Expect a "political earthquake" says UKIP deputy leader Paul Nuttall during Bolton visit

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Expect a "political earthquake" says UKIP deputy leader Paul Nuttall during Bolton visit

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THE deputy leader of UKIP has proclaimed a 'political earthquake' is on the way ahead of this year's European elections during a public meeting in Bolton.

Paul Nuttall, one of the north west's MEPs, took part in a UKIP public meeting held on Monday night at Bolton Cricket Club.

During the event he discussed immigration, scrapping Britain's foreign aid budget, withdrawing the country from the European Court of Human Right and defended his voting record in Brussels.

He also confirmed 18 UKIP candidates will stand in wards in Bolton at this May's local elections.

See Wednesday's Bolton News for a full round up of the meeting.

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8:25am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Very good meeting & its happening.
Very good meeting & its happening. thomas222
  • Score: 16

8:32am Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!!

So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!!
But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -52

8:41am Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds.

Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper"

Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt? BWFC71
  • Score: -26

8:42am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!!
Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!![/p][/quote]Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them.. thomas222
  • Score: 15

8:47am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?[/p][/quote]Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already. thomas222
  • Score: 22

8:51am Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!!
Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..
But the councillors have NO say whatsoever about being a member of the U as there are only 2 ways of leaving the EU - by expulsion 9if all other 27 member countries agree) or by application from the Government (in case of the UK from Westminster). Therefore a vote for UKIP councillor to get out of EU is a wasted vote as it cannot happen!!!

Yes they have, I have had pamphlets through in last few weeks with what they are proposing locally and I even posted the brief outlines on the other thread, yesterday!!! Only one missing was UKIPs!!! The national political party websites will not carry them as they are national websites and not individual local sites!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!![/p][/quote]Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..[/p][/quote]But the councillors have NO say whatsoever about being a member of the U as there are only 2 ways of leaving the EU - by expulsion 9if all other 27 member countries agree) or by application from the Government (in case of the UK from Westminster). Therefore a vote for UKIP councillor to get out of EU is a wasted vote as it cannot happen!!! Yes they have, I have had pamphlets through in last few weeks with what they are proposing locally and I even posted the brief outlines on the other thread, yesterday!!! Only one missing was UKIPs!!! The national political party websites will not carry them as they are national websites and not individual local sites!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -28

8:53am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!!
Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..
But the councillors have NO say whatsoever about being a member of the U as there are only 2 ways of leaving the EU - by expulsion 9if all other 27 member countries agree) or by application from the Government (in case of the UK from Westminster). Therefore a vote for UKIP councillor to get out of EU is a wasted vote as it cannot happen!!! Yes they have, I have had pamphlets through in last few weeks with what they are proposing locally and I even posted the brief outlines on the other thread, yesterday!!! Only one missing was UKIPs!!! The national political party websites will not carry them as they are national websites and not individual local sites!!!
All good things to he that waits, rome wasnt bulit in a day. Did you pass the ozzie immigration control test?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!![/p][/quote]Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..[/p][/quote]But the councillors have NO say whatsoever about being a member of the U as there are only 2 ways of leaving the EU - by expulsion 9if all other 27 member countries agree) or by application from the Government (in case of the UK from Westminster). Therefore a vote for UKIP councillor to get out of EU is a wasted vote as it cannot happen!!! Yes they have, I have had pamphlets through in last few weeks with what they are proposing locally and I even posted the brief outlines on the other thread, yesterday!!! Only one missing was UKIPs!!! The national political party websites will not carry them as they are national websites and not individual local sites!!![/p][/quote]All good things to he that waits, rome wasnt bulit in a day. Did you pass the ozzie immigration control test? thomas222
  • Score: 17

9:58am Tue 25 Mar 14

Brumas says...

They will walk in if the Labour Councilors Doggedly toe the Party line like they did last week, regarding the Development of the Horwich Loco Works. Rather than listening to their constituents concerns about the Hazardous Contaminants on the site. This was despite the Environment Agency warning them also. Talk about organising something in a Brewery.
They will walk in if the Labour Councilors Doggedly toe the Party line like they did last week, regarding the Development of the Horwich Loco Works. Rather than listening to their constituents concerns about the Hazardous Contaminants on the site. This was despite the Environment Agency warning them also. Talk about organising something in a Brewery. Brumas
  • Score: 12

10:04am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Brumas wrote:
They will walk in if the Labour Councilors Doggedly toe the Party line like they did last week, regarding the Development of the Horwich Loco Works. Rather than listening to their constituents concerns about the Hazardous Contaminants on the site. This was despite the Environment Agency warning them also. Talk about organising something in a Brewery.
They dont care about the majority of people in this Town as they know the voting situation in this Town is geared to them. Postal voting should be banned its a scam in action.
[quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: They will walk in if the Labour Councilors Doggedly toe the Party line like they did last week, regarding the Development of the Horwich Loco Works. Rather than listening to their constituents concerns about the Hazardous Contaminants on the site. This was despite the Environment Agency warning them also. Talk about organising something in a Brewery.[/p][/quote]They dont care about the majority of people in this Town as they know the voting situation in this Town is geared to them. Postal voting should be banned its a scam in action. thomas222
  • Score: 20

10:49am Tue 25 Mar 14

lv8151 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!!
Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..
But the councillors have NO say whatsoever about being a member of the U as there are only 2 ways of leaving the EU - by expulsion 9if all other 27 member countries agree) or by application from the Government (in case of the UK from Westminster). Therefore a vote for UKIP councillor to get out of EU is a wasted vote as it cannot happen!!!

Yes they have, I have had pamphlets through in last few weeks with what they are proposing locally and I even posted the brief outlines on the other thread, yesterday!!! Only one missing was UKIPs!!! The national political party websites will not carry them as they are national websites and not individual local sites!!!
where i live in bolton we have had 2 pamphlets posted through our door .... 1 from cons and 1 from lab ..... not 1 of the pamphlets had anything to do with local issues on it
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!![/p][/quote]Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..[/p][/quote]But the councillors have NO say whatsoever about being a member of the U as there are only 2 ways of leaving the EU - by expulsion 9if all other 27 member countries agree) or by application from the Government (in case of the UK from Westminster). Therefore a vote for UKIP councillor to get out of EU is a wasted vote as it cannot happen!!! Yes they have, I have had pamphlets through in last few weeks with what they are proposing locally and I even posted the brief outlines on the other thread, yesterday!!! Only one missing was UKIPs!!! The national political party websites will not carry them as they are national websites and not individual local sites!!![/p][/quote]where i live in bolton we have had 2 pamphlets posted through our door .... 1 from cons and 1 from lab ..... not 1 of the pamphlets had anything to do with local issues on it lv8151
  • Score: 18

11:19am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

lv8151 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!!
Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..
But the councillors have NO say whatsoever about being a member of the U as there are only 2 ways of leaving the EU - by expulsion 9if all other 27 member countries agree) or by application from the Government (in case of the UK from Westminster). Therefore a vote for UKIP councillor to get out of EU is a wasted vote as it cannot happen!!! Yes they have, I have had pamphlets through in last few weeks with what they are proposing locally and I even posted the brief outlines on the other thread, yesterday!!! Only one missing was UKIPs!!! The national political party websites will not carry them as they are national websites and not individual local sites!!!
where i live in bolton we have had 2 pamphlets posted through our door .... 1 from cons and 1 from lab ..... not 1 of the pamphlets had anything to do with local issues on it
Thank you Ivy. Do they call ukip names on the leaflets by any chance ?. I do hope they have, it works against them these days.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But you quoted, yesterday that Nigel Farage wasn't that bothered about Local Elections and that the Euro's were more important and yet here is Nuttall saying that UKIP are putting forward 18 candidates in Bolton alone!!!! So who is lying and what are their plans if they do elected as Councillors? - and please nothing of the national policies as councillors cannot affect them!!![/p][/quote]Did not say he was not bothered i said it was not the main thing at this stage but it was great if we got votes through it. If as Nuttall said last night, someone is going to vote out of the eu they will also tick the Cllr box also. And they will. The Cllrs are not elected yet but going through the system to & are having their pics taken Monday. When that is done you will find out what they stand on. Have any other partys told there plans yet i dont seem to find anything about them..[/p][/quote]But the councillors have NO say whatsoever about being a member of the U as there are only 2 ways of leaving the EU - by expulsion 9if all other 27 member countries agree) or by application from the Government (in case of the UK from Westminster). Therefore a vote for UKIP councillor to get out of EU is a wasted vote as it cannot happen!!! Yes they have, I have had pamphlets through in last few weeks with what they are proposing locally and I even posted the brief outlines on the other thread, yesterday!!! Only one missing was UKIPs!!! The national political party websites will not carry them as they are national websites and not individual local sites!!![/p][/quote]where i live in bolton we have had 2 pamphlets posted through our door .... 1 from cons and 1 from lab ..... not 1 of the pamphlets had anything to do with local issues on it[/p][/quote]Thank you Ivy. Do they call ukip names on the leaflets by any chance ?. I do hope they have, it works against them these days. thomas222
  • Score: 13

4:27pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -8

4:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
British bill of rights is ukips idea..
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.[/p][/quote]British bill of rights is ukips idea.. thomas222
  • Score: 14

6:13pm Tue 25 Mar 14

UKIP Kiddie says...

