Homes for sale on site of former Smithills Coaching House

An artist’s impression of the proposed development at Smithills Coaching House

An artist’s impression of the proposed development at Smithills Coaching House

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , politics reporter

HOMES set to be built at the former Smithills Coaching House site are now being advertised.

Potential homeowners interested in the controversial development can now register their interest.

Described as “the perfect blend of new and refurbished properties, ideal for those looking for something a little bit different”, there is, as yet, no price for the homes.

The Jones Homes website says: “Smithills Coaching House is a hidden gem, perfectly located in the beautiful surroundings of Smithills Country Park.

"The fabric of the refurbishment is a 17th century, Grade II listed coach house and stables, which once served the historic Smithills Hall.

"The coach house and stables will be lovingly converted into nine unique two, three and four bedroom homes, all positioned around a peaceful courtyard.”

It comes as developers, Jones Homes, has submitted new plans for the Grade-II building, which they say could stop unnecessary damage to the historic structure.

The firm was given permission to turn the popular former restaurant into eight homes in December, 2012, prompting anger from residents and heritage activists.

A further 21 homes have been granted permission to be built on surrounding protected green belt land.

After starting work on the site last summer, the company has now asked for permission to change the blueprint, after finding plans did not match the true state the building is in.

Under new proposals, architects Atelier MB said Jones Homes would not need to remove the stone roof or destroy the historic Ashlar stonework or timber framing in at least one of the new units.

In the application to the Bolton Council, Atelier MB said: “The fact that the building was full of cooking equipment, furniture both loose and fixed, structures to be demolished as being damaging interventions, and the inability to see inaccessible areas, meant that the proposals have had to be revisited.

“We have also identified areas where the approved proposals would have damaged the character of and/or the historic structure of the listed buildings.”

Smithills councillor Roger Hayes had battled against the initial development and argued that the additional 21 houses approved to be built on neighbouring countryside would set a dangerous precedent for the area.

Speaking about the most recent application he said: “As long as English Heritage have been consulted and are happy I don’t have a problem with it.

“This scheme looks to be an improvement on the original application.”

Describing the new plans, managing director of Jones Homes, Gary Hardy said another application was necessary to “improve the overall aesthetic of the refurbishment”.

He added: “While undertaking the demolition and soft strip works on site we have uncovered a number of items which we believe require an alternate treatment to better restore sensitively the listed building.”

Council planning officers will now examine the plans.

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7:52am Fri 21 Mar 14

questionairre says...

A further 21 homes have been granted permission to be built on surrounding protected green belt land.

Brown envelopes me thinks.
A further 21 homes have been granted permission to be built on surrounding protected green belt land. Brown envelopes me thinks. questionairre
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8:16am Fri 21 Mar 14

Jim271 says...

Vote Mr Morris and his corrupt council out this year.
Vote Mr Morris and his corrupt council out this year. Jim271
  • Score: 47

10:04am Fri 21 Mar 14

underwater says...

Jim271 wrote:
Vote Mr Morris and his corrupt council out this year.
I second that proposal.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Vote Mr Morris and his corrupt council out this year.[/p][/quote]I second that proposal. underwater
  • Score: 32

10:11am Fri 21 Mar 14

breightmet kid says...

From the artists impression it doesn't look like these properties are for the working class of Bolton and once again GREEN BELT land is being destroyed. What about all the BROWN LAND and derelict land we have in Bolton, cAn we not build here? If not, Why not?

