Train carriages from the north will be moved to ease overcrowding in the south

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FIRST TransPennine Express (FTPE) has confirmed it will lose one in seven of its trains next year — to help ease overcrowding in the South East.

The train operator will have to give up nine of its 70 trains from April, 2015, so they can be used by Chiltern Rail in London and the Home Counties.

The announcement follows cutbacks in FTPE services in December.

The company stopped one service per hour through Bolton and axed peak time carriages — which prompted us to launch our Let’s Get Back on Track campaign.

We have collected more than 1,000 signatures from fed-up commuters calling for an end to overcrowding and more carriages on Bolton’s trains.

It is not yet known how the latest decision by FPTE will impact on Bolton’s services.

But David Crausby, the MP for Bolton North East, and one of the driving forces behind our campaign, said the announcement was a step in the wrong direction.

He has vowed to raise the issue with the Department for Transport during a crunch meeting in Westminster today, along with Bolton West MP Julie Hilling and Yasmin Qureshi, the MP for Bolton South East.

Mr Crausby said: “It’s absolutely unacceptable and a classic North versus South situation and as usual, under this government, the North loses out.

“It takes my breath away. It’s just incredible that they can make it worse.”

Nick Donovan, managing director of FTPE, said the firm was negotiating with the department about operating its services until February, 2016, which is the anticipated start date of a new, longer-term rail franchise.

He added: “Following the announcement that the Class 170 trains we use will be transferred to another operator when our current franchise ends, one of the subjects that will be addressed by these negotiations is rolling stock capacity.

“We need to maintain the significant capacity and timetable improvements that we will bring in from May this year.”

A spokesman for the Department of Transport added: “We are working closely with TransPennine Express to ensure essential passengers services continue to run following the end of the current contract in April next year.”

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5:39pm Wed 5 Mar 14

stereo_world says...

Ah yes. The north suffers again in a Tory government.
Ah yes. The north suffers again in a Tory government. stereo_world
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6:32pm Wed 5 Mar 14

atlas123 says...

This doesnt seem a done deal yet. Okay the class 170s are going, but the full rollingstock settlement doesnt seem agreed yet. FTpE are currently receiving extra new rolling stock from Siemens, for use in the north.
This doesnt seem a done deal yet. Okay the class 170s are going, but the full rollingstock settlement doesnt seem agreed yet. FTpE are currently receiving extra new rolling stock from Siemens, for use in the north. atlas123
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Wed 5 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

atlas123 wrote:
This doesnt seem a done deal yet. Okay the class 170s are going, but the full rollingstock settlement doesnt seem agreed yet. FTpE are currently receiving extra new rolling stock from Siemens, for use in the north.
It is not agreed fully yet.

Yes 1 in 7 are moving to Chiltern Railways and then Northern are losing 2 train units to First TPE and yes 10 units are coming to First TPE (of which 5 have been delivered already).

Now here is the crunch...... The 10 trains that First TPE are having delivered are actually on lease-contract, from Porterbrook, to another Train Operating Company in the South Eats and are only on loan to First TPE for 3 years!!! But lets not forget that these new trains can only run on electrified lines and as such can only be used on the Manchester Airport to Edinburgh/Glasgow route via Wigan! Therefore the Bolton services are actually under more threat as the busier line between Manchester Airport and Leeds will require the trains because of the larger number of passengers than on the Bolton route!!!

The 9 trains that First TPE lost basically came to an end of the leasing contract, with Porterbrook, and that contract was given to the highest bidder (Chiltern Railways) hence why they are moving. BUT the rest of First TPE diesel fleet lease actually comes to an end before the end of the current Franchise contract and as such they could, possibly, lose even more trains to other companies if they come in with higher bids than First TPE.

Therefore whenever DfT has stated that the diesel trains will cascade down once the electric trains start coming into action they lied because it comes down to the bidding process with the leasing companies, such as Porterbrook, as, and when, the train rolling stock leases comes to an end/renewal!

This privatised rail system is a complete mess and shambles and confusion everywhere - even the DfT doesn't know what's what!!!!
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: This doesnt seem a done deal yet. Okay the class 170s are going, but the full rollingstock settlement doesnt seem agreed yet. FTpE are currently receiving extra new rolling stock from Siemens, for use in the north.[/p][/quote]It is not agreed fully yet. Yes 1 in 7 are moving to Chiltern Railways and then Northern are losing 2 train units to First TPE and yes 10 units are coming to First TPE (of which 5 have been delivered already). Now here is the crunch...... The 10 trains that First TPE are having delivered are actually on lease-contract, from Porterbrook, to another Train Operating Company in the South Eats and are only on loan to First TPE for 3 years!!! But lets not forget that these new trains can only run on electrified lines and as such can only be used on the Manchester Airport to Edinburgh/Glasgow route via Wigan! Therefore the Bolton services are actually under more threat as the busier line between Manchester Airport and Leeds will require the trains because of the larger number of passengers than on the Bolton route!!! The 9 trains that First TPE lost basically came to an end of the leasing contract, with Porterbrook, and that contract was given to the highest bidder (Chiltern Railways) hence why they are moving. BUT the rest of First TPE diesel fleet lease actually comes to an end before the end of the current Franchise contract and as such they could, possibly, lose even more trains to other companies if they come in with higher bids than First TPE. Therefore whenever DfT has stated that the diesel trains will cascade down once the electric trains start coming into action they lied because it comes down to the bidding process with the leasing companies, such as Porterbrook, as, and when, the train rolling stock leases comes to an end/renewal! This privatised rail system is a complete mess and shambles and confusion everywhere - even the DfT doesn't know what's what!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 9

8:36pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Dr Doo Little says...