I was a lifelong Labour supporter but am now totally disillusioned with them. Neither would I vote Liberal or Tory, the 3 main parties are devoid of any feeling, notion or understanding for ordinary people's lot. Nigel Farage says it how it is, does not dodge awkward questions and shoots from the hip. Thank God a political party such as UKIP has come along because they make the rest look pathetic. Believe me, UKIP can do a lot of damage to the Lib/Lab/Con in the run up to next year's General Election. I will vote for them whatever rubbish is thrown at them.
I was a lifelong Labour supporter but am now totally disillusioned with them. Neither would I vote Liberal or Tory, the 3 main parties are devoid of any feeling, notion or understanding for ordinary people's lot. Nigel Farage says it how it is, does not dodge awkward questions and shoots from the hip. Thank God a political party such as UKIP has come along because they make the rest look pathetic. Believe me, UKIP can do a lot of damage to the Lib/Lab/Con in the run up to next year's General Election. I will vote for them whatever rubbish is thrown at them. UKIP Kiddie
  • Score: 15

7:22pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
British bill of rights is ukips idea..
So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.[/p][/quote]British bill of rights is ukips idea..[/p][/quote]So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -54

7:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.
12 billion, is that all?

That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe!

That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!!

That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!!

What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?[/p][/quote]Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.[/p][/quote]12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills) BWFC71
  • Score: -47

7:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.
12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)
+ 55 million a day to the eu... Its a start.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?[/p][/quote]Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.[/p][/quote]12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)[/p][/quote]+ 55 million a day to the eu... Its a start. thomas222
  • Score: 7

7:35pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.
12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)
Forgot.. 2 million brits in the eu consist of 1 million at the top of their game working for companys who need them & the other 50% are pensioners who get paid by the brits & spend where they are living. There is very very few claiming benefits.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?[/p][/quote]Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.[/p][/quote]12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)[/p][/quote]Forgot.. 2 million brits in the eu consist of 1 million at the top of their game working for companys who need them & the other 50% are pensioners who get paid by the brits & spend where they are living. There is very very few claiming benefits. thomas222
  • Score: 8

7:39pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
British bill of rights is ukips idea..
So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!!
You twist the words of Churchill as all the other left wing socialists do.... Churchills words have been high jacked..... You are the minority.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.[/p][/quote]British bill of rights is ukips idea..[/p][/quote]So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!![/p][/quote]You twist the words of Churchill as all the other left wing socialists do.... Churchills words have been high jacked..... You are the minority. thomas222
  • Score: 5

8:32am Wed 26 Mar 14

Jim271 says...

Its due to the Governments policy of instead training unemployed people to do the required jobs, its cheaper to bring in cheaper foreign labour.

Every factory I've worked in is full of East Europeans on zero hours contracts who are exploited.

If UKIP gain ground its due to the failure of the lib dems who have sold our.
Its due to the Governments policy of instead training unemployed people to do the required jobs, its cheaper to bring in cheaper foreign labour. Every factory I've worked in is full of East Europeans on zero hours contracts who are exploited. If UKIP gain ground its due to the failure of the lib dems who have sold our. Jim271
  • Score: 12

8:44am Wed 26 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Its due to the Governments policy of instead training unemployed people to do the required jobs, its cheaper to bring in cheaper foreign labour. Every factory I've worked in is full of East Europeans on zero hours contracts who are exploited. If UKIP gain ground its due to the failure of the lib dems who have sold our.
The reason for the rise of UKIP is because of other partys inability to put British people first & also people are sick to the teeth of greed in the system.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its due to the Governments policy of instead training unemployed people to do the required jobs, its cheaper to bring in cheaper foreign labour. Every factory I've worked in is full of East Europeans on zero hours contracts who are exploited. If UKIP gain ground its due to the failure of the lib dems who have sold our.[/p][/quote]The reason for the rise of UKIP is because of other partys inability to put British people first & also people are sick to the teeth of greed in the system. thomas222
  • Score: 15

9:20pm Wed 26 Mar 14

lv8151 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
British bill of rights is ukips idea..
So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!!
every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.[/p][/quote]British bill of rights is ukips idea..[/p][/quote]So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!![/p][/quote]every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons lv8151
  • Score: 12

9:14am Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Didnt he do well. He nailed it! : )
Didnt he do well. He nailed it! : ) thomas222
  • Score: 6

10:01am Thu 27 Mar 14

Gore Seer says...

IL Join Any Camp That Stops The Nuclear Madness, The Cuban Crisis Comes To Mind. Its A Big Issue To Me And Not Just Because IL Be Paying Toward It.
IL Join Any Camp That Stops The Nuclear Madness, The Cuban Crisis Comes To Mind. Its A Big Issue To Me And Not Just Because IL Be Paying Toward It. Gore Seer
  • Score: -3

1:12pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

lv8151 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
British bill of rights is ukips idea..
So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!!
every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons
NONE is the simple answer and he would be even more aghast with regards to what UKIP are trying to do.

In fact in his later life he wanted greater co-operation with Europe and his total vision was one union. All you need to do is read his biographies and you will see how much more closer co-operation he wanted with a new Europe than what we currently have. He actually envisaged that there would be 1 European court sometime in the future, 1 market area and 1 body that would govern most of the laws and rules within Europe and most of all he did actually want open borders and closer ties with the Soviet Union - as he believed (whether foolishly or not) that the Soviet form of communism was very akin to how his Conservative, and previously Liberal Party, were leading towards.

Funnily enough we have it, but the press are destroying it with lies which many people believe!!!

Yes, just like any Parliament/governmen
t there are things done which are wrong but we all learn and reform from them. That is what the EU is about it is one big experiment that has not yet finished and it is trying to get it perfect. But like anything else you cannot please all of the people all of the time!

But let me put this is a simple way - when you go abroad do you expect to have the same laws as here and as such be safe in the knowledge that you are not knowingly doing anything wrong? Also do you expect people from other countries to know our laws and agree to try to abide by them? If so then why do you not like the laws that the EU have created?
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.[/p][/quote]British bill of rights is ukips idea..[/p][/quote]So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!![/p][/quote]every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons[/p][/quote]NONE is the simple answer and he would be even more aghast with regards to what UKIP are trying to do. In fact in his later life he wanted greater co-operation with Europe and his total vision was one union. All you need to do is read his biographies and you will see how much more closer co-operation he wanted with a new Europe than what we currently have. He actually envisaged that there would be 1 European court sometime in the future, 1 market area and 1 body that would govern most of the laws and rules within Europe and most of all he did actually want open borders and closer ties with the Soviet Union - as he believed (whether foolishly or not) that the Soviet form of communism was very akin to how his Conservative, and previously Liberal Party, were leading towards. Funnily enough we have it, but the press are destroying it with lies which many people believe!!! Yes, just like any Parliament/governmen t there are things done which are wrong but we all learn and reform from them. That is what the EU is about it is one big experiment that has not yet finished and it is trying to get it perfect. But like anything else you cannot please all of the people all of the time! But let me put this is a simple way - when you go abroad do you expect to have the same laws as here and as such be safe in the knowledge that you are not knowingly doing anything wrong? Also do you expect people from other countries to know our laws and agree to try to abide by them? If so then why do you not like the laws that the EU have created? BWFC71
  • Score: -49

1:21pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
British bill of rights is ukips idea..
So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!!
every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons
NONE is the simple answer and he would be even more aghast with regards to what UKIP are trying to do. In fact in his later life he wanted greater co-operation with Europe and his total vision was one union. All you need to do is read his biographies and you will see how much more closer co-operation he wanted with a new Europe than what we currently have. He actually envisaged that there would be 1 European court sometime in the future, 1 market area and 1 body that would govern most of the laws and rules within Europe and most of all he did actually want open borders and closer ties with the Soviet Union - as he believed (whether foolishly or not) that the Soviet form of communism was very akin to how his Conservative, and previously Liberal Party, were leading towards. Funnily enough we have it, but the press are destroying it with lies which many people believe!!! Yes, just like any Parliament/governmen t there are things done which are wrong but we all learn and reform from them. That is what the EU is about it is one big experiment that has not yet finished and it is trying to get it perfect. But like anything else you cannot please all of the people all of the time! But let me put this is a simple way - when you go abroad do you expect to have the same laws as here and as such be safe in the knowledge that you are not knowingly doing anything wrong? Also do you expect people from other countries to know our laws and agree to try to abide by them? If so then why do you not like the laws that the EU have created?
Experiments go wrong all the time in life,in science,in space etc etc. This is one that has gone wrong with massive repercussions. Its animal nature to care for your own & protect as it is with every other species in this world. We are just another species doing it, look at the middle east etc etc..
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.[/p][/quote]British bill of rights is ukips idea..[/p][/quote]So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!![/p][/quote]every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons[/p][/quote]NONE is the simple answer and he would be even more aghast with regards to what UKIP are trying to do. In fact in his later life he wanted greater co-operation with Europe and his total vision was one union. All you need to do is read his biographies and you will see how much more closer co-operation he wanted with a new Europe than what we currently have. He actually envisaged that there would be 1 European court sometime in the future, 1 market area and 1 body that would govern most of the laws and rules within Europe and most of all he did actually want open borders and closer ties with the Soviet Union - as he believed (whether foolishly or not) that the Soviet form of communism was very akin to how his Conservative, and previously Liberal Party, were leading towards. Funnily enough we have it, but the press are destroying it with lies which many people believe!!! Yes, just like any Parliament/governmen t there are things done which are wrong but we all learn and reform from them. That is what the EU is about it is one big experiment that has not yet finished and it is trying to get it perfect. But like anything else you cannot please all of the people all of the time! But let me put this is a simple way - when you go abroad do you expect to have the same laws as here and as such be safe in the knowledge that you are not knowingly doing anything wrong? Also do you expect people from other countries to know our laws and agree to try to abide by them? If so then why do you not like the laws that the EU have created?[/p][/quote]Experiments go wrong all the time in life,in science,in space etc etc. This is one that has gone wrong with massive repercussions. Its animal nature to care for your own & protect as it is with every other species in this world. We are just another species doing it, look at the middle east etc etc.. thomas222
  • Score: 6

1:28pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.
12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)
Forgot.. 2 million brits in the eu consist of 1 million at the top of their game working for companys who need them & the other 50% are pensioners who get paid by the brits & spend where they are living. There is very very few claiming benefits.
Incorrect!

