Deane taxi driver 'stoned' by yobs in Bolton town centre

Taxi driver 'stoned' by yobs in Bolton town centre

Cabbie Farhan Patel

Cabbie Farhan Patel

Cabbie Farhan Patel

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A TAXI driver has said he no longer feels safe after his vehicle was showered with stones by yobs in Bolton town centre.

Farhan Patel, aged 38, from Deane, who drives for Metro Taxis, was driving in Blackhorse Street just after 9am on Friday when a group of five teenagers pelted his cab with stones and damaged his taxi.

He pulled over and tried to video the youths with his phone but they ran away.

The incident comes just days after 25-year-old Stephen Westhead was jailed for five years at Bolton Crown Court for throwing a lit firework on to the lap of Metro driver Akilbhai Fatakiya while he was behind the wheel.

Mr Patel said it is particularly worrying that such incidents are happening in the daytime. He added: “This happened in the morning in the town centre with loads of people around, it makes me wonder if we are ever safe.

“I am just a person who is trying to do his job and to help people get around, it is unbelievable that kids of 14 or 15 think it’s okay to do this — I mean what is going on?”

Mr Patel said he believes incidents like this may be pre-planned on social media sites.

Director of Metro Taxis Nick Astley says people do not realise drivers work for themselves and rely on their vehicle to make a living.


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He said: “Luckily the damage in this case hasn’t been too big, but if a driver has to take his car off the road to get it fixed then that can affect their income and obviously their family.

“The bigger issue though is the danger these incidents can cause, if those stones caused a car to swerve and kill someone then those kids could face a manslaughter charge — I just don’t think they realise how serious the consequences could be.”

“It is disgusting when someone is coming to work and trying to make an honest living and is attacked like this.”

Police are investigating.

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8:53am Mon 31 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

There must be cameras that saw then do it.
There must be cameras that saw then do it. thomas222
  • Score: 3

8:54am Mon 31 Mar 14

Gore Seer says...

Cameras All Over Town Centre. Police Will Have Them Should Be Easy. Them Cameras Can Spot A Cigy Stump Being Dropped.
Cameras All Over Town Centre. Police Will Have Them Should Be Easy. Them Cameras Can Spot A Cigy Stump Being Dropped. Gore Seer
  • Score: 30

8:58am Mon 31 Mar 14

oftbewildered2 says...

this is not acceptable behaviour - looks like anarchy is creeping in
this is not acceptable behaviour - looks like anarchy is creeping in oftbewildered2
  • Score: 16

9:07am Mon 31 Mar 14

Boltonresident2012 says...

Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run.

Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.
Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run. Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone. Boltonresident2012
  • Score: 16

9:09am Mon 31 Mar 14

marco999 says...

My friend reported some serious vandalism in my area and it didn't even get investigated let alone get an article published in the paper. But the simple truth is that kids trash things - they've been doing it forever (the word vandal dates from ancient times) My car was recently 'keyed' all down one side, the bonnet badge was ripped off and the front bumper scuffed - all vandalism - why? No idea - it happens.
My friend reported some serious vandalism in my area and it didn't even get investigated let alone get an article published in the paper. But the simple truth is that kids trash things - they've been doing it forever (the word vandal dates from ancient times) My car was recently 'keyed' all down one side, the bonnet badge was ripped off and the front bumper scuffed - all vandalism - why? No idea - it happens. marco999
  • Score: 16

9:38am Mon 31 Mar 14

Darren1951 says...

Boltonresident2012 wrote:
Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run.

Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.
Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.
[quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run. Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.[/p][/quote]Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it. Darren1951
  • Score: -25

9:55am Mon 31 Mar 14

Boltonresident2012 says...

Darren1951 wrote:
Boltonresident2012 wrote:
Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run.

Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.
Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.
I find recently that whatever I put in the comments there are immediate thumbs down - trolls ?
[quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run. Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.[/p][/quote]Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.[/p][/quote]I find recently that whatever I put in the comments there are immediate thumbs down - trolls ? Boltonresident2012
  • Score: -17

9:57am Mon 31 Mar 14

chris25 says...

9AM on a friday must be loads of cctv ,hope they catch the thugs ,make an example of them ,taxi driving should not be a dangerous job ,they are providing a service for us it is the same when you read of this happening to the fireservice etc ,just total morons .
9AM on a friday must be loads of cctv ,hope they catch the thugs ,make an example of them ,taxi driving should not be a dangerous job ,they are providing a service for us it is the same when you read of this happening to the fireservice etc ,just total morons . chris25
  • Score: 25

10:04am Mon 31 Mar 14

CliffMorris says...

Disgusting behaviour the cops should do some real work and name and shame these idiotic morons once they get caught!
Disgusting behaviour the cops should do some real work and name and shame these idiotic morons once they get caught! CliffMorris
  • Score: 16

11:07am Mon 31 Mar 14

Rememberscarborough says...

