Mirrors to be installed at dangerous Bolton junctions as transport bosses pledge to make town safer for cyclists

A Trixi mirror on the traffic lights in Albert Road, Farnworth

The traffic lights at the entrance of Moss Bank Park in Moss Bank Way

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TRANSPORT bosses say they are working hard to keep Bolton’s cyclists safe after pledging to improve some of the town’s worst junctions.

The first “Trixi safety mirrors” have been installed at three problem junctions — Folds Road and Bury New Road, Moss Bank Way and Captain’s Clough Road in Smithills and Albert Road and King Street in Farnworth.

Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) is behind the £650,000 scheme covering the region, and says the equipment — large convex mirrors on traffic lights that give bus, coach or HGV drivers better views of cyclists who might be cycling alongside them — will help prevent accidents.

Another 10 trouble spots will be painted with advanced stop lines, giving cyclists the chance to position themselves ahead of traffic so they can be seen.

Cllr David Chadwick, lead member for transport at Bolton Council and a member of TfGM’s committee, welcomed the move.

He said: “The Department for Transport has approved these mirrors at any junction where there is perceived to be a risk of cyclists possibly having fatalities or being injured in an accident.

“Clearly when you’re riding a bike and are involved in an accident with a HGV, bus or a car, the cyclist is going to come off worse.

“The convex mirrors mean that when cyclists come up on the side of HGVs, coaches or buses, it gives the drivers a better view of them.

“Anything we can do as TfGM to reduce the risk to cyclists is something I would applaud.”

Across Greater Manchester, 176 road junctions with a left-hand turn will be improved thanks to the scheme.

Eleanor Roaf, regional director of sustainable transport charity Sustrans, said making cycling safer would encourage more people to take up the sport.

She said: “Fear of traffic danger is the number one reason prevent people from travelling by bike so it’s fantastic to see such a comprehensive improvement to safety on Bolton’s roads.”

Junctions where Trixi mirrors are being fitted:

  • Moss Bank Way/Captains Clough Road, Smithills
  • Folds Road/Bury New Road, Town Centre
  • Albert Road/King Street Street, Farnworth

Junctions being given advanced stop lines:

  • Bradshaw Road/Lea Gate, Bradshaw
  • Leigh Road/
  • Cricketers Way, Westhoughton
  • Chorley New Rd/Winter Hey Lane, Horwich
  • Chorley New Rd/Tudor Ave, Heaton
  • Lee Lane/Winter Hey Lane/Longworth Road, Horwich
  • Glynne St/Albert Road, Farnworth
  • Bury Road/Crompton Way, Breightmet
  • Wigan Road/Cricketers Way, Westhoughton
  • Mill Street/Cricketers Way, Westhoughton

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11:56am Thu 13 Feb 14

ironman71 says...

That's good news for cyclists. The problem is that motorists do not understand that they should stop there cars behind the box and should not wait in a box for the lights to change. I see it from my bike and also from my car. It's ok marking the roads but driver education must follow if the boxes are to make a difference.
That's good news for cyclists. The problem is that motorists do not understand that they should stop there cars behind the box and should not wait in a box for the lights to change. I see it from my bike and also from my car. It's ok marking the roads but driver education must follow if the boxes are to make a difference. ironman71
  • Score: 13

12:08pm Thu 13 Feb 14

duggie67 says...

Conversely cyclist need to stop being such idiots!! Why would you try and squeeze down the side of an HGV or bus at a set of lights?? Particularly if the vehicle is indicating that it is turning!
Everyone claims driver education is important, but there is NO cyclist training before they are allowed on the roads.
NO TEST.
NO LICENCE.
NO INSURANCE.

Why is it drivers are always to blame??
Conversely cyclist need to stop being such idiots!! Why would you try and squeeze down the side of an HGV or bus at a set of lights?? Particularly if the vehicle is indicating that it is turning! Everyone claims driver education is important, but there is NO cyclist training before they are allowed on the roads. NO TEST. NO LICENCE. NO INSURANCE. Why is it drivers are always to blame?? duggie67
  • Score: 16

12:15pm Thu 13 Feb 14

ironman71 says...

