Pensioner 'humiliated' after she is fined £50 for feeding pigeons

Pigeons are vermin, according to Wigan Council.

Pigeons are vermin, according to Wigan Council.

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A PENSIONER says she was 'humiliated' after being issued with a £50 fine - for feeding pigeons.

The 82-year-old, from Leigh, was feeding the pigeons with bird food she had brought from the market on Bradshawgate, Leigh, last Monday, January 27, when she was approached by a Wigan Council environment enforcement officer.

He informed her she was in breach of section 87 of the Environmental Protection Act and issued her a fixed penalty notice for littering.

Her son, who asked to remain anonymous, is furious that his mother was not simply given a warning and that there is no process for appeal.

He said: "How is my mother supposed to know that she was in breach of some act? At the least there should be signs saying don't feed the pigeons.

"She has never been fined in all her 82 years and had to suffer the humiliation and embarrassment of this in full glare of the public.

"I rang to ask why she couldn't have been given a warning and was told that the council has a zero tolerance policy towards littering.

"I said she is a frail, old woman, but he wasn't interested.

"My mother lives alone on state pension and only just manages to get by - £50 is a huge chunk of her pension.

"She is distraught. I am so angry at the way she has been treated."


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Terry Dunn, director of environment at Wigan Council, said: "Wigan Council discourages people from feeding pigeons in the town centre.

"The birds are classed as vermin as they carry and spread disease.

"Because of that, we do take the offence, which is treated as dropping litter, very seriously.

"I'd like to advise residents not to encourage pigeons by feeding them. Anyone caught will receive a £50 on the spot fine."

The fine follows an incident in which a woman was fined £75 for feeding pigeons in Bolton town centre with a pasty.

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2:29pm Fri 7 Feb 14

steveG says...

Why do we ,as taxpayers,employ people in these moronic roles.
Why do we ,as taxpayers,employ people in these moronic roles. steveG
  • Score: 58

2:38pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Rememberscarborough says...

If I pull my wallet out of my pocket and a piece of paper falls to the floor before I can pick it up am I guilty of littering? Of course not, and to apply this reasoning to feeding pigeons is ludicrous because the birds are actually doing the council's job for them. By all means find another law to target a frail old lady who, through her ignorance is encouraging vermin, but to charge her with littering is pathetic and probably illegal.

Maybe the real reason for this is that there actually isn't any law against feeding birds and the council are making it up as they go along (like normal?).
If I pull my wallet out of my pocket and a piece of paper falls to the floor before I can pick it up am I guilty of littering? Of course not, and to apply this reasoning to feeding pigeons is ludicrous because the birds are actually doing the council's job for them. By all means find another law to target a frail old lady who, through her ignorance is encouraging vermin, but to charge her with littering is pathetic and probably illegal. Maybe the real reason for this is that there actually isn't any law against feeding birds and the council are making it up as they go along (like normal?). Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 152

2:38pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gigglebox3 says...

why is an 82yr old woman spending her meagre pension on bird seed??? there are much more important things am sure.
why is an 82yr old woman spending her meagre pension on bird seed??? there are much more important things am sure. gigglebox3
  • Score: -88

2:38pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Think About This! says...

The next time that the council dumps the "Bolton Scene" through our letterboxes, let's all fine them £75 for littering.
The next time that the council dumps the "Bolton Scene" through our letterboxes, let's all fine them £75 for littering. Think About This!
  • Score: 408

2:47pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Back oth Bank Boy says...

LET US ALL GO TO BRADSHAWGATE IN LEIGH WITH 1KILOGRAMME OF BIRD FEED AND PROTEST AGAINST THESE SILLY RULES. PIGEONS
HAS GOD GIVEN RIGHTS TO EAT AND LIVE. THE OLD LADY WAS WORKING FOR THE GOD, OUR MAKER. SHE WAS PRACTISING HER RELIGION, AND THAT IS HER HUMAN RIGHTS. LOCAL COUNCIL SHOULD REWARD HER FOR BEING A GOOD HUMAN.
LET US ALL GO TO BRADSHAWGATE IN LEIGH WITH 1KILOGRAMME OF BIRD FEED AND PROTEST AGAINST THESE SILLY RULES. PIGEONS HAS GOD GIVEN RIGHTS TO EAT AND LIVE. THE OLD LADY WAS WORKING FOR THE GOD, OUR MAKER. SHE WAS PRACTISING HER RELIGION, AND THAT IS HER HUMAN RIGHTS. LOCAL COUNCIL SHOULD REWARD HER FOR BEING A GOOD HUMAN. Back oth Bank Boy
  • Score: 117

3:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

goldie47 says...

another little hitler picking on the vulnerable
another little hitler picking on the vulnerable goldie47
  • Score: 109

3:41pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Browny91 says...

Glad she's been fined. We have too many pigeons without idiots like her attracting more!
Glad she's been fined. We have too many pigeons without idiots like her attracting more! Browny91
  • Score: -127

3:44pm Fri 7 Feb 14

stereo_world says...

Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
LET US ALL GO TO BRADSHAWGATE IN LEIGH WITH 1KILOGRAMME OF BIRD FEED AND PROTEST AGAINST THESE SILLY RULES. PIGEONS
HAS GOD GIVEN RIGHTS TO EAT AND LIVE. THE OLD LADY WAS WORKING FOR THE GOD, OUR MAKER. SHE WAS PRACTISING HER RELIGION, AND THAT IS HER HUMAN RIGHTS. LOCAL COUNCIL SHOULD REWARD HER FOR BEING A GOOD HUMAN.
Whoah, calm down there V For Vendetta.
[quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: LET US ALL GO TO BRADSHAWGATE IN LEIGH WITH 1KILOGRAMME OF BIRD FEED AND PROTEST AGAINST THESE SILLY RULES. PIGEONS HAS GOD GIVEN RIGHTS TO EAT AND LIVE. THE OLD LADY WAS WORKING FOR THE GOD, OUR MAKER. SHE WAS PRACTISING HER RELIGION, AND THAT IS HER HUMAN RIGHTS. LOCAL COUNCIL SHOULD REWARD HER FOR BEING A GOOD HUMAN.[/p][/quote]Whoah, calm down there V For Vendetta. stereo_world
  • Score: -26

3:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Balboa says...

Perhaps the public should engage zero tolerance when paying council tax for refuse collections which don't turn up. Refund please.
Perhaps the public should engage zero tolerance when paying council tax for refuse collections which don't turn up. Refund please. Balboa
  • Score: 88

3:57pm Fri 7 Feb 14

davidjb says...

pigeons are foul dirty creatures as people are feeding them allowing them to breed, the cost of cleaning up after them is easily into their thousands, god help anyone who fails to notice they have pigeons in their attic as the acid in their poop rots EVERYTHING including roof timbers
pigeons are foul dirty creatures as people are feeding them allowing them to breed, the cost of cleaning up after them is easily into their thousands, god help anyone who fails to notice they have pigeons in their attic as the acid in their poop rots EVERYTHING including roof timbers davidjb
  • Score: -62

4:17pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Marzi30 says...

Serves her right, pigeons are vermin, would she get the same level of sympathy if she went out feeding rats ? The council should be employing pest controllers to wipe the dirty little blighters out
Serves her right, pigeons are vermin, would she get the same level of sympathy if she went out feeding rats ? The council should be employing pest controllers to wipe the dirty little blighters out Marzi30
  • Score: -34

5:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

peregrintook says...

Never heard anything so ridiculous.

Poor woman, please don't feel humiliated, instead feel ashamed at how this declining country is letting you and the rest of the nation down.
Next time I'm in Bradshawgate, Leigh, Ill be throwing more than 1 kg of pigeon feed to the pigeons'. It'll be Christmas Day for those pigeons' that's a fact.

Try and catch me to give me a ticket.
Never heard anything so ridiculous. Poor woman, please don't feel humiliated, instead feel ashamed at how this declining country is letting you and the rest of the nation down. Next time I'm in Bradshawgate, Leigh, Ill be throwing more than 1 kg of pigeon feed to the pigeons'. It'll be Christmas Day for those pigeons' that's a fact. Try and catch me to give me a ticket. peregrintook
  • Score: 43

5:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

tillyflop53 says...

