1 in 5 'earn less than living wage' in poorest areas of Bolton

1 in 5 'earn less than living wage' in poorest areas of Bolton

1 in 5 'earn less than living wage' in poorest areas of Bolton

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ONE in five people living in the poorest areas of Bolton earn less than the living wage.

Union figures show that, in the Bolton South East constituency, 18.8pc of full-time workers are in a job that does not pay enough to cover basic costs.

The statistics were released by the TUC as it steps up its campaign for Fair Pay.

They also revealed 22.5pc of male employees earn below the living wage — deemed to be £7.65 an hour — leaving working people to rely on foodbanks.

Andrea Egan, assistant branch secretary of Bolton Unison said: “Unison fully supports the campaign for a living wage.

“The minimum wage introduced by Labour in the 1990s has been one of the most popular policies of any government in the past 25 years.

“Unfortunately it hasn’t kept up with spiralling living costs.

“In Bolton there are growing numbers of people struggling financially.

“Many of the people going to foodbanks are in low paid jobs, but finding it hard to make ends meet — this includes public sector as well as private sector workers.

“People cannot be working productively and effectively when they don’t know if they can keep a roof over their head.”

She added: “I firmly believe that unions must work together to campaign for a better deal for all low- paid workers.

“Our pay strategy within Unison, nationally and locally, is to try and achieve a living wage for all and, hopefully, put an end to poverty pay.”

In the case of part-time workers, half were earning less than the living wage.

In Bolton North East, 44.1pc of part-time workers and in Bolton West 57.2pc of part-time employees are in jobs which pay less than the living wage.

Nationally, one in five jobs pays under the living wage and, in the North West, this figure is around the same level — at 21pc.

Christian Spence, head of business intelligence at Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce, said: “Since the recession, all people have seen significant real term pay decreases and people at the bottom of the income scale are no exception.

“The national minimum wage has fallen further behind inflation since 2008, but the chamber supports both the Chancellor’s and Low Pay Commission’s recommendation of a slightly above inflationary increase in October.

“A number of local authorities are beginning to implement the living wage.

“Whilst this will make a significant difference for those employees who receive it, local authorities must also balance their responsibilities to the electorate and business community.”

He added: “Our research shows that members are supportive of an at least inflationary increase in the minimum wage. As the labour market continues to strengthen over the coming months, we expect the coming pay rounds to begin to deliver real terms increases for employees.”

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10:14am Mon 7 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

The immigrant population is driving down wages.
The immigrant population is driving down wages. Jim271
  • Score: 14

10:50am Mon 7 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Control over our borders is the only way to stop this as Jim271 says, it is driving down wages. We are swamped & cannot handle or afford things like services because of it. Its also a bit rich the Unions complaining when Unions like Unite welcome them & help them to claim the correct benefits like tax credits, housing benefits & Council tax if they join them.
Control over our borders is the only way to stop this as Jim271 says, it is driving down wages. We are swamped & cannot handle or afford things like services because of it. Its also a bit rich the Unions complaining when Unions like Unite welcome them & help them to claim the correct benefits like tax credits, housing benefits & Council tax if they join them. thomas222
  • Score: 17

11:40am Mon 7 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

I am not against the actual immigrants, I am against the companies and the government that exploits them.

As Nigel said, good news for the rich, Cheaper nannies, cheaper gardeners, cheaper drivers.

Whilst the British people who should be doing these jobs are thrown onto benefits and then told they have to work for free or visit food banks.
I am not against the actual immigrants, I am against the companies and the government that exploits them. As Nigel said, good news for the rich, Cheaper nannies, cheaper gardeners, cheaper drivers. Whilst the British people who should be doing these jobs are thrown onto benefits and then told they have to work for free or visit food banks. Jim271
  • Score: 23

12:14pm Mon 7 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Jim271 wrote:
I am not against the actual immigrants, I am against the companies and the government that exploits them.

As Nigel said, good news for the rich, Cheaper nannies, cheaper gardeners, cheaper drivers.

Whilst the British people who should be doing these jobs are thrown onto benefits and then told they have to work for free or visit food banks.
Im not against Immigrants Jim just want control to get the best for our needs from all over the world rather than low skilled workers who we have to take because of the EU laws that says we have to take them . We cant bring in people from south east Asia for example because of it even though they have the talents we want..
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: I am not against the actual immigrants, I am against the companies and the government that exploits them. As Nigel said, good news for the rich, Cheaper nannies, cheaper gardeners, cheaper drivers. Whilst the British people who should be doing these jobs are thrown onto benefits and then told they have to work for free or visit food banks.[/p][/quote]Im not against Immigrants Jim just want control to get the best for our needs from all over the world rather than low skilled workers who we have to take because of the EU laws that says we have to take them . We cant bring in people from south east Asia for example because of it even though they have the talents we want.. thomas222
  • Score: 16

12:33pm Mon 7 Apr 14

chally123 says...

It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries. chally123
  • Score: 11

12:55pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Don Kiddick says...

chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
No it isn't, it's consumers constantly attempting to pay under-the-odds for goods without a care about the stability of either the manufacturer or the supplier.
[quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]No it isn't, it's consumers constantly attempting to pay under-the-odds for goods without a care about the stability of either the manufacturer or the supplier. Don Kiddick
  • Score: 2

12:55pm Mon 7 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.
[quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay. thomas222
  • Score: 17

1:08pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Albinosupport says...

Why is there only a choice of Yes and No on the question above? What about the people who are paid less that this, like myself, already and we are definitely not happy with it? My boss actually thinks that the minimum wage should be scrapped as 'we don't deserve' that amount of pay and if it was up to him we would be paid less.
Why is there only a choice of Yes and No on the question above? What about the people who are paid less that this, like myself, already and we are definitely not happy with it? My boss actually thinks that the minimum wage should be scrapped as 'we don't deserve' that amount of pay and if it was up to him we would be paid less. Albinosupport
  • Score: 14

1:17pm Mon 7 Apr 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Then you should go to work with an empty bag and go home with a "full" one!!
Then you should go to work with an empty bag and go home with a "full" one!! cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 5

1:41pm Mon 7 Apr 14

itsnotthatbad says...

imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!!
imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!! itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 9

2:47pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.
But if we come out of Europe we lose that control of the minimum wage, which the EU introduced, and as such wages will be driven lower than now and as such wages will actually go under the minimum wage!!!!

In fact the EU has introduced so many workers rights it would be ridiculous to lose them by leaving the EU!!! It is actually worse for the big PLC's to be in Europe as it means that by law they have to employ more people than if we were outside the EU, because of the working directive allowing only so many hours, a minimum wage, and protection of workers, and giving full right to temporary workers as well!!!

Also with regards to the living wag - in many other EU countries the respective Governments have made that the law, rather than the minimum wage - so why hasn't Westminster don that here - because like as always been the workers are treated like slaves and the Government don't want workers to have the right to better themselves!!!

Minimum wages by Dutch law for employees in the age of 23 year and older, Based on 38 working hours per week:

€ 1.485,65 a month
€ 342,85 a week
€ 9,02 an hour

Youth Wages

Minimumwage in Euros for youth under 23 years, based on 38 working hours per week:

age 23 and older: € 9,02 an hour
Age 22: € 7,67 an hour
Age 21: € 6,54 an hour
Age 20: € 5,55 an hour
Age 19: € 4,74 an hour
Age 18: € 4,11 an hour
Age 17: € 3,56 an hour
Age 16: € 3,11 an hour
Age 15: € 2,71 an hour

All the above are far higher than what the UK minimum wage is!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.[/p][/quote]But if we come out of Europe we lose that control of the minimum wage, which the EU introduced, and as such wages will be driven lower than now and as such wages will actually go under the minimum wage!!!! In fact the EU has introduced so many workers rights it would be ridiculous to lose them by leaving the EU!!! It is actually worse for the big PLC's to be in Europe as it means that by law they have to employ more people than if we were outside the EU, because of the working directive allowing only so many hours, a minimum wage, and protection of workers, and giving full right to temporary workers as well!!! Also with regards to the living wag - in many other EU countries the respective Governments have made that the law, rather than the minimum wage - so why hasn't Westminster don that here - because like as always been the workers are treated like slaves and the Government don't want workers to have the right to better themselves!!! Minimum wages by Dutch law for employees in the age of 23 year and older, Based on 38 working hours per week: € 1.485,65 a month € 342,85 a week € 9,02 an hour Youth Wages Minimumwage in Euros for youth under 23 years, based on 38 working hours per week: age 23 and older: € 9,02 an hour Age 22: € 7,67 an hour Age 21: € 6,54 an hour Age 20: € 5,55 an hour Age 19: € 4,74 an hour Age 18: € 4,11 an hour Age 17: € 3,56 an hour Age 16: € 3,11 an hour Age 15: € 2,71 an hour All the above are far higher than what the UK minimum wage is!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -27

3:18pm Mon 7 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.
But if we come out of Europe we lose that control of the minimum wage, which the EU introduced, and as such wages will be driven lower than now and as such wages will actually go under the minimum wage!!!!

In fact the EU has introduced so many workers rights it would be ridiculous to lose them by leaving the EU!!! It is actually worse for the big PLC's to be in Europe as it means that by law they have to employ more people than if we were outside the EU, because of the working directive allowing only so many hours, a minimum wage, and protection of workers, and giving full right to temporary workers as well!!!

Also with regards to the living wag - in many other EU countries the respective Governments have made that the law, rather than the minimum wage - so why hasn't Westminster don that here - because like as always been the workers are treated like slaves and the Government don't want workers to have the right to better themselves!!!

Minimum wages by Dutch law for employees in the age of 23 year and older, Based on 38 working hours per week:

€ 1.485,65 a month
€ 342,85 a week
€ 9,02 an hour

Youth Wages

Minimumwage in Euros for youth under 23 years, based on 38 working hours per week:

age 23 and older: € 9,02 an hour
Age 22: € 7,67 an hour
Age 21: € 6,54 an hour
Age 20: € 5,55 an hour
Age 19: € 4,74 an hour
Age 18: € 4,11 an hour
Age 17: € 3,56 an hour
Age 16: € 3,11 an hour
Age 15: € 2,71 an hour

All the above are far higher than what the UK minimum wage is!!!
Spin spin & more spin as recently exposed by Nigel Farage who made Nick Clegg look a complete fool & exposed so many lies from him. Look at his claim of Derby Council having the same number of staff as the Eu has. His 7% figure of laws made by The EU has already been caught. Only 5% of Companys in this Country trade with the EU thats coming out next. So much for we will lose 4 million jobs eh!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.[/p][/quote]But if we come out of Europe we lose that control of the minimum wage, which the EU introduced, and as such wages will be driven lower than now and as such wages will actually go under the minimum wage!!!! In fact the EU has introduced so many workers rights it would be ridiculous to lose them by leaving the EU!!! It is actually worse for the big PLC's to be in Europe as it means that by law they have to employ more people than if we were outside the EU, because of the working directive allowing only so many hours, a minimum wage, and protection of workers, and giving full right to temporary workers as well!!! Also with regards to the living wag - in many other EU countries the respective Governments have made that the law, rather than the minimum wage - so why hasn't Westminster don that here - because like as always been the workers are treated like slaves and the Government don't want workers to have the right to better themselves!!! Minimum wages by Dutch law for employees in the age of 23 year and older, Based on 38 working hours per week: € 1.485,65 a month € 342,85 a week € 9,02 an hour Youth Wages Minimumwage in Euros for youth under 23 years, based on 38 working hours per week: age 23 and older: € 9,02 an hour Age 22: € 7,67 an hour Age 21: € 6,54 an hour Age 20: € 5,55 an hour Age 19: € 4,74 an hour Age 18: € 4,11 an hour Age 17: € 3,56 an hour Age 16: € 3,11 an hour Age 15: € 2,71 an hour All the above are far higher than what the UK minimum wage is!!![/p][/quote]Spin spin & more spin as recently exposed by Nigel Farage who made Nick Clegg look a complete fool & exposed so many lies from him. Look at his claim of Derby Council having the same number of staff as the Eu has. His 7% figure of laws made by The EU has already been caught. Only 5% of Companys in this Country trade with the EU thats coming out next. So much for we will lose 4 million jobs eh! thomas222
  • Score: -5

4:04pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.
But if we come out of Europe we lose that control of the minimum wage, which the EU introduced, and as such wages will be driven lower than now and as such wages will actually go under the minimum wage!!!!

In fact the EU has introduced so many workers rights it would be ridiculous to lose them by leaving the EU!!! It is actually worse for the big PLC's to be in Europe as it means that by law they have to employ more people than if we were outside the EU, because of the working directive allowing only so many hours, a minimum wage, and protection of workers, and giving full right to temporary workers as well!!!

Also with regards to the living wag - in many other EU countries the respective Governments have made that the law, rather than the minimum wage - so why hasn't Westminster don that here - because like as always been the workers are treated like slaves and the Government don't want workers to have the right to better themselves!!!

Minimum wages by Dutch law for employees in the age of 23 year and older, Based on 38 working hours per week:

€ 1.485,65 a month
€ 342,85 a week
€ 9,02 an hour

Youth Wages

Minimumwage in Euros for youth under 23 years, based on 38 working hours per week:

age 23 and older: € 9,02 an hour
Age 22: € 7,67 an hour
Age 21: € 6,54 an hour
Age 20: € 5,55 an hour
Age 19: € 4,74 an hour
Age 18: € 4,11 an hour
Age 17: € 3,56 an hour
Age 16: € 3,11 an hour
Age 15: € 2,71 an hour

All the above are far higher than what the UK minimum wage is!!!
Spin spin & more spin as recently exposed by Nigel Farage who made Nick Clegg look a complete fool & exposed so many lies from him. Look at his claim of Derby Council having the same number of staff as the Eu has. His 7% figure of laws made by The EU has already been caught. Only 5% of Companys in this Country trade with the EU thats coming out next. So much for we will lose 4 million jobs eh!
Can you please give evidence of where you think it is only 5% of companies.

