Council tax goes up - as £21.7 million is slashed from budget

Bolton Town Hall

Bolton Town Hall

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , politics reporter

COUNCIL tax payers in Bolton will see their bills rise after councillors agreed to slash £21.7 million from the town hall budget during a lively meeting.

Millions of pounds of savings across departments were rubber stamped last night, as well as an increase in council tax of 1.94 per cent — meaning Bolton is the first Greater Manchester council as yet to raise council tax next year.

The move was opposed by Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians, who both put forward alternative budgets which involved freezing council tax.

But Bolton Council leader Cllr Cliff Morris moved to increase the charge to bring in an extra £1.6 million and turn down a £1 million grant from the government to stop a rise.

He said: "The problem with the freeze grant is it is a short-term solution to a long-term crisis.

“Despite claiming they are committed to localism, this government continues to take decisions in their Westminster bubble that either don't understand — or worse ignore — the pressures which our businesses and families are under."

The council tax increase, including police and fire precepts, is the equivalent of an extra £18.27 a year for Bolton Band A properties, £18.50 in Blackrod, £18.28 in Horwich and £18.24 in Westhoughton.

The council approved spending £400,000 to increase wages for its lowest paid staff — up from £6.69 to £7.18 an hour — a move backed by the Conservatives and Lib-Dems.

Last year saw the council set a two-year budget, and no new cuts on top of the £21.7 million already earmarked.

The cuts will include the closure of three day centres for disabled adults, removal of school personal assistants, the dedicated graffiti team axed and a reduction in the level of grass cutting and complaints handling.

There are also plans to cut £798,000 by integrating back offices of the adult and children services department, affecting 23 jobs.

A reduction in money available for tripping claims is possible and £50,000 has been taken off the subsidy for free swimming lessons and leisure concessions.

Cllr David Greenhalgh, leader of the Conservatives, said while he felt the north was being targeted unfairly by the cuts from government, he said the national figures showed the country was recovering as a result of the tough choices being made.

He added: "Most residents in this borough will not be able to understand why, in a year when the council has a £1.6 million surplus that £600,000 could not be found from somewhere to add to the government grant of £1 million and give help to families and individuals.”

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11:30am Thu 27 Feb 14

Lesmathes17 says...

What about those of us who don't get a pay rise? How are we meant to pay for the increase? I can't believe Morris and co turned down £1m and expect us to pay...again! What a shambles.
What about those of us who don't get a pay rise? How are we meant to pay for the increase? I can't believe Morris and co turned down £1m and expect us to pay...again! What a shambles. Lesmathes17
  • Score: 38

11:36am Thu 27 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

Its the same old story, the poor working people pay out more every year and get less in return.

Whilst pumping money into the money-pit known as the RBS.

Still what can you do?, if you complain or protest, the police can legally shoot you dead these days.
Its the same old story, the poor working people pay out more every year and get less in return. Whilst pumping money into the money-pit known as the RBS. Still what can you do?, if you complain or protest, the police can legally shoot you dead these days. Jim271
  • Score: 22

12:14pm Thu 27 Feb 14

steveG says...

Localism is a great ideology,unfortunate
ly,in practise,you find yourselves at the mercy of the shower currently in power at the town hall.
Localism is a great ideology,unfortunate ly,in practise,you find yourselves at the mercy of the shower currently in power at the town hall. steveG
  • Score: 11

12:19pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Iluminati says...

The £21.7 million cut in various council departments indicates the utter amateurish competences of most if the council members. No clue and no will to learn from their previous mistakes. The not so well off getting clobbered once more, but there is no savings to be implemented from the town hall officers and executives budget. They enjoy a good salary, great enhanced pension and exceptional working conditions. Isn't funny that all cuts and saving always happen to be in the recreationally and social sector???? The token increase for the lower paid is not to to boast about. It essential !!!
The £21.7 million cut in various council departments indicates the utter amateurish competences of most if the council members. No clue and no will to learn from their previous mistakes. The not so well off getting clobbered once more, but there is no savings to be implemented from the town hall officers and executives budget. They enjoy a good salary, great enhanced pension and exceptional working conditions. Isn't funny that all cuts and saving always happen to be in the recreationally and social sector???? The token increase for the lower paid is not to to boast about. It essential !!! Iluminati
  • Score: 18

12:24pm Thu 27 Feb 14

rnorris says...

Cliff Morris again.....Doesn't surprise me...
Cliff Morris again.....Doesn't surprise me... rnorris
  • Score: 22

12:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

boltonnut says...

Morris the magician,just watch the money vanish.
Morris the magician,just watch the money vanish. boltonnut
  • Score: 20

1:10pm Thu 27 Feb 14

I KILL GOBBY KIDS says...

I think Morris is right trying to push all this through.....
I only say this because I think this will be the last term Morris ever gets in control of Bolton. If this hasn't opened the eyes of the 'Real People of Bolton' you know, the one's who have to pick up the pieces/foot the bill for an incompitant & ignorant pig. Out of touch with the real families of the borough that he controls, then nothing will.
I partly blame myself because I blindly voted Labour, because as I admit myself, I never really took an intrest and 'my parents voted for them so I will' was my attitude. Now I will use my vote more wisely and hope the others in Bolton follow suit.