I was in town centre last saturday and i saw a family feeding lots of pigeons with a pasty, they didnt get fined !!! so why pick on an old lady its ridiculous it really is
I was in town centre last saturday and i saw a family feeding lots of pigeons with a pasty, they didnt get fined !!! so why pick on an old lady its ridiculous it really is tillyflop53
  • Score: 36

5:16pm Fri 7 Feb 14

tillyflop53 says...

Browny91 wrote:
Glad she's been fined. We have too many pigeons without idiots like her attracting more!
you are the idiot ! so disrespectful.
maybe a pigeon will seek you out and get revenge !!!! ;)
[quote][p][bold]Browny91[/bold] wrote: Glad she's been fined. We have too many pigeons without idiots like her attracting more![/p][/quote]you are the idiot ! so disrespectful. maybe a pigeon will seek you out and get revenge !!!! ;) tillyflop53
  • Score: 23

5:22pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

yet gangs of jobs hang around on street corners in Halliwell towing beer cans around and harassing the old people and the police and council do absolutely nothing.

lets have a collection to pay the fine.
yet gangs of jobs hang around on street corners in Halliwell towing beer cans around and harassing the old people and the police and council do absolutely nothing. lets have a collection to pay the fine. Jim271
  • Score: 38

5:39pm Fri 7 Feb 14

boltonnut says...

The council should concentrate on the take away owners and gyp.. oops I mean travellers who keep dumping crap in the back streets and local beauty spots.I guess it's politically and racially incorrect to punish this kind of behaviour but the council deem it okay to punish a 82 year old lady for her kind heartedness in feeding her feathered friends.If pigeons are such a pest why don't the council do something about them,I'm sure they have some money secreted away they could use for this purpose.Tip the councillors upside down,I'm sure enough money will fall out of their pockets to more than fund the project.Pigeon pie anyone?Now there's a good idea,Ye Olde pigeon pastie shoppe.Pigeon popadoms,pigeon perogies.
The council should concentrate on the take away owners and gyp.. oops I mean travellers who keep dumping crap in the back streets and local beauty spots.I guess it's politically and racially incorrect to punish this kind of behaviour but the council deem it okay to punish a 82 year old lady for her kind heartedness in feeding her feathered friends.If pigeons are such a pest why don't the council do something about them,I'm sure they have some money secreted away they could use for this purpose.Tip the councillors upside down,I'm sure enough money will fall out of their pockets to more than fund the project.Pigeon pie anyone?Now there's a good idea,Ye Olde pigeon pastie shoppe.Pigeon popadoms,pigeon perogies. boltonnut
  • Score: 26

6:28pm Fri 7 Feb 14

bwfc0210 says...

Think About This! wrote:
The next time that the council dumps the "Bolton Scene" through our letterboxes, let's all fine them £75 for littering.
Why mention bolton scene when it was Wigan, read the article again please.
[quote][p][bold]Think About This![/bold] wrote: The next time that the council dumps the "Bolton Scene" through our letterboxes, let's all fine them £75 for littering.[/p][/quote]Why mention bolton scene when it was Wigan, read the article again please. bwfc0210
  • Score: -9

6:29pm Fri 7 Feb 14

bwfc0210 says...

Think About This! wrote:
The next time that the council dumps the "Bolton Scene" through our letterboxes, let's all fine them £75 for littering.
Why mention bolton scene when it was Wigan, read the article again please.
[quote][p][bold]Think About This![/bold] wrote: The next time that the council dumps the "Bolton Scene" through our letterboxes, let's all fine them £75 for littering.[/p][/quote]Why mention bolton scene when it was Wigan, read the article again please. bwfc0210
  • Score: -12

7:05pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Sickandtiredoffit says...

Poor old lady she just manages to get by spending her meagre pension on food for the flying rats she should get some cans for the poor unfortunate. Scrotes and maybe some dog food for the beggers fat dogs the reality all three would s##t on her in a blink
Poor old lady she just manages to get by spending her meagre pension on food for the flying rats she should get some cans for the poor unfortunate. Scrotes and maybe some dog food for the beggers fat dogs the reality all three would s##t on her in a blink Sickandtiredoffit
  • Score: -18

7:56pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Coleygiz says...