I can name quite a few hundred straight off that trade both in and out of the rest of the EU

Trinity Mirror; Barclays; HSBC; BNYMellon; RBS Group; BoA; BA; Direct Line Group; Abellio; H&M; Primark; River Island; Mothercare; Zara; BAE Aerospace; MAG; Centrica;Newsquest; All 101 companies in the FTSE100, All 251 companies in the FTSE 250; Toyota; ITV group; - and so far that is 375 companies so far and the list goes on and on and on. Even The Burnden Group (owners of Bolton Wandererss) does ost of its trade with other countries within the EU!!!

Once again I think I have proved that you are talking nonsense that only 5% of companies deal with the other countries in the EU. In fact is that was the case then it would be showing how string the EU is and shows that basically they don't need us!!!!

Every single post you have made in this thread so far has been nonsense and actually backs-up as to why we should be in the EU and why we shouldn't!!! You don't even realise what the EU have given us as rights of workers!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.[/p][/quote]But if we come out of Europe we lose that control of the minimum wage, which the EU introduced, and as such wages will be driven lower than now and as such wages will actually go under the minimum wage!!!! In fact the EU has introduced so many workers rights it would be ridiculous to lose them by leaving the EU!!! It is actually worse for the big PLC's to be in Europe as it means that by law they have to employ more people than if we were outside the EU, because of the working directive allowing only so many hours, a minimum wage, and protection of workers, and giving full right to temporary workers as well!!! Also with regards to the living wag - in many other EU countries the respective Governments have made that the law, rather than the minimum wage - so why hasn't Westminster don that here - because like as always been the workers are treated like slaves and the Government don't want workers to have the right to better themselves!!! Minimum wages by Dutch law for employees in the age of 23 year and older, Based on 38 working hours per week: € 1.485,65 a month € 342,85 a week € 9,02 an hour Youth Wages Minimumwage in Euros for youth under 23 years, based on 38 working hours per week: age 23 and older: € 9,02 an hour Age 22: € 7,67 an hour Age 21: € 6,54 an hour Age 20: € 5,55 an hour Age 19: € 4,74 an hour Age 18: € 4,11 an hour Age 17: € 3,56 an hour Age 16: € 3,11 an hour Age 15: € 2,71 an hour All the above are far higher than what the UK minimum wage is!!![/p][/quote]Spin spin & more spin as recently exposed by Nigel Farage who made Nick Clegg look a complete fool & exposed so many lies from him. Look at his claim of Derby Council having the same number of staff as the Eu has. His 7% figure of laws made by The EU has already been caught. Only 5% of Companys in this Country trade with the EU thats coming out next. So much for we will lose 4 million jobs eh![/p][/quote]Can you please give evidence of where you think it is only 5% of companies. I can name quite a few hundred straight off that trade both in and out of the rest of the EU Trinity Mirror; Barclays; HSBC; BNYMellon; RBS Group; BoA; BA; Direct Line Group; Abellio; H&M; Primark; River Island; Mothercare; Zara; BAE Aerospace; MAG; Centrica;Newsquest; All 101 companies in the FTSE100, All 251 companies in the FTSE 250; Toyota; ITV group; - and so far that is 375 companies so far and the list goes on and on and on. Even The Burnden Group (owners of Bolton Wandererss) does ost of its trade with other countries within the EU!!! Once again I think I have proved that you are talking nonsense that only 5% of companies deal with the other countries in the EU. In fact is that was the case then it would be showing how string the EU is and shows that basically they don't need us!!!! Every single post you have made in this thread so far has been nonsense and actually backs-up as to why we should be in the EU and why we shouldn't!!! You don't even realise what the EU have given us as rights of workers!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -16

4:24pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Lets put it this way

YOU SAY: EU and migrants have pushed wages down!!
I SAY: It was the EU that introduced the minimum age and before then there were over 5 million people in the UK well under the poverty line, it is now only about 1/2 million!!! Also if we had not had the minimum wage forced upon us, how many people would now be under the poverty line? How much lower would the wages be?

It isn't spin but actual fact and a fact that Nigel Farage actually agreed with last week - so how you can shout me down for something that Farage agrees with is just beyond belief!!!

Also the stats I used to show the minimum wage in The Ntherlands is taken from - www.minimum-wage.org
Remember it is each countries Givernment that dictates the level of minimum age and not from the ECB or Brussels - therefore you have to ask yourself why has NONE of the Governments, which Farage has also expressed in not doing, raised the minimum wage to the average level across Europe or even raised it to equal the "Living" wage?

Why does Westminster want to keep the wages low in this country - they have the power to change it but don't want to!!!
Lets put it this way YOU SAY: EU and migrants have pushed wages down!! I SAY: It was the EU that introduced the minimum age and before then there were over 5 million people in the UK well under the poverty line, it is now only about 1/2 million!!! Also if we had not had the minimum wage forced upon us, how many people would now be under the poverty line? How much lower would the wages be? It isn't spin but actual fact and a fact that Nigel Farage actually agreed with last week - so how you can shout me down for something that Farage agrees with is just beyond belief!!! Also the stats I used to show the minimum wage in The Ntherlands is taken from - www.minimum-wage.org Remember it is each countries Givernment that dictates the level of minimum age and not from the ECB or Brussels - therefore you have to ask yourself why has NONE of the Governments, which Farage has also expressed in not doing, raised the minimum wage to the average level across Europe or even raised it to equal the "Living" wage? Why does Westminster want to keep the wages low in this country - they have the power to change it but don't want to!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -2

4:26pm Mon 7 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.
But if we come out of Europe we lose that control of the minimum wage, which the EU introduced, and as such wages will be driven lower than now and as such wages will actually go under the minimum wage!!!!

In fact the EU has introduced so many workers rights it would be ridiculous to lose them by leaving the EU!!! It is actually worse for the big PLC's to be in Europe as it means that by law they have to employ more people than if we were outside the EU, because of the working directive allowing only so many hours, a minimum wage, and protection of workers, and giving full right to temporary workers as well!!!

Also with regards to the living wag - in many other EU countries the respective Governments have made that the law, rather than the minimum wage - so why hasn't Westminster don that here - because like as always been the workers are treated like slaves and the Government don't want workers to have the right to better themselves!!!

Minimum wages by Dutch law for employees in the age of 23 year and older, Based on 38 working hours per week:

€ 1.485,65 a month
€ 342,85 a week
€ 9,02 an hour

Youth Wages

Minimumwage in Euros for youth under 23 years, based on 38 working hours per week:

age 23 and older: € 9,02 an hour
Age 22: € 7,67 an hour
Age 21: € 6,54 an hour
Age 20: € 5,55 an hour
Age 19: € 4,74 an hour
Age 18: € 4,11 an hour
Age 17: € 3,56 an hour
Age 16: € 3,11 an hour
Age 15: € 2,71 an hour

All the above are far higher than what the UK minimum wage is!!!
Spin spin & more spin as recently exposed by Nigel Farage who made Nick Clegg look a complete fool & exposed so many lies from him. Look at his claim of Derby Council having the same number of staff as the Eu has. His 7% figure of laws made by The EU has already been caught. Only 5% of Companys in this Country trade with the EU thats coming out next. So much for we will lose 4 million jobs eh!
Can you please give evidence of where you think it is only 5% of companies.

I can name quite a few hundred straight off that trade both in and out of the rest of the EU

Trinity Mirror; Barclays; HSBC; BNYMellon; RBS Group; BoA; BA; Direct Line Group; Abellio; H&M; Primark; River Island; Mothercare; Zara; BAE Aerospace; MAG; Centrica;Newsquest; All 101 companies in the FTSE100, All 251 companies in the FTSE 250; Toyota; ITV group; - and so far that is 375 companies so far and the list goes on and on and on. Even The Burnden Group (owners of Bolton Wandererss) does ost of its trade with other countries within the EU!!!

Once again I think I have proved that you are talking nonsense that only 5% of companies deal with the other countries in the EU. In fact is that was the case then it would be showing how string the EU is and shows that basically they don't need us!!!!

Every single post you have made in this thread so far has been nonsense and actually backs-up as to why we should be in the EU and why we shouldn't!!! You don't even realise what the EU have given us as rights of workers!!!!
PlaY back todays Daily Politics you will see it there, The EU share of global wealth (world gdp) is in long term decline. 1980 was more than 30%, is now around 20% and is projected to be 15% in 2025. While the commonwealth is predicted to grow annually by 7.3%. Why would a declining market like the EU not trade with us if they came out we buy more of them than we buy of them. Your arguments dont stack up as Clegg kindly proved to millons. Who needs who now then.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.[/p][/quote]But if we come out of Europe we lose that control of the minimum wage, which the EU introduced, and as such wages will be driven lower than now and as such wages will actually go under the minimum wage!!!! In fact the EU has introduced so many workers rights it would be ridiculous to lose them by leaving the EU!!! It is actually worse for the big PLC's to be in Europe as it means that by law they have to employ more people than if we were outside the EU, because of the working directive allowing only so many hours, a minimum wage, and protection of workers, and giving full right to temporary workers as well!!! Also with regards to the living wag - in many other EU countries the respective Governments have made that the law, rather than the minimum wage - so why hasn't Westminster don that here - because like as always been the workers are treated like slaves and the Government don't want workers to have the right to better themselves!!! Minimum wages by Dutch law for employees in the age of 23 year and older, Based on 38 working hours per week: € 1.485,65 a month € 342,85 a week € 9,02 an hour Youth Wages Minimumwage in Euros for youth under 23 years, based on 38 working hours per week: age 23 and older: € 9,02 an hour Age 22: € 7,67 an hour Age 21: € 6,54 an hour Age 20: € 5,55 an hour Age 19: € 4,74 an hour Age 18: € 4,11 an hour Age 17: € 3,56 an hour Age 16: € 3,11 an hour Age 15: € 2,71 an hour All the above are far higher than what the UK minimum wage is!!![/p][/quote]Spin spin & more spin as recently exposed by Nigel Farage who made Nick Clegg look a complete fool & exposed so many lies from him. Look at his claim of Derby Council having the same number of staff as the Eu has. His 7% figure of laws made by The EU has already been caught. Only 5% of Companys in this Country trade with the EU thats coming out next. So much for we will lose 4 million jobs eh![/p][/quote]Can you please give evidence of where you think it is only 5% of companies. I can name quite a few hundred straight off that trade both in and out of the rest of the EU Trinity Mirror; Barclays; HSBC; BNYMellon; RBS Group; BoA; BA; Direct Line Group; Abellio; H&M; Primark; River Island; Mothercare; Zara; BAE Aerospace; MAG; Centrica;Newsquest; All 101 companies in the FTSE100, All 251 companies in the FTSE 250; Toyota; ITV group; - and so far that is 375 companies so far and the list goes on and on and on. Even The Burnden Group (owners of Bolton Wandererss) does ost of its trade with other countries within the EU!!! Once again I think I have proved that you are talking nonsense that only 5% of companies deal with the other countries in the EU. In fact is that was the case then it would be showing how string the EU is and shows that basically they don't need us!!!! Every single post you have made in this thread so far has been nonsense and actually backs-up as to why we should be in the EU and why we shouldn't!!! You don't even realise what the EU have given us as rights of workers!!!![/p][/quote]PlaY back todays Daily Politics you will see it there, The EU share of global wealth (world gdp) is in long term decline. 1980 was more than 30%, is now around 20% and is projected to be 15% in 2025. While the commonwealth is predicted to grow annually by 7.3%. Why would a declining market like the EU not trade with us if they came out we buy more of them than we buy of them. Your arguments dont stack up as Clegg kindly proved to millons. Who needs who now then. thomas222
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Maybe you ought to brush your knowledge up on what the E&U has actually done for workers rights in the UK.

http://ec.europa.eu/
social/main.jsp?catI
d=706&langId=en

For, as I say, in your posts above is it clearly seen that you don't have a clue as to what the EU has done. You should as you work within those rules and conditions, as do I and 100% of every worker in the UK!!
Maybe you ought to brush your knowledge up on what the E&U has actually done for workers rights in the UK. http://ec.europa.eu/ social/main.jsp?catI d=706&langId=en For, as I say, in your posts above is it clearly seen that you don't have a clue as to what the EU has done. You should as you work within those rules and conditions, as do I and 100% of every worker in the UK!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -51

4:38pm Mon 7 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Maybe you ought to brush your knowledge up on what the E&U has actually done for workers rights in the UK.

http://ec.europa.eu/

social/main.jsp?catI

d=706&langId=en

For, as I say, in your posts above is it clearly seen that you don't have a clue as to what the EU has done. You should as you work within those rules and conditions, as do I and 100% of every worker in the UK!!
So are you saying the EU is not in decline are are you just failing to answer my point. If they so good with workers rights why do we have zero hour contracts then & millions of people being under paid or did you also miss that the this article is about people being poorly paid by employers. If they have done so much why is it millions are working and cant heat their homes because of this.....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Maybe you ought to brush your knowledge up on what the E&U has actually done for workers rights in the UK. http://ec.europa.eu/ social/main.jsp?catI d=706&langId=en For, as I say, in your posts above is it clearly seen that you don't have a clue as to what the EU has done. You should as you work within those rules and conditions, as do I and 100% of every worker in the UK!![/p][/quote]So are you saying the EU is not in decline are are you just failing to answer my point. If they so good with workers rights why do we have zero hour contracts then & millions of people being under paid or did you also miss that the this article is about people being poorly paid by employers. If they have done so much why is it millions are working and cant heat their homes because of this..... thomas222
  • Score: 3

5:33pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

No its not!

Like any other "Rich" trading zone they always import more than they export!

If you look at the figures I provided the same happens with trade in/out of the UK and same with the US. In fact the only trading bloc that is basically collapsing, and it will affect rest of the world in China.

Thing is I have just given an explanation but I could have done what Nigel Farage did last week and just it was "lies", without giving an account as to why!

It is not just the UK that has zero-hour contracts but the whole world has them! For a minority they are the best form of contract for their needs, but for the majority they don't really work - but as I say its not just the UK/EU that has them but every major country!

Underpaid - again can you clarify that? As the minimum wage is the most basic minimum set by Westminster, any company paying less than that is actually breaking the law and ought to be reported. No one is actually underpaid!!!

