Health chiefs defend mental health bed closures

The Bolton News: Health chiefs defend mental health bed closures Health chiefs defend mental health bed closures

MENTAL health chiefs have strongly defended their proposals to deliver care in the community.

Greater Manchester West Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust (GMW) has also given its full assurance that wards will not shut until the new system is up and running.

Currently about half of the patients staying in the three mental health wards at the Royal Bolton Hospital are detained under the Mental Health Act — also known as being under section.

Gill Green, director of operations and nursing at GMW, says community staffing teams will be ready for the hand over, if plans are approved.

Ms Green added: “No bed based reduction will go ahead until seven day working has been put in place.”

GMW has also stressed the reduction of hospital beds will not result in any patients being sent out Bolton, Trafford or Salford for treatment.

Ms Green added: “We have a robust management system in place. There may have been placements of that nature in the past but that is not the case now.

“We can provide all specialist services within the GMW footprint.”

The CCG will make a decision, after the public consultation ends on Sunday, at its board meeting in May.

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9:54am Sat 29 Mar 14

oftbewildered2 says...

the patients who are detailed under the Mental Health Act are considered to be a danger either to themselves or others - surely they will not be cared for in the community? Or is it intended that only sectioned patients will be in patients? Do not forget that occasionally older people have to be admitted under a Section. I await the outcome with interest.
the patients who are detailed under the Mental Health Act are considered to be a danger either to themselves or others - surely they will not be cared for in the community? Or is it intended that only sectioned patients will be in patients? Do not forget that occasionally older people have to be admitted under a Section. I await the outcome with interest. oftbewildered2
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2:14pm Sat 29 Mar 14

wsw69 says...

Care In The Community has never, and will never work. It's a mask, and utter grade 1 bulls**t for cost cutting and doing it on the cheap, and nothing else.
Care In The Community has never, and will never work. It's a mask, and utter grade 1 bulls**t for cost cutting and doing it on the cheap, and nothing else. wsw69
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6:07pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Willow311 says...

The CCG keep telling us that they are aware of lots of support for these proposals. Would love them to show us the proof.....I've not seen any.
The CCG keep telling us that they are aware of lots of support for these proposals. Would love them to show us the proof.....I've not seen any. Willow311
  • Score: 2

5:46am Sun 30 Mar 14

Dr Martin says...

wsw69 wrote:
Care In The Community has never, and will never work. It's a mask, and utter grade 1 bulls**t for cost cutting and doing it on the cheap, and nothing else.
I wouldn't say care in the community is perfect, especially after 5pm and on weekends, however it is better than it was.
What people do not realise is that beds have been falling for nearly 60 years mainly due improved understanding of mental health , better medications and more recently the increase of therapies.
Unfortunately there are many in the system who abuse it , as though it is some sort of career, unfortunately theses people make it harder for those in genuine need of psychiatric services
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Care In The Community has never, and will never work. It's a mask, and utter grade 1 bulls**t for cost cutting and doing it on the cheap, and nothing else.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't say care in the community is perfect, especially after 5pm and on weekends, however it is better than it was. What people do not realise is that beds have been falling for nearly 60 years mainly due improved understanding of mental health , better medications and more recently the increase of therapies. Unfortunately there are many in the system who abuse it , as though it is some sort of career, unfortunately theses people make it harder for those in genuine need of psychiatric services Dr Martin
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10:12am Sun 30 Mar 14