Share the road Duggie, make it safer for everybody. Advanced junction boxes separate vehicles from bicycles making it safer.
You are not stuck in traffic, you are traffic. More bikes on the road means less cars. Less cars means less traffic jams.
Share the road Duggie, make it safer for everybody. Advanced junction boxes separate vehicles from bicycles making it safer. You are not stuck in traffic, you are traffic. More bikes on the road means less cars. Less cars means less traffic jams. ironman71
  • Score: 8

1:37pm Thu 13 Feb 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Completely skipped the questions there ironman71, nice one!
Completely skipped the questions there ironman71, nice one! cliff4treasurer
  • Score: -3

1:53pm Thu 13 Feb 14

mr.mark.c says...

I respect cyclists that respect the law, It's very difficult to avoid the ones that do not when they are jumping on and off curbs and running red lights, and as mentioned earlier cutting up the inside of a vehicle that is turning left.
I respect cyclists that respect the law, It's very difficult to avoid the ones that do not when they are jumping on and off curbs and running red lights, and as mentioned earlier cutting up the inside of a vehicle that is turning left. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 25

3:56pm Thu 13 Feb 14

ironman71 says...

Q. Why would you try and squeeze down the side of an HGV or bus at a set of lights??
A. To get to the advanced cycle box where they should be safe by being in the line of sight of the driver and not in a blind spot. To get to where they won't be squeezed into the kerb by the next motorist who doesn't pull out sufficiently.

Q. Why is it drivers are always to blame?
A. I 'm not sure they are and I didn't say they were.

Can you really see a situation where cyclists need to pass a test, have insurance and have a licence. How would it be enforced?

As I said earlier... Share the roads. They were built for pedestrians, horses, cyclists and years later cars. More bikes means less traffic, less pollution and improved journeys for people in cars, lorries buses etc. You have to see the bigger picture.
Q. Why would you try and squeeze down the side of an HGV or bus at a set of lights?? A. To get to the advanced cycle box where they should be safe by being in the line of sight of the driver and not in a blind spot. To get to where they won't be squeezed into the kerb by the next motorist who doesn't pull out sufficiently. Q. Why is it drivers are always to blame? A. I 'm not sure they are and I didn't say they were. Can you really see a situation where cyclists need to pass a test, have insurance and have a licence. How would it be enforced? As I said earlier... Share the roads. They were built for pedestrians, horses, cyclists and years later cars. More bikes means less traffic, less pollution and improved journeys for people in cars, lorries buses etc. You have to see the bigger picture. ironman71
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Rememberscarborough says...

Why is it that those road users on two wheels believe that the rules don't apply to them? If you weave in and out of traffic and undertake of course you're risking your own safety. More worryingly you risk the safety of pedestrians who are trying to cross the road in a safe manner.

It's time for those on two wheels to take responsibility for their own actions instead of seeking to pass their safety on to others and **** the consequences.
Why is it that those road users on two wheels believe that the rules don't apply to them? If you weave in and out of traffic and undertake of course you're risking your own safety. More worryingly you risk the safety of pedestrians who are trying to cross the road in a safe manner. It's time for those on two wheels to take responsibility for their own actions instead of seeking to pass their safety on to others and **** the consequences. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 7

7:55pm Thu 13 Feb 14

atlas123 says...

Cyclists should not be overtaking stationary cars at the lights on the left to get to the box, either over take on the right (where all over taking should be done) or wait in the traffic.

The thing i dont like about the advance boxes is.. what happens when you are making your way past traffic to the box and as you approach the box the lights change and the traffic moves off. Cyclists can find themselves in no-mans land in the wrong place for the lane/turn they wish to make.

NEVER NEVER NEVER go up the inside of buses, trucks, vans and if you do, dont be surprised to find the space you are in disappearing very quickly.

As a regular, fully insured and trained to national standards cyclist i too hate and cringe at some of the things I see.