A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their needs that are considered to be basic. This is not necessarily the same as subsistence, which refers to a biological minimum, though the two terms are commonly confused. In some nations such as the United Kingdom this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with NO additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, and minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education and childcare although in many cases education, saving for retirement, and less commonly legal fees and insurance, or taking care of a sick or elderly family member are not included. It also does not allow for debt repayment of any kind.

But people on a "Minimum" wage can apply for tax credit and other benefits and as such actually better off than being on a "Living" wage!
No its not! Like any other "Rich" trading zone they always import more than they export! If you look at the figures I provided the same happens with trade in/out of the UK and same with the US. In fact the only trading bloc that is basically collapsing, and it will affect rest of the world in China. Thing is I have just given an explanation but I could have done what Nigel Farage did last week and just it was "lies", without giving an account as to why! It is not just the UK that has zero-hour contracts but the whole world has them! For a minority they are the best form of contract for their needs, but for the majority they don't really work - but as I say its not just the UK/EU that has them but every major country! Underpaid - again can you clarify that? As the minimum wage is the most basic minimum set by Westminster, any company paying less than that is actually breaking the law and ought to be reported. No one is actually underpaid!!! A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their needs that are considered to be basic. This is not necessarily the same as subsistence, which refers to a biological minimum, though the two terms are commonly confused. In some nations such as the United Kingdom this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with NO additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, and minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education and childcare although in many cases education, saving for retirement, and less commonly legal fees and insurance, or taking care of a sick or elderly family member are not included. It also does not allow for debt repayment of any kind. But people on a "Minimum" wage can apply for tax credit and other benefits and as such actually better off than being on a "Living" wage! The Righteous One
  • Score: -17

5:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

A" living wage" in the literal sense is dependant on whether you can support your family or yourself dependant on your regular or irregular costs.
A living wage could be any figure but dependant on individual circumstance.
What is left over from taxation should be the key point and this country unfortunately overtaxes the individual and family and this is what creates hardship.
A" living wage" in the literal sense is dependant on whether you can support your family or yourself dependant on your regular or irregular costs. A living wage could be any figure but dependant on individual circumstance. What is left over from taxation should be the key point and this country unfortunately overtaxes the individual and family and this is what creates hardship. holloway_david
  • Score: 7

8:01pm Mon 7 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
No its not!

Like any other "Rich" trading zone they always import more than they export!

If you look at the figures I provided the same happens with trade in/out of the UK and same with the US. In fact the only trading bloc that is basically collapsing, and it will affect rest of the world in China.

Thing is I have just given an explanation but I could have done what Nigel Farage did last week and just it was "lies", without giving an account as to why!

It is not just the UK that has zero-hour contracts but the whole world has them! For a minority they are the best form of contract for their needs, but for the majority they don't really work - but as I say its not just the UK/EU that has them but every major country!

Underpaid - again can you clarify that? As the minimum wage is the most basic minimum set by Westminster, any company paying less than that is actually breaking the law and ought to be reported. No one is actually underpaid!!!

A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their needs that are considered to be basic. This is not necessarily the same as subsistence, which refers to a biological minimum, though the two terms are commonly confused. In some nations such as the United Kingdom this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with NO additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, and minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education and childcare although in many cases education, saving for retirement, and less commonly legal fees and insurance, or taking care of a sick or elderly family member are not included. It also does not allow for debt repayment of any kind.

But people on a "Minimum" wage can apply for tax credit and other benefits and as such actually better off than being on a "Living" wage!
Look at the stats & not the lies we are being told... get... a report by William Dartmouth MEP for the south counties and Gibraltar,EDF called.... Out of the EU into the world you will find all me stats in there and the references they came from. Also this very detailed report is being sent to every UKIP Member and has been for the last two weeks yet no one from the EU or anyone in this Country has complained about it it. Here is another statistic you may not like but you can check now....
Labour face page talking about is 28 k
Torys 10k
libs 3k
Ukip 47 k........ Wake up & smell the coffie the game has changed.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: No its not! Like any other "Rich" trading zone they always import more than they export! If you look at the figures I provided the same happens with trade in/out of the UK and same with the US. In fact the only trading bloc that is basically collapsing, and it will affect rest of the world in China. Thing is I have just given an explanation but I could have done what Nigel Farage did last week and just it was "lies", without giving an account as to why! It is not just the UK that has zero-hour contracts but the whole world has them! For a minority they are the best form of contract for their needs, but for the majority they don't really work - but as I say its not just the UK/EU that has them but every major country! Underpaid - again can you clarify that? As the minimum wage is the most basic minimum set by Westminster, any company paying less than that is actually breaking the law and ought to be reported. No one is actually underpaid!!! A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their needs that are considered to be basic. This is not necessarily the same as subsistence, which refers to a biological minimum, though the two terms are commonly confused. In some nations such as the United Kingdom this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with NO additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, and minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education and childcare although in many cases education, saving for retirement, and less commonly legal fees and insurance, or taking care of a sick or elderly family member are not included. It also does not allow for debt repayment of any kind. But people on a "Minimum" wage can apply for tax credit and other benefits and as such actually better off than being on a "Living" wage![/p][/quote]Look at the stats & not the lies we are being told... get... a report by William Dartmouth MEP for the south counties and Gibraltar,EDF called.... Out of the EU into the world you will find all me stats in there and the references they came from. Also this very detailed report is being sent to every UKIP Member and has been for the last two weeks yet no one from the EU or anyone in this Country has complained about it it. Here is another statistic you may not like but you can check now.... Labour face page talking about is 28 k Torys 10k libs 3k Ukip 47 k........ Wake up & smell the coffie the game has changed. thomas222
  • Score: 1

8:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

boltonnut says...

Greedy corporations are mainly to blame,paying low wages and reaping huge profits.Another reason is ,imigrants are willing to work for less than minimum wages because because "back in the old country" 7 quid represents a lot of money compared to what they earned there.Thank god I'm retired with decent pensions and don't have to put up with "working for a living." 50 years of working is enough.
Greedy corporations are mainly to blame,paying low wages and reaping huge profits.Another reason is ,imigrants are willing to work for less than minimum wages because because "back in the old country" 7 quid represents a lot of money compared to what they earned there.Thank god I'm retired with decent pensions and don't have to put up with "working for a living." 50 years of working is enough. boltonnut
  • Score: 6

9:04pm Mon 7 Apr 14

steverock6@sky.com says...

To many greedy bosses in this country can't afford to pay decent wages yet live in big houses and drive flash cars letting tax credit pay the difference the minimum wage is to low and should be the same for all age groups and foreign worker should get the same the government might not be able to stop people coming in but why can they not pay employers a bonus for employing British workers!
To many greedy bosses in this country can't afford to pay decent wages yet live in big houses and drive flash cars letting tax credit pay the difference the minimum wage is to low and should be the same for all age groups and foreign worker should get the same the government might not be able to stop people coming in but why can they not pay employers a bonus for employing British workers! steverock6@sky.com
  • Score: 4

9:20pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Frotage says...

If the headline stats are to believed then 4 out of 5 people earn more than the 'living wage' ? that's not a bad average is it?
If the headline stats are to believed then 4 out of 5 people earn more than the 'living wage' ? that's not a bad average is it? Frotage
  • Score: 2

10:21pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

boltonnut wrote:
Greedy corporations are mainly to blame,paying low wages and reaping huge profits.Another reason is ,imigrants are willing to work for less than minimum wages because because "back in the old country" 7 quid represents a lot of money compared to what they earned there.Thank god I'm retired with decent pensions and don't have to put up with "working for a living." 50 years of working is enough.
But working les than the minimum wage is ILLEGAL!

If found out then businesses are heavily find, and if you know a company that does it then why aren't you reporting it?

Lets be honest here now, if we didn't have the minimum wage and we didn't have the so-called influx of immigrants would the wages be any higher? Of course they wouldn't - in fact they would be even lower than what they currently are because businesses know that in this country the Governments are pro-business rather than pro-worker!!! Just think back before we were forced to introduce the minimum wage and look how low the basic wages were then- now pro-rata it and see the difference! the UK has always been and always will be about business about shareholders and about poo-ing on the workers and make them work for as long as possible for as little as possible!!! It have never been about the immigrants but about corporate greed!!!

Also lets see the facts here - everyone talks about the immigrants from the EU, which equates to a grand total of just under 2 million, nowhere near enough to influence the working wage considering there are over 43 million in work, whilst there are far more immigrants from Asia (India, Ceylon-Sri Lanka, Pakistan make up over 11 million) whose pay, back home, is even much less than those in Eastern Europe, but it is our European neighbours who are getting the blame!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: Greedy corporations are mainly to blame,paying low wages and reaping huge profits.Another reason is ,imigrants are willing to work for less than minimum wages because because "back in the old country" 7 quid represents a lot of money compared to what they earned there.Thank god I'm retired with decent pensions and don't have to put up with "working for a living." 50 years of working is enough.[/p][/quote]But working les than the minimum wage is ILLEGAL! If found out then businesses are heavily find, and if you know a company that does it then why aren't you reporting it? Lets be honest here now, if we didn't have the minimum wage and we didn't have the so-called influx of immigrants would the wages be any higher? Of course they wouldn't - in fact they would be even lower than what they currently are because businesses know that in this country the Governments are pro-business rather than pro-worker!!! Just think back before we were forced to introduce the minimum wage and look how low the basic wages were then- now pro-rata it and see the difference! the UK has always been and always will be about business about shareholders and about poo-ing on the workers and make them work for as long as possible for as little as possible!!! It have never been about the immigrants but about corporate greed!!! Also lets see the facts here - everyone talks about the immigrants from the EU, which equates to a grand total of just under 2 million, nowhere near enough to influence the working wage considering there are over 43 million in work, whilst there are far more immigrants from Asia (India, Ceylon-Sri Lanka, Pakistan make up over 11 million) whose pay, back home, is even much less than those in Eastern Europe, but it is our European neighbours who are getting the blame!!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

10:28pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
No its not!

Like any other "Rich" trading zone they always import more than they export!

If you look at the figures I provided the same happens with trade in/out of the UK and same with the US. In fact the only trading bloc that is basically collapsing, and it will affect rest of the world in China.

Thing is I have just given an explanation but I could have done what Nigel Farage did last week and just it was "lies", without giving an account as to why!

It is not just the UK that has zero-hour contracts but the whole world has them! For a minority they are the best form of contract for their needs, but for the majority they don't really work - but as I say its not just the UK/EU that has them but every major country!

Underpaid - again can you clarify that? As the minimum wage is the most basic minimum set by Westminster, any company paying less than that is actually breaking the law and ought to be reported. No one is actually underpaid!!!

A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their needs that are considered to be basic. This is not necessarily the same as subsistence, which refers to a biological minimum, though the two terms are commonly confused. In some nations such as the United Kingdom this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with NO additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, and minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education and childcare although in many cases education, saving for retirement, and less commonly legal fees and insurance, or taking care of a sick or elderly family member are not included. It also does not allow for debt repayment of any kind.

But people on a "Minimum" wage can apply for tax credit and other benefits and as such actually better off than being on a "Living" wage!
Look at the stats & not the lies we are being told... get... a report by William Dartmouth MEP for the south counties and Gibraltar,EDF called.... Out of the EU into the world you will find all me stats in there and the references they came from. Also this very detailed report is being sent to every UKIP Member and has been for the last two weeks yet no one from the EU or anyone in this Country has complained about it it. Here is another statistic you may not like but you can check now....
Labour face page talking about is 28 k
Torys 10k
libs 3k
Ukip 47 k........ Wake up & smell the coffie the game has changed.
Thomas can you please explain the last bit in English please as t is actually unreadable!

"Labour face page talking" - what the hell does that mean?

Also you did not include the links - and I cannot find the report that you are talking about. I have spent most of the evening trying to find the report with no luck - tried google, yahoo and even Jeeves!!! therefore, could you please provide the link!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: No its not! Like any other "Rich" trading zone they always import more than they export! If you look at the figures I provided the same happens with trade in/out of the UK and same with the US. In fact the only trading bloc that is basically collapsing, and it will affect rest of the world in China. Thing is I have just given an explanation but I could have done what Nigel Farage did last week and just it was "lies", without giving an account as to why! It is not just the UK that has zero-hour contracts but the whole world has them! For a minority they are the best form of contract for their needs, but for the majority they don't really work - but as I say its not just the UK/EU that has them but every major country! Underpaid - again can you clarify that? As the minimum wage is the most basic minimum set by Westminster, any company paying less than that is actually breaking the law and ought to be reported. No one is actually underpaid!!! A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their needs that are considered to be basic. This is not necessarily the same as subsistence, which refers to a biological minimum, though the two terms are commonly confused. In some nations such as the United Kingdom this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with NO additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, and minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education and childcare although in many cases education, saving for retirement, and less commonly legal fees and insurance, or taking care of a sick or elderly family member are not included. It also does not allow for debt repayment of any kind. But people on a "Minimum" wage can apply for tax credit and other benefits and as such actually better off than being on a "Living" wage![/p][/quote]Look at the stats & not the lies we are being told... get... a report by William Dartmouth MEP for the south counties and Gibraltar,EDF called.... Out of the EU into the world you will find all me stats in there and the references they came from. Also this very detailed report is being sent to every UKIP Member and has been for the last two weeks yet no one from the EU or anyone in this Country has complained about it it. Here is another statistic you may not like but you can check now.... Labour face page talking about is 28 k Torys 10k libs 3k Ukip 47 k........ Wake up & smell the coffie the game has changed.[/p][/quote]Thomas can you please explain the last bit in English please as t is actually unreadable! "Labour face page talking" - what the hell does that mean? Also you did not include the links - and I cannot find the report that you are talking about. I have spent most of the evening trying to find the report with no luck - tried google, yahoo and even Jeeves!!! therefore, could you please provide the link! The Righteous One
  • Score: -18

10:35pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Also, why would anyone believe a report that has been written by someone who is actually a member of the UKIP party, like William Dartmouth, MEP is. The judgement will already be based towards the anti-EU campaign of the Party and as such would never show an impartial picture of the whole situation!

It would be like me saying well you should read the reports gained from William Hague or Vince Cable or Whats-his-name from Labour as they give very detailed accounts of the whole EU debacle!!! Would you read them - no you wouldn't because you would assume they are politically based to their own party!!!