Get Morris out.
I think Morris is right trying to push all this through..... I only say this because I think this will be the last term Morris ever gets in control of Bolton. If this hasn't opened the eyes of the 'Real People of Bolton' you know, the one's who have to pick up the pieces/foot the bill for an incompitant & ignorant pig. Out of touch with the real families of the borough that he controls, then nothing will. I partly blame myself because I blindly voted Labour, because as I admit myself, I never really took an intrest and 'my parents voted for them so I will' was my attitude. Now I will use my vote more wisely and hope the others in Bolton follow suit. Get Morris out. I KILL GOBBY KIDS
  • Score: 32

1:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

Lesmathes17 wrote:
What about those of us who don't get a pay rise? How are we meant to pay for the increase? I can't believe Morris and co turned down £1m and expect us to pay...again! What a shambles.
Instead of blaming the council for the rise, how about the various companies, that are within the private sector, which the council HAS to use that have raised their prices for many goods and services, thsu leaving no option but to raise the Council tax, or face even deeper cuts (thus meaning even more unemployed and less tax being collected!)

The public sector is not immune to the all price rises in the private sector and as such has to make difficult decision - decisions that I wouldn't like to make and decisuions that many people will abhore and some will find ok - you cannot please all of teh people all of the time - lets put it this way can you honestly say, with hand on heart, that if either teh LibDems or Tories had been in power they wouldn't have doen the same??? (and saying that if one of them had been in power wouldn't Labour and one of the others had said they could have done it without raising the Council Tax?) - basically the parties not in power will always go against a tax rise to gain votes!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Lesmathes17[/bold] wrote: What about those of us who don't get a pay rise? How are we meant to pay for the increase? I can't believe Morris and co turned down £1m and expect us to pay...again! What a shambles.[/p][/quote]Instead of blaming the council for the rise, how about the various companies, that are within the private sector, which the council HAS to use that have raised their prices for many goods and services, thsu leaving no option but to raise the Council tax, or face even deeper cuts (thus meaning even more unemployed and less tax being collected!) The public sector is not immune to the all price rises in the private sector and as such has to make difficult decision - decisions that I wouldn't like to make and decisuions that many people will abhore and some will find ok - you cannot please all of teh people all of the time - lets put it this way can you honestly say, with hand on heart, that if either teh LibDems or Tories had been in power they wouldn't have doen the same??? (and saying that if one of them had been in power wouldn't Labour and one of the others had said they could have done it without raising the Council Tax?) - basically the parties not in power will always go against a tax rise to gain votes!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -21

2:11pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Brumas says...

I do not know where the Bolton News gets the figures quoted, because every one pays the same increase, Residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton pay a precept above and beyond the set council tax figure for Bolton as a whole. In my case Thirty odd pounds, get rid of precepts, get rid of Town Councils.
I do not know where the Bolton News gets the figures quoted, because every one pays the same increase, Residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton pay a precept above and beyond the set council tax figure for Bolton as a whole. In my case Thirty odd pounds, get rid of precepts, get rid of Town Councils. Brumas
  • Score: 12

2:22pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Hollieanne says...

No-one will ever be able to justify, to me, what Morris and his cronies have done to my town. They have systematically ruined it and only by voting them out will there ever be a chance of the town improving. When will people realise that Labour are no longer a party of and for the people. Tony Blair killed that one!
No-one will ever be able to justify, to me, what Morris and his cronies have done to my town. They have systematically ruined it and only by voting them out will there ever be a chance of the town improving. When will people realise that Labour are no longer a party of and for the people. Tony Blair killed that one! Hollieanne
  • Score: 21

2:38pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Councils should be able to set tax levies on the shyte that do not pay taxes or fiddle the system and get rewarded with bailouts and bonuses.

So while the citizens suffer the injustices of criminal rackets within the banking and financial system, along with the scam artists who pose as viable commercial businesses such as Starbucks - the people at the top are LOLing all the way to the next luxury luncheon.

Smell the coffee people and get out on the streets before it is too late... and for once I will not argue with Jim... he is right you know! *Points up*
Councils should be able to set tax levies on the shyte that do not pay taxes or fiddle the system and get rewarded with bailouts and bonuses. So while the citizens suffer the injustices of criminal rackets within the banking and financial system, along with the scam artists who pose as viable commercial businesses such as Starbucks - the people at the top are LOLing all the way to the next luxury luncheon. Smell the coffee people and get out on the streets before it is too late... and for once I will not argue with Jim... he is right you know! *Points up* Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 11

4:09pm Thu 27 Feb 14

fay clarke says...

