Bolton couple's £250,000 Spanish villa could be demolished

Patricia and John Kirkman's winter home

Patricia and John Kirkman face a battle to stop the Spanish authorities ordering the demolition of their winter home

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A RETIRED Bolton couple are locked in a legal battle to prevent their £250,000 home in Spain from being bulldozed.

Spanish authorities have told John and Patricia Kirkman they were withdrawing the building licence on their house in Alcaucin, Andalucia, which the couple bought 10 years ago.

The couple, from Lostock, wintering at their three-bedroom Spanish retreat, have now joined with residents of 12 other neighbouring houses in the complex who have engaged a lawyer at a cost of £36,000 to fight the decision forced by the Junta de Andalucia.

Former Bolton wholesale market fruit and potato trader Mr Kirkman, aged 73, said all the properties were given building licences when they were completed in 2004.

“But the builder who constructed the complex of properties never got the required certificate of habitation,” said Mr Kirkman.

“For 10 years we have been wondering when he is going to get it and why he hasn’t got it.

“We could now finish up with our home being bulldozed, although we are hoping it doesn’t come to that.

“The current town hall administration has told us they have no choice but to vote in favour of revoking the planning permission, which was granted to the builder by an earlier administration, apparently, without due process.

“We have been told there is evidence the Junta de Andalusia is particularly active in issuing instructions to revoke licences in town halls of a different political persuasion to itself.

“This is particularly sinister if the victims are being used as pawns in a political power play.”

Mr Kirkman said he and his wife’s plight is a warning to anyone in the UK dreaming of retiring to the Spanish sun.

He added: “People don’t realise there are up to one million homes in Spain in danger of being demolished.

“Anyone based in the UK agreeing to buy a property in the Spain thinking it will be okay could be making a big mistake. It could be the start of an absolute nightmare.”

The Foreign Office said the UK could not get involved in individual disputes and urged British people affected to go through the “appropriate local courts”.

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8:41am Wed 15 Jan 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

Total incompetence of the political dwarves in Spain. This seems to be a recurring issue and just epitomises the divide in one countries ethics to another within the EU. Can you imagine this happening in Britain? Granted when planning permission is ignored and the specs are not met then issues arise but the couple in this article have owned their property for a decade! This is an absolute disgrace and another reason why the EU simply does not work!
Total incompetence of the political dwarves in Spain. This seems to be a recurring issue and just epitomises the divide in one countries ethics to another within the EU. Can you imagine this happening in Britain? Granted when planning permission is ignored and the specs are not met then issues arise but the couple in this article have owned their property for a decade! This is an absolute disgrace and another reason why the EU simply does not work! Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: 36

8:46am Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP!
So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP! thomas222
  • Score: 13

10:42am Wed 15 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

Its political, The Spanish are still upset over the fact that they have 25% unemployment and over Gibralta,

Its a glorified protection racket.
Its political, The Spanish are still upset over the fact that they have 25% unemployment and over Gibralta, Its a glorified protection racket. Jim271
  • Score: 19

10:44am Wed 15 Jan 14

Old Boltonian says...

thomas222 wrote:
So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP!
Typical that so many UKIP supporting posters to this site don't seem to be able to spell simple words. Hmm, I guess they're in the right party.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP![/p][/quote]Typical that so many UKIP supporting posters to this site don't seem to be able to spell simple words. Hmm, I guess they're in the right party. Old Boltonian
  • Score: 4

12:04pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Mr Bridger says...

Why would anyone buy a property knowing that they don't have the correct paperwork? If I was buying abroad I certainly would not trust a builders word that it would be sorted.
Why would anyone buy a property knowing that they don't have the correct paperwork? If I was buying abroad I certainly would not trust a builders word that it would be sorted. Mr Bridger
  • Score: 20

12:53pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade.

Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!!

I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit.

The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen!

Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved? BWFC71
  • Score: 6

12:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU. thomas222
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Old Boltonian wrote:
thomas222 wrote: So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP!
Typical that so many UKIP supporting posters to this site don't seem to be able to spell simple words. Hmm, I guess they're in the right party.
That comment just shows how petty minded you are. If you have nothing constructive to say about a couple losing their home in spain when its not their fault but the fault of a corrupt Mayor who made millions selling what they shouldnt have. All the properties that have been taken along the costa del sol are all english and there are dozens and dozens. Pity you couldnt think of anything better regarding ukip. Its tells me everything.
[quote][p][bold]Old Boltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP![/p][/quote]Typical that so many UKIP supporting posters to this site don't seem to be able to spell simple words. Hmm, I guess they're in the right party.[/p][/quote]That comment just shows how petty minded you are. If you have nothing constructive to say about a couple losing their home in spain when its not their fault but the fault of a corrupt Mayor who made millions selling what they shouldnt have. All the properties that have been taken along the costa del sol are all english and there are dozens and dozens. Pity you couldnt think of anything better regarding ukip. Its tells me everything. thomas222
  • Score: 5

1:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!!

So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!!

Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly

I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY.

As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book.

Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain.

Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Old Boltonian wrote:
thomas222 wrote: So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP!
Typical that so many UKIP supporting posters to this site don't seem to be able to spell simple words. Hmm, I guess they're in the right party.
That comment just shows how petty minded you are. If you have nothing constructive to say about a couple losing their home in spain when its not their fault but the fault of a corrupt Mayor who made millions selling what they shouldnt have. All the properties that have been taken along the costa del sol are all english and there are dozens and dozens. Pity you couldnt think of anything better regarding ukip. Its tells me everything.
They are not ALL English - otherwise it wouldn't be reported in fraance, Germany, Netherlands or even Spain. Yet again its aa us poor British attitude from YOU!!!!


Yet again, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!!

If you have access to Sky TV then you also have access to News24 (French), DW (German), RTVi (Spanish) BVN (Dutch an Belgian) news channels and they also report the similar news reports as to what BBC/ITN do - therefore it is not just the Brits!!!

Also as it all comes under Spanish law and there is no common EU law then, as such, the UK Government has no remit to help!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Boltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP![/p][/quote]Typical that so many UKIP supporting posters to this site don't seem to be able to spell simple words. Hmm, I guess they're in the right party.[/p][/quote]That comment just shows how petty minded you are. If you have nothing constructive to say about a couple losing their home in spain when its not their fault but the fault of a corrupt Mayor who made millions selling what they shouldnt have. All the properties that have been taken along the costa del sol are all english and there are dozens and dozens. Pity you couldnt think of anything better regarding ukip. Its tells me everything.[/p][/quote]They are not ALL English - otherwise it wouldn't be reported in fraance, Germany, Netherlands or even Spain. Yet again its aa us poor British attitude from YOU!!!! Yet again, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!! If you have access to Sky TV then you also have access to News24 (French), DW (German), RTVi (Spanish) BVN (Dutch an Belgian) news channels and they also report the similar news reports as to what BBC/ITN do - therefore it is not just the Brits!!! Also as it all comes under Spanish law and there is no common EU law then, as such, the UK Government has no remit to help! BWFC71
  • Score: 4

1:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish... thomas222
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Wed 15 Jan 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Thomas222 correct, it's racist but hey this is Spain what do you expect. Approved by the government to boot.
Thomas222 correct, it's racist but hey this is Spain what do you expect. Approved by the government to boot. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 2

1:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

MarkAllRead says...

A few people seem very confused about the difference between race and nationality.
A few people seem very confused about the difference between race and nationality. MarkAllRead
  • Score: 3

1:44pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries!

As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information.

Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence!

QUESTION:
OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain?


QUESTION:
Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain? BWFC71
  • Score: -2

1:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Old Boltonian wrote:
thomas222 wrote: So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP!
Typical that so many UKIP supporting posters to this site don't seem to be able to spell simple words. Hmm, I guess they're in the right party.
That comment just shows how petty minded you are. If you have nothing constructive to say about a couple losing their home in spain when its not their fault but the fault of a corrupt Mayor who made millions selling what they shouldnt have. All the properties that have been taken along the costa del sol are all english and there are dozens and dozens. Pity you couldnt think of anything better regarding ukip. Its tells me everything.
They are not ALL English - otherwise it wouldn't be reported in fraance, Germany, Netherlands or even Spain. Yet again its aa us poor British attitude from YOU!!!! Yet again, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!! If you have access to Sky TV then you also have access to News24 (French), DW (German), RTVi (Spanish) BVN (Dutch an Belgian) news channels and they also report the similar news reports as to what BBC/ITN do - therefore it is not just the Brits!!! Also as it all comes under Spanish law and there is no common EU law then, as such, the UK Government has no remit to help!
BTW.... How someone can gloat when people have lost through no fault of their own is beyond me. May you never get conned some day but i really do hope you do. You deserve too. Tenner you dont vote for anyone.. Trolls usually dont.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Boltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: So mutch for the EU being a level playing field.. Come on UKIP![/p][/quote]Typical that so many UKIP supporting posters to this site don't seem to be able to spell simple words. Hmm, I guess they're in the right party.[/p][/quote]That comment just shows how petty minded you are. If you have nothing constructive to say about a couple losing their home in spain when its not their fault but the fault of a corrupt Mayor who made millions selling what they shouldnt have. All the properties that have been taken along the costa del sol are all english and there are dozens and dozens. Pity you couldnt think of anything better regarding ukip. Its tells me everything.[/p][/quote]They are not ALL English - otherwise it wouldn't be reported in fraance, Germany, Netherlands or even Spain. Yet again its aa us poor British attitude from YOU!!!! Yet again, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!! If you have access to Sky TV then you also have access to News24 (French), DW (German), RTVi (Spanish) BVN (Dutch an Belgian) news channels and they also report the similar news reports as to what BBC/ITN do - therefore it is not just the Brits!!! Also as it all comes under Spanish law and there is no common EU law then, as such, the UK Government has no remit to help![/p][/quote]BTW.... How someone can gloat when people have lost through no fault of their own is beyond me. May you never get conned some day but i really do hope you do. You deserve too. Tenner you dont vote for anyone.. Trolls usually dont. thomas222
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Thomas,

I asked 2 pertinent questions which you have ignored!

QUESTION:
OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain?


QUESTION:
Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?

I am not gloating BUT I am stating fact that these people were foolish in NOT doing their homework and failing to know Spanish law! As I say I have property in The Netherlands, and have had for the last 6 years but I went in knowing the law and knowing what to expect if anything did go wrong - its about homework and NOT being ignorant of the laws. It is now up for sale (this is very similar to mine: http://www.funda.nl/
koop/almere/appartem
ent-48825118-kopersl
agerhof-30/) and have taken my time to put it up for sale and made sure I know the pitfalls etc etc etc


Again, if you say its a scam the EU do not have any laws due to individual countries having their own fraud and financial laws and as such again, the UK Government does not have a remit to get involved! One would have to go through the Spanish Court and the European High Court (which has NO association with the EU) before having any chance of getting anything back.



A Troll is someone who doesn't know the law and gets a reaction from a statement or post which is completely ridiculous and inaccurate and has nothing to do with voting!!!
Thomas, I asked 2 pertinent questions which you have ignored! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain? I am not gloating BUT I am stating fact that these people were foolish in NOT doing their homework and failing to know Spanish law! As I say I have property in The Netherlands, and have had for the last 6 years but I went in knowing the law and knowing what to expect if anything did go wrong - its about homework and NOT being ignorant of the laws. It is now up for sale (this is very similar to mine: http://www.funda.nl/ koop/almere/appartem ent-48825118-kopersl agerhof-30/) and have taken my time to put it up for sale and made sure I know the pitfalls etc etc etc Again, if you say its a scam the EU do not have any laws due to individual countries having their own fraud and financial laws and as such again, the UK Government does not have a remit to get involved! One would have to go through the Spanish Court and the European High Court (which has NO association with the EU) before having any chance of getting anything back. A Troll is someone who doesn't know the law and gets a reaction from a statement or post which is completely ridiculous and inaccurate and has nothing to do with voting!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 1

3:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

“The current town hall administration has told us they have no choice but to vote in favour of revoking the planning permission, which was granted to the builder by an earlier administration, apparently, without due process. "

I think the above statement is all there is to say on the matter. Permission was initially granted and whether it will be revoked or not has been looming over the owners of the property for 10 years! The position of independent building regulators in Europe is irrelevant as I must reiterate*, permission was granted by the powers that be (prematurely, but nonetheless it was given and any morally-adhering judiciary in the land would see this!). Therefore, this is tantamount to misleading/deception with a significant sum of money spent on materials and contractual building work in the faith and knowledge that the proprietors would be acquiring a dream home to escape to after a life of hard graft!

BWFC71, we are not worthy of your intellectual prowess and entrepreneurial nous within the property market but the fact remains that these people have been duped. There should be an independent commission of building regulations within the European Union to meticulously examine the ubiquitous trend of cowboy planning that goes on across the continent.