The statistics/reports shown by the WTO (World Trade Organisation) is far more impartial as they are not politically aligned and as such are not geared up to influence political parties and as it is a World Organisation is not biased to say that UK would or would not be better inside the EU but would give a middling report!
Also, why would anyone believe a report that has been written by someone who is actually a member of the UKIP party, like William Dartmouth, MEP is. The judgement will already be based towards the anti-EU campaign of the Party and as such would never show an impartial picture of the whole situation! It would be like me saying well you should read the reports gained from William Hague or Vince Cable or Whats-his-name from Labour as they give very detailed accounts of the whole EU debacle!!! Would you read them - no you wouldn't because you would assume they are politically based to their own party!!! The statistics/reports shown by the WTO (World Trade Organisation) is far more impartial as they are not politically aligned and as such are not geared up to influence political parties and as it is a World Organisation is not biased to say that UK would or would not be better inside the EU but would give a middling report! The Righteous One
  • Score: -6

10:38pm Mon 7 Apr 14

united99 says...

Jim come and work for me in my Indian takeaway or my car wash or my car hire business and I will pay you £2.71 @ hour....
It's a dogs life jim - get off your backside and stop wringing !
Jim come and work for me in my Indian takeaway or my car wash or my car hire business and I will pay you £2.71 @ hour.... It's a dogs life jim - get off your backside and stop wringing ! united99
  • Score: -1

10:44pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

William Dartmouth - real name: William Legge, 10th Earl of Dartmouth - a real working class name to begin with!!!

Married to an Australian woman (from Melbourne) called Fiona Campbell whose first husband is the nephew of Rupert Murdoch - must be following in the traits of Nigel Farage who married a non-British woman and wanting close connections to dodgy big businesses and dodgy businessmen!!!

He became a stepbrother of Diana, Princess of Wales when his mother married secondly Earl Spencer - very much a person of the working class!!!!
William Dartmouth - real name: William Legge, 10th Earl of Dartmouth - a real working class name to begin with!!! Married to an Australian woman (from Melbourne) called Fiona Campbell whose first husband is the nephew of Rupert Murdoch - must be following in the traits of Nigel Farage who married a non-British woman and wanting close connections to dodgy big businesses and dodgy businessmen!!! He became a stepbrother of Diana, Princess of Wales when his mother married secondly Earl Spencer - very much a person of the working class!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -17

10:52pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Minimum wage in the UK is as follows:

Apprentice: £2.68/hour
Under 18: £3.72
18-20: £5.03
21 and over: £6.31

Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)
Minimum wage in the UK is as follows: Apprentice: £2.68/hour Under 18: £3.72 18-20: £5.03 21 and over: £6.31 Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?) The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

8:02am Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
William Dartmouth - real name: William Legge, 10th Earl of Dartmouth - a real working class name to begin with!!!

Married to an Australian woman (from Melbourne) called Fiona Campbell whose first husband is the nephew of Rupert Murdoch - must be following in the traits of Nigel Farage who married a non-British woman and wanting close connections to dodgy big businesses and dodgy businessmen!!!

He became a stepbrother of Diana, Princess of Wales when his mother married secondly Earl Spencer - very much a person of the working class!!!!
And your point is ?. What has this got to do with the source you asked for to prove the stats.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: William Dartmouth - real name: William Legge, 10th Earl of Dartmouth - a real working class name to begin with!!! Married to an Australian woman (from Melbourne) called Fiona Campbell whose first husband is the nephew of Rupert Murdoch - must be following in the traits of Nigel Farage who married a non-British woman and wanting close connections to dodgy big businesses and dodgy businessmen!!! He became a stepbrother of Diana, Princess of Wales when his mother married secondly Earl Spencer - very much a person of the working class!!!![/p][/quote]And your point is ?. What has this got to do with the source you asked for to prove the stats. thomas222
  • Score: 3

8:13am Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Also, why would anyone believe a report that has been written by someone who is actually a member of the UKIP party, like William Dartmouth, MEP is. The judgement will already be based towards the anti-EU campaign of the Party and as such would never show an impartial picture of the whole situation!

It would be like me saying well you should read the reports gained from William Hague or Vince Cable or Whats-his-name from Labour as they give very detailed accounts of the whole EU debacle!!! Would you read them - no you wouldn't because you would assume they are politically based to their own party!!!

The statistics/reports shown by the WTO (World Trade Organisation) is far more impartial as they are not politically aligned and as such are not geared up to influence political parties and as it is a World Organisation is not biased to say that UK would or would not be better inside the EU but would give a middling report!
If the report & it has plenty in it (90) pages) was wrong the torys & libdems + media would have been all over it like a rash. Another truth you may not like to hear is this one..... they say 3 million will lose their jobs if we pull out of the EU. Not true that stat was based on the EU cutting all trade with us 100%. It will never happen because the wto you mention wont allow it because our membership with the wto protects us from vexatious actions by trading partners. We export more to the EU THAN THEM TO US FACT.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also, why would anyone believe a report that has been written by someone who is actually a member of the UKIP party, like William Dartmouth, MEP is. The judgement will already be based towards the anti-EU campaign of the Party and as such would never show an impartial picture of the whole situation! It would be like me saying well you should read the reports gained from William Hague or Vince Cable or Whats-his-name from Labour as they give very detailed accounts of the whole EU debacle!!! Would you read them - no you wouldn't because you would assume they are politically based to their own party!!! The statistics/reports shown by the WTO (World Trade Organisation) is far more impartial as they are not politically aligned and as such are not geared up to influence political parties and as it is a World Organisation is not biased to say that UK would or would not be better inside the EU but would give a middling report![/p][/quote]If the report & it has plenty in it (90) pages) was wrong the torys & libdems + media would have been all over it like a rash. Another truth you may not like to hear is this one..... they say 3 million will lose their jobs if we pull out of the EU. Not true that stat was based on the EU cutting all trade with us 100%. It will never happen because the wto you mention wont allow it because our membership with the wto protects us from vexatious actions by trading partners. We export more to the EU THAN THEM TO US FACT. thomas222
  • Score: 2

9:27am Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Minimum wage in the UK is as follows:

Apprentice: £2.68/hour
Under 18: £3.72
18-20: £5.03
21 and over: £6.31

Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)
So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Minimum wage in the UK is as follows: Apprentice: £2.68/hour Under 18: £3.72 18-20: £5.03 21 and over: £6.31 Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)[/p][/quote]So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers. thomas222
  • Score: 0

10:50am Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
No its not!

Like any other "Rich" trading zone they always import more than they export!

If you look at the figures I provided the same happens with trade in/out of the UK and same with the US. In fact the only trading bloc that is basically collapsing, and it will affect rest of the world in China.

Thing is I have just given an explanation but I could have done what Nigel Farage did last week and just it was "lies", without giving an account as to why!

It is not just the UK that has zero-hour contracts but the whole world has them! For a minority they are the best form of contract for their needs, but for the majority they don't really work - but as I say its not just the UK/EU that has them but every major country!

Underpaid - again can you clarify that? As the minimum wage is the most basic minimum set by Westminster, any company paying less than that is actually breaking the law and ought to be reported. No one is actually underpaid!!!

A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their needs that are considered to be basic. This is not necessarily the same as subsistence, which refers to a biological minimum, though the two terms are commonly confused. In some nations such as the United Kingdom this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with NO additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, and minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education and childcare although in many cases education, saving for retirement, and less commonly legal fees and insurance, or taking care of a sick or elderly family member are not included. It also does not allow for debt repayment of any kind.

But people on a "Minimum" wage can apply for tax credit and other benefits and as such actually better off than being on a "Living" wage!
Look at the stats & not the lies we are being told... get... a report by William Dartmouth MEP for the south counties and Gibraltar,EDF called.... Out of the EU into the world you will find all me stats in there and the references they came from. Also this very detailed report is being sent to every UKIP Member and has been for the last two weeks yet no one from the EU or anyone in this Country has complained about it it. Here is another statistic you may not like but you can check now....
Labour face page talking about is 28 k
Torys 10k
libs 3k
Ukip 47 k........ Wake up & smell the coffie the game has changed.
Thomas can you please explain the last bit in English please as t is actually unreadable!

"Labour face page talking" - what the hell does that mean?

Also you did not include the links - and I cannot find the report that you are talking about. I have spent most of the evening trying to find the report with no luck - tried google, yahoo and even Jeeves!!! therefore, could you please provide the link!
Here is a contact address perhaps you could ask directly & may even get a copy or the link needed to look at. The book does say to use this addy if you have any comments. (The edf group c/o) william.dartmouth@eu
roparl.europa.eu
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: No its not! Like any other "Rich" trading zone they always import more than they export! If you look at the figures I provided the same happens with trade in/out of the UK and same with the US. In fact the only trading bloc that is basically collapsing, and it will affect rest of the world in China. Thing is I have just given an explanation but I could have done what Nigel Farage did last week and just it was "lies", without giving an account as to why! It is not just the UK that has zero-hour contracts but the whole world has them! For a minority they are the best form of contract for their needs, but for the majority they don't really work - but as I say its not just the UK/EU that has them but every major country! Underpaid - again can you clarify that? As the minimum wage is the most basic minimum set by Westminster, any company paying less than that is actually breaking the law and ought to be reported. No one is actually underpaid!!! A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their needs that are considered to be basic. This is not necessarily the same as subsistence, which refers to a biological minimum, though the two terms are commonly confused. In some nations such as the United Kingdom this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with NO additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, and minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education and childcare although in many cases education, saving for retirement, and less commonly legal fees and insurance, or taking care of a sick or elderly family member are not included. It also does not allow for debt repayment of any kind. But people on a "Minimum" wage can apply for tax credit and other benefits and as such actually better off than being on a "Living" wage![/p][/quote]Look at the stats & not the lies we are being told... get... a report by William Dartmouth MEP for the south counties and Gibraltar,EDF called.... Out of the EU into the world you will find all me stats in there and the references they came from. Also this very detailed report is being sent to every UKIP Member and has been for the last two weeks yet no one from the EU or anyone in this Country has complained about it it. Here is another statistic you may not like but you can check now.... Labour face page talking about is 28 k Torys 10k libs 3k Ukip 47 k........ Wake up & smell the coffie the game has changed.[/p][/quote]Thomas can you please explain the last bit in English please as t is actually unreadable! "Labour face page talking" - what the hell does that mean? Also you did not include the links - and I cannot find the report that you are talking about. I have spent most of the evening trying to find the report with no luck - tried google, yahoo and even Jeeves!!! therefore, could you please provide the link![/p][/quote]Here is a contact address perhaps you could ask directly & may even get a copy or the link needed to look at. The book does say to use this addy if you have any comments. (The edf group c/o) william.dartmouth@eu roparl.europa.eu thomas222
  • Score: 0

10:58am Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Here is the website where you will get a copy of the book ..... out of the eu into the world. There is a contact link there. www.efdgroup.eu
Here is the website where you will get a copy of the book ..... out of the eu into the world. There is a contact link there. www.efdgroup.eu thomas222
  • Score: 0

11:29am Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Minimum wage in the UK is as follows:

Apprentice: £2.68/hour
Under 18: £3.72
18-20: £5.03
21 and over: £6.31

Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)
So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.
Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc

But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;-

1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU!
2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!!
3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave!
4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases!
5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!!
6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days!
7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee!
8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment!
9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted.
10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal!
11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business.
12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are:
· Burden of additional costs
· Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand
· Inability to reorganise work among existing staff
· Inability to recruit additional staff
· Detrimental impact on quality
· Detrimental impact on performance
· Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work
· Planned structural changes
13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion
14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it!
15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children
16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean
•At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort
•Free from humidity, well ventilated,
•Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors.
•Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken.
•Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected.
•If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection.
•Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes.
17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money!
18. Protection of whilstleblowers

But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/

social/main.jsp?catI

d=706&langId=en
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Minimum wage in the UK is as follows: Apprentice: £2.68/hour Under 18: £3.72 18-20: £5.03 21 and over: £6.31 Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)[/p][/quote]So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;- 1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU! 2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!! 3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave! 4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases! 5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!! 6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days! 7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee! 8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment! 9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted. 10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal! 11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business. 12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are: · Burden of additional costs · Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand · Inability to reorganise work among existing staff · Inability to recruit additional staff · Detrimental impact on quality · Detrimental impact on performance · Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work · Planned structural changes 13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion 14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it! 15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children 16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean •At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort •Free from humidity, well ventilated, •Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors. •Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken. •Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected. •If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection. •Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes. 17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money! 18. Protection of whilstleblowers But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/ social/main.jsp?catI d=706&langId=en The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

11:39am Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Minimum wage in the UK is as follows:

Apprentice: £2.68/hour
Under 18: £3.72
18-20: £5.03
21 and over: £6.31

Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)
So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.
Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc

But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;-

1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU!
2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!!
3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave!
4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases!
5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!!
6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days!
7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee!
8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment!
9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted.
10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal!
11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business.
12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are:
· Burden of additional costs
· Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand
· Inability to reorganise work among existing staff
· Inability to recruit additional staff
· Detrimental impact on quality
· Detrimental impact on performance
· Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work
· Planned structural changes
13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion
14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it!
15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children
16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean
•At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort
•Free from humidity, well ventilated,
•Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors.
•Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken.
•Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected.
•If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection.
•Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes.
17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money!
18. Protection of whilstleblowers

But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/


social/main.jsp?catI


d=706&langId=en
We had most of those in place without the EU. We were leaders in workers rights. Your arguments for the EU are falling to bits just like Cleggs did.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Minimum wage in the UK is as follows: Apprentice: £2.68/hour Under 18: £3.72 18-20: £5.03 21 and over: £6.31 Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)[/p][/quote]So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;- 1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU! 2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!! 3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave! 4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases! 5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!! 6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days! 7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee! 8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment! 9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted. 10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal! 11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business. 12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are: · Burden of additional costs · Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand · Inability to reorganise work among existing staff · Inability to recruit additional staff · Detrimental impact on quality · Detrimental impact on performance · Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work · Planned structural changes 13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion 14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it! 15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children 16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean •At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort •Free from humidity, well ventilated, •Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors. •Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken. •Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected. •If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection. •Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes. 17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money! 18. Protection of whilstleblowers But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/ social/main.jsp?catI d=706&langId=en[/p][/quote]We had most of those in place without the EU. We were leaders in workers rights. Your arguments for the EU are falling to bits just like Cleggs did. thomas222
  • Score: -2

11:43am Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Minimum wage in the UK is as follows:

Apprentice: £2.68/hour
Under 18: £3.72
18-20: £5.03
21 and over: £6.31

Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)
So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.
Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc

But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;-

1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU!
2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!!
3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave!
4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases!
5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!!
6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days!
7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee!
8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment!
9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted.
10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal!
11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business.
12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are:
· Burden of additional costs
· Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand
· Inability to reorganise work among existing staff
· Inability to recruit additional staff
· Detrimental impact on quality
· Detrimental impact on performance
· Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work
· Planned structural changes
13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion
14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it!
15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children
16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean
•At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort
•Free from humidity, well ventilated,
•Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors.
•Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken.
•Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected.
•If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection.
•Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes.
17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money!
18. Protection of whilstleblowers

But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/


social/main.jsp?catI


d=706&langId=en
Pity so many of them in the eu area dont have a job....... Its a failed experiment gone badly wrong.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Minimum wage in the UK is as follows: Apprentice: £2.68/hour Under 18: £3.72 18-20: £5.03 21 and over: £6.31 Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)[/p][/quote]So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;- 1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU! 2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!! 3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave! 4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases! 5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!! 6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days! 7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee! 8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment! 9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted. 10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal! 11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business. 12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are: · Burden of additional costs · Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand · Inability to reorganise work among existing staff · Inability to recruit additional staff · Detrimental impact on quality · Detrimental impact on performance · Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work · Planned structural changes 13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion 14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it! 15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children 16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean •At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort •Free from humidity, well ventilated, •Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors. •Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken. •Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected. •If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection. •Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes. 17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money! 18. Protection of whilstleblowers But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/ social/main.jsp?catI d=706&langId=en[/p][/quote]Pity so many of them in the eu area dont have a job....... Its a failed experiment gone badly wrong. thomas222
  • Score: 0

12:13pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU.

