Bolton Council could get cash to let fracking companies into borough

A fracking machine

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BOLTON Council could receive a cash windfall if it allows companies to drill for shale gas in the town, following a Downing Street announcement.

But the council leader has stressed no sites have been identified in the town yet.

Prime Minister David Cameron said yesterday local authorities that allow fracking — a process of drilling into the ground to recover gas and oil — will be able to keep 100 per cent of the business rates they collect from the site.

The amount is double the current 50 per cent figure, and could be worth up to £1.7 million a year for a typical site.

However, the practice is highly controversial, with green campaigners arguing the process uses huge amounts of water and potentially carcinogenic chemicals, which could escape and contaminate ground water, and fracking can also cause small earthquakes.

Cllr Cliff Morris, Bolton Council leader, refused to be drawn on the benefits or negatives on fracking.

He said: “On fracking, everyone will be judged on its merits, where it is and what the impact will be.

“There are no sites identified in Bolton at the moment.”

In recent weeks, hundreds of environmentalists have been camping at Barton Moss, in Salford, to protest against plans for exploratory drilling at the site, about 12 miles from Bolton.

Energy company IGas has permission to carry out test drilling on the area, which campaigners say could lead to the discovery of shale gas.

During the announcement, Mr Cameron said local communities would also benefit from shale gas exploration, with local areas receiving £100,000 when a test well is fracked — and a further one per cent of revenues if shale gas is discovered.

He said: “A key part of our long-term economic plan to secure Britain’s future is to back businesses with better infrastructure.

“That’s why we’re going all out for shale. It will mean more jobs and opportunities for people, and economic security for our country.”

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11:58am Tue 14 Jan 14

charbolton says...

money hungry bolton council will no doubt allow this!! FRACK OFF!
money hungry bolton council will no doubt allow this!! FRACK OFF! charbolton
  • Score: -3

12:13pm Tue 14 Jan 14

angus macoatup says...

FRACK OFF
FRACK OFF angus macoatup
  • Score: 3

1:30pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Insanity.

The mainstream media are failing on all fronts.

Shale Gas has not brought down the price of gas in America, I know thgis for a FACT - I lived in the states until a few years ago, and every other month it seemed the prices went up, despite the press listening to the garnish dished out by the government and the corporations who promise this that and the other including jobs based on the American dream. It is all fluster and BS.

Fracking is causing misery to the residents who live on the doorstep of Fracking wells, not just gas but fracked oil. Water supplies are tainted, fish pop up dead in rivers, earthquakes happen on a daily basis in areas that have never been troubled by quakes. Buildings subside, and there is some evidence that the gases seep into the surrounding atmosphere from missed fractures.

I have done a lot of research on fracking during my time in Oregon. The evidence for cheap gas just does not stack up. The environmental dangers are all to apparent and do actually affect the residents that live near these wells, both emotionally and physically due to polluted water supplies - watch the videos on youTube of people lighting their faucets while water is running with matches.

The need to stop pandering to the companies that restrict the development of technology is a high one. If the government want to create jobs and respect the environment while giving us cheap clean energy then they should be looking towards the renewable green energies of solar, wind and wave power. But the fact that this is just not profitable for the government and their corporate friends is all too apparent in this debacle.

What actually should be happening is that people should be protesting this crazy crazy industry. And I do not mean start name calling and saying that "those protesting are a bunch of hippies that do not work". That attitude is BS, people need to put their minds into gear and think about the futures of their children, their grandchildren.

Nearly all of the UK will house areas that will be licenced fracking zones. Already that map is getting cluttered with potential Fracking sites.

You only need to look as far as France why this Fracking BS we are being fed is absolute hogwash. So tell me why Bolton News do you or your media friends not tell the truth - tell people what is really going on.

Let's take the French corporation 'Total' who are applying for licences in the UK to frack for shale gas - this is because in France fracking has been banned, outlawed and shoved to the bottom of the energy pile.

Tell people the TRUTH!!!

No Fracking should NOT come to Bolton - But because people will not do anything about it, they will sit back and watch this happen in our town - everybody will suffer the consequences. The government will not give you a choice in the matter and the police will go on to protect their corporate owners at the gates of various fracking sites with brutal force.

I am ashamed... I am ashamed of our culture, ashamed to be British, ashamed of our police, ashamed of our laws, ashamed of our government, ashamed of my town, ashamed of this once Great Britain.

I am ashamed!!!
Insanity. The mainstream media are failing on all fronts. Shale Gas has not brought down the price of gas in America, I know thgis for a FACT - I lived in the states until a few years ago, and every other month it seemed the prices went up, despite the press listening to the garnish dished out by the government and the corporations who promise this that and the other including jobs based on the American dream. It is all fluster and BS. Fracking is causing misery to the residents who live on the doorstep of Fracking wells, not just gas but fracked oil. Water supplies are tainted, fish pop up dead in rivers, earthquakes happen on a daily basis in areas that have never been troubled by quakes. Buildings subside, and there is some evidence that the gases seep into the surrounding atmosphere from missed fractures. I have done a lot of research on fracking during my time in Oregon. The evidence for cheap gas just does not stack up. The environmental dangers are all to apparent and do actually affect the residents that live near these wells, both emotionally and physically due to polluted water supplies - watch the videos on youTube of people lighting their faucets while water is running with matches. The need to stop pandering to the companies that restrict the development of technology is a high one. If the government want to create jobs and respect the environment while giving us cheap clean energy then they should be looking towards the renewable green energies of solar, wind and wave power. But the fact that this is just not profitable for the government and their corporate friends is all too apparent in this debacle. What actually should be happening is that people should be protesting this crazy crazy industry. And I do not mean start name calling and saying that "those protesting are a bunch of hippies that do not work". That attitude is BS, people need to put their minds into gear and think about the futures of their children, their grandchildren. Nearly all of the UK will house areas that will be licenced fracking zones. Already that map is getting cluttered with potential Fracking sites. You only need to look as far as France why this Fracking BS we are being fed is absolute hogwash. So tell me why Bolton News do you or your media friends not tell the truth - tell people what is really going on. Let's take the French corporation 'Total' who are applying for licences in the UK to frack for shale gas - this is because in France fracking has been banned, outlawed and shoved to the bottom of the energy pile. Tell people the TRUTH!!! No Fracking should NOT come to Bolton - But because people will not do anything about it, they will sit back and watch this happen in our town - everybody will suffer the consequences. The government will not give you a choice in the matter and the police will go on to protect their corporate owners at the gates of various fracking sites with brutal force. I am ashamed... I am ashamed of our culture, ashamed to be British, ashamed of our police, ashamed of our laws, ashamed of our government, ashamed of my town, ashamed of this once Great Britain. I am ashamed!!! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 13

1:32pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brumas says...

I am definitely against Fracking, after doing some investigations into the chemicals used and the methods that are used to extract the shale gas, NASTY. Please, all insist that your Bolton Councillor urges the Council not to allow fracking in the Borough.
Please follow the link:- The Fuss over Fracking:The Dilemma of a new gas boom-Vidio-Time.com
Then I hope you to will become a NIMBY.
I am definitely against Fracking, after doing some investigations into the chemicals used and the methods that are used to extract the shale gas, NASTY. Please, all insist that your Bolton Councillor urges the Council not to allow fracking in the Borough. Please follow the link:- The Fuss over Fracking:The Dilemma of a new gas boom-Vidio-Time.com Then I hope you to will become a NIMBY. Brumas
  • Score: -1

1:38pm Tue 14 Jan 14

waterbottle says...

Here we go lets all jump on the bandwagon and just ignore what the people of the borough got to say
Here we go lets all jump on the bandwagon and just ignore what the people of the borough got to say waterbottle
  • Score: 16

1:41pm Tue 14 Jan 14

exboard says...

Perhaps "Beyond News Forum" should prefer to go back to the USA. then he would be able to benefit from the cheaper gas now available from Fracking.
With the escalating cost of fuel here I say "the sooner the better."
Perhaps "Beyond News Forum" should prefer to go back to the USA. then he would be able to benefit from the cheaper gas now available from Fracking. With the escalating cost of fuel here I say "the sooner the better." exboard
  • Score: 6

1:48pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

waterbottle wrote:
Here we go lets all jump on the bandwagon and just ignore what the people of the borough got to say
And so it begins... ;)

People will be ignored anyway. There are huge protests going on all around the world, but the corporate empires that control the media are blacklisting this news reporting. The media will not serve up news that poo-poo's their corporate financiers - and if they do serve up news of a protest the media choose what BS to report so that their corporate masters are made to look good and intelligent. When the facts are exactly the opposite.

Watch now the droves of people coming here either as paid shills or government backers or maybe even have a stake in fracking to try and ,make this evil industry sound and look good.

DO NOT FALL FOR IT PEOPLE OF BOLTON. I WARN YOU NOW NOT ALL IS AS IT SEEMS - I'VE LIVED IT AND SEEN IT FIRST HAND.
[quote][p][bold]waterbottle[/bold] wrote: Here we go lets all jump on the bandwagon and just ignore what the people of the borough got to say[/p][/quote]And so it begins... ;) People will be ignored anyway. There are huge protests going on all around the world, but the corporate empires that control the media are blacklisting this news reporting. The media will not serve up news that poo-poo's their corporate financiers - and if they do serve up news of a protest the media choose what BS to report so that their corporate masters are made to look good and intelligent. When the facts are exactly the opposite. Watch now the droves of people coming here either as paid shills or government backers or maybe even have a stake in fracking to try and ,make this evil industry sound and look good. DO NOT FALL FOR IT PEOPLE OF BOLTON. I WARN YOU NOW NOT ALL IS AS IT SEEMS - I'VE LIVED IT AND SEEN IT FIRST HAND. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -10

1:51pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brumas says...

exboard wrote:
Perhaps "Beyond News Forum" should prefer to go back to the USA. then he would be able to benefit from the cheaper gas now available from Fracking.
With the escalating cost of fuel here I say "the sooner the better."
Exboard, get in the real world, why has France has a nation banned Fracking?
Google my previous link, the results are not BS, but real and the authorities are being economical with the truth. There is a site earmarked for test drilling that straddles the border of Westhoughton / Atherton. Is that near enough for an environmental disaster?
[quote][p][bold]exboard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps "Beyond News Forum" should prefer to go back to the USA. then he would be able to benefit from the cheaper gas now available from Fracking. With the escalating cost of fuel here I say "the sooner the better."[/p][/quote]Exboard, get in the real world, why has France has a nation banned Fracking? Google my previous link, the results are not BS, but real and the authorities are being economical with the truth. There is a site earmarked for test drilling that straddles the border of Westhoughton / Atherton. Is that near enough for an environmental disaster? Brumas
  • Score: 1

1:53pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

exboard wrote:
Perhaps "Beyond News Forum" should prefer to go back to the USA. then he would be able to benefit from the cheaper gas now available from Fracking.
With the escalating cost of fuel here I say "the sooner the better."
Isn't the BN owned by people from the USA?
[quote][p][bold]exboard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps "Beyond News Forum" should prefer to go back to the USA. then he would be able to benefit from the cheaper gas now available from Fracking. With the escalating cost of fuel here I say "the sooner the better."[/p][/quote]Isn't the BN owned by people from the USA? Donkey Stone
  • Score: 5

1:56pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

waterbottle wrote:
Here we go lets all jump on the bandwagon and just ignore what the people of the borough got to say
Vote them out. Starting with Morris.
[quote][p][bold]waterbottle[/bold] wrote: Here we go lets all jump on the bandwagon and just ignore what the people of the borough got to say[/p][/quote]Vote them out. Starting with Morris. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 5

1:58pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Lets get going - the best place to start fracking would be The Town Hall - plenty of hot gas seems to seep from there every day!!!

To be fair it is a progress and as usual as its a new process there are luddites who do not want progression and actually live on the fear of what has happened elsewhere.