Pigeons classed as vermin because they spread disease, so do a lot of humans, many of them much dirtier than pigeons
Pigeons classed as vermin because they spread disease, so do a lot of humans, many of them much dirtier than pigeons Coleygiz
  • Score: 34

10:49pm Fri 7 Feb 14

ownerdriver says...

bwfc0210 wrote:
Think About This! wrote:
The next time that the council dumps the "Bolton Scene" through our letterboxes, let's all fine them £75 for littering.
Why mention bolton scene when it was Wigan, read the article again please.
BWFC0210 The reason is really quite simple,

the story is reported in the Bolton News.

the story contains a reference to a woman prosecuted in Bolton for the same offence.

we live in Bolton.

'Bolton Scene' is delivered in Bolton.

BWFC0210 "Read the story again" it's not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]bwfc0210[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Think About This![/bold] wrote: The next time that the council dumps the "Bolton Scene" through our letterboxes, let's all fine them £75 for littering.[/p][/quote]Why mention bolton scene when it was Wigan, read the article again please.[/p][/quote]BWFC0210 The reason is really quite simple, the story is reported in the Bolton News. the story contains a reference to a woman prosecuted in Bolton for the same offence. we live in Bolton. 'Bolton Scene' is delivered in Bolton. BWFC0210 "Read the story again" it's not rocket science. ownerdriver
  • Score: 17

11:06pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Pigeons were here before humans - humans a fecking dirty creatures. Every day I am out I see people hacking a lurgy up an spitting, sneezing and coffing their virus infected guts up all over others on buses and train, in the stores and on the streets.

Every day I see back streets full of bin bags, streets and road verges full of rubbish and stinging nettles not cleared up by the tax paid council.

Are the council having fecking laugh in regards these urban fecking myths about pigeons?

Name me one fecking person that has died via pigeon excrement or breathing a fecking feather?

No this is about MONEY and something the council seems to have a total disregard for - the environment and nature.
Pigeons were here before humans - humans a fecking dirty creatures. Every day I am out I see people hacking a lurgy up an spitting, sneezing and coffing their virus infected guts up all over others on buses and train, in the stores and on the streets. Every day I see back streets full of bin bags, streets and road verges full of rubbish and stinging nettles not cleared up by the tax paid council. Are the council having fecking laugh in regards these urban fecking myths about pigeons? Name me one fecking person that has died via pigeon excrement or breathing a fecking feather? No this is about MONEY and something the council seems to have a total disregard for - the environment and nature. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 30

2:24am Sat 8 Feb 14

longballs r us says...

It is a shame when the elderly are treated in this manner. A total lack of respect. A little explanation of the law would have sufficed. It seems to me the employee must be on a bonus scheme.
It is a shame when the elderly are treated in this manner. A total lack of respect. A little explanation of the law would have sufficed. It seems to me the employee must be on a bonus scheme. longballs r us
  • Score: 27

7:12am Sat 8 Feb 14

George X says...

Coleygiz wrote:
Pigeons classed as vermin because they spread disease, so do a lot of humans, many of them much dirtier than pigeons
And pidgeons being disease carriers is a myth, they certainly carry less diseases than humans anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Coleygiz[/bold] wrote: Pigeons classed as vermin because they spread disease, so do a lot of humans, many of them much dirtier than pigeons[/p][/quote]And pidgeons being disease carriers is a myth, they certainly carry less diseases than humans anyway. George X
  • Score: 33

9:08am Sat 8 Feb 14

hoping4peace says...

why not just charge the pigeons with begging with a banning order covering the town centre?
why not just charge the pigeons with begging with a banning order covering the town centre? hoping4peace
  • Score: 13

10:27am Sat 8 Feb 14

Chrome1 says...

Oh, poor poor pensioner. You should be able to command preferential treatment just because you are old.
Oh, poor poor pensioner. You should be able to command preferential treatment just because you are old. Chrome1
  • Score: -29

10:42am Sat 8 Feb 14

boydell says...

