Benefit cheats conned Bolton taxpayers out of £850,000 last year

The Bolton News: Bolton Town Hall Bolton Town Hall

BENEFIT cheats conned Bolton Council out of almost £850,000 between 2012 and 2013, new figures have shown.

Council chiefs have clawed back more than £586,000 of overpaid benefits but the authority is still £214,000 out of pocket.

Data released by the Audit Commission has shown there were more than 1,000 cases of people making fraudulent claims for benefits from the council.

Between April, 2012, and April, 2013, there were 576 cases of detected fraud for housing and council tax benefit, worth £516,721, and 469 people falsely claiming discounts for council tax, conning the council out of £331,195.

The number of detected cases is up six per cent compared with the previous year, while the value of recovery is also up two per cent on 2011/12.

A spokesman for Bolton Council said: “The council is committed to protecting public finds and bringing benefit cheats to justice.

“In 2012-13, we conducted 33 successful prosecutions for council tax and housing benefit fraud.

“Some of these were joint prosecutions working with our partners in the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), as the benefit cheats were not only stealing from the local authority but from the national benefit system as well.

“We also issued 33 administrative penalties and 30 simple cautions, which are an alternative to a prosecution.”

A report to Bolton Council’s audit committee stated that the council also works closely with social landlords Bolton at Home to investigate tenants who may be breaking the law.

During the past year the social landlord investigated 89 allegations of fraud including false Right to Buy applications; incorrect information being used to obtain a home; and sub-letting.

Bolton at Home has investigated nearly 200 cases and recovered more than 40 properties from people who had lied to get them.

A spokesman said: “We tackle fraudulent tenancies head on and recover unlawfully occupied properties for those who need them.

“A person who commits tenancy fraud effectively steals a home from someone who is waiting on the housing register.

“If someone suspects tenancy fraud, they can report it in confidence at their neighbourhood housing office or by email to reporthousingfraud@boltonathome.org.uk.”

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7:12am Fri 3 Jan 14

oftbewildered2 says...

it must be hard to get a fine balance in recovery benefits fraud monies. Too harsh an investigation lease you open to accusations of draconian measures from the innocent - whilst to be too lenient lets the guilty off the hook. However it is good to have these figures published so that those who do attempt to defraud know that sooner or later they will be found out.
it must be hard to get a fine balance in recovery benefits fraud monies. Too harsh an investigation lease you open to accusations of draconian measures from the innocent - whilst to be too lenient lets the guilty off the hook. However it is good to have these figures published so that those who do attempt to defraud know that sooner or later they will be found out. oftbewildered2

8:31am Fri 3 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

I know people who have lived their entire lives on benefits knowing that because they have children their benefits will never be stopped.

Oh and for the record these people are white and British.
I know people who have lived their entire lives on benefits knowing that because they have children their benefits will never be stopped. Oh and for the record these people are white and British. Jim271

9:00am Fri 3 Jan 14

danssoncabaret says...

Name and shame them!
Name and shame them! danssoncabaret

9:40am Fri 3 Jan 14

boltonchap says...

More than 1,000 cases of fraud but only 33 prosecutions - why only 33? If someone defrauded me of money I'd prosecute them; 100% rate. Defraud the council, meaning us council tax payers, and only 3% are prosecuted and the other 97% aren't even named and shamed. Is this how the council takes care of our money? Pathetic.
What I don't understand about benefit fraud is not just why the prosecution rate so low, but also why the penalties are so soft; rarely is prison the end result. And yet if I were to walk into the town hall and steal a few thousand pounds I'd go to prison. What's the difference?
More than 1,000 cases of fraud but only 33 prosecutions - why only 33? If someone defrauded me of money I'd prosecute them; 100% rate. Defraud the council, meaning us council tax payers, and only 3% are prosecuted and the other 97% aren't even named and shamed. Is this how the council takes care of our money? Pathetic. What I don't understand about benefit fraud is not just why the prosecution rate so low, but also why the penalties are so soft; rarely is prison the end result. And yet if I were to walk into the town hall and steal a few thousand pounds I'd go to prison. What's the difference? boltonchap

10:37am Fri 3 Jan 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Jim271 wrote:
I know people who have lived their entire lives on benefits knowing that because they have children their benefits will never be stopped.

