All Bolton schools should fly union flag and sing national anthem, says patriotic councillor

All Bolton schools should fly union flag and sing national anthem, says patriotic councillor

The Union flag

Cllr Mudasir Dean

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A PATRIOTIC campaign calling for Bolton schools to permanently fly the union flag and for pupils to sing the national anthem at assemblies has been launched by a councillor.

Cllr Mudasir Dean has called for the changes as he hopes it will increase pupils’ national pride.

The Bradshaw councillor said he wants to show youngsters there is nothing wrong with being patriotic.

He also wants to see schools fly the St George’s flag on April 23, the saint’s day, and the Commonwealth flag in March.

Cllr Dean said: “My grandfather came to Bolton in the 1920s from India. He lived here all his life and he was the first Asian to settle in Bolton — he was a true English gentleman and a true Boltonian.

“Throughout my teens and growing up in Bolton, I’ve seen less and less of the union flag. It’s been hijacked by the far right and it’s time we take that symbol back into mainstream British, Bolton life.

“We hear complaints from people who come to this country and don’t settle, and some of it is our own fault.

"If we were more patriotic — if we sang our national anthem and flew our flag — and instilled it in our younger generations, they would do.


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“I think it’s a win-win situation. It’s not rubbing anyone up the wrong way. It’s a symbol of all the things we are proud of as British citizens.”

He added: “I really do hope that we get all parties on this. I believe it’s a non-political motion.”

Councillors will vote on whether to approve Cllr Dean’s motion tonight at Bolton Town Hall.

Speaking yesterday Cllr Chris Peacock, a school governor at Westhoughton High and The Gates Primary, said he had not yet decided how he would vote.

But added he was concerned with the practicalities of the motion.

Cllr Peacock said: “Who will pay for these new flag poles and flags? Schools’ budgets are already stretched.

“In the already packed school day, is there time for the national anthem to be sung?

“Does Cllr Dean want this to lead to us all 'pledging allegiance to the flag' as in America?

“If Cllr Dean believes this should be the priority for our schools, then I'm worried.

“Raising the union flag won't raise standards — that should be our priority.”

The Bolton News will be blogging live from full council tonight — follow all the action online from 7pm.

  • The motion has now been passed. Read more here.

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7:20am Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

I'll vote for that, great idea.
I'll vote for that, great idea. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 68

7:47am Wed 16 Apr 14

Balboa says...

Agreed. Let's make this work.
Agreed. Let's make this work. Balboa
  • Score: 60

7:47am Wed 16 Apr 14

Rememberscarborough says...

Sounds like the sort of idea a UKIP councillor would have so this will really confuse some of our more "patriotic" members on this board...
Sounds like the sort of idea a UKIP councillor would have so this will really confuse some of our more "patriotic" members on this board... Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 23

8:11am Wed 16 Apr 14

Wolfie190 says...

Good on him for saying so though a white Englishman saying that would be out of a job by now. Many Indians are integrated, law abiding and have English friends you cant quite say the same for some sections of our communities.
Good on him for saying so though a white Englishman saying that would be out of a job by now. Many Indians are integrated, law abiding and have English friends you cant quite say the same for some sections of our communities. Wolfie190
  • Score: 80

8:19am Wed 16 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

After the independence vote I am going to make a million selling the new flag.
After the independence vote I am going to make a million selling the new flag. Jim271
  • Score: 27

8:27am Wed 16 Apr 14

marco999 says...

It is a great idea, this country is beginning to lose its identity from being swamped in political correctness. It is Great Britain we live in and a national pride in a country that once led the world should be fully encouraged.
It is a great idea, this country is beginning to lose its identity from being swamped in political correctness. It is Great Britain we live in and a national pride in a country that once led the world should be fully encouraged. marco999
  • Score: 58

8:47am Wed 16 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Its only because they are worried people are turning to UKIP to protest.

What he says and what happens are totally different things.

No doubt he will still be rubber stamping building applications for his friends despite what the local community think, prime example Hennon Street Labour Club.

Will still allow more corner shops to sell alcohol lowering the prices of the local community,

Will still allow people visiting the mosque to park any where they like disrupting the local traffic (Friday Afternoon Halliwell Road,Blackburn Road)

Will still allocate new housing project for immigrants only (Brownlow Way).
Its only because they are worried people are turning to UKIP to protest. What he says and what happens are totally different things. No doubt he will still be rubber stamping building applications for his friends despite what the local community think, prime example Hennon Street Labour Club. Will still allow more corner shops to sell alcohol lowering the prices of the local community, Will still allow people visiting the mosque to park any where they like disrupting the local traffic (Friday Afternoon Halliwell Road,Blackburn Road) Will still allocate new housing project for immigrants only (Brownlow Way). Jim271
  • Score: 15

8:47am Wed 16 Apr 14

Bilulek says...

Cllr Peacock's way of thinking is the reason why these days patriotism is absent from schools - kids don't know the anthem, no being proud to be British feelings whatsoever. The schedule at school might be already busy but I don't think two minute for singing the anthem won't do any harm to anybody. And if bringing up kids in a patriotic spirit isn't rising standards as Peacock claims then don't know what is. Great idea. Hope the rest of councillors would have guts to vote yes!!!!!
Cllr Peacock's way of thinking is the reason why these days patriotism is absent from schools - kids don't know the anthem, no being proud to be British feelings whatsoever. The schedule at school might be already busy but I don't think two minute for singing the anthem won't do any harm to anybody. And if bringing up kids in a patriotic spirit isn't rising standards as Peacock claims then don't know what is. Great idea. Hope the rest of councillors would have guts to vote yes!!!!! Bilulek
  • Score: 26

8:52am Wed 16 Apr 14

stantheman133 says...

We should always fly the flag,doesn't matter what your politics are. If your british let people know, be proud and stand up and salute the flag.
We should always fly the flag,doesn't matter what your politics are. If your british let people know, be proud and stand up and salute the flag. stantheman133
  • Score: 37

9:01am Wed 16 Apr 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

Well said Cllr. Dean. British Identity on schools, best new I've read for a long time. Lets's extend the idea all council buildings as in the USA starting with the clown hall.
The vote will be very, very interesting, hope all councillors that vote against will be named and shamed.
Well said Cllr. Dean. British Identity on schools, best new I've read for a long time. Lets's extend the idea all council buildings as in the USA starting with the clown hall. The vote will be very, very interesting, hope all councillors that vote against will be named and shamed. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 33

9:02am Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.
How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up. thomas222
  • Score: 57

9:07am Wed 16 Apr 14

atlas123 says...

What a load of old tosh...

Schools should be a seat of learning.

Get rid of religion, faith, nationalistic overtones and time wasting sessions.
What a load of old tosh... Schools should be a seat of learning. Get rid of religion, faith, nationalistic overtones and time wasting sessions. atlas123
  • Score: -75

9:14am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!!

Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!!

This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education!

Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!!

This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli
es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!!
Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!! Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!! This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education! Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!! This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -52

9:24am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.
Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria.

Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria. Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -71

9:29am Wed 16 Apr 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!!

Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!!

This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education!

Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!!

This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli

es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!!
Righteous One. Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!! Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!! This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education! Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!! This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Righteous One. Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 24

9:33am Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!!

Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!!

This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education!

Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!!

This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli

es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!!
The Union flag is the flag of Great Britain and it is inclusive of Scotland, Wales,Northern Ireland & England. The National Anthem & flag covers all these Countries as one together & it is believed to originate from plainsong or plainchant in Latin & it is attributed to John Bull in 1619.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!! Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!! This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education! Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!! This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]The Union flag is the flag of Great Britain and it is inclusive of Scotland, Wales,Northern Ireland & England. The National Anthem & flag covers all these Countries as one together & it is believed to originate from plainsong or plainchant in Latin & it is attributed to John Bull in 1619. thomas222
  • Score: 8

10:00am Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.
Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria.

Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!!
It is obvious you have a problem with this Country & don,t like it or respect it. Why don,t you get off & live in the perfect Country of your choice & once you get there denounce your UK nationality and your British passport. Don,t think you would though because that passport is the best in the world and many many people want one. Where is your perfect Country by the way.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria. Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!![/p][/quote]It is obvious you have a problem with this Country & don,t like it or respect it. Why don,t you get off & live in the perfect Country of your choice & once you get there denounce your UK nationality and your British passport. Don,t think you would though because that passport is the best in the world and many many people want one. Where is your perfect Country by the way. thomas222
  • Score: 18

10:04am Wed 16 Apr 14

Freddie09 says...