House have been built on land at the top of Mobberley Road/Winchester Way on land which was given to the people of Breightmet as a place where their children could play. It became Breightmet Park and was one of the finest views of Bolton you could ever find. Not no more. Obviously our present councillors dont research the history and what's more don't care.
From the artists impression it doesn't look like these properties are for the working class of Bolton and once again GREEN BELT land is being destroyed. What about all the BROWN LAND and derelict land we have in Bolton, cAn we not build here? If not, Why not? House have been built on land at the top of Mobberley Road/Winchester Way on land which was given to the people of Breightmet as a place where their children could play. It became Breightmet Park and was one of the finest views of Bolton you could ever find. Not no more. Obviously our present councillors dont research the history and what's more don't care. breightmet kid
  • Score: 21

10:46am Fri 21 Mar 14

boltonnut says...

underwater wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Vote Mr Morris and his corrupt council out this year.
I second that proposal.
This is probably part of the FAT MAN"S retirement package.His work is almost done,there's not too much left in Bolton for him to screw up.
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Vote Mr Morris and his corrupt council out this year.[/p][/quote]I second that proposal.[/p][/quote]This is probably part of the FAT MAN"S retirement package.His work is almost done,there's not too much left in Bolton for him to screw up. boltonnut
  • Score: 29

12:03pm Fri 21 Mar 14

bwfc58 says...

I do hope UKIP have some one standing in Bolton this year as I will vote for them and if some people do not agree with me then you stick with Labour and watch Bolton go down hill but that is if there are any hills left as Labour will build more houses on them for more Immigrants now some of you will agree with me and some of you will not but them that do not I could not care less but I do for the people that do agree with me
I do hope UKIP have some one standing in Bolton this year as I will vote for them and if some people do not agree with me then you stick with Labour and watch Bolton go down hill but that is if there are any hills left as Labour will build more houses on them for more Immigrants now some of you will agree with me and some of you will not but them that do not I could not care less but I do for the people that do agree with me bwfc58
  • Score: 13

12:25pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

So much history fecked up in the Bolton clean swoop of Liebour BS.
So much history fecked up in the Bolton clean swoop of Liebour BS. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 16

1:22pm Fri 21 Mar 14

sallyupsteps says...

Since the bridge linking the Coaching House has been closed bus loads of children are being ferried up a cart track that is not fit for cars. Was the closure of the bridge pre planned to save inconvenience to the fat cats who will live in the future development. Also how long will it be before houses are built on the derelict garden centre site. The council are planning to close bowling greens yet the same department has lost eighteen years of revenue from this site alone. Get rid of all the time servers and the old boy network and vote in some one that has the welfare of Bolton at heart.
Since the bridge linking the Coaching House has been closed bus loads of children are being ferried up a cart track that is not fit for cars. Was the closure of the bridge pre planned to save inconvenience to the fat cats who will live in the future development. Also how long will it be before houses are built on the derelict garden centre site. The council are planning to close bowling greens yet the same department has lost eighteen years of revenue from this site alone. Get rid of all the time servers and the old boy network and vote in some one that has the welfare of Bolton at heart. sallyupsteps
  • Score: 22

2:15pm Fri 21 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Please make your deposit chqs to Mr C Morris care of Labour Bolton gravy train.
Please make your deposit chqs to Mr C Morris care of Labour Bolton gravy train. thomas222
  • Score: 18

3:50pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Vote Mr Morris and his corrupt council out this year.
Unfortunately Morris I safe for another 12 months as his ward isn't up for election until 2015!!!

But people will not and should not forget!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Vote Mr Morris and his corrupt council out this year.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately Morris I safe for another 12 months as his ward isn't up for election until 2015!!! But people will not and should not forget! BWFC71
  • Score: 19

4:21pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

bwfc58 wrote:
I do hope UKIP have some one standing in Bolton this year as I will vote for them and if some people do not agree with me then you stick with Labour and watch Bolton go down hill but that is if there are any hills left as Labour will build more houses on them for more Immigrants now some of you will agree with me and some of you will not but them that do not I could not care less but I do for the people that do agree with me
Definitely do not want UKIP - the unknown quantity just as much as LibDems were and look what they did, they sold off the Crown Jewel of the town centre - The Market Hall and closed schools especially when they were needed.

The only Council that had the town/borough at its heart whilst they had the run of the Council, I am sorry to say, were the Tories of the 1980's - they gave us Market Hall, Water Place, and the town centre expanded under the Tories, and look at all the summer activities they gave us, not only in the town centre but at Moss Bank Park, Queens Park, and massive infrastructure improvements to the roads and seriously helped put Bolton on the map considering we were in the shadows of Manchester!