Here in the UK we have extra steps and laws to make sure what has happened in the US for exploring for shale gas doesn't happen here. Lets put it this way we are growing closer and closer to the point of exhausting our current fossil fuels and so we do need to explore and use new methods of gaining the last remnants - prices will continue to rise but what would be worse - having power with high prices or not have any power whatsoever???
Lets get going - the best place to start fracking would be The Town Hall - plenty of hot gas seems to seep from there every day!!! To be fair it is a progress and as usual as its a new process there are luddites who do not want progression and actually live on the fear of what has happened elsewhere. Here in the UK we have extra steps and laws to make sure what has happened in the US for exploring for shale gas doesn't happen here. Lets put it this way we are growing closer and closer to the point of exhausting our current fossil fuels and so we do need to explore and use new methods of gaining the last remnants - prices will continue to rise but what would be worse - having power with high prices or not have any power whatsoever??? BWFC71
  • Score: 5

1:59pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Insanity.

The mainstream media are failing on all fronts.

Shale Gas has not brought down the price of gas in America, I know thgis for a FACT - I lived in the states until a few years ago, and every other month it seemed the prices went up, despite the press listening to the garnish dished out by the government and the corporations who promise this that and the other including jobs based on the American dream. It is all fluster and BS.

Fracking is causing misery to the residents who live on the doorstep of Fracking wells, not just gas but fracked oil. Water supplies are tainted, fish pop up dead in rivers, earthquakes happen on a daily basis in areas that have never been troubled by quakes. Buildings subside, and there is some evidence that the gases seep into the surrounding atmosphere from missed fractures.

I have done a lot of research on fracking during my time in Oregon. The evidence for cheap gas just does not stack up. The environmental dangers are all to apparent and do actually affect the residents that live near these wells, both emotionally and physically due to polluted water supplies - watch the videos on youTube of people lighting their faucets while water is running with matches.

The need to stop pandering to the companies that restrict the development of technology is a high one. If the government want to create jobs and respect the environment while giving us cheap clean energy then they should be looking towards the renewable green energies of solar, wind and wave power. But the fact that this is just not profitable for the government and their corporate friends is all too apparent in this debacle.

What actually should be happening is that people should be protesting this crazy crazy industry. And I do not mean start name calling and saying that "those protesting are a bunch of hippies that do not work". That attitude is BS, people need to put their minds into gear and think about the futures of their children, their grandchildren.

Nearly all of the UK will house areas that will be licenced fracking zones. Already that map is getting cluttered with potential Fracking sites.

You only need to look as far as France why this Fracking BS we are being fed is absolute hogwash. So tell me why Bolton News do you or your media friends not tell the truth - tell people what is really going on.

Let's take the French corporation 'Total' who are applying for licences in the UK to frack for shale gas - this is because in France fracking has been banned, outlawed and shoved to the bottom of the energy pile.

Tell people the TRUTH!!!

No Fracking should NOT come to Bolton - But because people will not do anything about it, they will sit back and watch this happen in our town - everybody will suffer the consequences. The government will not give you a choice in the matter and the police will go on to protect their corporate owners at the gates of various fracking sites with brutal force.

I am ashamed... I am ashamed of our culture, ashamed to be British, ashamed of our police, ashamed of our laws, ashamed of our government, ashamed of my town, ashamed of this once Great Britain.

I am ashamed!!!
Just go back to the States then if you are that ashamed!!!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Insanity. The mainstream media are failing on all fronts. Shale Gas has not brought down the price of gas in America, I know thgis for a FACT - I lived in the states until a few years ago, and every other month it seemed the prices went up, despite the press listening to the garnish dished out by the government and the corporations who promise this that and the other including jobs based on the American dream. It is all fluster and BS. Fracking is causing misery to the residents who live on the doorstep of Fracking wells, not just gas but fracked oil. Water supplies are tainted, fish pop up dead in rivers, earthquakes happen on a daily basis in areas that have never been troubled by quakes. Buildings subside, and there is some evidence that the gases seep into the surrounding atmosphere from missed fractures. I have done a lot of research on fracking during my time in Oregon. The evidence for cheap gas just does not stack up. The environmental dangers are all to apparent and do actually affect the residents that live near these wells, both emotionally and physically due to polluted water supplies - watch the videos on youTube of people lighting their faucets while water is running with matches. The need to stop pandering to the companies that restrict the development of technology is a high one. If the government want to create jobs and respect the environment while giving us cheap clean energy then they should be looking towards the renewable green energies of solar, wind and wave power. But the fact that this is just not profitable for the government and their corporate friends is all too apparent in this debacle. What actually should be happening is that people should be protesting this crazy crazy industry. And I do not mean start name calling and saying that "those protesting are a bunch of hippies that do not work". That attitude is BS, people need to put their minds into gear and think about the futures of their children, their grandchildren. Nearly all of the UK will house areas that will be licenced fracking zones. Already that map is getting cluttered with potential Fracking sites. You only need to look as far as France why this Fracking BS we are being fed is absolute hogwash. So tell me why Bolton News do you or your media friends not tell the truth - tell people what is really going on. Let's take the French corporation 'Total' who are applying for licences in the UK to frack for shale gas - this is because in France fracking has been banned, outlawed and shoved to the bottom of the energy pile. Tell people the TRUTH!!! No Fracking should NOT come to Bolton - But because people will not do anything about it, they will sit back and watch this happen in our town - everybody will suffer the consequences. The government will not give you a choice in the matter and the police will go on to protect their corporate owners at the gates of various fracking sites with brutal force. I am ashamed... I am ashamed of our culture, ashamed to be British, ashamed of our police, ashamed of our laws, ashamed of our government, ashamed of my town, ashamed of this once Great Britain. I am ashamed!!![/p][/quote]Just go back to the States then if you are that ashamed!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 4

2:13pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

Wasn't NORTH SEA OIL supposed to make us all rich????

Ask the question why is it banned in FRANCE???

Why do Councils have to be bribed to allow it to happen???
Wasn't NORTH SEA OIL supposed to make us all rich???? Ask the question why is it banned in FRANCE??? Why do Councils have to be bribed to allow it to happen??? Jim271
  • Score: 7

2:13pm Tue 14 Jan 14

barry g says...

I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers. barry g
  • Score: 7

2:16pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
[quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too! Dr Martin
  • Score: 5

2:18pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Lets get going - the best place to start fracking would be The Town Hall - plenty of hot gas seems to seep from there every day!!!

To be fair it is a progress and as usual as its a new process there are luddites who do not want progression and actually live on the fear of what has happened elsewhere.

Here in the UK we have extra steps and laws to make sure what has happened in the US for exploring for shale gas doesn't happen here. Lets put it this way we are growing closer and closer to the point of exhausting our current fossil fuels and so we do need to explore and use new methods of gaining the last remnants - prices will continue to rise but what would be worse - having power with high prices or not have any power whatsoever???
Yes renewables and not more exploitation of the planets unsustainable resources.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Lets get going - the best place to start fracking would be The Town Hall - plenty of hot gas seems to seep from there every day!!! To be fair it is a progress and as usual as its a new process there are luddites who do not want progression and actually live on the fear of what has happened elsewhere. Here in the UK we have extra steps and laws to make sure what has happened in the US for exploring for shale gas doesn't happen here. Lets put it this way we are growing closer and closer to the point of exhausting our current fossil fuels and so we do need to explore and use new methods of gaining the last remnants - prices will continue to rise but what would be worse - having power with high prices or not have any power whatsoever???[/p][/quote]Yes renewables and not more exploitation of the planets unsustainable resources. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -7

2:24pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

And can we get an edit button please BN???
And can we get an edit button please BN??? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -8

2:24pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Iluminati says...

Fracking the latest environmental horror to decent over Britain. The panic has set in, like with the EU immigration, who were supposed to arrive into their thousand upon thousand. ( the latest figure is 76 ). What is there to be done? I think a proper and effective public inquiries by the government would be a start. Poor David Cameron, he is desperate to start fracking. Once more, he is saddling the horse from the back. ! We don't want to listen to bribes and monetary incentives, until all fact have been professionally clarified, and Cameron should not be too hasty with his promises. Surely, something can't be right with all that fracking, as France has made fracking illegal!!!!
Fracking the latest environmental horror to decent over Britain. The panic has set in, like with the EU immigration, who were supposed to arrive into their thousand upon thousand. ( the latest figure is 76 ). What is there to be done? I think a proper and effective public inquiries by the government would be a start. Poor David Cameron, he is desperate to start fracking. Once more, he is saddling the horse from the back. ! We don't want to listen to bribes and monetary incentives, until all fact have been professionally clarified, and Cameron should not be too hasty with his promises. Surely, something can't be right with all that fracking, as France has made fracking illegal!!!! Iluminati
  • Score: -1

2:28pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Donkey Stone wrote:
exboard wrote:
Perhaps "Beyond News Forum" should prefer to go back to the USA. then he would be able to benefit from the cheaper gas now available from Fracking.
With the escalating cost of fuel here I say "the sooner the better."
Isn't the BN owned by people from the USA?
Possibly the same cartels that own all the media.

Rothschild's & Murdoch's
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exboard[/bold] wrote: Perhaps "Beyond News Forum" should prefer to go back to the USA. then he would be able to benefit from the cheaper gas now available from Fracking. With the escalating cost of fuel here I say "the sooner the better."[/p][/quote]Isn't the BN owned by people from the USA?[/p][/quote]Possibly the same cartels that own all the media. Rothschild's & Murdoch's Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -5

2:31pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Iluminati wrote:
Fracking the latest environmental horror to decent over Britain. The panic has set in, like with the EU immigration, who were supposed to arrive into their thousand upon thousand. ( the latest figure is 76 ). What is there to be done? I think a proper and effective public inquiries by the government would be a start. Poor David Cameron, he is desperate to start fracking. Once more, he is saddling the horse from the back. ! We don't want to listen to bribes and monetary incentives, until all fact have been professionally clarified, and Cameron should not be too hasty with his promises. Surely, something can't be right with all that fracking, as France has made fracking illegal!!!!
Cameron's financial incentives are set by the people that own his puppet government. Like every government to come and historically.
[quote][p][bold]Iluminati[/bold] wrote: Fracking the latest environmental horror to decent over Britain. The panic has set in, like with the EU immigration, who were supposed to arrive into their thousand upon thousand. ( the latest figure is 76 ). What is there to be done? I think a proper and effective public inquiries by the government would be a start. Poor David Cameron, he is desperate to start fracking. Once more, he is saddling the horse from the back. ! We don't want to listen to bribes and monetary incentives, until all fact have been professionally clarified, and Cameron should not be too hasty with his promises. Surely, something can't be right with all that fracking, as France has made fracking illegal!!!![/p][/quote]Cameron's financial incentives are set by the people that own his puppet government. Like every government to come and historically. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -2

2:31pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Tim Burr says...

Jim271 wrote:
Wasn't NORTH SEA OIL supposed to make us all rich????

Ask the question why is it banned in FRANCE???

Why do Councils have to be bribed to allow it to happen???
North Sea oil is banned in France?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Wasn't NORTH SEA OIL supposed to make us all rich???? Ask the question why is it banned in FRANCE??? Why do Councils have to be bribed to allow it to happen???[/p][/quote]North Sea oil is banned in France? Tim Burr
  • Score: 2

2:41pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Dr Martin wrote:
barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only.

Alcohol - Taxed
Cigarettes - Taxed
Flouride - Taxed
Paracetamol - Taxed
Vaccines - Taxed
Cars - Taxed
Petrol - Taxed
Oil - Taxed
Gas - Taxed

All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction.

Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too![/p][/quote]Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only. Alcohol - Taxed Cigarettes - Taxed Flouride - Taxed Paracetamol - Taxed Vaccines - Taxed Cars - Taxed Petrol - Taxed Oil - Taxed Gas - Taxed All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction. Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -10

2:49pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only.

Alcohol - Taxed
Cigarettes - Taxed
Flouride - Taxed
Paracetamol - Taxed
Vaccines - Taxed
Cars - Taxed
Petrol - Taxed
Oil - Taxed
Gas - Taxed

All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction.

Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?
Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it

I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening

So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too![/p][/quote]Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only. Alcohol - Taxed Cigarettes - Taxed Flouride - Taxed Paracetamol - Taxed Vaccines - Taxed Cars - Taxed Petrol - Taxed Oil - Taxed Gas - Taxed All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction. Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?[/p][/quote]Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed? Dr Martin
  • Score: 5

3:06pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only.

Alcohol - Taxed
Cigarettes - Taxed
Flouride - Taxed
Paracetamol - Taxed
Vaccines - Taxed
Cars - Taxed
Petrol - Taxed
Oil - Taxed
Gas - Taxed

All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction.

Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?
Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it

I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening

So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?
I was hoping for a decent debate t be continuing on that news story - especially as I have just spent the last 5 days in The Netherlands!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too![/p][/quote]Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only. Alcohol - Taxed Cigarettes - Taxed Flouride - Taxed Paracetamol - Taxed Vaccines - Taxed Cars - Taxed Petrol - Taxed Oil - Taxed Gas - Taxed All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction. Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?[/p][/quote]Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?[/p][/quote]I was hoping for a decent debate t be continuing on that news story - especially as I have just spent the last 5 days in The Netherlands!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -2

3:21pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Well that's good, I look forward to it.
I think the other guy gave up
Well that's good, I look forward to it. I think the other guy gave up Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

4:22pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Well that's good, I look forward to it.
I think the other guy gave up
No I was busy.

The same reason they pay tax in Colorado Dr. Because it is easier to obtain legally than via crime.

Most 'Stoners' as you quote them would be only to happy to buy legally and pay tax for the privilege.

There will always be criminals though, you go to buy a TV and you pay tax, it still does not stop someone wanting to rob your house.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Well that's good, I look forward to it. I think the other guy gave up[/p][/quote]No I was busy. The same reason they pay tax in Colorado Dr. Because it is easier to obtain legally than via crime. Most 'Stoners' as you quote them would be only to happy to buy legally and pay tax for the privilege. There will always be criminals though, you go to buy a TV and you pay tax, it still does not stop someone wanting to rob your house. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -6

4:31pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only.

Alcohol - Taxed
Cigarettes - Taxed
Flouride - Taxed
Paracetamol - Taxed
Vaccines - Taxed
Cars - Taxed
Petrol - Taxed
Oil - Taxed
Gas - Taxed

All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction.

Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?
Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it

I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening

So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?
Also... You have a car on your drive yes?

Do you think to solve the crisis of cluttered roads that you should hand over your keys just because your car is available.

Your logic does not work. You probably do not like welfare being exploited by immigrants - same goes for the Earth, it cannot sustain nor will it like the constant pressure on it to sustain your stupid gas and electric supply.

Hey I consume just like everybody else, but if the supply was from renewables, then that would be so much better and I would be feeling less guilty that I had just taken from a supply from a planet that we need to start respecting as the human race, and that I have not fed some fat cat that probably does not even live in this country. Also I would feel better knowing my supply of energy didn't cost someone their life in Iraq or another war torn country.

I as you - When the uprising happens in this country, would you protect your property or your family and children first?

Think about that question when you wish to exploit the planet which is quickly being screwed up by human ignorance - your children/grand children are already fecked because of the government and investors unless you are of a privileged few. Why make it worse for them???
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too![/p][/quote]Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only. Alcohol - Taxed Cigarettes - Taxed Flouride - Taxed Paracetamol - Taxed Vaccines - Taxed Cars - Taxed Petrol - Taxed Oil - Taxed Gas - Taxed All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction. Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?[/p][/quote]Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?[/p][/quote]Also... You have a car on your drive yes? Do you think to solve the crisis of cluttered roads that you should hand over your keys just because your car is available. Your logic does not work. You probably do not like welfare being exploited by immigrants - same goes for the Earth, it cannot sustain nor will it like the constant pressure on it to sustain your stupid gas and electric supply. Hey I consume just like everybody else, but if the supply was from renewables, then that would be so much better and I would be feeling less guilty that I had just taken from a supply from a planet that we need to start respecting as the human race, and that I have not fed some fat cat that probably does not even live in this country. Also I would feel better knowing my supply of energy didn't cost someone their life in Iraq or another war torn country. I as you - When the uprising happens in this country, would you protect your property or your family and children first? Think about that question when you wish to exploit the planet which is quickly being screwed up by human ignorance - your children/grand children are already fecked because of the government and investors unless you are of a privileged few. Why make it worse for them??? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -6

4:55pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Wasn't referring to you Beyond, it was another story BWFC71 and some other pro pot person,I was surprised you didn't join in you normally have a view on virtually everything
BTW what happened to your comment on the NHS story?
Wasn't referring to you Beyond, it was another story BWFC71 and some other pro pot person,I was surprised you didn't join in you normally have a view on virtually everything BTW what happened to your comment on the NHS story? Dr Martin
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Tue 14 Jan 14

pecky2k says...

If everyone who comments on the BN stories were to join forces and stand up against the likes of Morris and the other pratts that "run" Bolton our town would be a far better place.
Constant bickering between the same people, place your energy into fighting the root of many problems instead!!
In fact start by approaching your local councillor showing your support for OR against fracking, take it to a public vote and go from there.
If everyone who comments on the BN stories were to join forces and stand up against the likes of Morris and the other pratts that "run" Bolton our town would be a far better place. Constant bickering between the same people, place your energy into fighting the root of many problems instead!! In fact start by approaching your local councillor showing your support for OR against fracking, take it to a public vote and go from there. pecky2k
  • Score: 4

5:46pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Wasn't referring to you Beyond, it was another story BWFC71 and some other pro pot person,I was surprised you didn't join in you normally have a view on virtually everything
BTW what happened to your comment on the NHS story?
I lived just outside Amsterdam for 7 years (only went back over this last weekend to get my old apartment more secure - as it had been broken into - put it on the market and to sort out my tax-return for last year!) but I know the laws over in The Netherlands quite well and how they are changing them and also know that drug crime is actually far lower than what it is in this country and how it is controlled through licences and the amount that can be sold and how much tax is made from weed. In fact, in Amsterdam, they have far more problems with tourists from England who do not know how to control themselves when mixing alcohol and weed - hence why coffee shops are NOT allowed to sell alcohol.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Wasn't referring to you Beyond, it was another story BWFC71 and some other pro pot person,I was surprised you didn't join in you normally have a view on virtually everything BTW what happened to your comment on the NHS story?[/p][/quote]I lived just outside Amsterdam for 7 years (only went back over this last weekend to get my old apartment more secure - as it had been broken into - put it on the market and to sort out my tax-return for last year!) but I know the laws over in The Netherlands quite well and how they are changing them and also know that drug crime is actually far lower than what it is in this country and how it is controlled through licences and the amount that can be sold and how much tax is made from weed. In fact, in Amsterdam, they have far more problems with tourists from England who do not know how to control themselves when mixing alcohol and weed - hence why coffee shops are NOT allowed to sell alcohol. BWFC71
  • Score: 1

7:01pm Tue 14 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only.

Alcohol - Taxed
Cigarettes - Taxed
Flouride - Taxed
Paracetamol - Taxed
Vaccines - Taxed
Cars - Taxed
Petrol - Taxed
Oil - Taxed
Gas - Taxed

All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction.

Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?
Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it

I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening

So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?
the same reasoning the alcohol brigade pay tax on their beer .... if you brew youre own you pay no tax ..... if you buy from shop you pay tax ....tax on weed would be no different than tax on alcohol
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too![/p][/quote]Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only. Alcohol - Taxed Cigarettes - Taxed Flouride - Taxed Paracetamol - Taxed Vaccines - Taxed Cars - Taxed Petrol - Taxed Oil - Taxed Gas - Taxed All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction. Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?[/p][/quote]Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?[/p][/quote]the same reasoning the alcohol brigade pay tax on their beer .... if you brew youre own you pay no tax ..... if you buy from shop you pay tax ....tax on weed would be no different than tax on alcohol lv8151
  • Score: -2

7:25pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only.

Alcohol - Taxed
Cigarettes - Taxed
Flouride - Taxed
Paracetamol - Taxed
Vaccines - Taxed
Cars - Taxed
Petrol - Taxed
Oil - Taxed
Gas - Taxed

All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction.

Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?
Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it

I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening

So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?
the same reasoning the alcohol brigade pay tax on their beer .... if you brew youre own you pay no tax ..... if you buy from shop you pay tax ....tax on weed would be no different than tax on alcohol
So not much tax in the coffers from weed then
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too![/p][/quote]Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only. Alcohol - Taxed Cigarettes - Taxed Flouride - Taxed Paracetamol - Taxed Vaccines - Taxed Cars - Taxed Petrol - Taxed Oil - Taxed Gas - Taxed All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction. Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?[/p][/quote]Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?[/p][/quote]the same reasoning the alcohol brigade pay tax on their beer .... if you brew youre own you pay no tax ..... if you buy from shop you pay tax ....tax on weed would be no different than tax on alcohol[/p][/quote]So not much tax in the coffers from weed then Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

7:35pm Tue 14 Jan 14

aardwolf says...

US natural gas prices are lower than in the mid-2000s.
Gas produced from fracking is in such abundance that the US will egin exporting shortly.
Greenhouse gas emissions from the US are dropping due to the change from coal powered power plants.
Reports about contamination are few and far between - there are 40000+ fracking sites in the US and it would be a miracle if there were no accidents.
Reports about earth tremors are largely fabricated and as strong as a medium sized man jumping up and down.
There are so few issues it is ridiculous that there is this much hysteria about the subject.
Read the genuine science reports NOT the bad science scare mongering from humanities graduates...
US natural gas prices are lower than in the mid-2000s. Gas produced from fracking is in such abundance that the US will egin exporting shortly. Greenhouse gas emissions from the US are dropping due to the change from coal powered power plants. Reports about contamination are few and far between - there are 40000+ fracking sites in the US and it would be a miracle if there were no accidents. Reports about earth tremors are largely fabricated and as strong as a medium sized man jumping up and down. There are so few issues it is ridiculous that there is this much hysteria about the subject. Read the genuine science reports NOT the bad science scare mongering from humanities graduates... aardwolf
  • Score: 3

7:43pm Tue 14 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only.

Alcohol - Taxed
Cigarettes - Taxed
Flouride - Taxed
Paracetamol - Taxed
Vaccines - Taxed
Cars - Taxed
Petrol - Taxed
Oil - Taxed
Gas - Taxed

All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction.

Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?
Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it

I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening

So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?
the same reasoning the alcohol brigade pay tax on their beer .... if you brew youre own you pay no tax ..... if you buy from shop you pay tax ....tax on weed would be no different than tax on alcohol
So not much tax in the coffers from weed then
of course there will be .... what makes you think there wont be ..... its cheaper and tax free to brew your own beer but what minute % of the alcohol market is homebrew .... people find it easier to buy alcohol from shops and that will be the same with weed as is happening all over in the places that are now legalising / de-criminalising it
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too![/p][/quote]Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only. Alcohol - Taxed Cigarettes - Taxed Flouride - Taxed Paracetamol - Taxed Vaccines - Taxed Cars - Taxed Petrol - Taxed Oil - Taxed Gas - Taxed All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction. Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?[/p][/quote]Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?[/p][/quote]the same reasoning the alcohol brigade pay tax on their beer .... if you brew youre own you pay no tax ..... if you buy from shop you pay tax ....tax on weed would be no different than tax on alcohol[/p][/quote]So not much tax in the coffers from weed then[/p][/quote]of course there will be .... what makes you think there wont be ..... its cheaper and tax free to brew your own beer but what minute % of the alcohol market is homebrew .... people find it easier to buy alcohol from shops and that will be the same with weed as is happening all over in the places that are now legalising / de-criminalising it lv8151
  • Score: -2

7:50pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?
So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol? Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

7:52pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

In fact weed is actually illegal in NL, BUT it is tolerated up to so many milligrams, just like growers are only allowed to have 5 plants in any one building.