Personally I think it's a great idea. No it's not "American"- being patriotic is part of every country and culture - it's what makes each person proud of where they're from. The unfortunate situation of this country is that the pc madness has put the fear of God in to everyone and people are now terrified of showing their patriotism in case it's seen as "racist" etc. The British should fly the flag, sing the anthem and basically be proud of the country.....because let's face it - we really have got a great country! Let's stop being scared of standing up for our country, our views, our flag and our anthem!!!
Personally I think it's a great idea. No it's not "American"- being patriotic is part of every country and culture - it's what makes each person proud of where they're from. The unfortunate situation of this country is that the pc madness has put the fear of God in to everyone and people are now terrified of showing their patriotism in case it's seen as "racist" etc. The British should fly the flag, sing the anthem and basically be proud of the country.....because let's face it - we really have got a great country! Let's stop being scared of standing up for our country, our views, our flag and our anthem!!! Freddie09
  • Score: 22

10:12am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!!

Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!!

This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education!

Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!!

This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli


es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!!
The Union flag is the flag of Great Britain and it is inclusive of Scotland, Wales,Northern Ireland & England. The National Anthem & flag covers all these Countries as one together & it is believed to originate from plainsong or plainchant in Latin & it is attributed to John Bull in 1619.
But if you were Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish and you are very patriotic would you want the Union flag or your own flag.

As I am English born and bred I don't want the Union flag - I am proud to be English and want the St Georges flag flying high and proud rather than the Union flag!!!!

But saying that it is a political motive and political motives should NOT be instilled in places of education, as education is about learning not just of your surrounding area or your own country but of every world and culture and as such should be neutral in its teaching (another reason why I don't like Religious schools and they should be neural and teach about ALL religions or no religions whatsoever!)

"God Save The Queen" - The author of the tune is UNKONWN, and it MAY originate in plainchant, but a 1619 attribution to John Bull is sometimes made. Therefore it is not believed!!! It was adopted as National Anthem in 175 and the lyrics were written in 1790 by Henry Carey!!!

I hope you realise that the tune to "God Save The Queen" was also the unofficial anthem for German Empire but was the official anthem for the Prussian Empire (before it changed to the German Empire). Whilst after World War 1 it was the official anthem for the Weimar Republic!!!

Norway's National Anthem is also based on the tune of "God Save The Queen!

"My Country, 'Tis of Thee", also set to the tune of "God Save The Queen" was the song served as one of the de facto national anthems of the United States (along with songs like "Hail, Columbia") before the adoption of "The Star-Spangled Banner" as the official anthem in 1931

"The Prayer of Russians" was replaced with "God Save the Tsar" (Bozhe, tsarya khrani). The two songs both start with the same words Bozhe, tsarya khrani but differ after that. Some consider God Save the Tsar Russia's first true national anthem, as both its words and music were Russian.


***The tune of the anthem was the same as in "God Save the King", a tune which became widely adopted in Europe, FIRST as the hymn of Denmark!!!***

Therefore the tune is actually the very first pan-European anthem and as such fits in nicely with the current EU set-up!!! And as such the anthem isn't really that patriotic to either England of the UK!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!! Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!! This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education! Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!! This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]The Union flag is the flag of Great Britain and it is inclusive of Scotland, Wales,Northern Ireland & England. The National Anthem & flag covers all these Countries as one together & it is believed to originate from plainsong or plainchant in Latin & it is attributed to John Bull in 1619.[/p][/quote]But if you were Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish and you are very patriotic would you want the Union flag or your own flag. As I am English born and bred I don't want the Union flag - I am proud to be English and want the St Georges flag flying high and proud rather than the Union flag!!!! But saying that it is a political motive and political motives should NOT be instilled in places of education, as education is about learning not just of your surrounding area or your own country but of every world and culture and as such should be neutral in its teaching (another reason why I don't like Religious schools and they should be neural and teach about ALL religions or no religions whatsoever!) "God Save The Queen" - The author of the tune is UNKONWN, and it MAY originate in plainchant, but a 1619 attribution to John Bull is sometimes made. Therefore it is not believed!!! It was adopted as National Anthem in 175 and the lyrics were written in 1790 by Henry Carey!!! I hope you realise that the tune to "God Save The Queen" was also the unofficial anthem for German Empire but was the official anthem for the Prussian Empire (before it changed to the German Empire). Whilst after World War 1 it was the official anthem for the Weimar Republic!!! Norway's National Anthem is also based on the tune of "God Save The Queen! "My Country, 'Tis of Thee", also set to the tune of "God Save The Queen" was the song served as one of the de facto national anthems of the United States (along with songs like "Hail, Columbia") before the adoption of "The Star-Spangled Banner" as the official anthem in 1931 "The Prayer of Russians" was replaced with "God Save the Tsar" (Bozhe, tsarya khrani). The two songs both start with the same words Bozhe, tsarya khrani but differ after that. Some consider God Save the Tsar Russia's first true national anthem, as both its words and music were Russian. ***The tune of the anthem was the same as in "God Save the King", a tune which became widely adopted in Europe, FIRST as the hymn of Denmark!!!*** Therefore the tune is actually the very first pan-European anthem and as such fits in nicely with the current EU set-up!!! And as such the anthem isn't really that patriotic to either England of the UK!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -42

10:13am Wed 16 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

Well According To Sky News The Government Think Tank, As Said That A English Person Is A Third Class Citizen Now, So To Fly Are Flag Flying Over A Multi Racial School Could Be Considered A Little Racist, We Would After Fly Flags That Represent The Schools Other Pupils Ethnic Origins.
Well According To Sky News The Government Think Tank, As Said That A English Person Is A Third Class Citizen Now, So To Fly Are Flag Flying Over A Multi Racial School Could Be Considered A Little Racist, We Would After Fly Flags That Represent The Schools Other Pupils Ethnic Origins. Gore Seer
  • Score: -86

10:27am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.
Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria.

Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!!
It is obvious you have a problem with this Country & don,t like it or respect it. Why don,t you get off & live in the perfect Country of your choice & once you get there denounce your UK nationality and your British passport. Don,t think you would though because that passport is the best in the world and many many people want one. Where is your perfect Country by the way.
I have NO problem with this country at all.

They way you are talking it seems that you are scared of having an independent voice.


Thing is, though you are perfectly right in your assumption that I do not like being classed as a British citizen because I am ENGLISH and fed up of my taxes going to the other countries within the Union so they can have free or much cheaper university education, free prescriptions, lower council taxes and different education systems just to name a few.

Also, if you hadn't realised and you'd better check your own, but the driving licence is actually a European driving licence (as in it has UK within the Euro-stars) and the so-called British Passport as never existed!!! The old passport stated the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, whilst modern passports, which are the only ones in circulation state "EUROPEAN UNION - United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland on both the front cover and within the front cover!!! And actually the EU-UK passport, although did used to be the passport in the world, but because we have been involved in so many controversial wars, we are no lagging in 3rd place behind Switzerland, Iceland and The Netherlands!!!

Once again, I am ENGLISH and will defend my country from those who want to ruin it!