Would the Tories have sold off Smithills Hall, Bolton College etc etc etc or would they have incorporated them into improved facilities for the community?

Problem we have are a whole bunch of Councillors (from ALL parties) who do not care about the ton and are just looking at their own bank balances and their on political careers - then you look at the Councillors in Bury, Wigan and even Manchester and they put our bunch of idiots to shame!!
[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: I do hope UKIP have some one standing in Bolton this year as I will vote for them and if some people do not agree with me then you stick with Labour and watch Bolton go down hill but that is if there are any hills left as Labour will build more houses on them for more Immigrants now some of you will agree with me and some of you will not but them that do not I could not care less but I do for the people that do agree with me[/p][/quote]Definitely do not want UKIP - the unknown quantity just as much as LibDems were and look what they did, they sold off the Crown Jewel of the town centre - The Market Hall and closed schools especially when they were needed. The only Council that had the town/borough at its heart whilst they had the run of the Council, I am sorry to say, were the Tories of the 1980's - they gave us Market Hall, Water Place, and the town centre expanded under the Tories, and look at all the summer activities they gave us, not only in the town centre but at Moss Bank Park, Queens Park, and massive infrastructure improvements to the roads and seriously helped put Bolton on the map considering we were in the shadows of Manchester! Would the Tories have sold off Smithills Hall, Bolton College etc etc etc or would they have incorporated them into improved facilities for the community? Problem we have are a whole bunch of Councillors (from ALL parties) who do not care about the ton and are just looking at their own bank balances and their on political careers - then you look at the Councillors in Bury, Wigan and even Manchester and they put our bunch of idiots to shame!! BWFC71
  • Score: 20

4:49pm Fri 21 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
bwfc58 wrote: I do hope UKIP have some one standing in Bolton this year as I will vote for them and if some people do not agree with me then you stick with Labour and watch Bolton go down hill but that is if there are any hills left as Labour will build more houses on them for more Immigrants now some of you will agree with me and some of you will not but them that do not I could not care less but I do for the people that do agree with me
Definitely do not want UKIP - the unknown quantity just as much as LibDems were and look what they did, they sold off the Crown Jewel of the town centre - The Market Hall and closed schools especially when they were needed. The only Council that had the town/borough at its heart whilst they had the run of the Council, I am sorry to say, were the Tories of the 1980's - they gave us Market Hall, Water Place, and the town centre expanded under the Tories, and look at all the summer activities they gave us, not only in the town centre but at Moss Bank Park, Queens Park, and massive infrastructure improvements to the roads and seriously helped put Bolton on the map considering we were in the shadows of Manchester! Would the Tories have sold off Smithills Hall, Bolton College etc etc etc or would they have incorporated them into improved facilities for the community? Problem we have are a whole bunch of Councillors (from ALL parties) who do not care about the ton and are just looking at their own bank balances and their on political careers - then you look at the Councillors in Bury, Wigan and even Manchester and they put our bunch of idiots to shame!!
If you dont want more of the same then vote for UKIP. Insanity is doing something the same way time & again & expecting a different result. Thats what you will get from the main 3 gravy train parties.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: I do hope UKIP have some one standing in Bolton this year as I will vote for them and if some people do not agree with me then you stick with Labour and watch Bolton go down hill but that is if there are any hills left as Labour will build more houses on them for more Immigrants now some of you will agree with me and some of you will not but them that do not I could not care less but I do for the people that do agree with me[/p][/quote]Definitely do not want UKIP - the unknown quantity just as much as LibDems were and look what they did, they sold off the Crown Jewel of the town centre - The Market Hall and closed schools especially when they were needed. The only Council that had the town/borough at its heart whilst they had the run of the Council, I am sorry to say, were the Tories of the 1980's - they gave us Market Hall, Water Place, and the town centre expanded under the Tories, and look at all the summer activities they gave us, not only in the town centre but at Moss Bank Park, Queens Park, and massive infrastructure improvements to the roads and seriously helped put Bolton on the map considering we were in the shadows of Manchester! Would the Tories have sold off Smithills Hall, Bolton College etc etc etc or would they have incorporated them into improved facilities for the community? Problem we have are a whole bunch of Councillors (from ALL parties) who do not care about the ton and are just looking at their own bank balances and their on political careers - then you look at the Councillors in Bury, Wigan and even Manchester and they put our bunch of idiots to shame!![/p][/quote]If you dont want more of the same then vote for UKIP. Insanity is doing something the same way time & again & expecting a different result. Thats what you will get from the main 3 gravy train parties. thomas222
  • Score: 5