But it is profitable for the Dutch Government hence their hesitation to increase the laws around weed - although 23 coffee shops will be closing between now and 2016 in the De Wallen area of Amsterdam - because of a close proximity of a school!
In fact weed is actually illegal in NL, BUT it is tolerated up to so many milligrams, just like growers are only allowed to have 5 plants in any one building. But it is profitable for the Dutch Government hence their hesitation to increase the laws around weed - although 23 coffee shops will be closing between now and 2016 in the De Wallen area of Amsterdam - because of a close proximity of a school! BWFC71
  • Score: 1

8:06pm Tue 14 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?
what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?[/p][/quote]what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ? lv8151
  • Score: -1

8:09pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
barry g wrote:
I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.
Me too!
Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only.

Alcohol - Taxed
Cigarettes - Taxed
Flouride - Taxed
Paracetamol - Taxed
Vaccines - Taxed
Cars - Taxed
Petrol - Taxed
Oil - Taxed
Gas - Taxed

All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction.

Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?
Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it

I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening

So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?
Also... You have a car on your drive yes?

Do you think to solve the crisis of cluttered roads that you should hand over your keys just because your car is available.

Your logic does not work. You probably do not like welfare being exploited by immigrants - same goes for the Earth, it cannot sustain nor will it like the constant pressure on it to sustain your stupid gas and electric supply.

Hey I consume just like everybody else, but if the supply was from renewables, then that would be so much better and I would be feeling less guilty that I had just taken from a supply from a planet that we need to start respecting as the human race, and that I have not fed some fat cat that probably does not even live in this country. Also I would feel better knowing my supply of energy didn't cost someone their life in Iraq or another war torn country.

I as you - When the uprising happens in this country, would you protect your property or your family and children first?

Think about that question when you wish to exploit the planet which is quickly being screwed up by human ignorance - your children/grand children are already fecked because of the government and investors unless you are of a privileged few. Why make it worse for them???
Unfortunately we use a lot of non renewable energy and have done so for decades unfortunately we can’t just stop using Gas/Oil etc as do not have enough renewable energy at the moment, so we either build more nuclear power stations or obtain an energy source available in our country
I suppose you would like us to continue paying for the Russian gas and keeping Vladimir sweet and hope he doesn't hold us to ransom
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barry g[/bold] wrote: I'd sooner have frackers here, rather than the weed smoking, unwashed tree huggers.[/p][/quote]Me too![/p][/quote]Oh and BTW, the government could tap into that resource by setting a tax on weed, rather than prohibition for licencing purposes only. Alcohol - Taxed Cigarettes - Taxed Flouride - Taxed Paracetamol - Taxed Vaccines - Taxed Cars - Taxed Petrol - Taxed Oil - Taxed Gas - Taxed All of the above have killed hundreds of millions more than weed via war, pollution, accidents and overdose or allergic reaction. Do you people that argue that shyte myth about weed even have brain cells that are in working order?[/p][/quote]Even if we had solar panels and wind turbines on every house that it will solve our energy shortage, If there is an energy resource available I think we should use it I was hoping for a cannabis debate on another story a few days ago unfortunately the pro pot peeps left after 24 hours of the story opening So Beyond News Forum what makes you think stoners will pay tax on their weed?[/p][/quote]Also... You have a car on your drive yes? Do you think to solve the crisis of cluttered roads that you should hand over your keys just because your car is available. Your logic does not work. You probably do not like welfare being exploited by immigrants - same goes for the Earth, it cannot sustain nor will it like the constant pressure on it to sustain your stupid gas and electric supply. Hey I consume just like everybody else, but if the supply was from renewables, then that would be so much better and I would be feeling less guilty that I had just taken from a supply from a planet that we need to start respecting as the human race, and that I have not fed some fat cat that probably does not even live in this country. Also I would feel better knowing my supply of energy didn't cost someone their life in Iraq or another war torn country. I as you - When the uprising happens in this country, would you protect your property or your family and children first? Think about that question when you wish to exploit the planet which is quickly being screwed up by human ignorance - your children/grand children are already fecked because of the government and investors unless you are of a privileged few. Why make it worse for them???[/p][/quote]Unfortunately we use a lot of non renewable energy and have done so for decades unfortunately we can’t just stop using Gas/Oil etc as do not have enough renewable energy at the moment, so we either build more nuclear power stations or obtain an energy source available in our country I suppose you would like us to continue paying for the Russian gas and keeping Vladimir sweet and hope he doesn't hold us to ransom Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

8:16pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?
what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?
Cannabis damage to a persons mental health is about the same as alcohol
although Alcohol is also dangerous to a persons physical health.
Do I think Alcohol should be more freely available than weed?, obviously not but since alcohol is legal and freely available and gets into the hands of those who shouldn't be drinking it, why would should we have another mind altering drug available to the masses?
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?[/p][/quote]what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?[/p][/quote]Cannabis damage to a persons mental health is about the same as alcohol although Alcohol is also dangerous to a persons physical health. Do I think Alcohol should be more freely available than weed?, obviously not but since alcohol is legal and freely available and gets into the hands of those who shouldn't be drinking it, why would should we have another mind altering drug available to the masses? Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

8:16pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

aardwolf wrote:
US natural gas prices are lower than in the mid-2000s.
Gas produced from fracking is in such abundance that the US will egin exporting shortly.
Greenhouse gas emissions from the US are dropping due to the change from coal powered power plants.
Reports about contamination are few and far between - there are 40000+ fracking sites in the US and it would be a miracle if there were no accidents.
Reports about earth tremors are largely fabricated and as strong as a medium sized man jumping up and down.
There are so few issues it is ridiculous that there is this much hysteria about the subject.
Read the genuine science reports NOT the bad science scare mongering from humanities graduates...
well said
[quote][p][bold]aardwolf[/bold] wrote: US natural gas prices are lower than in the mid-2000s. Gas produced from fracking is in such abundance that the US will egin exporting shortly. Greenhouse gas emissions from the US are dropping due to the change from coal powered power plants. Reports about contamination are few and far between - there are 40000+ fracking sites in the US and it would be a miracle if there were no accidents. Reports about earth tremors are largely fabricated and as strong as a medium sized man jumping up and down. There are so few issues it is ridiculous that there is this much hysteria about the subject. Read the genuine science reports NOT the bad science scare mongering from humanities graduates...[/p][/quote]well said Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

8:34pm Tue 14 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?
what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?
Cannabis damage to a persons mental health is about the same as alcohol
although Alcohol is also dangerous to a persons physical health.
Do I think Alcohol should be more freely available than weed?, obviously not but since alcohol is legal and freely available and gets into the hands of those who shouldn't be drinking it, why would should we have another mind altering drug available to the masses?
weed is already freely available to the masses as if you've not noticed ..... if it was regulated it would be even less harmful because the strength would be regulated and people would know exactly what they are buying .... at the moment with all the weed coming through the black market no-one knows where it was grown, what strength it is, wether it is mainly thc or cbd, and all the money from the drug goes to the unscrupulous dealers instead of topping up the coffers .... not to mention the multi billion £ war on drugs and the amount of police time wasted on trivial possession charges ..... we have to move with the times and weed is not going away .... we have to decide wether to keep wasting money on prohibition or look to the future like is happening all over the world at the moment
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?[/p][/quote]what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?[/p][/quote]Cannabis damage to a persons mental health is about the same as alcohol although Alcohol is also dangerous to a persons physical health. Do I think Alcohol should be more freely available than weed?, obviously not but since alcohol is legal and freely available and gets into the hands of those who shouldn't be drinking it, why would should we have another mind altering drug available to the masses?[/p][/quote]weed is already freely available to the masses as if you've not noticed ..... if it was regulated it would be even less harmful because the strength would be regulated and people would know exactly what they are buying .... at the moment with all the weed coming through the black market no-one knows where it was grown, what strength it is, wether it is mainly thc or cbd, and all the money from the drug goes to the unscrupulous dealers instead of topping up the coffers .... not to mention the multi billion £ war on drugs and the amount of police time wasted on trivial possession charges ..... we have to move with the times and weed is not going away .... we have to decide wether to keep wasting money on prohibition or look to the future like is happening all over the world at the moment lv8151
  • Score: -1

10:30pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Andyroost says...

Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.
Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments. Andyroost
  • Score: -5

8:14am Wed 15 Jan 14

Wigan Trotter says...

Anyone who believes that Fracking will result in lower energy prices is living in cloud cuckoo land as the same was promised when North Sea Gas was introduced and also when Thatcher privatised the energy industry.

The result being all the major energy bodies now being owned by foreigners, profits going to their countries and rip off energy costs to the consumers of our country.

What fracking will mean is massive profits to the foreign companies involved and no difference in energy prices to the consumer.

And when people see towns surrounded by a pods consisting of up to a hundred drills and not just the odd test rig, they will then realise that as usual, they have been led up the garden path by Government.
Anyone who believes that Fracking will result in lower energy prices is living in cloud cuckoo land as the same was promised when North Sea Gas was introduced and also when Thatcher privatised the energy industry. The result being all the major energy bodies now being owned by foreigners, profits going to their countries and rip off energy costs to the consumers of our country. What fracking will mean is massive profits to the foreign companies involved and no difference in energy prices to the consumer. And when people see towns surrounded by a pods consisting of up to a hundred drills and not just the odd test rig, they will then realise that as usual, they have been led up the garden path by Government. Wigan Trotter
  • Score: 1

9:35am Wed 15 Jan 14

freefromfracking! says...

Money should be put into sustainable sources of energy such as wind and water. Shale gas (like coal and oil) is a finite commodity, when it's gone it's gone! Then what? Why risk further disruptions to the delicate natural infrastructure. Have humans not done enough damage to the environment through their greed!
Money should be put into sustainable sources of energy such as wind and water. Shale gas (like coal and oil) is a finite commodity, when it's gone it's gone! Then what? Why risk further disruptions to the delicate natural infrastructure. Have humans not done enough damage to the environment through their greed! freefromfracking!
  • Score: 2

10:29am Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Andyroost wrote:
Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.
What a pathetic post!!!!

Firstly you mention all the Romanians and Bulgarians - where are they, the restrictions have been lifted for over 15 days and not one rush!!!

Secondly, if we don't use the shale gas, as the renewable energies are definitely not sufficient enough to take over full time from the finite resources, how are you going to cope with no power.

Thirdly just think of the job opportunities it brings to this country - more jobs, less unemployed, more taxes being paid, more NI being paid, less unemployed, less being wasted in benefits and a better healthcare system!!!!