Don't be so naive and ignorant and remove the rose tinted spectacles. No doubt an Ex-Serviceman in Exile blowing his self-righteous trumpet of self-gratification. We're not worthy big man, none of us who post here.
“The current town hall administration has told us they have no choice but to vote in favour of revoking the planning permission, which was granted to the builder by an earlier administration, apparently, without due process. " I think the above statement is all there is to say on the matter. Permission was initially granted and whether it will be revoked or not has been looming over the owners of the property for 10 years! The position of independent building regulators in Europe is irrelevant as I must reiterate*, permission was granted by the powers that be (prematurely, but nonetheless it was given and any morally-adhering judiciary in the land would see this!). Therefore, this is tantamount to misleading/deception with a significant sum of money spent on materials and contractual building work in the faith and knowledge that the proprietors would be acquiring a dream home to escape to after a life of hard graft! BWFC71, we are not worthy of your intellectual prowess and entrepreneurial nous within the property market but the fact remains that these people have been duped. There should be an independent commission of building regulations within the European Union to meticulously examine the ubiquitous trend of cowboy planning that goes on across the continent. Don't be so naive and ignorant and remove the rose tinted spectacles. No doubt an Ex-Serviceman in Exile blowing his self-righteous trumpet of self-gratification. We're not worthy big man, none of us who post here. Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: 2

5:01pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

The EU has NO say whatsoever over the building and land laws of Spain - just as much as they have no say here in the UK, France or any of the other EU or EFTA countries.

Therefore any independent commission would have to be announced solely by the Spanish Government ONLY!!!

The question the bodes if you want the same regulations all over the EU and EFTA countries - that means you want expansion of EU control and not less of it. Therefore come the Yes/No vote (if Conservatives win the next General Election without being a hung-Parliament) in 2017 would you vote YES - To staying in the EU so that this sort of "scam" never happens again?
The EU has NO say whatsoever over the building and land laws of Spain - just as much as they have no say here in the UK, France or any of the other EU or EFTA countries. Therefore any independent commission would have to be announced solely by the Spanish Government ONLY!!! The question the bodes if you want the same regulations all over the EU and EFTA countries - that means you want expansion of EU control and not less of it. Therefore come the Yes/No vote (if Conservatives win the next General Election without being a hung-Parliament) in 2017 would you vote YES - To staying in the EU so that this sort of "scam" never happens again? BWFC71
  • Score: -1

5:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas, I asked 2 pertinent questions which you have ignored! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain? I am not gloating BUT I am stating fact that these people were foolish in NOT doing their homework and failing to know Spanish law! As I say I have property in The Netherlands, and have had for the last 6 years but I went in knowing the law and knowing what to expect if anything did go wrong - its about homework and NOT being ignorant of the laws. It is now up for sale (this is very similar to mine: http://www.funda.nl/ koop/almere/appartem ent-48825118-kopersl agerhof-30/) and have taken my time to put it up for sale and made sure I know the pitfalls etc etc etc Again, if you say its a scam the EU do not have any laws due to individual countries having their own fraud and financial laws and as such again, the UK Government does not have a remit to get involved! One would have to go through the Spanish Court and the European High Court (which has NO association with the EU) before having any chance of getting anything back. A Troll is someone who doesn't know the law and gets a reaction from a statement or post which is completely ridiculous and inaccurate and has nothing to do with voting!!!
Your a troll hence your non political persuasion so you cant be challenged. You are also a bad at picking lost causes as your bwfc name suggests.... Surprised a clever person like you has backed a loser for so long....... though im sure you could have sorted all boltons problems out and made them profitable......... bye troll.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I asked 2 pertinent questions which you have ignored! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain? I am not gloating BUT I am stating fact that these people were foolish in NOT doing their homework and failing to know Spanish law! As I say I have property in The Netherlands, and have had for the last 6 years but I went in knowing the law and knowing what to expect if anything did go wrong - its about homework and NOT being ignorant of the laws. It is now up for sale (this is very similar to mine: http://www.funda.nl/ koop/almere/appartem ent-48825118-kopersl agerhof-30/) and have taken my time to put it up for sale and made sure I know the pitfalls etc etc etc Again, if you say its a scam the EU do not have any laws due to individual countries having their own fraud and financial laws and as such again, the UK Government does not have a remit to get involved! One would have to go through the Spanish Court and the European High Court (which has NO association with the EU) before having any chance of getting anything back. A Troll is someone who doesn't know the law and gets a reaction from a statement or post which is completely ridiculous and inaccurate and has nothing to do with voting!!![/p][/quote]Your a troll hence your non political persuasion so you cant be challenged. You are also a bad at picking lost causes as your bwfc name suggests.... Surprised a clever person like you has backed a loser for so long....... though im sure you could have sorted all boltons problems out and made them profitable......... bye troll. thomas222
  • Score: -1

5:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; ) thomas222
  • Score: -3

5:26pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

You are the troll for not actually knowing the laws of either UK or Spain!!!! And actually thinking that the EU controls everything!!!

Yet you want the EU to take control of the situation, which they are legally not entitled to, but at same time you want the UK to have no role within the EU!!!!

You can't have it both ways!

In the YES/NO vote for staying in the EU, if it ever happens, I will be definitely voting to stay in the EU!!

And yet again you have got it wrong!!! Just because I am not voting for any of the political parties that are currently in Bolton, thus using my legal right to abstain, does not mean I do not have a political persuasion!!! Why should I waste my vote on just any Political Party that I do not fully believe in?
You are the troll for not actually knowing the laws of either UK or Spain!!!! And actually thinking that the EU controls everything!!! Yet you want the EU to take control of the situation, which they are legally not entitled to, but at same time you want the UK to have no role within the EU!!!! You can't have it both ways! In the YES/NO vote for staying in the EU, if it ever happens, I will be definitely voting to stay in the EU!! And yet again you have got it wrong!!! Just because I am not voting for any of the political parties that are currently in Bolton, thus using my legal right to abstain, does not mean I do not have a political persuasion!!! Why should I waste my vote on just any Political Party that I do not fully believe in? BWFC71
  • Score: 1

5:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

How did that manifesto taste when you devoured it? I am not going to discuss the bureaucracy of future politics. The case in question is unique in the fact that planning permission was granted in the beginning and it has not been honored.

I have very little faith in the EU and central government as referndums and votes of the public do not transpire within any political agenda. We live in a state of acquiesce and are subdued by it term after term.

Look at this on a personal level and non-political and ask yourself, do these people deserve to lose their home after being caught up in political buffoonery? If I was a lawyer I would definitely be pursuing this case as an administration of Spain made the blunder and that has been acknowledged.
How did that manifesto taste when you devoured it? I am not going to discuss the bureaucracy of future politics. The case in question is unique in the fact that planning permission was granted in the beginning and it has not been honored. I have very little faith in the EU and central government as referndums and votes of the public do not transpire within any political agenda. We live in a state of acquiesce and are subdued by it term after term. Look at this on a personal level and non-political and ask yourself, do these people deserve to lose their home after being caught up in political buffoonery? If I was a lawyer I would definitely be pursuing this case as an administration of Spain made the blunder and that has been acknowledged. Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: 3

5:29pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
OK then....

Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property?

(Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )[/p][/quote]OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!) BWFC71
  • Score: 0

5:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Reebok Rhythm wrote:
How did that manifesto taste when you devoured it? I am not going to discuss the bureaucracy of future politics. The case in question is unique in the fact that planning permission was granted in the beginning and it has not been honored.

I have very little faith in the EU and central government as referndums and votes of the public do not transpire within any political agenda. We live in a state of acquiesce and are subdued by it term after term.

Look at this on a personal level and non-political and ask yourself, do these people deserve to lose their home after being caught up in political buffoonery? If I was a lawyer I would definitely be pursuing this case as an administration of Spain made the blunder and that has been acknowledged.
But again it eventually comes down to what the law states in Spain.

