Councils sign agreement to improve Bolton - Leigh bus route

Councils sign agreement to improve Bolton - Leigh bus route

Councils sign agreement to improve Bolton - Leigh bus route

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , politics reporter

BOLTON and Wigan councils have signed an agreement to improve a busy bus service linking the town centre with Leigh.

Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM) has spearheaded the move for the first ever Voluntary Bus Partnership Agreement (VPA) in Greater Manchester for the 582 bus route, along with operator First.

The 582 carries about 1.5 million passengers a year as it travels along Leigh Road and St Helens Road.

The VPA means the two councils and TFGM promise to maintain the roads, bus stops and shelters, improve traffic managements and make sure parking restrictions are enforced.

In turn, First will agree to provide regular, reliable bus services run on time with quality vehicles. Bolton Council’s cabinet member for highways and transport, Cllr David Chadwick, said that the arrangement would benefit all.

He added: “Signing up to this agreement shows that we are committed to working with our partners to deliver improvements to public transport which will benefit our residents, and we welcome this opportunity to deliver better bus services for bus users.”

Cllr Mark Aldred, vice chairman of the TfGM Committee and transport spokesman for Wigan Council, said they were delighted to get behind the arrangement.

He added: “The agreement is all about safeguarding the long-term future of this important bus route, improving bus services and hopefully boosting bus use too.

“First is already delivering a good service along this route, and I expect this partnership to drive forward even more improvements for passengers.”

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9:29am Wed 9 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

It's good, but better still would be an agreement to run the bus all the way through to Warrington. A lot of people in Bolton work in Warrington and have no choice but to take the car or catch two buses. If you ran the bus all through to Warrington there would be more people on it.
It's good, but better still would be an agreement to run the bus all the way through to Warrington. A lot of people in Bolton work in Warrington and have no choice but to take the car or catch two buses. If you ran the bus all through to Warrington there would be more people on it. Ernagy2
  • Score: 5

10:01am Wed 9 Apr 14

Hulton Park says...

This is tokenism of the first order. We have a highly fragmented bus lane that is not enforced when it needs to be (as a drive through Daubhill will confirm).

This supposedly "Quality Bus Corridor" has a lower frequency (only half-hourly in the evenings), is less reliable and has fewer links than it did fifty years ago. From Hulton Lane Ends, there used to be links to Bolton and Leigh, Manchester, Chorley, Wigan, Warrington and (in summer) Preston and Blackpool. Now, only the first two remain.

Fares, even after the recent review forced on First, are still appallingly high for shorter journeys.

Perhaps TfGM will now ensure that the real-time information system, installed well over a decade ago, actually works. Warrington and Blackburn have managed it - but then they are unitary authorities, with control of their own services.

So much for "integrated transport". TfGM? It's about Manchester, stupid.
This is tokenism of the first order. We have a highly fragmented bus lane that is not enforced when it needs to be (as a drive through Daubhill will confirm). This supposedly "Quality Bus Corridor" has a lower frequency (only half-hourly in the evenings), is less reliable and has fewer links than it did fifty years ago. From Hulton Lane Ends, there used to be links to Bolton and Leigh, Manchester, Chorley, Wigan, Warrington and (in summer) Preston and Blackpool. Now, only the first two remain. Fares, even after the recent review forced on First, are still appallingly high for shorter journeys. Perhaps TfGM will now ensure that the real-time information system, installed well over a decade ago, actually works. Warrington and Blackburn have managed it - but then they are unitary authorities, with control of their own services. So much for "integrated transport". TfGM? It's about Manchester, stupid. Hulton Park
  • Score: 3

10:48am Wed 9 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.
What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass. Gore Seer
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

NCP will be pleased, more bus lanes, more fines, more profits,

stuff the motorist.
NCP will be pleased, more bus lanes, more fines, more profits, stuff the motorist. Jim271
  • Score: -2

1:01pm Wed 9 Apr 14

chris25 says...

i find when you get on a first bus more often than not you are treated like an inconvenience with the drivers attitude.
i find when you get on a first bus more often than not you are treated like an inconvenience with the drivers attitude. chris25
  • Score: 2

4:03pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

Gore Seer wrote:
What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.
I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.[/p][/quote]I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told. Gore Seer
  • Score: 0

4:33pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Gore Seer wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.
I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.
First in Greater Manchester bus is a company (that is part of the Scottish based First Group that operate bus and rail companies across the country and overseas - they own the Greyhound coach services in the US). They operate the 582 as a commercial bus service, in other words it is not subsidised., during the daytime, evenings and Sundays!

First do not bring in other bus companies! Other bus companies either have their own commercial routes (i.e. receive no subsidy from TfGM) or they operate routes on behalf of TfGM (i.e. subsidised)

Of course you cannot use their tickets with other bus companies - would you expect to buy goods in Tesco using Asda vouchers?