Fourthly more training for the industry which means more engineers, more geological jobs etc etc etc

How ignorant can one small post be - very by the looks of it!
[quote][p][bold]Andyroost[/bold] wrote: Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.[/p][/quote]What a pathetic post!!!! Firstly you mention all the Romanians and Bulgarians - where are they, the restrictions have been lifted for over 15 days and not one rush!!! Secondly, if we don't use the shale gas, as the renewable energies are definitely not sufficient enough to take over full time from the finite resources, how are you going to cope with no power. Thirdly just think of the job opportunities it brings to this country - more jobs, less unemployed, more taxes being paid, more NI being paid, less unemployed, less being wasted in benefits and a better healthcare system!!!! Fourthly more training for the industry which means more engineers, more geological jobs etc etc etc How ignorant can one small post be - very by the looks of it! BWFC71
  • Score: 7

4:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

If Cllr Cliff W4nk3r Morris has his way then we'll all be doooooooomed
If Cllr Cliff W4nk3r Morris has his way then we'll all be doooooooomed FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: -5

5:49pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?
what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?
Cannabis damage to a persons mental health is about the same as alcohol
although Alcohol is also dangerous to a persons physical health.
Do I think Alcohol should be more freely available than weed?, obviously not but since alcohol is legal and freely available and gets into the hands of those who shouldn't be drinking it, why would should we have another mind altering drug available to the masses?
weed is already freely available to the masses as if you've not noticed ..... if it was regulated it would be even less harmful because the strength would be regulated and people would know exactly what they are buying .... at the moment with all the weed coming through the black market no-one knows where it was grown, what strength it is, wether it is mainly thc or cbd, and all the money from the drug goes to the unscrupulous dealers instead of topping up the coffers .... not to mention the multi billion £ war on drugs and the amount of police time wasted on trivial possession charges ..... we have to move with the times and weed is not going away .... we have to decide wether to keep wasting money on prohibition or look to the future like is happening all over the world at the moment
Firstly I don’t consider 2.5million pot heads the masses, so you plan to regulate it, to what extent? Same as alcohol or more tightly controlled? As you say cannabis is freely available why would you want to pay tax on it, how are the police going to prevent illegal cannabis factories in the future if they cant do that now
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?[/p][/quote]what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?[/p][/quote]Cannabis damage to a persons mental health is about the same as alcohol although Alcohol is also dangerous to a persons physical health. Do I think Alcohol should be more freely available than weed?, obviously not but since alcohol is legal and freely available and gets into the hands of those who shouldn't be drinking it, why would should we have another mind altering drug available to the masses?[/p][/quote]weed is already freely available to the masses as if you've not noticed ..... if it was regulated it would be even less harmful because the strength would be regulated and people would know exactly what they are buying .... at the moment with all the weed coming through the black market no-one knows where it was grown, what strength it is, wether it is mainly thc or cbd, and all the money from the drug goes to the unscrupulous dealers instead of topping up the coffers .... not to mention the multi billion £ war on drugs and the amount of police time wasted on trivial possession charges ..... we have to move with the times and weed is not going away .... we have to decide wether to keep wasting money on prohibition or look to the future like is happening all over the world at the moment[/p][/quote]Firstly I don’t consider 2.5million pot heads the masses, so you plan to regulate it, to what extent? Same as alcohol or more tightly controlled? As you say cannabis is freely available why would you want to pay tax on it, how are the police going to prevent illegal cannabis factories in the future if they cant do that now Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?
what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?
Cannabis damage to a persons mental health is about the same as alcohol
although Alcohol is also dangerous to a persons physical health.
Do I think Alcohol should be more freely available than weed?, obviously not but since alcohol is legal and freely available and gets into the hands of those who shouldn't be drinking it, why would should we have another mind altering drug available to the masses?
weed is already freely available to the masses as if you've not noticed ..... if it was regulated it would be even less harmful because the strength would be regulated and people would know exactly what they are buying .... at the moment with all the weed coming through the black market no-one knows where it was grown, what strength it is, wether it is mainly thc or cbd, and all the money from the drug goes to the unscrupulous dealers instead of topping up the coffers .... not to mention the multi billion £ war on drugs and the amount of police time wasted on trivial possession charges ..... we have to move with the times and weed is not going away .... we have to decide wether to keep wasting money on prohibition or look to the future like is happening all over the world at the moment
Firstly I don’t consider 2.5million pot heads the masses, so you plan to regulate it, to what extent? Same as alcohol or more tightly controlled? As you say cannabis is freely available why would you want to pay tax on it, how are the police going to prevent illegal cannabis factories in the future if they cant do that now
first of all where do you get the figure 2.5 million cannabis users from .... and as i already said homebrew is freely available but the majority of p155 heads still choose to buy at the shop so paying tax ..... during alcohol prohibition there was lots of illegal alcohol making going on just as there is now with growrooms ...... how many illegal breweries do you see or hear about nowadays .... virtually none ..... so what makes you think it would not work the same for weed ..... obviously with 2.5 million users (your figures) the current laws are not working and all the weed is grown by black market growers with no quality control .... how would you suggest getting around this problem
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: So you propose weed to be freely available as alcohol?[/p][/quote]what makes you think i propose that ..... do you think it's right that alcohol which is more damaging to peoples health and mind should be more freely available than weed, considering that weed has upto now never directly caused any deaths ?[/p][/quote]Cannabis damage to a persons mental health is about the same as alcohol although Alcohol is also dangerous to a persons physical health. Do I think Alcohol should be more freely available than weed?, obviously not but since alcohol is legal and freely available and gets into the hands of those who shouldn't be drinking it, why would should we have another mind altering drug available to the masses?[/p][/quote]weed is already freely available to the masses as if you've not noticed ..... if it was regulated it would be even less harmful because the strength would be regulated and people would know exactly what they are buying .... at the moment with all the weed coming through the black market no-one knows where it was grown, what strength it is, wether it is mainly thc or cbd, and all the money from the drug goes to the unscrupulous dealers instead of topping up the coffers .... not to mention the multi billion £ war on drugs and the amount of police time wasted on trivial possession charges ..... we have to move with the times and weed is not going away .... we have to decide wether to keep wasting money on prohibition or look to the future like is happening all over the world at the moment[/p][/quote]Firstly I don’t consider 2.5million pot heads the masses, so you plan to regulate it, to what extent? Same as alcohol or more tightly controlled? As you say cannabis is freely available why would you want to pay tax on it, how are the police going to prevent illegal cannabis factories in the future if they cant do that now[/p][/quote]first of all where do you get the figure 2.5 million cannabis users from .... and as i already said homebrew is freely available but the majority of p155 heads still choose to buy at the shop so paying tax ..... during alcohol prohibition there was lots of illegal alcohol making going on just as there is now with growrooms ...... how many illegal breweries do you see or hear about nowadays .... virtually none ..... so what makes you think it would not work the same for weed ..... obviously with 2.5 million users (your figures) the current laws are not working and all the weed is grown by black market growers with no quality control .... how would you suggest getting around this problem lv8151
  • Score: -2

6:32pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Brumas says...

Common sense gone through the window on this topic, please cease.
The Flat Earth society members are commenting.
Common sense gone through the window on this topic, please cease. The Flat Earth society members are commenting. Brumas
  • Score: 1

7:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/life-style/
health-and-families/
health-news/is-this-
the-tobacco-moment-f
or-cannabis-8349054.
html
Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users
Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax
I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing
To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.
http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about. Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

11:56pm Wed 15 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/life-style/

health-and-families/

health-news/is-this-

the-tobacco-moment-f

or-cannabis-8349054.

html
Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users
Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax
I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing
To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.
as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine ....

it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing
http://www.politics.
co.uk/news/2009/4/7/
the-cost-of-drug-law
s-16-billion
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.[/p][/quote]as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion lv8151
  • Score: -2

7:20am Thu 16 Jan 14

Wigan Trotter says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Andyroost wrote:
Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.
What a pathetic post!!!!

Firstly you mention all the Romanians and Bulgarians - where are they, the restrictions have been lifted for over 15 days and not one rush!!!

Secondly, if we don't use the shale gas, as the renewable energies are definitely not sufficient enough to take over full time from the finite resources, how are you going to cope with no power.

Thirdly just think of the job opportunities it brings to this country - more jobs, less unemployed, more taxes being paid, more NI being paid, less unemployed, less being wasted in benefits and a better healthcare system!!!!

Fourthly more training for the industry which means more engineers, more geological jobs etc etc etc

How ignorant can one small post be - very by the looks of it!
Perhaps if they stopped immigration which is leading to a ever increasing population which our country cannot sustain, the need for new sources of energy would not be so desperate?

As for the comment about having no power, why allow a situation of overcrowding the country which will make things worse as a result of more people using more energy?

Some people need to think before they shout!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andyroost[/bold] wrote: Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.[/p][/quote]What a pathetic post!!!! Firstly you mention all the Romanians and Bulgarians - where are they, the restrictions have been lifted for over 15 days and not one rush!!! Secondly, if we don't use the shale gas, as the renewable energies are definitely not sufficient enough to take over full time from the finite resources, how are you going to cope with no power. Thirdly just think of the job opportunities it brings to this country - more jobs, less unemployed, more taxes being paid, more NI being paid, less unemployed, less being wasted in benefits and a better healthcare system!!!! Fourthly more training for the industry which means more engineers, more geological jobs etc etc etc How ignorant can one small post be - very by the looks of it![/p][/quote]Perhaps if they stopped immigration which is leading to a ever increasing population which our country cannot sustain, the need for new sources of energy would not be so desperate? As for the comment about having no power, why allow a situation of overcrowding the country which will make things worse as a result of more people using more energy? Some people need to think before they shout! Wigan Trotter
  • Score: 0

10:18am Thu 16 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.
as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion
Well if you dabble in an illicit drug and the police catch you have yourself to blame, not as though police are after someone smoking a bit of weed at home unless you are dealing as well

As for the transform report, luckily for you I am unable to find an alternative figure but if the total combined budgets of the police and mental health services (£10bn each at around 2009/10) the £16bn seems very high but I suppose if you are a charity hat is pro legalising of illicit drugs then I suppose “higher” the better.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.[/p][/quote]as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion[/p][/quote]Well if you dabble in an illicit drug and the police catch you have yourself to blame, not as though police are after someone smoking a bit of weed at home unless you are dealing as well As for the transform report, luckily for you I am unable to find an alternative figure but if the total combined budgets of the police and mental health services (£10bn each at around 2009/10) the £16bn seems very high but I suppose if you are a charity hat is pro legalising of illicit drugs then I suppose “higher” the better. Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

10:32am Thu 16 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

**that
**that Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Thu 16 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.
as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion
Well if you dabble in an illicit drug and the police catch you have yourself to blame, not as though police are after someone smoking a bit of weed at home unless you are dealing as well

As for the transform report, luckily for you I am unable to find an alternative figure but if the total combined budgets of the police and mental health services (£10bn each at around 2009/10) the £16bn seems very high but I suppose if you are a charity hat is pro legalising of illicit drugs then I suppose “higher” the better.
i had the same thought on your 2.3 million users ..... i think that figure is purposely small to make it look like there are not as many users and the war on drugs is working.... i think that figure is probably how many people admit to using cannabis but we all know many users especially users who work in professions where they cannot admit to using through threat of losing their job .... i personally know people that use cannabis but would never admit it and i bet you do aswell
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.[/p][/quote]as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion[/p][/quote]Well if you dabble in an illicit drug and the police catch you have yourself to blame, not as though police are after someone smoking a bit of weed at home unless you are dealing as well As for the transform report, luckily for you I am unable to find an alternative figure but if the total combined budgets of the police and mental health services (£10bn each at around 2009/10) the £16bn seems very high but I suppose if you are a charity hat is pro legalising of illicit drugs then I suppose “higher” the better.[/p][/quote]i had the same thought on your 2.3 million users ..... i think that figure is purposely small to make it look like there are not as many users and the war on drugs is working.... i think that figure is probably how many people admit to using cannabis but we all know many users especially users who work in professions where they cannot admit to using through threat of losing their job .... i personally know people that use cannabis but would never admit it and i bet you do aswell lv8151
  • Score: -1

4:13pm Thu 16 Jan 14

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Andyroost wrote:
Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.
What a pathetic post!!!!

Firstly you mention all the Romanians and Bulgarians - where are they, the restrictions have been lifted for over 15 days and not one rush!!!

Secondly, if we don't use the shale gas, as the renewable energies are definitely not sufficient enough to take over full time from the finite resources, how are you going to cope with no power.

Thirdly just think of the job opportunities it brings to this country - more jobs, less unemployed, more taxes being paid, more NI being paid, less unemployed, less being wasted in benefits and a better healthcare system!!!!

Fourthly more training for the industry which means more engineers, more geological jobs etc etc etc

How ignorant can one small post be - very by the looks of it!
It's still better tha any of yours, and can you clarify that you are a christian then ?, only you seem to keep changing your mind.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andyroost[/bold] wrote: Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.[/p][/quote]What a pathetic post!!!! Firstly you mention all the Romanians and Bulgarians - where are they, the restrictions have been lifted for over 15 days and not one rush!!! Secondly, if we don't use the shale gas, as the renewable energies are definitely not sufficient enough to take over full time from the finite resources, how are you going to cope with no power. Thirdly just think of the job opportunities it brings to this country - more jobs, less unemployed, more taxes being paid, more NI being paid, less unemployed, less being wasted in benefits and a better healthcare system!!!! Fourthly more training for the industry which means more engineers, more geological jobs etc etc etc How ignorant can one small post be - very by the looks of it![/p][/quote]It's still better tha any of yours, and can you clarify that you are a christian then ?, only you seem to keep changing your mind. George X
  • Score: -2

5:36pm Thu 16 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Andyroost wrote:
Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.
What a pathetic post!!!!