Willow311 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Care In The Community has never, and will never work. It's a mask, and utter grade 1 bulls**t for cost cutting and doing it on the cheap, and nothing else.
I wouldn't say care in the community is perfect, especially after 5pm and on weekends, however it is better than it was.
What people do not realise is that beds have been falling for nearly 60 years mainly due improved understanding of mental health , better medications and more recently the increase of therapies.
Unfortunately there are many in the system who abuse it , as though it is some sort of career, unfortunately theses people make it harder for those in genuine need of psychiatric services
I have to agreed about beds falling for many years. Professionals are saying that mental health services are now in crisis because of it....
No more left to cut is what is being said.
Our councillors on the health scrutiny committee need to stop this outrage.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Care In The Community has never, and will never work. It's a mask, and utter grade 1 bulls**t for cost cutting and doing it on the cheap, and nothing else.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't say care in the community is perfect, especially after 5pm and on weekends, however it is better than it was. What people do not realise is that beds have been falling for nearly 60 years mainly due improved understanding of mental health , better medications and more recently the increase of therapies. Unfortunately there are many in the system who abuse it , as though it is some sort of career, unfortunately theses people make it harder for those in genuine need of psychiatric services[/p][/quote]I have to agreed about beds falling for many years. Professionals are saying that mental health services are now in crisis because of it.... No more left to cut is what is being said. Our councillors on the health scrutiny committee need to stop this outrage. Willow311
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10:47pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Dr Martin says...

Willow311 wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Care In The Community has never, and will never work. It's a mask, and utter grade 1 bulls**t for cost cutting and doing it on the cheap, and nothing else.
I wouldn't say care in the community is perfect, especially after 5pm and on weekends, however it is better than it was.
What people do not realise is that beds have been falling for nearly 60 years mainly due improved understanding of mental health , better medications and more recently the increase of therapies.
Unfortunately there are many in the system who abuse it , as though it is some sort of career, unfortunately theses people make it harder for those in genuine need of psychiatric services
I have to agreed about beds falling for many years. Professionals are saying that mental health services are now in crisis because of it....
No more left to cut is what is being said.
Our councillors on the health scrutiny committee need to stop this outrage.
I think there are many areas of the Public sector that are claiming there is a "crisis", I wouldn't say one crisis is any worse than any other.
Under the last government the NHS was lavished with (then much needed) above inflation pay awards, old psychiatric hospitals were closed and replaced by new and expensive up to date units, unfortunately these were funded by expensive PFI agreements which will run for many years (usually 25 years).
The current government(as well as the Labour who I believe cut the NHS budget 2008-2010) has turned off the taps of extra money (budget frozen but not cut) NHS /mental Health services are having to provide the same service despite increasing costs of pay, medicines and supplies eating into that same budget
I think it is very unlikely we will return to the days when the NHS has money thrown at it, so we have to make the most of what we have, a few cost cutting measures that would not impact on inpatient care would not go amiss
[quote][p][bold]Willow311[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Care In The Community has never, and will never work. It's a mask, and utter grade 1 bulls**t for cost cutting and doing it on the cheap, and nothing else.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't say care in the community is perfect, especially after 5pm and on weekends, however it is better than it was. What people do not realise is that beds have been falling for nearly 60 years mainly due improved understanding of mental health , better medications and more recently the increase of therapies. Unfortunately there are many in the system who abuse it , as though it is some sort of career, unfortunately theses people make it harder for those in genuine need of psychiatric services[/p][/quote]I have to agreed about beds falling for many years. Professionals are saying that mental health services are now in crisis because of it.... No more left to cut is what is being said. Our councillors on the health scrutiny committee need to stop this outrage.[/p][/quote]I think there are many areas of the Public sector that are claiming there is a "crisis", I wouldn't say one crisis is any worse than any other. Under the last government the NHS was lavished with (then much needed) above inflation pay awards, old psychiatric hospitals were closed and replaced by new and expensive up to date units, unfortunately these were funded by expensive PFI agreements which will run for many years (usually 25 years). The current government(as well as the Labour who I believe cut the NHS budget 2008-2010) has turned off the taps of extra money (budget frozen but not cut) NHS /mental Health services are having to provide the same service despite increasing costs of pay, medicines and supplies eating into that same budget I think it is very unlikely we will return to the days when the NHS has money thrown at it, so we have to make the most of what we have, a few cost cutting measures that would not impact on inpatient care would not go amiss Dr Martin
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