheep (oops I mean a follower)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, What do you consider to be a question in what I replied? (and that is a question) Not once did I actually ask a question in that response of mine! As for my own Political Party - No thanks, I do not have the time, due to work, or the money to campaign, unless, of course, you want to fund me. Plus the fact I have a criminal conviction, for a minor road offence (as all traffic laws are criminal convictions), means I cannot stand in an election. Also I did not say that any newspapers were tin-pot! But I tend to stay away from newspapers and listen/watch many news broadcasts to gain a middle opinion as some broadcasters such as CNN, France 24 and BBC are left wing whilst Fox News and Russia Today and ITN are right-winged - so the true story is always somewhere in the middle![/p][/quote]on the fence again then.....[/p][/quote]No!!! I gain the story from all angles and then make my own viewpoint rather than just believeing one point of view. Its about getting ALL the evidence to form a balanced and TRUE opinion rather then forming one based on right wiong rubbish ro left wing rubbish which both consist of lies and false reporting - I believe in evidence and forming MY OWN opinion rather than someone else's! That makes me an individual rather than a sheep (oops I mean a follower) The Righteous One

3:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

But you haven't once answered any of my questions -

Talk about being very ignorant. Here I am answering yours, pose you some and NOTHING!!!

How do you expect me to form an opinion whether I should vote UKIP or not when you don't answer questions???? Again you are letting your party by not answetring and as such losing more potential voters.
But you haven't once answered any of my questions - Talk about being very ignorant. Here I am answering yours, pose you some and NOTHING!!! How do you expect me to form an opinion whether I should vote UKIP or not when you don't answer questions???? Again you are letting your party by not answetring and as such losing more potential voters. The Righteous One

5:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Your a Jack of all trades master of none then!

Very easy to have a opinion about someones Political beliefs while at the same time not having any yourself except to swipe at others who do.If you are looking for the perfect party who will have all your wants will never exist as voting isnt about just joining a party because its all what one wants themselves,its also about wanting to change the things you dont like. You will never be in that debate because you dont vote.
Your a Jack of all trades master of none then! Very easy to have a opinion about someones Political beliefs while at the same time not having any yourself except to swipe at others who do.If you are looking for the perfect party who will have all your wants will never exist as voting isnt about just joining a party because its all what one wants themselves,its also about wanting to change the things you dont like. You will never be in that debate because you dont vote. thomas222

5:43pm Thu 19 Dec 13

boltonchap says...

Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments?
Just a thought.
Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments? Just a thought. boltonchap

10:19pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
But you haven't once answered any of my questions - Talk about being very ignorant. Here I am answering yours, pose you some and NOTHING!!! How do you expect me to form an opinion whether I should vote UKIP or not when you don't answer questions???? Again you are letting your party by not answetring and as such losing more potential voters.
Rest in peace Lee Riggby can you at least agree with that TR1 ?

Thats what immigration has caused!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But you haven't once answered any of my questions - Talk about being very ignorant. Here I am answering yours, pose you some and NOTHING!!! How do you expect me to form an opinion whether I should vote UKIP or not when you don't answer questions???? Again you are letting your party by not answetring and as such losing more potential voters.[/p][/quote]Rest in peace Lee Riggby can you at least agree with that TR1 ? Thats what immigration has caused! thomas222

11:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But you haven't once answered any of my questions - Talk about being very ignorant. Here I am answering yours, pose you some and NOTHING!!! How do you expect me to form an opinion whether I should vote UKIP or not when you don't answer questions???? Again you are letting your party by not answetring and as such losing more potential voters.
Rest in peace Lee Riggby can you at least agree with that TR1 ?

Thats what immigration has caused!
You cannot even spell Lee Rigby's name right!!!! Although the sentiment is there!

They were British citizens, by the way!!!!

So how can that be blamed on Immigration?

Lets not forget even if we do leave the EU that will not stop immigrants from EU and non-EU countries coming into the UK!!!!

So what are your views on Irish killing British - the same Irish that are part of the United Kingdom? And yes I was caught up in the 1996 IRA bombing of Manchester the previous one before that in 1992 when they directed us innocents directly into the path of one of their bombs!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But you haven't once answered any of my questions - Talk about being very ignorant. Here I am answering yours, pose you some and NOTHING!!! How do you expect me to form an opinion whether I should vote UKIP or not when you don't answer questions???? Again you are letting your party by not answetring and as such losing more potential voters.[/p][/quote]Rest in peace Lee Riggby can you at least agree with that TR1 ? Thats what immigration has caused![/p][/quote]You cannot even spell Lee Rigby's name right!!!! Although the sentiment is there! They were British citizens, by the way!!!! So how can that be blamed on Immigration? Lets not forget even if we do leave the EU that will not stop immigrants from EU and non-EU countries coming into the UK!!!! So what are your views on Irish killing British - the same Irish that are part of the United Kingdom? And yes I was caught up in the 1996 IRA bombing of Manchester the previous one before that in 1992 when they directed us innocents directly into the path of one of their bombs!!! BWFC71

11:26pm Thu 19 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

boltonchap wrote:
Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments?
Just a thought.
I work long hours, no lunch and have two screens open at same time (All thanks to Microsoft Windows 7 and 8) so I can do my work whilst keeping an eye as to what is happening on here.

It is a concept you may not know about - Multi-tasking

Plus with wifi I can be online via phone or laptop whilst travelling!!!
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]I work long hours, no lunch and have two screens open at same time (All thanks to Microsoft Windows 7 and 8) so I can do my work whilst keeping an eye as to what is happening on here. It is a concept you may not know about - Multi-tasking Plus with wifi I can be online via phone or laptop whilst travelling!!! BWFC71

11:34pm Thu 19 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Your a Jack of all trades master of none then!

Very easy to have a opinion about someones Political beliefs while at the same time not having any yourself except to swipe at others who do.If you are looking for the perfect party who will have all your wants will never exist as voting isnt about just joining a party because its all what one wants themselves,its also about wanting to change the things you dont like. You will never be in that debate because you dont vote.
What have you helped to get chaged either by yourself or part of UKIP?

I have listed as to what I have helped to keep or get changed wwithin the Bolton community and will continue to do so

Latest one was my campaign with Bolton Station car-park for better parking - guess what they have listened to mine and other people's views which I had gained, they then looked at the situation themselves and actually agree with what I (the leader) and others (whom I asked and got views from) have said and will be changing the layout of the car park from mid-january!!!

I am currently in discussions with TfGM, David Chadwick and other councillors and members of the TfGM with regards to thee provision of the subsidised bus routes in the town and how they can be improved without actually spending more money and I have plans which actually reduce the cost - so watch his space!

I am also in contact with a couple of MP's and the TOC;s with regards to the situation we currently have with the trains....


I also helped to create partnerships, in my last job, between companies in both The Netherlands (esp Almere and Amsterdam) and UK (esp Bolton and Manchester) to create a greater understanding of working communities and cultures with job swaps, job shadowing and a greater community feel
The list continues and I have done so much more as well.

