Back on track: prime minister David Cameron promises more train carriages after our campaign

Back on track: prime minister David Cameron promises more train carriages after our campaign

Prime minister David Cameron

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THE prime minister David Cameron has promised commuters an extra 200 seats on rush hour trains through Bolton.

The Bolton News has been campaigning since December for more carriages — and last night, Number 10 confirmed that more will be installed on morning commuter trains before the end of the year.

Writing exclusively in The Bolton News today, Mr Cameron says he recognises that the current service is “far too crowded for people trying to get to work in the morning”, and that the government had to act.

He writes: “I’m pleased to say that having listened to views in Bolton we’re making sure that before the end of the year we will lengthen trains where it’s possible — which means 200 extra seats on those key morning commuter trains.

“We can do it because in December the first electric trains will start running on the line between Manchester and Liverpool, freeing up spare carriages for routes like Bolton.

“And of course that’s just the start with work on course to make the Bolton line fully electric by 2016. This will be good for jobs, good for businesses and good for Bolton.”

Just four weeks ago The Bolton News presented a petition to Number 10 Downing Street with 1,400 signatures calling on the government to act, while Bolton’s three MPs presented the petition in Parliament demanding and end to overcrowding.

Over the past four months we have printed hundreds of commuters’ horror stories about their commute, called on rail bosses to take action and attracted the backing of the town’s leading politicians to fight on your behalf.

Ian Savage, editor of The Bolton News, said: “We are delighted that the prime minister has taken a personal interest in this newspaper’s campaign and listened to the concerns of Bolton’s long-suffering train commuters.

“The addition of extra seats on our peak time trains to Manchester is long overdue.

“This victory is thanks to all our readers and I am also grateful to the backing of our three MPs, who helped us take our campaign all the way to Downing Street when we handed in our petition.

“When David Cameron visited our offices last year, he promised he would look at the situation and it is excellent that he has taken such a keen interest in the campaign.

“This is exactly what good, campaigning journalism is all about. We stand up for our readers on the issues that matter, and we are delighted that it looks like there will be positive progress.

“We will be keeping a close eye on our early morning train services at the end of the year to ensure that the promise of more seats is delivered.”

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9:31am Wed 2 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

Is this the same promise they gave to First TPE about keeping diesel units once they received the electric units and yet the Government/DfT made a "secret" deal in October 2013, with Chiltern Railways, to take 9 of the diesel units off First TPE and send them down south and not advise First TPE until February of this year???
Is this the same promise they gave to First TPE about keeping diesel units once they received the electric units and yet the Government/DfT made a "secret" deal in October 2013, with Chiltern Railways, to take 9 of the diesel units off First TPE and send them down south and not advise First TPE until February of this year??? BWFC71
  • Score: -18

9:33am Wed 2 Apr 14

boozler42 says...

I welcome the addition of carriages, however I'm going query the figure given by Dave C. I would like to know how many lines will gain these extra 200 seats. Assuming each carriage has around 50 seats, then that's only 4 extra carriages at peak times. If peak is between 7-8:30 ish, how will these be spread across presumably more than 4 services? Still, well done to the BN for getting this campaign noticed. Excellent work.
I welcome the addition of carriages, however I'm going query the figure given by Dave C. I would like to know how many lines will gain these extra 200 seats. Assuming each carriage has around 50 seats, then that's only 4 extra carriages at peak times. If peak is between 7-8:30 ish, how will these be spread across presumably more than 4 services? Still, well done to the BN for getting this campaign noticed. Excellent work. boozler42
  • Score: 2

9:40am Wed 2 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

Source of my comment - The Railway Magazine (page 74)
Source of my comment - The Railway Magazine (page 74) BWFC71
  • Score: -18