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C'mon Denmark.... put these over paid ballet dancing, drama queens drunks, druggies brothel goers last not least WINGERS out of their misery bleaming HOOOOOOLIGANS V V..... Dr Doo Little
  • Score: -5

10:34pm Wed 5 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

As an added note, we could actually end up with NO trains on the Northern network due to the fact that the leasing contracts for ALL the rolling stock with both First TPE and Northern Rail actually end before the end of the franchise contracts because when the franchise contracts were extended, by the government, they did not extend the rolling stock contracts!!!!
As an added note, we could actually end up with NO trains on the Northern network due to the fact that the leasing contracts for ALL the rolling stock with both First TPE and Northern Rail actually end before the end of the franchise contracts because when the franchise contracts were extended, by the government, they did not extend the rolling stock contracts!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 2

7:29am Thu 6 Mar 14

Wigan Trotter says...

The South East should not need any Units from the North West as they have already been provided with more new Units with additional 4/5/6 coaches instead of 2/3/4 older Units.

How many people in the North were aware that in the build up and the time of the Olympics in 2012, many Units from other regions were moved to the London area to provide extra Units in addition to supplement the new longer units already provided.

As usual, we in the North are treated like dirt, while those in the South get all the best.
The South East should not need any Units from the North West as they have already been provided with more new Units with additional 4/5/6 coaches instead of 2/3/4 older Units. How many people in the North were aware that in the build up and the time of the Olympics in 2012, many Units from other regions were moved to the London area to provide extra Units in addition to supplement the new longer units already provided. As usual, we in the North are treated like dirt, while those in the South get all the best. Wigan Trotter
  • Score: 6

3:23pm Thu 6 Mar 14

turtle2 says...

BWFC71: It's a common misconception that Northern Rail and TransPennine have franchises expiring in 2016. 2016 is the start date of the next franchises and extensions to the current franchises have not been signed off. The Northern Rail franchise ends in a few weeks (1st April) and if an extension is not signed off very soon the services will be operated by Directly Operated Railways for the interim.
BWFC71: It's a common misconception that Northern Rail and TransPennine have franchises expiring in 2016. 2016 is the start date of the next franchises and extensions to the current franchises have not been signed off. The Northern Rail franchise ends in a few weeks (1st April) and if an extension is not signed off very soon the services will be operated by Directly Operated Railways for the interim. turtle2
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4:31pm Thu 6 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

turtle2 wrote:
BWFC71: It's a common misconception that Northern Rail and TransPennine have franchises expiring in 2016. 2016 is the start date of the next franchises and extensions to the current franchises have not been signed off. The Northern Rail franchise ends in a few weeks (1st April) and if an extension is not signed off very soon the services will be operated by Directly Operated Railways for the interim.
Nope it has been confirmed!

The extensions were granted after the fiasco of Virgin Trains/West Coast Main Line.

In March 2013 the Secretary of State for Transport announced the Northern Rail franchise and First Transpennnine Express franchise would be further extended to 4 February 2016.

The most common mis-conception, although it may still happen, is that the two franchises become one!
[quote][p][bold]turtle2[/bold] wrote: BWFC71: It's a common misconception that Northern Rail and TransPennine have franchises expiring in 2016. 2016 is the start date of the next franchises and extensions to the current franchises have not been signed off. The Northern Rail franchise ends in a few weeks (1st April) and if an extension is not signed off very soon the services will be operated by Directly Operated Railways for the interim.[/p][/quote]Nope it has been confirmed! The extensions were granted after the fiasco of Virgin Trains/West Coast Main Line. In March 2013 the Secretary of State for Transport announced the Northern Rail franchise and First Transpennnine Express franchise would be further extended to 4 February 2016. The most common mis-conception, although it may still happen, is that the two franchises become one! BWFC71
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10:04am Mon 10 Mar 14

turtle2 says...

BWFC71: The franchise extensions haven't been confirmed. If you know otherwise please include a link to the confirmation on the DfT website which is where the announcement will first appear. Other extensions like the ones for First Great Western, Virgin Trains, Southeastern and First Capital Connect are there but nothing for Northern or TPE. Many of the ones mentioned were signed off only a matter of days before the franchise was set to expire.

The only thing that has been confirmed is that the new franchises for both Northern and TPE will start in 2016. In the last couple of weeks Northern Rail appointed a new person specifically to work on negotiating an extension with DfT, an extension of the current franchise without revising the terms doesn't suit either Northern or DfT.
BWFC71: The franchise extensions haven't been confirmed. If you know otherwise please include a link to the confirmation on the DfT website which is where the announcement will first appear. Other extensions like the ones for First Great Western, Virgin Trains, Southeastern and First Capital Connect are there but nothing for Northern or TPE. Many of the ones mentioned were signed off only a matter of days before the franchise was set to expire. The only thing that has been confirmed is that the new franchises for both Northern and TPE will start in 2016. In the last couple of weeks Northern Rail appointed a new person specifically to work on negotiating an extension with DfT, an extension of the current franchise without revising the terms doesn't suit either Northern or DfT. turtle2
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