Firstly you mention all the Romanians and Bulgarians - where are they, the restrictions have been lifted for over 15 days and not one rush!!!

Secondly, if we don't use the shale gas, as the renewable energies are definitely not sufficient enough to take over full time from the finite resources, how are you going to cope with no power.

Thirdly just think of the job opportunities it brings to this country - more jobs, less unemployed, more taxes being paid, more NI being paid, less unemployed, less being wasted in benefits and a better healthcare system!!!!

Fourthly more training for the industry which means more engineers, more geological jobs etc etc etc

How ignorant can one small post be - very by the looks of it!
It's still better tha any of yours, and can you clarify that you are a christian then ?, only you seem to keep changing your mind.
Georgina X

I have two words for you!!!

Second one is off!

I have never changed my mind as I have ALWAYS stated I am a Roman Catholic (a minority in the UK and actually by law I should be hung for being a RC). But if you want to believe your imbecilic cohorts then it is not my problem that you are an utter tw - ignoramus! And know sweet FA
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andyroost[/bold] wrote: Take your Fracking and Frack off to Rumania and Bulgaria, then there will be jobs and money for all the gold benefit diggers so they can stay where they are, our country is full. All in favour post your comments.[/p][/quote]What a pathetic post!!!! Firstly you mention all the Romanians and Bulgarians - where are they, the restrictions have been lifted for over 15 days and not one rush!!! Secondly, if we don't use the shale gas, as the renewable energies are definitely not sufficient enough to take over full time from the finite resources, how are you going to cope with no power. Thirdly just think of the job opportunities it brings to this country - more jobs, less unemployed, more taxes being paid, more NI being paid, less unemployed, less being wasted in benefits and a better healthcare system!!!! Fourthly more training for the industry which means more engineers, more geological jobs etc etc etc How ignorant can one small post be - very by the looks of it![/p][/quote]It's still better tha any of yours, and can you clarify that you are a christian then ?, only you seem to keep changing your mind.[/p][/quote]Georgina X I have two words for you!!! Second one is off! I have never changed my mind as I have ALWAYS stated I am a Roman Catholic (a minority in the UK and actually by law I should be hung for being a RC). But if you want to believe your imbecilic cohorts then it is not my problem that you are an utter tw - ignoramus! And know sweet FA BWFC71
  • Score: 1

7:07pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.
as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion
Well if you dabble in an illicit drug and the police catch you have yourself to blame, not as though police are after someone smoking a bit of weed at home unless you are dealing as well

As for the transform report, luckily for you I am unable to find an alternative figure but if the total combined budgets of the police and mental health services (£10bn each at around 2009/10) the £16bn seems very high but I suppose if you are a charity hat is pro legalising of illicit drugs then I suppose “higher” the better.
i had the same thought on your 2.3 million users ..... i think that figure is purposely small to make it look like there are not as many users and the war on drugs is working.... i think that figure is probably how many people admit to using cannabis but we all know many users especially users who work in professions where they cannot admit to using through threat of losing their job .... i personally know people that use cannabis but would never admit it and i bet you do aswell
Whilst my figures will not include every pot smoker as many people will not be so open about smoking an illicit substance it is a good as benchmark as there is, and the European school surveys also point to a decline in cannabis use
http://www.cph.org.u
k/wp-content/uploads
/2012/08/substance-u
se-among-15-16-year-
olds-in-the-uk.pdf

And the 15-34 survey also points to a decline in cannabis use

http://www.emcdda.eu
ropa.eu/online/annua
l-report/2011/librar
y/fig5
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.[/p][/quote]as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion[/p][/quote]Well if you dabble in an illicit drug and the police catch you have yourself to blame, not as though police are after someone smoking a bit of weed at home unless you are dealing as well As for the transform report, luckily for you I am unable to find an alternative figure but if the total combined budgets of the police and mental health services (£10bn each at around 2009/10) the £16bn seems very high but I suppose if you are a charity hat is pro legalising of illicit drugs then I suppose “higher” the better.[/p][/quote]i had the same thought on your 2.3 million users ..... i think that figure is purposely small to make it look like there are not as many users and the war on drugs is working.... i think that figure is probably how many people admit to using cannabis but we all know many users especially users who work in professions where they cannot admit to using through threat of losing their job .... i personally know people that use cannabis but would never admit it and i bet you do aswell[/p][/quote]Whilst my figures will not include every pot smoker as many people will not be so open about smoking an illicit substance it is a good as benchmark as there is, and the European school surveys also point to a decline in cannabis use http://www.cph.org.u k/wp-content/uploads /2012/08/substance-u se-among-15-16-year- olds-in-the-uk.pdf And the 15-34 survey also points to a decline in cannabis use http://www.emcdda.eu ropa.eu/online/annua l-report/2011/librar y/fig5 Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Thu 16 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.
as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion
Well if you dabble in an illicit drug and the police catch you have yourself to blame, not as though police are after someone smoking a bit of weed at home unless you are dealing as well

As for the transform report, luckily for you I am unable to find an alternative figure but if the total combined budgets of the police and mental health services (£10bn each at around 2009/10) the £16bn seems very high but I suppose if you are a charity hat is pro legalising of illicit drugs then I suppose “higher” the better.
i had the same thought on your 2.3 million users ..... i think that figure is purposely small to make it look like there are not as many users and the war on drugs is working.... i think that figure is probably how many people admit to using cannabis but we all know many users especially users who work in professions where they cannot admit to using through threat of losing their job .... i personally know people that use cannabis but would never admit it and i bet you do aswell
Whilst my figures will not include every pot smoker as many people will not be so open about smoking an illicit substance it is a good as benchmark as there is, and the European school surveys also point to a decline in cannabis use
http://www.cph.org.u

k/wp-content/uploads

/2012/08/substance-u

se-among-15-16-year-

olds-in-the-uk.pdf

And the 15-34 survey also points to a decline in cannabis use

http://www.emcdda.eu

ropa.eu/online/annua

l-report/2011/librar

y/fig5
this is where i get confused on the discussion ..... if more European countries are decriminalizing the use of weed and the amount of people using the substance in European countries is going down, is that surely not an argument in favor of the decriminalization of weed ?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Give a figure of 2.3 million cannabis users Not necessarily homebrew but the alcohol that has not been taxed this is estimated to be over £1 billion in lost tax I would believe the current laws are working, illicit drug usage is either falling or stabilising and has done for many years (except methadone and powder cocaine) and the N.T.A reporting a drop in heroin and crack users which can only be a good thing To be perfectly honest if you choose to use illicit substances quality control should be your concern, not for me to worry about.[/p][/quote]as for the laws working!!!!! .... thats laughable .... all it is doing is making criminals of people caught in possession of a drug less harmfull than alcohol .... do you think it's right that after a days work people cant just go home and chill with a smoke or two just like people do by having a glass of wine .... it costs the uk tax payers £16,000,000,000 (billion that is) a year to fight the war on drugs money well spent i suppose you think ..... like i said the war on drugs is failing http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2009/4/7/ the-cost-of-drug-law s-16-billion[/p][/quote]Well if you dabble in an illicit drug and the police catch you have yourself to blame, not as though police are after someone smoking a bit of weed at home unless you are dealing as well As for the transform report, luckily for you I am unable to find an alternative figure but if the total combined budgets of the police and mental health services (£10bn each at around 2009/10) the £16bn seems very high but I suppose if you are a charity hat is pro legalising of illicit drugs then I suppose “higher” the better.[/p][/quote]i had the same thought on your 2.3 million users ..... i think that figure is purposely small to make it look like there are not as many users and the war on drugs is working.... i think that figure is probably how many people admit to using cannabis but we all know many users especially users who work in professions where they cannot admit to using through threat of losing their job .... i personally know people that use cannabis but would never admit it and i bet you do aswell[/p][/quote]Whilst my figures will not include every pot smoker as many people will not be so open about smoking an illicit substance it is a good as benchmark as there is, and the European school surveys also point to a decline in cannabis use http://www.cph.org.u k/wp-content/uploads /2012/08/substance-u se-among-15-16-year- olds-in-the-uk.pdf And the 15-34 survey also points to a decline in cannabis use http://www.emcdda.eu ropa.eu/online/annua l-report/2011/librar y/fig5[/p][/quote]this is where i get confused on the discussion ..... if more European countries are decriminalizing the use of weed and the amount of people using the substance in European countries is going down, is that surely not an argument in favor of the decriminalization of weed ? lv8151
  • Score: -1

8:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

9:22pm Thu 16 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org
/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO
N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm
l
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l lv8151
  • Score: -2

8:51am Fri 17 Jan 14

Wigan Trotter says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org

/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO

N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm

l
But people in other European countries are not as stupid when it comes to the use of drugs and alcohol.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]But people in other European countries are not as stupid when it comes to the use of drugs and alcohol. Wigan Trotter
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org

/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO

N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm

l
Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Legality_of
_cannabis_by_country
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Legality_of _cannabis_by_country Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

3:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org


/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO


N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm


l
Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Legality_of

_cannabis_by_country
youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/blogs-news-fro
m-elsewhere-25154209


just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again

http://rt.com/news/m
arijuana-berlin-shop
-opens-462/
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Legality_of _cannabis_by_country[/p][/quote]youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/blogs-news-fro m-elsewhere-25154209 just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again http://rt.com/news/m arijuana-berlin-shop -opens-462/ lv8151
  • Score: -1

3:37pm Fri 17 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org



/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO



N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm



l
Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website
http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/Legality_of


_cannabis_by_country
youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/blogs-news-fro

m-elsewhere-25154209



just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again

http://rt.com/news/m

arijuana-berlin-shop

-opens-462/
and whilst your at it with source material .... the piece by patrick cockburn who writes for the independant you seem to totally believe what he says enough to publish the link ...... it seems to me you would rather believe what a Middle East correspondent (with no medical background) has to say rather than experts in the field wether they work towards anti or pro weed
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Legality_of _cannabis_by_country[/p][/quote]youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/blogs-news-fro m-elsewhere-25154209 just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again http://rt.com/news/m arijuana-berlin-shop -opens-462/[/p][/quote]and whilst your at it with source material .... the piece by patrick cockburn who writes for the independant you seem to totally believe what he says enough to publish the link ...... it seems to me you would rather believe what a Middle East correspondent (with no medical background) has to say rather than experts in the field wether they work towards anti or pro weed lv8151
  • Score: -1

3:48pm Fri 17 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

lv8151 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org




/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO




N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm




l
Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website
http://en.wikipedia.



org/wiki/Legality_of



_cannabis_by_country
youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/blogs-news-fro


m-elsewhere-25154209




just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again

http://rt.com/news/m


arijuana-berlin-shop


-opens-462/
and whilst your at it with source material .... the piece by patrick cockburn who writes for the independant you seem to totally believe what he says enough to publish the link ...... it seems to me you would rather believe what a Middle East correspondent (with no medical background) has to say rather than experts in the field wether they work towards anti or pro weed
it seems poland needs updating on wiki aswell

http://sensiseeds.co
m/en/blog/poland-dec
riminalizes-possessi
on-of-small-amounts-
of-cannabis/
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Legality_of _cannabis_by_country[/p][/quote]youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/blogs-news-fro m-elsewhere-25154209 just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again http://rt.com/news/m arijuana-berlin-shop -opens-462/[/p][/quote]and whilst your at it with source material .... the piece by patrick cockburn who writes for the independant you seem to totally believe what he says enough to publish the link ...... it seems to me you would rather believe what a Middle East correspondent (with no medical background) has to say rather than experts in the field wether they work towards anti or pro weed[/p][/quote]it seems poland needs updating on wiki aswell http://sensiseeds.co m/en/blog/poland-dec riminalizes-possessi on-of-small-amounts- of-cannabis/ lv8151
  • Score: -1

3:52pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org



/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO



N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm



l
Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website
http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/Legality_of