I lived in Amsterdam for 6 years. English is basically the city's first language because of the number of English people working and living there. The most popular job being a bar-tender!!! Second most popular job was working in coffee shops and cafe's.

Yes there are many British who work in the factories, work for haulage companies and logistics. Then there are the office workers who are not of the top 5% and cannot claim the tax refund because they don't have the speciality education.

That is just one country - it is also the same in Germany, France, Brussels, Luxembourg, Poland, Austria, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovak Republic.

Then there is Spin and Portugal - how many English work in bars, café, offices?

1 million is more like 100,000 the rest are just working to keep going! You'd be surprised how many actually claim benefits, again, as they are allowed to and they do.

Do not forget that Ireland is also art of Europe and there are many English living and working there as well, as well as claiming benefits!!!

http://amsterdam.ang
loinfo.com/informati
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-media/
http://amsterdam.ang
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on/money/social-secu
rity/contributions-b
enefits/
http://amsterdam.ang
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I can guarantee that you will not read the above information - which is the most up to date, with regards to benefits and contributions in The Netherlands. But suffice to say you can get the same benefits in The Netherlands as you can in the UK, even you move over without having a job lined up!!! The same also applies to every other EU country as each EU country has reciprocal agreement in place!!!! - The one MAJOR IMPORTANT informative thing that Farage seemed to forget to mention!

The majority of British people living and working in the EU are between the ages of 18 and 40 - therefore to say 1 million are in high-powered jobs is jut pure fantasist!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?[/p][/quote]Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.[/p][/quote]12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)[/p][/quote]Forgot.. 2 million brits in the eu consist of 1 million at the top of their game working for companys who need them & the other 50% are pensioners who get paid by the brits & spend where they are living. There is very very few claiming benefits.[/p][/quote]Incorrect! I lived in Amsterdam for 6 years. English is basically the city's first language because of the number of English people working and living there. The most popular job being a bar-tender!!! Second most popular job was working in coffee shops and cafe's. Yes there are many British who work in the factories, work for haulage companies and logistics. Then there are the office workers who are not of the top 5% and cannot claim the tax refund because they don't have the speciality education. That is just one country - it is also the same in Germany, France, Brussels, Luxembourg, Poland, Austria, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovak Republic. Then there is Spin and Portugal - how many English work in bars, café, offices? 1 million is more like 100,000 the rest are just working to keep going! You'd be surprised how many actually claim benefits, again, as they are allowed to and they do. Do not forget that Ireland is also art of Europe and there are many English living and working there as well, as well as claiming benefits!!! http://amsterdam.ang loinfo.com/informati on/lifestyle/enterta inment/local-english -media/ http://amsterdam.ang loinfo.com/informati on/money/social-secu rity/contributions-b enefits/ http://amsterdam.ang loinfo.com/informati on/money/social-secu rity/ I can guarantee that you will not read the above information - which is the most up to date, with regards to benefits and contributions in The Netherlands. But suffice to say you can get the same benefits in The Netherlands as you can in the UK, even you move over without having a job lined up!!! The same also applies to every other EU country as each EU country has reciprocal agreement in place!!!! - The one MAJOR IMPORTANT informative thing that Farage seemed to forget to mention! The majority of British people living and working in the EU are between the ages of 18 and 40 - therefore to say 1 million are in high-powered jobs is jut pure fantasist! BWFC71
  • Score: -37

1:30pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
British bill of rights is ukips idea..
So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!!
every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons
NONE is the simple answer and he would be even more aghast with regards to what UKIP are trying to do. In fact in his later life he wanted greater co-operation with Europe and his total vision was one union. All you need to do is read his biographies and you will see how much more closer co-operation he wanted with a new Europe than what we currently have. He actually envisaged that there would be 1 European court sometime in the future, 1 market area and 1 body that would govern most of the laws and rules within Europe and most of all he did actually want open borders and closer ties with the Soviet Union - as he believed (whether foolishly or not) that the Soviet form of communism was very akin to how his Conservative, and previously Liberal Party, were leading towards. Funnily enough we have it, but the press are destroying it with lies which many people believe!!! Yes, just like any Parliament/governmen t there are things done which are wrong but we all learn and reform from them. That is what the EU is about it is one big experiment that has not yet finished and it is trying to get it perfect. But like anything else you cannot please all of the people all of the time! But let me put this is a simple way - when you go abroad do you expect to have the same laws as here and as such be safe in the knowledge that you are not knowingly doing anything wrong? Also do you expect people from other countries to know our laws and agree to try to abide by them? If so then why do you not like the laws that the EU have created?
Experiments go wrong all the time in life,in science,in space etc etc. This is one that has gone wrong with massive repercussions. Its animal nature to care for your own & protect as it is with every other species in this world. We are just another species doing it, look at the middle east etc etc..
Where has it gone wrong?

From what I can see it has been a massive success so far, yes a hiccup here and there but nothing dramatic has gone wrong!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.[/p][/quote]British bill of rights is ukips idea..[/p][/quote]So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!![/p][/quote]every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons[/p][/quote]NONE is the simple answer and he would be even more aghast with regards to what UKIP are trying to do. In fact in his later life he wanted greater co-operation with Europe and his total vision was one union. All you need to do is read his biographies and you will see how much more closer co-operation he wanted with a new Europe than what we currently have. He actually envisaged that there would be 1 European court sometime in the future, 1 market area and 1 body that would govern most of the laws and rules within Europe and most of all he did actually want open borders and closer ties with the Soviet Union - as he believed (whether foolishly or not) that the Soviet form of communism was very akin to how his Conservative, and previously Liberal Party, were leading towards. Funnily enough we have it, but the press are destroying it with lies which many people believe!!! Yes, just like any Parliament/governmen t there are things done which are wrong but we all learn and reform from them. That is what the EU is about it is one big experiment that has not yet finished and it is trying to get it perfect. But like anything else you cannot please all of the people all of the time! But let me put this is a simple way - when you go abroad do you expect to have the same laws as here and as such be safe in the knowledge that you are not knowingly doing anything wrong? Also do you expect people from other countries to know our laws and agree to try to abide by them? If so then why do you not like the laws that the EU have created?[/p][/quote]Experiments go wrong all the time in life,in science,in space etc etc. This is one that has gone wrong with massive repercussions. Its animal nature to care for your own & protect as it is with every other species in this world. We are just another species doing it, look at the middle east etc etc..[/p][/quote]Where has it gone wrong? From what I can see it has been a massive success so far, yes a hiccup here and there but nothing dramatic has gone wrong! BWFC71
  • Score: -28

1:33pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.
12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)
+ 55 million a day to the eu... Its a start.
55 million to the EU each day, 50 million from the EU each day. Thus the club is only costing 5 million a day which goes to help people and countries that are not as rich as ours thus creating a level playing field which then can bee sued to create even greater discounts when going to marketplace with other world trading blocs!

Funny - that was another omission that Farage seemed to forget about! Why is that? (oh and the link is www.ec.europa.eu/eco
nomy_finance/index_e
n)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?[/p][/quote]Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.[/p][/quote]12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)[/p][/quote]+ 55 million a day to the eu... Its a start.[/p][/quote]55 million to the EU each day, 50 million from the EU each day. Thus the club is only costing 5 million a day which goes to help people and countries that are not as rich as ours thus creating a level playing field which then can bee sued to create even greater discounts when going to marketplace with other world trading blocs! Funny - that was another omission that Farage seemed to forget about! Why is that? (oh and the link is www.ec.europa.eu/eco nomy_finance/index_e n) BWFC71
  • Score: -52

1:41pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

And before you mention anything about the points system that Australia use, you may have to ask as to which points system? The one that Western Australia, uses, or the one that Victoria Use, or what about the points system used in South Australia, never mind the points system in New South wales or in Queensland - then of course there is the points system used in Tazmania and Northern Territories or what about the points system used in the Australian Capital Territory?

But there again we all know that most British who go and stay there actually go there on a working holiday visa that lasts up to 12 months (which is allowed to be used up to the age of 35) and they can extend those visas as often as they want and then gain a permanent visa!!! SO basically how many British, and other nationalities, have got to Australia by by-passing the many points systems? (more than what you think)

So if you want the Australian points system, which system do you want and do you want it as openly abused as the Australian systems?
And before you mention anything about the points system that Australia use, you may have to ask as to which points system? The one that Western Australia, uses, or the one that Victoria Use, or what about the points system used in South Australia, never mind the points system in New South wales or in Queensland - then of course there is the points system used in Tazmania and Northern Territories or what about the points system used in the Australian Capital Territory? But there again we all know that most British who go and stay there actually go there on a working holiday visa that lasts up to 12 months (which is allowed to be used up to the age of 35) and they can extend those visas as often as they want and then gain a permanent visa!!! SO basically how many British, and other nationalities, have got to Australia by by-passing the many points systems? (more than what you think) So if you want the Australian points system, which system do you want and do you want it as openly abused as the Australian systems? BWFC71
  • Score: -15