Oh and for the record these people are white and British.
we are all aware that there are indiginous people faulsely claiming benefits.
But what most people object to is importing benefit cheats from abroad.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: I know people who have lived their entire lives on benefits knowing that because they have children their benefits will never be stopped. Oh and for the record these people are white and British.[/p][/quote]we are all aware that there are indiginous people faulsely claiming benefits. But what most people object to is importing benefit cheats from abroad. Phil from Smithills

11:46am Fri 3 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

danssoncabaret wrote:
Name and shame them!
You could name them. I doubt they understand shame.
[quote][p][bold]danssoncabaret[/bold] wrote: Name and shame them![/p][/quote]You could name them. I doubt they understand shame. Donkey Stone

12:28pm Fri 3 Jan 14

waynagain says...

They would recover a lot more if they offered a reward to people who turned in the cheats
They would recover a lot more if they offered a reward to people who turned in the cheats waynagain

12:39pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card.
That will trip a lot of them up.

Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training
Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card. That will trip a lot of them up. Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training Jim271

12:45pm Fri 3 Jan 14

MrBenggo says...

When benefit cheats are brought before the courts,the sentences given out are paltry.
My idea would be to jail 'em for as long as it would take to pay back the money£10,000 was thieved,and a wage of £250 a week was calculated to be the earnings,so forty weeks in jail and have to pay the money back when they are out.
When benefit cheats are brought before the courts,the sentences given out are paltry. My idea would be to jail 'em for as long as it would take to pay back the money£10,000 was thieved,and a wage of £250 a week was calculated to be the earnings,so forty weeks in jail and have to pay the money back when they are out. MrBenggo

12:58pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Balboa says...

MrBenggo wrote:
When benefit cheats are brought before the courts,the sentences given out are paltry.
My idea would be to jail 'em for as long as it would take to pay back the money£10,000 was thieved,and a wage of £250 a week was calculated to be the earnings,so forty weeks in jail and have to pay the money back when they are out.
The example £10k loss would be increased by another £30-40k per annum cost of jailing the cheat.

The cheat should be made to work in the voluntary sector unless and until they find paid employment, and then start paying back the £10k.
[quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote: When benefit cheats are brought before the courts,the sentences given out are paltry. My idea would be to jail 'em for as long as it would take to pay back the money£10,000 was thieved,and a wage of £250 a week was calculated to be the earnings,so forty weeks in jail and have to pay the money back when they are out.[/p][/quote]The example £10k loss would be increased by another £30-40k per annum cost of jailing the cheat. The cheat should be made to work in the voluntary sector unless and until they find paid employment, and then start paying back the £10k. Balboa

1:10pm Fri 3 Jan 14

cliff4treasurer says...

You mean like the community service regime where they all turn up when they want then sit about smoking as the "supervisor" is outnumbered and powerless.
No, having taken the pill of being robbed by the scum I am in favour of spending a few more quid and jailing them, end of.
Forget the money as most of them are layabouts and never work anyway so no matter what court order for compensation they receive they will never repay it.
Jail is the only deterrent possibly but not the three meals a day warm bed with TV type of jail.You know what sort of jail but it wont happen.
You mean like the community service regime where they all turn up when they want then sit about smoking as the "supervisor" is outnumbered and powerless. No, having taken the pill of being robbed by the scum I am in favour of spending a few more quid and jailing them, end of. Forget the money as most of them are layabouts and never work anyway so no matter what court order for compensation they receive they will never repay it. Jail is the only deterrent possibly but not the three meals a day warm bed with TV type of jail.You know what sort of jail but it wont happen. cliff4treasurer

1:12pm Fri 3 Jan 14

bernie boy says...

Jim271 wrote:
Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card.
That will trip a lot of them up.

Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training
Your comment makes no sense! Why should anyone who's had a job for over twelve months be forced to attend college?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card. That will trip a lot of them up. Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training[/p][/quote]Your comment makes no sense! Why should anyone who's had a job for over twelve months be forced to attend college? bernie boy

1:12pm Fri 3 Jan 14

bernie boy says...

Jim271 wrote:
Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card.
That will trip a lot of them up.

Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training
Your comment makes no sense! Why should anyone who's had a job for over twelve months be forced to attend college?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card. That will trip a lot of them up. Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training[/p][/quote]Your comment makes no sense! Why should anyone who's had a job for over twelve months be forced to attend college? bernie boy

1:34pm Fri 3 Jan 14

albertmodley says...

bernie boy wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card.
That will trip a lot of them up.

Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training
Your comment makes no sense! Why should anyone who's had a job for over twelve months be forced to attend college?
Misprint? Read Unemployed for 12 months, then it does make a lot of sense
[quote][p][bold]bernie boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card. That will trip a lot of them up. Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training[/p][/quote]Your comment makes no sense! Why should anyone who's had a job for over twelve months be forced to attend college?[/p][/quote]Misprint? Read Unemployed for 12 months, then it does make a lot of sense albertmodley

1:47pm Fri 3 Jan 14

filthy6 says...

albertmodley wrote:
bernie boy wrote:
Jim271 wrote: Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card. That will trip a lot of them up. Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training
Your comment makes no sense! Why should anyone who's had a job for over twelve months be forced to attend college?
Misprint? Read Unemployed for 12 months, then it does make a lot of sense
**** - I fancied being offered a cushy college course for a bit :-(
[quote][p][bold]albertmodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bernie boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Introduce a Benefit Entitlement Card. That will trip a lot of them up. Plus anyone employed for over 12 months must attend a college 5 days a week for training[/p][/quote]Your comment makes no sense! Why should anyone who's had a job for over twelve months be forced to attend college?[/p][/quote]Misprint? Read Unemployed for 12 months, then it does make a lot of sense[/p][/quote]**** - I fancied being offered a cushy college course for a bit :-( filthy6

2:35pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Gore Seer says...

I Got £1500 Back From Bolton Council In 2005 For Over Charging Me Thanks To Welfare Rights.
I Got £1500 Back From Bolton Council In 2005 For Over Charging Me Thanks To Welfare Rights. Gore Seer

7:18pm Fri 3 Jan 14

maxie1 says...

danssoncabaret wrote:
Name and shame them!
These people have no shame
[quote][p][bold]danssoncabaret[/bold] wrote: Name and shame them![/p][/quote]These people have no shame maxie1

10:15pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Citizen Cane says...

Boltonchap makes an excellent point - 1000 scum detected and yet only 10% have any form of "punishment".

The rate should be 100% and decent citizens should be emailing their councillors about this, since it gives a 90% reason to either get cheating or keep on cheating.

Sanctions should be : 100% benefits removed until total amount effectively repaid including fines, interest and penalties, thereafter benefits only granted at 90% of full rate, eviction from social housing, interest and penalties added to the cheated amounts and a criminal record attached to each piece of scum involved in these rackets. Also publication of names and photographs.
Boltonchap makes an excellent point - 1000 scum detected and yet only 10% have any form of "punishment". The rate should be 100% and decent citizens should be emailing their councillors about this, since it gives a 90% reason to either get cheating or keep on cheating. Sanctions should be : 100% benefits removed until total amount effectively repaid including fines, interest and penalties, thereafter benefits only granted at 90% of full rate, eviction from social housing, interest and penalties added to the cheated amounts and a criminal record attached to each piece of scum involved in these rackets. Also publication of names and photographs. Citizen Cane

1:46pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Bowden Boy says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Boltonchap makes an excellent point - 1000 scum detected and yet only 10% have any form of "punishment".

The rate should be 100% and decent citizens should be emailing their councillors about this, since it gives a 90% reason to either get cheating or keep on cheating.

Sanctions should be : 100% benefits removed until total amount effectively repaid including fines, interest and penalties, thereafter benefits only granted at 90% of full rate, eviction from social housing, interest and penalties added to the cheated amounts and a criminal record attached to each piece of scum involved in these rackets. Also publication of names and photographs.
Are any of the Council Chiefs reading this. If you are then then follow Citizen Cane's ideas and stop these idle sods living off hard working tax paying people.
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Boltonchap makes an excellent point - 1000 scum detected and yet only 10% have any form of "punishment". The rate should be 100% and decent citizens should be emailing their councillors about this, since it gives a 90% reason to either get cheating or keep on cheating. Sanctions should be : 100% benefits removed until total amount effectively repaid including fines, interest and penalties, thereafter benefits only granted at 90% of full rate, eviction from social housing, interest and penalties added to the cheated amounts and a criminal record attached to each piece of scum involved in these rackets. Also publication of names and photographs.[/p][/quote]Are any of the Council Chiefs reading this. If you are then then follow Citizen Cane's ideas and stop these idle sods living off hard working tax paying people. Bowden Boy