Again, I ask what have you helped to change either in Bolton or in the greater community?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Your a Jack of all trades master of none then! Very easy to have a opinion about someones Political beliefs while at the same time not having any yourself except to swipe at others who do.If you are looking for the perfect party who will have all your wants will never exist as voting isnt about just joining a party because its all what one wants themselves,its also about wanting to change the things you dont like. You will never be in that debate because you dont vote.[/p][/quote]What have you helped to get chaged either by yourself or part of UKIP? I have listed as to what I have helped to keep or get changed wwithin the Bolton community and will continue to do so Latest one was my campaign with Bolton Station car-park for better parking - guess what they have listened to mine and other people's views which I had gained, they then looked at the situation themselves and actually agree with what I (the leader) and others (whom I asked and got views from) have said and will be changing the layout of the car park from mid-january!!! I am currently in discussions with TfGM, David Chadwick and other councillors and members of the TfGM with regards to thee provision of the subsidised bus routes in the town and how they can be improved without actually spending more money and I have plans which actually reduce the cost - so watch his space! I am also in contact with a couple of MP's and the TOC;s with regards to the situation we currently have with the trains.... I also helped to create partnerships, in my last job, between companies in both The Netherlands (esp Almere and Amsterdam) and UK (esp Bolton and Manchester) to create a greater understanding of working communities and cultures with job swaps, job shadowing and a greater community feel The list continues and I have done so much more as well. Again, I ask what have you helped to change either in Bolton or in the greater community? BWFC71

11:40pm Thu 19 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Your a Jack of all trades master of none then!

Very easy to have a opinion about someones Political beliefs while at the same time not having any yourself except to swipe at others who do.If you are looking for the perfect party who will have all your wants will never exist as voting isnt about just joining a party because its all what one wants themselves,its also about wanting to change the things you dont like. You will never be in that debate because you dont vote.
You said that and not me..

All I said was....

"I gain the story from all angles and then make my own viewpoint rather than just believeing one point of view. Its about getting ALL the evidence to form a balanced and TRUE opinion rather then forming one based on right wing rubbish or left wing rubbish which both consist of lies and false reporting - I believe in evidence and forming MY OWN opinion rather than someone else's! That makes me an individual rather than a sheep (oops I mean a follower)"

and then you went on to describe yourself and try to put that on to me as though it was me - see the difference by reading the quote and the bit I wrote (as repeated on this post)

I take ALL information from all sides of the story to gain a true picture of what iss happening and gain my own thoughts - YOU take from one source and believe it, as shown with all YOUR statistical mistakes in this thread and lack of forthcoming evidence to show your views!!!!

Which is why I will always be more intellectually and well-rounded human being than you!


Hope you see thee difference now
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Your a Jack of all trades master of none then! Very easy to have a opinion about someones Political beliefs while at the same time not having any yourself except to swipe at others who do.If you are looking for the perfect party who will have all your wants will never exist as voting isnt about just joining a party because its all what one wants themselves,its also about wanting to change the things you dont like. You will never be in that debate because you dont vote.[/p][/quote]You said that and not me.. All I said was.... "I gain the story from all angles and then make my own viewpoint rather than just believeing one point of view. Its about getting ALL the evidence to form a balanced and TRUE opinion rather then forming one based on right wing rubbish or left wing rubbish which both consist of lies and false reporting - I believe in evidence and forming MY OWN opinion rather than someone else's! That makes me an individual rather than a sheep (oops I mean a follower)" and then you went on to describe yourself and try to put that on to me as though it was me - see the difference by reading the quote and the bit I wrote (as repeated on this post) I take ALL information from all sides of the story to gain a true picture of what iss happening and gain my own thoughts - YOU take from one source and believe it, as shown with all YOUR statistical mistakes in this thread and lack of forthcoming evidence to show your views!!!! Which is why I will always be more intellectually and well-rounded human being than you! Hope you see thee difference now BWFC71

11:46pm Thu 19 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Thomas,

Would you allow Welsh-only speaking people to live next to you, if you had the choice?

Or what about Scottish/Irish Gaelic-only speaking people?

Or what about those who only spoke Manx?

Or are you just basing it all only pigmentation of ones skin?
Thomas, Would you allow Welsh-only speaking people to live next to you, if you had the choice? Or what about Scottish/Irish Gaelic-only speaking people? Or what about those who only spoke Manx? Or are you just basing it all only pigmentation of ones skin? BWFC71

6:57am Fri 20 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas, Would you allow Welsh-only speaking people to live next to you, if you had the choice? Or what about Scottish/Irish Gaelic-only speaking people? Or what about those who only spoke Manx? Or are you just basing it all only pigmentation of ones skin?
red herring red herring red herring.... all old hat comparisons that have no bearing on the issue and its past its sell by date. No one buys into these stupid comments anymore. But as you ask.. im basing it on people getting benefits and social housing when they have paid nothing in. How about i move into your house and you share the money you worked for with me and my family.?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, Would you allow Welsh-only speaking people to live next to you, if you had the choice? Or what about Scottish/Irish Gaelic-only speaking people? Or what about those who only spoke Manx? Or are you just basing it all only pigmentation of ones skin?[/p][/quote]red herring red herring red herring.... all old hat comparisons that have no bearing on the issue and its past its sell by date. No one buys into these stupid comments anymore. But as you ask.. im basing it on people getting benefits and social housing when they have paid nothing in. How about i move into your house and you share the money you worked for with me and my family.? thomas222

6:57am Fri 20 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas, Would you allow Welsh-only speaking people to live next to you, if you had the choice? Or what about Scottish/Irish Gaelic-only speaking people? Or what about those who only spoke Manx? Or are you just basing it all only pigmentation of ones skin?
red herring red herring red herring.... all old hat comparisons that have no bearing on the issue and its past its sell by date. No one buys into these stupid comments anymore. But as you ask.. im basing it on people getting benefits and social housing when they have paid nothing in. How about i move into your house and you share the money you worked for with me and my family.?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, Would you allow Welsh-only speaking people to live next to you, if you had the choice? Or what about Scottish/Irish Gaelic-only speaking people? Or what about those who only spoke Manx? Or are you just basing it all only pigmentation of ones skin?[/p][/quote]red herring red herring red herring.... all old hat comparisons that have no bearing on the issue and its past its sell by date. No one buys into these stupid comments anymore. But as you ask.. im basing it on people getting benefits and social housing when they have paid nothing in. How about i move into your house and you share the money you worked for with me and my family.? thomas222

9:30am Fri 20 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system?

How would you know whether they are British born or not?

I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space!

The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord

You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer???

They are the facts

You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases!

If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers?

Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact!

I have asked thsi before in another thread....

WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)
How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have) The Righteous One

9:44am Fri 20 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)
Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)[/p][/quote]Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!! thomas222

9:54am Fri 20 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)
Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!!
You talk so much c r a.p
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)[/p][/quote]Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!![/p][/quote]You talk so much c r a.p nozza17

9:59am Fri 20 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

nozza17 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)
Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!!
You talk so much c r a.p
Your on the back foot now Pal!
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)[/p][/quote]Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!![/p][/quote]You talk so much c r a.p[/p][/quote]Your on the back foot now Pal! thomas222

1:23pm Fri 20 Dec 13

boltonchap says...

BWFC71 wrote:
boltonchap wrote:
Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments?
Just a thought.
I work long hours, no lunch and have two screens open at same time (All thanks to Microsoft Windows 7 and 8) so I can do my work whilst keeping an eye as to what is happening on here.

It is a concept you may not know about - Multi-tasking

Plus with wifi I can be online via phone or laptop whilst travelling!!!
I am an accomplished multi-tasker, for instance while typing this I'm breathing and scratching my chin. Sometimes I can even walk and talk at the same time; isn't evolution amazing that we've evolved to become such a versatile species.
You run windows 7 and windows 8 - unusual for a prestigious law firm to run the latest operating system and leave the old one on the system: never come across that before, very odd indeed.
So you work while " keeping an eye as to what is happening on here ": hmmm. But you don't just keep an eye on here, you contribute. In fact you write long and complex contributions. Just occasionally you even make a good point. But whatever the merits or otherwise of your arguments they must take time. Sometimes you cut and paste content from web sites, that takes time too. Now I have a deep understanding of how professional practices work in the commercial sector, and you know what. Billable hours and customer service are priorities. So how can you reconcile what you do with these key performance indicators? Do your clients know about his?
Just a thought. You see all my points above speak to your credibility on here. You don't appear to have much judging by the votes and comments you get.
I'm only trying to help.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]I work long hours, no lunch and have two screens open at same time (All thanks to Microsoft Windows 7 and 8) so I can do my work whilst keeping an eye as to what is happening on here. It is a concept you may not know about - Multi-tasking Plus with wifi I can be online via phone or laptop whilst travelling!!![/p][/quote]I am an accomplished multi-tasker, for instance while typing this I'm breathing and scratching my chin. Sometimes I can even walk and talk at the same time; isn't evolution amazing that we've evolved to become such a versatile species. You run windows 7 and windows 8 - unusual for a prestigious law firm to run the latest operating system and leave the old one on the system: never come across that before, very odd indeed. So you work while " keeping an eye as to what is happening on here ": hmmm. But you don't just keep an eye on here, you contribute. In fact you write long and complex contributions. Just occasionally you even make a good point. But whatever the merits or otherwise of your arguments they must take time. Sometimes you cut and paste content from web sites, that takes time too. Now I have a deep understanding of how professional practices work in the commercial sector, and you know what. Billable hours and customer service are priorities. So how can you reconcile what you do with these key performance indicators? Do your clients know about his? Just a thought. You see all my points above speak to your credibility on here. You don't appear to have much judging by the votes and comments you get. I'm only trying to help. boltonchap

1:29pm Fri 20 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

boltonchap wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
boltonchap wrote: Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments? Just a thought.
I work long hours, no lunch and have two screens open at same time (All thanks to Microsoft Windows 7 and 8) so I can do my work whilst keeping an eye as to what is happening on here. It is a concept you may not know about - Multi-tasking Plus with wifi I can be online via phone or laptop whilst travelling!!!
I am an accomplished multi-tasker, for instance while typing this I'm breathing and scratching my chin. Sometimes I can even walk and talk at the same time; isn't evolution amazing that we've evolved to become such a versatile species. You run windows 7 and windows 8 - unusual for a prestigious law firm to run the latest operating system and leave the old one on the system: never come across that before, very odd indeed. So you work while " keeping an eye as to what is happening on here ": hmmm. But you don't just keep an eye on here, you contribute. In fact you write long and complex contributions. Just occasionally you even make a good point. But whatever the merits or otherwise of your arguments they must take time. Sometimes you cut and paste content from web sites, that takes time too. Now I have a deep understanding of how professional practices work in the commercial sector, and you know what. Billable hours and customer service are priorities. So how can you reconcile what you do with these key performance indicators? Do your clients know about his? Just a thought. You see all my points above speak to your credibility on here. You don't appear to have much judging by the votes and comments you get. I'm only trying to help.
He is in a Mosque or some uaf office trolling and trying to keep things in check... hes lost.
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]I work long hours, no lunch and have two screens open at same time (All thanks to Microsoft Windows 7 and 8) so I can do my work whilst keeping an eye as to what is happening on here. It is a concept you may not know about - Multi-tasking Plus with wifi I can be online via phone or laptop whilst travelling!!![/p][/quote]I am an accomplished multi-tasker, for instance while typing this I'm breathing and scratching my chin. Sometimes I can even walk and talk at the same time; isn't evolution amazing that we've evolved to become such a versatile species. You run windows 7 and windows 8 - unusual for a prestigious law firm to run the latest operating system and leave the old one on the system: never come across that before, very odd indeed. So you work while " keeping an eye as to what is happening on here ": hmmm. But you don't just keep an eye on here, you contribute. In fact you write long and complex contributions. Just occasionally you even make a good point. But whatever the merits or otherwise of your arguments they must take time. Sometimes you cut and paste content from web sites, that takes time too. Now I have a deep understanding of how professional practices work in the commercial sector, and you know what. Billable hours and customer service are priorities. So how can you reconcile what you do with these key performance indicators? Do your clients know about his? Just a thought. You see all my points above speak to your credibility on here. You don't appear to have much judging by the votes and comments you get. I'm only trying to help.[/p][/quote]He is in a Mosque or some uaf office trolling and trying to keep things in check... hes lost. thomas222

5:40pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Thomas222, stop the drivel and the balderdash. Put yourself up as a candidate for UKIP. Let's see what happens.
Thomas222, stop the drivel and the balderdash. Put yourself up as a candidate for UKIP. Let's see what happens. Greasy Chip Butty

6:38pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Jackael says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
Thomas222, stop the drivel and the balderdash. Put yourself up as a candidate for UKIP. Let's see what happens.
Haha ...Drivel and Balderdash ,if you're not pasian i'll eat my hat !!!
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, stop the drivel and the balderdash. Put yourself up as a candidate for UKIP. Let's see what happens.[/p][/quote]Haha ...Drivel and Balderdash ,if you're not pasian i'll eat my hat !!! Jackael

12:31am Sat 21 Dec 13

getajob123 says...

wow the comments on here are like a bunch of unemployed morons are trying to set the world to rights............ its so funny

you lot should form your own party............ call it the moronic keyboard advisor society maybe ???

this is so funny...............
...........

please keep the pearls of unemployed wisdom coming.............. the country needs you all




hahahahaha
wow the comments on here are like a bunch of unemployed morons are trying to set the world to rights............ its so funny you lot should form your own party............ call it the moronic keyboard advisor society maybe ??? this is so funny............... ........... please keep the pearls of unemployed wisdom coming.............. the country needs you all hahahahaha getajob123

