Is Bolton ready to take full advantage of HS2?

The Bolton News: Baroness Kramer (centre) officially receives the ‘High Speed 2: Get Ready’ report from Sir Howard Bernstein (left) and Matthew Colledge (right) Baroness Kramer (centre) officially receives the ‘High Speed 2: Get Ready’ report from Sir Howard Bernstein (left) and Matthew Colledge (right)

BOLTON needs to get ready for high speed rail or risk being left on the platform, advocates of HS2 have warned.

The HS2 Growth taskforce, which includes the leaders of Manchester and Trafford councils plus figures from the private sector, met at Manchester Piccadilly today to lay out their recommendations for how the projects can drive regeneration in the north.

In its report to the Government, the group has argued that young people across Greater Manchester, including Bolton, could and should benefit from the creation of 25,000 jobs.

Bolton businesses also need to gear up to win the £25 billion worth of contracts that HS2 will generate, to make sure the wealth is spread across the country.

Minister of State for Transport Baroness Susan Kramer said a strong and successful rail connection between Manchester and Bolton was vital if the town was to benefit.

She added: “There’s going to be a massive opportunity and we must make sure that these jobs are available to local people.

“We need so many skills, they are not going to come out of just one place.

“And in the meantime Bolton businesses need to be looking at how they can take advantage.”

Sir Howard Bernstein, chief executive of Manchester City Council and deputy chairman of the taskforce, said the completion of the Northern Hub would help Bolton benefit from HS2.

He added that the representatives from Greater Manchester on the Taskforce were working towards the benefits of the region, not just Manchester city centre.

“A thriving Bolton town centre, aided by the new Bolton Interchange, is very important not just for the people who live and work in Bolton, but for Greater Manchester as a whole,” he said.

Sean Harriss, chief executive of Bolton Council, said while there was no dedicated HS2 team within Bolton Council, the authority was involved through its membership of the Greater Manchester Combined Authority.

He added that they would look to link with Bolton colleges and businesses to help them get the most of the building of HS2.

He added: “We’re now moving into a different phase of the project which is the whole point of the taskforce — to see how local businesses and local people can benefit from the growth.

“The big priority for the council is to help and support creating jobs in Bolton. But obviously Bolton is part of a huge city region so we also want to maximise the benefits for Bolton people as well, even if the jobs aren’t in the town.”

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3:01pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Darren1951 says...

HS2? And what about some realistic investment in the existing railway infrastructure and, dare I mention it, extra NEW rolling stock? Or is the running down of Bolton as a transport part and parcel of some New World Order conspiracy?
HS2? And what about some realistic investment in the existing railway infrastructure and, dare I mention it, extra NEW rolling stock? Or is the running down of Bolton as a transport part and parcel of some New World Order conspiracy? Darren1951
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3:03pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Darren1951 says...

should have said, "transport centre" - mea culpa!
should have said, "transport centre" - mea culpa! Darren1951
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3:45pm Fri 21 Mar 14

AndrewMartinS says...

It's great to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on improved infrastructure and jobs in the North West.
Less glamorous but also important is the millions invested in the Northern Hub, which amongst other things connects Manchester Piccadilly and Victoria.
It's great to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on improved infrastructure and jobs in the North West. Less glamorous but also important is the millions invested in the Northern Hub, which amongst other things connects Manchester Piccadilly and Victoria. AndrewMartinS
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4:17pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Hulton Park says...

Bolton needs to gear up for HS2 by opposing it with every fibre in its being.

The whole idea is a disaster for anywhere in the NW outside the magic triangle of Manchester and its E Cheshire hinterland.

As ever: beware the "all Greater Manchester will benefit" argument that has proved so empty time and time again.

it's about Manchester, stupid.
Bolton needs to gear up for HS2 by opposing it with every fibre in its being. The whole idea is a disaster for anywhere in the NW outside the magic triangle of Manchester and its E Cheshire hinterland. As ever: beware the "all Greater Manchester will benefit" argument that has proved so empty time and time again. it's about Manchester, stupid. Hulton Park
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4:32pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Firstly I wholly support the HS2 programme.

Our inter-city services are running on railway lines that were created during the Victoria era and as such the traffic that uses the rails is nowhere near as much as present day usage therefore new fast lines have to be built - just like in any other "western" civilised world - Spain has them, so do Portugal, France, Belgium, The Netherlands etc etc etc.