But I do not want my children to be politically indoctrinated at school. National pride comes from the family and not educators!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria. Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!![/p][/quote]It is obvious you have a problem with this Country & don,t like it or respect it. Why don,t you get off & live in the perfect Country of your choice & once you get there denounce your UK nationality and your British passport. Don,t think you would though because that passport is the best in the world and many many people want one. Where is your perfect Country by the way.[/p][/quote]I have NO problem with this country at all. They way you are talking it seems that you are scared of having an independent voice. Thing is, though you are perfectly right in your assumption that I do not like being classed as a British citizen because I am ENGLISH and fed up of my taxes going to the other countries within the Union so they can have free or much cheaper university education, free prescriptions, lower council taxes and different education systems just to name a few. Also, if you hadn't realised and you'd better check your own, but the driving licence is actually a European driving licence (as in it has UK within the Euro-stars) and the so-called British Passport as never existed!!! The old passport stated the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, whilst modern passports, which are the only ones in circulation state "EUROPEAN UNION - United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland on both the front cover and within the front cover!!! And actually the EU-UK passport, although did used to be the passport in the world, but because we have been involved in so many controversial wars, we are no lagging in 3rd place behind Switzerland, Iceland and The Netherlands!!! Once again, I am ENGLISH and will defend my country from those who want to ruin it! But I do not want my children to be politically indoctrinated at school. National pride comes from the family and not educators! The Righteous One
  • Score: -54

10:42am Wed 16 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

Cllr Mudasir Dean is more British than those who term themselves indigenous. He's campaigned before now wanting St Georges Day a National Holiday. The only reservation I have about flying the flag is how long before some campaign for the Rainbow flag to be flown too - all in the name of equality.
Cllr Mudasir Dean is more British than those who term themselves indigenous. He's campaigned before now wanting St Georges Day a National Holiday. The only reservation I have about flying the flag is how long before some campaign for the Rainbow flag to be flown too - all in the name of equality. Tim Burr
  • Score: 10

10:46am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain? The Righteous One
  • Score: -49

10:50am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!!

Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!!

This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education!

Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!!

This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli


es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!!
Righteous One. Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change.
Nothing EU about my post or is it the term UNION that you do not like?

Lets not forget that there is a UNION much older than the EU and it is the UNION of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the UNITED KINGDOM!

I am on the side of being ENGLISH in this debate and not that of a citizen of the United Kingdom (aka British)! As I am English proud first and foremost before any sort of Union!
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!! Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!! This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education! Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!! This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Righteous One. Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change.[/p][/quote]Nothing EU about my post or is it the term UNION that you do not like? Lets not forget that there is a UNION much older than the EU and it is the UNION of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the UNITED KINGDOM! I am on the side of being ENGLISH in this debate and not that of a citizen of the United Kingdom (aka British)! As I am English proud first and foremost before any sort of Union! The Righteous One
  • Score: -55

11:01am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Freddie09 wrote:
Personally I think it's a great idea. No it's not "American"- being patriotic is part of every country and culture - it's what makes each person proud of where they're from. The unfortunate situation of this country is that the pc madness has put the fear of God in to everyone and people are now terrified of showing their patriotism in case it's seen as "racist" etc. The British should fly the flag, sing the anthem and basically be proud of the country.....because let's face it - we really have got a great country! Let's stop being scared of standing up for our country, our views, our flag and our anthem!!!
Problem is it is not being patriotic doing that day in and day out, infact it would soon become mundane!!!!

Our schools have never needed to fly the flag nor sing the national anthem, even during the World Wars we never did!

There is no need to do it now, either. Patriotism comes from the heart and what is central to the heart - FAMILY!!! Therefore patriotism comes from within and not taught!

In fact indoctrinating patriotism, would be like indoctrinating religion in that it would turn many people against it!!! In a strange old way Patriotism is another form of religion because one pledges their whole to being a patriot. It like when people say that their football team is their religion!!!
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: Personally I think it's a great idea. No it's not "American"- being patriotic is part of every country and culture - it's what makes each person proud of where they're from. The unfortunate situation of this country is that the pc madness has put the fear of God in to everyone and people are now terrified of showing their patriotism in case it's seen as "racist" etc. The British should fly the flag, sing the anthem and basically be proud of the country.....because let's face it - we really have got a great country! Let's stop being scared of standing up for our country, our views, our flag and our anthem!!![/p][/quote]Problem is it is not being patriotic doing that day in and day out, infact it would soon become mundane!!!! Our schools have never needed to fly the flag nor sing the national anthem, even during the World Wars we never did! There is no need to do it now, either. Patriotism comes from the heart and what is central to the heart - FAMILY!!! Therefore patriotism comes from within and not taught! In fact indoctrinating patriotism, would be like indoctrinating religion in that it would turn many people against it!!! In a strange old way Patriotism is another form of religion because one pledges their whole to being a patriot. It like when people say that their football team is their religion!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

11:08am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Well said Cllr. Dean. British Identity on schools, best new I've read for a long time. Lets's extend the idea all council buildings as in the USA starting with the clown hall.
The vote will be very, very interesting, hope all councillors that vote against will be named and shamed.
So further down the line would you be happy to accept the Stars and Stripes as your National Flag and the Star Spangled Banner as the National anthem!!

We have taken on so much US culture in recent years and this would be the next step down the line and eventual acceptance of being the 51st State! (with our State flag being exactly the same as that of Hawaii!!!)
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Well said Cllr. Dean. British Identity on schools, best new I've read for a long time. Lets's extend the idea all council buildings as in the USA starting with the clown hall. The vote will be very, very interesting, hope all councillors that vote against will be named and shamed.[/p][/quote]So further down the line would you be happy to accept the Stars and Stripes as your National Flag and the Star Spangled Banner as the National anthem!! We have taken on so much US culture in recent years and this would be the next step down the line and eventual acceptance of being the 51st State! (with our State flag being exactly the same as that of Hawaii!!!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -45

11:10am Wed 16 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

The Self Rightous one hates the Scottish, Welsh and Irish but loves the Dutch?

Doesn't that make him a racist?
The Self Rightous one hates the Scottish, Welsh and Irish but loves the Dutch? Doesn't that make him a racist? Jim271
  • Score: 28

11:12am Wed 16 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Well said Cllr. Dean. British Identity on schools, best new I've read for a long time. Lets's extend the idea all council buildings as in the USA starting with the clown hall.
The vote will be very, very interesting, hope all councillors that vote against will be named and shamed.
So further down the line would you be happy to accept the Stars and Stripes as your National Flag and the Star Spangled Banner as the National anthem!!

We have taken on so much US culture in recent years and this would be the next step down the line and eventual acceptance of being the 51st State! (with our State flag being exactly the same as that of Hawaii!!!)
Bloomin heck your having a go at the Americans Now!!!

Don't forget to have a pop at the Hebrews whilst your on a roll.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Well said Cllr. Dean. British Identity on schools, best new I've read for a long time. Lets's extend the idea all council buildings as in the USA starting with the clown hall. The vote will be very, very interesting, hope all councillors that vote against will be named and shamed.[/p][/quote]So further down the line would you be happy to accept the Stars and Stripes as your National Flag and the Star Spangled Banner as the National anthem!! We have taken on so much US culture in recent years and this would be the next step down the line and eventual acceptance of being the 51st State! (with our State flag being exactly the same as that of Hawaii!!!)[/p][/quote]Bloomin heck your having a go at the Americans Now!!! Don't forget to have a pop at the Hebrews whilst your on a roll. Jim271
  • Score: 11

11:18am Wed 16 Apr 14

Mick England says...

Maybe they should adopt the same idea in Birmingham where the muslims have done their very best to islamify 25 schools, by bullying white school governors and parents? It's all taqiyya!
Maybe they should adopt the same idea in Birmingham where the muslims have done their very best to islamify 25 schools, by bullying white school governors and parents? It's all taqiyya! Mick England
  • Score: 12

11:19am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways!

Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!!

The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.
Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways! Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!! The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa. The Righteous One
  • Score: -60

11:21am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Mick England wrote:
Maybe they should adopt the same idea in Birmingham where the muslims have done their very best to islamify 25 schools, by bullying white school governors and parents? It's all taqiyya!
But this is being investigated with the string possibility of court action.. So it doesn't work and never will!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should adopt the same idea in Birmingham where the muslims have done their very best to islamify 25 schools, by bullying white school governors and parents? It's all taqiyya![/p][/quote]But this is being investigated with the string possibility of court action.. So it doesn't work and never will!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

11:22am Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports. thomas222
  • Score: 4

11:22am Wed 16 Apr 14

Niccii says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways!

Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!!

The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.
You know, you're boring?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways! Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!! The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.[/p][/quote]You know, you're boring? Niccii
  • Score: 12

11:39am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -11

11:40am Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Niccii wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways!

Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!!

The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.
You know, you're boring?
Yep, but at least I am constant and a very patriotic Englishman.

Calling a fellow English person is not very patriotic at all!!!
[quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways! Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!! The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.[/p][/quote]You know, you're boring?[/p][/quote]Yep, but at least I am constant and a very patriotic Englishman. Calling a fellow English person is not very patriotic at all!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -10

11:48am Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!![/p][/quote]You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do. thomas222
  • Score: 0

11:51am Wed 16 Apr 14

Wolfie190 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Niccii wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways!

Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!!

The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.
You know, you're boring?
Yep, but at least I am constant and a very patriotic Englishman.

Calling a fellow English person is not very patriotic at all!!!
There are Labour, Conservative and Liberal politicians more patriotic than you... touch and go I know.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways! Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!! The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.[/p][/quote]You know, you're boring?[/p][/quote]Yep, but at least I am constant and a very patriotic Englishman. Calling a fellow English person is not very patriotic at all!!![/p][/quote]There are Labour, Conservative and Liberal politicians more patriotic than you... touch and go I know. Wolfie190
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Niccii wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways!

Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!!

The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.
You know, you're boring?
Yep, but at least I am constant and a very patriotic Englishman.

Calling a fellow English person is not very patriotic at all!!!
There are Labour, Conservative and Liberal politicians more patriotic than you... touch and go I know.
In what way are they more patriotic than me?

I fly the English flag high and proud. Even when I lived overseas it was in my window all the time showing that I was proud to be English - can you say the same?

https://www.google.c
om/maps/@52.368083,5
.217223,3a,15y,4.38h
,107.14t/data=!3m4!1
e1!3m2!1su1qKcELbvNq
I9JL777exHQ!2e0

Look at the windows in the apartment block and you will see in one of them the St Georges Flag!!! Now that is patriotism!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways! Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!! The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.[/p][/quote]You know, you're boring?[/p][/quote]Yep, but at least I am constant and a very patriotic Englishman. Calling a fellow English person is not very patriotic at all!!![/p][/quote]There are Labour, Conservative and Liberal politicians more patriotic than you... touch and go I know.[/p][/quote]In what way are they more patriotic than me? I fly the English flag high and proud. Even when I lived overseas it was in my window all the time showing that I was proud to be English - can you say the same? https://www.google.c om/maps/@52.368083,5 .217223,3a,15y,4.38h ,107.14t/data=!3m4!1 e1!3m2!1su1qKcELbvNq I9JL777exHQ!2e0 Look at the windows in the apartment block and you will see in one of them the St Georges Flag!!! Now that is patriotism!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -5

12:22pm Wed 16 Apr 14

John Edwards says...

England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day. John Edwards
  • Score: 3

12:24pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.
United States of Europe?

What is that?

How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!


BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!!

Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!!

Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!![/p][/quote]You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.[/p][/quote]United States of Europe? What is that? How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!! Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!! Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

12:27pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Here is the link for the Greater Manchester region of the ERDF!

http://ec.europa.eu/
regional_policy/coun
try/prordn/search.cf
m?gv_pay=UK&gv_reg=6
14&gv_obj=ALL&gv_the
=ALL&LAN=EN&gv_per=2



Now lets get back on track and talk about patriotism and not international politics!
Here is the link for the Greater Manchester region of the ERDF! http://ec.europa.eu/ regional_policy/coun try/prordn/search.cf m?gv_pay=UK&gv_reg=6 14&gv_obj=ALL&gv_the =ALL&LAN=EN&gv_per=2 Now lets get back on track and talk about patriotism and not international politics! The Righteous One
  • Score: -39

12:30pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Another thing Thomas,

you keep asking me questions and through my politeness I do answer them as fully as possible, but why do you NEVER answer my questions? I do believe that it is very rude that you never respond to my questions, and you expect to be the voice of the party you support - in which case you should be willing to answer ALL questions and not ignore!
Another thing Thomas, you keep asking me questions and through my politeness I do answer them as fully as possible, but why do you NEVER answer my questions? I do believe that it is very rude that you never respond to my questions, and you expect to be the voice of the party you support - in which case you should be willing to answer ALL questions and not ignore! The Righteous One
  • Score: -39

12:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mdavies11 says...

Stating "Just like the USA" is not, in itself, an argument for or against. Off the top of my head France, Canada, Australia and others already do this. Blimey, the leftie's beloved EU flies the EU flag outside EU buildings.

Plus lol at "OMG HOW CAN SCHOOLS AFFORD A WOODEN POLE AND SCRAP OF CLOTH". Perhaps they could stop randomly closing schools and opening unnecessary multi-million pound facilities? No, what's the real reason some are against this? ( No clutching at straws please, so no arguing that the flagpole might fall over and injure someone. )
Stating "Just like the USA" is not, in itself, an argument for or against. Off the top of my head France, Canada, Australia and others already do this. Blimey, the leftie's beloved EU flies the EU flag outside EU buildings. Plus lol at "OMG HOW CAN SCHOOLS AFFORD A WOODEN POLE AND SCRAP OF CLOTH". Perhaps they could stop randomly closing schools and opening unnecessary multi-million pound facilities? No, what's the real reason some are against this? ( No clutching at straws please, so no arguing that the flagpole might fall over and injure someone. ) mdavies11
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.
United States of Europe?

What is that?

How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!


BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!!

Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!!

Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!!
Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!![/p][/quote]You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.[/p][/quote]United States of Europe? What is that? How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!! Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!! Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!![/p][/quote]Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ? thomas222
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!!

Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!!

This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education!

Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!!

This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli

es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!!
Have only recently registered with this site. I don't often contribute, and when I do I keep my postings succinct.
I'm not getting into an argument with you because having looked into previous threads you monopolise them with long winded, pedantic and irrelevant rants.
I notice you also have a tendency to try and impress readers with your work and experience: I'm not interested in the slightest in who you are, where you've been and the content you cut and paste from Wikipedia.
Please keep on topic. And why do you use exclamation marks excessively?
Anyhow enough said.
Now WTF is the link between flying the Union Jack and American culture?
Perhaps the reason we have copied the yellow school bus idea might just be because they stick out like a sore thumb wherever they are: that's got nothing to do with culture. It's common sense.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!! Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!! This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education! Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!! This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Have only recently registered with this site. I don't often contribute, and when I do I keep my postings succinct. I'm not getting into an argument with you because having looked into previous threads you monopolise them with long winded, pedantic and irrelevant rants. I notice you also have a tendency to try and impress readers with your work and experience: I'm not interested in the slightest in who you are, where you've been and the content you cut and paste from Wikipedia. Please keep on topic. And why do you use exclamation marks excessively? Anyhow enough said. Now WTF is the link between flying the Union Jack and American culture? Perhaps the reason we have copied the yellow school bus idea might just be because they stick out like a sore thumb wherever they are: that's got nothing to do with culture. It's common sense. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 5

12:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mdavies11 wrote:
Stating "Just like the USA" is not, in itself, an argument for or against. Off the top of my head France, Canada, Australia and others already do this. Blimey, the leftie's beloved EU flies the EU flag outside EU buildings.

Plus lol at "OMG HOW CAN SCHOOLS AFFORD A WOODEN POLE AND SCRAP OF CLOTH". Perhaps they could stop randomly closing schools and opening unnecessary multi-million pound facilities? No, what's the real reason some are against this? ( No clutching at straws please, so no arguing that the flagpole might fall over and injure someone. )
France have their school free from religion and politics and as such yes they my fly the flag but they do not sing the national anthem at all.

In Australia, a country I have visited quite a few times I have never seen their national flag fly high at school grounds and I know for a fact, as I have relatives out there, that they do not sing the national anthem everyday.

I also know in Canada they do have the national flag flying high but they do not sing the national anthem everyday. Also how old is the Canadian Maple Leaf national flag? (it is only 49 years old!!!), but many Government buildings still fly the old ensign flags - so how patriotic is that?

How many people tend to forget that the Town Hall does actually fly the Union flag high and proud???
[quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: Stating "Just like the USA" is not, in itself, an argument for or against. Off the top of my head France, Canada, Australia and others already do this. Blimey, the leftie's beloved EU flies the EU flag outside EU buildings. Plus lol at "OMG HOW CAN SCHOOLS AFFORD A WOODEN POLE AND SCRAP OF CLOTH". Perhaps they could stop randomly closing schools and opening unnecessary multi-million pound facilities? No, what's the real reason some are against this? ( No clutching at straws please, so no arguing that the flagpole might fall over and injure someone. )[/p][/quote]France have their school free from religion and politics and as such yes they my fly the flag but they do not sing the national anthem at all. In Australia, a country I have visited quite a few times I have never seen their national flag fly high at school grounds and I know for a fact, as I have relatives out there, that they do not sing the national anthem everyday. I also know in Canada they do have the national flag flying high but they do not sing the national anthem everyday. Also how old is the Canadian Maple Leaf national flag? (it is only 49 years old!!!), but many Government buildings still fly the old ensign flags - so how patriotic is that? How many people tend to forget that the Town Hall does actually fly the Union flag high and proud??? The Righteous One
  • Score: -38

12:46pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!!

Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!!

This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education!

Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!!

This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli


es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!!
Have only recently registered with this site. I don't often contribute, and when I do I keep my postings succinct.
I'm not getting into an argument with you because having looked into previous threads you monopolise them with long winded, pedantic and irrelevant rants.
I notice you also have a tendency to try and impress readers with your work and experience: I'm not interested in the slightest in who you are, where you've been and the content you cut and paste from Wikipedia.
Please keep on topic. And why do you use exclamation marks excessively?
Anyhow enough said.
Now WTF is the link between flying the Union Jack and American culture?
Perhaps the reason we have copied the yellow school bus idea might just be because they stick out like a sore thumb wherever they are: that's got nothing to do with culture. It's common sense.
It is not common sense!

A lot of our yellow school buses are actually built in the States and modified for our laws - TfGM actually buy them from the States and are part and parcel of the School contracts that TfGM deal with!!!

What is wrong in using normal buses, like they have done for the last 50+years?

Also to have a seat on one for these yellow school buses one has to register your child and pay for it! In the States they are used because of the long distances that children have to travel to/from school, as they are not normally in the same areas as the housing estates. Whilst here in the UK children go to neighbourhood primary schools and although secondary school s can be a bit further away we are not talking the same distances as what they are in the States.

Wikipedia, I never use as that can be altered by anyone at anytime. My knowledge comes from experience, friends and family across the globe, and reading appropriates texts.
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!! Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!! This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education! Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!! This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Have only recently registered with this site. I don't often contribute, and when I do I keep my postings succinct. I'm not getting into an argument with you because having looked into previous threads you monopolise them with long winded, pedantic and irrelevant rants. I notice you also have a tendency to try and impress readers with your work and experience: I'm not interested in the slightest in who you are, where you've been and the content you cut and paste from Wikipedia. Please keep on topic. And why do you use exclamation marks excessively? Anyhow enough said. Now WTF is the link between flying the Union Jack and American culture? Perhaps the reason we have copied the yellow school bus idea might just be because they stick out like a sore thumb wherever they are: that's got nothing to do with culture. It's common sense.[/p][/quote]It is not common sense! A lot of our yellow school buses are actually built in the States and modified for our laws - TfGM actually buy them from the States and are part and parcel of the School contracts that TfGM deal with!!! What is wrong in using normal buses, like they have done for the last 50+years? Also to have a seat on one for these yellow school buses one has to register your child and pay for it! In the States they are used because of the long distances that children have to travel to/from school, as they are not normally in the same areas as the housing estates. Whilst here in the UK children go to neighbourhood primary schools and although secondary school s can be a bit further away we are not talking the same distances as what they are in the States. Wikipedia, I never use as that can be altered by anyone at anytime. My knowledge comes from experience, friends and family across the globe, and reading appropriates texts. The Righteous One
  • Score: -39

12:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

owencoyle99 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.
Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria.

Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!!
It is obvious you have a problem with this Country & don,t like it or respect it. Why don,t you get off & live in the perfect Country of your choice & once you get there denounce your UK nationality and your British passport. Don,t think you would though because that passport is the best in the world and many many people want one. Where is your perfect Country by the way.
lets have a collection to get rid of him - sooner the better

what a numptie
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria. Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!![/p][/quote]It is obvious you have a problem with this Country & don,t like it or respect it. Why don,t you get off & live in the perfect Country of your choice & once you get there denounce your UK nationality and your British passport. Don,t think you would though because that passport is the best in the world and many many people want one. Where is your perfect Country by the way.[/p][/quote]lets have a collection to get rid of him - sooner the better what a numptie owencoyle99
  • Score: 32

12:51pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.
United States of Europe?

What is that?

How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!


BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!!

Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!!

Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!!
Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?
Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU!

I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!!

Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!![/p][/quote]You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.[/p][/quote]United States of Europe? What is that? How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!! Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!! Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!![/p][/quote]Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?[/p][/quote]Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU! I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!! Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -19

12:53pm Wed 16 Apr 14

StartMeUp says...

The UK doesn't even have a national anthem, just some fawning nonsense about Brenda slaughtering Scotsmen.
The UK doesn't even have a national anthem, just some fawning nonsense about Brenda slaughtering Scotsmen. StartMeUp
  • Score: 5

12:55pm Wed 16 Apr 14

StartMeUp says...

As my old friend David Bowie once sang, "This is not America".
As my old friend David Bowie once sang, "This is not America". StartMeUp
  • Score: 5

12:56pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Basically all those who want not to be part of the EU but still class themselves as British (and not English) then you could always move to Isle of Man or even the Channel Islands due to the fact that they are Crown dependencies and are not part of the EU, but you would have to have good bank accounts as prices and taxes are far higher than here in England!!!!
Basically all those who want not to be part of the EU but still class themselves as British (and not English) then you could always move to Isle of Man or even the Channel Islands due to the fact that they are Crown dependencies and are not part of the EU, but you would have to have good bank accounts as prices and taxes are far higher than here in England!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -39

12:57pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.
United States of Europe?

What is that?

How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!


BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!!

Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!!

Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!!
Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?
Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU!

I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!!

Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!!
The question is simple & it does concern being a Patriot. You cannot be a Patriot if you want to stay in the EU who in turn wants to turn it into the ESE. You have no answer to that.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!![/p][/quote]You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.[/p][/quote]United States of Europe? What is that? How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!! Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!! Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!![/p][/quote]Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?[/p][/quote]Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU! I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!! Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!![/p][/quote]The question is simple & it does concern being a Patriot. You cannot be a Patriot if you want to stay in the EU who in turn wants to turn it into the ESE. You have no answer to that. thomas222
  • Score: -2

1:03pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

John Edwards wrote:
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing.

Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English?

I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year!
[quote][p][bold]John Edwards[/bold] wrote: England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.[/p][/quote]I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing. Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English? I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year! The Righteous One
  • Score: -40

1:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!!

Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!!

This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education!

Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!!

This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli



es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!!
Have only recently registered with this site. I don't often contribute, and when I do I keep my postings succinct.
I'm not getting into an argument with you because having looked into previous threads you monopolise them with long winded, pedantic and irrelevant rants.
I notice you also have a tendency to try and impress readers with your work and experience: I'm not interested in the slightest in who you are, where you've been and the content you cut and paste from Wikipedia.
Please keep on topic. And why do you use exclamation marks excessively?
Anyhow enough said.
Now WTF is the link between flying the Union Jack and American culture?
Perhaps the reason we have copied the yellow school bus idea might just be because they stick out like a sore thumb wherever they are: that's got nothing to do with culture. It's common sense.
It is not common sense!

A lot of our yellow school buses are actually built in the States and modified for our laws - TfGM actually buy them from the States and are part and parcel of the School contracts that TfGM deal with!!!

What is wrong in using normal buses, like they have done for the last 50+years?

Also to have a seat on one for these yellow school buses one has to register your child and pay for it! In the States they are used because of the long distances that children have to travel to/from school, as they are not normally in the same areas as the housing estates. Whilst here in the UK children go to neighbourhood primary schools and although secondary school s can be a bit further away we are not talking the same distances as what they are in the States.