5:41pm Sat 4 Jan 14

genesis22 says...

to detect fraud you need both an audit trail of evidence and the will to convict the guilty, most white British people hold bank accounts and the DWP now have the systems in place to identify these facts against the claims made. Most ethnic claimants are advised not to hold bank accounts and when investigations are carried out, they often uncover large amounts of cash at the claimants home, of course these people then claim its a relatives money that they do not speak English nor understand the questions being asked. Eventually the file is then closed and nothing further happens as it would upset ethnic relations if matters went further. As for housing benefit fraud, the classic scam amongst the ethnics is for actual home owners to claim they are renting the property from a landlord, they then receive rental monies used to pay their mortgage. We operate under control systems geared to English traditional practises, foreigners arrive who are masters in the art of deceit and corruption who plunder our systems at will, using fake documents, language barriers and every other cultural means possible, not least that they share common names and the distorted legal rights afforded them. Simple example - white individuals claiming job seekers allowance must provide evidence demonstrating they have proactively been searching for work every time they sign on in order to be entitled to continue receiving unemployment benefit. When your ethnic immigrants sign on they produce no evidence of looking for work or claim in broken English they do not understand, they are allowed to continue getting the benefits. It is not a fair, level or even equitable system in force, we have one system for our own and another relaxed system for immigrants and we wonder why there is bitterness and resentment, it is morally unjust and disgraceful
to detect fraud you need both an audit trail of evidence and the will to convict the guilty, most white British people hold bank accounts and the DWP now have the systems in place to identify these facts against the claims made. Most ethnic claimants are advised not to hold bank accounts and when investigations are carried out, they often uncover large amounts of cash at the claimants home, of course these people then claim its a relatives money that they do not speak English nor understand the questions being asked. Eventually the file is then closed and nothing further happens as it would upset ethnic relations if matters went further. As for housing benefit fraud, the classic scam amongst the ethnics is for actual home owners to claim they are renting the property from a landlord, they then receive rental monies used to pay their mortgage. We operate under control systems geared to English traditional practises, foreigners arrive who are masters in the art of deceit and corruption who plunder our systems at will, using fake documents, language barriers and every other cultural means possible, not least that they share common names and the distorted legal rights afforded them. Simple example - white individuals claiming job seekers allowance must provide evidence demonstrating they have proactively been searching for work every time they sign on in order to be entitled to continue receiving unemployment benefit. When your ethnic immigrants sign on they produce no evidence of looking for work or claim in broken English they do not understand, they are allowed to continue getting the benefits. It is not a fair, level or even equitable system in force, we have one system for our own and another relaxed system for immigrants and we wonder why there is bitterness and resentment, it is morally unjust and disgraceful genesis22

10:12am Sun 5 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Slightly going off topic but it is still poignant - did we ever find out the names of the Councillors who couldn't be bothered to pay their Council Tax???

(yes white British people not paying their taxes!!!)
Slightly going off topic but it is still poignant - did we ever find out the names of the Councillors who couldn't be bothered to pay their Council Tax??? (yes white British people not paying their taxes!!!) BWFC71

6:30pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Genesis22 - seems to know the system inside out and is some sort of expert on Ethnic immigrants.
Genesis22 - seems to know the system inside out and is some sort of expert on Ethnic immigrants. Greasy Chip Butty

7:17pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Lancashire always says...

Please note Cynthia`s comments are false you have to pay up front and these companies always target the desperate, You will never make any money from these scam companies 20 + years ago it was addressing envelopes from home you just had to send them 20 Quid and were usually to embarrassed to admit it which is what these `companies ` rely on
Please note Cynthia`s comments are false you have to pay up front and these companies always target the desperate, You will never make any money from these scam companies 20 + years ago it was addressing envelopes from home you just had to send them 20 Quid and were usually to embarrassed to admit it which is what these `companies ` rely on Lancashire always

10:37am Mon 6 Jan 14

Janbur says...

I think this mobility allowance needs to be seen into their relatives get the car and then they use it for their own convienience and forget about the disabled person who its meant to be for.and another thing if they get mobility allowance why oh why do they get a bus pass?
I think this mobility allowance needs to be seen into their relatives get the car and then they use it for their own convienience and forget about the disabled person who its meant to be for.and another thing if they get mobility allowance why oh why do they get a bus pass? Janbur

11:34am Mon 6 Jan 14

Good Evans says...