What this will do is then free up much needed space of the overcrowded lines to help support the ever increase rail usage.

With regards to investment in local railways - yes it is desperately needed and t should be forthcoming instead of the South east getting the majority - lets not forget that the Leeds Manchester line was the very first passengers railway line in the world and it is only no getting electrified!!!!!

But investment means electrification of ALL lines locally and not just a selected few as that is what is happening. But also new need a whole new fleet and I don't mean 25+year old hand-me-downs from Thameslink. the perfect trains, to be fair would be the Siemens-Bombardier SLT's which the Dutch use on quite a lot of the "local" lines and are 3 or 4 coach trains and can be coupled up!

One urgent matter that needs upmost consideration NOW and not later is the replacement of the 80 Class 142 units plus the replacement of Class 143's as well which are non-DDA compliant and have to be replaced by January 2019 - therefore they need ordering now to start drip-feeding into the network from 2017 (yes it does take that long from ordering, building, testing and then training drivers before entering service).

But unfortunately all the above in a "dream" world would be happening at the same time - reality is it is going to take about 20-30 years before we get a fully modern railway network here in the North West!!
Firstly I wholly support the HS2 programme. Our inter-city services are running on railway lines that were created during the Victoria era and as such the traffic that uses the rails is nowhere near as much as present day usage therefore new fast lines have to be built - just like in any other "western" civilised world - Spain has them, so do Portugal, France, Belgium, The Netherlands etc etc etc. What this will do is then free up much needed space of the overcrowded lines to help support the ever increase rail usage. With regards to investment in local railways - yes it is desperately needed and t should be forthcoming instead of the South east getting the majority - lets not forget that the Leeds Manchester line was the very first passengers railway line in the world and it is only no getting electrified!!!!! But investment means electrification of ALL lines locally and not just a selected few as that is what is happening. But also new need a whole new fleet and I don't mean 25+year old hand-me-downs from Thameslink. the perfect trains, to be fair would be the Siemens-Bombardier SLT's which the Dutch use on quite a lot of the "local" lines and are 3 or 4 coach trains and can be coupled up! One urgent matter that needs upmost consideration NOW and not later is the replacement of the 80 Class 142 units plus the replacement of Class 143's as well which are non-DDA compliant and have to be replaced by January 2019 - therefore they need ordering now to start drip-feeding into the network from 2017 (yes it does take that long from ordering, building, testing and then training drivers before entering service). But unfortunately all the above in a "dream" world would be happening at the same time - reality is it is going to take about 20-30 years before we get a fully modern railway network here in the North West!! BWFC71
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4:35pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Error

I said the first passenger railway was Leeds Manchester - it wasn't it was Liverpool-Manchester (I had Leeds on the brain whilst typing)!!!
Error I said the first passenger railway was Leeds Manchester - it wasn't it was Liverpool-Manchester (I had Leeds on the brain whilst typing)!!! BWFC71
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4:57pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Darren1951 says...

BWFC71 - all silliness aside, could you PLEASE make some effort to keep your postings a bit more concise? You're repeating some points that you (and, admittedly, others) have already mentioned on other threads, more than once and quite recently. Repeatedly regurgitating the same material at great length doesn't exactly enhance your credibility.
BWFC71 - all silliness aside, could you PLEASE make some effort to keep your postings a bit more concise? You're repeating some points that you (and, admittedly, others) have already mentioned on other threads, more than once and quite recently. Repeatedly regurgitating the same material at great length doesn't exactly enhance your credibility. Darren1951
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5:45pm Fri 21 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Darren 1951 to put concise what is actually required and what is actually happening with regards to HS2 is not possible as all factors have to be included and to show that whatever anyone or everyone wants it basically financially or physically not possible and as such I give reasons and examples which makes it clearer.

Also lets not forget that casual readers do come online and read the comments and may not read all comments from all, or related, news reports.
Darren 1951 to put concise what is actually required and what is actually happening with regards to HS2 is not possible as all factors have to be included and to show that whatever anyone or everyone wants it basically financially or physically not possible and as such I give reasons and examples which makes it clearer. Also lets not forget that casual readers do come online and read the comments and may not read all comments from all, or related, news reports. BWFC71
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6:15pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Darren1951 says...