Walking through Victoria Square last week I could hardly believe the amount of trodded in chewing gum all over the square. This stuff is very hard to remove, unlike pigeon poo which just washes away. The people who spit out the gum are more than likely young folk who would tell the enforcement officer to sod off, then take off. He is probably the type of man who would be afraid of confronting another man so he keeps his eye out for old folk.
This enforcement officer should be ashamed of himself and should buy himself a badge which says JOBS WORTH on the front. I know where I would tell him where to go, where the sun doesn't shine !!!
Walking through Victoria Square last week I could hardly believe the amount of trodded in chewing gum all over the square. This stuff is very hard to remove, unlike pigeon poo which just washes away. The people who spit out the gum are more than likely young folk who would tell the enforcement officer to sod off, then take off. He is probably the type of man who would be afraid of confronting another man so he keeps his eye out for old folk. This enforcement officer should be ashamed of himself and should buy himself a badge which says JOBS WORTH on the front. I know where I would tell him where to go, where the sun doesn't shine !!! boydell
  • Score: 29

10:46am Sat 8 Feb 14

myfanwy7 says...

So many stupid posts on here, even by BN comments' usual standards. Where to start...well for one ignorance of the law is not a defence, age has nothing to do with it, and just because others commit offences and get away with it doesn't mean that when people are seen committing offences they should be let off; what kind of logic is that? Misplaced sentimentalism about these real pests seem to have stopped people from thinking properly and some are just using this story as another excuse to criticize the council - what has Bolton Scene got to do with anything? The struggle to make town centres more attractive is not usually helped by the sight of buildings defaced by birdmuck, the damage to stonework this leads to and the cost of installing spikes and netting to deter roosting. Let pigeons live their lives elsewhere and make them unwelcome in urban centres. This is a good by-law in my view.
So many stupid posts on here, even by BN comments' usual standards. Where to start...well for one ignorance of the law is not a defence, age has nothing to do with it, and just because others commit offences and get away with it doesn't mean that when people are seen committing offences they should be let off; what kind of logic is that? Misplaced sentimentalism about these real pests seem to have stopped people from thinking properly and some are just using this story as another excuse to criticize the council - what has Bolton Scene got to do with anything? The struggle to make town centres more attractive is not usually helped by the sight of buildings defaced by birdmuck, the damage to stonework this leads to and the cost of installing spikes and netting to deter roosting. Let pigeons live their lives elsewhere and make them unwelcome in urban centres. This is a good by-law in my view. myfanwy7
  • Score: -23

10:52am Sat 8 Feb 14

Darrennz says...

What's the difference between a magicians wand and a policeman's batton?

A magicians wand is used for cunning stunts!

Maybe some of our local bobbys may like to look out for council workers giving tickets to our senior citizens.
What's the difference between a magicians wand and a policeman's batton? A magicians wand is used for cunning stunts! Maybe some of our local bobbys may like to look out for council workers giving tickets to our senior citizens. Darrennz
  • Score: 10

11:13am Sat 8 Feb 14

Browny91 says...

tillyflop53 wrote:
Browny91 wrote:
Glad she's been fined. We have too many pigeons without idiots like her attracting more!
you are the idiot ! so disrespectful.
maybe a pigeon will seek you out and get revenge !!!! ;)
The pigeons are too busy being fed by morons to bother with me :)
[quote][p][bold]tillyflop53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Browny91[/bold] wrote: Glad she's been fined. We have too many pigeons without idiots like her attracting more![/p][/quote]you are the idiot ! so disrespectful. maybe a pigeon will seek you out and get revenge !!!! ;)[/p][/quote]The pigeons are too busy being fed by morons to bother with me :) Browny91
  • Score: -29

11:49am Sat 8 Feb 14

Darrennz says...

Browny91 wrote:
tillyflop53 wrote:
Browny91 wrote:
Glad she's been fined. We have too many pigeons without idiots like her attracting more!
you are the idiot ! so disrespectful.
maybe a pigeon will seek you out and get revenge !!!! ;)
The pigeons are too busy being fed by morons to bother with me :)
Browny you are a bit of a numpty and disrespectful to the elderly.