The police must roll their eyes when they get something like this to deal with. It's dead easy to pick up the low life who do this but the courts will give them a slap on the wrist and a fine that equates to zip. Not exactly a deterrent and the guilty know this so are laughing themselves silly.

Now if we had these numbskulls picking up all the disgusting waste in the back alleys around town maybe they'd think twice....
The police must roll their eyes when they get something like this to deal with. It's dead easy to pick up the low life who do this but the courts will give them a slap on the wrist and a fine that equates to zip. Not exactly a deterrent and the guilty know this so are laughing themselves silly. Now if we had these numbskulls picking up all the disgusting waste in the back alleys around town maybe they'd think twice.... Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 13

11:19am Mon 31 Mar 14

Donkey Stone says...

Sadly this has been happening for many years. I can't recall one single arrest/prosecution. If I am wrong then please tell me.
Sadly this has been happening for many years. I can't recall one single arrest/prosecution. If I am wrong then please tell me. Donkey Stone
  • Score: -14

11:25am Mon 31 Mar 14

Donkey Stone says...

CliffMorris wrote:
Disgusting behaviour the cops should do some real work and name and shame these idiotic morons once they get caught!
Do you really believe you could shame these morons.
[quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: Disgusting behaviour the cops should do some real work and name and shame these idiotic morons once they get caught![/p][/quote]Do you really believe you could shame these morons. Donkey Stone
  • Score: -20

11:57am Mon 31 Mar 14

lammypie says...

CCTV? Bet there is no footage!!
CCTV? Bet there is no footage!! lammypie
  • Score: 2

12:28pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds. Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: -5

12:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

boltonchap says...

Boltonresident2012 wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
Boltonresident2012 wrote:
Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run.

Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.
Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.
I find recently that whatever I put in the comments there are immediate thumbs down - trolls ?
Vaguely familiar syntax and wording in this post. Also not seen this poster before. Why are you concerned about thumbs down sunshine? Stick to the issue. Scumbags and a lenient justice system.
[quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run. Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.[/p][/quote]Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.[/p][/quote]I find recently that whatever I put in the comments there are immediate thumbs down - trolls ?[/p][/quote]Vaguely familiar syntax and wording in this post. Also not seen this poster before. Why are you concerned about thumbs down sunshine? Stick to the issue. Scumbags and a lenient justice system. boltonchap
  • Score: 30

12:43pm Mon 31 Mar 14

zoomzam says...

Patently clear that this is a result of EDL filth being spewed on Social media against a particular religion.Sadly some morons feel they need to use violence to fulfill their bigoted ideas. Time to lock this scum up for good!
Patently clear that this is a result of EDL filth being spewed on Social media against a particular religion.Sadly some morons feel they need to use violence to fulfill their bigoted ideas. Time to lock this scum up for good! zoomzam
  • Score: -23

12:46pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Boltonresident2012 says...

boltonchap wrote:
Boltonresident2012 wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
Boltonresident2012 wrote:
Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run.

Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.
Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.
I find recently that whatever I put in the comments there are immediate thumbs down - trolls ?
Vaguely familiar syntax and wording in this post. Also not seen this poster before. Why are you concerned about thumbs down sunshine? Stick to the issue. Scumbags and a lenient justice system.
Thumbs down even when when I've said someone who has done something is great - Can give me a good reason for a negative on that?

I only post when I have something to say.

Justice is great if it can be relied on for the (and I agree with you) Scumbags. Are you telling me that you have never hears of revenge attacks that occur - religion/race and that it could never occur? Post whatever you want in return - I've done with this
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run. Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.[/p][/quote]Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.[/p][/quote]I find recently that whatever I put in the comments there are immediate thumbs down - trolls ?[/p][/quote]Vaguely familiar syntax and wording in this post. Also not seen this poster before. Why are you concerned about thumbs down sunshine? Stick to the issue. Scumbags and a lenient justice system.[/p][/quote]Thumbs down even when when I've said someone who has done something is great - Can give me a good reason for a negative on that? I only post when I have something to say. Justice is great if it can be relied on for the (and I agree with you) Scumbags. Are you telling me that you have never hears of revenge attacks that occur - religion/race and that it could never occur? Post whatever you want in return - I've done with this Boltonresident2012
  • Score: -27

12:55pm Mon 31 Mar 14

boltonnut says...