"Also lets not forget that casual readers do come online and read the comments and may not read all comments from all, or related, news reports"
OK., but I think it's a fair bet that most of those taking a particular interest in what happens (or what doesn't happen) to the local railways will already have read most or all of the associated articles. Plus, if there's any need to refer to those articles, why not just include a link, instead of repeating stuff verbatim? Plus, a little less frequent use of the "quote" button (and not just by you) would make many threads far easier to follow. Even when someone has very strongly held views on an issue, when they're confronted by an article which is two screens deep, or even longer, interest can very quickly wane.
"Also lets not forget that casual readers do come online and read the comments and may not read all comments from all, or related, news reports" OK., but I think it's a fair bet that most of those taking a particular interest in what happens (or what doesn't happen) to the local railways will already have read most or all of the associated articles. Plus, if there's any need to refer to those articles, why not just include a link, instead of repeating stuff verbatim? Plus, a little less frequent use of the "quote" button (and not just by you) would make many threads far easier to follow. Even when someone has very strongly held views on an issue, when they're confronted by an article which is two screens deep, or even longer, interest can very quickly wane. Darren1951
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7:51pm Fri 21 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

I would love it if the old steam trains came back with the individual compartments, they may be slower but were more pleasurable in travel.

HS2 remember will destroy part of the countryside and houses will be compulsory purchased. .
I would love it if the old steam trains came back with the individual compartments, they may be slower but were more pleasurable in travel. HS2 remember will destroy part of the countryside and houses will be compulsory purchased. . holloway_david
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9:21pm Fri 21 Mar 14

NorthStart says...

Do have a look at the map: HS2's speed-first route to Birmingham risks adding that city and its airport to the London mega-economy, worsening the economic divide for any stops after that.
After dashing speed-first to Birmingham, HS2 has one 90+ mile fork to Manchester and another one to Leeds, but neither fork will deliver what the trans-Pennine economy needs: a fast link to halve the rail time and double the capacity between the two centres.

However, HS2 Plan B aims to meet these and other HS2 shortcomings:

http://hsnorthstart.
wordpress....

Starting North-first, with a fast link between Leeds and Manchester Victoria, Plan B would open a Northern Cities Crossrail and refresh the stations that HS2 will not, Bolton included.
Do have a look at the map: HS2's speed-first route to Birmingham risks adding that city and its airport to the London mega-economy, worsening the economic divide for any stops after that. After dashing speed-first to Birmingham, HS2 has one 90+ mile fork to Manchester and another one to Leeds, but neither fork will deliver what the trans-Pennine economy needs: a fast link to halve the rail time and double the capacity between the two centres. However, HS2 Plan B aims to meet these and other HS2 shortcomings: http://hsnorthstart. wordpress.... Starting North-first, with a fast link between Leeds and Manchester Victoria, Plan B would open a Northern Cities Crossrail and refresh the stations that HS2 will not, Bolton included. NorthStart
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9:37pm Sat 22 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
I would love it if the old steam trains came back with the individual compartments, they may be slower but were more pleasurable in travel. HS2 remember will destroy part of the countryside and houses will be compulsory purchased. .
Just as much as the old Victorian lines, which are still being used today, did, as well as the canals and the motorways. But we need to something as the old Victorian lines are no longer fit for purpose in today's world, and are full to capacity.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: I would love it if the old steam trains came back with the individual compartments, they may be slower but were more pleasurable in travel. HS2 remember will destroy part of the countryside and houses will be compulsory purchased. .[/p][/quote]Just as much as the old Victorian lines, which are still being used today, did, as well as the canals and the motorways. But we need to something as the old Victorian lines are no longer fit for purpose in today's world, and are full to capacity. BWFC71
  • Score: 1

11:52pm Sat 22 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

NorthStart wrote:
Do have a look at the map: HS2's speed-first route to Birmingham risks adding that city and its airport to the London mega-economy, worsening the economic divide for any stops after that. After dashing speed-first to Birmingham, HS2 has one 90+ mile fork to Manchester and another one to Leeds, but neither fork will deliver what the trans-Pennine economy needs: a fast link to halve the rail time and double the capacity between the two centres. However, HS2 Plan B aims to meet these and other HS2 shortcomings: http://hsnorthstart. wordpress.... Starting North-first, with a fast link between Leeds and Manchester Victoria, Plan B would open a Northern Cities Crossrail and refresh the stations that HS2 will not, Bolton included.
But Holme Tunnel is being reconstructed to help with more traffic as wel as electrification meaning faster trains thus freeing up more space to create more services between the cities.