If the birds are so called vermin they should not be there so the council has failed miserably to keep our environment safe.

Incidentally what diseases do pigeons give us.
[quote][p][bold]Browny91[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tillyflop53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Browny91[/bold] wrote: Glad she's been fined. We have too many pigeons without idiots like her attracting more![/p][/quote]you are the idiot ! so disrespectful. maybe a pigeon will seek you out and get revenge !!!! ;)[/p][/quote]The pigeons are too busy being fed by morons to bother with me :)[/p][/quote]Browny you are a bit of a numpty and disrespectful to the elderly. If the birds are so called vermin they should not be there so the council has failed miserably to keep our environment safe. Incidentally what diseases do pigeons give us. Darrennz
  • Score: 20

12:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

I suggest she becomes a Bolton Councillor. Once she has done that she can do what she wants and the BN will expunge everything from the archives, like they have just done for Clr jean Gillies.
I suggest she becomes a Bolton Councillor. Once she has done that she can do what she wants and the BN will expunge everything from the archives, like they have just done for Clr jean Gillies. Donkey Stone
  • Score: -33

1:16pm Sat 8 Feb 14

adatherton says...

Can't see how bird seed is litter. It's not there two minutes later.
Can't see how bird seed is litter. It's not there two minutes later. adatherton
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Sat 8 Feb 14

cobblers7 says...

A couple of quotes for you:
The UK’s Chief Veterinary Officer, when addressing the House of Lords in 2000 on the issue of intimate human contact with the then 7,000-8,000 pigeons feeding in Trafalgar Square, was asked if this represented a risk to human health. The Chief Veterinary Officer told The House that in his opinion it did not.
And ...
David Taylor BVMS FRCVS FZS: “In 50 years professional work as a veterinary surgeon I cannot recall one case of a zoonosis (infectious disease transmitted from animals) in a human that was related to pigeons.
A couple of quotes for you: The UK’s Chief Veterinary Officer, when addressing the House of Lords in 2000 on the issue of intimate human contact with the then 7,000-8,000 pigeons feeding in Trafalgar Square, was asked if this represented a risk to human health. The Chief Veterinary Officer told The House that in his opinion it did not. And ... David Taylor BVMS FRCVS FZS: “In 50 years professional work as a veterinary surgeon I cannot recall one case of a zoonosis (infectious disease transmitted from animals) in a human that was related to pigeons. cobblers7
  • Score: 44

3:12pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

Darrennz wrote:
What's the difference between a magicians wand and a policeman's batton?

A magicians wand is used for cunning stunts!

Maybe some of our local bobbys may like to look out for council workers giving tickets to our senior citizens.
They are too busy falsely arresting and accusing lawful fracking protesters at Barton Moss.
[quote][p][bold]Darrennz[/bold] wrote: What's the difference between a magicians wand and a policeman's batton? A magicians wand is used for cunning stunts! Maybe some of our local bobbys may like to look out for council workers giving tickets to our senior citizens.[/p][/quote]They are too busy falsely arresting and accusing lawful fracking protesters at Barton Moss. Donkey Stone
  • Score: -43

4:17pm Sat 8 Feb 14

MattDL92 says...

Maybe fine some shops then for feeding the vermin humans of Bolton. There are plenty.
Pigeons are always going to be in our towns and cities whether people feed them deliberately or not. I can think of far worse things to fine someone over. The thing that frustrates me is there is nothing to suggest that this is illegal. There are no signs in our towns and it isn't publicised anywhere. So how are we supposed to abide by these rules if we don't know they exist?
I only know about it because I've read this article!
Maybe fine some shops then for feeding the vermin humans of Bolton. There are plenty. Pigeons are always going to be in our towns and cities whether people feed them deliberately or not. I can think of far worse things to fine someone over. The thing that frustrates me is there is nothing to suggest that this is illegal. There are no signs in our towns and it isn't publicised anywhere. So how are we supposed to abide by these rules if we don't know they exist? I only know about it because I've read this article! MattDL92
  • Score: 26

12:15pm Sun 9 Feb 14

liznotthequeen says...