_cannabis_by_country
youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/blogs-news-fro

m-elsewhere-25154209



just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again

http://rt.com/news/m

arijuana-berlin-shop

-opens-462/
Well your http://www.encod.org map originates from Wikipedia itself (look at title above the map) so you mock me for something you are doing yourself!, if click on the that link “Map on Cannabis Laws in Europe (Wikipedia)” it looks like a link to a German Wikipedia webpage which tells you about the map itself and it will tell you how old it is? (It’s a bit old)
Ah yes Berlin one city in Germany, one city…….
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Legality_of _cannabis_by_country[/p][/quote]youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/blogs-news-fro m-elsewhere-25154209 just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again http://rt.com/news/m arijuana-berlin-shop -opens-462/[/p][/quote]Well your http://www.encod.org map originates from Wikipedia itself (look at title above the map) so you mock me for something you are doing yourself!, if click on the that link “Map on Cannabis Laws in Europe (Wikipedia)” it looks like a link to a German Wikipedia webpage which tells you about the map itself and it will tell you how old it is? (It’s a bit old) Ah yes Berlin one city in Germany, one city……. Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Fri 17 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org




/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO




N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm




l
Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website
http://en.wikipedia.



org/wiki/Legality_of



_cannabis_by_country
youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/blogs-news-fro


m-elsewhere-25154209




just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again

http://rt.com/news/m


arijuana-berlin-shop


-opens-462/
Well your http://www.encod.org map originates from Wikipedia itself (look at title above the map) so you mock me for something you are doing yourself!, if click on the that link “Map on Cannabis Laws in Europe (Wikipedia)” it looks like a link to a German Wikipedia webpage which tells you about the map itself and it will tell you how old it is? (It’s a bit old)
Ah yes Berlin one city in Germany, one city…….
Berlin not 1 city ....Berlin THE 1st CITY .... it always starts with the 1st and when they realise how good it works it soon spreads ...... uruguay done it .... switzerland done it .... netherlands done it .... belgium done it .... croatia done it .... czech republic done it .... estonia done it ... italy done it .... do i really need to name them all
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Legality_of _cannabis_by_country[/p][/quote]youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/blogs-news-fro m-elsewhere-25154209 just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again http://rt.com/news/m arijuana-berlin-shop -opens-462/[/p][/quote]Well your http://www.encod.org map originates from Wikipedia itself (look at title above the map) so you mock me for something you are doing yourself!, if click on the that link “Map on Cannabis Laws in Europe (Wikipedia)” it looks like a link to a German Wikipedia webpage which tells you about the map itself and it will tell you how old it is? (It’s a bit old) Ah yes Berlin one city in Germany, one city…….[/p][/quote]Berlin not 1 city ....Berlin THE 1st CITY .... it always starts with the 1st and when they realise how good it works it soon spreads ...... uruguay done it .... switzerland done it .... netherlands done it .... belgium done it .... croatia done it .... czech republic done it .... estonia done it ... italy done it .... do i really need to name them all lv8151
  • Score: 0

4:33pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it?
Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country
not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it? Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Fri 17 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it?
Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country
lol .... i'm bored of this now Dr Martin .... lol .... Martin clunes played Dr Martin .... maybe you should watch an early film of his called "Saving Grace" .... you may enjoy it .... guess what its about
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it? Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country[/p][/quote]lol .... i'm bored of this now Dr Martin .... lol .... Martin clunes played Dr Martin .... maybe you should watch an early film of his called "Saving Grace" .... you may enjoy it .... guess what its about lv8151
  • Score: 0

4:53pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

""it always starts with the 1st""

as opposed to what?
""it always starts with the 1st"" as opposed to what? Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it?
Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country
lol .... i'm bored of this now Dr Martin .... lol .... Martin clunes played Dr Martin .... maybe you should watch an early film of his called "Saving Grace" .... you may enjoy it .... guess what its about
Stoners never have the stamina
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it? Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country[/p][/quote]lol .... i'm bored of this now Dr Martin .... lol .... Martin clunes played Dr Martin .... maybe you should watch an early film of his called "Saving Grace" .... you may enjoy it .... guess what its about[/p][/quote]Stoners never have the stamina Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Fri 17 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it?
Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country
lol .... i'm bored of this now Dr Martin .... lol .... Martin clunes played Dr Martin .... maybe you should watch an early film of his called "Saving Grace" .... you may enjoy it .... guess what its about
Stoners never have the stamina
nah .... stoners get bored of talking to people that know nothing about the subject .... normally when i chat i look forward to learning things from others .... that is where this conversation gets boring for me .... you have nothing to teach .... dont forget to watch "Saving Grace"
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it? Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country[/p][/quote]lol .... i'm bored of this now Dr Martin .... lol .... Martin clunes played Dr Martin .... maybe you should watch an early film of his called "Saving Grace" .... you may enjoy it .... guess what its about[/p][/quote]Stoners never have the stamina[/p][/quote]nah .... stoners get bored of talking to people that know nothing about the subject .... normally when i chat i look forward to learning things from others .... that is where this conversation gets boring for me .... you have nothing to teach .... dont forget to watch "Saving Grace" lv8151
  • Score: 0

5:08pm Fri 17 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it?
Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country
lol .... i'm bored of this now Dr Martin .... lol .... Martin clunes played Dr Martin .... maybe you should watch an early film of his called "Saving Grace" .... you may enjoy it .... guess what its about
Stoners never have the stamina
nah .... stoners get bored of talking to people that know nothing about the subject .... normally when i chat i look forward to learning things from others .... that is where this conversation gets boring for me .... you have nothing to teach .... dont forget to watch "Saving Grace"
and just to add .... i not smoked weed for over 5 years .... not through choice but if i get tested and fail i would lose my job ..... thats where it is wrong
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: not all the same cannabis laws for these countries is it? Berlin is still one city, doesn't make a country[/p][/quote]lol .... i'm bored of this now Dr Martin .... lol .... Martin clunes played Dr Martin .... maybe you should watch an early film of his called "Saving Grace" .... you may enjoy it .... guess what its about[/p][/quote]Stoners never have the stamina[/p][/quote]nah .... stoners get bored of talking to people that know nothing about the subject .... normally when i chat i look forward to learning things from others .... that is where this conversation gets boring for me .... you have nothing to teach .... dont forget to watch "Saving Grace"[/p][/quote]and just to add .... i not smoked weed for over 5 years .... not through choice but if i get tested and fail i would lose my job ..... thats where it is wrong lv8151
  • Score: 0

5:10pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Still lv8151 you have lasted the longest, It's just a pity your colleagues couldn't stay longer especially Beyond the news forum who normally has something to say any any given topic on this website
Still lv8151 you have lasted the longest, It's just a pity your colleagues couldn't stay longer especially Beyond the news forum who normally has something to say any any given topic on this website Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Sexybum123 says...

Well I know a good place they could use F R A C K freedman of and let them use reebox after today's day of shame
Well I know a good place they could use F R A C K freedman of and let them use reebox after today's day of shame Sexybum123
  • Score: 2

7:11am Sun 19 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

lv8151 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org




/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO




N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm




l
Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website
http://en.wikipedia.



org/wiki/Legality_of



_cannabis_by_country
youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/blogs-news-fro


m-elsewhere-25154209




just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again

http://rt.com/news/m


arijuana-berlin-shop


-opens-462/
and whilst your at it with source material .... the piece by patrick cockburn who writes for the independant you seem to totally believe what he says enough to publish the link ...... it seems to me you would rather believe what a Middle East correspondent (with no medical background) has to say rather than experts in the field wether they work towards anti or pro weed
Unfortunately you do not have to be an expert to see the harm prolonged and probably heavy cannabis usage does to someone you know.
Unfortunately there are probably lot more like him probably unaware of the harm their drug taking is doing to their minds
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Legality_of _cannabis_by_country[/p][/quote]youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/blogs-news-fro m-elsewhere-25154209 just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again http://rt.com/news/m arijuana-berlin-shop -opens-462/[/p][/quote]and whilst your at it with source material .... the piece by patrick cockburn who writes for the independant you seem to totally believe what he says enough to publish the link ...... it seems to me you would rather believe what a Middle East correspondent (with no medical background) has to say rather than experts in the field wether they work towards anti or pro weed[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you do not have to be an expert to see the harm prolonged and probably heavy cannabis usage does to someone you know. Unfortunately there are probably lot more like him probably unaware of the harm their drug taking is doing to their minds Dr Martin
  • Score: -1

7:43pm Sun 19 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation
most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping

http://www.encod.org





/info/LEGAL-SITUATIO





N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm





l
Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website
http://en.wikipedia.




org/wiki/Legality_of




_cannabis_by_country
youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source

http://www.bbc.co.uk



/news/blogs-news-fro



m-elsewhere-25154209





just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again

http://rt.com/news/m



arijuana-berlin-shop



-opens-462/
and whilst your at it with source material .... the piece by patrick cockburn who writes for the independant you seem to totally believe what he says enough to publish the link ...... it seems to me you would rather believe what a Middle East correspondent (with no medical background) has to say rather than experts in the field wether they work towards anti or pro weed
Unfortunately you do not have to be an expert to see the harm prolonged and probably heavy cannabis usage does to someone you know.
Unfortunately there are probably lot more like him probably unaware of the harm their drug taking is doing to their minds
you sound as though you're speaking through experience ... if not ... where have you learnt all this knowledge and please don't say through reading the independent .... and nice use of the word "probably"
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Most European countries have similar laws to UK and cannabis use is falling surely a good argument against decriminalisation[/p][/quote]most european countries .... check this map out .... its not illegal in a lot of europe and the usage still dropping http://www.encod.org /info/LEGAL-SITUATIO N-OF-CANNABIS-IN.htm l[/p][/quote]Would prefer to use source material not some green headed pro pot website http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Legality_of _cannabis_by_country[/p][/quote]youre having a laugh ... wikipedia .... this next link will show you that wiki is wrong about germany and that was the 1st one i checked ...... you need to update your info source http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/blogs-news-fro m-elsewhere-25154209 just incase you think bbc is wrong here it is again http://rt.com/news/m arijuana-berlin-shop -opens-462/[/p][/quote]and whilst your at it with source material .... the piece by patrick cockburn who writes for the independant you seem to totally believe what he says enough to publish the link ...... it seems to me you would rather believe what a Middle East correspondent (with no medical background) has to say rather than experts in the field wether they work towards anti or pro weed[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you do not have to be an expert to see the harm prolonged and probably heavy cannabis usage does to someone you know. Unfortunately there are probably lot more like him probably unaware of the harm their drug taking is doing to their minds[/p][/quote]you sound as though you're speaking through experience ... if not ... where have you learnt all this knowledge and please don't say through reading the independent .... and nice use of the word "probably" lv8151
  • Score: -1

8:45pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

10 Years in Adult mental health, intensive care, low secure and medium secure, plenty of victims of your wonderful herb maybe not the prime reason or or the causality of their mental illness but cannabis plays a part in many of their illnesses and it most definitively not a positive factor
10 Years in Adult mental health, intensive care, low secure and medium secure, plenty of victims of your wonderful herb maybe not the prime reason or or the causality of their mental illness but cannabis plays a part in many of their illnesses and it most definitively not a positive factor Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

9:04pm Sun 19 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

interesting ..... so you must of seen the research into how cannabis helps in treating depression and anxiety .... obviously it is like a lot of other drugs .... when taken sensibly it has benefits but when it is started to be used to excess and abused that is where the problems start ..... in your line of work you would of dealt with people that abused it .... if you abuse any drug it will be detrimental but why should the sensible ones suffer because others choose to abuse it
interesting ..... so you must of seen the research into how cannabis helps in treating depression and anxiety .... obviously it is like a lot of other drugs .... when taken sensibly it has benefits but when it is started to be used to excess and abused that is where the problems start ..... in your line of work you would of dealt with people that abused it .... if you abuse any drug it will be detrimental but why should the sensible ones suffer because others choose to abuse it lv8151
  • Score: 0