Benchmarking/timing Apps such as Strava and iMapMyRun have a lot to answer for as you get commuters trying to beat their times over the courses leading to wreckless cycling.
Cyclists should not be overtaking stationary cars at the lights on the left to get to the box, either over take on the right (where all over taking should be done) or wait in the traffic. The thing i dont like about the advance boxes is.. what happens when you are making your way past traffic to the box and as you approach the box the lights change and the traffic moves off. Cyclists can find themselves in no-mans land in the wrong place for the lane/turn they wish to make. NEVER NEVER NEVER go up the inside of buses, trucks, vans and if you do, dont be surprised to find the space you are in disappearing very quickly. As a regular, fully insured and trained to national standards cyclist i too hate and cringe at some of the things I see. Benchmarking/timing Apps such as Strava and iMapMyRun have a lot to answer for as you get commuters trying to beat their times over the courses leading to wreckless cycling. atlas123
  • Score: 11

8:00pm Thu 13 Feb 14

atlas123 says...

I must add that as a cyclist i find the mirrors useful for getting eye-contact with drivers too. If you get eye contact you know you have been seen.

Ive nearly been hit a few times on moss bank way jcn with Captains Clough by vehicles who pull up at the red light after me, or almost stop as the lights change then pull a cheeky left cutting me up.
I must add that as a cyclist i find the mirrors useful for getting eye-contact with drivers too. If you get eye contact you know you have been seen. Ive nearly been hit a few times on moss bank way jcn with Captains Clough by vehicles who pull up at the red light after me, or almost stop as the lights change then pull a cheeky left cutting me up. atlas123
  • Score: 4

8:33pm Thu 13 Feb 14

JustBecause says...

Another stupid idea with a massive cost, how on earth can it cost £3700 per junction for some mirrors!

I thought trucks, and busses etc had mirrors......
Another stupid idea with a massive cost, how on earth can it cost £3700 per junction for some mirrors! I thought trucks, and busses etc had mirrors...... JustBecause
  • Score: 3

8:33pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Hulton Park says...

So it costs, on average, nearly £3700, or well in excess of three-and-a-half grand, to equip a junction with four mirrors.

There's your Greater Manchester efficiency savings for you.
So it costs, on average, nearly £3700, or well in excess of three-and-a-half grand, to equip a junction with four mirrors. There's your Greater Manchester efficiency savings for you. Hulton Park
  • Score: -3

9:19pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Brumas says...

atlas123 wrote:
Cyclists should not be overtaking stationary cars at the lights on the left to get to the box, either over take on the right (where all over taking should be done) or wait in the traffic.

The thing i dont like about the advance boxes is.. what happens when you are making your way past traffic to the box and as you approach the box the lights change and the traffic moves off. Cyclists can find themselves in no-mans land in the wrong place for the lane/turn they wish to make.

NEVER NEVER NEVER go up the inside of buses, trucks, vans and if you do, dont be surprised to find the space you are in disappearing very quickly.

As a regular, fully insured and trained to national standards cyclist i too hate and cringe at some of the things I see.

Benchmarking/timing Apps such as Strava and iMapMyRun have a lot to answer for as you get commuters trying to beat their times over the courses leading to wreckless cycling.
Well said Sir at last a cyclist that tells it like it is, so true.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: Cyclists should not be overtaking stationary cars at the lights on the left to get to the box, either over take on the right (where all over taking should be done) or wait in the traffic. The thing i dont like about the advance boxes is.. what happens when you are making your way past traffic to the box and as you approach the box the lights change and the traffic moves off. Cyclists can find themselves in no-mans land in the wrong place for the lane/turn they wish to make. NEVER NEVER NEVER go up the inside of buses, trucks, vans and if you do, dont be surprised to find the space you are in disappearing very quickly. As a regular, fully insured and trained to national standards cyclist i too hate and cringe at some of the things I see. Benchmarking/timing Apps such as Strava and iMapMyRun have a lot to answer for as you get commuters trying to beat their times over the courses leading to wreckless cycling.[/p][/quote]Well said Sir at last a cyclist that tells it like it is, so true. Brumas
  • Score: 10

9:22pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Brumas says...

atlas123 wrote:
Cyclists should not be overtaking stationary cars at the lights on the left to get to the box, either over take on the right (where all over taking should be done) or wait in the traffic.

The thing i dont like about the advance boxes is.. what happens when you are making your way past traffic to the box and as you approach the box the lights change and the traffic moves off. Cyclists can find themselves in no-mans land in the wrong place for the lane/turn they wish to make.