It a load of bow locks. I have reported someone who is not only claiming every benefit going but also running a business. What have the DWP done about it??????????? Nothing.
I also know of a individual who not only claims for a mobility car of which her son uses 100% of the time but she is a co- ordinater for foreign students coming to stay over here and has a business cake making and catering. Waht have the DWP done????????????? Nothing.

Much easier for them to stop the benfits of a man who cannot work due to having a stroke and saying he is fit for work than get off their backsides and look into these reports isnt it !!!!!!!!!!
It a load of bow locks. I have reported someone who is not only claiming every benefit going but also running a business. What have the DWP done about it??????????? Nothing. I also know of a individual who not only claims for a mobility car of which her son uses 100% of the time but she is a co- ordinater for foreign students coming to stay over here and has a business cake making and catering. Waht have the DWP done????????????? Nothing. Much easier for them to stop the benfits of a man who cannot work due to having a stroke and saying he is fit for work than get off their backsides and look into these reports isnt it !!!!!!!!!! Good Evans

3:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

I WOULD SAY THERE ARE JUST AS MANY IMMIGRANTS DOING THIS TOO, IT'S JUST HARDER TO TRACK THEM DOWN AS MOST LOOK THE SAME AND HAVE SIMILAR NAMES !!! INCLUDING THE ONES THAT MOVED HERE 40 YEARS AGO. AND DO YOU THINK NAMING AND SHAMING ANY BENEFIT CHEATS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE- IT WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.
I WOULD SAY THERE ARE JUST AS MANY IMMIGRANTS DOING THIS TOO, IT'S JUST HARDER TO TRACK THEM DOWN AS MOST LOOK THE SAME AND HAVE SIMILAR NAMES !!! INCLUDING THE ONES THAT MOVED HERE 40 YEARS AGO. AND DO YOU THINK NAMING AND SHAMING ANY BENEFIT CHEATS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE- IT WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER. VIGILANTE VIC

3:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

genesis22 says...

SPOT ON THERE I TOTALLY AGREE
genesis22 says... SPOT ON THERE I TOTALLY AGREE VIGILANTE VIC

6:55pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

VIGILANTE VIC wrote:
I WOULD SAY THERE ARE JUST AS MANY IMMIGRANTS DOING THIS TOO, IT'S JUST HARDER TO TRACK THEM DOWN AS MOST LOOK THE SAME AND HAVE SIMILAR NAMES !!! INCLUDING THE ONES THAT MOVED HERE 40 YEARS AGO. AND DO YOU THINK NAMING AND SHAMING ANY BENEFIT CHEATS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE- IT WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.
Just think of all the Smith's and Jones' that all look alike and are doing the same as well!!!! And they have been doing it for far much longer!
[quote][p][bold]VIGILANTE VIC[/bold] wrote: I WOULD SAY THERE ARE JUST AS MANY IMMIGRANTS DOING THIS TOO, IT'S JUST HARDER TO TRACK THEM DOWN AS MOST LOOK THE SAME AND HAVE SIMILAR NAMES !!! INCLUDING THE ONES THAT MOVED HERE 40 YEARS AGO. AND DO YOU THINK NAMING AND SHAMING ANY BENEFIT CHEATS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE- IT WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.[/p][/quote]Just think of all the Smith's and Jones' that all look alike and are doing the same as well!!!! And they have been doing it for far much longer! BWFC71

7:06pm Mon 6 Jan 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

BWFC71 says...
Just think of all the Smith's and Jones' that all look alike and are doing the same as well!!!! And they have been doing it for far much longer!

REALLY... WELL THEY LOOK NOTHING LIKE EACH OTHER TO ME ?
BWFC71 says... Just think of all the Smith's and Jones' that all look alike and are doing the same as well!!!! And they have been doing it for far much longer! REALLY... WELL THEY LOOK NOTHING LIKE EACH OTHER TO ME ? VIGILANTE VIC

9:07am Tue 7 Jan 14

stotty1 says...

to jim 271 ,I am 39 yrs and I am self employed I pay loads of tax, I do not mind paying for white English bums,enough said.
to jim 271 ,I am 39 yrs and I am self employed I pay loads of tax, I do not mind paying for white English bums,enough said. stotty1

9:14am Tue 7 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

VIGILANTE VIC wrote:
BWFC71 says...
Just think of all the Smith's and Jones' that all look alike and are doing the same as well!!!! And they have been doing it for far much longer!