9:41am Wed 2 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

boozler42 wrote:
I welcome the addition of carriages, however I'm going query the figure given by Dave C. I would like to know how many lines will gain these extra 200 seats. Assuming each carriage has around 50 seats, then that's only 4 extra carriages at peak times. If peak is between 7-8:30 ish, how will these be spread across presumably more than 4 services? Still, well done to the BN for getting this campaign noticed. Excellent work.
Truth is each carriage hold on average 100 seats therefore he is promising only 2 coaches for Bolton!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]boozler42[/bold] wrote: I welcome the addition of carriages, however I'm going query the figure given by Dave C. I would like to know how many lines will gain these extra 200 seats. Assuming each carriage has around 50 seats, then that's only 4 extra carriages at peak times. If peak is between 7-8:30 ish, how will these be spread across presumably more than 4 services? Still, well done to the BN for getting this campaign noticed. Excellent work.[/p][/quote]Truth is each carriage hold on average 100 seats therefore he is promising only 2 coaches for Bolton!!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -20

10:13am Wed 2 Apr 14

Darren1951 says...

Well, there you have it folks - David Cameron said it, so it MUST be true!
Well, there you have it folks - David Cameron said it, so it MUST be true! Darren1951
  • Score: -1

10:17am Wed 2 Apr 14

soup153 says...

Two extra carriages one each way at 7:00am problem solved till next decade when it gets re-entered on the list of thing to look at.
Two extra carriages one each way at 7:00am problem solved till next decade when it gets re-entered on the list of thing to look at. soup153
  • Score: 0

10:23am Wed 2 Apr 14

Darren1951 says...

"which means 200 extra seats on those key morning commuter trains."
Hold on folks, let's not get TOO excited JUST yet! If this does happen, it could mean either 200 extra seats PER TRAIN, which could make a significant difference. Any other interpretation of this, probably deliberately ambiguous statement would just be p****** in the wind.
"which means 200 extra seats on those key morning commuter trains." Hold on folks, let's not get TOO excited JUST yet! If this does happen, it could mean either 200 extra seats PER TRAIN, which could make a significant difference. Any other interpretation of this, probably deliberately ambiguous statement would just be p****** in the wind. Darren1951
  • Score: 0

11:32am Wed 2 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

Hold up lets look at this more carefully.....

First Transpennine Express loses 9 trains
Northern Rail having to give 2 trains to First TPE as compensation for their loss of train units
Northern Rail to gain an extra 4 trains

Therefore a total net loss of 5 trains unit thus equating to an average of 1500 seats lost each day compared to what we currently have..

Don't you just love the political spin!
Hold up lets look at this more carefully..... First Transpennine Express loses 9 trains Northern Rail having to give 2 trains to First TPE as compensation for their loss of train units Northern Rail to gain an extra 4 trains Therefore a total net loss of 5 trains unit thus equating to an average of 1500 seats lost each day compared to what we currently have.. Don't you just love the political spin! BWFC71
  • Score: -28

11:37am Wed 2 Apr 14

Darren1951 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Hold up lets look at this more carefully.....

First Transpennine Express loses 9 trains
Northern Rail having to give 2 trains to First TPE as compensation for their loss of train units
Northern Rail to gain an extra 4 trains

Therefore a total net loss of 5 trains unit thus equating to an average of 1500 seats lost each day compared to what we currently have..

Don't you just love the political spin!
Which is why, these days, we can't take at face value ANYTHING that we're told by ANY of three major parties.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Hold up lets look at this more carefully..... First Transpennine Express loses 9 trains Northern Rail having to give 2 trains to First TPE as compensation for their loss of train units Northern Rail to gain an extra 4 trains Therefore a total net loss of 5 trains unit thus equating to an average of 1500 seats lost each day compared to what we currently have.. Don't you just love the political spin![/p][/quote]Which is why, these days, we can't take at face value ANYTHING that we're told by ANY of three major parties. Darren1951
  • Score: 0

11:37am Wed 2 Apr 14

boltonchap says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Source of my comment - The Railway Magazine (page 74)
Of course it's from railway magazine 👏
The point is there will be an improvement however marginal.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Source of my comment - The Railway Magazine (page 74)[/p][/quote]Of course it's from railway magazine 👏 The point is there will be an improvement however marginal. boltonchap
  • Score: 2

1:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Go to work on a flying pig.
Go to work on a flying pig. Jim271
  • Score: 1

3:36pm Wed 2 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

boltonchap wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Source of my comment - The Railway Magazine (page 74)
Of course it's from railway magazine 👏
The point is there will be an improvement however marginal.
It isn't really an improvement. they took away 1 train an hour which was 3 coaches long and now we are going to get basically an extra 2 coach train an hour thus we are still 1 coach an hour short. The trains were overcrowded than and even more so when we get these supposedly extra units.