2:09am Mon 20 Jan 14

hoboh2o says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Insanity. The mainstream media are failing on all fronts. Shale Gas has not brought down the price of gas in America, I know thgis for a FACT - I lived in the states until a few years ago, and every other month it seemed the prices went up, despite the press listening to the garnish dished out by the government and the corporations who promise this that and the other including jobs based on the American dream. It is all fluster and BS. Fracking is causing misery to the residents who live on the doorstep of Fracking wells, not just gas but fracked oil. Water supplies are tainted, fish pop up dead in rivers, earthquakes happen on a daily basis in areas that have never been troubled by quakes. Buildings subside, and there is some evidence that the gases seep into the surrounding atmosphere from missed fractures. I have done a lot of research on fracking during my time in Oregon. The evidence for cheap gas just does not stack up. The environmental dangers are all to apparent and do actually affect the residents that live near these wells, both emotionally and physically due to polluted water supplies - watch the videos on youTube of people lighting their faucets while water is running with matches. The need to stop pandering to the companies that restrict the development of technology is a high one. If the government want to create jobs and respect the environment while giving us cheap clean energy then they should be looking towards the renewable green energies of solar, wind and wave power. But the fact that this is just not profitable for the government and their corporate friends is all too apparent in this debacle. What actually should be happening is that people should be protesting this crazy crazy industry. And I do not mean start name calling and saying that "those protesting are a bunch of hippies that do not work". That attitude is BS, people need to put their minds into gear and think about the futures of their children, their grandchildren. Nearly all of the UK will house areas that will be licenced fracking zones. Already that map is getting cluttered with potential Fracking sites. You only need to look as far as France why this Fracking BS we are being fed is absolute hogwash. So tell me why Bolton News do you or your media friends not tell the truth - tell people what is really going on. Let's take the French corporation 'Total' who are applying for licences in the UK to frack for shale gas - this is because in France fracking has been banned, outlawed and shoved to the bottom of the energy pile. Tell people the TRUTH!!! No Fracking should NOT come to Bolton - But because people will not do anything about it, they will sit back and watch this happen in our town - everybody will suffer the consequences. The government will not give you a choice in the matter and the police will go on to protect their corporate owners at the gates of various fracking sites with brutal force. I am ashamed... I am ashamed of our culture, ashamed to be British, ashamed of our police, ashamed of our laws, ashamed of our government, ashamed of my town, ashamed of this once Great Britain. I am ashamed!!!
Good I am pleased you are ashamed, you should be with your pointless drivel.
I do not think anyone believes that the price will come down; it just means we will have a supply of energy of our own instead of relying on a rather unstable world to obtain it.
Windmills and all the green claptrap will not fill the energy needs of the UK, neither now nor in the future, they are not only unsightly, dangerous to wild life, but dammed inefficient.
On the plus side, something good may come out of this if a fracture occurs under Bolton town hall when the fat controller is in residence, then it will be worth while for that alone.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Insanity. The mainstream media are failing on all fronts. Shale Gas has not brought down the price of gas in America, I know thgis for a FACT - I lived in the states until a few years ago, and every other month it seemed the prices went up, despite the press listening to the garnish dished out by the government and the corporations who promise this that and the other including jobs based on the American dream. It is all fluster and BS. Fracking is causing misery to the residents who live on the doorstep of Fracking wells, not just gas but fracked oil. Water supplies are tainted, fish pop up dead in rivers, earthquakes happen on a daily basis in areas that have never been troubled by quakes. Buildings subside, and there is some evidence that the gases seep into the surrounding atmosphere from missed fractures. I have done a lot of research on fracking during my time in Oregon. The evidence for cheap gas just does not stack up. The environmental dangers are all to apparent and do actually affect the residents that live near these wells, both emotionally and physically due to polluted water supplies - watch the videos on youTube of people lighting their faucets while water is running with matches. The need to stop pandering to the companies that restrict the development of technology is a high one. If the government want to create jobs and respect the environment while giving us cheap clean energy then they should be looking towards the renewable green energies of solar, wind and wave power. But the fact that this is just not profitable for the government and their corporate friends is all too apparent in this debacle. What actually should be happening is that people should be protesting this crazy crazy industry. And I do not mean start name calling and saying that "those protesting are a bunch of hippies that do not work". That attitude is BS, people need to put their minds into gear and think about the futures of their children, their grandchildren. Nearly all of the UK will house areas that will be licenced fracking zones. Already that map is getting cluttered with potential Fracking sites. You only need to look as far as France why this Fracking BS we are being fed is absolute hogwash. So tell me why Bolton News do you or your media friends not tell the truth - tell people what is really going on. Let's take the French corporation 'Total' who are applying for licences in the UK to frack for shale gas - this is because in France fracking has been banned, outlawed and shoved to the bottom of the energy pile. Tell people the TRUTH!!! No Fracking should NOT come to Bolton - But because people will not do anything about it, they will sit back and watch this happen in our town - everybody will suffer the consequences. The government will not give you a choice in the matter and the police will go on to protect their corporate owners at the gates of various fracking sites with brutal force. I am ashamed... I am ashamed of our culture, ashamed to be British, ashamed of our police, ashamed of our laws, ashamed of our government, ashamed of my town, ashamed of this once Great Britain. I am ashamed!!![/p][/quote]Good I am pleased you are ashamed, you should be with your pointless drivel. I do not think anyone believes that the price will come down; it just means we will have a supply of energy of our own instead of relying on a rather unstable world to obtain it. Windmills and all the green claptrap will not fill the energy needs of the UK, neither now nor in the future, they are not only unsightly, dangerous to wild life, but dammed inefficient. On the plus side, something good may come out of this if a fracture occurs under Bolton town hall when the fat controller is in residence, then it will be worth while for that alone. hoboh2o
  • Score: 4

2:09am Mon 20 Jan 14

hoboh2o says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Insanity. The mainstream media are failing on all fronts. Shale Gas has not brought down the price of gas in America, I know thgis for a FACT - I lived in the states until a few years ago, and every other month it seemed the prices went up, despite the press listening to the garnish dished out by the government and the corporations who promise this that and the other including jobs based on the American dream. It is all fluster and BS. Fracking is causing misery to the residents who live on the doorstep of Fracking wells, not just gas but fracked oil. Water supplies are tainted, fish pop up dead in rivers, earthquakes happen on a daily basis in areas that have never been troubled by quakes. Buildings subside, and there is some evidence that the gases seep into the surrounding atmosphere from missed fractures. I have done a lot of research on fracking during my time in Oregon. The evidence for cheap gas just does not stack up. The environmental dangers are all to apparent and do actually affect the residents that live near these wells, both emotionally and physically due to polluted water supplies - watch the videos on youTube of people lighting their faucets while water is running with matches. The need to stop pandering to the companies that restrict the development of technology is a high one. If the government want to create jobs and respect the environment while giving us cheap clean energy then they should be looking towards the renewable green energies of solar, wind and wave power. But the fact that this is just not profitable for the government and their corporate friends is all too apparent in this debacle. What actually should be happening is that people should be protesting this crazy crazy industry. And I do not mean start name calling and saying that "those protesting are a bunch of hippies that do not work". That attitude is BS, people need to put their minds into gear and think about the futures of their children, their grandchildren. Nearly all of the UK will house areas that will be licenced fracking zones. Already that map is getting cluttered with potential Fracking sites. You only need to look as far as France why this Fracking BS we are being fed is absolute hogwash. So tell me why Bolton News do you or your media friends not tell the truth - tell people what is really going on. Let's take the French corporation 'Total' who are applying for licences in the UK to frack for shale gas - this is because in France fracking has been banned, outlawed and shoved to the bottom of the energy pile. Tell people the TRUTH!!! No Fracking should NOT come to Bolton - But because people will not do anything about it, they will sit back and watch this happen in our town - everybody will suffer the consequences. The government will not give you a choice in the matter and the police will go on to protect their corporate owners at the gates of various fracking sites with brutal force. I am ashamed... I am ashamed of our culture, ashamed to be British, ashamed of our police, ashamed of our laws, ashamed of our government, ashamed of my town, ashamed of this once Great Britain. I am ashamed!!!
Good I am pleased you are ashamed, you should be with your pointless drivel.
I do not think anyone believes that the price will come down; it just means we will have a supply of energy of our own instead of relying on a rather unstable world to obtain it.
Windmills and all the green claptrap will not fill the energy needs of the UK, neither now nor in the future, they are not only unsightly, dangerous to wild life, but dammed inefficient.
On the plus side, something good may come out of this if a fracture occurs under Bolton town hall when the fat controller is in residence, then it will be worth while for that alone.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Insanity. The mainstream media are failing on all fronts. Shale Gas has not brought down the price of gas in America, I know thgis for a FACT - I lived in the states until a few years ago, and every other month it seemed the prices went up, despite the press listening to the garnish dished out by the government and the corporations who promise this that and the other including jobs based on the American dream. It is all fluster and BS. Fracking is causing misery to the residents who live on the doorstep of Fracking wells, not just gas but fracked oil. Water supplies are tainted, fish pop up dead in rivers, earthquakes happen on a daily basis in areas that have never been troubled by quakes. Buildings subside, and there is some evidence that the gases seep into the surrounding atmosphere from missed fractures. I have done a lot of research on fracking during my time in Oregon. The evidence for cheap gas just does not stack up. The environmental dangers are all to apparent and do actually affect the residents that live near these wells, both emotionally and physically due to polluted water supplies - watch the videos on youTube of people lighting their faucets while water is running with matches. The need to stop pandering to the companies that restrict the development of technology is a high one. If the government want to create jobs and respect the environment while giving us cheap clean energy then they should be looking towards the renewable green energies of solar, wind and wave power. But the fact that this is just not profitable for the government and their corporate friends is all too apparent in this debacle. What actually should be happening is that people should be protesting this crazy crazy industry. And I do not mean start name calling and saying that "those protesting are a bunch of hippies that do not work". That attitude is BS, people need to put their minds into gear and think about the futures of their children, their grandchildren. Nearly all of the UK will house areas that will be licenced fracking zones. Already that map is getting cluttered with potential Fracking sites. You only need to look as far as France why this Fracking BS we are being fed is absolute hogwash. So tell me why Bolton News do you or your media friends not tell the truth - tell people what is really going on. Let's take the French corporation 'Total' who are applying for licences in the UK to frack for shale gas - this is because in France fracking has been banned, outlawed and shoved to the bottom of the energy pile. Tell people the TRUTH!!! No Fracking should NOT come to Bolton - But because people will not do anything about it, they will sit back and watch this happen in our town - everybody will suffer the consequences. The government will not give you a choice in the matter and the police will go on to protect their corporate owners at the gates of various fracking sites with brutal force. I am ashamed... I am ashamed of our culture, ashamed to be British, ashamed of our police, ashamed of our laws, ashamed of our government, ashamed of my town, ashamed of this once Great Britain. I am ashamed!!![/p][/quote]Good I am pleased you are ashamed, you should be with your pointless drivel. I do not think anyone believes that the price will come down; it just means we will have a supply of energy of our own instead of relying on a rather unstable world to obtain it. Windmills and all the green claptrap will not fill the energy needs of the UK, neither now nor in the future, they are not only unsightly, dangerous to wild life, but dammed inefficient. On the plus side, something good may come out of this if a fracture occurs under Bolton town hall when the fat controller is in residence, then it will be worth while for that alone. hoboh2o
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8:30am Tue 21 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Yes many a pro pot person has reminded me the potential of cannabis for possible medicines/cures when you break it down into its parts.
No sure there are many “benefits” to smoking a joint apart you giggle more and tend have the munchies.
On your last point I will assume it’s down to the numbers of users affected vs. overall number of users; against many drugs cannabis is quite a harmful drug
Yes many a pro pot person has reminded me the potential of cannabis for possible medicines/cures when you break it down into its parts. No sure there are many “benefits” to smoking a joint apart you giggle more and tend have the munchies. On your last point I will assume it’s down to the numbers of users affected vs. overall number of users; against many drugs cannabis is quite a harmful drug Dr Martin
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