Bolton taxpayers shell out £1 million 'to fill pension black hole'

The Bolton News: Bolton Town Hall Bolton Town Hall

TAXPAYERS in Bolton are paying an extra £1 million — equivalent to two-thirds of the council tax rise — to cover the local government pension black hole, according to a local councillor.

Cllr Martyn Cox, a former pensions adviser, has criticised Bolton Council for claiming a council tax rise was necessary to protect services — when the majority of the increase, he claims, is equal to money ploughed into the local government pension scheme to keep it afloat.

The £900,000 is over and above employer contributions the council makes.

Last year, Bolton Council paid an additional “one-off” contribution of £800,000 It is the only authority in the Greater Manchester to raise council tax, despite opposition leaders arguing it should take up the government’s offer of £1 million to freeze it and use part of the £7 million of one-off funds available to the authority to make up the rest.

Cllr Cox said: “I want tax payers to know how much council tax goes on services and how much goes on funding a pension scheme which would be impossible to sustain in a private setting.

“Many people no longer have a final pension salary after companies realised they could no longer sustain them, but they are still having to fund the public sector pension scheme.

“The government and public sector pension scheme needs reforming, it is unfair on the taxpayer.”

Unions stressed council employees already paid higher contributions to retain their final salary pension.

Martin Challender, Unison Branch Communications Officer, said: “As Cllr Cox is well aware, the local government pension scheme has already undergone significant reform with council workers now paying increased contributions for a much longer period in order to receive a pension at a later date.

“As a trade union we want the best occupational pensions for all workers.

“Cllr Cox appears to want the worst pensions for all workers.”

A Bolton Council spokesman said: “The council is a member of Greater Manchester Pension Fund.

“As with all work-based pension schemes, in addition to the contributions that employees make, the employer is also required to make a contribution and this is set by the pension fund actuary.”

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10:32am Wed 9 Apr 14

Donkey Stone says...

What a stupid system we have. The senior mangers in the council **** everything up and then jump ship with a fat pension and leave people on low incomes to fund it. Change is needed.
What a stupid system we have. The senior mangers in the council **** everything up and then jump ship with a fat pension and leave people on low incomes to fund it. Change is needed. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 20

11:02am Wed 9 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

Martin Challender - what Cllr Cox wants is transparency so tax payers rightly see where their cash is going. Something you appear to have a problem with?
Martin Challender - what Cllr Cox wants is transparency so tax payers rightly see where their cash is going. Something you appear to have a problem with? Tim Burr
  • Score: 17

11:04am Wed 9 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen. Jim271
  • Score: 12

11:15am Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -38

11:20am Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

This Election Bolton liebour party may just get a little shock. Never ever before have i seen & met so many people & i know many who are going to vote for the first time in many years due to their being no one to vote for as they are all the same. People have now a alternative they like its called UKIP.
This Election Bolton liebour party may just get a little shock. Never ever before have i seen & met so many people & i know many who are going to vote for the first time in many years due to their being no one to vote for as they are all the same. People have now a alternative they like its called UKIP. thomas222
  • Score: 17

11:35am Wed 9 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Righteous one, what is your solution,

Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less??

Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite!

I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.
Righteous one, what is your solution, Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less?? Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite! I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation. Jim271
  • Score: 9

11:35am Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think. thomas222
  • Score: 5

11:41am Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

11:42am Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Righteous one, what is your solution,

Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less??

Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite!

I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.
He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Righteous one, what is your solution, Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less?? Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite! I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.[/p][/quote]He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s. thomas222
  • Score: 1

11:49am Wed 9 Apr 14

underwater says...

These pensions can no longer be afforded. It is time something was done to stop all the parasites from leaching off hard working taxpayers.
These pensions can no longer be afforded. It is time something was done to stop all the parasites from leaching off hard working taxpayers. underwater
  • Score: 2

11:52am Wed 9 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United.

Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004.

We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United. Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004. We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants. Jim271
  • Score: 4

11:59am Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United.

Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004.

We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.
Every person i have met at ukip are real people. Paul Nutall is in this for the love of his country & when he tells you one knows he means it Jim....... What the pundits are afraid to say is this.. Its not just the EU now its change from the old status quo because we dont trust them anymore. People like John Boy are terrified.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United. Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004. We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.[/p][/quote]Every person i have met at ukip are real people. Paul Nutall is in this for the love of his country & when he tells you one knows he means it Jim....... What the pundits are afraid to say is this.. Its not just the EU now its change from the old status quo because we dont trust them anymore. People like John Boy are terrified. thomas222
  • Score: 3

12:01pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : ) thomas222
  • Score: -2

12:53pm Wed 9 Apr 14

I, Ludicrous says...

Should you ever require any proof positive as to just what an outmoded bunch of cretins Union officials are, then look no further than the cringe-worthy comments made there by Martin Challender, ladies and gentlemen. Unbelievable.
Should you ever require any proof positive as to just what an outmoded bunch of cretins Union officials are, then look no further than the cringe-worthy comments made there by Martin Challender, ladies and gentlemen. Unbelievable. I, Ludicrous
  • Score: 5

2:49pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Righteous one, what is your solution,

Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less??

Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite!

I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.
He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.
Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!!

Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Righteous one, what is your solution, Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less?? Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite! I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.[/p][/quote]He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.[/p][/quote]Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!! Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something! The Righteous One
  • Score: -39

2:57pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Righteous one, what is your solution,

Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less??

Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite!

I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.
He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.
Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!!

Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something!
Perhaps im on a zero hours contract that the department for workers rights at the EU enforced for my protection eh!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Righteous one, what is your solution, Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less?? Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite! I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.[/p][/quote]He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.[/p][/quote]Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!! Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something![/p][/quote]Perhaps im on a zero hours contract that the department for workers rights at the EU enforced for my protection eh! thomas222
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!!

Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday:
"The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%.

It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate."

And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT
"The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown.

The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter.

Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year.

One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"."

Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )[/p][/quote]But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!! Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday: "The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%. It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate." And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT "The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown. The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter. Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year. One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"." Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -23

3:08pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Righteous one, what is your solution,

Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less??

Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite!

I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.
He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.
Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!!

Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something!
Perhaps im on a zero hours contract that the department for workers rights at the EU enforced for my protection eh!
They haven't enforced the Zero Hours contract!

Zero Hours contract are used all over the world and not just in the EU so how you can blame businesses for not doing their bit on the EU is just utterly pathetic!!!!

If you have a problem with Zero Hours contracts then take it up with your employer who introduced it into their workplace and NOT the EU!!! As it is more than 60% of people on Zero Hours Contracts are actually very happy to be on them and suits them down to the ground - are you no begrudging these working people from wanting a contract that suits their lifestyle?

I am not a fan of Zero Hour Contracts but at least I don't blame the wrong people for their introduction, like you!!! If anything they ought to be outlawed and there is only one place that can outlaw them, at this moment in time and that is Westminster, and NOT Brussels!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Righteous one, what is your solution, Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less?? Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite! I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.[/p][/quote]He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.[/p][/quote]Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!! Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something![/p][/quote]Perhaps im on a zero hours contract that the department for workers rights at the EU enforced for my protection eh![/p][/quote]They haven't enforced the Zero Hours contract! Zero Hours contract are used all over the world and not just in the EU so how you can blame businesses for not doing their bit on the EU is just utterly pathetic!!!! If you have a problem with Zero Hours contracts then take it up with your employer who introduced it into their workplace and NOT the EU!!! As it is more than 60% of people on Zero Hours Contracts are actually very happy to be on them and suits them down to the ground - are you no begrudging these working people from wanting a contract that suits their lifestyle? I am not a fan of Zero Hour Contracts but at least I don't blame the wrong people for their introduction, like you!!! If anything they ought to be outlawed and there is only one place that can outlaw them, at this moment in time and that is Westminster, and NOT Brussels!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -48

3:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!!

Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday:
"The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%.

It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate."

And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT
"The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown.

The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter.

Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year.

One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"."

Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)
Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )[/p][/quote]But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!! Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday: "The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%. It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate." And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT "The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown. The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter. Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year. One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"." Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)[/p][/quote]Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU. thomas222
  • Score: -1

3:18pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Righteous one, what is your solution,

Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less??

Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite!

I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.
He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.
Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!!

Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something!
Perhaps im on a zero hours contract that the department for workers rights at the EU enforced for my protection eh!
They haven't enforced the Zero Hours contract!

Zero Hours contract are used all over the world and not just in the EU so how you can blame businesses for not doing their bit on the EU is just utterly pathetic!!!!

If you have a problem with Zero Hours contracts then take it up with your employer who introduced it into their workplace and NOT the EU!!! As it is more than 60% of people on Zero Hours Contracts are actually very happy to be on them and suits them down to the ground - are you no begrudging these working people from wanting a contract that suits their lifestyle?

I am not a fan of Zero Hour Contracts but at least I don't blame the wrong people for their introduction, like you!!! If anything they ought to be outlawed and there is only one place that can outlaw them, at this moment in time and that is Westminster, and NOT Brussels!!!
Thought their job was to protect us with things like hours worked or have i got it wrong perhaps? : )
Just another waste of tax payers money to some of the 42. 000 pen pushers in Brussels who do nothing but push paper around and have paid for parties on the 3rd floor wearing afro wigs.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Righteous one, what is your solution, Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less?? Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite! I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.[/p][/quote]He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.[/p][/quote]Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!! Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something![/p][/quote]Perhaps im on a zero hours contract that the department for workers rights at the EU enforced for my protection eh![/p][/quote]They haven't enforced the Zero Hours contract! Zero Hours contract are used all over the world and not just in the EU so how you can blame businesses for not doing their bit on the EU is just utterly pathetic!!!! If you have a problem with Zero Hours contracts then take it up with your employer who introduced it into their workplace and NOT the EU!!! As it is more than 60% of people on Zero Hours Contracts are actually very happy to be on them and suits them down to the ground - are you no begrudging these working people from wanting a contract that suits their lifestyle? I am not a fan of Zero Hour Contracts but at least I don't blame the wrong people for their introduction, like you!!! If anything they ought to be outlawed and there is only one place that can outlaw them, at this moment in time and that is Westminster, and NOT Brussels!!![/p][/quote]Thought their job was to protect us with things like hours worked or have i got it wrong perhaps? : ) Just another waste of tax payers money to some of the 42. 000 pen pushers in Brussels who do nothing but push paper around and have paid for parties on the 3rd floor wearing afro wigs. thomas222
  • Score: -1

3:32pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim, Thomas

Whatever you say on here will NOT match to what happens in the polling booths like I said yesterday on another thread!

My thoughts are:-
Conservatives - scandal after Scandal
Labour - would you vote for Milliband?
LibDems - Only chance of getting anywhere is to replace Clegg and possibly bring back Kennedy
UKIP - the new Adolf Hitler (even with the same hairstyle and oratory skills) but apart from the EU they have no other policies for people to mull over!!!

Reality is:-
LOCAL ELECTIONS
As only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs, it isn't about over-throwing labour as that cannot happen due to the number of seats they already hold on the council - even if it was a landslide to get them out! My prediction is that Labour will be the overall majority, although lower than previously, with the Conservatives close behind and LibDems and UKIP lagging behind.

EUROPEAN ELECTIONS:
Conservatives : 25 Seats
Labour: 15 Seats
UKIP: 15 Seats (but in last EURO election UKIP gained 13 seats but then lost 7 of those seats to the Big 3 and The Greens and thus currently only have 6 seats!!!)
LibDems: 13 Seats
Others: 5 Seats

GENERAL ELECTION (2015) - based upon Party Membership numbers
LABOUR (2nd most expensive party to be a member of and last 12 months gained an extra 3000+ members) Majority WIN but not overall majority!
CONSERVATIVES (the cheapest party to bee a member of and last 12 months lost 900 members) Gain the second highest number of seats
LIBERAL DEMOCRATS (1st most expensive to be a member of and gained an extra 800 members over last 12 months) Gain the third highest number of seats
UKIP (3rd cheapest of the so-called "major2 parties - will gain some seats but nowhere near the number they are expecting - if anything they will, at most get about 10 seats

I expect a hung parliament in which Labour and LibDems will form a coalition! If UKIP formed a coalition with The Conservatives then we would end up like The Netherlands with General elections every few months because of lack of movement between the parties to form a coalition - LibDems will be thee keystone, again, to any coalition, as Farage has already said he will not work with any of the Big 3 parties to form a coalition!!!

Lets not forget that its not the number of votes a party gets but the number of seats they win! UKIP will probably gain more votes that the LibDems but end up with less than half the number of seats as LibDems!

As an idea, lets see what you think and lets see what the outcome actually is to see who is best at reading the political climate - a bit like fantasy football!!! (I have already stated my thoughts above, so what are yours)
Jim, Thomas Whatever you say on here will NOT match to what happens in the polling booths like I said yesterday on another thread! My thoughts are:- Conservatives - scandal after Scandal Labour - would you vote for Milliband? LibDems - Only chance of getting anywhere is to replace Clegg and possibly bring back Kennedy UKIP - the new Adolf Hitler (even with the same hairstyle and oratory skills) but apart from the EU they have no other policies for people to mull over!!! Reality is:- LOCAL ELECTIONS As only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs, it isn't about over-throwing labour as that cannot happen due to the number of seats they already hold on the council - even if it was a landslide to get them out! My prediction is that Labour will be the overall majority, although lower than previously, with the Conservatives close behind and LibDems and UKIP lagging behind. EUROPEAN ELECTIONS: Conservatives : 25 Seats Labour: 15 Seats UKIP: 15 Seats (but in last EURO election UKIP gained 13 seats but then lost 7 of those seats to the Big 3 and The Greens and thus currently only have 6 seats!!!) LibDems: 13 Seats Others: 5 Seats GENERAL ELECTION (2015) - based upon Party Membership numbers LABOUR (2nd most expensive party to be a member of and last 12 months gained an extra 3000+ members) Majority WIN but not overall majority! CONSERVATIVES (the cheapest party to bee a member of and last 12 months lost 900 members) Gain the second highest number of seats LIBERAL DEMOCRATS (1st most expensive to be a member of and gained an extra 800 members over last 12 months) Gain the third highest number of seats UKIP (3rd cheapest of the so-called "major2 parties - will gain some seats but nowhere near the number they are expecting - if anything they will, at most get about 10 seats I expect a hung parliament in which Labour and LibDems will form a coalition! If UKIP formed a coalition with The Conservatives then we would end up like The Netherlands with General elections every few months because of lack of movement between the parties to form a coalition - LibDems will be thee keystone, again, to any coalition, as Farage has already said he will not work with any of the Big 3 parties to form a coalition!!! Lets not forget that its not the number of votes a party gets but the number of seats they win! UKIP will probably gain more votes that the LibDems but end up with less than half the number of seats as LibDems! As an idea, lets see what you think and lets see what the outcome actually is to see who is best at reading the political climate - a bit like fantasy football!!! (I have already stated my thoughts above, so what are yours) The Righteous One
  • Score: -45

3:51pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Righteous one, what is your solution,

Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less??

Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite!

I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.
He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.
Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!!

Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something!
Perhaps im on a zero hours contract that the department for workers rights at the EU enforced for my protection eh!
They haven't enforced the Zero Hours contract!

Zero Hours contract are used all over the world and not just in the EU so how you can blame businesses for not doing their bit on the EU is just utterly pathetic!!!!

If you have a problem with Zero Hours contracts then take it up with your employer who introduced it into their workplace and NOT the EU!!! As it is more than 60% of people on Zero Hours Contracts are actually very happy to be on them and suits them down to the ground - are you no begrudging these working people from wanting a contract that suits their lifestyle?

I am not a fan of Zero Hour Contracts but at least I don't blame the wrong people for their introduction, like you!!! If anything they ought to be outlawed and there is only one place that can outlaw them, at this moment in time and that is Westminster, and NOT Brussels!!!
Thought their job was to protect us with things like hours worked or have i got it wrong perhaps? : )
Just another waste of tax payers money to some of the 42. 000 pen pushers in Brussels who do nothing but push paper around and have paid for parties on the 3rd floor wearing afro wigs.
So you want Brussels to outlaw a ccontract and then when Brussels outlaws it you then have a go at Brussels pushing their nose into UK's business when they shouldn't!!

The EU protection is for the maximum number of hours, there is no minimum number of hours - how can there be when some people can only do the odd hour here and there because of either family commitments or studies!

So are you suggesting that there should be a number of minimum number of hours to be worked each week, thus forcing some people to ether give up work or give up other commitments?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Righteous one, what is your solution, Is it to keep the Status Quo and every year pay out more and get less?? Or do you think that what is needed is a KUTA in regard to the ruling elite! I would like to hear you opinion but please do not flood the page with quotes or statistics from the internet, its an opinion I would like not a regurgitation.[/p][/quote]He has no solution Jim he does not vote & is only good for telling everyone what we are all doing wrong.. Trolls never admit to voting for a particular party as that leaves them opened to be challenged regarding their own policy,s.[/p][/quote]Bit funny that as I responded to his question ONE minute before lambasted me - actually unlike you workshy persons I have/love to work, which takes me away from this website every now and again and so, unlike you, not sat in front off it day and night!!! Trolls are the ones who make trouble - Funnily enough the quite opposite to me as all I do is show the FULL picture, give and EVEN and UBIASED opinion and let other people decide what to do rather than forcing people to say something![/p][/quote]Perhaps im on a zero hours contract that the department for workers rights at the EU enforced for my protection eh![/p][/quote]They haven't enforced the Zero Hours contract! Zero Hours contract are used all over the world and not just in the EU so how you can blame businesses for not doing their bit on the EU is just utterly pathetic!!!! If you have a problem with Zero Hours contracts then take it up with your employer who introduced it into their workplace and NOT the EU!!! As it is more than 60% of people on Zero Hours Contracts are actually very happy to be on them and suits them down to the ground - are you no begrudging these working people from wanting a contract that suits their lifestyle? I am not a fan of Zero Hour Contracts but at least I don't blame the wrong people for their introduction, like you!!! If anything they ought to be outlawed and there is only one place that can outlaw them, at this moment in time and that is Westminster, and NOT Brussels!!![/p][/quote]Thought their job was to protect us with things like hours worked or have i got it wrong perhaps? : ) Just another waste of tax payers money to some of the 42. 000 pen pushers in Brussels who do nothing but push paper around and have paid for parties on the 3rd floor wearing afro wigs.[/p][/quote]So you want Brussels to outlaw a ccontract and then when Brussels outlaws it you then have a go at Brussels pushing their nose into UK's business when they shouldn't!! The EU protection is for the maximum number of hours, there is no minimum number of hours - how can there be when some people can only do the odd hour here and there because of either family commitments or studies! So are you suggesting that there should be a number of minimum number of hours to be worked each week, thus forcing some people to ether give up work or give up other commitments? The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

3:59pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!!

Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday:
"The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%.

It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate."

And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT
"The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown.

The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter.

Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year.

One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"."

Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)
Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.
Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!!

I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!!


The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!!

All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )[/p][/quote]But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!! Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday: "The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%. It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate." And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT "The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown. The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter. Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year. One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"." Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)[/p][/quote]Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.[/p][/quote]Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!! I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!! The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!! All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent! The Righteous One
  • Score: -45

4:05pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

UK National Debt is currently standing at just under £1.3Trillion and it is currently growing at a rate of £4,500/second!!!!

So the UK economy may be growing but the financial situation is getting worse and, according to Gideon Osborne, will be growing worse until at least mid-2017 before the National Debt start to go the other way!!!! Strange considering Ireland had a surplus in their last budget and even Greece are now issuing long-tern 5year and 10 year bonds onto the financial market again!!!!
UK National Debt is currently standing at just under £1.3Trillion and it is currently growing at a rate of £4,500/second!!!! So the UK economy may be growing but the financial situation is getting worse and, according to Gideon Osborne, will be growing worse until at least mid-2017 before the National Debt start to go the other way!!!! Strange considering Ireland had a surplus in their last budget and even Greece are now issuing long-tern 5year and 10 year bonds onto the financial market again!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

4:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United.

Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004.

We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.
Professional people?

Banker - who helped to create the worlds worst recession (Farage) and then send his own money overseas to avoid taxation!
Lords - who ant to protect their money from being taken as taxation by teaming up with a Banker!

Fact is the hierarchy of UKIP are just as corrupt and bad as the other major parties and the reality is they are doing the same as the other parties - " do as we say and not as we do" attitude!

Farage has already announced a cut in the high tax band and lowering the amount someone can earn before being taxed (when it has just risen to £10,000) - so basically he is looking after his pals in the city and screwing the poor - sound familiar?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United. Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004. We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.[/p][/quote]Professional people? Banker - who helped to create the worlds worst recession (Farage) and then send his own money overseas to avoid taxation! Lords - who ant to protect their money from being taken as taxation by teaming up with a Banker! Fact is the hierarchy of UKIP are just as corrupt and bad as the other major parties and the reality is they are doing the same as the other parties - " do as we say and not as we do" attitude! Farage has already announced a cut in the high tax band and lowering the amount someone can earn before being taxed (when it has just risen to £10,000) - so basically he is looking after his pals in the city and screwing the poor - sound familiar? The Righteous One
  • Score: -27

4:17pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Whilst Paul Nuttal has stated on The Sunday Politics, just before the Christmas break that I UKIP got into power they would not create an incentive to freeze Council tax but would leave it up to the various councils as to whether it should be raised or not - could you imagine if our current Labour councillors were given that attitude - how much would it go up by??? He also stated that UKIP with remove a lot of the workers protection once we leave the EU, in order to help businesses!!!!

Again a sign that UKIP will be hurting the majority whilst helping the minority!!! Yikes the removal of minimum wage, guaranteed annual leave, special leave, paternity leave and maternity leave - how many more families would end up below the international poverty line???
Whilst Paul Nuttal has stated on The Sunday Politics, just before the Christmas break that I UKIP got into power they would not create an incentive to freeze Council tax but would leave it up to the various councils as to whether it should be raised or not - could you imagine if our current Labour councillors were given that attitude - how much would it go up by??? He also stated that UKIP with remove a lot of the workers protection once we leave the EU, in order to help businesses!!!! Again a sign that UKIP will be hurting the majority whilst helping the minority!!! Yikes the removal of minimum wage, guaranteed annual leave, special leave, paternity leave and maternity leave - how many more families would end up below the international poverty line??? The Righteous One
  • Score: -50

4:19pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Whilst Paul Nuttal has stated on The Sunday Politics, just before the Christmas break that I UKIP got into power they would not create an incentive to freeze Council tax but would leave it up to the various councils as to whether it should be raised or not - could you imagine if our current Labour councillors were given that attitude - how much would it go up by??? He also stated that UKIP with remove a lot of the workers protection once we leave the EU, in order to help businesses!!!!