So we pay more and receive less. Some staff at the council have received a pay rise. I have not had one of those for years. I blame the British people for accepting this. Why don't we all do something about it such as refuse to pay? Will they put us all in prison?
So we pay more and receive less. Some staff at the council have received a pay rise. I have not had one of those for years. I blame the British people for accepting this. Why don't we all do something about it such as refuse to pay? Will they put us all in prison? fay clarke
  • Score: 9

4:24pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Boff says...

So, the despised fat controller and his sycophantic followers once again treat the good citizens of Bolton with complete disrespect. How long are the idiotic electorate going to continually allow this buffoon to systematically destroy our once great town?

I truly despise this individual on a par with that other great dictator, Mugabe! When the last shoppers have left Bolton for more traditional and pleasant surroundings, this moron will still be stuffing his bank account with ill gotten gains that doubles as a salary.
So, the despised fat controller and his sycophantic followers once again treat the good citizens of Bolton with complete disrespect. How long are the idiotic electorate going to continually allow this buffoon to systematically destroy our once great town? I truly despise this individual on a par with that other great dictator, Mugabe! When the last shoppers have left Bolton for more traditional and pleasant surroundings, this moron will still be stuffing his bank account with ill gotten gains that doubles as a salary. Boff
  • Score: 14

6:23pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Changing times says...

Morris and his pathetic group of Cllrs are a disgrace to the town and have well and truly betrayed the public.

When your bill gets higher in few months remember who to vote out next time .......disgrace !
Morris and his pathetic group of Cllrs are a disgrace to the town and have well and truly betrayed the public. When your bill gets higher in few months remember who to vote out next time .......disgrace ! Changing times
  • Score: 10

7:27pm Thu 27 Feb 14

dressit says...

Looks like Cliff and his cronies will be getting his pay rise this year, unlike the rest of the council workers who will get sod all for the 4th year running!
Looks like Cliff and his cronies will be getting his pay rise this year, unlike the rest of the council workers who will get sod all for the 4th year running! dressit
  • Score: 6

8:42pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Citizen Cane says...

Which Labour Councillor didn't pay their council tax for two years?
Which Labour Councillor didn't pay their council tax for two years? Citizen Cane
  • Score: 8

8:45pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

dressit wrote:
Looks like Cliff and his cronies will be getting his pay rise this year, unlike the rest of the council workers who will get sod all for the 4th year running!
errr no - councillors are actually receiving a 10% cut in what they receive!!!!! Only staff getting a payrise are those on the lowest pay - which is the majority of the workers (either employed direct by the Town Hall or via 3rd party Private companies who operate outsource contracts from the Town Hall!!!!


Energy has gone up, water has gone up, fuel has gone up, prices for all other goods and services have gone up - all provided by private sector companies. Public sector are NOT cushioned from these price increases and have to find the money somehow, or otherwise go bankrupt (like Detroit in the US). This budget has had massive department and staff cuts in it and is also having to increase the Council Tax to make sure it can meet the bills and any potential increase in prices they have to pay to 3rd party private sector companies!!

Remember the Council is a business and it has to run as a business and not a charity. If it doesn't pay its bills it becomes bankrupt and would you honestly want to be controlled from Swinton (Salford), Bury, Wigan or even Manchester, if that did happen?

Can any of you honestly tell me that if the Tories or LibDems had been in power they wouldn't have raised the Council Tax? - it is easy for them to say they wouldn't as they are not in control and they want to get in control and will vie for votes by any popular means!!!
[quote][p][bold]dressit[/bold] wrote: Looks like Cliff and his cronies will be getting his pay rise this year, unlike the rest of the council workers who will get sod all for the 4th year running![/p][/quote]errr no - councillors are actually receiving a 10% cut in what they receive!!!!! Only staff getting a payrise are those on the lowest pay - which is the majority of the workers (either employed direct by the Town Hall or via 3rd party Private companies who operate outsource contracts from the Town Hall!!!! Energy has gone up, water has gone up, fuel has gone up, prices for all other goods and services have gone up - all provided by private sector companies. Public sector are NOT cushioned from these price increases and have to find the money somehow, or otherwise go bankrupt (like Detroit in the US). This budget has had massive department and staff cuts in it and is also having to increase the Council Tax to make sure it can meet the bills and any potential increase in prices they have to pay to 3rd party private sector companies!! Remember the Council is a business and it has to run as a business and not a charity. If it doesn't pay its bills it becomes bankrupt and would you honestly want to be controlled from Swinton (Salford), Bury, Wigan or even Manchester, if that did happen? Can any of you honestly tell me that if the Tories or LibDems had been in power they wouldn't have raised the Council Tax? - it is easy for them to say they wouldn't as they are not in control and they want to get in control and will vie for votes by any popular means!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -30

9:44pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Changing times says...

Council could easily make more efficiencies and stop wasting money, instead it chooses to further burden residents.

A vast amount of council budget is spent on a tiny proportion of the towns population, hence for most they get little value for money .
Council could easily make more efficiencies and stop wasting money, instead it chooses to further burden residents. A vast amount of council budget is spent on a tiny proportion of the towns population, hence for most they get little value for money . Changing times
  • Score: 9

10:03pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Changing times wrote:
Council could easily make more efficiencies and stop wasting money, instead it chooses to further burden residents.