5:10pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Prices unconfirmed http://www.jones-hom
es.co.uk/new-homes/B
olton/124/Smithills_
Coaching_House/overv
iew

Hmmmmm what are the bets a two bed will start at around £300k?
Prices unconfirmed http://www.jones-hom es.co.uk/new-homes/B olton/124/Smithills_ Coaching_House/overv iew Hmmmmm what are the bets a two bed will start at around £300k? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 10

5:25pm Fri 21 Mar 14

stantheman133 says...

Absolute sacrilidge what has happened to the coaching house, only Bolton councillars could do this, no doubt for a golden handshake or two.
Absolute sacrilidge what has happened to the coaching house, only Bolton councillars could do this, no doubt for a golden handshake or two. stantheman133
  • Score: 9

5:39pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
bwfc58 wrote: I do hope UKIP have some one standing in Bolton this year as I will vote for them and if some people do not agree with me then you stick with Labour and watch Bolton go down hill but that is if there are any hills left as Labour will build more houses on them for more Immigrants now some of you will agree with me and some of you will not but them that do not I could not care less but I do for the people that do agree with me
Definitely do not want UKIP - the unknown quantity just as much as LibDems were and look what they did, they sold off the Crown Jewel of the town centre - The Market Hall and closed schools especially when they were needed. The only Council that had the town/borough at its heart whilst they had the run of the Council, I am sorry to say, were the Tories of the 1980's - they gave us Market Hall, Water Place, and the town centre expanded under the Tories, and look at all the summer activities they gave us, not only in the town centre but at Moss Bank Park, Queens Park, and massive infrastructure improvements to the roads and seriously helped put Bolton on the map considering we were in the shadows of Manchester! Would the Tories have sold off Smithills Hall, Bolton College etc etc etc or would they have incorporated them into improved facilities for the community? Problem we have are a whole bunch of Councillors (from ALL parties) who do not care about the ton and are just looking at their own bank balances and their on political careers - then you look at the Councillors in Bury, Wigan and even Manchester and they put our bunch of idiots to shame!!
If you dont want more of the same then vote for UKIP. Insanity is doing something the same way time & again & expecting a different result. Thats what you will get from the main 3 gravy train parties.
What can the UKIP do differently "locally" compared to what the two other main parties, Labour and LibDems, have done in the last 15 years?