A gang of five yobs roaming around at 9am should be easy to spot,feral creatures are know to hang around in packs because on their own they are cowardly.So my point is even if there were no cctvs in this area this wandering pack of animals should show up in other areas.All it would take to identify them is some basic police work,that's if the police really give a sh1t.
A gang of five yobs roaming around at 9am should be easy to spot,feral creatures are know to hang around in packs because on their own they are cowardly.So my point is even if there were no cctvs in this area this wandering pack of animals should show up in other areas.All it would take to identify them is some basic police work,that's if the police really give a sh1t. boltonnut
  • Score: 5

1:16pm Mon 31 Mar 14

lv8151 says...

zoomzam wrote:
Patently clear that this is a result of EDL filth being spewed on Social media against a particular religion.Sadly some morons feel they need to use violence to fulfill their bigoted ideas. Time to lock this scum up for good!
and your proof it was a racist attack is ? ..... or are you just trying to incite racism yourself
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: Patently clear that this is a result of EDL filth being spewed on Social media against a particular religion.Sadly some morons feel they need to use violence to fulfill their bigoted ideas. Time to lock this scum up for good![/p][/quote]and your proof it was a racist attack is ? ..... or are you just trying to incite racism yourself lv8151
  • Score: 38

1:18pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Balboa says...

Aged 38...really???? More like 58!
Aged 38...really???? More like 58! Balboa
  • Score: 33

4:57pm Mon 31 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -53

5:09pm Mon 31 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Boltonresident2012 wrote:
boltonchap wrote:
Boltonresident2012 wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
Boltonresident2012 wrote:
Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run.

Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.
Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.
I find recently that whatever I put in the comments there are immediate thumbs down - trolls ?
Vaguely familiar syntax and wording in this post. Also not seen this poster before. Why are you concerned about thumbs down sunshine? Stick to the issue. Scumbags and a lenient justice system.
Thumbs down even when when I've said someone who has done something is great - Can give me a good reason for a negative on that?

I only post when I have something to say.

Justice is great if it can be relied on for the (and I agree with you) Scumbags. Are you telling me that you have never hears of revenge attacks that occur - religion/race and that it could never occur? Post whatever you want in return - I've done with this
The person giving the thumbs down is thinking that you is actually me with a so-called another username! (plus they are using technology to do multiple thumbs because only 1 computer can give 1 thumbs up or down per post!)

Therefore I apologise for the them giving the thumbs down to you. My advice is to just ignore them and just carry on posting about the news story. Your views are still valid by agreed with by the majority who read the online paper. Plus this person (these people) have been warned about their actions by the editors.
[quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: Unless the police deal with this NOW, through schools, pubs or whatever there is a tragedy in the making - not to mention retaliation leading to big trouble in the long run. Bolton is not perfect but it doesn't have to become a war zone.[/p][/quote]Why on earth should ANYONE want to give this the "thumbs down"/ Unless, of course, he/she is one of the sub-human specimens who did it.[/p][/quote]I find recently that whatever I put in the comments there are immediate thumbs down - trolls ?[/p][/quote]Vaguely familiar syntax and wording in this post. Also not seen this poster before. Why are you concerned about thumbs down sunshine? Stick to the issue. Scumbags and a lenient justice system.[/p][/quote]Thumbs down even when when I've said someone who has done something is great - Can give me a good reason for a negative on that? I only post when I have something to say. Justice is great if it can be relied on for the (and I agree with you) Scumbags. Are you telling me that you have never hears of revenge attacks that occur - religion/race and that it could never occur? Post whatever you want in return - I've done with this[/p][/quote]The person giving the thumbs down is thinking that you is actually me with a so-called another username! (plus they are using technology to do multiple thumbs because only 1 computer can give 1 thumbs up or down per post!) Therefore I apologise for the them giving the thumbs down to you. My advice is to just ignore them and just carry on posting about the news story. Your views are still valid by agreed with by the majority who read the online paper. Plus this person (these people) have been warned about their actions by the editors. BWFC71
  • Score: -40

5:10pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chrome1 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
Give me that magnifying glass someone. So where is this damage exactly? Yes I've found it now, a midge was sitting on it. On another note, I feel unsafe when Metro Taxi drivers are on the road. Maybe the stone throwers weren't kids but other drivers.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]Give me that magnifying glass someone. So where is this damage exactly? Yes I've found it now, a midge was sitting on it. On another note, I feel unsafe when Metro Taxi drivers are on the road. Maybe the stone throwers weren't kids but other drivers. Chrome1
  • Score: 14

5:22pm Mon 31 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

I actually prefer the roads to be full of drunken drivers as at least they drive much safer than Metro drivers who don't abide any of the road laws whatsoever!!!!

I now its an extreme but look at it from the perspective of being behind a Metro driver - Drink Drivers are FAR safer!!!!
I actually prefer the roads to be full of drunken drivers as at least they drive much safer than Metro drivers who don't abide any of the road laws whatsoever!!!! I now its an extreme but look at it from the perspective of being behind a Metro driver - Drink Drivers are FAR safer!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -53

6:33pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Jim271 says...