NEVER NEVER NEVER go up the inside of buses, trucks, vans and if you do, dont be surprised to find the space you are in disappearing very quickly.

As a regular, fully insured and trained to national standards cyclist i too hate and cringe at some of the things I see.

Benchmarking/timing Apps such as Strava and iMapMyRun have a lot to answer for as you get commuters trying to beat their times over the courses leading to wreckless cycling.
Well said Sir at last a cyclist that tells it like it is, so true.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: Cyclists should not be overtaking stationary cars at the lights on the left to get to the box, either over take on the right (where all over taking should be done) or wait in the traffic. The thing i dont like about the advance boxes is.. what happens when you are making your way past traffic to the box and as you approach the box the lights change and the traffic moves off. Cyclists can find themselves in no-mans land in the wrong place for the lane/turn they wish to make. NEVER NEVER NEVER go up the inside of buses, trucks, vans and if you do, dont be surprised to find the space you are in disappearing very quickly. As a regular, fully insured and trained to national standards cyclist i too hate and cringe at some of the things I see. Benchmarking/timing Apps such as Strava and iMapMyRun have a lot to answer for as you get commuters trying to beat their times over the courses leading to wreckless cycling.[/p][/quote]Well said Sir at last a cyclist that tells it like it is, so true. Brumas
  • Score: 1

9:22pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Brumas says...

atlas123 wrote:
Cyclists should not be overtaking stationary cars at the lights on the left to get to the box, either over take on the right (where all over taking should be done) or wait in the traffic.

The thing i dont like about the advance boxes is.. what happens when you are making your way past traffic to the box and as you approach the box the lights change and the traffic moves off. Cyclists can find themselves in no-mans land in the wrong place for the lane/turn they wish to make.

NEVER NEVER NEVER go up the inside of buses, trucks, vans and if you do, dont be surprised to find the space you are in disappearing very quickly.

As a regular, fully insured and trained to national standards cyclist i too hate and cringe at some of the things I see.

Benchmarking/timing Apps such as Strava and iMapMyRun have a lot to answer for as you get commuters trying to beat their times over the courses leading to wreckless cycling.
Well said Sir at last a cyclist that tells it like it is, so true.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: Cyclists should not be overtaking stationary cars at the lights on the left to get to the box, either over take on the right (where all over taking should be done) or wait in the traffic. The thing i dont like about the advance boxes is.. what happens when you are making your way past traffic to the box and as you approach the box the lights change and the traffic moves off. Cyclists can find themselves in no-mans land in the wrong place for the lane/turn they wish to make. NEVER NEVER NEVER go up the inside of buses, trucks, vans and if you do, dont be surprised to find the space you are in disappearing very quickly. As a regular, fully insured and trained to national standards cyclist i too hate and cringe at some of the things I see. Benchmarking/timing Apps such as Strava and iMapMyRun have a lot to answer for as you get commuters trying to beat their times over the courses leading to wreckless cycling.[/p][/quote]Well said Sir at last a cyclist that tells it like it is, so true. Brumas
  • Score: 0

11:35pm Thu 13 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Hulton Park wrote:
So it costs, on average, nearly £3700, or well in excess of three-and-a-half grand, to equip a junction with four mirrors.

There's your Greater Manchester efficiency savings for you.
So the efficiency is the marked decrease of cyclists being knocked off their bikes and less being treated in hospital thus saving even more hundreds and thousands than what is actually being spent on these mirrors!!!! Also means less expense of getting out the police, ambulance, emergency-doctors - therefore saving even more public money!!

Definitely more efficient!

But there again one does feel safe in a car, don't they and not really have a care in the world about other Council Tax payer road users!