12:31am Sat 21 Dec 13

getajob123 says...

wow the comments on here are like a bunch of unemployed morons are trying to set the world to rights............ its so funny

you lot should form your own party............ call it the moronic keyboard advisor society maybe ???

this is so funny...............
...........

please keep the pearls of unemployed wisdom coming.............. the country needs you all




hahahahaha
wow the comments on here are like a bunch of unemployed morons are trying to set the world to rights............ its so funny you lot should form your own party............ call it the moronic keyboard advisor society maybe ??? this is so funny............... ........... please keep the pearls of unemployed wisdom coming.............. the country needs you all hahahahaha getajob123

6:54pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
boltonchap wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
boltonchap wrote: Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments? Just a thought.
I work long hours, no lunch and have two screens open at same time (All thanks to Microsoft Windows 7 and 8) so I can do my work whilst keeping an eye as to what is happening on here. It is a concept you may not know about - Multi-tasking Plus with wifi I can be online via phone or laptop whilst travelling!!!
I am an accomplished multi-tasker, for instance while typing this I'm breathing and scratching my chin. Sometimes I can even walk and talk at the same time; isn't evolution amazing that we've evolved to become such a versatile species. You run windows 7 and windows 8 - unusual for a prestigious law firm to run the latest operating system and leave the old one on the system: never come across that before, very odd indeed. So you work while " keeping an eye as to what is happening on here ": hmmm. But you don't just keep an eye on here, you contribute. In fact you write long and complex contributions. Just occasionally you even make a good point. But whatever the merits or otherwise of your arguments they must take time. Sometimes you cut and paste content from web sites, that takes time too. Now I have a deep understanding of how professional practices work in the commercial sector, and you know what. Billable hours and customer service are priorities. So how can you reconcile what you do with these key performance indicators? Do your clients know about his? Just a thought. You see all my points above speak to your credibility on here. You don't appear to have much judging by the votes and comments you get. I'm only trying to help.
He is in a Mosque or some uaf office trolling and trying to keep things in check... hes lost.
Boltonchap.....

Were you at work whilst you did that reply?

If not does that mean you are sponging of the state - even if its your pension? And if you are I hope you realise that your generation have wasted so much money that my generation is now officially the "lost" generation and is the first generation not to be financially better off than your generation!!!!

Why is it unusual for a company to change over to Windows 7 or 8

Why is it unusual not to do work whilst on the move, at home in the evenings or weekends as well as the 12+ hours a day in the office (with no lunch) - but there again you don't think of that. I do not set the rates as I get salary plus bonuses dependent upon success. The rates per hour etc etc for clients are actually set by the partners of the law firm - so that throws your argument completely out of the window and shows your ignorance!!!

You name one time when I have cut and pasted - unless I have stated so. so you have never heard of search engines and the short-cut keys of CTRL-C and CTRL-V - and funnily enough when I have pasted do you not think I know where to look and the exact place to cut and paste without actually searching for a long while - by the nature of my work and the outside interests!!! Again showing your ignorance!!!

I do not go off the thumbs as this is not a contest to see who can win or lose - which you and other under-class colleagues continue to think.

I state facts - people don't like facts and as such mark down- that is because facts get in the way of their lies and false assumptions!


Thomas....

did you know mosque have been in this country for centuries and are nothing new - they are part off the British culture and religious scene!!! So again please get your facts right before you attempt to belittle!

If I was part of any UAF organisation, I would be proud to say so as fascists have done so much damage to this world during the last 100 years - in fact they have created the wold fear we have today - from the Jewish population, and other none Ayran populous, being decimated by the Nazi regime through to BNNP and UKIP advocating lies and false propaganda to create racial tension and harm in today's modern Britain!!!

What you don't seem to realise is that th majority of the population are not actually bothered about immigration but about integration!!! And it iss people like you that create aa fear that makes integration even harder and even makes it virtually impossible. Remember, even if we do leave the EU there will still be a greater immigration than emigration no matter what any government puts in place because people will always move to want a better life for them and their family and the other fact that the worlds population I still growing and as such people need to move to find work as work is possibly in short supply where they currently live!!!! Lets not forget that in the UK there are now more people in now in todays Britain than what there has EVER been - whether it be zero contracts, agency contracts, part time or even full time contracts! Thus all these people are paying their taxes and helping to make this country even better shop window for people to move here!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Righteous one aka BWFC71 - a question for you. In almost every thread in which you submit comments you refer to your important job in Manchester. My question is this - when do you actually get any work done as you spend an inordinate amount of time posting long comments? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]I work long hours, no lunch and have two screens open at same time (All thanks to Microsoft Windows 7 and 8) so I can do my work whilst keeping an eye as to what is happening on here. It is a concept you may not know about - Multi-tasking Plus with wifi I can be online via phone or laptop whilst travelling!!![/p][/quote]I am an accomplished multi-tasker, for instance while typing this I'm breathing and scratching my chin. Sometimes I can even walk and talk at the same time; isn't evolution amazing that we've evolved to become such a versatile species. You run windows 7 and windows 8 - unusual for a prestigious law firm to run the latest operating system and leave the old one on the system: never come across that before, very odd indeed. So you work while " keeping an eye as to what is happening on here ": hmmm. But you don't just keep an eye on here, you contribute. In fact you write long and complex contributions. Just occasionally you even make a good point. But whatever the merits or otherwise of your arguments they must take time. Sometimes you cut and paste content from web sites, that takes time too. Now I have a deep understanding of how professional practices work in the commercial sector, and you know what. Billable hours and customer service are priorities. So how can you reconcile what you do with these key performance indicators? Do your clients know about his? Just a thought. You see all my points above speak to your credibility on here. You don't appear to have much judging by the votes and comments you get. I'm only trying to help.[/p][/quote]He is in a Mosque or some uaf office trolling and trying to keep things in check... hes lost.[/p][/quote]Boltonchap..... Were you at work whilst you did that reply? If not does that mean you are sponging of the state - even if its your pension? And if you are I hope you realise that your generation have wasted so much money that my generation is now officially the "lost" generation and is the first generation not to be financially better off than your generation!!!! Why is it unusual for a company to change over to Windows 7 or 8 Why is it unusual not to do work whilst on the move, at home in the evenings or weekends as well as the 12+ hours a day in the office (with no lunch) - but there again you don't think of that. I do not set the rates as I get salary plus bonuses dependent upon success. The rates per hour etc etc for clients are actually set by the partners of the law firm - so that throws your argument completely out of the window and shows your ignorance!!! You name one time when I have cut and pasted - unless I have stated so. so you have never heard of search engines and the short-cut keys of CTRL-C and CTRL-V - and funnily enough when I have pasted do you not think I know where to look and the exact place to cut and paste without actually searching for a long while - by the nature of my work and the outside interests!!! Again showing your ignorance!!! I do not go off the thumbs as this is not a contest to see who can win or lose - which you and other under-class colleagues continue to think. I state facts - people don't like facts and as such mark down- that is because facts get in the way of their lies and false assumptions! Thomas.... did you know mosque have been in this country for centuries and are nothing new - they are part off the British culture and religious scene!!! So again please get your facts right before you attempt to belittle! If I was part of any UAF organisation, I would be proud to say so as fascists have done so much damage to this world during the last 100 years - in fact they have created the wold fear we have today - from the Jewish population, and other none Ayran populous, being decimated by the Nazi regime through to BNNP and UKIP advocating lies and false propaganda to create racial tension and harm in today's modern Britain!!! What you don't seem to realise is that th majority of the population are not actually bothered about immigration but about integration!!! And it iss people like you that create aa fear that makes integration even harder and even makes it virtually impossible. Remember, even if we do leave the EU there will still be a greater immigration than emigration no matter what any government puts in place because people will always move to want a better life for them and their family and the other fact that the worlds population I still growing and as such people need to move to find work as work is possibly in short supply where they currently live!!!! Lets not forget that in the UK there are now more people in now in todays Britain than what there has EVER been - whether it be zero contracts, agency contracts, part time or even full time contracts! Thus all these people are paying their taxes and helping to make this country even better shop window for people to move here!!! BWFC71