Again a sign that UKIP will be hurting the majority whilst helping the minority!!! Yikes the removal of minimum wage, guaranteed annual leave, special leave, paternity leave and maternity leave - how many more families would end up below the international poverty line???
This is compete rubbish show me the link with all this info on please. Now yr clutching at straws.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Whilst Paul Nuttal has stated on The Sunday Politics, just before the Christmas break that I UKIP got into power they would not create an incentive to freeze Council tax but would leave it up to the various councils as to whether it should be raised or not - could you imagine if our current Labour councillors were given that attitude - how much would it go up by??? He also stated that UKIP with remove a lot of the workers protection once we leave the EU, in order to help businesses!!!! Again a sign that UKIP will be hurting the majority whilst helping the minority!!! Yikes the removal of minimum wage, guaranteed annual leave, special leave, paternity leave and maternity leave - how many more families would end up below the international poverty line???[/p][/quote]This is compete rubbish show me the link with all this info on please. Now yr clutching at straws. thomas222
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United.

Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004.

We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.
Professional people?

Banker - who helped to create the worlds worst recession (Farage) and then send his own money overseas to avoid taxation!
Lords - who ant to protect their money from being taken as taxation by teaming up with a Banker!

Fact is the hierarchy of UKIP are just as corrupt and bad as the other major parties and the reality is they are doing the same as the other parties - " do as we say and not as we do" attitude!

Farage has already announced a cut in the high tax band and lowering the amount someone can earn before being taxed (when it has just risen to £10,000) - so basically he is looking after his pals in the city and screwing the poor - sound familiar?
More left wing lies. Farage was a stock broker ( buying & selling metals) and not money its a very important job for this Country & nothing to do with banking & may we see the link where he has moved money personally & is it Illegal to do so as many do it seems. Your arguments are desending into a Clegg like lying rant my friend.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United. Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004. We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.[/p][/quote]Professional people? Banker - who helped to create the worlds worst recession (Farage) and then send his own money overseas to avoid taxation! Lords - who ant to protect their money from being taken as taxation by teaming up with a Banker! Fact is the hierarchy of UKIP are just as corrupt and bad as the other major parties and the reality is they are doing the same as the other parties - " do as we say and not as we do" attitude! Farage has already announced a cut in the high tax band and lowering the amount someone can earn before being taxed (when it has just risen to £10,000) - so basically he is looking after his pals in the city and screwing the poor - sound familiar?[/p][/quote]More left wing lies. Farage was a stock broker ( buying & selling metals) and not money its a very important job for this Country & nothing to do with banking & may we see the link where he has moved money personally & is it Illegal to do so as many do it seems. Your arguments are desending into a Clegg like lying rant my friend. thomas222
  • Score: -1

4:41pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!!

Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday:
"The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%.

It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate."

And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT
"The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown.

The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter.

Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year.

One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"."

Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)
Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.
Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!!

I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!!


The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!!

All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent!
Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP.
UK is the 6th largest economy in the world.
UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe.
UK is second largest exporter of services in the world.
UK is worlds number one international finance center.
UK has full membership to the WTO.
Who needs who.

Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )[/p][/quote]But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!! Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday: "The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%. It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate." And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT "The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown. The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter. Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year. One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"." Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)[/p][/quote]Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.[/p][/quote]Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!! I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!! The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!! All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent![/p][/quote]Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP. UK is the 6th largest economy in the world. UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe. UK is second largest exporter of services in the world. UK is worlds number one international finance center. UK has full membership to the WTO. Who needs who. Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none. thomas222
  • Score: -2

4:45pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Whilst Paul Nuttal has stated on The Sunday Politics, just before the Christmas break that I UKIP got into power they would not create an incentive to freeze Council tax but would leave it up to the various councils as to whether it should be raised or not - could you imagine if our current Labour councillors were given that attitude - how much would it go up by??? He also stated that UKIP with remove a lot of the workers protection once we leave the EU, in order to help businesses!!!!

Again a sign that UKIP will be hurting the majority whilst helping the minority!!! Yikes the removal of minimum wage, guaranteed annual leave, special leave, paternity leave and maternity leave - how many more families would end up below the international poverty line???
This is compete rubbish show me the link with all this info on please. Now yr clutching at straws.
As already stated - THE SUNDAY POLITICS - BBC1 just before the Christmas break!!!

I still have it on hard-disk if you want to view it!

How can there be a link when it is from a television programme!!!

It is not clutching at straws but actual fact and as I say I have it on hard-disk if you want to view it!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Whilst Paul Nuttal has stated on The Sunday Politics, just before the Christmas break that I UKIP got into power they would not create an incentive to freeze Council tax but would leave it up to the various councils as to whether it should be raised or not - could you imagine if our current Labour councillors were given that attitude - how much would it go up by??? He also stated that UKIP with remove a lot of the workers protection once we leave the EU, in order to help businesses!!!! Again a sign that UKIP will be hurting the majority whilst helping the minority!!! Yikes the removal of minimum wage, guaranteed annual leave, special leave, paternity leave and maternity leave - how many more families would end up below the international poverty line???[/p][/quote]This is compete rubbish show me the link with all this info on please. Now yr clutching at straws.[/p][/quote]As already stated - THE SUNDAY POLITICS - BBC1 just before the Christmas break!!! I still have it on hard-disk if you want to view it! How can there be a link when it is from a television programme!!! It is not clutching at straws but actual fact and as I say I have it on hard-disk if you want to view it! The Righteous One
  • Score: -50

4:59pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!!

Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday:
"The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%.

It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate."

And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT
"The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown.

The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter.

Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year.

One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"."

Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)
Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.
Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!!

I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!!


The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!!

All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent!
Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP.
UK is the 6th largest economy in the world.
UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe.
UK is second largest exporter of services in the world.
UK is worlds number one international finance center.
UK has full membership to the WTO.
Who needs who.

Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.
Again you have NOT quoted a source or link - why? Frightened that you could be caught out in not giving accurate information?

But here it comes....

Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world whilst France is the 5th largest in the world - (Oppenheim Asset Management) - both are part of the EU!!! So outside the EU they would beat us quite easily!!!!

Germany is the largest economy in Europe - again in no EU then we would be wiped off the floor by our European counterpart!

UK is not the number 1 finance centre in the world - that is actually US, followed by Germany then UK then Switzerland. UK finance centre deals with more EUR trades than any other finance centre in the world - so if we pull out then that market moves to Frankfurt, to be closer to the ECB as we will be totally independent of the EU and as such many jobs will be lost due to the shift!! Banks have already stated that they will move if we come out of the EU, and some such as BoA, BNYM, Deutsche, State Street have already started the process of moving to Frankfurt and closing the UK desks down!!!

All of the EU countries also have full membership of the WTO just as much as China, US, and all other major trade countries in the word, including Malaysia and Thailand!!!

Number 1 traded currency in the world is USD
Number 2 traded currency in the world is EUR
number 3 traded currency in the world is JPY
number 4 traded currency in the world is CNY
number 5 traded currency in the world is CAD and GBP!!!