Wikipedia, I never use as that can be altered by anyone at anytime. My knowledge comes from experience, friends and family across the globe, and reading appropriates texts.
I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Personally speaking I think it is a terrible idea. Not because it is un-PC but because it is just more of the US culture we are taking on board!!! Our schools are more US than ever before with very large classes, easy exams, "end of year" proms, finishing between 2 and 3 for some schools, yellow school buses and most importantly intolerance of the non-normal!!!! Another problem is that the tune to the National Anthem is not actually British as it is an exact copy of the tune which the Principality of Lichtenstein has!!! Also if Scotland gain their independence then our National Anthem would effectively have o change as we would no longer be a United Kingdom and England doesn't have its on National Anthem unlike the other countries within the Union!!!! This only happens in America and funnily enough in all totalitarian regimes! No true democratic country does this as school is for educating and NOT for political brainwashing. And, in essence, I would make our schools more French in that we shouldn't be teaching religious education! Assembly and end with standing up, hand on heart and sing the national anthem!!! This leads then onto another problem - if you lived in Wales you would want your own National flag and National Anthem to be sung, and same also applies in Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well - they are their own countries with their own Parliaments/Assembli es and still part of the Union. Whilst us English would be flying the Union flag and singing the Union Anthem!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Have only recently registered with this site. I don't often contribute, and when I do I keep my postings succinct. I'm not getting into an argument with you because having looked into previous threads you monopolise them with long winded, pedantic and irrelevant rants. I notice you also have a tendency to try and impress readers with your work and experience: I'm not interested in the slightest in who you are, where you've been and the content you cut and paste from Wikipedia. Please keep on topic. And why do you use exclamation marks excessively? Anyhow enough said. Now WTF is the link between flying the Union Jack and American culture? Perhaps the reason we have copied the yellow school bus idea might just be because they stick out like a sore thumb wherever they are: that's got nothing to do with culture. It's common sense.[/p][/quote]It is not common sense! A lot of our yellow school buses are actually built in the States and modified for our laws - TfGM actually buy them from the States and are part and parcel of the School contracts that TfGM deal with!!! What is wrong in using normal buses, like they have done for the last 50+years? Also to have a seat on one for these yellow school buses one has to register your child and pay for it! In the States they are used because of the long distances that children have to travel to/from school, as they are not normally in the same areas as the housing estates. Whilst here in the UK children go to neighbourhood primary schools and although secondary school s can be a bit further away we are not talking the same distances as what they are in the States. Wikipedia, I never use as that can be altered by anyone at anytime. My knowledge comes from experience, friends and family across the globe, and reading appropriates texts.[/p][/quote]I rest my case. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 3

1:14pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.
United States of Europe?

What is that?

How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!


BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!!

Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!!

Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!!
Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?
Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU!

I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!!

Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!!
The question is simple & it does concern being a Patriot. You cannot be a Patriot if you want to stay in the EU who in turn wants to turn it into the ESE. You have no answer to that.
I am an English patriot!!!

My politics with regards to the EU and the UK are not of any concern for my patriotism. Patriotism is to do with the heart and where one feels at home and proud. Politics is the everyday things we do and is not part of the heart but the purse-strings!

As it is you are not patriotic at all because you call yourself British and talk about the UK and not ENGLAND and most of all you are not proud of being English!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!![/p][/quote]You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.[/p][/quote]United States of Europe? What is that? How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!! Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!! Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!![/p][/quote]Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?[/p][/quote]Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU! I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!! Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!![/p][/quote]The question is simple & it does concern being a Patriot. You cannot be a Patriot if you want to stay in the EU who in turn wants to turn it into the ESE. You have no answer to that.[/p][/quote]I am an English patriot!!! My politics with regards to the EU and the UK are not of any concern for my patriotism. Patriotism is to do with the heart and where one feels at home and proud. Politics is the everyday things we do and is not part of the heart but the purse-strings! As it is you are not patriotic at all because you call yourself British and talk about the UK and not ENGLAND and most of all you are not proud of being English!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -49

1:20pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas if you want it to be a EU debate then answer these question, which I have asked you over and over and over again for which you have totally ignored!!!

I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that?

Do you support his action in claiming false expenses?

Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules?

Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed?

Also, with the latest expenses scandal you do not expect him to resign as if it was anyone else from any other Party he would be demanding the person to resign?

Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's?

Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year?

Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000?

Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?
Thomas if you want it to be a EU debate then answer these question, which I have asked you over and over and over again for which you have totally ignored!!! I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that? Do you support his action in claiming false expenses? Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules? Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed? Also, with the latest expenses scandal you do not expect him to resign as if it was anyone else from any other Party he would be demanding the person to resign? Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's? Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000? Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members? The Righteous One
  • Score: -32

1:26pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.
United States of Europe?

What is that?

How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!


BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!!

Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!!

Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!!
Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?
Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU!

I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!!

Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!!
The question is simple & it does concern being a Patriot. You cannot be a Patriot if you want to stay in the EU who in turn wants to turn it into the ESE. You have no answer to that.
I am an English patriot!!!

My politics with regards to the EU and the UK are not of any concern for my patriotism. Patriotism is to do with the heart and where one feels at home and proud. Politics is the everyday things we do and is not part of the heart but the purse-strings!

As it is you are not patriotic at all because you call yourself British and talk about the UK and not ENGLAND and most of all you are not proud of being English!!!
What a stupid answer that is..... you dont want a union with the scots irish & welsh because you are a English patriot yet you are a English patriot who wants a union with the EU. You have no understanding of what a English Patriot means im afraid to say.,
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!![/p][/quote]You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.[/p][/quote]United States of Europe? What is that? How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!! Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!! Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!![/p][/quote]Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?[/p][/quote]Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU! I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!! Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!![/p][/quote]The question is simple & it does concern being a Patriot. You cannot be a Patriot if you want to stay in the EU who in turn wants to turn it into the ESE. You have no answer to that.[/p][/quote]I am an English patriot!!! My politics with regards to the EU and the UK are not of any concern for my patriotism. Patriotism is to do with the heart and where one feels at home and proud. Politics is the everyday things we do and is not part of the heart but the purse-strings! As it is you are not patriotic at all because you call yourself British and talk about the UK and not ENGLAND and most of all you are not proud of being English!!![/p][/quote]What a stupid answer that is..... you dont want a union with the scots irish & welsh because you are a English patriot yet you are a English patriot who wants a union with the EU. You have no understanding of what a English Patriot means im afraid to say., thomas222
  • Score: 3

1:29pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Othe citizens in EU countries are proud of their country and as such they are patriotic to their country whether they support the EU orr not.

Such as April 25th and 26th is Kings Nigh/Day in The Netherlands where everyone dresses up in orange and celebrate their kings birthday - is that patriotic to the country or the EU?

Such as France- Bastille day, which all French people celebrate - is that patriotic to the country or the EU?

Such as "San Fermin," in Spain, which is celebrated every year in July in Pamplona. Bulls are released into the streets, while people run ahead of the animals to the bullring. Again is that patriotic the country or to the EU?

There are many many more examples like that and shows that patriotism is not politics!!!

Therefore I am an English patriot who support what the EU is trying to achieve. Lets put it this way how many mistakes did the US congress make in its early years, and still do, when various American countries were joining as "States"? Also look at th mistakes pas and present with regards to the 7 different states of Australia (all of which have their own Parliaments and laws as well as the Federal Parliament and Federal laws) - and the same goes for Canada, and then look at Germany each Germanic province have their own Assembly and laws as well as the German Federal Parliament and German Federal laws!!!

Fact is your arguments fail because you do not politics or history. You talks about the "New Order" and yet you don't realise what "New Order" means - and it is to do with Nazi Germany!!! (and yes the group New Order and their previous name of Joy Division were references to Nazi Germany!)
Othe citizens in EU countries are proud of their country and as such they are patriotic to their country whether they support the EU orr not. Such as April 25th and 26th is Kings Nigh/Day in The Netherlands where everyone dresses up in orange and celebrate their kings birthday - is that patriotic to the country or the EU? Such as France- Bastille day, which all French people celebrate - is that patriotic to the country or the EU? Such as "San Fermin," in Spain, which is celebrated every year in July in Pamplona. Bulls are released into the streets, while people run ahead of the animals to the bullring. Again is that patriotic the country or to the EU? There are many many more examples like that and shows that patriotism is not politics!!! Therefore I am an English patriot who support what the EU is trying to achieve. Lets put it this way how many mistakes did the US congress make in its early years, and still do, when various American countries were joining as "States"? Also look at th mistakes pas and present with regards to the 7 different states of Australia (all of which have their own Parliaments and laws as well as the Federal Parliament and Federal laws) - and the same goes for Canada, and then look at Germany each Germanic province have their own Assembly and laws as well as the German Federal Parliament and German Federal laws!!! Fact is your arguments fail because you do not politics or history. You talks about the "New Order" and yet you don't realise what "New Order" means - and it is to do with Nazi Germany!!! (and yes the group New Order and their previous name of Joy Division were references to Nazi Germany!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

1:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

LordLeverhulme says...