1:47pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
And before you mention anything about the points system that Australia use, you may have to ask as to which points system? The one that Western Australia, uses, or the one that Victoria Use, or what about the points system used in South Australia, never mind the points system in New South wales or in Queensland - then of course there is the points system used in Tazmania and Northern Territories or what about the points system used in the Australian Capital Territory? But there again we all know that most British who go and stay there actually go there on a working holiday visa that lasts up to 12 months (which is allowed to be used up to the age of 35) and they can extend those visas as often as they want and then gain a permanent visa!!! SO basically how many British, and other nationalities, have got to Australia by by-passing the many points systems? (more than what you think) So if you want the Australian points system, which system do you want and do you want it as openly abused as the Australian systems?
I have lived & worked in Oz.. have family who live there and many friends.... the gravy train is stopped they have had enough.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: And before you mention anything about the points system that Australia use, you may have to ask as to which points system? The one that Western Australia, uses, or the one that Victoria Use, or what about the points system used in South Australia, never mind the points system in New South wales or in Queensland - then of course there is the points system used in Tazmania and Northern Territories or what about the points system used in the Australian Capital Territory? But there again we all know that most British who go and stay there actually go there on a working holiday visa that lasts up to 12 months (which is allowed to be used up to the age of 35) and they can extend those visas as often as they want and then gain a permanent visa!!! SO basically how many British, and other nationalities, have got to Australia by by-passing the many points systems? (more than what you think) So if you want the Australian points system, which system do you want and do you want it as openly abused as the Australian systems?[/p][/quote]I have lived & worked in Oz.. have family who live there and many friends.... the gravy train is stopped they have had enough. thomas222
  • Score: 5

1:49pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.
12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)
+ 55 million a day to the eu... Its a start.
55 million to the EU each day, 50 million from the EU each day. Thus the club is only costing 5 million a day which goes to help people and countries that are not as rich as ours thus creating a level playing field which then can bee sued to create even greater discounts when going to marketplace with other world trading blocs! Funny - that was another omission that Farage seemed to forget about! Why is that? (oh and the link is www.ec.europa.eu/eco nomy_finance/index_e n)
Show me the proof there is none.....
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?[/p][/quote]Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.[/p][/quote]12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)[/p][/quote]+ 55 million a day to the eu... Its a start.[/p][/quote]55 million to the EU each day, 50 million from the EU each day. Thus the club is only costing 5 million a day which goes to help people and countries that are not as rich as ours thus creating a level playing field which then can bee sued to create even greater discounts when going to marketplace with other world trading blocs! Funny - that was another omission that Farage seemed to forget about! Why is that? (oh and the link is www.ec.europa.eu/eco nomy_finance/index_e n)[/p][/quote]Show me the proof there is none..... thomas222
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.
British bill of rights is ukips idea..
So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!!
every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons
NONE is the simple answer and he would be even more aghast with regards to what UKIP are trying to do. In fact in his later life he wanted greater co-operation with Europe and his total vision was one union. All you need to do is read his biographies and you will see how much more closer co-operation he wanted with a new Europe than what we currently have. He actually envisaged that there would be 1 European court sometime in the future, 1 market area and 1 body that would govern most of the laws and rules within Europe and most of all he did actually want open borders and closer ties with the Soviet Union - as he believed (whether foolishly or not) that the Soviet form of communism was very akin to how his Conservative, and previously Liberal Party, were leading towards. Funnily enough we have it, but the press are destroying it with lies which many people believe!!! Yes, just like any Parliament/governmen t there are things done which are wrong but we all learn and reform from them. That is what the EU is about it is one big experiment that has not yet finished and it is trying to get it perfect. But like anything else you cannot please all of the people all of the time! But let me put this is a simple way - when you go abroad do you expect to have the same laws as here and as such be safe in the knowledge that you are not knowingly doing anything wrong? Also do you expect people from other countries to know our laws and agree to try to abide by them? If so then why do you not like the laws that the EU have created?
Experiments go wrong all the time in life,in science,in space etc etc. This is one that has gone wrong with massive repercussions. Its animal nature to care for your own & protect as it is with every other species in this world. We are just another species doing it, look at the middle east etc etc..
Where has it gone wrong? From what I can see it has been a massive success so far, yes a hiccup here and there but nothing dramatic has gone wrong!
Death in kiev the euro on its way out greece destitute spain and portugul going the same way italy and many more.. open your eyes... .....
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Withdrawing from The European Court of Human Rights? As much as I am beginning to like the idea of UKIP this policy is a non-starter considering that the British are a founding member of the said European Court of Human Rights.[/p][/quote]British bill of rights is ukips idea..[/p][/quote]So you want to destroy something that Winston Churchill helped to create? Therefore destroying an institution that millions in this country look up to and feel proud at what it has achieved since the end of World War II - basically throwing it back in the faces of the soldiers, airmen and seamen that fought for this country to create the freedom we have today and helped to shape the Europe we have today, thanks to Winston Churchill!!![/p][/quote]every government in the last 20 - 30 years have destroyed what churchill created .... churchill was british !!!!!! not european ..... do you honestly think this is what churchill envisioned for his once great country ..... you name me 1 party that churchill would nowadays be proud of ..... looking forward to your reply and reasons[/p][/quote]NONE is the simple answer and he would be even more aghast with regards to what UKIP are trying to do. In fact in his later life he wanted greater co-operation with Europe and his total vision was one union. All you need to do is read his biographies and you will see how much more closer co-operation he wanted with a new Europe than what we currently have. He actually envisaged that there would be 1 European court sometime in the future, 1 market area and 1 body that would govern most of the laws and rules within Europe and most of all he did actually want open borders and closer ties with the Soviet Union - as he believed (whether foolishly or not) that the Soviet form of communism was very akin to how his Conservative, and previously Liberal Party, were leading towards. Funnily enough we have it, but the press are destroying it with lies which many people believe!!! Yes, just like any Parliament/governmen t there are things done which are wrong but we all learn and reform from them. That is what the EU is about it is one big experiment that has not yet finished and it is trying to get it perfect. But like anything else you cannot please all of the people all of the time! But let me put this is a simple way - when you go abroad do you expect to have the same laws as here and as such be safe in the knowledge that you are not knowingly doing anything wrong? Also do you expect people from other countries to know our laws and agree to try to abide by them? If so then why do you not like the laws that the EU have created?[/p][/quote]Experiments go wrong all the time in life,in science,in space etc etc. This is one that has gone wrong with massive repercussions. Its animal nature to care for your own & protect as it is with every other species in this world. We are just another species doing it, look at the middle east etc etc..[/p][/quote]Where has it gone wrong? From what I can see it has been a massive success so far, yes a hiccup here and there but nothing dramatic has gone wrong![/p][/quote]Death in kiev the euro on its way out greece destitute spain and portugul going the same way italy and many more.. open your eyes... ..... thomas222
  • Score: 5

2:12pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Kiev is NOT a country for starters!!!
Ukraine is NOT in the EU!!!

Greece has paid back almost 60% of what it was lent back to Germany and the European Central Bank - funnily enough we lent nothing to Greece!!!

Spain has paid back almost 55% of what it was lent by the European Central Bank - again we lent nothing to Spain!!!

Portugal has not been in recession longer than the UK and their national debt is at least 50% lower than ours!!!

Italy's national debt is going down faster than ours and they have actually repaid the European Central Bank!!! Again we lent nothing to Italy

In fact of the EU member countries you mentioned their national debts are now far lower than ours. Our national debt is currently standing at 76% GDP and even Osborne admits it will grow to AT LEAST 85% GDP. We are borrowing far more now, each day, than what we were doing during the height of the recession unlike the countries you have mentioned.

Of the currencies that are traded the most the top five are as follows:
1. USD
2. JPY
3. EUR
4. CNY
5. GBP

After the dollar oil is traded in EUR more than the GBP

The "national" debt of the Eurozone is far lower than here and in fact the Euro is actually growing stronger against the GBP! In fact over the last 12 months the EUR has grown by 18.2% on the GBP!

You are trying to tell me wrong information about something I definitely know about because of my financial background!!!!
Kiev is NOT a country for starters!!! Ukraine is NOT in the EU!!! Greece has paid back almost 60% of what it was lent back to Germany and the European Central Bank - funnily enough we lent nothing to Greece!!! Spain has paid back almost 55% of what it was lent by the European Central Bank - again we lent nothing to Spain!!! Portugal has not been in recession longer than the UK and their national debt is at least 50% lower than ours!!! Italy's national debt is going down faster than ours and they have actually repaid the European Central Bank!!! Again we lent nothing to Italy In fact of the EU member countries you mentioned their national debts are now far lower than ours. Our national debt is currently standing at 76% GDP and even Osborne admits it will grow to AT LEAST 85% GDP. We are borrowing far more now, each day, than what we were doing during the height of the recession unlike the countries you have mentioned. Of the currencies that are traded the most the top five are as follows: 1. USD 2. JPY 3. EUR 4. CNY 5. GBP After the dollar oil is traded in EUR more than the GBP The "national" debt of the Eurozone is far lower than here and in fact the Euro is actually growing stronger against the GBP! In fact over the last 12 months the EUR has grown by 18.2% on the GBP! You are trying to tell me wrong information about something I definitely know about because of my financial background!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -15