(all stats from Oppenhiem Asset Management, Blackrock Asset Management, Rowan Moor Pensions, BNYM Portal, iFX, Thomson Reuters and even State Street)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )[/p][/quote]But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!! Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday: "The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%. It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate." And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT "The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown. The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter. Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year. One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"." Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)[/p][/quote]Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.[/p][/quote]Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!! I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!! The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!! All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent![/p][/quote]Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP. UK is the 6th largest economy in the world. UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe. UK is second largest exporter of services in the world. UK is worlds number one international finance center. UK has full membership to the WTO. Who needs who. Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.[/p][/quote]Again you have NOT quoted a source or link - why? Frightened that you could be caught out in not giving accurate information? But here it comes.... Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world whilst France is the 5th largest in the world - (Oppenheim Asset Management) - both are part of the EU!!! So outside the EU they would beat us quite easily!!!! Germany is the largest economy in Europe - again in no EU then we would be wiped off the floor by our European counterpart! UK is not the number 1 finance centre in the world - that is actually US, followed by Germany then UK then Switzerland. UK finance centre deals with more EUR trades than any other finance centre in the world - so if we pull out then that market moves to Frankfurt, to be closer to the ECB as we will be totally independent of the EU and as such many jobs will be lost due to the shift!! Banks have already stated that they will move if we come out of the EU, and some such as BoA, BNYM, Deutsche, State Street have already started the process of moving to Frankfurt and closing the UK desks down!!! All of the EU countries also have full membership of the WTO just as much as China, US, and all other major trade countries in the word, including Malaysia and Thailand!!! Number 1 traded currency in the world is USD Number 2 traded currency in the world is EUR number 3 traded currency in the world is JPY number 4 traded currency in the world is CNY number 5 traded currency in the world is CAD and GBP!!! (all stats from Oppenhiem Asset Management, Blackrock Asset Management, Rowan Moor Pensions, BNYM Portal, iFX, Thomson Reuters and even State Street) The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

5:02pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!!

Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday:
"The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%.

It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate."

And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT
"The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown.

The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter.

Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year.

One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"."

Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)
Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.
Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!!

I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!!


The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!!

All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent!
Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP.
UK is the 6th largest economy in the world.
UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe.
UK is second largest exporter of services in the world.
UK is worlds number one international finance center.
UK has full membership to the WTO.
Who needs who.

Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.
Again you have NOT quoted a source or link - why? Frightened that you could be caught out in not giving accurate information?

But here it comes....

Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world whilst France is the 5th largest in the world - (Oppenheim Asset Management) - both are part of the EU!!! So outside the EU they would beat us quite easily!!!!

Germany is the largest economy in Europe - again in no EU then we would be wiped off the floor by our European counterpart!

UK is not the number 1 finance centre in the world - that is actually US, followed by Germany then UK then Switzerland. UK finance centre deals with more EUR trades than any other finance centre in the world - so if we pull out then that market moves to Frankfurt, to be closer to the ECB as we will be totally independent of the EU and as such many jobs will be lost due to the shift!! Banks have already stated that they will move if we come out of the EU, and some such as BoA, BNYM, Deutsche, State Street have already started the process of moving to Frankfurt and closing the UK desks down!!!

All of the EU countries also have full membership of the WTO just as much as China, US, and all other major trade countries in the word, including Malaysia and Thailand!!!

Number 1 traded currency in the world is USD
Number 2 traded currency in the world is EUR
number 3 traded currency in the world is JPY
number 4 traded currency in the world is CNY
number 5 traded currency in the world is CAD and GBP!!!

(all stats from Oppenhiem Asset Management, Blackrock Asset Management, Rowan Moor Pensions, BNYM Portal, iFX, Thomson Reuters and even State Street)
As for your question - that is easy enough as I do have a business that trades in The Netherlands and shares in a Master-Franchise of Nandos, again, in The Netherlands!!!

So I do actually know what I am talking about!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )[/p][/quote]But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!! Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday: "The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%. It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate." And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT "The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown. The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter. Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year. One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"." Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)[/p][/quote]Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.[/p][/quote]Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!! I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!! The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!! All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent![/p][/quote]Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP. UK is the 6th largest economy in the world. UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe. UK is second largest exporter of services in the world. UK is worlds number one international finance center. UK has full membership to the WTO. Who needs who. Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.[/p][/quote]Again you have NOT quoted a source or link - why? Frightened that you could be caught out in not giving accurate information? But here it comes.... Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world whilst France is the 5th largest in the world - (Oppenheim Asset Management) - both are part of the EU!!! So outside the EU they would beat us quite easily!!!! Germany is the largest economy in Europe - again in no EU then we would be wiped off the floor by our European counterpart! UK is not the number 1 finance centre in the world - that is actually US, followed by Germany then UK then Switzerland. UK finance centre deals with more EUR trades than any other finance centre in the world - so if we pull out then that market moves to Frankfurt, to be closer to the ECB as we will be totally independent of the EU and as such many jobs will be lost due to the shift!! Banks have already stated that they will move if we come out of the EU, and some such as BoA, BNYM, Deutsche, State Street have already started the process of moving to Frankfurt and closing the UK desks down!!! All of the EU countries also have full membership of the WTO just as much as China, US, and all other major trade countries in the word, including Malaysia and Thailand!!! Number 1 traded currency in the world is USD Number 2 traded currency in the world is EUR number 3 traded currency in the world is JPY number 4 traded currency in the world is CNY number 5 traded currency in the world is CAD and GBP!!! (all stats from Oppenhiem Asset Management, Blackrock Asset Management, Rowan Moor Pensions, BNYM Portal, iFX, Thomson Reuters and even State Street)[/p][/quote]As for your question - that is easy enough as I do have a business that trades in The Netherlands and shares in a Master-Franchise of Nandos, again, in The Netherlands!!! So I do actually know what I am talking about! The Righteous One
  • Score: -57

5:03pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!!

Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday:
"The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%.

It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate."

And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT
"The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown.

The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter.

Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year.

One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"."

Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)
Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.
Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!!

I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!!


The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!!

All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent!
Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP.
UK is the 6th largest economy in the world.
UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe.
UK is second largest exporter of services in the world.
UK is worlds number one international finance center.
UK has full membership to the WTO.
Who needs who.

Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.
Again you have NOT quoted a source or link - why? Frightened that you could be caught out in not giving accurate information?

But here it comes....

Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world whilst France is the 5th largest in the world - (Oppenheim Asset Management) - both are part of the EU!!! So outside the EU they would beat us quite easily!!!!

Germany is the largest economy in Europe - again in no EU then we would be wiped off the floor by our European counterpart!

UK is not the number 1 finance centre in the world - that is actually US, followed by Germany then UK then Switzerland. UK finance centre deals with more EUR trades than any other finance centre in the world - so if we pull out then that market moves to Frankfurt, to be closer to the ECB as we will be totally independent of the EU and as such many jobs will be lost due to the shift!! Banks have already stated that they will move if we come out of the EU, and some such as BoA, BNYM, Deutsche, State Street have already started the process of moving to Frankfurt and closing the UK desks down!!!

All of the EU countries also have full membership of the WTO just as much as China, US, and all other major trade countries in the word, including Malaysia and Thailand!!!

Number 1 traded currency in the world is USD
Number 2 traded currency in the world is EUR
number 3 traded currency in the world is JPY
number 4 traded currency in the world is CNY
number 5 traded currency in the world is CAD and GBP!!!