A vast amount of council budget is spent on a tiny proportion of the towns population, hence for most they get little value for money .
How and here are the current wastages?

What tiny proportion of the population - how could it be better?

What would YOU do, whilst keeping within the law?
[quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: Council could easily make more efficiencies and stop wasting money, instead it chooses to further burden residents. A vast amount of council budget is spent on a tiny proportion of the towns population, hence for most they get little value for money .[/p][/quote]How and here are the current wastages? What tiny proportion of the population - how could it be better? What would YOU do, whilst keeping within the law? BWFC71
  • Score: -55

7:35am Fri 28 Feb 14

George X says...

Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ?
If you want to live here pay your council tax !!!
Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ? If you want to live here pay your council tax !!! George X
  • Score: 6

9:00am Fri 28 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

George X wrote:
Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ?
If you want to live here pay your council tax !!!
George X - read up on the rules!!!


You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!!

Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ? If you want to live here pay your council tax !!![/p][/quote]George X - read up on the rules!!! You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!! Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!???? The Righteous One
  • Score: -43

9:33am Fri 28 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

this so called prayer room reduction sounds like an urban myth,

unless if someone can quote the statue or leglistation that clearly states that houses with prayer rooms get a reduction,

id be very grateful, thank you.
this so called prayer room reduction sounds like an urban myth, unless if someone can quote the statue or leglistation that clearly states that houses with prayer rooms get a reduction, id be very grateful, thank you. Jim271
  • Score: 5

10:43am Fri 28 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

So Bolton Council. What new services are we getting with this despicable CT increase? What with everything being cut! BWFC71 - are you Cllr Morris? That would explain a lot!
So Bolton Council. What new services are we getting with this despicable CT increase? What with everything being cut! BWFC71 - are you Cllr Morris? That would explain a lot! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 31

10:54am Fri 28 Feb 14

Puffin-Billy says...

Conservative councillors and their supporters who are opposed to the more affluent in Bolton paying their fair share of council tax are hypocritical leeches on society.

Conservative politicians and councillors are ideologically opposed to public services being provided by the tax payer.

They and the Conservative government are in the process of privatising the NHS, and they have plans to privatise Greater Manchester Fire Service.

They should be denied NHS facilities when they and their families are ill.

And when their houses and businesses are burning down they should be denied the attendance of the Fire and Rescue Service.
Conservative councillors and their supporters who are opposed to the more affluent in Bolton paying their fair share of council tax are hypocritical leeches on society. Conservative politicians and councillors are ideologically opposed to public services being provided by the tax payer. They and the Conservative government are in the process of privatising the NHS, and they have plans to privatise Greater Manchester Fire Service. They should be denied NHS facilities when they and their families are ill. And when their houses and businesses are burning down they should be denied the attendance of the Fire and Rescue Service. Puffin-Billy
  • Score: 3

12:03pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

Jim271 wrote:
this so called prayer room reduction sounds like an urban myth,

unless if someone can quote the statue or leglistation that clearly states that houses with prayer rooms get a reduction,

id be very grateful, thank you.
Believe me Jim it is real. If you would like to know the figures then put in a FOI request and prepare to be angry.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: this so called prayer room reduction sounds like an urban myth, unless if someone can quote the statue or leglistation that clearly states that houses with prayer rooms get a reduction, id be very grateful, thank you.[/p][/quote]Believe me Jim it is real. If you would like to know the figures then put in a FOI request and prepare to be angry. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 6

12:10pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

Cut down on the number of councillors. Sack councillors who break the law or don't pay the council tax on time instead of protecting them. Introduce a wages cap. Why does the licensing committee have to have 15 members on it? Stop all the jaunts at the rate payers expense. Get rid of the paid when on the sick system. We have a licensing officer who has been off work with stress for six months.
Cut down on the number of councillors. Sack councillors who break the law or don't pay the council tax on time instead of protecting them. Introduce a wages cap. Why does the licensing committee have to have 15 members on it? Stop all the jaunts at the rate payers expense. Get rid of the paid when on the sick system. We have a licensing officer who has been off work with stress for six months. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 6

12:12pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

The Righteous One wrote:
George X wrote:
Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ?
If you want to live here pay your council tax !!!
George X - read up on the rules!!!


You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!!

Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????
Just get rid of the exemption and see who cries the most.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ? If you want to live here pay your council tax !!![/p][/quote]George X - read up on the rules!!! You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!! Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????[/p][/quote]Just get rid of the exemption and see who cries the most. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 4

12:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
So Bolton Council. What new services are we getting with this despicable CT increase? What with everything being cut! BWFC71 - are you Cllr Morris? That would explain a lot!
Nope just pointing out the catch22 which ANY counil would be in and whichParty not in power would do.

You can come up with ideas left right and centre but you cant please all of the people all of the time and in todays world you cant please the majority fo people the majority of the time because of all teh individual needs!!!