No point calling the police you will be lucky if they bother attending,

Their attitude is "are you in danger right now, if not then come into the station and make a statement"

However park on a yellow line and they turn up, or organise a peaceful protest,

Police are useless and lazy these days, buy a big dog instead.
No point calling the police you will be lucky if they bother attending, Their attitude is "are you in danger right now, if not then come into the station and make a statement" However park on a yellow line and they turn up, or organise a peaceful protest, Police are useless and lazy these days, buy a big dog instead. Jim271
  • Score: 6

8:04pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: 8

8:33pm Mon 31 Mar 14

holloway_david says...

zoomzam wrote:
Patently clear that this is a result of EDL filth being spewed on Social media against a particular religion.Sadly some morons feel they need to use violence to fulfill their bigoted ideas. Time to lock this scum up for good!
I do not agree with these thugs making the reported attack but why EDL ? have you proof? Bigoted they might be but thugs are thugs and can come from all walks of life that do not need a political or racial excuse to provide crime.
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: Patently clear that this is a result of EDL filth being spewed on Social media against a particular religion.Sadly some morons feel they need to use violence to fulfill their bigoted ideas. Time to lock this scum up for good![/p][/quote]I do not agree with these thugs making the reported attack but why EDL ? have you proof? Bigoted they might be but thugs are thugs and can come from all walks of life that do not need a political or racial excuse to provide crime. holloway_david
  • Score: 10

8:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Darren1951 says...

BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer."
To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".
BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer." To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others". Darren1951
  • Score: -4

8:42pm Mon 31 Mar 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

"All tap shoes are shiny, but mine are more shiny than the rest." - Lionel Blair.
"All tap shoes are shiny, but mine are more shiny than the rest." - Lionel Blair. OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 2

10:17pm Mon 31 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Darren1951 wrote:
BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer."
To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".
Some are right and some are wrong but just as you or I believe in our posts then we are both right!
[quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer." To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".[/p][/quote]Some are right and some are wrong but just as you or I believe in our posts then we are both right! BWFC71
  • Score: -36

10:19pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Darren1951 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer."
To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".
Some are right and some are wrong but just as you or I believe in our posts then we are both right!
Uh-ohh - toilet alert!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer." To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".[/p][/quote]Some are right and some are wrong but just as you or I believe in our posts then we are both right![/p][/quote]Uh-ohh - toilet alert! Darren1951
  • Score: -1

10:42pm Mon 31 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x
It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts.

You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's.

Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!!
[quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x[/p][/quote]It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts. You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's. Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -30

8:53am Tue 1 Apr 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x
It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts.

You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's.

Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!!
I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition.

Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x[/p][/quote]It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts. You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's. Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!![/p][/quote]I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition. Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home. Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: 0

9:53am Tue 1 Apr 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x
It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts.

You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's.

Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!!
I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition.

Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.
innate*
[quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x[/p][/quote]It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts. You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's. Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!![/p][/quote]I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition. Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.[/p][/quote]innate* Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: 2

9:58am Tue 1 Apr 14

Darren1951 says...

Darren1951 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer."
To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".
Some are right and some are wrong but just as you or I believe in our posts then we are both right!
Uh-ohh - toilet alert!
BWFC71; "we are both right"
But, some of us are more right than others.
[quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer." To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".[/p][/quote]Some are right and some are wrong but just as you or I believe in our posts then we are both right![/p][/quote]Uh-ohh - toilet alert![/p][/quote]BWFC71; "we are both right" But, some of us are more right than others. Darren1951
  • Score: -1

12:02pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

Darren1951 wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer."
To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".
Some are right and some are wrong but just as you or I believe in our posts then we are both right!
Uh-ohh - toilet alert!
BWFC71; "we are both right"
But, some of us are more right than others.
Exactly and I know I am right 99.9% of the time due to reading and obtaining the exact facts and not relying on urban myths!
[quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: BWFC71 - "All comments are valid and are of the opinion of the writer." To paraphrase a certain Mr Eric Blair. "all comments are valid, but some are more valid than others".[/p][/quote]Some are right and some are wrong but just as you or I believe in our posts then we are both right![/p][/quote]Uh-ohh - toilet alert![/p][/quote]BWFC71; "we are both right" But, some of us are more right than others.[/p][/quote]Exactly and I know I am right 99.9% of the time due to reading and obtaining the exact facts and not relying on urban myths! BWFC71
  • Score: -40

12:10pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

Reebok Rhythm wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x
It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts.

You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's.

Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!!
I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition.

Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.
innate*
But the ECHR actually upheld the British Government viewpoint in wanting to remove Abu Hamza from the UK, what stalled the process was actually British Law which was introduced in the 1960's, which allowed his legal team to appeal the numerous times that they did!!!

Yes initially the ECHR did stall the process because of the conditions he would receive in the US but after discussions with the US authorities they were happy to let the UK to continue.