(all stats from Oppenhiem Asset Management, Blackrock Asset Management, Rowan Moor Pensions, BNYM Portal, iFX, Thomson Reuters and even State Street)
Look at the book... out of the eu into the world i have told you where to get it for your links.. im not yr office girl.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )[/p][/quote]But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!! Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday: "The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%. It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate." And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT "The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown. The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter. Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year. One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"." Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)[/p][/quote]Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.[/p][/quote]Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!! I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!! The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!! All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent![/p][/quote]Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP. UK is the 6th largest economy in the world. UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe. UK is second largest exporter of services in the world. UK is worlds number one international finance center. UK has full membership to the WTO. Who needs who. Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.[/p][/quote]Again you have NOT quoted a source or link - why? Frightened that you could be caught out in not giving accurate information? But here it comes.... Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world whilst France is the 5th largest in the world - (Oppenheim Asset Management) - both are part of the EU!!! So outside the EU they would beat us quite easily!!!! Germany is the largest economy in Europe - again in no EU then we would be wiped off the floor by our European counterpart! UK is not the number 1 finance centre in the world - that is actually US, followed by Germany then UK then Switzerland. UK finance centre deals with more EUR trades than any other finance centre in the world - so if we pull out then that market moves to Frankfurt, to be closer to the ECB as we will be totally independent of the EU and as such many jobs will be lost due to the shift!! Banks have already stated that they will move if we come out of the EU, and some such as BoA, BNYM, Deutsche, State Street have already started the process of moving to Frankfurt and closing the UK desks down!!! All of the EU countries also have full membership of the WTO just as much as China, US, and all other major trade countries in the word, including Malaysia and Thailand!!! Number 1 traded currency in the world is USD Number 2 traded currency in the world is EUR number 3 traded currency in the world is JPY number 4 traded currency in the world is CNY number 5 traded currency in the world is CAD and GBP!!! (all stats from Oppenhiem Asset Management, Blackrock Asset Management, Rowan Moor Pensions, BNYM Portal, iFX, Thomson Reuters and even State Street)[/p][/quote]Look at the book... out of the eu into the world i have told you where to get it for your links.. im not yr office girl. thomas222
  • Score: -1

5:16pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Stockbroker:
In the UK, brokers are required to pass the XII Chartered Institute for Securities & Investment Certificate in Securities, this qualification is achieved by passing two exams: Unit 1: FBI Financial regulations or Unit 10 Principles of Financial Regulation for MiFID compliant retail trading, and
Unit 2: Securities Unit 3: Derivatives or
Unit 4: for both Securities and Derivatives. Passing Unit 10 or Unit 52 identifies individuals as having attained FCA Approved Person Status.

All the above are Banking qualifications!!!

Therefore a stockbroker is a Banker!!!

As for Nigel Farage he joined Natexis Matels, an Asset Management company (aka a Bank!)
Guess what - Natexis Matels was part of a French banking Group before it was closed - Natixis is a French corporate and investment bank created in November 2006 from the merger of the asset management and investment banking operations of Natexis Banque Populaire (Banque Populaire group) and IXIS (Groupe Caisse d'Epargne).
Stockbroker: In the UK, brokers are required to pass the XII Chartered Institute for Securities & Investment Certificate in Securities, this qualification is achieved by passing two exams: Unit 1: FBI Financial regulations or Unit 10 Principles of Financial Regulation for MiFID compliant retail trading, and Unit 2: Securities Unit 3: Derivatives or Unit 4: for both Securities and Derivatives. Passing Unit 10 or Unit 52 identifies individuals as having attained FCA Approved Person Status. All the above are Banking qualifications!!! Therefore a stockbroker is a Banker!!! As for Nigel Farage he joined Natexis Matels, an Asset Management company (aka a Bank!) Guess what - Natexis Matels was part of a French banking Group before it was closed - Natixis is a French corporate and investment bank created in November 2006 from the merger of the asset management and investment banking operations of Natexis Banque Populaire (Banque Populaire group) and IXIS (Groupe Caisse d'Epargne). The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

5:20pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )
But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!!

Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday:
"The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%.

It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate."

And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT
"The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown.

The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter.

Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year.

One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"."

Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)
Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.
Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!!

I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!!


The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!!

All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent!
Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP.
UK is the 6th largest economy in the world.
UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe.
UK is second largest exporter of services in the world.
UK is worlds number one international finance center.
UK has full membership to the WTO.
Who needs who.

Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.
Again you have NOT quoted a source or link - why? Frightened that you could be caught out in not giving accurate information?

But here it comes....

Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world whilst France is the 5th largest in the world - (Oppenheim Asset Management) - both are part of the EU!!! So outside the EU they would beat us quite easily!!!!

Germany is the largest economy in Europe - again in no EU then we would be wiped off the floor by our European counterpart!

UK is not the number 1 finance centre in the world - that is actually US, followed by Germany then UK then Switzerland. UK finance centre deals with more EUR trades than any other finance centre in the world - so if we pull out then that market moves to Frankfurt, to be closer to the ECB as we will be totally independent of the EU and as such many jobs will be lost due to the shift!! Banks have already stated that they will move if we come out of the EU, and some such as BoA, BNYM, Deutsche, State Street have already started the process of moving to Frankfurt and closing the UK desks down!!!

All of the EU countries also have full membership of the WTO just as much as China, US, and all other major trade countries in the word, including Malaysia and Thailand!!!

Number 1 traded currency in the world is USD
Number 2 traded currency in the world is EUR
number 3 traded currency in the world is JPY
number 4 traded currency in the world is CNY
number 5 traded currency in the world is CAD and GBP!!!

(all stats from Oppenhiem Asset Management, Blackrock Asset Management, Rowan Moor Pensions, BNYM Portal, iFX, Thomson Reuters and even State Street)
Look at the book... out of the eu into the world i have told you where to get it for your links.. im not yr office girl.
Why should I read a book that has been compiled by a UKIP member (who is a Lord and never worked in his life) who only has UKIP philosophy at its heart. In other words it is biased against the EU and not an evenly unbiased piece of reporting!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]Did you miss the 10% bit ? : )[/p][/quote]But where is the majority of the work output going? - Yes in to Europe, so if we pull out it becomes more expensive to send into EU due to various taxations to import into the EU and as such those companies within the EU will cancel contracts and look elsewhere who are cheaper - probably within the EU such as Germany who have a lower unemployment rate and higher efficiency rate!!! Plus you have got your figures wrong - this is taken from the FT only yesterday: "The UK's economy grew by 1.7% last year, official figures show, less than the previous estimate of 1.8%. It is the second time the estimate for GDP growth in 2013 has been cut, after an initial estimate of 1.9%. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed that the UK economy grew by 0.7% in the final quarter of 2013, unchanged from its previous estimate." And then there is this report, again from yesterday's FT "The UK's current account deficit was larger than expected in the final quarter of last year, official figures have shown. The deficit in the three months to December was £22.4bn, only marginally lower than the all-time high of £22.8bn recorded in the previous quarter. Economists had expected the UK's deficit to narrow to about £14bn in the final three months of the year. One analyst described the deficit as "worryingly large"." Now you tell me would we survive outside the EU by ourselves - Our economy is already beyond bankruptcy as the National Debt is over 110% of the GDP and has been since 1976 plus our credit rating is lower than Germany , France, The Netherlands who all have a "AAA" with a positive outlook whilst UK's credit rating is "AA+" with a negative outlook (these rating are the mean average taken from S&P, Moody's and Fitch). If went alone and the UK ended up if complete dire financial trouble (which we are only one step away from) then who is going to help apart from the World Bank which only has limited funds or the IMF, which would require an overall majority to help (which wouldn't be forthcoming due to our exit from the EU and some IMF countries wanting to show their annoyance!)[/p][/quote]Your rants are mental tbh..... face the facts 10%.. Would you open up a shop selling goods in a area that is booming & growing financially or a area in a state of decline. Its not rocket science really. Thats what we are doing being a part of the failing EU.[/p][/quote]Ok where did you get the 10% from? - In other words please provide the link to which you found that statistic. If I can provide links then surely you can, especially with that remarkable improvement in the British economy, especially as UK hasn't grown that fast since the mid-18th Century and only other country to grow that fast recently was China a couple of years ago and they are now only growing by 2.6% of the DGP!!!! I have checked all over the net and cannot find any reference to the UK GDP growing by 10%!!! The IMF have said it is growing by 2.9%, whilst is slightly ahead of Germany and USA which are growing by 2.8 and 2.7% respectively Closely followed by The Netherlands at 2.65% and France by 2.63% - so out of the top 5 countries, 4 of them are actually within the EU!!! All stats provided by the IMF website and FT and The Independent![/p][/quote]Please read it again. I said that 10% was what we exported to the whole of the EU. ...... 10% of our GDP. UK is the 6th largest economy in the world. UK is 2nd largest economy in Europe. UK is second largest exporter of services in the world. UK is worlds number one international finance center. UK has full membership to the WTO. Who needs who. Where would you open a new shop to trade or is that a closing question you have no sensible reply to as there is none.[/p][/quote]Again you have NOT quoted a source or link - why? Frightened that you could be caught out in not giving accurate information? But here it comes.... Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world whilst France is the 5th largest in the world - (Oppenheim Asset Management) - both are part of the EU!!! So outside the EU they would beat us quite easily!!!! Germany is the largest economy in Europe - again in no EU then we would be wiped off the floor by our European counterpart! UK is not the number 1 finance centre in the world - that is actually US, followed by Germany then UK then Switzerland. UK finance centre deals with more EUR trades than any other finance centre in the world - so if we pull out then that market moves to Frankfurt, to be closer to the ECB as we will be totally independent of the EU and as such many jobs will be lost due to the shift!! Banks have already stated that they will move if we come out of the EU, and some such as BoA, BNYM, Deutsche, State Street have already started the process of moving to Frankfurt and closing the UK desks down!!! All of the EU countries also have full membership of the WTO just as much as China, US, and all other major trade countries in the word, including Malaysia and Thailand!!! Number 1 traded currency in the world is USD Number 2 traded currency in the world is EUR number 3 traded currency in the world is JPY number 4 traded currency in the world is CNY number 5 traded currency in the world is CAD and GBP!!! (all stats from Oppenhiem Asset Management, Blackrock Asset Management, Rowan Moor Pensions, BNYM Portal, iFX, Thomson Reuters and even State Street)[/p][/quote]Look at the book... out of the eu into the world i have told you where to get it for your links.. im not yr office girl.[/p][/quote]Why should I read a book that has been compiled by a UKIP member (who is a Lord and never worked in his life) who only has UKIP philosophy at its heart. In other words it is biased against the EU and not an evenly unbiased piece of reporting!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -55