TfGM tickets can be used on with all the bus companies that operate within the Greater Manchester area - in fact a £5.50 System One Day Ticket means you can go from Egerton to Hazel Grove and back or from Milnrow to Irlam and back!!!
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.[/p][/quote]I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.[/p][/quote]First in Greater Manchester bus is a company (that is part of the Scottish based First Group that operate bus and rail companies across the country and overseas - they own the Greyhound coach services in the US). They operate the 582 as a commercial bus service, in other words it is not subsidised., during the daytime, evenings and Sundays! First do not bring in other bus companies! Other bus companies either have their own commercial routes (i.e. receive no subsidy from TfGM) or they operate routes on behalf of TfGM (i.e. subsidised) Of course you cannot use their tickets with other bus companies - would you expect to buy goods in Tesco using Asda vouchers? TfGM tickets can be used on with all the bus companies that operate within the Greater Manchester area - in fact a £5.50 System One Day Ticket means you can go from Egerton to Hazel Grove and back or from Milnrow to Irlam and back!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 1

4:51pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Hulton Park says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Gore Seer wrote: What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.
I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.
First in Greater Manchester bus is a company (that is part of the Scottish based First Group that operate bus and rail companies across the country and overseas - they own the Greyhound coach services in the US). They operate the 582 as a commercial bus service, in other words it is not subsidised., during the daytime, evenings and Sundays! First do not bring in other bus companies! Other bus companies either have their own commercial routes (i.e. receive no subsidy from TfGM) or they operate routes on behalf of TfGM (i.e. subsidised) Of course you cannot use their tickets with other bus companies - would you expect to buy goods in Tesco using Asda vouchers? TfGM tickets can be used on with all the bus companies that operate within the Greater Manchester area - in fact a £5.50 System One Day Ticket means you can go from Egerton to Hazel Grove and back or from Milnrow to Irlam and back!!!
... not from Leigh to Culcheth, or from Bolton to Belmont, because of the stupid Greater Manchester boundary. Nor can you get a train from Newton station - the nearest railway link for many in the Leigh area.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.[/p][/quote]I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.[/p][/quote]First in Greater Manchester bus is a company (that is part of the Scottish based First Group that operate bus and rail companies across the country and overseas - they own the Greyhound coach services in the US). They operate the 582 as a commercial bus service, in other words it is not subsidised., during the daytime, evenings and Sundays! First do not bring in other bus companies! Other bus companies either have their own commercial routes (i.e. receive no subsidy from TfGM) or they operate routes on behalf of TfGM (i.e. subsidised) Of course you cannot use their tickets with other bus companies - would you expect to buy goods in Tesco using Asda vouchers? TfGM tickets can be used on with all the bus companies that operate within the Greater Manchester area - in fact a £5.50 System One Day Ticket means you can go from Egerton to Hazel Grove and back or from Milnrow to Irlam and back!!![/p][/quote]... not from Leigh to Culcheth, or from Bolton to Belmont, because of the stupid Greater Manchester boundary. Nor can you get a train from Newton station - the nearest railway link for many in the Leigh area. Hulton Park
  • Score: 1

5:55pm Wed 9 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.
I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.
First in Greater Manchester bus is a company (that is part of the Scottish based First Group that operate bus and rail companies across the country and overseas - they own the Greyhound coach services in the US). They operate the 582 as a commercial bus service, in other words it is not subsidised., during the daytime, evenings and Sundays!

First do not bring in other bus companies! Other bus companies either have their own commercial routes (i.e. receive no subsidy from TfGM) or they operate routes on behalf of TfGM (i.e. subsidised)

Of course you cannot use their tickets with other bus companies - would you expect to buy goods in Tesco using Asda vouchers?

TfGM tickets can be used on with all the bus companies that operate within the Greater Manchester area - in fact a £5.50 System One Day Ticket means you can go from Egerton to Hazel Grove and back or from Milnrow to Irlam and back!!!
You can buy a day ticket and use it with other companies, an example is the No22 served by First and stagecoach, ask the same a year ago and it would be a no.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.[/p][/quote]I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.[/p][/quote]First in Greater Manchester bus is a company (that is part of the Scottish based First Group that operate bus and rail companies across the country and overseas - they own the Greyhound coach services in the US). They operate the 582 as a commercial bus service, in other words it is not subsidised., during the daytime, evenings and Sundays! First do not bring in other bus companies! Other bus companies either have their own commercial routes (i.e. receive no subsidy from TfGM) or they operate routes on behalf of TfGM (i.e. subsidised) Of course you cannot use their tickets with other bus companies - would you expect to buy goods in Tesco using Asda vouchers? TfGM tickets can be used on with all the bus companies that operate within the Greater Manchester area - in fact a £5.50 System One Day Ticket means you can go from Egerton to Hazel Grove and back or from Milnrow to Irlam and back!!![/p][/quote]You can buy a day ticket and use it with other companies, an example is the No22 served by First and stagecoach, ask the same a year ago and it would be a no. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 0

7:08pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.
I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.
First in Greater Manchester bus is a company (that is part of the Scottish based First Group that operate bus and rail companies across the country and overseas - they own the Greyhound coach services in the US). They operate the 582 as a commercial bus service, in other words it is not subsidised., during the daytime, evenings and Sundays!