REALLY... WELL THEY LOOK NOTHING LIKE EACH OTHER TO ME ?
Well funnily enough nneither do the Kumars, Singh's, Kochanowski, etc so your original poty was sailing on the racist side, right, without actually knowing the proper truth (instead of the UKIP and Daily Mail lies)?

Now I bet you disagree (that wouldn't be a surprise!)!!


As the current joke is going around - I bet Nick Griffin now regrets his racial policy as he would rather be in the black!!!!
[quote][p][bold]VIGILANTE VIC[/bold] wrote: BWFC71 says... Just think of all the Smith's and Jones' that all look alike and are doing the same as well!!!! And they have been doing it for far much longer! REALLY... WELL THEY LOOK NOTHING LIKE EACH OTHER TO ME ?[/p][/quote]Well funnily enough nneither do the Kumars, Singh's, Kochanowski, etc so your original poty was sailing on the racist side, right, without actually knowing the proper truth (instead of the UKIP and Daily Mail lies)? Now I bet you disagree (that wouldn't be a surprise!)!! As the current joke is going around - I bet Nick Griffin now regrets his racial policy as he would rather be in the black!!!! BWFC71

7:22pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

BWFC71 says...
Well funnily enough neither do the Kumars, Singh's, Kochanowski,

NOT SURE WHERE IN BOLTON YOU LIVE BUT IN DAUBHILL-DEANE, THEY DO HERE,.... I'M ENTITLED TO MY OPINION WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...GOD HELP THIS COUNTRY, OH WAIT A MIN IT'S GONE BEYOND HELP. YOUR ANOTHER DO GOODER WHO BURIES HIS HEAD IN THE SAND OR IS MAYBE ONE OF OUR SO CALLED ETHNIC MINORITIES, I SEE WHAT GOES ON IN MY STREET, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TELL YOU... OH I SEE YOU ALREADY ARE AWARE OF THE SCAMS :-)

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BWFC71 says... Well funnily enough neither do the Kumars, Singh's, Kochanowski, NOT SURE WHERE IN BOLTON YOU LIVE BUT IN DAUBHILL-DEANE, THEY DO HERE,.... I'M ENTITLED TO MY OPINION WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...GOD HELP THIS COUNTRY, OH WAIT A MIN IT'S GONE BEYOND HELP. YOUR ANOTHER DO GOODER WHO BURIES HIS HEAD IN THE SAND OR IS MAYBE ONE OF OUR SO CALLED ETHNIC MINORITIES, I SEE WHAT GOES ON IN MY STREET, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TELL YOU... OH I SEE YOU ALREADY ARE AWARE OF THE SCAMS :-) ____________________ _____ I added cool smileys to this message... if you don't see them go to: http://s.exps.me VIGILANTE VIC

8:27am Wed 8 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

to Stotty, I hope that was sarcasm,

try living next door to them.
to Stotty, I hope that was sarcasm, try living next door to them. Jim271

9:16am Wed 8 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

Theres a story in todays Manchester Evening News about a man facing eviction over bedroom tax arrears.

How can I single man justify living in a three bedroomed house when he's not worked for years.

kick him out and move him into a flat.
Theres a story in todays Manchester Evening News about a man facing eviction over bedroom tax arrears. How can I single man justify living in a three bedroomed house when he's not worked for years. kick him out and move him into a flat. Jim271

5:36pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

VIGILANTE VIC wrote:
BWFC71 says...
Well funnily enough neither do the Kumars, Singh's, Kochanowski,

NOT SURE WHERE IN BOLTON YOU LIVE BUT IN DAUBHILL-DEANE, THEY DO HERE,.... I'M ENTITLED TO MY OPINION WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...GOD HELP THIS COUNTRY, OH WAIT A MIN IT'S GONE BEYOND HELP. YOUR ANOTHER DO GOODER WHO BURIES HIS HEAD IN THE SAND OR IS MAYBE ONE OF OUR SO CALLED ETHNIC MINORITIES, I SEE WHAT GOES ON IN MY STREET, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TELL YOU... OH I SEE YOU ALREADY ARE AWARE OF THE SCAMS :-)

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Not a do-gooder at all - but a realistic person who is not blinkered by jealousy over someone else who is successful or actually gets things done without moaning about others!!!