Oh and by the way there are a couple of tests for cyclists, which true enough are not compulsory but should be, and one of them is what most people of my age took - the Cycling proficiency Test which was conducted at junior schools in classes Junior 3 and 4! And as mentioned earlier there is a National Cycling Standard Test!
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: So it costs, on average, nearly £3700, or well in excess of three-and-a-half grand, to equip a junction with four mirrors. There's your Greater Manchester efficiency savings for you.[/p][/quote]So the efficiency is the marked decrease of cyclists being knocked off their bikes and less being treated in hospital thus saving even more hundreds and thousands than what is actually being spent on these mirrors!!!! Also means less expense of getting out the police, ambulance, emergency-doctors - therefore saving even more public money!! Definitely more efficient! But there again one does feel safe in a car, don't they and not really have a care in the world about other Council Tax payer road users! Oh and by the way there are a couple of tests for cyclists, which true enough are not compulsory but should be, and one of them is what most people of my age took - the Cycling proficiency Test which was conducted at junior schools in classes Junior 3 and 4! And as mentioned earlier there is a National Cycling Standard Test! BWFC71
  • Score: -16

2:28am Fri 14 Feb 14

KW1990 says...

Im a bus driver in bolton, some Of the mirrors have been up gor a while and they are worth every penny.

A large view of the full near side of the vehicle settles ones mind
Im a bus driver in bolton, some Of the mirrors have been up gor a while and they are worth every penny. A large view of the full near side of the vehicle settles ones mind KW1990
  • Score: 9

8:43am Fri 14 Feb 14

wombat2537 says...

I am all for safety But at a lot of the Junctions listed I never see a cyclists
From one day to the next so it looks like a lot of money is wasted .Plus
they have cycle lanes these cut down the width of the road and then
Cause back ups. I think if cyclists want these features then is it not
About time they started to pay a ROAD TAX as all other road users
do as little as FIVE or TEN Pounds a year would help with the cost.
Bill W
I am all for safety But at a lot of the Junctions listed I never see a cyclists From one day to the next so it looks like a lot of money is wasted .Plus they have cycle lanes these cut down the width of the road and then Cause back ups. I think if cyclists want these features then is it not About time they started to pay a ROAD TAX as all other road users do as little as FIVE or TEN Pounds a year would help with the cost. Bill W wombat2537
  • Score: -4

8:52am Fri 14 Feb 14

ironman71 says...

Wombat,
Did you know that low emission cars do not require 'ROAD TAX' or vehicle excise duty as it has been called since 1937? Also , cycle lanes don't cause traffic jams, they will cut down traffic on the roads if anything.
Wombat, Did you know that low emission cars do not require 'ROAD TAX' or vehicle excise duty as it has been called since 1937? Also , cycle lanes don't cause traffic jams, they will cut down traffic on the roads if anything. ironman71
  • Score: 4

11:00am Fri 14 Feb 14

normsta says...

I have seen some cyclists going through red lights and risking own lives, if these folk had an accident who would be at fault?

In my eyes the cyclists but the blame would be passed onto the motorists, The council have had to make cutbacks redundancies in order to save money but how can they afford to make alterations to the town hall and install these mirrors at the cost of what they are saying when they haven't the got the money to start with???
I have seen some cyclists going through red lights and risking own lives, if these folk had an accident who would be at fault? In my eyes the cyclists but the blame would be passed onto the motorists, The council have had to make cutbacks redundancies in order to save money but how can they afford to make alterations to the town hall and install these mirrors at the cost of what they are saying when they haven't the got the money to start with??? normsta
  • Score: -1

11:17am Fri 14 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

JustBecause wrote:
Another stupid idea with a massive cost, how on earth can it cost £3700 per junction for some mirrors!

I thought trucks, and busses etc had mirrors......
They also have blind spots. Most vehicles do.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Another stupid idea with a massive cost, how on earth can it cost £3700 per junction for some mirrors! I thought trucks, and busses etc had mirrors......[/p][/quote]They also have blind spots. Most vehicles do. Donkey Stone
  • Score: -17

11:20am Fri 14 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

ironman71 wrote:
Wombat,
Did you know that low emission cars do not require 'ROAD TAX' or vehicle excise duty as it has been called since 1937? Also , cycle lanes don't cause traffic jams, they will cut down traffic on the roads if anything.
So on Moss Bank Way 2 into 1 does go. I don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]ironman71[/bold] wrote: Wombat, Did you know that low emission cars do not require 'ROAD TAX' or vehicle excise duty as it has been called since 1937? Also , cycle lanes don't cause traffic jams, they will cut down traffic on the roads if anything.[/p][/quote]So on Moss Bank Way 2 into 1 does go. I don't think so. Donkey Stone
  • Score: -13

11:49am Fri 14 Feb 14

crazy cat person says...