2:14pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?
Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.
12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)
+ 55 million a day to the eu... Its a start.
55 million to the EU each day, 50 million from the EU each day. Thus the club is only costing 5 million a day which goes to help people and countries that are not as rich as ours thus creating a level playing field which then can bee sued to create even greater discounts when going to marketplace with other world trading blocs! Funny - that was another omission that Farage seemed to forget about! Why is that? (oh and the link is www.ec.europa.eu/eco nomy_finance/index_e n)
Show me the proof there is none.....
None what? In fact re-read what I posted and I didn't say there were none of anything!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? Also let not forget that at leat another 200 job losses from Bolton Council over next 12 months and also the 250,000 job losses, over next 3 years, from the public sector and yet jobs are not being opened as quick in thee private sector. Therefore that is a hell of a figure of job losses and yet less people in work means less tax being collected means a bigger strain on the benefits system which means the Government having to borrow even more and lets not forget that borrowing is growing on a daily basis and currently the debt is 72% of the GDP (whilst when the Government came to power it was only 59% of the GDP) - so how would UKIP address this massive and growing problem of the national debt?[/p][/quote]Peaking to early is a bad as peaking to late. No one is out campaigning ukip are no different. More low skilled immigration = lower wages less jobs. First thing ukip would do is stop overseas aid to places who dont need it or deserve it. Thats 12 billion already.[/p][/quote]12 billion, is that all? That doesn't even cover 1 months worth of interest payment of the money we owe. Even if we pull out of EU and save money from the club then that wouldn't even cover 3 months worth on interest payments. Also if we pull out of the Commonwealth, which should save about 25billion a year even that wouldn't help to pay the interest payments which we owe! That is how much debt this country is in and how much we are having to borrow each month just to help pay the interest payments!!! That is why we do not have a AAA rating unlike The Netherlands, Germany, Brussels and Luxembourg!!! What do you mean by lower wages - considering that the minimum wage is the lowest one can go!!! Any lower and that is breaking the law. fact is the migrant workers haven't lowered wages but companies have b cutting costs and not wanting to pay workers a fair and decent wage but rather pay their shareholders better dividends each year - and that has been going on since the minimum wage was introduced and companies realising that they do not have to give a decent wage - long before the so-called mass migration of workers. Lets not forget that there are more British people (aprrox 2.75 million) working in other EU countries than what there are of migrant workers (approx. 1.9 million) in this country - fact! (plus the majority of migrant workers are actually not on minimum wage and are actually paid very well for their skills)[/p][/quote]+ 55 million a day to the eu... Its a start.[/p][/quote]55 million to the EU each day, 50 million from the EU each day. Thus the club is only costing 5 million a day which goes to help people and countries that are not as rich as ours thus creating a level playing field which then can bee sued to create even greater discounts when going to marketplace with other world trading blocs! Funny - that was another omission that Farage seemed to forget about! Why is that? (oh and the link is www.ec.europa.eu/eco nomy_finance/index_e n)[/p][/quote]Show me the proof there is none.....[/p][/quote]None what? In fact re-read what I posted and I didn't say there were none of anything!!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -20

2:17pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
And before you mention anything about the points system that Australia use, you may have to ask as to which points system? The one that Western Australia, uses, or the one that Victoria Use, or what about the points system used in South Australia, never mind the points system in New South wales or in Queensland - then of course there is the points system used in Tazmania and Northern Territories or what about the points system used in the Australian Capital Territory? But there again we all know that most British who go and stay there actually go there on a working holiday visa that lasts up to 12 months (which is allowed to be used up to the age of 35) and they can extend those visas as often as they want and then gain a permanent visa!!! SO basically how many British, and other nationalities, have got to Australia by by-passing the many points systems? (more than what you think) So if you want the Australian points system, which system do you want and do you want it as openly abused as the Australian systems?
I have lived & worked in Oz.. have family who live there and many friends.... the gravy train is stopped they have had enough.
I have many friends in Australia, all over in the various states!

I never mentioned anything of the gravy train, so why did you?

I just stated the most up to date information and how easy it is to actually get into Australia without having any points!

Therefore why are you trying to change the topic from immigration to the "gravy train"?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: And before you mention anything about the points system that Australia use, you may have to ask as to which points system? The one that Western Australia, uses, or the one that Victoria Use, or what about the points system used in South Australia, never mind the points system in New South wales or in Queensland - then of course there is the points system used in Tazmania and Northern Territories or what about the points system used in the Australian Capital Territory? But there again we all know that most British who go and stay there actually go there on a working holiday visa that lasts up to 12 months (which is allowed to be used up to the age of 35) and they can extend those visas as often as they want and then gain a permanent visa!!! SO basically how many British, and other nationalities, have got to Australia by by-passing the many points systems? (more than what you think) So if you want the Australian points system, which system do you want and do you want it as openly abused as the Australian systems?[/p][/quote]I have lived & worked in Oz.. have family who live there and many friends.... the gravy train is stopped they have had enough.[/p][/quote]I have many friends in Australia, all over in the various states! I never mentioned anything of the gravy train, so why did you? I just stated the most up to date information and how easy it is to actually get into Australia without having any points! Therefore why are you trying to change the topic from immigration to the "gravy train"? BWFC71
  • Score: -41

2:17pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Kiev is NOT a country for starters!!! Ukraine is NOT in the EU!!! Greece has paid back almost 60% of what it was lent back to Germany and the European Central Bank - funnily enough we lent nothing to Greece!!! Spain has paid back almost 55% of what it was lent by the European Central Bank - again we lent nothing to Spain!!! Portugal has not been in recession longer than the UK and their national debt is at least 50% lower than ours!!! Italy's national debt is going down faster than ours and they have actually repaid the European Central Bank!!! Again we lent nothing to Italy In fact of the EU member countries you mentioned their national debts are now far lower than ours. Our national debt is currently standing at 76% GDP and even Osborne admits it will grow to AT LEAST 85% GDP. We are borrowing far more now, each day, than what we were doing during the height of the recession unlike the countries you have mentioned. Of the currencies that are traded the most the top five are as follows: 1. USD 2. JPY 3. EUR 4. CNY 5. GBP After the dollar oil is traded in EUR more than the GBP The "national" debt of the Eurozone is far lower than here and in fact the Euro is actually growing stronger against the GBP! In fact over the last 12 months the EUR has grown by 18.2% on the GBP! You are trying to tell me wrong information about something I definitely know about because of my financial background!!!!
I lived in Kiev and know where it is....... Do you ever look at what the people want in certain countrys. The wealthiest two countrys in europe are switzerland & Norway neither in the eu but trading partners. Need i say any more ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Kiev is NOT a country for starters!!! Ukraine is NOT in the EU!!! Greece has paid back almost 60% of what it was lent back to Germany and the European Central Bank - funnily enough we lent nothing to Greece!!! Spain has paid back almost 55% of what it was lent by the European Central Bank - again we lent nothing to Spain!!! Portugal has not been in recession longer than the UK and their national debt is at least 50% lower than ours!!! Italy's national debt is going down faster than ours and they have actually repaid the European Central Bank!!! Again we lent nothing to Italy In fact of the EU member countries you mentioned their national debts are now far lower than ours. Our national debt is currently standing at 76% GDP and even Osborne admits it will grow to AT LEAST 85% GDP. We are borrowing far more now, each day, than what we were doing during the height of the recession unlike the countries you have mentioned. Of the currencies that are traded the most the top five are as follows: 1. USD 2. JPY 3. EUR 4. CNY 5. GBP After the dollar oil is traded in EUR more than the GBP The "national" debt of the Eurozone is far lower than here and in fact the Euro is actually growing stronger against the GBP! In fact over the last 12 months the EUR has grown by 18.2% on the GBP! You are trying to tell me wrong information about something I definitely know about because of my financial background!!!![/p][/quote]I lived in Kiev and know where it is....... Do you ever look at what the people want in certain countrys. The wealthiest two countrys in europe are switzerland & Norway neither in the eu but trading partners. Need i say any more ? thomas222
  • Score: 6

4:32pm Thu 27 Mar 14

pimpmaster says...

if most people that was planning on voting ukip actually looked at their manifesto they would run a mile. charging to see your doctor. cutting tax for the rich to 22%. scrapping employers contribution to national insurance. more cuts to the public sector meaning millions of jobs cut.
if most people that was planning on voting ukip actually looked at their manifesto they would run a mile. charging to see your doctor. cutting tax for the rich to 22%. scrapping employers contribution to national insurance. more cuts to the public sector meaning millions of jobs cut. pimpmaster
  • Score: -17

5:23pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

pimpmaster wrote:
if most people that was planning on voting ukip actually looked at their manifesto they would run a mile. charging to see your doctor. cutting tax for the rich to 22%. scrapping employers contribution to national insurance. more cuts to the public sector meaning millions of jobs cut.
UKIP will keep the NHS free at the point of need & would lose many of the Mangers & pen pushers ( no medical training) who account for 48% of the fifth largest employer in the world & put the savings into patient care.

UKIP will take millions of workers on the minimum wage out of paying tax & phase out inheritance tax.

UKIP will do the same with the public sector as the NHS by cutting the waste and investing the money into services.

UKIP will scrap the bedroom tax & the rate of tax has not been fully explored yet as that can only be done nearer the time when one knows ones finances at the time.

If you want to know who took away the workers rights was Labour with the short term contacts for fewer benefits & allowed a explosion of cheap agency work all the while driving the working man into greater and greater poverty with their un-controlled abuse of immigration for self serving reasons. The votes!!!
[quote][p][bold]pimpmaster[/bold] wrote: if most people that was planning on voting ukip actually looked at their manifesto they would run a mile. charging to see your doctor. cutting tax for the rich to 22%. scrapping employers contribution to national insurance. more cuts to the public sector meaning millions of jobs cut.[/p][/quote]UKIP will keep the NHS free at the point of need & would lose many of the Mangers & pen pushers ( no medical training) who account for 48% of the fifth largest employer in the world & put the savings into patient care. UKIP will take millions of workers on the minimum wage out of paying tax & phase out inheritance tax. UKIP will do the same with the public sector as the NHS by cutting the waste and investing the money into services. UKIP will scrap the bedroom tax & the rate of tax has not been fully explored yet as that can only be done nearer the time when one knows ones finances at the time. If you want to know who took away the workers rights was Labour with the short term contacts for fewer benefits & allowed a explosion of cheap agency work all the while driving the working man into greater and greater poverty with their un-controlled abuse of immigration for self serving reasons. The votes!!! thomas222
  • Score: 10

6:27pm Thu 27 Mar 14

George X says...

pimpmaster wrote:
if most people that was planning on voting ukip actually looked at their manifesto they would run a mile. charging to see your doctor. cutting tax for the rich to 22%. scrapping employers contribution to national insurance. more cuts to the public sector meaning millions of jobs cut.
What do you think the Conservatives have in mind for the NHS ? if it left up to them you'll be paying a fortune for health insurance, they could'nt care less for the lower working class, the unemployed or disabled, not so bad if your'e an old etonian though eh !!
[quote][p][bold]pimpmaster[/bold] wrote: if most people that was planning on voting ukip actually looked at their manifesto they would run a mile. charging to see your doctor. cutting tax for the rich to 22%. scrapping employers contribution to national insurance. more cuts to the public sector meaning millions of jobs cut.[/p][/quote]What do you think the Conservatives have in mind for the NHS ? if it left up to them you'll be paying a fortune for health insurance, they could'nt care less for the lower working class, the unemployed or disabled, not so bad if your'e an old etonian though eh !! George X
  • Score: 8

8:22pm Thu 27 Mar 14

bwfc58 says...