7:02pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Thomas, you keep saying that I attend Mosques or that I am Muslim. Do you have any proof or are you trying to be very defamatory towards me?

Either way I can assure you that I was born a Roman Catholic, went to St Josephs RC Primary School, in Shepherd Cross Street and Holy Infant & St John just off Moss Bank Way and then attended Thornleigh Salesian College (operated by the Salesians - a Roman Catholic orthodox) and then attended Manchester University and VUA (Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam) and I will die, when my time comes, as an Agnostic. BUt learning about other cultures and religions is all part and parcel or broadening the mind and becoming a full human being!
Thomas, you keep saying that I attend Mosques or that I am Muslim. Do you have any proof or are you trying to be very defamatory towards me? Either way I can assure you that I was born a Roman Catholic, went to St Josephs RC Primary School, in Shepherd Cross Street and Holy Infant & St John just off Moss Bank Way and then attended Thornleigh Salesian College (operated by the Salesians - a Roman Catholic orthodox) and then attended Manchester University and VUA (Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam) and I will die, when my time comes, as an Agnostic. BUt learning about other cultures and religions is all part and parcel or broadening the mind and becoming a full human being! BWFC71

7:09pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

And the late reply - due to the fact I got a great Christmas/Winter Solstice surprise - train down to London, with a night in the capital and then the Eurostar to Brussels and then the Tahlys to Amsterdam and tomorrow the ICE to Cologne to spend Christmas with my fiance's family!

That makes makes me a success!!! Not a pathetic whinger, moaner or racially abusive individual (who hides behind a keyboard and a pseudonym)
And the late reply - due to the fact I got a great Christmas/Winter Solstice surprise - train down to London, with a night in the capital and then the Eurostar to Brussels and then the Tahlys to Amsterdam and tomorrow the ICE to Cologne to spend Christmas with my fiance's family! That makes makes me a success!!! Not a pathetic whinger, moaner or racially abusive individual (who hides behind a keyboard and a pseudonym) BWFC71

7:13pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Boltonchap

If you seriously think that I am not value for money for my employer or my employers clients - then why not report me again. You have done it once before so there is nothing to stop you.

I know it would make you happy knowing you have got someone the sack just because you disagree with them!

In fact I insist you report me!
Boltonchap If you seriously think that I am not value for money for my employer or my employers clients - then why not report me again. You have done it once before so there is nothing to stop you. I know it would make you happy knowing you have got someone the sack just because you disagree with them! In fact I insist you report me! BWFC71

10:06pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Jackael says...

You are just a fkin nob !!!
You are just a fkin nob !!! Jackael

11:36pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Jackael wrote:
You are just a fkin nob !!!
Thankyou for your interest but unfortunately I do have a fiance and not looking for anything extra!
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: You are just a fkin nob !!![/p][/quote]Thankyou for your interest but unfortunately I do have a fiance and not looking for anything extra! BWFC71

12:53pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Rivertin says...

Sorry I haven't bothered to read many comments on here (just noticed same old stuff about immigrants so skipped most of the posts) so I am not sure if my following points have been brought up.

Why is building more houses seen as doing us a favour?, fair enough if it was fairly priced housing, but even in so called 'social housing ' the rents are far too high, we get used to high rents and the landlords (usually as unwilling agents of the banks) get used to taking a large chunk of our income ( perhaps 50% or more) I have paid thopusands in rent and had very little in return, compare this to insurance policies and it would be seen as a great scandal, imagine if rents were put in the hands of insurance companies? How much would they be and would repairs be done on time? Even though I don't like insurance companies I think we would get rents down to under a tenner a week and get repairs done on time.What the bloody hell is rent for?

I am out of work at moment and would like to know what will happen when this universal credit comes in, will people who pay their rent be expected to make up the shortfall for many who will not pay? as I expect there will be a lot, and although I support their action if they wish to withold their rent I dont agree that the council should get the shortfall off me and other billpayers, they should go through the proper legal procedures (I think United Utilities use this trick of getting shortfalls off bill payers) How would a boss feel if you got robbed then asked him for a raise to cover the cost?
Sorry I haven't bothered to read many comments on here (just noticed same old stuff about immigrants so skipped most of the posts) so I am not sure if my following points have been brought up. Why is building more houses seen as doing us a favour?, fair enough if it was fairly priced housing, but even in so called 'social housing ' the rents are far too high, we get used to high rents and the landlords (usually as unwilling agents of the banks) get used to taking a large chunk of our income ( perhaps 50% or more) I have paid thopusands in rent and had very little in return, compare this to insurance policies and it would be seen as a great scandal, imagine if rents were put in the hands of insurance companies? How much would they be and would repairs be done on time? Even though I don't like insurance companies I think we would get rents down to under a tenner a week and get repairs done on time.What the bloody hell is rent for? I am out of work at moment and would like to know what will happen when this universal credit comes in, will people who pay their rent be expected to make up the shortfall for many who will not pay? as I expect there will be a lot, and although I support their action if they wish to withold their rent I dont agree that the council should get the shortfall off me and other billpayers, they should go through the proper legal procedures (I think United Utilities use this trick of getting shortfalls off bill payers) How would a boss feel if you got robbed then asked him for a raise to cover the cost? Rivertin

7:02pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Jackael, what's pasian? Do you wear a flat cap?
Jackael, what's pasian? Do you wear a flat cap? Greasy Chip Butty

10:42pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Jackael says...