Conservatives Councillors are the only ones who dragged this town up, and beyond, from the shadows of Manchester and that was during the 1980's and 1990's
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: I do hope UKIP have some one standing in Bolton this year as I will vote for them and if some people do not agree with me then you stick with Labour and watch Bolton go down hill but that is if there are any hills left as Labour will build more houses on them for more Immigrants now some of you will agree with me and some of you will not but them that do not I could not care less but I do for the people that do agree with me[/p][/quote]Definitely do not want UKIP - the unknown quantity just as much as LibDems were and look what they did, they sold off the Crown Jewel of the town centre - The Market Hall and closed schools especially when they were needed. The only Council that had the town/borough at its heart whilst they had the run of the Council, I am sorry to say, were the Tories of the 1980's - they gave us Market Hall, Water Place, and the town centre expanded under the Tories, and look at all the summer activities they gave us, not only in the town centre but at Moss Bank Park, Queens Park, and massive infrastructure improvements to the roads and seriously helped put Bolton on the map considering we were in the shadows of Manchester! Would the Tories have sold off Smithills Hall, Bolton College etc etc etc or would they have incorporated them into improved facilities for the community? Problem we have are a whole bunch of Councillors (from ALL parties) who do not care about the ton and are just looking at their own bank balances and their on political careers - then you look at the Councillors in Bury, Wigan and even Manchester and they put our bunch of idiots to shame!![/p][/quote]If you dont want more of the same then vote for UKIP. Insanity is doing something the same way time & again & expecting a different result. Thats what you will get from the main 3 gravy train parties.[/p][/quote]What can the UKIP do differently "locally" compared to what the two other main parties, Labour and LibDems, have done in the last 15 years? Conservatives Councillors are the only ones who dragged this town up, and beyond, from the shadows of Manchester and that was during the 1980's and 1990's BWFC71
  • Score: 4

5:41pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections!

As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May? BWFC71
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Fri 21 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history. thomas222
  • Score: 3

7:04pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme).

Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!!

Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality.

But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.[/p][/quote]To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU! BWFC71
  • Score: -2

7:15pm Fri 21 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU!
From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.[/p][/quote]To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU![/p][/quote]From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time. thomas222
  • Score: 5

9:30pm Fri 21 Mar 14

smiley111 says...

Whats happening to the haunted stagecoaches?
Whats happening to the haunted stagecoaches? smiley111
  • Score: 4

5:57am Sat 22 Mar 14

chris25 says...

what next hall ith wood museum converted into apartments .i would not even be shocked .
what next hall ith wood museum converted into apartments .i would not even be shocked . chris25
  • Score: 4

8:21am Sat 22 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU!
From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.
Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!!

How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.[/p][/quote]To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU![/p][/quote]From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.[/p][/quote]Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues? BWFC71
  • Score: -1

8:28am Sat 22 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU!
From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.
Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?
19 Labour & tory Cllrs have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many dozens more all over the Country have also. UKIP may do better than you think but we will have to wait & see instead of guessing.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.[/p][/quote]To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU![/p][/quote]From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.[/p][/quote]Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?[/p][/quote]19 Labour & tory Cllrs have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many dozens more all over the Country have also. UKIP may do better than you think but we will have to wait & see instead of guessing. thomas222
  • Score: 3

8:29am Sat 22 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU!
From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.
Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?
19 Cllrs in London alone i meant....
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.[/p][/quote]To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU![/p][/quote]From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.[/p][/quote]Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?[/p][/quote]19 Cllrs in London alone i meant.... thomas222
  • Score: 1

5:12pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU!
From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.
Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!!

How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?
How will UKIP win votes - Like Labour, do they will point to all the bad things at Westminster, tell us what they are doing wrong, but won't say how to put it right.. As usual the public will vote on National politics and not local politics as there is nothing in the pamphlets to reflect what is going on locally and they're encouraged to think this way by the media, including the local media, who will see this as an indication of who will win the next election and extrapolate the data from there.

UKIP will declare a triumph, Labour will too, Lib Dems will take a hammering and the Tories will try to persuade us that they're on course for another election win and any defeat was to be expected under the circumstances.

I'm assuming that being in Westhoughton South, I won't hear from anybody other than Labour and the Lib Dems. To be fair to Mr Wilkinson, he works really hard on behalf of the ward, I wish I could say that about other Councillors in Bolton.