Of all the people that have bemoaned this budget NOT ONE person has come up with ideas of cutting expenditure whilst raising money to help with costs, with the boundary of the law - cutting councillors is not that easy as it does need regulatory approval from Westminster, which costs money!!!!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: So Bolton Council. What new services are we getting with this despicable CT increase? What with everything being cut! BWFC71 - are you Cllr Morris? That would explain a lot![/p][/quote]Nope just pointing out the catch22 which ANY counil would be in and whichParty not in power would do. You can come up with ideas left right and centre but you cant please all of the people all of the time and in todays world you cant please the majority fo people the majority of the time because of all teh individual needs!!! Of all the people that have bemoaned this budget NOT ONE person has come up with ideas of cutting expenditure whilst raising money to help with costs, with the boundary of the law - cutting councillors is not that easy as it does need regulatory approval from Westminster, which costs money!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

12:27pm Fri 28 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

Donkey Stone wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
George X wrote:
Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ?
If you want to live here pay your council tax !!!
George X - read up on the rules!!!


You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!!

Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????
Just get rid of the exemption and see who cries the most.
Nopwe please give example otherwise I and many other will beleive that it is just folklore and urban myth and more importantly a fabrication of teh truth.

Give us links to see the evidence!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ? If you want to live here pay your council tax !!![/p][/quote]George X - read up on the rules!!! You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!! Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????[/p][/quote]Just get rid of the exemption and see who cries the most.[/p][/quote]Nopwe please give example otherwise I and many other will beleive that it is just folklore and urban myth and more importantly a fabrication of teh truth. Give us links to see the evidence!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -51

4:56pm Fri 28 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

To all Labour councillors who voted for this increase---- I am going to assume you will not be standing for election next time or are you even harder faced than your leader? One bit of advice if you are standing don,t bother turning up for the result because any body in their right mind will not have voted for you.
One question to you all ; what do you call saving frontline services and protecting the vunerable because you plainly have not.
Whatever the truth of so called prayer rooms escaping council tax, I can,t confirm but if it is happening then this needs to be stopped.
.
To all Labour councillors who voted for this increase---- I am going to assume you will not be standing for election next time or are you even harder faced than your leader? One bit of advice if you are standing don,t bother turning up for the result because any body in their right mind will not have voted for you. One question to you all ; what do you call saving frontline services and protecting the vunerable because you plainly have not. Whatever the truth of so called prayer rooms escaping council tax, I can,t confirm but if it is happening then this needs to be stopped. . holloway_david
  • Score: 6

5:37pm Fri 28 Feb 14

George X says...

Donkey Stone wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
George X wrote:
Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ?
If you want to live here pay your council tax !!!
George X - read up on the rules!!!


You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!!

Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????
Just get rid of the exemption and see who cries the most.
These people are just taking advantage of a legal loophole, i for one don't mind paying my council tax, and i couldn't do the same as you put it because i'm not in the slightest religious, but here's a thought i could always make it up and cheat the system like these thousands of muslims are doing , what do you reckon r swipe ?
[quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ? If you want to live here pay your council tax !!![/p][/quote]George X - read up on the rules!!! You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!! Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????[/p][/quote]Just get rid of the exemption and see who cries the most.[/p][/quote]These people are just taking advantage of a legal loophole, i for one don't mind paying my council tax, and i couldn't do the same as you put it because i'm not in the slightest religious, but here's a thought i could always make it up and cheat the system like these thousands of muslims are doing , what do you reckon r swipe ? George X
  • Score: 4

11:12am Sat 1 Mar 14

Rivertin says...

I wonder also if those homes with caretakers and concierges will have high increases for these services?

They cut our service back recently on the estate, halved the number of caretakers, we now have to take the dustbins to the collection point ourselves, there are many disabled and elderly on the estate, (about 70% in my block) so we the abled body do the bins for them , of course I dont mind this, but should I start invoicing the council? or suggest thet the [paid carers of those that are disabled/elderly should do the bins? also the bin men still come up for the recycling bins (where the money is) its mad, we should be getting a cut in council tax now we are recycling and having services cut, cant wait to see how much this concierge charge is going up in April. We get nowt done for the rent as it is, money for nothing, I think that is what they are going to expect from this other gharge.
I wonder also if those homes with caretakers and concierges will have high increases for these services? They cut our service back recently on the estate, halved the number of caretakers, we now have to take the dustbins to the collection point ourselves, there are many disabled and elderly on the estate, (about 70% in my block) so we the abled body do the bins for them , of course I dont mind this, but should I start invoicing the council? or suggest thet the [paid carers of those that are disabled/elderly should do the bins? also the bin men still come up for the recycling bins (where the money is) its mad, we should be getting a cut in council tax now we are recycling and having services cut, cant wait to see how much this concierge charge is going up in April. We get nowt done for the rent as it is, money for nothing, I think that is what they are going to expect from this other gharge. Rivertin
  • Score: 1

8:36pm Sat 1 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
Donkey Stone wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
George X wrote:
Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ?
If you want to live here pay your council tax !!!
George X - read up on the rules!!!


You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!!

Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????
Just get rid of the exemption and see who cries the most.
These people are just taking advantage of a legal loophole, i for one don't mind paying my council tax, and i couldn't do the same as you put it because i'm not in the slightest religious, but here's a thought i could always make it up and cheat the system like these thousands of muslims are doing , what do you reckon r swipe ?
Language Timothy!!!!

So stop moaning about them, then!!!

If you are not prepared to do what they are doing, that what is YOUR complaint/moan?

Just shows you are bigoted, lazy and moaning for moaning sake. If the loophole is there then why not take advantage of it and reap the rewards like these so-called people have done
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donkey Stone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: Maybe if we stopped letting thousands of people in this town stop getting away without paying council tax because they have a so called prayer room in their house, namely muslims, what would happen if the whole town was of that religious persuasion ? If you want to live here pay your council tax !!![/p][/quote]George X - read up on the rules!!! You can do the same, if YOU want to!!!!! If you can get the clergy of any religion to say that you use one of your rtooms as a place for paryer then you can also get teh reduction in the council tax - but you are just too lazy to do that and rather moan about people "bending" the laws when in fact they are not. And as a matter of fact they still have to pay teh Council tax but they get it back as a rebate - therefore to say they pay nothing is a lie!!!!!! Now can you officiall tell me how many homes there are in Bolton and how many homes are suppoedly getting Council Tax rebates becaus ethey ahev pryaer rooms - Now I want official figures from official sources with links - otherwise I will just presume you are lying and trying to scaremonger!!!! This is your chance to prove me wrong, are you up for the challenge or just too lazy!????[/p][/quote]Just get rid of the exemption and see who cries the most.[/p][/quote]These people are just taking advantage of a legal loophole, i for one don't mind paying my council tax, and i couldn't do the same as you put it because i'm not in the slightest religious, but here's a thought i could always make it up and cheat the system like these thousands of muslims are doing , what do you reckon r swipe ?[/p][/quote]Language Timothy!!!! So stop moaning about them, then!!! If you are not prepared to do what they are doing, that what is YOUR complaint/moan? Just shows you are bigoted, lazy and moaning for moaning sake. If the loophole is there then why not take advantage of it and reap the rewards like these so-called people have done BWFC71
  • Score: -65

8:43pm Sat 1 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM?


Are you all just lying?

Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!!

If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!!
HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM? Are you all just lying? Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!! If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -74

11:09pm Sat 1 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM?


Are you all just lying?

Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!!

If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!!
Instead of giving the thumbs down, which is just clearly ignorant.

PROVE ME WRING AND GIVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES WITH THE LINKS FOR ALL TO SEE!!!

If this gets the thumbs down then you are just proving me right and that you are just liars and scaremongering - your call!!!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM? Are you all just lying? Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!! If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!![/p][/quote]Instead of giving the thumbs down, which is just clearly ignorant. PROVE ME WRING AND GIVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES WITH THE LINKS FOR ALL TO SEE!!! If this gets the thumbs down then you are just proving me right and that you are just liars and scaremongering - your call!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -72

4:08pm Sun 2 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

Do any of our labour councillors read the feed back on this site? because I would love them to convince me why we should vote for them when their seats are up for grabs next time. At the moment I can,t think of anything they could say that would. Do any of the writers that have contributed so far have any idea of what they have actually done that make our lives better?
Do any of our labour councillors read the feed back on this site? because I would love them to convince me why we should vote for them when their seats are up for grabs next time. At the moment I can,t think of anything they could say that would. Do any of the writers that have contributed so far have any idea of what they have actually done that make our lives better? holloway_david
  • Score: 5

6:27pm Sun 2 Mar 14

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM?


Are you all just lying?

Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!!

If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!!
Instead of giving the thumbs down, which is just clearly ignorant.

PROVE ME WRING AND GIVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES WITH THE LINKS FOR ALL TO SEE!!!

If this gets the thumbs down then you are just proving me right and that you are just liars and scaremongering - your call!!!
Find out for yourself oh Righteous one, personally i think people are of a mind where the less contact with you the better.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM? Are you all just lying? Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!! If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!![/p][/quote]Instead of giving the thumbs down, which is just clearly ignorant. PROVE ME WRING AND GIVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES WITH THE LINKS FOR ALL TO SEE!!! If this gets the thumbs down then you are just proving me right and that you are just liars and scaremongering - your call!!![/p][/quote]Find out for yourself oh Righteous one, personally i think people are of a mind where the less contact with you the better. George X
  • Score: 8

9:55pm Sun 2 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM?


Are you all just lying?

Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!!

If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!!
Instead of giving the thumbs down, which is just clearly ignorant.

PROVE ME WRING AND GIVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES WITH THE LINKS FOR ALL TO SEE!!!

If this gets the thumbs down then you are just proving me right and that you are just liars and scaremongering - your call!!!
Find out for yourself oh Righteous one, personally i think people are of a mind where the less contact with you the better.
But it seems you make contact at every given chance - therefore it seems you are not of the right mind that you talk about!!!!