It's "Drivel and Balderdash" now *** **** ****** yourself ***** **** smelly **** !!!
It's "Drivel and Balderdash" now *** **** ****** yourself ***** **** smelly **** !!! Jackael

8:53am Mon 23 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)
Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!!
Zieg Hiel Mein Fuhrer

Fine speeach from a sub-ordinate of the latter-day Nazi's.

Your leader would easily look all teh better with a tasche as he already has the hair and the words for his xenophobic rhetoric..

I would advise you to read some of Hitler's speeches and then look at what you have written and then advise me as to what is different between the two

Personally there is no difference and we are heading in the same direction as 1930's Germany - God help us!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: How would you know that they have paid nothing into the system? How would you know whether they are British born or not? I don't mind you moving into my house, just as long as I take from you the cost of the extra space of the spare room you will be living in - as you will be by yourself and you won't need all the space! The FACT is these people DO NOT live in YOUR house, they live in a house provided to them by either a Housing Association (which is NOT associated with the council), Bolton At Home (which is indepdent of the Council) or, as probably is the case, a Private landlord You do not know if they are on benefits or not - in fact the amount of time you are on here during teh daytime makes me think you are a benefits scrounger - why should I pay my taxes for you to laze around all day on a computer??? They are the facts You are presuming as you do NOT know the actual truth of each of their cases! If that is the case then why are you not bothered about young Britsh people who have never worked and gained a social house and live off benefits - arn't they just as bad. Or what about single unemployed mothers/fathers? Everytiome you post your argument falls apart because you say you are stating a fact when, in fact, you are stating a presumption which is NOT fact! I have asked thsi before in another thread.... WHO OWNS THE HOUSES? (I know because I have checked it out, but lets see if you have)[/p][/quote]Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!![/p][/quote]Zieg Hiel Mein Fuhrer Fine speeach from a sub-ordinate of the latter-day Nazi's. Your leader would easily look all teh better with a tasche as he already has the hair and the words for his xenophobic rhetoric.. I would advise you to read some of Hitler's speeches and then look at what you have written and then advise me as to what is different between the two Personally there is no difference and we are heading in the same direction as 1930's Germany - God help us! The Righteous One

10:23am Mon 23 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Xenophobic and Islamophobia words have one purpouse. To supress any criticism legitimate or not. The people will decide. But you wont because you dont vote.
Xenophobic and Islamophobia words have one purpouse. To supress any criticism legitimate or not. The people will decide. But you wont because you dont vote. thomas222

12:42pm Mon 23 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Xenophobic and Islamophobia words have one purpouse. To supress any criticism legitimate or not. The people will decide. But you wont because you dont vote.
I choose not to vote as there is no polticla party that supportsthe majority of my own ideologies - if there was a Party then i would vote!

Do you not get it, yet??????


You NEVER did answer my question - if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose???
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Xenophobic and Islamophobia words have one purpouse. To supress any criticism legitimate or not. The people will decide. But you wont because you dont vote.[/p][/quote]I choose not to vote as there is no polticla party that supportsthe majority of my own ideologies - if there was a Party then i would vote! Do you not get it, yet?????? You NEVER did answer my question - if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose??? The Righteous One

12:43pm Mon 23 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Xenophobic and Islamophobia words have one purpouse. To supress any criticism legitimate or not. The people will decide. But you wont because you dont vote.
Have you read any of Hitler's speeches yet and compared them to your post, yet?????


I bet you haven't!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Xenophobic and Islamophobia words have one purpouse. To supress any criticism legitimate or not. The people will decide. But you wont because you dont vote.[/p][/quote]Have you read any of Hitler's speeches yet and compared them to your post, yet????? I bet you haven't! The Righteous One

1:36pm Mon 23 Dec 13

George X says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Xenophobic and Islamophobia words have one purpouse. To supress any criticism legitimate or not. The people will decide. But you wont because you dont vote.
Have you read any of Hitler's speeches yet and compared them to your post, yet?????


I bet you haven't!
You are trying to demonize people because of there nationalist views when really it's multiculturists like yourself that are to blame.
Enoch powell said it 40 odd years ago and was ignored now look what's happening.
And as for you self righteous one you may as well crawk back under, nobody's listening !!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Xenophobic and Islamophobia words have one purpouse. To supress any criticism legitimate or not. The people will decide. But you wont because you dont vote.[/p][/quote]Have you read any of Hitler's speeches yet and compared them to your post, yet????? I bet you haven't![/p][/quote]You are trying to demonize people because of there nationalist views when really it's multiculturists like yourself that are to blame. Enoch powell said it 40 odd years ago and was ignored now look what's happening. And as for you self righteous one you may as well crawk back under, nobody's listening !!! George X

1:58pm Mon 23 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Nobody is listening to you either - they think you are a total tool - no evidenace to back up your outrageous claims, down and out racial attacks on so-called non-British, even though you don't actually know the people are British or not!!!

It is people like you that support extreme right-wing parties that evetually fail because people WILL reliase that no good ever comes from these parties - in fact just more and more sorrow - first it will be the Muslims, then who is next teh Jews, the Roman Catholics etc etc etc where does it end with extremists??? It didn't work for Hitler. It Didin't work for Garibaldi, It didn't work for Franco. Extreme right-wing politics, which you enjoy, just do not work.



Lets look at one of Hitler's speeches.....

"This is the first demand we must raise and do : that our people be set free, that these chains be burst asunder, that Germany be once again captain of her soul and master of her destinies, together with all those who want to join Germany. (Applause)

And the fulfillment of this first demand will then open up the way for all the other reforms. And here is one thing that perhaps distinguishes us from you as far as our programme is concerned, although it is very much in the spirit of things: our attitude to the Jewish problem.

"For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Jewish spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst."

And now lets look at one of your posts....

"Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!!"

Exactly the same style of prose - totally against what is the natural order of things which is immigration, emigration and integration not only of cultures but also of races. As someone said in another thread - there is only one race - The Human Race!!!! Thr British are a mongrel race made up of races far and wide - there is no such thing as a true British race!!!