BWFC71 I no longer read your comments i just click on the thump down because you are many people like you want to run this once great country in the ground and flood this once great country with even more Immigrants well I for one and all my family and friends even the ones that use to vote for the Conservatives are now going to vote for UKIP and some of them live in other parts of this once great country because we have all had enough and we want to give UKIP a chance and also i want this postal voting to stop as this is one way that Labour gets most of there votes FACT they are the ones that have flooded this once great country with Immigrants and a lot of them have brought a lot of crime over to this once great country FACT and the Conservatives and Leb-dems just want to get rid of the NHS and our once great Police force with sub standard services and even Teachers and the Fire-service are suffering under the Conservatives and Leb-Dems FACT now most of you will agree with me and a few of you will not agree with me but them that do not I could not care less but the ones that do I will just say ( UKIP ) lets get them in power and give them a chance
BWFC71 I no longer read your comments i just click on the thump down because you are many people like you want to run this once great country in the ground and flood this once great country with even more Immigrants well I for one and all my family and friends even the ones that use to vote for the Conservatives are now going to vote for UKIP and some of them live in other parts of this once great country because we have all had enough and we want to give UKIP a chance and also i want this postal voting to stop as this is one way that Labour gets most of there votes FACT they are the ones that have flooded this once great country with Immigrants and a lot of them have brought a lot of crime over to this once great country FACT and the Conservatives and Leb-dems just want to get rid of the NHS and our once great Police force with sub standard services and even Teachers and the Fire-service are suffering under the Conservatives and Leb-Dems FACT now most of you will agree with me and a few of you will not agree with me but them that do not I could not care less but the ones that do I will just say ( UKIP ) lets get them in power and give them a chance bwfc58
  • Score: 45

10:12pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
pimpmaster wrote:
if most people that was planning on voting ukip actually looked at their manifesto they would run a mile. charging to see your doctor. cutting tax for the rich to 22%. scrapping employers contribution to national insurance. more cuts to the public sector meaning millions of jobs cut.
What do you think the Conservatives have in mind for the NHS ? if it left up to them you'll be paying a fortune for health insurance, they could'nt care less for the lower working class, the unemployed or disabled, not so bad if your'e an old etonian though eh !!
What do you think of UKIP prospects for the NHS.

They want to privatise every single bit of it, they want to get rid of National Insurance contributions - when that happens you will be sorry, as in every country where there is no state health system the price of health insurance rises sharply as the insurance companies make a "killing".

For instance when I lived in Holland they removed the public health system and it went private. In 2007 my health insurance bill was €77/month whilst last year it was €297/month. And lets not forget that EVERYONE has to pay for it from babies to pensioners and if they don't pay t they get fined and then prison sentences!!! Now that is fact, and then look at the health system in the USA and look at how much it costs!!

That is what UKIP wants - fact!!!!!! (www.ukip.org)
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pimpmaster[/bold] wrote: if most people that was planning on voting ukip actually looked at their manifesto they would run a mile. charging to see your doctor. cutting tax for the rich to 22%. scrapping employers contribution to national insurance. more cuts to the public sector meaning millions of jobs cut.[/p][/quote]What do you think the Conservatives have in mind for the NHS ? if it left up to them you'll be paying a fortune for health insurance, they could'nt care less for the lower working class, the unemployed or disabled, not so bad if your'e an old etonian though eh !![/p][/quote]What do you think of UKIP prospects for the NHS. They want to privatise every single bit of it, they want to get rid of National Insurance contributions - when that happens you will be sorry, as in every country where there is no state health system the price of health insurance rises sharply as the insurance companies make a "killing". For instance when I lived in Holland they removed the public health system and it went private. In 2007 my health insurance bill was €77/month whilst last year it was €297/month. And lets not forget that EVERYONE has to pay for it from babies to pensioners and if they don't pay t they get fined and then prison sentences!!! Now that is fact, and then look at the health system in the USA and look at how much it costs!! That is what UKIP wants - fact!!!!!! (www.ukip.org) BWFC71
  • Score: -47

10:26pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

bwfc58 wrote:
BWFC71 I no longer read your comments i just click on the thump down because you are many people like you want to run this once great country in the ground and flood this once great country with even more Immigrants well I for one and all my family and friends even the ones that use to vote for the Conservatives are now going to vote for UKIP and some of them live in other parts of this once great country because we have all had enough and we want to give UKIP a chance and also i want this postal voting to stop as this is one way that Labour gets most of there votes FACT they are the ones that have flooded this once great country with Immigrants and a lot of them have brought a lot of crime over to this once great country FACT and the Conservatives and Leb-dems just want to get rid of the NHS and our once great Police force with sub standard services and even Teachers and the Fire-service are suffering under the Conservatives and Leb-Dems FACT now most of you will agree with me and a few of you will not agree with me but them that do not I could not care less but the ones that do I will just say ( UKIP ) lets get them in power and give them a chance
1. I don't care if you give me the thumbs down on every single one of my posts - just shows your own ignorance!

2. Run this country down - in fact contrary t is the other way round I want this country to be great and we are no longer an Empire to do that and as such we need partners to help make this country great!

3. Immigrants have bee coming to this country for centuries. In fact if it wasn't for the Flemish weavers moving from Holland and Belgium to Bolton then Bolton would not have become part of the heart of the Industrial Revolution!!!

4. Polish have been coming here since long before the Victorian era due to the fact to the closeness of our great nations. If we did not have that closeness would we have gone against Germany when they invaded our partner nation?

5. UKIP keep advertising that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians want to live in the UK. now please show me these 29 million when in reality there is only 26 million in total!!!!

6. UK is open t 485million people - ok, lets look at it the other way. Europe is open to 65 million British people so why are we not taking that opportunity and making the money because of weaker countries? Laziness?? Or is it because we epeect everything to be done for us in this country???

7. What is wrong with postal voting - if it means more people will vote then keep it! If it means that the same number of people vote, or even less, then sure get rid of it!

8. 2million immigrants is flooding the UK of a country that already has 65million inhabitants??? Get real, and lets not forget that over 2.75 million British live in the other EU countries. Reality is that there are more British living in the EU than any other nation has living in the UK or other EU nations, than their own, as a whole!!!

9. UKIP want to privatise the NHS - in fact UKIP want the US system where the poor cannot afford it and thus left to die!!! (www.ukip.org). That took place in The Netherlands and the price went from €77/month in 2007 to approx. €300/month just last year per person (including babies, children and pensioners)

10. I agree with you with regards to Teachers and other public funded vocations, but UKIP are no different and actually want them privatised!!! Therefore are YOU prepared to send a child to school and have to pay, on average £7,500 per school year before unfirms, meals, books etc etc etc? (www.ukip.org)

11. Do you want to vote for a Political arty that praises the Banks for what they have done and do not believe that it was the bankers that took us into a world recession??? In fact they want to give more freedom to the banks and let the bankers gain even bigger bonuses!!! (www.ukip.org)
[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: BWFC71 I no longer read your comments i just click on the thump down because you are many people like you want to run this once great country in the ground and flood this once great country with even more Immigrants well I for one and all my family and friends even the ones that use to vote for the Conservatives are now going to vote for UKIP and some of them live in other parts of this once great country because we have all had enough and we want to give UKIP a chance and also i want this postal voting to stop as this is one way that Labour gets most of there votes FACT they are the ones that have flooded this once great country with Immigrants and a lot of them have brought a lot of crime over to this once great country FACT and the Conservatives and Leb-dems just want to get rid of the NHS and our once great Police force with sub standard services and even Teachers and the Fire-service are suffering under the Conservatives and Leb-Dems FACT now most of you will agree with me and a few of you will not agree with me but them that do not I could not care less but the ones that do I will just say ( UKIP ) lets get them in power and give them a chance[/p][/quote]1. I don't care if you give me the thumbs down on every single one of my posts - just shows your own ignorance! 2. Run this country down - in fact contrary t is the other way round I want this country to be great and we are no longer an Empire to do that and as such we need partners to help make this country great! 3. Immigrants have bee coming to this country for centuries. In fact if it wasn't for the Flemish weavers moving from Holland and Belgium to Bolton then Bolton would not have become part of the heart of the Industrial Revolution!!! 4. Polish have been coming here since long before the Victorian era due to the fact to the closeness of our great nations. If we did not have that closeness would we have gone against Germany when they invaded our partner nation? 5. UKIP keep advertising that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians want to live in the UK. now please show me these 29 million when in reality there is only 26 million in total!!!! 6. UK is open t 485million people - ok, lets look at it the other way. Europe is open to 65 million British people so why are we not taking that opportunity and making the money because of weaker countries? Laziness?? Or is it because we epeect everything to be done for us in this country??? 7. What is wrong with postal voting - if it means more people will vote then keep it! If it means that the same number of people vote, or even less, then sure get rid of it! 8. 2million immigrants is flooding the UK of a country that already has 65million inhabitants??? Get real, and lets not forget that over 2.75 million British live in the other EU countries. Reality is that there are more British living in the EU than any other nation has living in the UK or other EU nations, than their own, as a whole!!! 9. UKIP want to privatise the NHS - in fact UKIP want the US system where the poor cannot afford it and thus left to die!!! (www.ukip.org). That took place in The Netherlands and the price went from €77/month in 2007 to approx. €300/month just last year per person (including babies, children and pensioners) 10. I agree with you with regards to Teachers and other public funded vocations, but UKIP are no different and actually want them privatised!!! Therefore are YOU prepared to send a child to school and have to pay, on average £7,500 per school year before unfirms, meals, books etc etc etc? (www.ukip.org) 11. Do you want to vote for a Political arty that praises the Banks for what they have done and do not believe that it was the bankers that took us into a world recession??? In fact they want to give more freedom to the banks and let the bankers gain even bigger bonuses!!! (www.ukip.org) BWFC71
  • Score: -47

11:23pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Lets look at what UKIP want....