Nevertheless the most I will get to hear is complaints about what is happening in Bolton, like dog mess, pot holes in roads, but generally it will be about national issues
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.[/p][/quote]To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU![/p][/quote]From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.[/p][/quote]Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?[/p][/quote]How will UKIP win votes - Like Labour, do they will point to all the bad things at Westminster, tell us what they are doing wrong, but won't say how to put it right.. As usual the public will vote on National politics and not local politics as there is nothing in the pamphlets to reflect what is going on locally and they're encouraged to think this way by the media, including the local media, who will see this as an indication of who will win the next election and extrapolate the data from there. UKIP will declare a triumph, Labour will too, Lib Dems will take a hammering and the Tories will try to persuade us that they're on course for another election win and any defeat was to be expected under the circumstances. I'm assuming that being in Westhoughton South, I won't hear from anybody other than Labour and the Lib Dems. To be fair to Mr Wilkinson, he works really hard on behalf of the ward, I wish I could say that about other Councillors in Bolton. Nevertheless the most I will get to hear is complaints about what is happening in Bolton, like dog mess, pot holes in roads, but generally it will be about national issues Ernagy2
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

Getting back to the former Smithills coaching house, it's a shame that a 'Last Drop' type village couldn't have been created with a Dickensian theme. The former Restaurant doing Cream teas or something. It was a big shame they shut the garden centre down as well, as I'm sure that contributed to each others business.
Getting back to the former Smithills coaching house, it's a shame that a 'Last Drop' type village couldn't have been created with a Dickensian theme. The former Restaurant doing Cream teas or something. It was a big shame they shut the garden centre down as well, as I'm sure that contributed to each others business. Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