Let's not forget that in today's to be a Muslim is not illegal but to be a Roman Catholic is illegal (FACT) due to the fact that the old anti-Roman Catholic laws have never been repealed!!!!
Nobody is listening to you either - they think you are a total tool - no evidenace to back up your outrageous claims, down and out racial attacks on so-called non-British, even though you don't actually know the people are British or not!!! It is people like you that support extreme right-wing parties that evetually fail because people WILL reliase that no good ever comes from these parties - in fact just more and more sorrow - first it will be the Muslims, then who is next teh Jews, the Roman Catholics etc etc etc where does it end with extremists??? It didn't work for Hitler. It Didin't work for Garibaldi, It didn't work for Franco. Extreme right-wing politics, which you enjoy, just do not work. Lets look at one of Hitler's speeches..... "This is the first demand we must raise and do [reversal of the Versailles Treaty provisions]: that our people be set free, that these chains be burst asunder, that Germany be once again captain of her soul and master of her destinies, together with all those who want to join Germany. (Applause) And the fulfillment of this first demand will then open up the way for all the other reforms. And here is one thing that perhaps distinguishes us from you [Austrians] as far as our programme is concerned, although it is very much in the spirit of things: our attitude to the Jewish problem. "For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Jewish spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst." And now lets look at one of your posts.... "Your words are total crap.. your retoric is destined to the dustbin of a failed multicultural experiment gone bad all over the world. Your days are numbered because the lion is starting to growl now thank God,welcoming as we may and have been we will not lie down when the need arises. That time has arrived and its soon going to at a critical mass that only one party will benefit from and thats UKIP!!" Exactly the same style of prose - totally against what is the natural order of things which is immigration, emigration and integration not only of cultures but also of races. As someone said in another thread - there is only one race - The Human Race!!!! Thr British are a mongrel race made up of races far and wide - there is no such thing as a true British race!!! Let's not forget that in today's to be a Muslim is not illegal but to be a Roman Catholic is illegal (FACT) due to the fact that the old anti-Roman Catholic laws have never been repealed!!!! The Righteous One

1:58pm Mon 23 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

You NEVER did answer my question - if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose???
You NEVER did answer my question - if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose??? The Righteous One

2:29pm Mon 23 Dec 13

George X says...

Blimey ! a few days on K2 would do no harm whatsoever.

p.s. thats K2 the nut ward not the mountain...
Blimey ! a few days on K2 would do no harm whatsoever. p.s. thats K2 the nut ward not the mountain... George X

2:48pm Mon 23 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

George X wrote:
Blimey ! a few days on K2 would do no harm whatsoever.

p.s. thats K2 the nut ward not the mountain...
Hasn't that ward been closed for about 18 months now - due to re-organisation of NHS across Greater Manchester?
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: Blimey ! a few days on K2 would do no harm whatsoever. p.s. thats K2 the nut ward not the mountain...[/p][/quote]Hasn't that ward been closed for about 18 months now - due to re-organisation of NHS across Greater Manchester? The Righteous One

3:08pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Rivertin says...

Those people who appear to be against immigrants getting basic needs , or indeed against immigration, can I ask you why you think people come here?

I mean why should people have to re-locate , why should it not be as good in their own countries as it is in ours?

I think we in the west, or rather the affluent pockets of the globe need to take the blame for this and accept with open arms the poor who are pushed out of their own countries.

And who will build these houses? Natives, immigrants and second and third generation immigrants, probably the same people that built them in the past, and they have fallen into control of the banks/businesses, so they can then reap massive profits and interest off those very same people who built them.

Regards my earlier point of the rich in all countries taking responsibility for any large influx of immigrants I will repost something I wrote in 'Comments' regarding the so called aid we send overseas (: my views below can apply to many countries/areas/Nati
ons and can also include our interference via wars and other disruptions,

#It is misplaced I think to believe that the tiny amount of so called aid we send abroad takes away from help that the vulnerable in the UK get.

Anyway I believe the small amount of so called aid is merely to salve our concience and is quite offensive if you research what we actually do to the poor countries, in effect we rob them blind and cause the problems of such things as starvation, check out how much Africa exports to the west not only in luxury food items such as chocolate, tea, sugar, coffee and bananas (a large percentage of which ends up in landfill) they have to grow this on land that could produce food for themselves and now we are even grabbing land for bio-diesal. They also produce minerals and gems, The nation of Africa should be living like royalty like they do in Saudi., but we manage to rob them by paying a fraction of the true cost for their labour and goods#
Those people who appear to be against immigrants getting basic needs , or indeed against immigration, can I ask you why you think people come here? I mean why should people have to re-locate , why should it not be as good in their own countries as it is in ours? I think we in the west, or rather the affluent pockets of the globe need to take the blame for this and accept with open arms the poor who are pushed out of their own countries. And who will build these houses? Natives, immigrants and second and third generation immigrants, probably the same people that built them in the past, and they have fallen into control of the banks/businesses, so they can then reap massive profits and interest off those very same people who built them. Regards my earlier point of the rich in all countries taking responsibility for any large influx of immigrants I will repost something I wrote in 'Comments' regarding the so called aid we send overseas (: my views below can apply to many countries/areas/Nati ons and can also include our interference via wars and other disruptions, #It is misplaced I think to believe that the tiny amount of so called aid we send abroad takes away from help that the vulnerable in the UK get. Anyway I believe the small amount of so called aid is merely to salve our concience and is quite offensive if you research what we actually do to the poor countries, in effect we rob them blind and cause the problems of such things as starvation, check out how much Africa exports to the west not only in luxury food items such as chocolate, tea, sugar, coffee and bananas (a large percentage of which ends up in landfill) they have to grow this on land that could produce food for themselves and now we are even grabbing land for bio-diesal. They also produce minerals and gems, The nation of Africa should be living like royalty like they do in Saudi., but we manage to rob them by paying a fraction of the true cost for their labour and goods# Rivertin

3:12pm Mon 23 Dec 13

George X says...

The Righteous One wrote:
George X wrote:
Blimey ! a few days on K2 would do no harm whatsoever.

p.s. thats K2 the nut ward not the mountain...
Hasn't that ward been closed for about 18 months now - due to re-organisation of NHS across Greater Manchester?
Dunno but i'm sure they'll find you a bed somewhere !!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: Blimey ! a few days on K2 would do no harm whatsoever. p.s. thats K2 the nut ward not the mountain...[/p][/quote]Hasn't that ward been closed for about 18 months now - due to re-organisation of NHS across Greater Manchester?[/p][/quote]Dunno but i'm sure they'll find you a bed somewhere !! George X

5:15pm Mon 23 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
You NEVER did answer my question - if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose???
Whats the point thinking about a IF when its not a fact. i know one thing and your not in any debate...... because you dont vote : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: You NEVER did answer my question - if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose???[/p][/quote]Whats the point thinking about a IF when its not a fact. i know one thing and your not in any debate...... because you dont vote : ) thomas222

6:44pm Mon 23 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
You NEVER did answer my question - if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose???
Whats the point thinking about a IF when its not a fact. i know one thing and your not in any debate...... because you dont vote : )
Once again I ask, and will keep asking until you answer from the choices only and not divert away.

if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose???

You talk about IF all the time and you have NEVER given any solid evidence to back up YOUR claims therefore this should be easy for YOU to answer!!!

This is not about me not voting this is about you, saying that voting is the be all and end all therefore you are being given a choice between Liberals and Conservatives - so go on, answer, which one would YOU vote for!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: You NEVER did answer my question - if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose???[/p][/quote]Whats the point thinking about a IF when its not a fact. i know one thing and your not in any debate...... because you dont vote : )[/p][/quote]Once again I ask, and will keep asking until you answer from the choices only and not divert away. if you only had Liberal or Conservatives to vote from who would you choose??? You talk about IF all the time and you have NEVER given any solid evidence to back up YOUR claims therefore this should be easy for YOU to answer!!! This is not about me not voting this is about you, saying that voting is the be all and end all therefore you are being given a choice between Liberals and Conservatives - so go on, answer, which one would YOU vote for!!!! BWFC71

6:46pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Rivertin says...