Yet again you have NOT commented on this news report and just made offensive remarks

This is what is wrong with this world - people like you - and then YOU wonder why the country is bad as you make it out to be. You are a bright shining example to many of our visitors and youth on how to treat fellow Boltonians, British, Humans - NOT!!!
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM? Are you all just lying? Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!! If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!![/p][/quote]Instead of giving the thumbs down, which is just clearly ignorant. PROVE ME WRING AND GIVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES WITH THE LINKS FOR ALL TO SEE!!! If this gets the thumbs down then you are just proving me right and that you are just liars and scaremongering - your call!!![/p][/quote]Find out for yourself oh Righteous one, personally i think people are of a mind where the less contact with you the better.[/p][/quote]But it seems you make contact at every given chance - therefore it seems you are not of the right mind that you talk about!!!! Yet again you have NOT commented on this news report and just made offensive remarks This is what is wrong with this world - people like you - and then YOU wonder why the country is bad as you make it out to be. You are a bright shining example to many of our visitors and youth on how to treat fellow Boltonians, British, Humans - NOT!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -24

10:02pm Sun 2 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM?


Are you all just lying?

Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!!

If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!!
Instead of giving the thumbs down, which is just clearly ignorant.

PROVE ME WRING AND GIVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES WITH THE LINKS FOR ALL TO SEE!!!

If this gets the thumbs down then you are just proving me right and that you are just liars and scaremongering - your call!!!
Ahh it seems that I have been justified and that I am CORRECT in my assumptions.

Therefore you are saying, by giving the thumbs down, that there are no links to prove YOUR side of the story and that you have just made it all up to scaremonger people - how democratic of you and in fact how very adult of you to show how much you actually do care about this country and the civilised people in this country - something that you have disregarded.

A BIG THANK YOU FOR THE THUMBS DOWN, AGAIN, AND SHOWS THAT I AM RIGHT!!!!

Again you will vote for the thumbs down and thus prove that every single one of you appreciate my truth and honesty and show that you are idiots and should be banned and, with giving the thumbs down, give the green light to the editors of the paper to remove your profile from the site (and yes that does include you George-X - well done you have signed your withdrawal/resignati
on from this website, as I know you won't read this and automatically give the thumbs down)

But one last question before you go - why is for over 19 hours there were +3 thumbs for my comments and then no sooner do you post then my post suddenly becomes -76? (very strange, isn't it?)
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: HY HAS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PRAYER ROOMS NOT ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY FACTS TO THE NUMBERS OF THESE SO-CALLED PRAYER ROOM? Are you all just lying? Prove that you are correct by giving links and actual sources to figures that you have yet to give!!! If you don't then it just shows that you are just making it up, scare mongering and worst of all showing that you have contempt for the ordinary person by not giving them the intelligence or facts to read to make their own minds up!!!![/p][/quote]Instead of giving the thumbs down, which is just clearly ignorant. PROVE ME WRING AND GIVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES WITH THE LINKS FOR ALL TO SEE!!! If this gets the thumbs down then you are just proving me right and that you are just liars and scaremongering - your call!!![/p][/quote]Ahh it seems that I have been justified and that I am CORRECT in my assumptions. Therefore you are saying, by giving the thumbs down, that there are no links to prove YOUR side of the story and that you have just made it all up to scaremonger people - how democratic of you and in fact how very adult of you to show how much you actually do care about this country and the civilised people in this country - something that you have disregarded. A BIG THANK YOU FOR THE THUMBS DOWN, AGAIN, AND SHOWS THAT I AM RIGHT!!!! Again you will vote for the thumbs down and thus prove that every single one of you appreciate my truth and honesty and show that you are idiots and should be banned and, with giving the thumbs down, give the green light to the editors of the paper to remove your profile from the site (and yes that does include you George-X - well done you have signed your withdrawal/resignati on from this website, as I know you won't read this and automatically give the thumbs down) But one last question before you go - why is for over 19 hours there were +3 thumbs for my comments and then no sooner do you post then my post suddenly becomes -76? (very strange, isn't it?) BWFC71
  • Score: -48

10:06pm Sun 2 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

What is also strange but where I have posted, along with many others, and you haven't posted, I don't get any negative thumbs whatsoever, but I do get positive thumbs, and there are quite a few threads in which that has happened!!!

Very strange!!!!
What is also strange but where I have posted, along with many others, and you haven't posted, I don't get any negative thumbs whatsoever, but I do get positive thumbs, and there are quite a few threads in which that has happened!!! Very strange!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -58

3:42pm Mon 3 Mar 14

The Righteous One says...

As I point out you may use the macro program to prove how big you are, but to commment and put YOUR arguments as to why I am not liked by you alone - where are you? Too scared to comment as to why you are a pathetic small-mided individual.