Why not be pro-active and do something positive instead of moaning and whinging and sounding very pathetic and child-like!

If like the word of Ethnic minority I hope you realise as being a Roman Catholic I am an Ethnic Minority and actually breaking the law because being Roman Catholic is against a law in the United Kingdom - a law that has never been repealed!!!!
[quote][p][bold]VIGILANTE VIC[/bold] wrote: BWFC71 says... Well funnily enough neither do the Kumars, Singh's, Kochanowski, NOT SURE WHERE IN BOLTON YOU LIVE BUT IN DAUBHILL-DEANE, THEY DO HERE,.... I'M ENTITLED TO MY OPINION WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...GOD HELP THIS COUNTRY, OH WAIT A MIN IT'S GONE BEYOND HELP. YOUR ANOTHER DO GOODER WHO BURIES HIS HEAD IN THE SAND OR IS MAYBE ONE OF OUR SO CALLED ETHNIC MINORITIES, I SEE WHAT GOES ON IN MY STREET, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TELL YOU... OH I SEE YOU ALREADY ARE AWARE OF THE SCAMS :-) ____________________ _____ I added cool smileys to this message... if you don't see them go to: http://s.exps.me[/p][/quote]Not a do-gooder at all - but a realistic person who is not blinkered by jealousy over someone else who is successful or actually gets things done without moaning about others!!! Why not be pro-active and do something positive instead of moaning and whinging and sounding very pathetic and child-like! If like the word of Ethnic minority I hope you realise as being a Roman Catholic I am an Ethnic Minority and actually breaking the law because being Roman Catholic is against a law in the United Kingdom - a law that has never been repealed!!!! BWFC71

6:33pm Wed 8 Jan 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

BWFC71 says...
Not a do-gooder at all - but a realistic person who is not blinkered by jealousy over someone else who is successful or actually gets things done without moaning about others!!!

JEALOUS, NO I'M JUST SICK OF THIS COUNTRY HANDING OUT MONEY TO THESE PEOPLE.. AND HAVE CONTRIBUTED NOTING INTO IT...


Why not be pro-active and do something positive instead of moaning and whinging and sounding very pathetic and child-like!
YES I THINK I WILL BE PROACTIVE AND REPORT THEM TO THE HOUSING AND BENEFITS OFFICE FOR ALL THE FIDDLING THEY DO, AND YES I SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES ON MY STREET... THIS COUNTRY IS A JOKE, AS PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED OF OFFENDING THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS PLAY THE RACE CARD, THEY CAN HAVE THE COUNTRY TO THEMSELVES I WOULD BE OFF TOMORROW IF CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOWED, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE HID MY MONEY FROM THE TAXMAN AND FIDDLED MY WAY ABOUT IN LIFE, MAYBE THEN I WOULD HAVE BEEN AWAY FROM THIS HOLE YEARS AGO
BWFC71 says... Not a do-gooder at all - but a realistic person who is not blinkered by jealousy over someone else who is successful or actually gets things done without moaning about others!!! JEALOUS, NO I'M JUST SICK OF THIS COUNTRY HANDING OUT MONEY TO THESE PEOPLE.. AND HAVE CONTRIBUTED NOTING INTO IT... Why not be pro-active and do something positive instead of moaning and whinging and sounding very pathetic and child-like! YES I THINK I WILL BE PROACTIVE AND REPORT THEM TO THE HOUSING AND BENEFITS OFFICE FOR ALL THE FIDDLING THEY DO, AND YES I SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES ON MY STREET... THIS COUNTRY IS A JOKE, AS PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED OF OFFENDING THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS PLAY THE RACE CARD, THEY CAN HAVE THE COUNTRY TO THEMSELVES I WOULD BE OFF TOMORROW IF CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOWED, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE HID MY MONEY FROM THE TAXMAN AND FIDDLED MY WAY ABOUT IN LIFE, MAYBE THEN I WOULD HAVE BEEN AWAY FROM THIS HOLE YEARS AGO VIGILANTE VIC

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