5:21pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim?

Seems a bit fishy, that!
Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim? Seems a bit fishy, that! The Righteous One
  • Score: -55

5:30pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Niccii says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim?

Seems a bit fishy, that!
You do realise, you're boring?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim? Seems a bit fishy, that![/p][/quote]You do realise, you're boring? Niccii
  • Score: 2

5:43pm Wed 9 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

Have you ever known a councillor or member of parliament working properly for the people of this country or telling the truth no matter what the political nature?
They are all a bunch of crooks especially this labour controlled council we have at the moment with Cliff Morris Dancer at the helm.
I do believe the council tax rise however was for other means and nobody will convince me otherwise.
Have you ever known a councillor or member of parliament working properly for the people of this country or telling the truth no matter what the political nature? They are all a bunch of crooks especially this labour controlled council we have at the moment with Cliff Morris Dancer at the helm. I do believe the council tax rise however was for other means and nobody will convince me otherwise. holloway_david
  • Score: 2

6:40pm Wed 9 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

holloway_david wrote:
Have you ever known a councillor or member of parliament working properly for the people of this country or telling the truth no matter what the political nature?
They are all a bunch of crooks especially this labour controlled council we have at the moment with Cliff Morris Dancer at the helm.
I do believe the council tax rise however was for other means and nobody will convince me otherwise.
Ps." Rise for other means" is other than saving services and inflation in other words hiding behind the truth. what they really wanted it for.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: Have you ever known a councillor or member of parliament working properly for the people of this country or telling the truth no matter what the political nature? They are all a bunch of crooks especially this labour controlled council we have at the moment with Cliff Morris Dancer at the helm. I do believe the council tax rise however was for other means and nobody will convince me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Ps." Rise for other means" is other than saving services and inflation in other words hiding behind the truth. what they really wanted it for. holloway_david
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Blackhole LMFAO
Blackhole LMFAO Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 1

9:53pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Citizen Cane says...

The lazy council employees should be covering their own pensions out of their own pockets and not expecting private sector workers without such gold plated arrangements to do it.

Finally the BN has the guts to get some proper reporting done.
The lazy council employees should be covering their own pensions out of their own pockets and not expecting private sector workers without such gold plated arrangements to do it. Finally the BN has the guts to get some proper reporting done. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 0

10:11pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Niccii wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim?

Seems a bit fishy, that!
You do realise, you're boring?
But that is the problem with the truth and the basic accurate facts - they are boring!!!

Anyone can lie and build up a frenzy without accurate facts or proof of what they are saying, but the hardest thing to do is convince people of the truth, as it to bland and boring!
[quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim? Seems a bit fishy, that![/p][/quote]You do realise, you're boring?[/p][/quote]But that is the problem with the truth and the basic accurate facts - they are boring!!! Anyone can lie and build up a frenzy without accurate facts or proof of what they are saying, but the hardest thing to do is convince people of the truth, as it to bland and boring! The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

10:23pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power.

Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows.

n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.
But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!!
Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.
Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)?

Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!!
The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United.

Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004.

We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.
Professional people?

Banker - who helped to create the worlds worst recession (Farage) and then send his own money overseas to avoid taxation!
Lords - who ant to protect their money from being taken as taxation by teaming up with a Banker!

Fact is the hierarchy of UKIP are just as corrupt and bad as the other major parties and the reality is they are doing the same as the other parties - " do as we say and not as we do" attitude!

Farage has already announced a cut in the high tax band and lowering the amount someone can earn before being taxed (when it has just risen to £10,000) - so basically he is looking after his pals in the city and screwing the poor - sound familiar?
More left wing lies. Farage was a stock broker ( buying & selling metals) and not money its a very important job for this Country & nothing to do with banking & may we see the link where he has moved money personally & is it Illegal to do so as many do it seems. Your arguments are desending into a Clegg like lying rant my friend.
1. I have shown you what a stockbroker is but if you missed it, because you are too lazy to go up a few posts here it is again:

Stockbroker:
In the UK, brokers are required to pass the XII Chartered Institute for Securities & Investment Certificate in Securities, this qualification is achieved by passing two exams: Unit 1: FBI Financial regulations or Unit 10 Principles of Financial Regulation for MiFID compliant retail trading, and
Unit 2: Securities Unit 3: Derivatives or
Unit 4: for both Securities and Derivatives. Passing Unit 10 or Unit 52 identifies individuals as having attained FCA Approved Person Status.

All the above are Banking qualifications!!!

Therefore a stockbroker is a Banker!!!

As for Nigel Farage he joined Natexis Matels, an Asset Management company (aka a Bank!)
Guess what - Natexis Matels was part of a French banking Group before it was closed - Natixis is a French corporate and investment bank created in November 2006 from the merger of the asset management and investment banking operations of Natexis Banque Populaire (Banque Populaire group) and IXIS (Groupe Caisse d'Epargne).

2. As for Farage moving money abroad - he had actually admitted it himself!!! And there are plenty of links about it on the internet! But because I know you are too lazy to search for yourself here is one of those links:
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2345535/Nigel-Farage
-I-set-offshore-tax-
fund-mistake-I-used-
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(read the bottom lines where he actually owes money on the trust - which comes under Isle of Man law, and until that money is paid it cannot be closed and he only has until 2017 to pay it off!!!)