In fact the first major part of the electrification is that of the worlds first passenger line between Manchester and Liverpool which will connect to also newly electrified line between Manchester and Leeds not just on one route, which iss already established, but also via Victoria and Rochdale

UK's problem with the railways goes back to the axing of so many lines from the Beeching report. If that hadn't taken place then we would have more than 1 line to London, more than 2 lines to Leeds and Sheffield and be able to carry more traffic that what the current network can do currently! Plus, unlike the mainland, we didn't bother to start a true electrification programme and kept with the cheaper steam/diesel - not cheap anymore!!!
[quote][p][bold]NorthStart[/bold] wrote: Do have a look at the map: HS2's speed-first route to Birmingham risks adding that city and its airport to the London mega-economy, worsening the economic divide for any stops after that. After dashing speed-first to Birmingham, HS2 has one 90+ mile fork to Manchester and another one to Leeds, but neither fork will deliver what the trans-Pennine economy needs: a fast link to halve the rail time and double the capacity between the two centres. However, HS2 Plan B aims to meet these and other HS2 shortcomings: http://hsnorthstart. wordpress.... Starting North-first, with a fast link between Leeds and Manchester Victoria, Plan B would open a Northern Cities Crossrail and refresh the stations that HS2 will not, Bolton included.[/p][/quote]But Holme Tunnel is being reconstructed to help with more traffic as wel as electrification meaning faster trains thus freeing up more space to create more services between the cities. In fact the first major part of the electrification is that of the worlds first passenger line between Manchester and Liverpool which will connect to also newly electrified line between Manchester and Leeds not just on one route, which iss already established, but also via Victoria and Rochdale UK's problem with the railways goes back to the axing of so many lines from the Beeching report. If that hadn't taken place then we would have more than 1 line to London, more than 2 lines to Leeds and Sheffield and be able to carry more traffic that what the current network can do currently! Plus, unlike the mainland, we didn't bother to start a true electrification programme and kept with the cheaper steam/diesel - not cheap anymore!!! BWFC71
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3:27pm Sun 23 Mar 14

NorthStart says...

"In fact the first major part of the electrification is that of the worlds first passenger line between Manchester and Liverpool.."

So, when completed, that will be an electrified Victorian line between two of our biggest cities. But Londoners will be using their new, high capacity Crossrail and Boris will be rooting for Crossrail 2. Go figger.
"In fact the first major part of the electrification is that of the worlds first passenger line between Manchester and Liverpool.." So, when completed, that will be an electrified Victorian line between two of our biggest cities. But Londoners will be using their new, high capacity Crossrail and Boris will be rooting for Crossrail 2. Go figger. NorthStart
  • Score: 1

4:03pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

NorthStart wrote:
"In fact the first major part of the electrification is that of the worlds first passenger line between Manchester and Liverpool.." So, when completed, that will be an electrified Victorian line between two of our biggest cities. But Londoners will be using their new, high capacity Crossrail and Boris will be rooting for Crossrail 2. Go figger.
Not just that but Northern Rail were promised 6 electric Trains from one of the London TOC's as that company were getting 6 news ones - guess what? That has changed were are now only getting 3 of the electric trains whilst the TOC are getting their new 6 trains and keeping 3 of the ones we were supposedly getting - therefore they get even more trains whilst the North suffers even more!!!
[quote][p][bold]NorthStart[/bold] wrote: "In fact the first major part of the electrification is that of the worlds first passenger line between Manchester and Liverpool.." So, when completed, that will be an electrified Victorian line between two of our biggest cities. But Londoners will be using their new, high capacity Crossrail and Boris will be rooting for Crossrail 2. Go figger.[/p][/quote]Not just that but Northern Rail were promised 6 electric Trains from one of the London TOC's as that company were getting 6 news ones - guess what? That has changed were are now only getting 3 of the electric trains whilst the TOC are getting their new 6 trains and keeping 3 of the ones we were supposedly getting - therefore they get even more trains whilst the North suffers even more!!! BWFC71
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