They have different laws from UK on many things and as such any legal person/body has to adhere to the law. Their financial laws are also different and unlike ours which only go back 6 years in Spain I know it goes back further (think it is either 10 or 12 years or even longer). This, from how I have read it, is a financial scam and as such have to rely on the Spanish laws - just because the majority of people affected are British means nothing as this has happened under Spanish jurisdiction!
[quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: How did that manifesto taste when you devoured it? I am not going to discuss the bureaucracy of future politics. The case in question is unique in the fact that planning permission was granted in the beginning and it has not been honored. I have very little faith in the EU and central government as referndums and votes of the public do not transpire within any political agenda. We live in a state of acquiesce and are subdued by it term after term. Look at this on a personal level and non-political and ask yourself, do these people deserve to lose their home after being caught up in political buffoonery? If I was a lawyer I would definitely be pursuing this case as an administration of Spain made the blunder and that has been acknowledged.[/p][/quote]But again it eventually comes down to what the law states in Spain. They have different laws from UK on many things and as such any legal person/body has to adhere to the law. Their financial laws are also different and unlike ours which only go back 6 years in Spain I know it goes back further (think it is either 10 or 12 years or even longer). This, from how I have read it, is a financial scam and as such have to rely on the Spanish laws - just because the majority of people affected are British means nothing as this has happened under Spanish jurisdiction! BWFC71
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6:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)
They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )[/p][/quote]OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)[/p][/quote]They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised. thomas222
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7:01pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

Thomas lol!
Thomas lol! Reebok Rhythm
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7:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)
They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.
Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned?

What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain?

How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain!

How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen.

Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge?

It happens in all countries!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )[/p][/quote]OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)[/p][/quote]They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.[/p][/quote]Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)
They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.
Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!!
They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )[/p][/quote]OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)[/p][/quote]They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.[/p][/quote]Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!![/p][/quote]They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported. thomas222
  • Score: 1

8:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)
They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.
Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!!
They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.
Actually "he" didn't as it was one of the London Borough Council's that sold it - and there was never any prosecution and no monies were ever returned!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )[/p][/quote]OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)[/p][/quote]They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.[/p][/quote]Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!![/p][/quote]They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.[/p][/quote]Actually "he" didn't as it was one of the London Borough Council's that sold it - and there was never any prosecution and no monies were ever returned! BWFC71
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)
They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.
Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!!
They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.
BTW how can have I answered your question when you didn't actually ask a question - its in the quote (which cannot be altered) - you NEVER asked a question!!!!

You really do not know what you are typing most of the time!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )[/p][/quote]OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)[/p][/quote]They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.[/p][/quote]Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!![/p][/quote]They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.[/p][/quote]BTW how can have I answered your question when you didn't actually ask a question - its in the quote (which cannot be altered) - you NEVER asked a question!!!! You really do not know what you are typing most of the time!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -1

8:24am Thu 16 Jan 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

BWFC71, I hope I'm as knowledgeable and empathetic as you when I am approaching my mid-40's. You like the sound of your own verbose, tiresome statements. You probably should stay in Exile and enjoy your humble abode in the land reclaimed from the sea.

First class prat having a mid-life crisis and out of touch with the insidious happenings going on in the world.

Doei!
BWFC71, I hope I'm as knowledgeable and empathetic as you when I am approaching my mid-40's. You like the sound of your own verbose, tiresome statements. You probably should stay in Exile and enjoy your humble abode in the land reclaimed from the sea. First class prat having a mid-life crisis and out of touch with the insidious happenings going on in the world. Doei! Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: 3