Would you expect any UK citizens, under arrest in a non-European (and lets not forget that the ECHR cover more European countries than those just inside the EU) country, to be treated humanely or inhumanely - no matter what they had done?
[quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x[/p][/quote]It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts. You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's. Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!![/p][/quote]I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition. Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.[/p][/quote]innate*[/p][/quote]But the ECHR actually upheld the British Government viewpoint in wanting to remove Abu Hamza from the UK, what stalled the process was actually British Law which was introduced in the 1960's, which allowed his legal team to appeal the numerous times that they did!!! Yes initially the ECHR did stall the process because of the conditions he would receive in the US but after discussions with the US authorities they were happy to let the UK to continue. Would you expect any UK citizens, under arrest in a non-European (and lets not forget that the ECHR cover more European countries than those just inside the EU) country, to be treated humanely or inhumanely - no matter what they had done? BWFC71
  • Score: -41

12:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x
It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts.

You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's.

Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!!
I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition.

Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.
innate*
But the ECHR actually upheld the British Government viewpoint in wanting to remove Abu Hamza from the UK, what stalled the process was actually British Law which was introduced in the 1960's, which allowed his legal team to appeal the numerous times that they did!!!

Yes initially the ECHR did stall the process because of the conditions he would receive in the US but after discussions with the US authorities they were happy to let the UK to continue.

Would you expect any UK citizens, under arrest in a non-European (and lets not forget that the ECHR cover more European countries than those just inside the EU) country, to be treated humanely or inhumanely - no matter what they had done?
Yes, of course I agree with being suspects being treated in a humane way. You need to understand though, that not only did the extradition battle cost the UK approximately 2 Million, but it took an extraordinary length of time (10 years for it to happen!) In a decade, somebody as hell bent of causing destruction in the West as Hamza is/was, has plenty of time to continue their hatred whilst shielded under the ECHR. I wonder how many acts of terrorism across the world have been orchestrated by Hamza while he has been able to move freely in the UK under the ECHR?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x[/p][/quote]It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts. You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's. Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!![/p][/quote]I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition. Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.[/p][/quote]innate*[/p][/quote]But the ECHR actually upheld the British Government viewpoint in wanting to remove Abu Hamza from the UK, what stalled the process was actually British Law which was introduced in the 1960's, which allowed his legal team to appeal the numerous times that they did!!! Yes initially the ECHR did stall the process because of the conditions he would receive in the US but after discussions with the US authorities they were happy to let the UK to continue. Would you expect any UK citizens, under arrest in a non-European (and lets not forget that the ECHR cover more European countries than those just inside the EU) country, to be treated humanely or inhumanely - no matter what they had done?[/p][/quote]Yes, of course I agree with being suspects being treated in a humane way. You need to understand though, that not only did the extradition battle cost the UK approximately 2 Million, but it took an extraordinary length of time (10 years for it to happen!) In a decade, somebody as hell bent of causing destruction in the West as Hamza is/was, has plenty of time to continue their hatred whilst shielded under the ECHR. I wonder how many acts of terrorism across the world have been orchestrated by Hamza while he has been able to move freely in the UK under the ECHR? Reebok Rhythm
  • Score: -50

4:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x
It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts.

You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's.

Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!!
I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition.

Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.
innate*
But the ECHR actually upheld the British Government viewpoint in wanting to remove Abu Hamza from the UK, what stalled the process was actually British Law which was introduced in the 1960's, which allowed his legal team to appeal the numerous times that they did!!!

Yes initially the ECHR did stall the process because of the conditions he would receive in the US but after discussions with the US authorities they were happy to let the UK to continue.

Would you expect any UK citizens, under arrest in a non-European (and lets not forget that the ECHR cover more European countries than those just inside the EU) country, to be treated humanely or inhumanely - no matter what they had done?
Yes, of course I agree with being suspects being treated in a humane way. You need to understand though, that not only did the extradition battle cost the UK approximately 2 Million, but it took an extraordinary length of time (10 years for it to happen!) In a decade, somebody as hell bent of causing destruction in the West as Hamza is/was, has plenty of time to continue their hatred whilst shielded under the ECHR. I wonder how many acts of terrorism across the world have been orchestrated by Hamza while he has been able to move freely in the UK under the ECHR?
Thing is though for during that decade the ECHR only held it up for 6 months, the rest was due to the laws our country that allow appeal after appeal after appeal which has nothing to do with ECHR!!!