This government could opt out at any time.
The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU. This government could opt out at any time. Jim271
  • Score: -1

1:20pm Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Jim271 wrote:
The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU.

This government could opt out at any time.
He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU. This government could opt out at any time.[/p][/quote]He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co.. thomas222
  • Score: -2

1:39pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

The National Minimum Wage Act 1998 was indeed introduced by the Government t the time, jut like EVERY piece of legislation that comes from Brussels, but it was the legislation that came from Brussels.

You have to remember that any "law" that Brussels introduces has to be sanctioned in the national Parliaments - Brussels, itself, cannot make it law in the 30 Countries (27 EU and 3 EFTA).

As it is, in this case the EU made legislation for a minimum wage in 1995 and gave the EU countries until 2020 to rectify the legislation and introduce it. In the case of the UK it was the Labour Government that introduced it in 1998, and Germany is the latest country to rectify the legislation in the Parliament and introduce it, last year! But unlike some legilsation that Brussels introduces for the various Parliaments to rectify and introduce there is no set parameters as the EU decided to leave that for the various countries to set for themselves, for now. (www.europa.eu)

And just because I am not online doesn't mean anything, because unlike you who seems to be sat in front of your screen all the time, I do have work to do and do it, and get back online whenever I can!!!
The National Minimum Wage Act 1998 was indeed introduced by the Government t the time, jut like EVERY piece of legislation that comes from Brussels, but it was the legislation that came from Brussels. You have to remember that any "law" that Brussels introduces has to be sanctioned in the national Parliaments - Brussels, itself, cannot make it law in the 30 Countries (27 EU and 3 EFTA). As it is, in this case the EU made legislation for a minimum wage in 1995 and gave the EU countries until 2020 to rectify the legislation and introduce it. In the case of the UK it was the Labour Government that introduced it in 1998, and Germany is the latest country to rectify the legislation in the Parliament and introduce it, last year! But unlike some legilsation that Brussels introduces for the various Parliaments to rectify and introduce there is no set parameters as the EU decided to leave that for the various countries to set for themselves, for now. (www.europa.eu) And just because I am not online doesn't mean anything, because unlike you who seems to be sat in front of your screen all the time, I do have work to do and do it, and get back online whenever I can!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -27

2:08pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Minimum wage in the UK is as follows:

Apprentice: £2.68/hour
Under 18: £3.72
18-20: £5.03
21 and over: £6.31

Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)
So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.
Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc

But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;-

1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU!
2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!!
3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave!
4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases!
5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!!
6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days!
7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee!
8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment!
9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted.
10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal!
11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business.
12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are:
· Burden of additional costs
· Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand
· Inability to reorganise work among existing staff
· Inability to recruit additional staff
· Detrimental impact on quality
· Detrimental impact on performance
· Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work
· Planned structural changes
13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion
14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it!
15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children
16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean
•At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort
•Free from humidity, well ventilated,
•Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors.
•Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken.
•Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected.
•If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection.
•Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes.
17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money!
18. Protection of whilstleblowers

But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/



social/main.jsp?catI



d=706&langId=en
Pity so many of them in the eu area dont have a job....... Its a failed experiment gone badly wrong.
Funny that, isn't it considering we are in the EU and there are more people in work than ever in recorded history!!! Same goes for Germany(5.1%), Poland (9.7%), Denmark (7.0%), Sweden (8.1%), France (10.4%), Belgium (8.5%), The Netherlands (7.3%), Austria (4.8%), Luxembourg (6.1%).

Whilst the rate of unemployment in the following countries is actually lower than in the UK (7.1%) - Ireland (11.9%), Cyprus (16.7), Hungary (8.3%), Czech Republic (6.7%), Malta (6.9%), Slovakia (13.9%), Lithuania (11.5%), Latvia (11.6%), Estonia.

The following countries have an unemployment figure which is falling:
Slovenia (9.8%), Portugal (15.3%), Greece (27.5%), Romania (7.2%), Italy (13.0%)

The only countries with rising unemployment are: Spain (25.6%), Bulgaria (13.1%), and Finland (8.4%)

Figures in brackets is the national % of unemployed.

The mean average % of unemployed in the whole of the EU is 10.99% compared to the mean average % figure from 2010 was 16.23%

So it does seem that unemployment if actually falling across the majority of the EU compared to the deepest part of the recession in 2010 - contrary what you said in your post!!!

All data taken from Associated Press!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Minimum wage in the UK is as follows: Apprentice: £2.68/hour Under 18: £3.72 18-20: £5.03 21 and over: £6.31 Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)[/p][/quote]So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;- 1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU! 2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!! 3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave! 4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases! 5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!! 6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days! 7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee! 8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment! 9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted. 10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal! 11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business. 12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are: · Burden of additional costs · Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand · Inability to reorganise work among existing staff · Inability to recruit additional staff · Detrimental impact on quality · Detrimental impact on performance · Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work · Planned structural changes 13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion 14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it! 15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children 16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean •At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort •Free from humidity, well ventilated, •Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors. •Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken. •Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected. •If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection. •Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes. 17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money! 18. Protection of whilstleblowers But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/ social/main.jsp?catI d=706&langId=en[/p][/quote]Pity so many of them in the eu area dont have a job....... Its a failed experiment gone badly wrong.[/p][/quote]Funny that, isn't it considering we are in the EU and there are more people in work than ever in recorded history!!! Same goes for Germany(5.1%), Poland (9.7%), Denmark (7.0%), Sweden (8.1%), France (10.4%), Belgium (8.5%), The Netherlands (7.3%), Austria (4.8%), Luxembourg (6.1%). Whilst the rate of unemployment in the following countries is actually lower than in the UK (7.1%) - Ireland (11.9%), Cyprus (16.7), Hungary (8.3%), Czech Republic (6.7%), Malta (6.9%), Slovakia (13.9%), Lithuania (11.5%), Latvia (11.6%), Estonia. The following countries have an unemployment figure which is falling: Slovenia (9.8%), Portugal (15.3%), Greece (27.5%), Romania (7.2%), Italy (13.0%) The only countries with rising unemployment are: Spain (25.6%), Bulgaria (13.1%), and Finland (8.4%) Figures in brackets is the national % of unemployed. The mean average % of unemployed in the whole of the EU is 10.99% compared to the mean average % figure from 2010 was 16.23% So it does seem that unemployment if actually falling across the majority of the EU compared to the deepest part of the recession in 2010 - contrary what you said in your post!!! All data taken from Associated Press!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -13

2:12pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU.

This government could opt out at any time.
He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..
Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!!

Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU. This government could opt out at any time.[/p][/quote]He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..[/p][/quote]Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!! Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload! The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

2:19pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Also, forgot to add, that Farage had to be corrected 10 times about incorrect facts - not by Clegg but by Mr David Dimbleby, who is actually anti-EU - if you ever read his biography!!!!!!
Also, forgot to add, that Farage had to be corrected 10 times about incorrect facts - not by Clegg but by Mr David Dimbleby, who is actually anti-EU - if you ever read his biography!!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -54

2:22pm Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Also, forgot to add, that Farage had to be corrected 10 times about incorrect facts - not by Clegg but by Mr David Dimbleby, who is actually anti-EU - if you ever read his biography!!!!!!
Could you post the link to prove this please.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also, forgot to add, that Farage had to be corrected 10 times about incorrect facts - not by Clegg but by Mr David Dimbleby, who is actually anti-EU - if you ever read his biography!!!!!![/p][/quote]Could you post the link to prove this please. thomas222
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU.

This government could opt out at any time.
He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..
Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!!

Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload!
What the pundits say has nothing to do with the poll. All the pundits said after the debate Clegg Won but when the people voted the people said opposite. The pundits on tv are out of touch with what people are thinking just like the others in the west mister bubble. As for Derby it has now come out that the stats clegg gave were misleading... Clegg said there were the same number of people working in derby council than there is in the EU. What he failed to add was the numbers in derby were for all people who worked for the council from dinner ladies to road sweepers... about 38000, just less than the EU but its 38000 pen pushers only. Thats another Clegg lie well and truly exposed....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU. This government could opt out at any time.[/p][/quote]He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..[/p][/quote]Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!! Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload![/p][/quote]What the pundits say has nothing to do with the poll. All the pundits said after the debate Clegg Won but when the people voted the people said opposite. The pundits on tv are out of touch with what people are thinking just like the others in the west mister bubble. As for Derby it has now come out that the stats clegg gave were misleading... Clegg said there were the same number of people working in derby council than there is in the EU. What he failed to add was the numbers in derby were for all people who worked for the council from dinner ladies to road sweepers... about 38000, just less than the EU but its 38000 pen pushers only. Thats another Clegg lie well and truly exposed.... thomas222
  • Score: 2

3:23pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

The problem with Clegg is he doesn't live in the real world, which is what he accuses Farage of not doing.

Clegg has sold his soul to the Tories of the AV referendum which was a waste of money. Clegg has never worked in his life going from University straight into politics just like Cameron.

I am not a fan of UKIP but they are at least consistant, I do believe that next election UKIP will proberbly form a colalition with the Tories, but only because the Lib Dems and Labour have let the people down, we are screwed.

I don't think Labour actually want to win the next election, who wants to be the captain of a sinking ship? its Kinnock all over again.
The problem with Clegg is he doesn't live in the real world, which is what he accuses Farage of not doing. Clegg has sold his soul to the Tories of the AV referendum which was a waste of money. Clegg has never worked in his life going from University straight into politics just like Cameron. I am not a fan of UKIP but they are at least consistant, I do believe that next election UKIP will proberbly form a colalition with the Tories, but only because the Lib Dems and Labour have let the people down, we are screwed. I don't think Labour actually want to win the next election, who wants to be the captain of a sinking ship? its Kinnock all over again. Jim271
  • Score: 2

3:43pm Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Jim271 wrote:
The problem with Clegg is he doesn't live in the real world, which is what he accuses Farage of not doing.

Clegg has sold his soul to the Tories of the AV referendum which was a waste of money. Clegg has never worked in his life going from University straight into politics just like Cameron.

I am not a fan of UKIP but they are at least consistant, I do believe that next election UKIP will proberbly form a colalition with the Tories, but only because the Lib Dems and Labour have let the people down, we are screwed.

I don't think Labour actually want to win the next election, who wants to be the captain of a sinking ship? its Kinnock all over again.
100% Farage has said no deal with the Torys in a large public meeting Jim. UKIPs plan & this is from the horses mouth of Paul Nuttal his number 2. This election is to obviousley to do well in the Election regarding the EU but also the foundations where possible to be laid by getting as many Cllrs as possible to pave the way for our Mps elections in 2015. W e undersatand we may only get a few in at that stage but come 2020 and the ones who won 2015 have done nothing about this mess we are then ukip will do very very well in 2020. UKIP two yrs ago had no candidates in bolton.. this time they are standing 20 out of 20.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: The problem with Clegg is he doesn't live in the real world, which is what he accuses Farage of not doing. Clegg has sold his soul to the Tories of the AV referendum which was a waste of money. Clegg has never worked in his life going from University straight into politics just like Cameron. I am not a fan of UKIP but they are at least consistant, I do believe that next election UKIP will proberbly form a colalition with the Tories, but only because the Lib Dems and Labour have let the people down, we are screwed. I don't think Labour actually want to win the next election, who wants to be the captain of a sinking ship? its Kinnock all over again.[/p][/quote]100% Farage has said no deal with the Torys in a large public meeting Jim. UKIPs plan & this is from the horses mouth of Paul Nuttal his number 2. This election is to obviousley to do well in the Election regarding the EU but also the foundations where possible to be laid by getting as many Cllrs as possible to pave the way for our Mps elections in 2015. W e undersatand we may only get a few in at that stage but come 2020 and the ones who won 2015 have done nothing about this mess we are then ukip will do very very well in 2020. UKIP two yrs ago had no candidates in bolton.. this time they are standing 20 out of 20. thomas222
  • Score: 3

5:33pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU.

This government could opt out at any time.
He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..
Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!!

Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload!
What the pundits say has nothing to do with the poll. All the pundits said after the debate Clegg Won but when the people voted the people said opposite. The pundits on tv are out of touch with what people are thinking just like the others in the west mister bubble. As for Derby it has now come out that the stats clegg gave were misleading... Clegg said there were the same number of people working in derby council than there is in the EU. What he failed to add was the numbers in derby were for all people who worked for the council from dinner ladies to road sweepers... about 38000, just less than the EU but its 38000 pen pushers only. Thats another Clegg lie well and truly exposed....
But the poll of the debate was taken after the shows, which is correct!!!


But the Derby example is a bad example to use for your own argument as people wouldn't have believed it when Clegg mentioned it and all Farage could say was that Clegg was a "liar" without backing up hiss claim and he only did so AFTER the poll had been published by which time the majority of people are not that particularly bothered by it - except for you in anting to keep using the example (and before you try to say it me, it was you who first used the example on Monday at 3:18pm and no mention of it before then!!!).

To be fair in terms of "pen-pushers" it is about 38,000 for each organisation! And the term pen-pusher means anything from a street cleaner to the city accountants. But that does not include the councillors or their staff - once you add those in, then sure enough Brussels is far bigger!!! But lets not forget that is only about the European Commission!!!

If you add in all the other European institutions (which are separate from each other) of which there are 7 in total (in order of importance within the EU Framework :- the European Parliament, the European Council, the Council of the European Union (simply called "Council"), the European Commission, the Court of Justice of the European Union, the European Central Bank and the Court of Auditors) then yes there will be a lot more working in the EU - but then lets not forget that the EU structure is exactly same as British Government (Local Government, National Assemblies e.g. Scottish Parliament, House of Commons, House of Lords, Monarch, High Court/Law Courts and Bank of England - plus all the Quangos in the middle)

Once you start getting down to the nitty-gritty of each "power-house" then you will see that he staffing levels - from top to bottom, is relatively the same considering the various department, quangos and institutions! And also once can see massive wastage in each of the "Power-houses"
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU. This government could opt out at any time.[/p][/quote]He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..[/p][/quote]Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!! Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload![/p][/quote]What the pundits say has nothing to do with the poll. All the pundits said after the debate Clegg Won but when the people voted the people said opposite. The pundits on tv are out of touch with what people are thinking just like the others in the west mister bubble. As for Derby it has now come out that the stats clegg gave were misleading... Clegg said there were the same number of people working in derby council than there is in the EU. What he failed to add was the numbers in derby were for all people who worked for the council from dinner ladies to road sweepers... about 38000, just less than the EU but its 38000 pen pushers only. Thats another Clegg lie well and truly exposed....[/p][/quote]But the poll of the debate was taken after the shows, which is correct!!! But the Derby example is a bad example to use for your own argument as people wouldn't have believed it when Clegg mentioned it and all Farage could say was that Clegg was a "liar" without backing up hiss claim and he only did so AFTER the poll had been published by which time the majority of people are not that particularly bothered by it - except for you in anting to keep using the example (and before you try to say it me, it was you who first used the example on Monday at 3:18pm and no mention of it before then!!!). To be fair in terms of "pen-pushers" it is about 38,000 for each organisation! And the term pen-pusher means anything from a street cleaner to the city accountants. But that does not include the councillors or their staff - once you add those in, then sure enough Brussels is far bigger!!! But lets not forget that is only about the European Commission!!! If you add in all the other European institutions (which are separate from each other) of which there are 7 in total (in order of importance within the EU Framework :- the European Parliament, the European Council, the Council of the European Union (simply called "Council"), the European Commission, the Court of Justice of the European Union, the European Central Bank and the Court of Auditors) then yes there will be a lot more working in the EU - but then lets not forget that the EU structure is exactly same as British Government (Local Government, National Assemblies e.g. Scottish Parliament, House of Commons, House of Lords, Monarch, High Court/Law Courts and Bank of England - plus all the Quangos in the middle) Once you start getting down to the nitty-gritty of each "power-house" then you will see that he staffing levels - from top to bottom, is relatively the same considering the various department, quangos and institutions! And also once can see massive wastage in each of the "Power-houses" The Righteous One
  • Score: -48

5:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Basically lets look at each party!

The Conservatives - are looking at self-destruction with each scandal that keeps cropping up week after week
Labour - would you want Milliband as your prime Minister?
Liberal Democrats - will never get in as a "sole" party, especially with Clegg in charge
UKIP - although it is a growing party still will not be strong enough to govern by themselves and will probably end up as part of a coalition, and if they act stubborn then we will probably end up like The Netherlands and have a general Election every 18 months due to non co-operation between the parties

But like the last election - Nick Clegg actually came out on top with the television debates, but look what happened at the polling booth - they came last and even had less of a share of the vote than the previous election, whilst Labour and The Conservatives were about equal election!!!
Then look at the meemberships between the parties. In the last 12 months there has been only one party that has lost member- The Conservatives (lost 900) whilst the party with thee most new members during the last 12 months is Labour (3,800 more), followed by UKIP (2,100) whilst the LibDems aaso increased their membership (900).

If the next General election was based upon members numbers, as a cross section of the population, then Labour (187,537) would gain the most votes followed by Conservatives (134,000) followed by LibDems (43,451) and then UKIP (35,081)!- but as it shows it would be a hung parliament. LibDems would probably team up with Labour, as they have been stung with teaming up with The Conservatives, thus giving a Labour/LibDem coalition.

Now for the Euros, in the last European Election UKIP gained 13 seats out of 73, but as we now go into the elections they only have 6 seats!!! My actual prediction is that they will win about 15 seats; Liberal Democrats will win about 13 seats; Conservatives will about 25 seats; Labour will win about 15 seats whilst the other seats (about 5 seats in total) will go to the various independents such as the Greens
Basically lets look at each party! The Conservatives - are looking at self-destruction with each scandal that keeps cropping up week after week Labour - would you want Milliband as your prime Minister? Liberal Democrats - will never get in as a "sole" party, especially with Clegg in charge UKIP - although it is a growing party still will not be strong enough to govern by themselves and will probably end up as part of a coalition, and if they act stubborn then we will probably end up like The Netherlands and have a general Election every 18 months due to non co-operation between the parties But like the last election - Nick Clegg actually came out on top with the television debates, but look what happened at the polling booth - they came last and even had less of a share of the vote than the previous election, whilst Labour and The Conservatives were about equal election!!! Then look at the meemberships between the parties. In the last 12 months there has been only one party that has lost member- The Conservatives (lost 900) whilst the party with thee most new members during the last 12 months is Labour (3,800 more), followed by UKIP (2,100) whilst the LibDems aaso increased their membership (900). If the next General election was based upon members numbers, as a cross section of the population, then Labour (187,537) would gain the most votes followed by Conservatives (134,000) followed by LibDems (43,451) and then UKIP (35,081)!- but as it shows it would be a hung parliament. LibDems would probably team up with Labour, as they have been stung with teaming up with The Conservatives, thus giving a Labour/LibDem coalition. Now for the Euros, in the last European Election UKIP gained 13 seats out of 73, but as we now go into the elections they only have 6 seats!!! My actual prediction is that they will win about 15 seats; Liberal Democrats will win about 13 seats; Conservatives will about 25 seats; Labour will win about 15 seats whilst the other seats (about 5 seats in total) will go to the various independents such as the Greens The Righteous One
  • Score: -49

6:11pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU.

This government could opt out at any time.
He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..
Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!!

Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload!
What the pundits say has nothing to do with the poll. All the pundits said after the debate Clegg Won but when the people voted the people said opposite. The pundits on tv are out of touch with what people are thinking just like the others in the west mister bubble. As for Derby it has now come out that the stats clegg gave were misleading... Clegg said there were the same number of people working in derby council than there is in the EU. What he failed to add was the numbers in derby were for all people who worked for the council from dinner ladies to road sweepers... about 38000, just less than the EU but its 38000 pen pushers only. Thats another Clegg lie well and truly exposed....
Don't know what news you were watching but I saw BBC, Sky and ITN all their pundits actually said that Farage won the televised debate!!!!

So how you can say that the pundits were wrong is astounding, unless, of course, you are doing reverse psychology and you are actually a Tory supporter and not UKIP!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU. This government could opt out at any time.[/p][/quote]He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..[/p][/quote]Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!! Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload![/p][/quote]What the pundits say has nothing to do with the poll. All the pundits said after the debate Clegg Won but when the people voted the people said opposite. The pundits on tv are out of touch with what people are thinking just like the others in the west mister bubble. As for Derby it has now come out that the stats clegg gave were misleading... Clegg said there were the same number of people working in derby council than there is in the EU. What he failed to add was the numbers in derby were for all people who worked for the council from dinner ladies to road sweepers... about 38000, just less than the EU but its 38000 pen pushers only. Thats another Clegg lie well and truly exposed....[/p][/quote]Don't know what news you were watching but I saw BBC, Sky and ITN all their pundits actually said that Farage won the televised debate!!!! So how you can say that the pundits were wrong is astounding, unless, of course, you are doing reverse psychology and you are actually a Tory supporter and not UKIP!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -40

6:19pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/nati
onal/news/11119001.F
arage__wins__second_
EU_debate/

Shows that the pundits say Farage won the televised debate and the poll straight after - but read it thoroughly and you will see that Clegg stated fact after fact after fact whilst all Farage could do was call he a liar, wilfully lying etc etc etc but with no factual information to back-up as to why Clegg was "lying"

I have to admit that thee televised debate was absolutely boring and gave up listening carefully to it after 20 minutes. Clegg trying to state his case whilst Farage was basically shouting over him. Clegg coming up with some fantasy facts and all Farage could says were lies and no reason why and the ultimate pathetic attempt by both was when they both became personal!!!

In my eyes these debates created no winner whatsoever as they were both as bad as each other - both to the extremes of the debate and as such there would be no middle ground, here the actual truth lies! Plus democracy was a loser in these debates as all the parties were not involved (and when I say all I mean all from The Conservatives to BNP and The Greens).
http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/nati onal/news/11119001.F arage__wins__second_ EU_debate/ Shows that the pundits say Farage won the televised debate and the poll straight after - but read it thoroughly and you will see that Clegg stated fact after fact after fact whilst all Farage could do was call he a liar, wilfully lying etc etc etc but with no factual information to back-up as to why Clegg was "lying" I have to admit that thee televised debate was absolutely boring and gave up listening carefully to it after 20 minutes. Clegg trying to state his case whilst Farage was basically shouting over him. Clegg coming up with some fantasy facts and all Farage could says were lies and no reason why and the ultimate pathetic attempt by both was when they both became personal!!! In my eyes these debates created no winner whatsoever as they were both as bad as each other - both to the extremes of the debate and as such there would be no middle ground, here the actual truth lies! Plus democracy was a loser in these debates as all the parties were not involved (and when I say all I mean all from The Conservatives to BNP and The Greens). The Righteous One
  • Score: -38

6:22pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Also, forgot to add, that Farage had to be corrected 10 times about incorrect facts - not by Clegg but by Mr David Dimbleby, who is actually anti-EU - if you ever read his biography!!!!!!
Could you post the link to prove this please.
There is no link as it is a television programme and NOT an internet link - but you can watch it in BBC i-Player!!!

www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye
r and search for the EU debate!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also, forgot to add, that Farage had to be corrected 10 times about incorrect facts - not by Clegg but by Mr David Dimbleby, who is actually anti-EU - if you ever read his biography!!!!!![/p][/quote]Could you post the link to prove this please.[/p][/quote]There is no link as it is a television programme and NOT an internet link - but you can watch it in BBC i-Player!!! www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye r and search for the EU debate! The Righteous One
  • Score: -59

6:32pm Tue 8 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Minimum wage in the UK is as follows:

Apprentice: £2.68/hour
Under 18: £3.72
18-20: £5.03
21 and over: £6.31

Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)
So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.
Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc

But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;-

1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU!
2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!!
3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave!
4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases!
5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!!
6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days!
7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee!
8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment!
9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted.
10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal!
11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business.
12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are:
· Burden of additional costs
· Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand
· Inability to reorganise work among existing staff
· Inability to recruit additional staff
· Detrimental impact on quality
· Detrimental impact on performance
· Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work
· Planned structural changes
13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion
14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it!
15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children
16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean
•At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort
•Free from humidity, well ventilated,
•Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors.
•Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken.
•Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected.
•If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection.
•Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes.
17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money!
18. Protection of whilstleblowers

But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/



social/main.jsp?catI



d=706&langId=en
We had most of those in place without the EU. We were leaders in workers rights. Your arguments for the EU are falling to bits just like Cleggs did.
No we were not!!!
Most of the stuff I have listed were not in place in legislation and companies knew this and took the pee out of their workforce.

Temporary workers never had the same rights as permanent until this laws!
Maternity leave was much less than what it is now
Paternity leave was much less than what it is now
Specials leave wasn't even recognised and if people ha to look after relatives then it was unpaid leave!
Working hours was not restricted and companies took the pee by allowing people to work 60+ hours on normal time with no overtime rate!!!!
There were no set annual leave
Companies could just say to a employee your fired without a reason and not pay any redundancy!!

Yes some laws were strengthened but the majority of the laws were brand new to the UK, compared to the rest of Europe. Do you not think as to why we were called the sweatshop of Europe???

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/worker
s-on-the-brink-of-br
eakdown-as-britain-b
ecomes-sweatshop-of-
europe-1364891.html

News report from The Independent in 1996, before the laws were introduced!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Minimum wage in the UK is as follows: Apprentice: £2.68/hour Under 18: £3.72 18-20: £5.03 21 and over: £6.31 Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)[/p][/quote]So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;- 1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU! 2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!! 3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave! 4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases! 5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!! 6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days! 7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee! 8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment! 9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted. 10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal! 11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business. 12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are: · Burden of additional costs · Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand · Inability to reorganise work among existing staff · Inability to recruit additional staff · Detrimental impact on quality · Detrimental impact on performance · Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work · Planned structural changes 13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion 14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it! 15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children 16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean •At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort •Free from humidity, well ventilated, •Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors. •Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken. •Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected. •If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection. •Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes. 17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money! 18. Protection of whilstleblowers But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/ social/main.jsp?catI d=706&langId=en[/p][/quote]We had most of those in place without the EU. We were leaders in workers rights. Your arguments for the EU are falling to bits just like Cleggs did.[/p][/quote]No we were not!!! Most of the stuff I have listed were not in place in legislation and companies knew this and took the pee out of their workforce. Temporary workers never had the same rights as permanent until this laws! Maternity leave was much less than what it is now Paternity leave was much less than what it is now Specials leave wasn't even recognised and if people ha to look after relatives then it was unpaid leave! Working hours was not restricted and companies took the pee by allowing people to work 60+ hours on normal time with no overtime rate!!!! There were no set annual leave Companies could just say to a employee your fired without a reason and not pay any redundancy!! Yes some laws were strengthened but the majority of the laws were brand new to the UK, compared to the rest of Europe. Do you not think as to why we were called the sweatshop of Europe??? http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/worker s-on-the-brink-of-br eakdown-as-britain-b ecomes-sweatshop-of- europe-1364891.html News report from The Independent in 1996, before the laws were introduced!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -43

9:05pm Tue 8 Apr 14

JustBecause says...