A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite?

Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day!

Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's???

Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE!

Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!!

A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!!

Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!!

Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec
onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever)

No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country!

Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel!

Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that....

Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!!

Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc

No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!!

Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court!

No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!!

Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws!

Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft!

Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country???

Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this?

Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money!

Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!!

Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools?

Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!!

No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!!

The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!!

Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!!
Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -51

7:36am Fri 28 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!!
You should be running the world you have the answer to everything see into the future & seem to know what everyone is going to do. You are a UKIP expert with what their policys are but its a stab in the dark because the Manifesto has not been published yet. Perhaps you could tell us the alternative to ukip ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!![/p][/quote]You should be running the world you have the answer to everything see into the future & seem to know what everyone is going to do. You are a UKIP expert with what their policys are but its a stab in the dark because the Manifesto has not been published yet. Perhaps you could tell us the alternative to ukip ? thomas222
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thomas222 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!!
You should be running the world you have the answer to everything see into the future & seem to know what everyone is going to do. You are a UKIP expert with what their policys are but its a stab in the dark because the Manifesto has not been published yet. Perhaps you could tell us the alternative to ukip ?
We give the EU £55 Million a day every day & they give us back about half & instructions what to spend it on with their approval. That is not good no matter the way you spin it. I take it you think Sharia should become law do you. How surprising.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!![/p][/quote]You should be running the world you have the answer to everything see into the future & seem to know what everyone is going to do. You are a UKIP expert with what their policys are but its a stab in the dark because the Manifesto has not been published yet. Perhaps you could tell us the alternative to ukip ?[/p][/quote]We give the EU £55 Million a day every day & they give us back about half & instructions what to spend it on with their approval. That is not good no matter the way you spin it. I take it you think Sharia should become law do you. How surprising. thomas222
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Fri 28 Mar 14

rufusbrown says...

wow

i see BWFC is still up to his old tricks of arguing with everyone and generally making it look like he has serious mental health problems on the internet every night

carry on................ its funny ( your life )

the pattern usually follows the same sorry story

1 - BWFC start arguments with everyone

2 - Everyone laughs at him and tells him to get help for his clear mental health issues

3 - BWFC carries on arguing

4 - Everyone then ignores him

5 - BWFC tells everyone he has a flight to geneva/amsterdam etc to sort out dome owrld crisis and then goes quiet for a few days

6 - the cycle starts again

its truly pathetic but just like jeremy kyle, its also very very funny
wow i see BWFC is still up to his old tricks of arguing with everyone and generally making it look like he has serious mental health problems on the internet every night carry on................ its funny ( your life ) the pattern usually follows the same sorry story 1 - BWFC start arguments with everyone 2 - Everyone laughs at him and tells him to get help for his clear mental health issues 3 - BWFC carries on arguing 4 - Everyone then ignores him 5 - BWFC tells everyone he has a flight to geneva/amsterdam etc to sort out dome owrld crisis and then goes quiet for a few days 6 - the cycle starts again its truly pathetic but just like jeremy kyle, its also very very funny rufusbrown
  • Score: 6

2:53pm Fri 28 Mar 14

rufusbrown says...

oops i meant some world........... not done owrld

i must be catching BWFCs low intelligence

scary stuff
oops i meant some world........... not done owrld i must be catching BWFCs low intelligence scary stuff rufusbrown
  • Score: 6

3:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

gigglebox3 says...

lets face it UKIP councillors in Bolton couldnt do a worse job than the lot we have now!
lets face it UKIP councillors in Bolton couldnt do a worse job than the lot we have now! gigglebox3
  • Score: 7

7:54am Sun 30 Mar 14

By George says...

many People from fiercely insist that they live in Lancashire, not in Greater Manchester, as do many Oldhamers, Wiganers and Rochdalians! Even more confusingly, parts of Trafford, and Stockport used to be within the County of Cheshire. When the people who live in Scotland have their say on independance then we should have the same opportunity for Lancastrians. Ukip will you give us a vote?
many People from fiercely insist that they live in Lancashire, not in Greater Manchester, as do many Oldhamers, Wiganers and Rochdalians! Even more confusingly, parts of Trafford, and Stockport used to be within the County of Cheshire. When the people who live in Scotland have their say on independance then we should have the same opportunity for Lancastrians. Ukip will you give us a vote? By George
  • Score: 4

9:46am Sun 30 Mar 14

the hand says...

thomas222 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!!
You should be running the world you have the answer to everything see into the future & seem to know what everyone is going to do. You are a UKIP expert with what their policys are but its a stab in the dark because the Manifesto has not been published yet. Perhaps you could tell us the alternative to ukip ?
We give the EU £55 Million a day every day & they give us back about half & instructions what to spend it on with their approval. That is not good no matter the way you spin it. I take it you think Sharia should become law do you. How surprising.
What you all seem to forget is this is only a small island and one that I love but it can only sustain so many I don't have much of a problem with migrants comin here for work but don't let them settle they don't consider themselves British and never will they also send huge parts of wages home to their family's which does not get put back into the economy Winston Churchill did have a vision for Europe as rightly stated in some comments but this is not the Europe he wanted Enoch Powell another great pollitical mind tried to warn us all back in the day but was wrongly vilified I say give skip a try they can't do much worse than the current lot who have sadly let the country I love go down
Pan which ever one has been in charge
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!![/p][/quote]You should be running the world you have the answer to everything see into the future & seem to know what everyone is going to do. You are a UKIP expert with what their policys are but its a stab in the dark because the Manifesto has not been published yet. Perhaps you could tell us the alternative to ukip ?[/p][/quote]We give the EU £55 Million a day every day & they give us back about half & instructions what to spend it on with their approval. That is not good no matter the way you spin it. I take it you think Sharia should become law do you. How surprising.[/p][/quote]What you all seem to forget is this is only a small island and one that I love but it can only sustain so many I don't have much of a problem with migrants comin here for work but don't let them settle they don't consider themselves British and never will they also send huge parts of wages home to their family's which does not get put back into the economy Winston Churchill did have a vision for Europe as rightly stated in some comments but this is not the Europe he wanted Enoch Powell another great pollitical mind tried to warn us all back in the day but was wrongly vilified I say give skip a try they can't do much worse than the current lot who have sadly let the country I love go down Pan which ever one has been in charge the hand
  • Score: 4

10:58am Sun 30 Mar 14

bwfc58 says...

People that are going to give UKIP a chance all I can say is that you are all Fantastic because we have all woken up to the way this once great Country as become all the so called three main parties over the last 40 years have let all the British people down badly by flooding this once great country with Immigrants and like ( the hand ) as stated they will never class Them-Self's as British and again he is spot on they do send most of the money back to there own countries and also they will put Lancashire and Cheshire and all the other Towns back to were they all belong and get rid of this silly name Greater Manchester because like I always state it only Benefits Manchester and Salford FACT now again most of you will agree with me and only a few will not agree with me but them that do not I could not care less about you but I do care about the ones that do
People that are going to give UKIP a chance all I can say is that you are all Fantastic because we have all woken up to the way this once great Country as become all the so called three main parties over the last 40 years have let all the British people down badly by flooding this once great country with Immigrants and like ( the hand ) as stated they will never class Them-Self's as British and again he is spot on they do send most of the money back to there own countries and also they will put Lancashire and Cheshire and all the other Towns back to were they all belong and get rid of this silly name Greater Manchester because like I always state it only Benefits Manchester and Salford FACT now again most of you will agree with me and only a few will not agree with me but them that do not I could not care less about you but I do care about the ones that do bwfc58
  • Score: 4

8:19am Mon 31 Mar 14

the hand says...