Also ECHR had no say, whatsoever, with regards to his "freedom" whilst due to the fact, again, it was down to our archaic laws which states that EVERYONE is innocent until PROVED guilty by a court of law (and pending appeals). They could have easily have kept him inside under close protection (as seen in Silk over the last couple of episodes) but that would have cost the tax payer millions more than what it did! Infact the ECHR had no complaints whatsoever with either system that the UK law system would have used to give Hamza the " protection" that was required!!!
[quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x[/p][/quote]It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts. You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's. Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!![/p][/quote]I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition. Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.[/p][/quote]innate*[/p][/quote]But the ECHR actually upheld the British Government viewpoint in wanting to remove Abu Hamza from the UK, what stalled the process was actually British Law which was introduced in the 1960's, which allowed his legal team to appeal the numerous times that they did!!! Yes initially the ECHR did stall the process because of the conditions he would receive in the US but after discussions with the US authorities they were happy to let the UK to continue. Would you expect any UK citizens, under arrest in a non-European (and lets not forget that the ECHR cover more European countries than those just inside the EU) country, to be treated humanely or inhumanely - no matter what they had done?[/p][/quote]Yes, of course I agree with being suspects being treated in a humane way. You need to understand though, that not only did the extradition battle cost the UK approximately 2 Million, but it took an extraordinary length of time (10 years for it to happen!) In a decade, somebody as hell bent of causing destruction in the West as Hamza is/was, has plenty of time to continue their hatred whilst shielded under the ECHR. I wonder how many acts of terrorism across the world have been orchestrated by Hamza while he has been able to move freely in the UK under the ECHR?[/p][/quote]Thing is though for during that decade the ECHR only held it up for 6 months, the rest was due to the laws our country that allow appeal after appeal after appeal which has nothing to do with ECHR!!! Also ECHR had no say, whatsoever, with regards to his "freedom" whilst due to the fact, again, it was down to our archaic laws which states that EVERYONE is innocent until PROVED guilty by a court of law (and pending appeals). They could have easily have kept him inside under close protection (as seen in Silk over the last couple of episodes) but that would have cost the tax payer millions more than what it did! Infact the ECHR had no complaints whatsoever with either system that the UK law system would have used to give Hamza the " protection" that was required!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -59

7:59pm Wed 2 Apr 14

faz123 says...

hi there.
I'm the victim of this incident. Yes it happened to me.
I'm thanking you all for the support and positive remarks.
I want to mention what really happened on Friday 28 March at 9 am.

I was going along black horse street towards deansgate when from a bus stand group of youths pelted my car with shower of stones.
I was in shock as what has happened.
I came out of the car I could hear shouting, cheering and offensive remarks.
I tried to video them from my phone but they where hiding there faces.
I made 999 call but took them approx 15 mins. they came on foot.

I wasn't happy of following
police where too slow.
no decent cctv in town centre
nobody in the public help at that time. it was like trauman show. everybody was watching.

there where other people who got attacked aswell.
police are still doing there investigation. cctv is not clear
but they have few names.

hopefully someone will come up with there identities and bring them to justice.

I have the video which I will post here.
thank you.
hi there. I'm the victim of this incident. Yes it happened to me. I'm thanking you all for the support and positive remarks. I want to mention what really happened on Friday 28 March at 9 am. I was going along black horse street towards deansgate when from a bus stand group of youths pelted my car with shower of stones. I was in shock as what has happened. I came out of the car I could hear shouting, cheering and offensive remarks. I tried to video them from my phone but they where hiding there faces. I made 999 call but took them approx 15 mins. they came on foot. I wasn't happy of following police where too slow. no decent cctv in town centre nobody in the public help at that time. it was like trauman show. everybody was watching. there where other people who got attacked aswell. police are still doing there investigation. cctv is not clear but they have few names. hopefully someone will come up with there identities and bring them to justice. I have the video which I will post here. thank you. faz123
  • Score: 0

9:02pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Jackael says...

faz123 wrote:
hi there.
I'm the victim of this incident. Yes it happened to me.
I'm thanking you all for the support and positive remarks.
I want to mention what really happened on Friday 28 March at 9 am.

I was going along black horse street towards deansgate when from a bus stand group of youths pelted my car with shower of stones.
I was in shock as what has happened.
I came out of the car I could hear shouting, cheering and offensive remarks.
I tried to video them from my phone but they where hiding there faces.
I made 999 call but took them approx 15 mins. they came on foot.

I wasn't happy of following
police where too slow.
no decent cctv in town centre
nobody in the public help at that time. it was like trauman show. everybody was watching.

there where other people who got attacked aswell.
police are still doing there investigation. cctv is not clear
but they have few names.

hopefully someone will come up with there identities and bring them to justice.

I have the video which I will post here.
thank you.
Maybe the police could'nt understand your statement what with the bad grammar and poor spelling !!!
[quote][p][bold]faz123[/bold] wrote: hi there. I'm the victim of this incident. Yes it happened to me. I'm thanking you all for the support and positive remarks. I want to mention what really happened on Friday 28 March at 9 am. I was going along black horse street towards deansgate when from a bus stand group of youths pelted my car with shower of stones. I was in shock as what has happened. I came out of the car I could hear shouting, cheering and offensive remarks. I tried to video them from my phone but they where hiding there faces. I made 999 call but took them approx 15 mins. they came on foot. I wasn't happy of following police where too slow. no decent cctv in town centre nobody in the public help at that time. it was like trauman show. everybody was watching. there where other people who got attacked aswell. police are still doing there investigation. cctv is not clear but they have few names. hopefully someone will come up with there identities and bring them to justice. I have the video which I will post here. thank you.[/p][/quote]Maybe the police could'nt understand your statement what with the bad grammar and poor spelling !!! Jackael
  • Score: -1

9:09am Thu 3 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reebok Rhythm wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
There must be cameras that saw then do it.
True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud.