In July Bolton Council fined a woman £70 for feeding pigeons, what she did was ate her pasty, and as she was going to the litter bin to deposit her bag she shook the last couple of bits out for the pigeons, she then felt the long arm of a jobsworth justifying his job. (After an uproar the fine was later rescinded). Now we read of an 82 year old lady from Leigh getting slapped with a fine for her ‘crime’

(I wrote this “Lest we forget”)

In World War One and World War Two
it may come as a shock to you
These little birds flew across the skys
with life saving messages tied to their thighs.

Flying hundreds of miles from France to home,
Acting like a mobile phone.

They saved the lives of thousands of men,
maybe your da or granpa was one of them,

Google ‘Dickin Medal’..... it will open your eyes
to these little creatures that fly in our sky’s,

One day we may need them, you never know,
so throw them a pasty,......but mind how you go !
In July Bolton Council fined a woman £70 for feeding pigeons, what she did was ate her pasty, and as she was going to the litter bin to deposit her bag she shook the last couple of bits out for the pigeons, she then felt the long arm of a jobsworth justifying his job. (After an uproar the fine was later rescinded). Now we read of an 82 year old lady from Leigh getting slapped with a fine for her ‘crime’ (I wrote this “Lest we forget”) In World War One and World War Two it may come as a shock to you These little birds flew across the skys with life saving messages tied to their thighs. Flying hundreds of miles from France to home, Acting like a mobile phone. They saved the lives of thousands of men, maybe your da or granpa was one of them, Google ‘Dickin Medal’..... it will open your eyes to these little creatures that fly in our sky’s, One day we may need them, you never know, so throw them a pasty,......but mind how you go ! liznotthequeen
  • Score: 44

4:57pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Lancashire always says...

Disgusting story I would like to see how the person that caused this fine would manage if he had to pay half a weeks wages in fines for the same crime ! The council should giver her the money back she must be devastated , Its not like she was throwing litter or defacing property `just an easy result in a jobsworth !!
Disgusting story I would like to see how the person that caused this fine would manage if he had to pay half a weeks wages in fines for the same crime ! The council should giver her the money back she must be devastated , Its not like she was throwing litter or defacing property `just an easy result in a jobsworth !! Lancashire always
  • Score: 20

8:35am Mon 10 Feb 14

mb63 says...

So by this "logic", we are all committing the same offence, by feeding the birds in our gardens, or when we take our kids to Crompton Lodges and throw the bread for the ducks!
Rock Hall actually sells bird seed, to feed the many birds at Moses Gate Country Park, of which, MANY are Pigeons!
What is the difference, it is a public place?
So by this "logic", we are all committing the same offence, by feeding the birds in our gardens, or when we take our kids to Crompton Lodges and throw the bread for the ducks! Rock Hall actually sells bird seed, to feed the many birds at Moses Gate Country Park, of which, MANY are Pigeons! What is the difference, it is a public place? mb63
  • Score: 10

11:06am Mon 10 Feb 14

Reed Lover says...

mb63 wrote:
So by this "logic", we are all committing the same offence, by feeding the birds in our gardens, or when we take our kids to Crompton Lodges and throw the bread for the ducks!
Rock Hall actually sells bird seed, to feed the many birds at Moses Gate Country Park, of which, MANY are Pigeons!
What is the difference, it is a public place?
No it is not the same. Pigeons are classed as vermin, and cause serious problems in public places. The only reason they interact so closely with humans is because of the availability of food through litter and active feeding by the public.
[quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: So by this "logic", we are all committing the same offence, by feeding the birds in our gardens, or when we take our kids to Crompton Lodges and throw the bread for the ducks! Rock Hall actually sells bird seed, to feed the many birds at Moses Gate Country Park, of which, MANY are Pigeons! What is the difference, it is a public place?[/p][/quote]No it is not the same. Pigeons are classed as vermin, and cause serious problems in public places. The only reason they interact so closely with humans is because of the availability of food through litter and active feeding by the public. Reed Lover
  • Score: -47