I will pay what I think someone is worth, always above the min, and if people are not happy, then it's not a prison sentence, they can leave whenever they want.

Sick of hearing winging people, especially the unions, going,on about the bosses taking big salaries, etc.

well stop moaning and become a boss, who do I moan to about not going on holiday for 7 years, or working 5 hrs more after everyone's gone home.

So stop moaning, and get another job, if your too thick to get another, be grateful for the one you have. Your not entitled to a living wage you have to earn it..
I will pay what I think someone is worth, always above the min, and if people are not happy, then it's not a prison sentence, they can leave whenever they want. Sick of hearing winging people, especially the unions, going,on about the bosses taking big salaries, etc. well stop moaning and become a boss, who do I moan to about not going on holiday for 7 years, or working 5 hrs more after everyone's gone home. So stop moaning, and get another job, if your too thick to get another, be grateful for the one you have. Your not entitled to a living wage you have to earn it.. JustBecause
  • Score: -3

9:10pm Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU.

This government could opt out at any time.
He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..
Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!!

Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload!
What the pundits say has nothing to do with the poll. All the pundits said after the debate Clegg Won but when the people voted the people said opposite. The pundits on tv are out of touch with what people are thinking just like the others in the west mister bubble. As for Derby it has now come out that the stats clegg gave were misleading... Clegg said there were the same number of people working in derby council than there is in the EU. What he failed to add was the numbers in derby were for all people who worked for the council from dinner ladies to road sweepers... about 38000, just less than the EU but its 38000 pen pushers only. Thats another Clegg lie well and truly exposed....
Don't know what news you were watching but I saw BBC, Sky and ITN all their pundits actually said that Farage won the televised debate!!!!

So how you can say that the pundits were wrong is astounding, unless, of course, you are doing reverse psychology and you are actually a Tory supporter and not UKIP!!!!
You are in a dream world pal our comments are over unless i see you lying like Clegg.. Ps .. who do you support ? ; )..... Its my right you will answer not to.....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: The minimum wage was braught in my Labour not the EU. This government could opt out at any time.[/p][/quote]He has suddenly gone away Jim his arguments on the Eu fall to bits like Cleggs did when given real stats and not some half truths that have been invented by very dangerous people aka the EU & Nick Clegg & Co..[/p][/quote]Actually ALL pundits have said that Clegg overdosed people on accurate facts and not what you are saying. All Farage could say was "lies", "liar", and more "lies." Not once did Farage put any meat on those comments to contradict Clegg of the accurate facts!!! Even your example of Derbyshire County Council (which was also Cleggs example) - Farage called Clegg a "liar" for stating the stats but that's all he could say and never contradicted Clegg on the figures, on the show but only said so "after" the event had taken place, by which time people were not bothered nor awake due to factoid overload![/p][/quote]What the pundits say has nothing to do with the poll. All the pundits said after the debate Clegg Won but when the people voted the people said opposite. The pundits on tv are out of touch with what people are thinking just like the others in the west mister bubble. As for Derby it has now come out that the stats clegg gave were misleading... Clegg said there were the same number of people working in derby council than there is in the EU. What he failed to add was the numbers in derby were for all people who worked for the council from dinner ladies to road sweepers... about 38000, just less than the EU but its 38000 pen pushers only. Thats another Clegg lie well and truly exposed....[/p][/quote]Don't know what news you were watching but I saw BBC, Sky and ITN all their pundits actually said that Farage won the televised debate!!!! So how you can say that the pundits were wrong is astounding, unless, of course, you are doing reverse psychology and you are actually a Tory supporter and not UKIP!!!![/p][/quote]You are in a dream world pal our comments are over unless i see you lying like Clegg.. Ps .. who do you support ? ; )..... Its my right you will answer not to..... thomas222
  • Score: 3

9:14pm Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Minimum wage in the UK is as follows:

Apprentice: £2.68/hour
Under 18: £3.72
18-20: £5.03
21 and over: £6.31

Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)
So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.
Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc

But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;-

1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU!
2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!!
3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave!
4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases!
5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!!
6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days!
7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee!
8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment!
9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted.
10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal!
11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business.
12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are:
· Burden of additional costs
· Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand
· Inability to reorganise work among existing staff
· Inability to recruit additional staff
· Detrimental impact on quality
· Detrimental impact on performance
· Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work
· Planned structural changes
13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion
14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it!
15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children
16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean
•At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort
•Free from humidity, well ventilated,
•Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors.
•Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken.
•Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected.
•If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection.
•Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes.
17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money!
18. Protection of whilstleblowers

But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/




social/main.jsp?catI




d=706&langId=en
We had most of those in place without the EU. We were leaders in workers rights. Your arguments for the EU are falling to bits just like Cleggs did.
No we were not!!!
Most of the stuff I have listed were not in place in legislation and companies knew this and took the pee out of their workforce.

Temporary workers never had the same rights as permanent until this laws!
Maternity leave was much less than what it is now
Paternity leave was much less than what it is now
Specials leave wasn't even recognised and if people ha to look after relatives then it was unpaid leave!
Working hours was not restricted and companies took the pee by allowing people to work 60+ hours on normal time with no overtime rate!!!!
There were no set annual leave
Companies could just say to a employee your fired without a reason and not pay any redundancy!!

Yes some laws were strengthened but the majority of the laws were brand new to the UK, compared to the rest of Europe. Do you not think as to why we were called the sweatshop of Europe???

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/worker

s-on-the-brink-of-br

eakdown-as-britain-b

ecomes-sweatshop-of-

europe-1364891.html

News report from The Independent in 1996, before the laws were introduced!!!
Here is one for you...... What is the UK % of our outgoing GDP trade with the Eu ?
Let me tell you.... Its 10 %.. : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Minimum wage in the UK is as follows: Apprentice: £2.68/hour Under 18: £3.72 18-20: £5.03 21 and over: £6.31 Now compare that to the Jobseekers allowance, £72.40, which equates to £2.07/hour and people have to live on that whilst searching for work and still having to pay bills such as food, travel (for job interviews and DWP interviews), utilities (water, electricity, gas, phone/net) and toiletries (would you hire someone who couldn't afford to have a shower and smell of body odour?)[/p][/quote]So where is this help they have given to British workers then you just proved my point with this comment. They have done zero for British workers.[/p][/quote]Lets not forget that the wages shown above are what Westminster and NOT Brussels advise as to what the minimum wage should be and therefore cannot be any lower. Before the Minimum Wage was introduced the Government didn't have a say! Also lets not forget that the above wages are no longer taxed as they equate to, or fall under, the £10,000/annum ceiling before tax has to be paid!!! Then there are the working tax credits and other income support benefits, such as Housing benefit, Child Income Support, etc etc etc But lets see what the EU has actually given the British worker;- 1. Introduced the minimum wage - how much lower would these wags be IF we were not part of the EU! 2. Introduced compulsory 25 day annual leave - before that was introduced some employers didn't give annual leave!!! 3. Temporary workers now have the same working conditions as permanent workers, including paid leave! 4. There now has to be a valid reason with at least 2 written warning before anyone can be fired, except in exceptional cases! 5. Introduced maximum hours of work - for many posts it is a maximum of 48 hours/week - although UK and Eire Governments gained an opt out in which people can select to opt out of the Maximum Hours per week which has been abused by many employers because they set the opt out as standard in contracts!!! 6. Entitlement to sick leave is now compulsory - previously any company could refuse sick-leave! But the compulsory sick leave is up to a maximum of 21 days! 7. Breach of contract legislation where the employer could actually be in breach and not just the employee! 8. None disclosure of "spent" criminal convictions (although there are a few exceptions) . In other words having a previous conviction can no longer you stop you from gaining employment! 9. Fair and Accurate references no have t be done by ALL employers and cannot be refused. Negative references are no longer accepted. 10. Unless part of the contract bag and boy searches are now illegal! 11. You have a right to time off without pay to be a member of a local council, health authority, school or college governing body, water authority, police authority, board of prison visitors or magistrates’ bench, or for jury service. The amount of time off is that which is reasonable taking into account the effect of your absence on your employer's business. 12. Employers are now compulsory obliged to offer/accept flexible working. This can be refused if your employer considers that one of a set of specific reasons applies. The reasons are: · Burden of additional costs · Detrimental effect on your employer’s ability to meet customer demand · Inability to reorganise work among existing staff · Inability to recruit additional staff · Detrimental impact on quality · Detrimental impact on performance · Insufficiency of work during the periods the employee proposes to work · Planned structural changes 13. Strengthening the laws on equal pay and no discrimination due to sex, colour or religion 14. Strengthening the laws on Statutory Maternity Pay and closing all the loopholes that companies used to use to not pay it! 15. All employees have the right to take a reasonable amount of time off to deal with family emergencies. Such absences are unpaid unless the employer agrees otherwise. The rights apply only to those providing care to a dependant which includes the employee’s spouse, parents, children 16. •Employers must keep workplaces clean •At a reasonable temperature, a minimum of 16¼C, or 13¼C when the work requires severe physical effort •Free from humidity, well ventilated, •Well lit and well provided with toilets and clean floors. •Dangerous machinery must be guarded or, when this is not practicable, other suitable steps taken. •Cranes must be kept in good mechanical order and be regularly inspected. •If you are working on processes involving danger to your eyes, you must be provided with and wear eye protection. •Adequate drinking water and washing facilities must be provided. The atmosphere must be kept free of harmful dust and fumes. 17. Strengthening the laws on how a company can dismiss a member of staff and the payment of redundancy money! 18. Protection of whilstleblowers But that is just a quick overview of what the EU has done fro the British worker. There are many more points and legislation that the EU has done for the workers but far too many to mention here but can be viewed via http://ec.europa.eu/ social/main.jsp?catI d=706&langId=en[/p][/quote]We had most of those in place without the EU. We were leaders in workers rights. Your arguments for the EU are falling to bits just like Cleggs did.[/p][/quote]No we were not!!! Most of the stuff I have listed were not in place in legislation and companies knew this and took the pee out of their workforce. Temporary workers never had the same rights as permanent until this laws! Maternity leave was much less than what it is now Paternity leave was much less than what it is now Specials leave wasn't even recognised and if people ha to look after relatives then it was unpaid leave! Working hours was not restricted and companies took the pee by allowing people to work 60+ hours on normal time with no overtime rate!!!! There were no set annual leave Companies could just say to a employee your fired without a reason and not pay any redundancy!! Yes some laws were strengthened but the majority of the laws were brand new to the UK, compared to the rest of Europe. Do you not think as to why we were called the sweatshop of Europe??? http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/worker s-on-the-brink-of-br eakdown-as-britain-b ecomes-sweatshop-of- europe-1364891.html News report from The Independent in 1996, before the laws were introduced!!![/p][/quote]Here is one for you...... What is the UK % of our outgoing GDP trade with the Eu ? Let me tell you.... Its 10 %.. : ) thomas222
  • Score: 3

9:25pm Tue 8 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
http://www.thebolton

news.co.uk/news/nati

onal/news/11119001.F

arage__wins__second_

EU_debate/

Shows that the pundits say Farage won the televised debate and the poll straight after - but read it thoroughly and you will see that Clegg stated fact after fact after fact whilst all Farage could do was call he a liar, wilfully lying etc etc etc but with no factual information to back-up as to why Clegg was "lying"

I have to admit that thee televised debate was absolutely boring and gave up listening carefully to it after 20 minutes. Clegg trying to state his case whilst Farage was basically shouting over him. Clegg coming up with some fantasy facts and all Farage could says were lies and no reason why and the ultimate pathetic attempt by both was when they both became personal!!!

In my eyes these debates created no winner whatsoever as they were both as bad as each other - both to the extremes of the debate and as such there would be no middle ground, here the actual truth lies! Plus democracy was a loser in these debates as all the parties were not involved (and when I say all I mean all from The Conservatives to BNP and The Greens).
AH lets so lets all forget the people want shall we. Its over you know it i know it and every bugger knows it... its a disaster & it is over as you can see by people like me .... France 10 Towns for the people it has shocked the foundations of the EU establishments like it will here very soon... In fact next month will prove it. That is our time you underestimate the British people.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/nati onal/news/11119001.F arage__wins__second_ EU_debate/ Shows that the pundits say Farage won the televised debate and the poll straight after - but read it thoroughly and you will see that Clegg stated fact after fact after fact whilst all Farage could do was call he a liar, wilfully lying etc etc etc but with no factual information to back-up as to why Clegg was "lying" I have to admit that thee televised debate was absolutely boring and gave up listening carefully to it after 20 minutes. Clegg trying to state his case whilst Farage was basically shouting over him. Clegg coming up with some fantasy facts and all Farage could says were lies and no reason why and the ultimate pathetic attempt by both was when they both became personal!!! In my eyes these debates created no winner whatsoever as they were both as bad as each other - both to the extremes of the debate and as such there would be no middle ground, here the actual truth lies! Plus democracy was a loser in these debates as all the parties were not involved (and when I say all I mean all from The Conservatives to BNP and The Greens).[/p][/quote]AH lets so lets all forget the people want shall we. Its over you know it i know it and every bugger knows it... its a disaster & it is over as you can see by people like me .... France 10 Towns for the people it has shocked the foundations of the EU establishments like it will here very soon... In fact next month will prove it. That is our time you underestimate the British people. thomas222
  • Score: 4

12:04am Thu 10 Apr 14

A Campbell says...

thomas222 wrote:
chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.
You're interested in workers' rights & pay conditions?