7:42pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU!
From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.
Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?
How will UKIP win votes - Like Labour, do they will point to all the bad things at Westminster, tell us what they are doing wrong, but won't say how to put it right.. As usual the public will vote on National politics and not local politics as there is nothing in the pamphlets to reflect what is going on locally and they're encouraged to think this way by the media, including the local media, who will see this as an indication of who will win the next election and extrapolate the data from there. UKIP will declare a triumph, Labour will too, Lib Dems will take a hammering and the Tories will try to persuade us that they're on course for another election win and any defeat was to be expected under the circumstances. I'm assuming that being in Westhoughton South, I won't hear from anybody other than Labour and the Lib Dems. To be fair to Mr Wilkinson, he works really hard on behalf of the ward, I wish I could say that about other Councillors in Bolton. Nevertheless the most I will get to hear is complaints about what is happening in Bolton, like dog mess, pot holes in roads, but generally it will be about national issues
Who are you voting for or is that secret ?
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.[/p][/quote]To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU![/p][/quote]From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.[/p][/quote]Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?[/p][/quote]How will UKIP win votes - Like Labour, do they will point to all the bad things at Westminster, tell us what they are doing wrong, but won't say how to put it right.. As usual the public will vote on National politics and not local politics as there is nothing in the pamphlets to reflect what is going on locally and they're encouraged to think this way by the media, including the local media, who will see this as an indication of who will win the next election and extrapolate the data from there. UKIP will declare a triumph, Labour will too, Lib Dems will take a hammering and the Tories will try to persuade us that they're on course for another election win and any defeat was to be expected under the circumstances. I'm assuming that being in Westhoughton South, I won't hear from anybody other than Labour and the Lib Dems. To be fair to Mr Wilkinson, he works really hard on behalf of the ward, I wish I could say that about other Councillors in Bolton. Nevertheless the most I will get to hear is complaints about what is happening in Bolton, like dog mess, pot holes in roads, but generally it will be about national issues[/p][/quote]Who are you voting for or is that secret ? thomas222
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8:40pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?
Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.
To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU!
From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.
Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?
How will UKIP win votes - Like Labour, do they will point to all the bad things at Westminster, tell us what they are doing wrong, but won't say how to put it right.. As usual the public will vote on National politics and not local politics as there is nothing in the pamphlets to reflect what is going on locally and they're encouraged to think this way by the media, including the local media, who will see this as an indication of who will win the next election and extrapolate the data from there. UKIP will declare a triumph, Labour will too, Lib Dems will take a hammering and the Tories will try to persuade us that they're on course for another election win and any defeat was to be expected under the circumstances. I'm assuming that being in Westhoughton South, I won't hear from anybody other than Labour and the Lib Dems. To be fair to Mr Wilkinson, he works really hard on behalf of the ward, I wish I could say that about other Councillors in Bolton. Nevertheless the most I will get to hear is complaints about what is happening in Bolton, like dog mess, pot holes in roads, but generally it will be about national issues
Who are you voting for or is that secret ?
To be honest mate my vote is up for grabs. I'm going to have to be persuaded and right now I feel like voting "none of these".
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But also lets not forget, Thomas222, that only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs so even if UKIP did do well it wouldn't remove Labour from power in these elections! As you are a member of UKIP, can you please advise as to how many people UKIP are putting forward in the locals? Will be one per ward that are up for grabs in May?[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh but im sure they will challenge everything that comes up. Two elections from now they will be massive & the Liedems will be history.[/p][/quote]To be fair LibDems will only start making a comeback when they get rid of Clegg - but the biggest problem for UKIP are the Conservatives who are now fighting back for votes with the majority of UKIP voters who are male and at the higher age bracket close to retirement - basically the "Grumpy Old Men" brigade (as per the old BBC2 programme). Problem with UKIP is that it is a one man show - when Farage stepped down previously they lost over 70% of the members. The question has to be asked would it happen again or do they have a leader, on the sidelines, that is as arrogant, but good orator as Farage. As I say I don't like UKIP because they do not actually have any decent policies for the common man as the policies they do have favour Bankers and Big Businesses (which is basically Farage's background) whilst taxing the common man even more than what the Tories do at moment, and as been shown on last week's The Sunday Politics and previously on Question Time even Farage doesn't know his own parties policies!!! Also lets not forget that in the last elections held in Bolton The Conservatives not only held on to their seat but actually improved their result. Yes UKIP did outperform Libems which is no surprise but also lets not forget that if they do overtake LibDems then they will only have about between 8% and 14% of the overall vote being a 3rd party in politics - not enough to create problems, even if they did help to form a coalition. That's the reality. But the National party is not the same as the Local party! Therefore it is useless to say UKIP will do this that and the other, based upon the National policies as, locally, the issues are totally different! A local UKIP Councillor cannot pull the UK out of the EU![/p][/quote]From small acorns grow mighty oaks. The UKIP voter is across the spectrum and many no voters. The polices are not out yet & the myth that ukip get grumpy old men from the torys is not correct as ukips recent poll showed. We will soon find out what people are thinking in this Town. Many will be shocked when ukip show next time.[/p][/quote]Look UKI have an election in less than 6 weeks and you say their policies are not yet out!!! What are UKIP canvassing wit then? Already had a pamphlet shoved through the door which after a brief red and a laugh because all they stated was askewed truths - but no policies mentioned!! What UKIP seem to be relying on is that one policy of coming out of the EU - that will NOT happen with local councillors but there was nothing in the pamphlet with regards to local issues!!!!! How do UKIP expect to win votes when they are not talking about local issues?[/p][/quote]How will UKIP win votes - Like Labour, do they will point to all the bad things at Westminster, tell us what they are doing wrong, but won't say how to put it right.. As usual the public will vote on National politics and not local politics as there is nothing in the pamphlets to reflect what is going on locally and they're encouraged to think this way by the media, including the local media, who will see this as an indication of who will win the next election and extrapolate the data from there. UKIP will declare a triumph, Labour will too, Lib Dems will take a hammering and the Tories will try to persuade us that they're on course for another election win and any defeat was to be expected under the circumstances. I'm assuming that being in Westhoughton South, I won't hear from anybody other than Labour and the Lib Dems. To be fair to Mr Wilkinson, he works really hard on behalf of the ward, I wish I could say that about other Councillors in Bolton. Nevertheless the most I will get to hear is complaints about what is happening in Bolton, like dog mess, pot holes in roads, but generally it will be about national issues[/p][/quote]Who are you voting for or is that secret ?[/p][/quote]To be honest mate my vote is up for grabs. I'm going to have to be persuaded and right now I feel like voting "none of these". Ernagy2
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10:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Bolton Council are a disgrace!!!!
Bolton Council are a disgrace!!!! FreedomOfSpeech1945
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