I have only been driving for a couple of years, before that i used to do a lot of cycling, the number of times i have come close to hitting a cyclist is growing daily, and all because they do not look out for themselves and ignore traffic regulations and lights, it was only last week while i set off from a junction, the lights having been red in all directions for a few minutes to allow pedestrians to cross, that a cyclist, in dark clothing and no lights came straight through the junction and the only reason i managed to avoid him was it was an uphill start, on a normal flat start he would have been hit, you may say i should have seen him, i checked the pedestrian walkway was clear the lights at the junction were red he came out and just blithely carried on across in front of me giving me a dirty look, what are the mirrors going to do to stop this??
I have only been driving for a couple of years, before that i used to do a lot of cycling, the number of times i have come close to hitting a cyclist is growing daily, and all because they do not look out for themselves and ignore traffic regulations and lights, it was only last week while i set off from a junction, the lights having been red in all directions for a few minutes to allow pedestrians to cross, that a cyclist, in dark clothing and no lights came straight through the junction and the only reason i managed to avoid him was it was an uphill start, on a normal flat start he would have been hit, you may say i should have seen him, i checked the pedestrian walkway was clear the lights at the junction were red he came out and just blithely carried on across in front of me giving me a dirty look, what are the mirrors going to do to stop this?? crazy cat person
  • Score: 1

12:02pm Fri 14 Feb 14

ironman71 says...

normsta wrote:
I have seen some cyclists going through red lights and risking own lives, if these folk had an accident who would be at fault?

In my eyes the cyclists but the blame would be passed onto the motorists, The council have had to make cutbacks redundancies in order to save money but how can they afford to make alterations to the town hall and install these mirrors at the cost of what they are saying when they haven't the got the money to start with???
Normsta, have you ever seen a car go through a red light, or have two wheels along the pavement, or travel over the speed limit, etc etc. It's easy to see people breaking the law. But yes I agree that cyclists also need to responsible for their own safety.
[quote][p][bold]normsta[/bold] wrote: I have seen some cyclists going through red lights and risking own lives, if these folk had an accident who would be at fault? In my eyes the cyclists but the blame would be passed onto the motorists, The council have had to make cutbacks redundancies in order to save money but how can they afford to make alterations to the town hall and install these mirrors at the cost of what they are saying when they haven't the got the money to start with???[/p][/quote]Normsta, have you ever seen a car go through a red light, or have two wheels along the pavement, or travel over the speed limit, etc etc. It's easy to see people breaking the law. But yes I agree that cyclists also need to responsible for their own safety. ironman71
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Fri 14 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

normsta wrote:
I have seen some cyclists going through red lights and risking own lives, if these folk had an accident who would be at fault?

In my eyes the cyclists but the blame would be passed onto the motorists, The council have had to make cutbacks redundancies in order to save money but how can they afford to make alterations to the town hall and install these mirrors at the cost of what they are saying when they haven't the got the money to start with???
Because it is NOT the council that are providing these, or paying, for these mirrors.

Road furniture such as signposts and lights come under the remit of TfGM and as such it is them, via a subsidy from Central Governemnt and the EU, that are paying for these mirrors to help create a network of "safe" cycle paths for the whole country.
[quote][p][bold]normsta[/bold] wrote: I have seen some cyclists going through red lights and risking own lives, if these folk had an accident who would be at fault? In my eyes the cyclists but the blame would be passed onto the motorists, The council have had to make cutbacks redundancies in order to save money but how can they afford to make alterations to the town hall and install these mirrors at the cost of what they are saying when they haven't the got the money to start with???[/p][/quote]Because it is NOT the council that are providing these, or paying, for these mirrors. Road furniture such as signposts and lights come under the remit of TfGM and as such it is them, via a subsidy from Central Governemnt and the EU, that are paying for these mirrors to help create a network of "safe" cycle paths for the whole country. The Righteous One
  • Score: -63