Although it is not illegal, under the current law, morally speaking he is taking money out of the country and he has accused other MEP's, MP's and Big Corporates for doing it and slamming them for doing it - therefore being very hypocritical and showing and attitude of "do as I say and not as I do!" - plus he even lied about it when registering at the EU, again shown in the report!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its because people cannot get off their behinds to vote people like this get into power. Vote UKIP it's the only effective wary to send them a message that the taxpayers of Bolton are not their personal cash cows. n.b. I am not a fan of UKIP but this appears to be the only way to get them to listen.[/p][/quote]But what happens if UKIP do nothing differently - which is what I presume they will do! Look at the areas where they do have local councillors, nothing has changed and in fact have become more non-transparent - why is that? If you look at the local councils where councillors have changed from the main parties to UKIP you will see a more truer picture than what UKIP advise! Their pensions were in jeopardy and if they toed their party line then they would have voted to have their pensions changed, so they changed parties to protect their pensions!!!![/p][/quote]Lets just carry on with what we have been getting for the last 30 yrs then shall we just in case UKIP do nothing different. Better not go out today just in case a bus knocks you down or perhaps dont go to the match just in case we lose. The games up the games changed & there is change in the air & the Westminster bubble is terrified as are all pro EU supporters. Btw did i tell you what the UK export % to the EU of our total GDP is ?. Its 10%. Makes the we will collapse if we get out of Europe lie very stupid dont you think.[/p][/quote]Thing is the bubble hasn't burst. On this website there are quite aa few loud-mouthed people who support UKIP, but in reality they are definitely in the minority. Lets put it this way if UKIP was supposedly on the majority of people's mind then why I their membership still lower than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dem membership has actually grown and not shrunk - also why has the Labour membership been the fastest, and largest growing membership out of the 4 parties (almost double that of UKIP's growth!)? Yes we need a change in Bolton but UKIP is not the answer - if anything we need a hung council then the "sole" parties cannot work for themselves and all the parties involved will have to work for the town for a change!!!![/p][/quote]The Lib Dems have proved themselves to be the bandwagon party, they sold their soul to the Tories just to get a AV vote which would have given them the power they have always craved through the back door. This has led to the Lib Dems losing support quicker than Manchester United. Hung parliments are not a solution as again we just end up with the same old same old. Labour gained support when they changed their tack and promised an era of Responsible Capitalism, which was forgotten after 2004. We need a Government run by real people, not professional politicians and accountants.[/p][/quote]Professional people? Banker - who helped to create the worlds worst recession (Farage) and then send his own money overseas to avoid taxation! Lords - who ant to protect their money from being taken as taxation by teaming up with a Banker! Fact is the hierarchy of UKIP are just as corrupt and bad as the other major parties and the reality is they are doing the same as the other parties - " do as we say and not as we do" attitude! Farage has already announced a cut in the high tax band and lowering the amount someone can earn before being taxed (when it has just risen to £10,000) - so basically he is looking after his pals in the city and screwing the poor - sound familiar?[/p][/quote]More left wing lies. Farage was a stock broker ( buying & selling metals) and not money its a very important job for this Country & nothing to do with banking & may we see the link where he has moved money personally & is it Illegal to do so as many do it seems. Your arguments are desending into a Clegg like lying rant my friend.[/p][/quote]1. I have shown you what a stockbroker is but if you missed it, because you are too lazy to go up a few posts here it is again: Stockbroker: In the UK, brokers are required to pass the XII Chartered Institute for Securities & Investment Certificate in Securities, this qualification is achieved by passing two exams: Unit 1: FBI Financial regulations or Unit 10 Principles of Financial Regulation for MiFID compliant retail trading, and Unit 2: Securities Unit 3: Derivatives or Unit 4: for both Securities and Derivatives. Passing Unit 10 or Unit 52 identifies individuals as having attained FCA Approved Person Status. All the above are Banking qualifications!!! Therefore a stockbroker is a Banker!!! As for Nigel Farage he joined Natexis Matels, an Asset Management company (aka a Bank!) Guess what - Natexis Matels was part of a French banking Group before it was closed - Natixis is a French corporate and investment bank created in November 2006 from the merger of the asset management and investment banking operations of Natexis Banque Populaire (Banque Populaire group) and IXIS (Groupe Caisse d'Epargne). 2. As for Farage moving money abroad - he had actually admitted it himself!!! And there are plenty of links about it on the internet! But because I know you are too lazy to search for yourself here is one of those links: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2345535/Nigel-Farage -I-set-offshore-tax- fund-mistake-I-used- it.html (read the bottom lines where he actually owes money on the trust - which comes under Isle of Man law, and until that money is paid it cannot be closed and he only has until 2017 to pay it off!!!) Although it is not illegal, under the current law, morally speaking he is taking money out of the country and he has accused other MEP's, MP's and Big Corporates for doing it and slamming them for doing it - therefore being very hypocritical and showing and attitude of "do as I say and not as I do!" - plus he even lied about it when registering at the EU, again shown in the report!!! The Righteous One
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11:04pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Niccii wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim?

Seems a bit fishy, that!
You do realise, you're boring?
But that is the problem with the truth and the basic accurate facts - they are boring!!!

Anyone can lie and build up a frenzy without accurate facts or proof of what they are saying, but the hardest thing to do is convince people of the truth, as it to bland and boring!
You are finished Pal.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim? Seems a bit fishy, that![/p][/quote]You do realise, you're boring?[/p][/quote]But that is the problem with the truth and the basic accurate facts - they are boring!!! Anyone can lie and build up a frenzy without accurate facts or proof of what they are saying, but the hardest thing to do is convince people of the truth, as it to bland and boring![/p][/quote]You are finished Pal. thomas222
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11:07pm Wed 9 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Niccii wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim?

Seems a bit fishy, that!
You do realise, you're boring?
But that is the problem with the truth and the basic accurate facts - they are boring!!!

Anyone can lie and build up a frenzy without accurate facts or proof of what they are saying, but the hardest thing to do is convince people of the truth, as it to bland and boring!
You are finished Pal.
Your lot are finished.. watch in May 22nd.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also Thomas, why did YOU respond to a post that was aimed at Jim? Seems a bit fishy, that![/p][/quote]You do realise, you're boring?[/p][/quote]But that is the problem with the truth and the basic accurate facts - they are boring!!! Anyone can lie and build up a frenzy without accurate facts or proof of what they are saying, but the hardest thing to do is convince people of the truth, as it to bland and boring![/p][/quote]You are finished Pal.[/p][/quote]Your lot are finished.. watch in May 22nd. thomas222
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1:39pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Sexybum123 says...

The employees are paying for their pensions you F------ idiot Kane
The employees are paying for their pensions you F------ idiot Kane Sexybum123
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4:32pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

I get a basic wage,

then a third of that the government takes straight away.

Then I have to pay to get to work,
Then I have to pay for the clothes I work in
Then I have to pay for the food whilst I eat at work
Then I have to pay for my own house
Then I have to pay for my own council tax
Then I have to pay for my own utilitles
Plus Tax on various products I may purchase

I don't have a lot left and the ministers want more of that now as well.
I get a basic wage, then a third of that the government takes straight away. Then I have to pay to get to work, Then I have to pay for the clothes I work in Then I have to pay for the food whilst I eat at work Then I have to pay for my own house Then I have to pay for my own council tax Then I have to pay for my own utilitles Plus Tax on various products I may purchase I don't have a lot left and the ministers want more of that now as well. Jim271
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