Tell me why you don't like me?
Tell me why you don't like my comments and posts?
Tell me why you are too scred to comment but brave enough to give thumbs down?
Tell me why I should not ban you from this site?
As I point out you may use the macro program to prove how big you are, but to commment and put YOUR arguments as to why I am not liked by you alone - where are you? Too scared to comment as to why you are a pathetic small-mided individual. Tell me why you don't like me? Tell me why you don't like my comments and posts? Tell me why you are too scred to comment but brave enough to give thumbs down? Tell me why I should not ban you from this site? The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

3:44pm Mon 3 Mar 14

The Righteous One says...

Tell me shy you do not give me the thumbs down on the posts you do not post in?

That is the ultimate giveaway.

In threads where you do not post, the thumbs equation is normal with the minimal ups and downs on everyone's posts, if any.

Where you post the thumbs up and down are through the roof - funnily enough the number of hits of teh thread does not actually equal the high number of thumbs down you do - why is that???
Tell me shy you do not give me the thumbs down on the posts you do not post in? That is the ultimate giveaway. In threads where you do not post, the thumbs equation is normal with the minimal ups and downs on everyone's posts, if any. Where you post the thumbs up and down are through the roof - funnily enough the number of hits of teh thread does not actually equal the high number of thumbs down you do - why is that??? The Righteous One
  • Score: -38

2:26pm Tue 4 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

Having posted "what have the Labour councillors done for us" as an open question to all other writers; no answers yet, so does this mean everybody is stuck for an answer. I invite any of the current seated majority to explain why have you taken the tax rise route against I suspect most of the Bolton peoples wishes., Morris has made statements in the press why! but does this excuse him from ignoring the voting public of Bolton.
Having posted "what have the Labour councillors done for us" as an open question to all other writers; no answers yet, so does this mean everybody is stuck for an answer. I invite any of the current seated majority to explain why have you taken the tax rise route against I suspect most of the Bolton peoples wishes., Morris has made statements in the press why! but does this excuse him from ignoring the voting public of Bolton. holloway_david
  • Score: 2

12:31am Wed 5 Mar 14

getajob123 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Tell me shy you do not give me the thumbs down on the posts you do not post in?

That is the ultimate giveaway.

In threads where you do not post, the thumbs equation is normal with the minimal ups and downs on everyone's posts, if any.

Where you post the thumbs up and down are through the roof - funnily enough the number of hits of teh thread does not actually equal the high number of thumbs down you do - why is that???
wow

you sound like a child with mental health problems worrying about thumbs down

please go to your GP and take these threads so he/she can read them and get you the help you need

ive never seen someone so obsessed and creepy as you
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Tell me shy you do not give me the thumbs down on the posts you do not post in? That is the ultimate giveaway. In threads where you do not post, the thumbs equation is normal with the minimal ups and downs on everyone's posts, if any. Where you post the thumbs up and down are through the roof - funnily enough the number of hits of teh thread does not actually equal the high number of thumbs down you do - why is that???[/p][/quote]wow you sound like a child with mental health problems worrying about thumbs down please go to your GP and take these threads so he/she can read them and get you the help you need ive never seen someone so obsessed and creepy as you getajob123
  • Score: 2

8:43pm Wed 5 Mar 14

pimpmaster says...

ha i challenge everyone who is complaining about labour to vot the conservatives or the lib dems and see where that gets you. you will find yourselves regretting that decision within months.
ha i challenge everyone who is complaining about labour to vot the conservatives or the lib dems and see where that gets you. you will find yourselves regretting that decision within months. pimpmaster
  • Score: -1

2:07pm Thu 6 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

pimpmaster wrote:
ha i challenge everyone who is complaining about labour to vot the conservatives or the lib dems and see where that gets you. you will find yourselves regretting that decision within months.
What has this Labour majority done for you or anybody for that matter?
[quote][p][bold]pimpmaster[/bold] wrote: ha i challenge everyone who is complaining about labour to vot the conservatives or the lib dems and see where that gets you. you will find yourselves regretting that decision within months.[/p][/quote]What has this Labour majority done for you or anybody for that matter? holloway_david
  • Score: 3

2:48pm Thu 6 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

pimpmaster wrote:
ha i challenge everyone who is complaining about labour to vot the conservatives or the lib dems and see where that gets you. you will find yourselves regretting that decision within months.
What has this Labour majority done for you or anybody for that matter? The Conservatives would have voted for a freeze. I am not party minded but the vast majority of Bolton would have agreed with them on this one point.
Whatever the political persuasion in the future we need a more accountable body of councillors who take note of the majority of Bolton peoples views and circumstance; when all said and done the council should not be independent of the people.
[quote][p][bold]pimpmaster[/bold] wrote: ha i challenge everyone who is complaining about labour to vot the conservatives or the lib dems and see where that gets you. you will find yourselves regretting that decision within months.[/p][/quote]What has this Labour majority done for you or anybody for that matter? The Conservatives would have voted for a freeze. I am not party minded but the vast majority of Bolton would have agreed with them on this one point. Whatever the political persuasion in the future we need a more accountable body of councillors who take note of the majority of Bolton peoples views and circumstance; when all said and done the council should not be independent of the people. holloway_david
  • Score: 2

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