Minus one for my last comments!


Looks like people know how to vote but not how to answer important questions, or indeed any questions.

When in Rome.
Minus one for my last comments! Looks like people know how to vote but not how to answer important questions, or indeed any questions. When in Rome. Rivertin

7:31pm Mon 23 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Rivertin wrote:
Minus one for my last comments!


Looks like people know how to vote but not how to answer important questions, or indeed any questions.

When in Rome.
Don't worry about the thumbs - although I gave thumbs up. There is a minority on here who think they have they majority of say and about 99% of them don't even live in Bolton. They are just trolls.

My advice is just carry on and ignore them (although I have room to say that with regards to Doubting Thomas) and show that you do have the brainpower and integrity to tell the truth which these trolls do not want to hear or read!
[quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: Minus one for my last comments! Looks like people know how to vote but not how to answer important questions, or indeed any questions. When in Rome.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about the thumbs - although I gave thumbs up. There is a minority on here who think they have they majority of say and about 99% of them don't even live in Bolton. They are just trolls. My advice is just carry on and ignore them (although I have room to say that with regards to Doubting Thomas) and show that you do have the brainpower and integrity to tell the truth which these trolls do not want to hear or read! BWFC71

9:43pm Mon 23 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

The person sat next to you probably thinks you should go back where you came from, it emerged this morning.

As UKIP recorded another good night at the polls, it became ever more obvious that wearing a suit before being a bit racist is an excellent political tactic.

UKIP voter Simon Williams told us, “I’m not racist, I just think that foreigners are dirty scrounging scumbags who should be put on a boat back to wherever they came from.”

“Even if they came on a plane. Planes are expensive.”

“And UKIP isn’t a racist organisation, it just believes that foreigners are dirty scrounging scumbags who should be put on a boat back to wherever they came from.”

“They really resonated with me on that point for some reason.”

Fellow UKIP voter Sharon Jones told us, “Same is good. Different is bad. You are different so you must go away.”

“If you didn’t grow up in my house then you’re not from around here and need to go back to Bongo Bongo land. Definitely.”

“A nice man in a suit came to my door and told me that, so it must be true.”

UKIP local election results

Political experts have said the rise in the UKIP vote shows that normal people are basically **** human beings paralysed by fear from being incessantly told that immigrants are dirty scrounging scumbags.

Analyst Charles Worth explained, “I’ve you’ve even been cut up on the roads by someone brown, served badly in a restaurant by someone with a foreign accent, or been looked at funny by someone in a strange looking head dress, then you’re ripe for UKIP conversion.”

“Just remember that you’re very, very, wrong.”


Seriously, those who support UKIP... what are your feelings on their policy on the economy? How about education? What about the environment and sources of energy? Here's one... what do you think about their policy with respect to severely disabled people and how their care is handled? The answer is 'you don't know' because you're following a one horse party, with one policy you like. How that policy fits in with an overall way of governing is generally beyond your comprehension, and you would be absolutely shocked and outraged if you had to live in a country under UKIP's type of rule... unless you are already a very rich fat cat yourself, of course. Remember the man you are following is a city banker, a stock-broker... exactly the sort of person who got Britain into it's financial crisis in the first place. I'm sorry to tell you, but the normal man, woman and child on the street will be significantly worse off under UKIP, financially, and most certainly morally. I wish I could say 'it's your loss' but unfortunately, you're messing it up for the rest of us too. I seriously hope the rotten underbelly of UKIP is exposed before any real elections take place. So many idiots. I think instead of just taking away unemployed people's vote (as one UKIP candidate wants - thus reducing the number of idiots who would vote for UKIP), they should take away the vote of stupid people.
The person sat next to you probably thinks you should go back where you came from, it emerged this morning. As UKIP recorded another good night at the polls, it became ever more obvious that wearing a suit before being a bit racist is an excellent political tactic. UKIP voter Simon Williams told us, “I’m not racist, I just think that foreigners are dirty scrounging scumbags who should be put on a boat back to wherever they came from.” “Even if they came on a plane. Planes are expensive.” “And UKIP isn’t a racist organisation, it just believes that foreigners are dirty scrounging scumbags who should be put on a boat back to wherever they came from.” “They really resonated with me on that point for some reason.” Fellow UKIP voter Sharon Jones told us, “Same is good. Different is bad. You are different so you must go away.” “If you didn’t grow up in my house then you’re not from around here and need to go back to Bongo Bongo land. Definitely.” “A nice man in a suit came to my door and told me that, so it must be true.” UKIP local election results Political experts have said the rise in the UKIP vote shows that normal people are basically **** human beings paralysed by fear from being incessantly told that immigrants are dirty scrounging scumbags. Analyst Charles Worth explained, “I’ve you’ve even been cut up on the roads by someone brown, served badly in a restaurant by someone with a foreign accent, or been looked at funny by someone in a strange looking head dress, then you’re ripe for UKIP conversion.” “Just remember that you’re very, very, wrong.” Seriously, those who support UKIP... what are your feelings on their policy on the economy? How about education? What about the environment and sources of energy? Here's one... what do you think about their policy with respect to severely disabled people and how their care is handled? The answer is 'you don't know' because you're following a one horse party, with one policy you like. How that policy fits in with an overall way of governing is generally beyond your comprehension, and you would be absolutely shocked and outraged if you had to live in a country under UKIP's type of rule... unless you are already a very rich fat cat yourself, of course. Remember the man you are following is a city banker, a stock-broker... exactly the sort of person who got Britain into it's financial crisis in the first place. I'm sorry to tell you, but the normal man, woman and child on the street will be significantly worse off under UKIP, financially, and most certainly morally. I wish I could say 'it's your loss' but unfortunately, you're messing it up for the rest of us too. I seriously hope the rotten underbelly of UKIP is exposed before any real elections take place. So many idiots. I think instead of just taking away unemployed people's vote (as one UKIP candidate wants - thus reducing the number of idiots who would vote for UKIP), they should take away the vote of stupid people. BWFC71

12:38pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Rivertin says...

"Bolton to get £3.4 million windfall for building new homes"




It's not much at all that is it if you think about it, even so I hope the powers that be will use etiquette when doling out the home/s , I mean I have very little but If guests come to my home I always serve them first.
"Bolton to get £3.4 million windfall for building new homes" It's not much at all that is it if you think about it, even so I hope the powers that be will use etiquette when doling out the home/s , I mean I have very little but If guests come to my home I always serve them first. Rivertin

5:27pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Replytohatersandscum says...

personally i dont care who lives in these houses i own my own house
personally i dont care who lives in these houses i own my own house Replytohatersandscum

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