And you think Nigel Farage and UKIP is the answer?

You are an IDIOT.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.[/p][/quote]You're interested in workers' rights & pay conditions? And you think Nigel Farage and UKIP is the answer? You are an IDIOT. A Campbell
  • Score: -24

6:22am Thu 10 Apr 14

George X. says...

A Campbell wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.
You're interested in workers' rights & pay conditions?

And you think Nigel Farage and UKIP is the answer?

You are an IDIOT.
You need to take the blinkers off !!
[quote][p][bold]A Campbell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.[/p][/quote]You're interested in workers' rights & pay conditions? And you think Nigel Farage and UKIP is the answer? You are an IDIOT.[/p][/quote]You need to take the blinkers off !! George X.
  • Score: 1

10:08am Thu 10 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

A Campbell wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
chally123 wrote:
It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.
Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.
You're interested in workers' rights & pay conditions?

And you think Nigel Farage and UKIP is the answer?

You are an IDIOT.
Thanks for that.. typical comment from people who have a different view than you.. who do you vote for or are you another who dont vote.
[quote][p][bold]A Campbell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chally123[/bold] wrote: It is unscrupulous bosses who drive down wages not workers from other countries.[/p][/quote]Your correct but they do it because they can do. Thats why huge plc Companies say we should be in Europe. Big biz is only interested in their bottom line & not the workers rights & pay conditions.. More to choose from means more can be choosy what they pay.[/p][/quote]You're interested in workers' rights & pay conditions? And you think Nigel Farage and UKIP is the answer? You are an IDIOT.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that.. typical comment from people who have a different view than you.. who do you vote for or are you another who dont vote. thomas222
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Thu 10 Apr 14

johnnyjackson says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!!
Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!![/p][/quote]Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Thu 10 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!!
Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.
English should start with a capital..
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!![/p][/quote]Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.[/p][/quote]English should start with a capital.. thomas222
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Thu 10 Apr 14

johnnyjackson says...

united99 wrote:
Jim come and work for me in my Indian takeaway or my car wash or my car hire business and I will pay you £2.71 @ hour....
It's a dogs life jim - get off your backside and stop wringing !
Better still, rob people.
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: Jim come and work for me in my Indian takeaway or my car wash or my car hire business and I will pay you £2.71 @ hour.... It's a dogs life jim - get off your backside and stop wringing ![/p][/quote]Better still, rob people. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Thu 10 Apr 14

johnnyjackson says...

thomas222 wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!!
Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.
English should start with a capital..
Thomas also starts with a capital - doooooooooooooohhhhh
hhh
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!![/p][/quote]Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.[/p][/quote]English should start with a capital..[/p][/quote]Thomas also starts with a capital - doooooooooooooohhhhh hhh johnnyjackson
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2:01pm Thu 10 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!!
Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.
English should start with a capital..
Thomas also starts with a capital - doooooooooooooohhhhh

hhh
As Johnny is. Have you nothing better to do than pick up on a spelling mistake by a poster on here. Tells me your a Troll with nothing to add. Bye.
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!![/p][/quote]Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.[/p][/quote]English should start with a capital..[/p][/quote]Thomas also starts with a capital - doooooooooooooohhhhh hhh[/p][/quote]As Johnny is. Have you nothing better to do than pick up on a spelling mistake by a poster on here. Tells me your a Troll with nothing to add. Bye. thomas222
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2:30pm Thu 10 Apr 14

johnnyjackson says...

thomas222 wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!!
Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.
English should start with a capital..
Thomas also starts with a capital - doooooooooooooohhhhh


hhh
As Johnny is. Have you nothing better to do than pick up on a spelling mistake by a poster on here. Tells me your a Troll with nothing to add. Bye.
lol
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: imports doing cheep cheep jobs and employers using people like serco help to reduce the wage so everyone's stuck on basic wages working stupid hours etc etc. best off going on the dole or learning a trade while on the dole. or better still move to another part of england where they dont see the level of immigration like we do here and us english people can steal their highly paid jobs from them!![/p][/quote]Learn to speak and type english properly first before blaming the immigrants.[/p][/quote]English should start with a capital..[/p][/quote]Thomas also starts with a capital - doooooooooooooohhhhh hhh[/p][/quote]As Johnny is. Have you nothing better to do than pick up on a spelling mistake by a poster on here. Tells me your a Troll with nothing to add. Bye.[/p][/quote]lol johnnyjackson
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7:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

sallyupsteps says...

Jim271 wrote:
I am not against the actual immigrants, I am against the companies and the government that exploits them.

As Nigel said, good news for the rich, Cheaper nannies, cheaper gardeners, cheaper drivers.

Whilst the British people who should be doing these jobs are thrown onto benefits and then told they have to work for free or visit food banks.
At last! Someone who can see through the smoke and mirrors. The public are being deceived. While we are arguing over a crust the political classes have their snouts in the trough.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: I am not against the actual immigrants, I am against the companies and the government that exploits them. As Nigel said, good news for the rich, Cheaper nannies, cheaper gardeners, cheaper drivers. Whilst the British people who should be doing these jobs are thrown onto benefits and then told they have to work for free or visit food banks.[/p][/quote]At last! Someone who can see through the smoke and mirrors. The public are being deceived. While we are arguing over a crust the political classes have their snouts in the trough. sallyupsteps
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8:27pm Fri 11 Apr 14

frankandbill says...

Oh dear. Lots of noise but not one ounce of reality.

Immigration never was, and still isn't, a cause of low pay, inequality or poverty. Anyone espousing such an argument is either deluded, ignorant, or petty minded nationalist. If investors want to exploit cheap labour, they can easily set up production in 3rd world countries to take advantage of relative low labour costs.

It's got chuff all to do with nasty bosses exploiting cheap imported labour either (which is a euphemism for an anti immigration point if view if you ask me)

And it's got sod all to do with feckless ne'er do wells sponging off the state (despite a justifiable concern about said loafing spongers)

No - this is about a fairly widespread left/right consensus that has lost faith in the idea of economic development as an unalloyed good.

Think about it:

Who, among the political elite, is up for unfettered, unrestrained, economic development?

Who believes there should be a home building programme that puts human need before the interests of the environment?

Who believes there should be a road building programme to massively increase the capacity for road travel along our motorways and A roads?

Who believes there should be a massive investment in Shale Gas technology to dramatically increase the production of energy?

Who believes there should be massive investment in nuclear power?

Who believes there should be massive investment in GM technology that can dramatically increase crop yield per input?

Answer: Not many. Not may in the political elite, and I guess not many on this thread. But if you really want to know why poverty is still an issue in an advanced western democracy - then start to think about the above before jumping to the tired, worn out, wasted conclusions of the past
Oh dear. Lots of noise but not one ounce of reality. Immigration never was, and still isn't, a cause of low pay, inequality or poverty. Anyone espousing such an argument is either deluded, ignorant, or petty minded nationalist. If investors want to exploit cheap labour, they can easily set up production in 3rd world countries to take advantage of relative low labour costs. It's got chuff all to do with nasty bosses exploiting cheap imported labour either (which is a euphemism for an anti immigration point if view if you ask me) And it's got sod all to do with feckless ne'er do wells sponging off the state (despite a justifiable concern about said loafing spongers) No - this is about a fairly widespread left/right consensus that has lost faith in the idea of economic development as an unalloyed good. Think about it: Who, among the political elite, is up for unfettered, unrestrained, economic development? Who believes there should be a home building programme that puts human need before the interests of the environment? Who believes there should be a road building programme to massively increase the capacity for road travel along our motorways and A roads? Who believes there should be a massive investment in Shale Gas technology to dramatically increase the production of energy? Who believes there should be massive investment in nuclear power? Who believes there should be massive investment in GM technology that can dramatically increase crop yield per input? Answer: Not many. Not may in the political elite, and I guess not many on this thread. But if you really want to know why poverty is still an issue in an advanced western democracy - then start to think about the above before jumping to the tired, worn out, wasted conclusions of the past frankandbill
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10:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

frankandbill wrote:
Oh dear. Lots of noise but not one ounce of reality.

Immigration never was, and still isn't, a cause of low pay, inequality or poverty. Anyone espousing such an argument is either deluded, ignorant, or petty minded nationalist. If investors want to exploit cheap labour, they can easily set up production in 3rd world countries to take advantage of relative low labour costs.

It's got chuff all to do with nasty bosses exploiting cheap imported labour either (which is a euphemism for an anti immigration point if view if you ask me)

And it's got sod all to do with feckless ne'er do wells sponging off the state (despite a justifiable concern about said loafing spongers)

No - this is about a fairly widespread left/right consensus that has lost faith in the idea of economic development as an unalloyed good.

Think about it:

Who, among the political elite, is up for unfettered, unrestrained, economic development?

Who believes there should be a home building programme that puts human need before the interests of the environment?

Who believes there should be a road building programme to massively increase the capacity for road travel along our motorways and A roads?

Who believes there should be a massive investment in Shale Gas technology to dramatically increase the production of energy?

Who believes there should be massive investment in nuclear power?

Who believes there should be massive investment in GM technology that can dramatically increase crop yield per input?

Answer: Not many. Not may in the political elite, and I guess not many on this thread. But if you really want to know why poverty is still an issue in an advanced western democracy - then start to think about the above before jumping to the tired, worn out, wasted conclusions of the past
Who do you vote for... :)
[quote][p][bold]frankandbill[/bold] wrote: Oh dear. Lots of noise but not one ounce of reality. Immigration never was, and still isn't, a cause of low pay, inequality or poverty. Anyone espousing such an argument is either deluded, ignorant, or petty minded nationalist. If investors want to exploit cheap labour, they can easily set up production in 3rd world countries to take advantage of relative low labour costs. It's got chuff all to do with nasty bosses exploiting cheap imported labour either (which is a euphemism for an anti immigration point if view if you ask me) And it's got sod all to do with feckless ne'er do wells sponging off the state (despite a justifiable concern about said loafing spongers) No - this is about a fairly widespread left/right consensus that has lost faith in the idea of economic development as an unalloyed good. Think about it: Who, among the political elite, is up for unfettered, unrestrained, economic development? Who believes there should be a home building programme that puts human need before the interests of the environment? Who believes there should be a road building programme to massively increase the capacity for road travel along our motorways and A roads? Who believes there should be a massive investment in Shale Gas technology to dramatically increase the production of energy? Who believes there should be massive investment in nuclear power? Who believes there should be massive investment in GM technology that can dramatically increase crop yield per input? Answer: Not many. Not may in the political elite, and I guess not many on this thread. But if you really want to know why poverty is still an issue in an advanced western democracy - then start to think about the above before jumping to the tired, worn out, wasted conclusions of the past[/p][/quote]Who do you vote for... :) thomas222
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8:39pm Sun 13 Apr 14

George X. says...

sarahparker wrote:
please seek help from the local mental health team the righteous one

you sound scary and ill

and why are you not posting as your alter ego which is just as unbalanced BWFC ??

banned i presume for compulsive obsessive posting

wow you are a real mental case !!
Hear hear , well said.
[quote][p][bold]sarahparker[/bold] wrote: please seek help from the local mental health team the righteous one you sound scary and ill and why are you not posting as your alter ego which is just as unbalanced BWFC ?? banned i presume for compulsive obsessive posting wow you are a real mental case !![/p][/quote]Hear hear , well said. George X.
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9:37am Mon 14 Apr 14

BWFC71.1 says...

Hmm lets see

Thomas222 - yet again having a go at someone who doesn't agree with UKIP policies - yes these anti-Ukippers are in he majority!!!

SarahParker - a 40+ year old troll, who doesn't live in Bolton (caught out because they don't know Bolton after being questioned about it last night), pretending to be an 18 year woman and tries to hard to use street-talk when in casual chit chat they don't even use street-talk and commenting on news reports which are not part of the 18-24 demography and as such wouldn't even comment. But guess what registered yesterday and all the poster has done is give abuse to The Righteous One, and anyone the poster thinks is me!!!!!
Also this poster does keep getting banned for ignoring the terms and conditions of this website and then keep rejoining by using a proxy IP address and using names from the world of Entertainment!!! (as in Sarah Jessica Parker!!!!)
Not once has this person commented on the actual news report, but has rather just given abuse to The Righteous One!!! And only on threads where George X. has started the abuse - a bit strange that don't you think?

George X. - this is the posters 3rd incarnation as, like above, keeps getting banned for breaking the terms and conditions on this website. Again this poster has re-signed using a proxy IP address and has not actually commented on the news reports but only given personal abuse to The Righteous One.

For those wishing to remove Thomas222, SarahParker and George X. then press thumbs down - if you want them to stay then press the thumbs up - these people enjoy using the thumbs, therefore lets use the system to vote them off!!!.
Hmm lets see Thomas222 - yet again having a go at someone who doesn't agree with UKIP policies - yes these anti-Ukippers are in he majority!!! SarahParker - a 40+ year old troll, who doesn't live in Bolton (caught out because they don't know Bolton after being questioned about it last night), pretending to be an 18 year woman and tries to hard to use street-talk when in casual chit chat they don't even use street-talk and commenting on news reports which are not part of the 18-24 demography and as such wouldn't even comment. But guess what registered yesterday and all the poster has done is give abuse to The Righteous One, and anyone the poster thinks is me!!!!! Also this poster does keep getting banned for ignoring the terms and conditions of this website and then keep rejoining by using a proxy IP address and using names from the world of Entertainment!!! (as in Sarah Jessica Parker!!!!) Not once has this person commented on the actual news report, but has rather just given abuse to The Righteous One!!! And only on threads where George X. has started the abuse - a bit strange that don't you think? George X. - this is the posters 3rd incarnation as, like above, keeps getting banned for breaking the terms and conditions on this website. Again this poster has re-signed using a proxy IP address and has not actually commented on the news reports but only given personal abuse to The Righteous One. For those wishing to remove Thomas222, SarahParker and George X. then press thumbs down - if you want them to stay then press the thumbs up - these people enjoy using the thumbs, therefore lets use the system to vote them off!!!. BWFC71.1
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