First do not bring in other bus companies! Other bus companies either have their own commercial routes (i.e. receive no subsidy from TfGM) or they operate routes on behalf of TfGM (i.e. subsidised)

Of course you cannot use their tickets with other bus companies - would you expect to buy goods in Tesco using Asda vouchers?

TfGM tickets can be used on with all the bus companies that operate within the Greater Manchester area - in fact a £5.50 System One Day Ticket means you can go from Egerton to Hazel Grove and back or from Milnrow to Irlam and back!!!
You can buy a day ticket and use it with other companies, an example is the No22 served by First and stagecoach, ask the same a year ago and it would be a no.
But it is only the 22 and X34 you can do that on due to the nature of the bus routes. But you try using a First ticket on 540, 512, 513 and forthcoming 38 (Farnworth to Manchester Royal Infirmary) and you will be refused and same for Stagecoach tickets on the other First routes! Also lets not forget that it was only about year ago when First REDUCED their fares to more in line with Stagecoach in the south of the county as before than First fares were fare higher than Stagecoach, hence another reason why its a bit more liberal now.

But also, lets not forget when someone buys aTfGM System One Day Ticket it is actually printed on a company watermarked bus ticket so buy off a First bus and then use on any other company although it will be a First watermarked ticket but it will still be valid as "System One" will be printed on the ticket!!!

But you cannot use a First or Stagecoach ticket when MCT operate the 22 on certain evenings services.

Also a year ago Stagecoach only had a small presence in the North of the county with Stagecoach Merseyside and South Lancashire operating the 125/6 and Stagecoach Manchester operating the 22 certain times of the day but now they bought the Wigan garage off First and bought Bluebird of Middleton and now have a significant presence in the north of the county!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: What A Load Of Crap. First Use Other Bus Company At Certain Times But You Cannot Use First Bus Tickets On Other Busses, Fare Increases Threw Back Door.60 Bus Pass Cancelled, 61 And A Half For Bus Pass.[/p][/quote]I Got It Wrong My Friend Criss Cant Get His Till 63 So He As Been Told.[/p][/quote]First in Greater Manchester bus is a company (that is part of the Scottish based First Group that operate bus and rail companies across the country and overseas - they own the Greyhound coach services in the US). They operate the 582 as a commercial bus service, in other words it is not subsidised., during the daytime, evenings and Sundays! First do not bring in other bus companies! Other bus companies either have their own commercial routes (i.e. receive no subsidy from TfGM) or they operate routes on behalf of TfGM (i.e. subsidised) Of course you cannot use their tickets with other bus companies - would you expect to buy goods in Tesco using Asda vouchers? TfGM tickets can be used on with all the bus companies that operate within the Greater Manchester area - in fact a £5.50 System One Day Ticket means you can go from Egerton to Hazel Grove and back or from Milnrow to Irlam and back!!![/p][/quote]You can buy a day ticket and use it with other companies, an example is the No22 served by First and stagecoach, ask the same a year ago and it would be a no.[/p][/quote]But it is only the 22 and X34 you can do that on due to the nature of the bus routes. But you try using a First ticket on 540, 512, 513 and forthcoming 38 (Farnworth to Manchester Royal Infirmary) and you will be refused and same for Stagecoach tickets on the other First routes! Also lets not forget that it was only about year ago when First REDUCED their fares to more in line with Stagecoach in the south of the county as before than First fares were fare higher than Stagecoach, hence another reason why its a bit more liberal now. But also, lets not forget when someone buys aTfGM System One Day Ticket it is actually printed on a company watermarked bus ticket so buy off a First bus and then use on any other company although it will be a First watermarked ticket but it will still be valid as "System One" will be printed on the ticket!!! But you cannot use a First or Stagecoach ticket when MCT operate the 22 on certain evenings services. Also a year ago Stagecoach only had a small presence in the North of the county with Stagecoach Merseyside and South Lancashire operating the 125/6 and Stagecoach Manchester operating the 22 certain times of the day but now they bought the Wigan garage off First and bought Bluebird of Middleton and now have a significant presence in the north of the county! The Righteous One
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Wed 9 Apr 14

JJKBolton says...

just how contradictory can these people get, ---------

" BOLTON and Wigan councils have signed an agreement to improve a busy bus service linking the town centre with Leigh.--Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM) has spearheaded the move for the first ever Voluntary Bus Partnership Agreement (VPA)"

If something is "voluntary" why do the parties concerned need to "sign an agreement"? The only thing worth signing is a legally binding contract and hell will freeze over before First Bus do that.