But no one ha mentioned one thing - what services will these be on???? Unless it starts at Bolton it will mean that the trains will still be full when they get to Bolton - just not as squashed!!!
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Source of my comment - The Railway Magazine (page 74)[/p][/quote]Of course it's from railway magazine 👏 The point is there will be an improvement however marginal.[/p][/quote]It isn't really an improvement. they took away 1 train an hour which was 3 coaches long and now we are going to get basically an extra 2 coach train an hour thus we are still 1 coach an hour short. The trains were overcrowded than and even more so when we get these supposedly extra units. But no one ha mentioned one thing - what services will these be on???? Unless it starts at Bolton it will mean that the trains will still be full when they get to Bolton - just not as squashed!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -36

7:43pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Lynn57 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Is this the same promise they gave to First TPE about keeping diesel units once they received the electric units and yet the Government/DfT made a "secret" deal in October 2013, with Chiltern Railways, to take 9 of the diesel units off First TPE and send them down south and not advise First TPE until February of this year???
Well done to Julie Hilling, Yasmin Qureshi for campaigning, it was rammed packed again this morning and I could not get on the 0855. Thanks for taking the petition to number ten. Let's now wait for it to happen..
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Is this the same promise they gave to First TPE about keeping diesel units once they received the electric units and yet the Government/DfT made a "secret" deal in October 2013, with Chiltern Railways, to take 9 of the diesel units off First TPE and send them down south and not advise First TPE until February of this year???[/p][/quote]Well done to Julie Hilling, Yasmin Qureshi for campaigning, it was rammed packed again this morning and I could not get on the 0855. Thanks for taking the petition to number ten. Let's now wait for it to happen.. Lynn57
  • Score: 1

8:33pm Wed 2 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Lynn57 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Is this the same promise they gave to First TPE about keeping diesel units once they received the electric units and yet the Government/DfT made a "secret" deal in October 2013, with Chiltern Railways, to take 9 of the diesel units off First TPE and send them down south and not advise First TPE until February of this year???
Well done to Julie Hilling, Yasmin Qureshi for campaigning, it was rammed packed again this morning and I could not get on the 0855. Thanks for taking the petition to number ten. Let's now wait for it to happen..
I do admire what they have done but it was a bit little too late as I have been campaigning via TfGM and through the letters pages for well over a year and no one listened. Only when the service was taken away from Bolton and the crushing conditions took hold did they take notice - basically a reaction rather than being pro-active like I was trying to do!

But the next big problem we face is that the diesel units predominantly have will become obsolete in 2019 as they will not be DDA compliant. Where is the investment in the new diesel trains which will be required - as the Southport and Blackburn routes will not be electrified? So that means Northern Rail, or whoever takes over the franchise in 2016, will lose over 70 train units!!!
[quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Is this the same promise they gave to First TPE about keeping diesel units once they received the electric units and yet the Government/DfT made a "secret" deal in October 2013, with Chiltern Railways, to take 9 of the diesel units off First TPE and send them down south and not advise First TPE until February of this year???[/p][/quote]Well done to Julie Hilling, Yasmin Qureshi for campaigning, it was rammed packed again this morning and I could not get on the 0855. Thanks for taking the petition to number ten. Let's now wait for it to happen..[/p][/quote]I do admire what they have done but it was a bit little too late as I have been campaigning via TfGM and through the letters pages for well over a year and no one listened. Only when the service was taken away from Bolton and the crushing conditions took hold did they take notice - basically a reaction rather than being pro-active like I was trying to do! But the next big problem we face is that the diesel units predominantly have will become obsolete in 2019 as they will not be DDA compliant. Where is the investment in the new diesel trains which will be required - as the Southport and Blackburn routes will not be electrified? So that means Northern Rail, or whoever takes over the franchise in 2016, will lose over 70 train units!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 1

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