It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.
Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries).

Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!!
I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x
It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts.

You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's.

Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!!
I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition.

Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.
innate*
But the ECHR actually upheld the British Government viewpoint in wanting to remove Abu Hamza from the UK, what stalled the process was actually British Law which was introduced in the 1960's, which allowed his legal team to appeal the numerous times that they did!!!

Yes initially the ECHR did stall the process because of the conditions he would receive in the US but after discussions with the US authorities they were happy to let the UK to continue.

Would you expect any UK citizens, under arrest in a non-European (and lets not forget that the ECHR cover more European countries than those just inside the EU) country, to be treated humanely or inhumanely - no matter what they had done?
Yes, of course I agree with being suspects being treated in a humane way. You need to understand though, that not only did the extradition battle cost the UK approximately 2 Million, but it took an extraordinary length of time (10 years for it to happen!) In a decade, somebody as hell bent of causing destruction in the West as Hamza is/was, has plenty of time to continue their hatred whilst shielded under the ECHR. I wonder how many acts of terrorism across the world have been orchestrated by Hamza while he has been able to move freely in the UK under the ECHR?
Thing is though for during that decade the ECHR only held it up for 6 months, the rest was due to the laws our country that allow appeal after appeal after appeal which has nothing to do with ECHR!!!

Also ECHR had no say, whatsoever, with regards to his "freedom" whilst due to the fact, again, it was down to our archaic laws which states that EVERYONE is innocent until PROVED guilty by a court of law (and pending appeals). They could have easily have kept him inside under close protection (as seen in Silk over the last couple of episodes) but that would have cost the tax payer millions more than what it did! Infact the ECHR had no complaints whatsoever with either system that the UK law system would have used to give Hamza the " protection" that was required!!!
I don't see 'innocent until proven guilty' as "archaic". Much better than the alternative of 'shoot now - ask questions later'.

The Hamza case wasn't held up on our archaic laws (as you put it) it was held up because the ECHR needed to know that he would be safe in the country he was being extradited to.

The real problem was that he had legal aid and with that was able to pay for the best lawyers who could challenge every tiny detail.