If the Scottish can have a referendum for leaving the union then let us have one for leaving greater Manchester I am not a manc and never will be Lancashire born and bred long live the red rose the only reason they want us as part of gm is two fold boundary changes for safe seats and to ciphan money's which should go to our wards wear the red rose with pride guys
If the Scottish can have a referendum for leaving the union then let us have one for leaving greater Manchester I am not a manc and never will be Lancashire born and bred long live the red rose the only reason they want us as part of gm is two fold boundary changes for safe seats and to ciphan money's which should go to our wards wear the red rose with pride guys the hand
  • Score: 2

6:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

the hand wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!!
You should be running the world you have the answer to everything see into the future & seem to know what everyone is going to do. You are a UKIP expert with what their policys are but its a stab in the dark because the Manifesto has not been published yet. Perhaps you could tell us the alternative to ukip ?
We give the EU £55 Million a day every day & they give us back about half & instructions what to spend it on with their approval. That is not good no matter the way you spin it. I take it you think Sharia should become law do you. How surprising.
What you all seem to forget is this is only a small island and one that I love but it can only sustain so many I don't have much of a problem with migrants comin here for work but don't let them settle they don't consider themselves British and never will they also send huge parts of wages home to their family's which does not get put back into the economy Winston Churchill did have a vision for Europe as rightly stated in some comments but this is not the Europe he wanted Enoch Powell another great pollitical mind tried to warn us all back in the day but was wrongly vilified I say give skip a try they can't do much worse than the current lot who have sadly let the country I love go down
Pan which ever one has been in charge
Blimey! not even the Bible is as long as this.
[quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Lets look at what UKIP want.... A vote for UKIP is a vote to leave the EU and recover power over our national life. - recover what power lost. Do we really want to have different laws than other countries in Europe - so that when we go abroad we fall foul and get arrested or vice versa? Is this because these laws come from Brussels and not Westminster but you would support it all if they came from Westminster? Isn't that just being an hypocrite? Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around. - for that to happen we would require the same treaties to be signed as what Switzerland Lichtenstein, Norway and Iceland (The European Free Trade Association) BUT they still have to pay to trade with the EU and in fact Switzerland and Lichtenstein also signed the Schengen Agreement which means they have open border, unlike UK and Ireland who opted out of the Schengen Agreement!!! They don't actually depend on us for jobs, considering unemployment figures across the EU are falling far quicker than what they are in the UK and, infact, just this week alone, in the UK, there has been an announcement of over 8,000 job losses from private companies!!! If they relied on the UK then how could hey help out Greece, Spain and Portugal without our assistance of which most of those loans have now been repaid, considering our debt is getting larger each day! Binding local and national referenda, at the public’s request, on major issues. - blimey how much is that going to cost and how are people going to get time off to keep voting for this that ad the other if there are basically going to be referendum for more or less everything the Government ants to do!!! In fact why would the UK need a Parliament if its just going to be the common person that votes for every decision! Plus just imagine the cost of doing all this - whatever we save with not being in the EU is going to be swallowed up with all these referenda's??? Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU. - as I said above we OPTED OUT of the Schengen Agreement, along with Ireland and that means we still have borders and control!!!! In fact Geert Wilders was banned from entering the UK - "Wilders defied the ban and took a British Midland Airways flight from Amsterdam to London Heathrow Airport on 12 February 2006, accompanied by television crews. Upon arrival, he was quickly detained by UK Border Agency officials, and deported on one of the next flights to the Netherlands." And he isn't the only person to be barred from entering the UK at some point or another or still is! So that statement is completely FALSE! Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it. - WHY? There are reciprocal treaties in place saying that any EU citizen can claim in any EU country no matter where they have come from. Such as, for example, anyone moving to and living in Spain can claim benefits there instead of the UK. Or an unemployed person could move to Holland and gain benefits (which is basically 70% of their last monthly wage for 14 months and then minimum wage - which is still higher than here!!!) - As it is 95% of migrants do go into private rental property and 97% of migrants already have jobs lined up before they come over - lets not forget that thy have already paid into the pot with their income tax they have paid in their own country before moving (again refer back to reciprocal treaties!)!!! A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits. - in points used system would they use? Australia have EIGHT different points system and they can be very easily by-passed. Even the points system they use in the US is fatally flawed and can be easily by-passed! So points based system doesn't work!!! Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK. - again refer to the above with regards to reciprocal treaties between EU countries and lets not forget that ALL citizens have the European Health insurance Card which allows reciprocal health treatment!!! Save £55million a day in membership fees by leaving the EU and give British workers first crack at the 800,000 jobs we currently advertise to EU workers. - it may be £55million to the EU, but how much comes back? Between £45million and £50million/day (www.ec.europa.eu/ec onomy_finance) Also lets not forget that EU money has granted many buldings and created jobs both in Bolton and elsewhere in the UK. For instance Spinningfields in Manchester which had an 80% grant from the EU has created over 8,000 jobs so far and its still being built - would that have been built if they didn't get the grant??? But that is just one example of thousands where the EU has helped with financial grants! (I could go on but it would last almost forever) No tax on the minimum wage. - why not? In fact I would go further and introduce a tax on benefits, like very other country in the world!!! People should pay tax on what they earn otherwise they are not helping the country! Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes. - this already happens if jobs have not been found after 6 months!!! So why try to create the wheel when we already have the wheel! Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies. - but they want a HS2 based in the south east and going up the east cost to Newcastle - which would cost more than triple of the HS2. A bit hypocritical as for windfarms - just go to The Netherlands and see them in action and see how much power they do actually generate!!!!!!!! But saying that.... Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. - firstly they support shale gas, which has a bad publicity! Secondly the companies doing the fracking are PRIVATE foreign companies doing this for profit and as such will not line the UK's pockets or even bring cheap energy!!! Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous. - but what about The Commonwealth where out of 67 countries only 7 are profitable countries and the rest gain aid from us, but UKIP want to trade with these poor uneconomic countries!!!! Then what about the grants we give to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland which allows them free/cheap education prescriptions etc etc etc No cuts to front line policing. - where are they going to get the money from considering our debt is rising on a daily basis by about 50million/day now, plus UKIP want to do this that and the other so where is the money coming from, unless they raise the taxes!!! Make sentences mean what they say. - so they want to take away the democratic decision of sentences from judges and make it a crown policy - so who is going to govern this considering they don't trust judges and who will shore up the courts considering they are basically doing the judges job. Yes there are some silly judgements and do need to be tightened but that is down to the court system and NOT government to get involved, otherwise it becomes confusing as who has thee right to judge - next steep would be a kangaroo court! No votes for prisoners - that’s what losing your liberty means. - AGREED but prisoners are not getting the vote, that has already been discussed!!! Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon - not abandoned as we, and Ireland, NEVER signed the Schengen agreement and people can be arrested/blocked from the country already with the current laws! Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system. It works the other way as well, so we lose the chance of arresting people from other EU countries to question them over crimes?? Plain daft! Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. - Remove us from a court that was created by the British - what would that show to the world about the UK, that we are just as bad as China and North Korea, and they we don't care about Human Rights after what Churchill and the armed forces have ever done for this country??? Open GP surgeries in the evening, for full-time workers, where there is demand. - where are they going to get the extra doctors to do this, or will they make doctors work even longer hours, which would be against the law!!!! Plus where is the money going to come from to do this? Locally-elected County Health Boards to inspect hospitals - to avoid another Stafford Hospital crisis. Again creating an extra level to soak money away from other needed areas - why create an extra tier which will cost rather than save? Almost as sensible as having Police commissioners and commissioners offices which cost money! Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally. Nope. It should be based upon need and not social activity. As it is people should be closer to their work rather than family, as work takes up the more of ones time rather than extended family.. That is just a luxury rather than a necessity!!!! Allow the creation of new grammar schools - but UKIP are in favour of privatising school and education. Therefore they become more choosey in who they take and becomes expensive. But what happens to the children who do not make it into the schools? Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years. - again I refer to the reciprocal treaties that are in place. If wanted an unemployed person can move to another country and actually be better off because of the agreement! It works both ways, but the press don't want to tell you that and only show it as one-way!!!! No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech. That means the "N" word would come back so would all the other derogatory words that puts people down. I agree we need to be sensible but this would open the door to being more racist and discriminative towards people of various minorities!!! Now that is pathetic and showing UKIP in their true colours!!! The law of the land must apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. - It already applies to everyone, if they mean Sharia law then it doesn't apply even if the press keep on harking about it.. Guess what many have been arrested by trying to thrust their religious laws upon people and will continue to do so. But look carefully at some of their religious teachings as quite a bit are exactly the same as what the Bible says!!! Teach children positive messages and pride in their country. We want to unite through better integration. - They already do and many schools start the day with praising what happens in this country and proud to be British!!! Education is one of the British proudest gifts we have!!!![/p][/quote]You should be running the world you have the answer to everything see into the future & seem to know what everyone is going to do. You are a UKIP expert with what their policys are but its a stab in the dark because the Manifesto has not been published yet. Perhaps you could tell us the alternative to ukip ?[/p][/quote]We give the EU £55 Million a day every day & they give us back about half & instructions what to spend it on with their approval. That is not good no matter the way you spin it. I take it you think Sharia should become law do you. How surprising.[/p][/quote]What you all seem to forget is this is only a small island and one that I love but it can only sustain so many I don't have much of a problem with migrants comin here for work but don't let them settle they don't consider themselves British and never will they also send huge parts of wages home to their family's which does not get put back into the economy Winston Churchill did have a vision for Europe as rightly stated in some comments but this is not the Europe he wanted Enoch Powell another great pollitical mind tried to warn us all back in the day but was wrongly vilified I say give skip a try they can't do much worse than the current lot who have sadly let the country I love go down Pan which ever one has been in charge[/p][/quote]Blimey! not even the Bible is as long as this. holloway_david
  • Score: 2

11:20pm Mon 31 Mar 14

mb63 says...

There will be a huge vote for UKIP!
But it will not change anything in Bolton, as certain factions/cultures/pe
oplenot likeme! Are blackmailing the council AND our MPs! For their votes.
There will be a huge vote for UKIP! But it will not change anything in Bolton, as certain factions/cultures/pe oplenot likeme! Are blackmailing the council AND our MPs! For their votes. mb63
  • Score: 1

12:25am Tue 1 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

mb63 wrote:
There will be a huge vote for UKIP!
But it will not change anything in Bolton, as certain factions/cultures/pe

oplenot likeme! Are blackmailing the council AND our MPs! For their votes.
Not ukip we are having them...
[quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: There will be a huge vote for UKIP! But it will not change anything in Bolton, as certain factions/cultures/pe oplenot likeme! Are blackmailing the council AND our MPs! For their votes.[/p][/quote]Not ukip we are having them... thomas222
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