Doesn't matter how they vote.
It's the Department for Education that decides what must happen in schools not some little trumped up local politicians trying to win votes just before a local election.
Doesn't matter how they vote. It's the Department for Education that decides what must happen in schools not some little trumped up local politicians trying to win votes just before a local election. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 4

1:33pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Look at the London Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens Jubilee celebrations last year, and the one I remember in 1977 with the street parties as well as the birth of Prince George last year.

Everyone celebrating the fact, look at all the St Georges flags flying at the time. Also look at St Georges Day in recent years with people celebrating, people supporting the Armed services whether they country was right to enter a country or not - that is patriotism and has nothing to do with politics!!!
Look at the London Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens Jubilee celebrations last year, and the one I remember in 1977 with the street parties as well as the birth of Prince George last year. Everyone celebrating the fact, look at all the St Georges flags flying at the time. Also look at St Georges Day in recent years with people celebrating, people supporting the Armed services whether they country was right to enter a country or not - that is patriotism and has nothing to do with politics!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -6

1:38pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas if you want it to be a EU debate then answer these question, which I have asked you over and over and over again for which you have totally ignored!!!

I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that?

Do you support his action in claiming false expenses?

Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules?

Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed?

Also, with the latest expenses scandal you do not expect him to resign as if it was anyone else from any other Party he would be demanding the person to resign?

Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's?

Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year?

Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000?

Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?
Have you noticed there has been no mention of his expenses of it today.. thats because the article was trashed as all being wrong and it has made the Establishment Times look very silly. BY 2020 UKIP will be in power the fight back starts next month...... Its votes that count not the number of the members as you will find out next month and then you will look very silly. He had a bit on the side so what many do & always will.. Have no other people been caught having a secratary as their bit on the side. Get in the real world its not perfect pal.look on ukip.org you will then find out what rubbish that times atrticle was.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas if you want it to be a EU debate then answer these question, which I have asked you over and over and over again for which you have totally ignored!!! I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that? Do you support his action in claiming false expenses? Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules? Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed? Also, with the latest expenses scandal you do not expect him to resign as if it was anyone else from any other Party he would be demanding the person to resign? Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's? Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000? Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?[/p][/quote]Have you noticed there has been no mention of his expenses of it today.. thats because the article was trashed as all being wrong and it has made the Establishment Times look very silly. BY 2020 UKIP will be in power the fight back starts next month...... Its votes that count not the number of the members as you will find out next month and then you will look very silly. He had a bit on the side so what many do & always will.. Have no other people been caught having a secratary as their bit on the side. Get in the real world its not perfect pal.look on ukip.org you will then find out what rubbish that times atrticle was. thomas222
  • Score: -4

1:38pm Wed 16 Apr 14

John Edwards says...

John Edwards wrote:
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing.

Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English?

I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year
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I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.
John Edwards wrote: England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day. I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing. Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English? I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year -------------------- --- I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s. John Edwards
  • Score: 3

1:41pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas,

The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND!

Where is your? Britain?
Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.
Thomas

As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change."

I am now saying to you....

Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!!
You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.
United States of Europe?

What is that?

How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!


BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!!

Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!!

Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!!
Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?
Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU!

I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!!

Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!!
The question is simple & it does concern being a Patriot. You cannot be a Patriot if you want to stay in the EU who in turn wants to turn it into the ESE. You have no answer to that.
I am an English patriot!!!

My politics with regards to the EU and the UK are not of any concern for my patriotism. Patriotism is to do with the heart and where one feels at home and proud. Politics is the everyday things we do and is not part of the heart but the purse-strings!

As it is you are not patriotic at all because you call yourself British and talk about the UK and not ENGLAND and most of all you are not proud of being English!!!
What a stupid answer that is..... you dont want a union with the scots irish & welsh because you are a English patriot yet you are a English patriot who wants a union with the EU. You have no understanding of what a English Patriot means im afraid to say.,
I have a clear understanding, it seems you don't!

The EU is not a country it is an economic union!!!

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is country made up of 4 other countries, not just economically but politically as well. Basically a country within a country!!!

But that is POLITICS and not PATRIOTISM!!!


Again you have not answered as to why England does not have a National Anthem nor its own Parliament?

I was born in Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom!!

Therefore I am ENGLISH and proud of being English!

It seems you are not that proud at all, otherwise you would have debated the good things about being English rather than just argue the political status. fact is you can't say anything good about England or Britain because you are ashamed of your own country of birth!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, The answer to your question as to my preferred country is ENGLAND! Where is your? Britain?[/p][/quote]Do you meant the same England you want to give away become a part of the United States of Europe & gives Millions of British pounds every day to be spent on Counties like turkey to become part of that union & propping up poor non producing Counties in the EU. I am English & i am also allowed to British though i only have one passport unlike people from Ireland & Pakistan India etc who have two Nationalities & two passports.[/p][/quote]Thomas As Bob Shaftoe said to me,"Please don't hijack this post with your pro EU anti UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring. Do some work for a change." I am now saying to you.... Please do not hijack this thread with you anti-EU and pro-UK dogma. You are becoming very tiresome and boring!!![/p][/quote]You forgot to answer the Question asked , Is it the same England you want to become part of the United States of Europe. Simple question needs a simple answer yes or no will do.[/p][/quote]United States of Europe? What is that? How can I answer yes or no when the United States of Eueope doesn't exist and will never exist in my lifetime and England is not part of any Union except that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! BUT... The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is part of the European Union!!!! Once again showing yourself up because you don't know your own politics!!!! Once again I have to point out that this thread is about patriotism and NOT politics of the EU!!! Therefore keep that debate for another thread!!! Erstwhile why don't you read the website of the European Regional Development fund to see what they have helped to create not just in the North West but the UK as a whole!!!![/p][/quote]Aka the EU who want to become the United States of Europe and have put it on record that it is what their ultimate aim is. The reason you want to change the subject is because you wanting to be a part of the EU later to be the USE makes your claim of being a English patriot look very silly im afraid. Unless you have changed your mind recently. Have you ?[/p][/quote]Not at all changing the subject, but you are in wanting to talk about the EU! I am talking about patriotism! If you want I could go through the list of every country and show how much patriotism there is for each individual country within the EU, but it is not for this thread!!!! Fact is this is about being patriotic in THIS country and as I have said I am Englsh proud first and foremost before any sort of union, and that includes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Therefore to accuse me of making me look silly of being a English patriot over the EU also assume that I am silly of being an English patriot over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which then actually nullifies your argument against me, because you think you are patriotic to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not patriotic about being English!!![/p][/quote]The question is simple & it does concern being a Patriot. You cannot be a Patriot if you want to stay in the EU who in turn wants to turn it into the ESE. You have no answer to that.[/p][/quote]I am an English patriot!!! My politics with regards to the EU and the UK are not of any concern for my patriotism. Patriotism is to do with the heart and where one feels at home and proud. Politics is the everyday things we do and is not part of the heart but the purse-strings! As it is you are not patriotic at all because you call yourself British and talk about the UK and not ENGLAND and most of all you are not proud of being English!!![/p][/quote]What a stupid answer that is..... you dont want a union with the scots irish & welsh because you are a English patriot yet you are a English patriot who wants a union with the EU. You have no understanding of what a English Patriot means im afraid to say.,[/p][/quote]I have a clear understanding, it seems you don't! The EU is not a country it is an economic union!!! The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is country made up of 4 other countries, not just economically but politically as well. Basically a country within a country!!! But that is POLITICS and not PATRIOTISM!!! Again you have not answered as to why England does not have a National Anthem nor its own Parliament? I was born in Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom!! Therefore I am ENGLISH and proud of being English! It seems you are not that proud at all, otherwise you would have debated the good things about being English rather than just argue the political status. fact is you can't say anything good about England or Britain because you are ashamed of your own country of birth!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

1:42pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Look at the London Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens Jubilee celebrations last year, and the one I remember in 1977 with the street parties as well as the birth of Prince George last year.