The above is just corporate window dressing and a very clever way of passing the buck when it all ends in tears, believe me NOTHING will change for the better if First Bus have anything to do with it. I couldn't care less what the commercial status of a bus route is, it is time for the bus operators to do as they are told not as they please and if they don't want to, they know where the roads out of Bolton are (and yes, the very thought of First Bus makes my skin crawl).

By the way, when are the bus operators going to publicly state that they will "voluntarily" use the new bus rail interchange (being built at taxpayers expense), or will the public have to force the issue on this point as well.?????
just how contradictory can these people get, --------- " BOLTON and Wigan councils have signed an agreement to improve a busy bus service linking the town centre with Leigh.--Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM) has spearheaded the move for the first ever Voluntary Bus Partnership Agreement (VPA)" If something is "voluntary" why do the parties concerned need to "sign an agreement"? The only thing worth signing is a legally binding contract and hell will freeze over before First Bus do that. The above is just corporate window dressing and a very clever way of passing the buck when it all ends in tears, believe me NOTHING will change for the better if First Bus have anything to do with it. I couldn't care less what the commercial status of a bus route is, it is time for the bus operators to do as they are told not as they please and if they don't want to, they know where the roads out of Bolton are (and yes, the very thought of First Bus makes my skin crawl). By the way, when are the bus operators going to publicly state that they will "voluntarily" use the new bus rail interchange (being built at taxpayers expense), or will the public have to force the issue on this point as well.????? JJKBolton
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Wed 9 Apr 14

JJKBolton says...

and yes I'm having a moan at First Bus, why? because they deserve it, take the last sentence of the above story and then think back a few years before First Bus got hold of the network???

“First is already delivering a good service along this route, and I expect this partnership to drive forward even more improvements for passengers.”

What a load of BOL----KS.

First Bus and the politicians would have us believe the service was appalling BEFORE First Bus arrived on the scene. The truth is First Bus destroyed the service and are now getting the politicians to do their bidding ---- yet another corporate smoke screen.

And just who do they think they are kidding running about in "Heritage Buses", they don't have a guilty conscience do they?
and yes I'm having a moan at First Bus, why? because they deserve it, take the last sentence of the above story and then think back a few years before First Bus got hold of the network??? “First is already delivering a good service along this route, and I expect this partnership to drive forward even more improvements for passengers.” What a load of BOL----KS. First Bus and the politicians would have us believe the service was appalling BEFORE First Bus arrived on the scene. The truth is First Bus destroyed the service and are now getting the politicians to do their bidding ---- yet another corporate smoke screen. And just who do they think they are kidding running about in "Heritage Buses", they don't have a guilty conscience do they? JJKBolton
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 10 Apr 14

AndrewMartinS says...

Funny how this agreement has been signed just weeks before Labour hope to unseat the Conservatives in Hulton and stop the independents winning again in Atherton!
Funny how this agreement has been signed just weeks before Labour hope to unseat the Conservatives in Hulton and stop the independents winning again in Atherton! AndrewMartinS
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Thu 10 Apr 14

rebecca153 says...

The service I have received since having my baby on this bus route is shocking! I was asked to get off the bus as the driver had no change. As the buses ate so I frequent and I had to get my 8 week old home I asked if I could quickly get change from the nearby shop (as I can't understand why he didn't have change as he was at the station) he said yes then when I stepped off he waved and grined at me as he drove off! This is not an isolated incident. I am forever being treated as second rate and for the prices you charge it's ridiculous. They never lower the bus and areso rude I wouldn't get this service if I could avoid it. Maybe this money would be better spent on training staff if you want to encourage more people to use these services, it hardly encourages you to want to travel to Bolton
The service I have received since having my baby on this bus route is shocking! I was asked to get off the bus as the driver had no change. As the buses ate so I frequent and I had to get my 8 week old home I asked if I could quickly get change from the nearby shop (as I can't understand why he didn't have change as he was at the station) he said yes then when I stepped off he waved and grined at me as he drove off! This is not an isolated incident. I am forever being treated as second rate and for the prices you charge it's ridiculous. They never lower the bus and areso rude I wouldn't get this service if I could avoid it. Maybe this money would be better spent on training staff if you want to encourage more people to use these services, it hardly encourages you to want to travel to Bolton rebecca153
  • Score: 0

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