3:22pm Fri 14 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

wombat2537 wrote:
I am all for safety But at a lot of the Junctions listed I never see a cyclists
From one day to the next so it looks like a lot of money is wasted .Plus
they have cycle lanes these cut down the width of the road and then
Cause back ups. I think if cyclists want these features then is it not
About time they started to pay a ROAD TAX as all other road users
do as little as FIVE or TEN Pounds a year would help with the cost.
Bill W
ERRM the upkeep of Britain's roads (excluding Motorways) is actually apid for through the Council Tax and not the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED). Therefore anyone and more or less everyone can use Britiains road network!
[quote][p][bold]wombat2537[/bold] wrote: I am all for safety But at a lot of the Junctions listed I never see a cyclists From one day to the next so it looks like a lot of money is wasted .Plus they have cycle lanes these cut down the width of the road and then Cause back ups. I think if cyclists want these features then is it not About time they started to pay a ROAD TAX as all other road users do as little as FIVE or TEN Pounds a year would help with the cost. Bill W[/p][/quote]ERRM the upkeep of Britain's roads (excluding Motorways) is actually apid for through the Council Tax and not the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED). Therefore anyone and more or less everyone can use Britiains road network! The Righteous One
  • Score: -52

5:44pm Fri 14 Feb 14

wombat2537 says...

ironman71 wrote:
Wombat,
Did you know that low emission cars do not require 'ROAD TAX' or vehicle excise duty as it has been called since 1937? Also , cycle lanes don't cause traffic jams, they will cut down traffic on the roads if anything.
Sorry but do your maths if you make a two Lane road into a one Lane as is
In most cases where cycle lanes have been made then you have a problem
As the same volume of traffic is now nose to tail causing back ups
[quote][p][bold]ironman71[/bold] wrote: Wombat, Did you know that low emission cars do not require 'ROAD TAX' or vehicle excise duty as it has been called since 1937? Also , cycle lanes don't cause traffic jams, they will cut down traffic on the roads if anything.[/p][/quote]Sorry but do your maths if you make a two Lane road into a one Lane as is In most cases where cycle lanes have been made then you have a problem As the same volume of traffic is now nose to tail causing back ups wombat2537
  • Score: 0

10:26pm Fri 14 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

I knew the pathetic idiot couldn't resist giving me the thumbs down macro in this news thread as well. Goes to show the lengths some idiots will take to bullying other posters who go against their views, and yet stay pathetically silent at the same time! What an idiot and best of all they are showing themselves up for showing how pathetic he, or she, is with this pathetic vendetta against me and a couple of other posters on here!
I knew the pathetic idiot couldn't resist giving me the thumbs down macro in this news thread as well. Goes to show the lengths some idiots will take to bullying other posters who go against their views, and yet stay pathetically silent at the same time! What an idiot and best of all they are showing themselves up for showing how pathetic he, or she, is with this pathetic vendetta against me and a couple of other posters on here! BWFC71
  • Score: -24

7:46am Sat 15 Feb 14

JustBecause says...

Donkey Stone wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Another stupid idea with a massive cost, how on earth can it cost £3700 per junction for some mirrors!

I thought trucks, and busses etc had mirrors......
They also have blind spots. Most vehicles do.
Not with the correct mirros fitted, plenty of mirrors on the market that eliminate the problem, I have nowt again the mirrors, if it works fine, but £3700! Is extortion.
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Another stupid idea with a massive cost, how on earth can it cost £3700 per junction for some mirrors! I thought trucks, and busses etc had mirrors......[/p][/quote]They also have blind spots. Most vehicles do.[/p][/quote]Not with the correct mirros fitted, plenty of mirrors on the market that eliminate the problem, I have nowt again the mirrors, if it works fine, but £3700! Is extortion. JustBecause
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

Far safer for cyclists if they fixed the potholes in the roads first!!!!
Far safer for cyclists if they fixed the potholes in the roads first!!!! Jim271
  • Score: 0

4:09pm Tue 18 Feb 14

fay clarke says...

Protect cyclists. That's a joke! What about protecting the public from cyclists the way they weave in and out of people in the town centre and are forever on the pavement.
Protect cyclists. That's a joke! What about protecting the public from cyclists the way they weave in and out of people in the town centre and are forever on the pavement. fay clarke
  • Score: -1

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