11:54am Mon 10 Feb 14

mb63 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
mb63 wrote:
So by this "logic", we are all committing the same offence, by feeding the birds in our gardens, or when we take our kids to Crompton Lodges and throw the bread for the ducks!
Rock Hall actually sells bird seed, to feed the many birds at Moses Gate Country Park, of which, MANY are Pigeons!
What is the difference, it is a public place?
No it is not the same. Pigeons are classed as vermin, and cause serious problems in public places. The only reason they interact so closely with humans is because of the availability of food through litter and active feeding by the public.
So what is the difference between pigeons on the street and pigeons in a country park?
Have you seen the amount of bread and birdfeed that is left uneaten around Crompton Lodges? Why is it ok/encouraged in one public place and not, in another?
Can ANYONE give a specific case of a human being actually catching a disease from a pigeon?
My brother breeds/races pigeons, and has done for the last 35 years. He comes into far more contact with them than the public on the high street.
He is still in good health!
All this about pigeons carrying/spreading disease IS an urban myth.
Pigeon fanciers can get an affliction known as "pigeon lung" which is caused by the dust in pigeon lofts, but not in a public place, as the dust does not accumulate.
Pigeons are NOT a public health risk.
Why are the MASSIVE swarms of Starlings not dealt with? Sparrows etc?
All the Geese and Ducks at the nature reserves?
We should all be dropping like flies, if these "vermin" are full of disease.
It is a load of codswallop, because some jobsworth has fined an 82 year old woman for doing just the same as what parents and grandparents up and down the country do, every day, when they take their kids to "feed the ducks".
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: So by this "logic", we are all committing the same offence, by feeding the birds in our gardens, or when we take our kids to Crompton Lodges and throw the bread for the ducks! Rock Hall actually sells bird seed, to feed the many birds at Moses Gate Country Park, of which, MANY are Pigeons! What is the difference, it is a public place?[/p][/quote]No it is not the same. Pigeons are classed as vermin, and cause serious problems in public places. The only reason they interact so closely with humans is because of the availability of food through litter and active feeding by the public.[/p][/quote]So what is the difference between pigeons on the street and pigeons in a country park? Have you seen the amount of bread and birdfeed that is left uneaten around Crompton Lodges? Why is it ok/encouraged in one public place and not, in another? Can ANYONE give a specific case of a human being actually catching a disease from a pigeon? My brother breeds/races pigeons, and has done for the last 35 years. He comes into far more contact with them than the public on the high street. He is still in good health! All this about pigeons carrying/spreading disease IS an urban myth. Pigeon fanciers can get an affliction known as "pigeon lung" which is caused by the dust in pigeon lofts, but not in a public place, as the dust does not accumulate. Pigeons are NOT a public health risk. Why are the MASSIVE swarms of Starlings not dealt with? Sparrows etc? All the Geese and Ducks at the nature reserves? We should all be dropping like flies, if these "vermin" are full of disease. It is a load of codswallop, because some jobsworth has fined an 82 year old woman for doing just the same as what parents and grandparents up and down the country do, every day, when they take their kids to "feed the ducks". mb63
  • Score: 5

6:09pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Rivertin says...

This is the stupid idea most councils etc use, a war against nature instead of controlling it to everones benefit

If someone invented a machine that could convert foodscraps into fertilizer they would be on a winner....but the likes of pigeons do better than that they actually pick up discarded foodscraps it is just a matter of getting them to drop the fertilizer over certain areas, Therefore roosting areas over planted areas would seem a good idea and ample space for them so they don't become ill and diseases . There was a project in Chester that started something akin in the town , but I don't think the council/EH have nurtured the project that well.
This is the stupid idea most councils etc use, a war against nature instead of controlling it to everones benefit If someone invented a machine that could convert foodscraps into fertilizer they would be on a winner....but the likes of pigeons do better than that they actually pick up discarded foodscraps it is just a matter of getting them to drop the fertilizer over certain areas, Therefore roosting areas over planted areas would seem a good idea and ample space for them so they don't become ill and diseases . There was a project in Chester that started something akin in the town , but I don't think the council/EH have nurtured the project that well. Rivertin
  • Score: -20

1:22pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Asquith says...

That is a shockingly lenient penalty. Bring back the rope!
That is a shockingly lenient penalty. Bring back the rope! Asquith
  • Score: 3

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