Rightly or wrongly the rules on legal aid have changed and the immigration department has got tougher. As can be seen by the girl who got deported this morning.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reebok Rhythm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: There must be cameras that saw then do it.[/p][/quote]True thomas222. These are a feral species from a long line of predecessors who have the same mentality and low intelligence quotient. They could be compared to modern-day neanderthals but that would be insulting to our extinct ancestors who were industrious and proud. It's time to relinquish part of the European Convention on Human Rights and punish these perpetrators accordingly. Not too robustly, but enough to instill some respect and gratitude of society that feeds, clothes and washes their behinds.[/p][/quote]Nothing has been said about the ECHR but suffice to say we already have laws in place to help capture these vandals and that the ECHR has replicated these laws to cover the countries that come under its wing (and not just EU countries). Why give up something that WE created just because you see fit to think its in the wrong when it is actually OUR change in laws from the 1960's that destroyed respect!!!![/p][/quote]I do beg your pardon, how ignorant of me to forget that you are the European and Worldwide correspondent on such matters. Please accept my apologies and resignation with immediate affect. I have always admired the fountain of knowledge you possess and how wonderful your repertoire is. I hope that when I reach my Mid-40's I am as special as you are. x x[/p][/quote]It isn't about being European, but looking at the actual facts. You are blaming the ECHR for something it had no control over the review in crime and penalties and the changes in the subsequent laws took place from the late 1950's and through the 1960's - including the abolition of the death penalty. But we only joined the EEC in 1973!!! and the ECHR took control of the Human Rights procedures for ALL of Europe in the late 1990's. Therefore your original post is a waste because it wasn't factually correct. The people to blame for the lack of respect in this country are the successive Westminster Governments since the 1950's!!![/p][/quote]I would agree to it being in the wrong context regarding the jurisdiction of Law Enforcement in the UK, and the punishment of crimes that would be seen as 'misdemeanors' as opposed to more severe crimes, but it was definitely a factual statement. A prime example of this is the 'Abu Hamza' case and how the Anti-Semetic, Anti-Western preaching clown was shielded by the European Convention on Human Rights which set a precedence for other 'Terrorism glorifiers' who were looking at a way out of extradition. Anyway, that aside, there is no legislation for respect, it is an inate quality that begins at home.[/p][/quote]innate*[/p][/quote]But the ECHR actually upheld the British Government viewpoint in wanting to remove Abu Hamza from the UK, what stalled the process was actually British Law which was introduced in the 1960's, which allowed his legal team to appeal the numerous times that they did!!! Yes initially the ECHR did stall the process because of the conditions he would receive in the US but after discussions with the US authorities they were happy to let the UK to continue. Would you expect any UK citizens, under arrest in a non-European (and lets not forget that the ECHR cover more European countries than those just inside the EU) country, to be treated humanely or inhumanely - no matter what they had done?[/p][/quote]Yes, of course I agree with being suspects being treated in a humane way. You need to understand though, that not only did the extradition battle cost the UK approximately 2 Million, but it took an extraordinary length of time (10 years for it to happen!) In a decade, somebody as hell bent of causing destruction in the West as Hamza is/was, has plenty of time to continue their hatred whilst shielded under the ECHR. I wonder how many acts of terrorism across the world have been orchestrated by Hamza while he has been able to move freely in the UK under the ECHR?[/p][/quote]Thing is though for during that decade the ECHR only held it up for 6 months, the rest was due to the laws our country that allow appeal after appeal after appeal which has nothing to do with ECHR!!! Also ECHR had no say, whatsoever, with regards to his "freedom" whilst due to the fact, again, it was down to our archaic laws which states that EVERYONE is innocent until PROVED guilty by a court of law (and pending appeals). They could have easily have kept him inside under close protection (as seen in Silk over the last couple of episodes) but that would have cost the tax payer millions more than what it did! Infact the ECHR had no complaints whatsoever with either system that the UK law system would have used to give Hamza the " protection" that was required!!![/p][/quote]I don't see 'innocent until proven guilty' as "archaic". Much better than the alternative of 'shoot now - ask questions later'. The Hamza case wasn't held up on our archaic laws (as you put it) it was held up because the ECHR needed to know that he would be safe in the country he was being extradited to. The real problem was that he had legal aid and with that was able to pay for the best lawyers who could challenge every tiny detail. Rightly or wrongly the rules on legal aid have changed and the immigration department has got tougher. As can be seen by the girl who got deported this morning. Ernagy2
  • Score: 0

9:44am Thu 3 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

I never said that the "innocent until proven guilty" was archaic but the laws that are bound to it are archaic. But I would rather have our system than the US system any day of the week.

But as I said the ECHR only held it up for 6 months because of the treatment he would receive in another country but they did, however, uphold the UK stance on wanting him removed.

But at least you agree that it was the UK law system that was the problem with regards to the numerous appeals that he was allowed to have and if he hadn't have had the Legal Aid would it have lasted for as long as it did?

Again, we have toughened up on the laws and how the Legal Aid is used and has not been opposed by the ECHR, which if people say that the ECHR is a do-gooder institution, it would have rejected the new toughened laws and regulation!!!
I never said that the "innocent until proven guilty" was archaic but the laws that are bound to it are archaic. But I would rather have our system than the US system any day of the week. But as I said the ECHR only held it up for 6 months because of the treatment he would receive in another country but they did, however, uphold the UK stance on wanting him removed. But at least you agree that it was the UK law system that was the problem with regards to the numerous appeals that he was allowed to have and if he hadn't have had the Legal Aid would it have lasted for as long as it did? Again, we have toughened up on the laws and how the Legal Aid is used and has not been opposed by the ECHR, which if people say that the ECHR is a do-gooder institution, it would have rejected the new toughened laws and regulation!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -21

1:48pm Thu 3 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

I hope these thugs get caught but I doubt it.
They should suffer the old punishments of the "Birch" followed by the "Stocks"
Location should be in the town centre and their faces published in the Bolton News with bad egg and fruit smattered over them.
The victim could have first throw followed by Cliff Morris who would then be popular for a change -----:or maybe not!
Whatever the crime now it seems the law is too lenient in general and only offering community service or smacked wrists and told "Not to do it again"
I hope these thugs get caught but I doubt it. They should suffer the old punishments of the "Birch" followed by the "Stocks" Location should be in the town centre and their faces published in the Bolton News with bad egg and fruit smattered over them. The victim could have first throw followed by Cliff Morris who would then be popular for a change -----:or maybe not! Whatever the crime now it seems the law is too lenient in general and only offering community service or smacked wrists and told "Not to do it again" holloway_david
  • Score: 4

5:37pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Coleygiz says...

Hey everyone. It's nothing to do with racism. I'm English and white and I had a breeze block thrown at my car while travelling at 70mph on the M56
Hey everyone. It's nothing to do with racism. I'm English and white and I had a breeze block thrown at my car while travelling at 70mph on the M56 Coleygiz
  • Score: 2

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