9:10am Thu 16 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)
They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.
Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!!
They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.
Actually "he" didn't as it was one of the London Borough Council's that sold it - and there was never any prosecution and no monies were ever returned!
Prove it.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )[/p][/quote]OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)[/p][/quote]They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.[/p][/quote]Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!![/p][/quote]They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.[/p][/quote]Actually "he" didn't as it was one of the London Borough Council's that sold it - and there was never any prosecution and no monies were ever returned![/p][/quote]Prove it. thomas222
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BWFC71 wrote:
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BWFC71 wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?
This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.
Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!!
Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...
The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?
I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )
OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)
They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.
Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!!
They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.
BTW how can have I answered your question when you didn't actually ask a question - its in the quote (which cannot be altered) - you NEVER asked a question!!!! You really do not know what you are typing most of the time!!!
Thats because you come write so much irrellivant rubbish that has nothing to do with the story it gets quite confusing. Did you start your weed addiction in Holland?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Firstly there is NO common planning laws within the EU - so how can the EU be blamed? Just as much there is no common financial law or common regulations when it comes to the building trade. Each country have their own specific buildings laws and regulations and if an overseas person buys a property they should follow those rules no matter what - and if a dispute like this happens then it is correct that the UK government should not get involved - why should they? As it bought under that countries laws and not the UK's!!! I have a property in The Netherlands which is now up for sale, but I should never expect the UK to get involved if anything goes wrong as it is not in their remit. The moral of the story is, when buying abroad make sure you get a local solicitor who specialises in property and working with overseas purchasers and make sure that the solicitor is bona-fide by checking them with that countries legal department! Yes it will cost more, but if everything is done properly and its all above board then nothing like this will happen! Do these UKIPers expect a person from abroad to buy property over here for it to go wrong and then expect their national government to get involved?[/p][/quote]This has been happening for years and guess what?. They are all British owners along the costa del sol... I lived there its a racist act allowed by the EU.[/p][/quote]Is it hell!!!! So is it a racial attitude when the Brits "invaded" that part of Spain making sure the locals could not buy the properties? - very akin to city dwellers buying 2nd homes in the country which stops locals from buying them!!! Fact is an overseas person - whether yourself or another British person - bought a property overseas WITHOUT knowing the rules or following the rules and regulations, of the country, properly I have to re-iterate THERE IS NO COMMON EU LAWS WHEN IT CCOMES TO PURCHASING OOR SELLING PROPERTY IN ANOTHER EU COUNTRY. As I say I have property in the Netherlands, which has just gone up for sale in The Netherlands and I have done everything by the book. Therefore it is not legal racism but complete ignorance on behalf of the British of the laws in Spain. Oh and, by the way, it is not just the British who are losing the Spanish homes but also French, Dutch, Germans and even local Spanish!!!![/p][/quote]Proove its other nationalities number one and number two it was a land fraud and yes the spanish are racist... A brit will never ever get a job working for the spanish local councils or any other plc company.. i lived there 20 + yrs so do know the score. The locals didnt but the properties they were laughing at the idoiots who did pay stupid money .......It was a scam from start to finish...[/p][/quote]The fact is the British were FOOLISH for not doing their homework and knowing Spanish law!!!! As such there is no EU law when it comes to purchasing land or property in other EU countries! As for jobs I know plenty of British people who work for Ibedrola, Telefonica and many other Spanish PLC companies and yes I even know a few British who did work in local government positions!!!! so yet again, you are saying something that is just pure fantasyland!!! In my previous job I worked closely with both Iberdrola and Telefonica and spoke to many British people who worked for them and as well as British people working for thee various local councils when requesting information. Now if it was a scam from start to finish, then why wasn't it spotted sooner and not put a stop to, or was it because the British didn't know the laws!! Which then passes the problems back to the British for not doing their homework before parting with their money!!! Ignorance is never a defence! QUESTION: OK then so do YOU want the same laws, as Britain, in Spain? QUESTION: Would you expect a Polish, or Bulgarian, to be complaining as much as you if it was them it was happening to in Britain?[/p][/quote]I don answer IF questions because IF isnt real so is totally irrellivant to anything.. You need to stay in the real here and now now IF....... ; )[/p][/quote]OK then.... Do YOU expect the Polish or Bulgarian Government to intervene over the property scams that are happening in the UK, due to unscrupulous landlords taking every penny they have for very little living area or for even no actual property? (Thats not an if or non-here and now as it is happening and landlords are doing it!)[/p][/quote]They dont have to get involved because any property scams or rouge landlords we arrest and prosecute for breaking the law unlike some countrys. Its called being civilised.[/p][/quote]Do they - how many are NOT prosecuted or even warned? What about legal scamming such as pay-day loans which are banned in Spain? How many properties have been reported in the BN over last 12 months which have broken building regulations and some have had to be brought down and some have had retrospective approval? All these are of the same vein as o what has happened in Spain! How many con-artists operate in this country - highlighted in the comedy-drama series "Hustle" which although is all pie-in-the-sky actually draws upon what does actually happen. Or what about when the Yanks bought London Bridge thinking they were buying Tower Bridge? It happens in all countries!!![/p][/quote]They get prosecuted when they are reported and the guy who did the Tower bridge scam got prosecuted if i remember rightly!. I rest my case you just answered my question, we prosecute when reported.[/p][/quote]BTW how can have I answered your question when you didn't actually ask a question - its in the quote (which cannot be altered) - you NEVER asked a question!!!! You really do not know what you are typing most of the time!!![/p][/quote]Thats because you come write so much irrellivant rubbish that has nothing to do with the story it gets quite confusing. Did you start your weed addiction in Holland? thomas222
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