Everyone celebrating the fact, look at all the St Georges flags flying at the time. Also look at St Georges Day in recent years with people celebrating, people supporting the Armed services whether they country was right to enter a country or not - that is patriotism and has nothing to do with politics!!!
It suits you not to be political on this because it shows you up to be a Europhile & not a patriot thats why.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Look at the London Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens Jubilee celebrations last year, and the one I remember in 1977 with the street parties as well as the birth of Prince George last year. Everyone celebrating the fact, look at all the St Georges flags flying at the time. Also look at St Georges Day in recent years with people celebrating, people supporting the Armed services whether they country was right to enter a country or not - that is patriotism and has nothing to do with politics!!![/p][/quote]It suits you not to be political on this because it shows you up to be a Europhile & not a patriot thats why. thomas222
  • Score: 17

1:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

John Edwards wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing.

Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English?

I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year
--------------------

---

I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.
I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games.

If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal.

I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated!
[quote][p][bold]John Edwards[/bold] wrote: John Edwards wrote: England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day. I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing. Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English? I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year -------------------- --- I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.[/p][/quote]I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games. If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal. I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

1:54pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Definitely, the national anthem should be sung in schools, it was when I went to primary school.

As for flying the national flag, again yes we should fly the Union Jack, also we should also fly our red rose county flag just below it.
Definitely, the national anthem should be sung in schools, it was when I went to primary school. As for flying the national flag, again yes we should fly the Union Jack, also we should also fly our red rose county flag just below it. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 5

1:58pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing.

Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English?

I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year
--------------------


---

I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.
I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games.

If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal.

I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated!
Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Edwards[/bold] wrote: John Edwards wrote: England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day. I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing. Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English? I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year -------------------- --- I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.[/p][/quote]I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games. If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal. I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated![/p][/quote]Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor.. thomas222
  • Score: 17

1:59pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Look at the London Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens Jubilee celebrations last year, and the one I remember in 1977 with the street parties as well as the birth of Prince George last year.

Everyone celebrating the fact, look at all the St Georges flags flying at the time. Also look at St Georges Day in recent years with people celebrating, people supporting the Armed services whether they country was right to enter a country or not - that is patriotism and has nothing to do with politics!!!
It suits you not to be political on this because it shows you up to be a Europhile & not a patriot thats why.
Not t all.

As I have said patriotism is not about agreeing whether EU is a good thing or not. It is about CELEBRATING your country of birth!

I am not a Europhile, in fact quite the opposite and believe that we will be a true union, maybe not in my lifetime but it will happen. The UK was once part of the two largest pan European Empires (Greek and Roman) and were part of other larger Empires such as the Normans (French) Saxons (Germanic and which our Modern English is based on) Vikings, Dutch and will be again now that our Empire, like theirs, died a slow and painful death.

But that has NOTHING to do with patriotism. As I keep saying I am proud to be English and proud to be part of a country that has had such a rich and diverse history from being invaded over and over again to the many unions we have with various groups and parties to keep peace around the world nowadays! But most importantly us English know how to throw a good party and celebrate everything that is good with the country.

Just a shame you are too ashamed and negative to see all that!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Look at the London Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens Jubilee celebrations last year, and the one I remember in 1977 with the street parties as well as the birth of Prince George last year. Everyone celebrating the fact, look at all the St Georges flags flying at the time. Also look at St Georges Day in recent years with people celebrating, people supporting the Armed services whether they country was right to enter a country or not - that is patriotism and has nothing to do with politics!!![/p][/quote]It suits you not to be political on this because it shows you up to be a Europhile & not a patriot thats why.[/p][/quote]Not t all. As I have said patriotism is not about agreeing whether EU is a good thing or not. It is about CELEBRATING your country of birth! I am not a Europhile, in fact quite the opposite and believe that we will be a true union, maybe not in my lifetime but it will happen. The UK was once part of the two largest pan European Empires (Greek and Roman) and were part of other larger Empires such as the Normans (French) Saxons (Germanic and which our Modern English is based on) Vikings, Dutch and will be again now that our Empire, like theirs, died a slow and painful death. But that has NOTHING to do with patriotism. As I keep saying I am proud to be English and proud to be part of a country that has had such a rich and diverse history from being invaded over and over again to the many unions we have with various groups and parties to keep peace around the world nowadays! But most importantly us English know how to throw a good party and celebrate everything that is good with the country. Just a shame you are too ashamed and negative to see all that! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

2:08pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing.

Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English?

I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year
--------------------



---

I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.
I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games.

If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal.

I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated!
Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..
Sovereign - sounds as though you are a monarchist.

Now is that the monarchy we have which is predominantly German with Prince Philip being Greek?

Yes even our monarchy is pan-European with relatives in the Spanish, Dutch and Swedish monarchy. So it sounds to me that we are definitely part of a wider European picture than you want us to be!!!

But again this has nothing to do with PATRIOTISM, as all this is POLITICAL!!!

You are the 2nd person to call me a traitor. If you really think I am then report me and get me shot - lets not forget that the death penalty still exists for traitors of the Crown!!!

But lets see the facts of my patriotism.....

Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot?

Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do?

Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's?

Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it?

Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them?

Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country?

Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!!



But once again you have shown yourself up not knowing your subject!

And still you have said nothing positive about this great country ours and you call yourself patriotic!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Edwards[/bold] wrote: John Edwards wrote: England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day. I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing. Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English? I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year -------------------- --- I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.[/p][/quote]I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games. If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal. I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated![/p][/quote]Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..[/p][/quote]Sovereign - sounds as though you are a monarchist. Now is that the monarchy we have which is predominantly German with Prince Philip being Greek? Yes even our monarchy is pan-European with relatives in the Spanish, Dutch and Swedish monarchy. So it sounds to me that we are definitely part of a wider European picture than you want us to be!!! But again this has nothing to do with PATRIOTISM, as all this is POLITICAL!!! You are the 2nd person to call me a traitor. If you really think I am then report me and get me shot - lets not forget that the death penalty still exists for traitors of the Crown!!! But lets see the facts of my patriotism..... Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot? Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do? Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's? Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it? Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them? Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country? Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!! But once again you have shown yourself up not knowing your subject! And still you have said nothing positive about this great country ours and you call yourself patriotic!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -23

2:09pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Janbur says...

Why do you have to tell peope to be patriotic,I find it very strange!!!!!I have always been patriotic in al my 70 yrs no matter who protests about flying the UNION JACK,This will always be ENGLAND nothing is said when people who come to this country who are supposed to be BRITISH and they fly their own flags which are not our flag of Britain,Talk to these people first and make them realise WHY did they come to this country in the first place
Why do you have to tell peope to be patriotic,I find it very strange!!!!!I have always been patriotic in al my 70 yrs no matter who protests about flying the UNION JACK,This will always be ENGLAND nothing is said when people who come to this country who are supposed to be BRITISH and they fly their own flags which are not our flag of Britain,Talk to these people first and make them realise WHY did they come to this country in the first place Janbur
  • Score: 6

2:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Janbur says...

Gore Seer wrote:
Well According To Sky News The Government Think Tank, As Said That A English Person Is A Third Class Citizen Now, So To Fly Are Flag Flying Over A Multi Racial School Could Be Considered A Little Racist, We Would After Fly Flags That Represent The Schools Other Pupils Ethnic Origins.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Well According To Sky News The Government Think Tank, As Said That A English Person Is A Third Class Citizen Now, So To Fly Are Flag Flying Over A Multi Racial School Could Be Considered A Little Racist, We Would After Fly Flags That Represent The Schools Other Pupils Ethnic Origins.[/p][/quote]Well said Janbur
  • Score: 2

2:14pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing.

Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English?

I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year
--------------------




---

I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.
I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games.

If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal.

I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated!
Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..
Sovereign - sounds as though you are a monarchist.

Now is that the monarchy we have which is predominantly German with Prince Philip being Greek?

Yes even our monarchy is pan-European with relatives in the Spanish, Dutch and Swedish monarchy. So it sounds to me that we are definitely part of a wider European picture than you want us to be!!!

But again this has nothing to do with PATRIOTISM, as all this is POLITICAL!!!

You are the 2nd person to call me a traitor. If you really think I am then report me and get me shot - lets not forget that the death penalty still exists for traitors of the Crown!!!

But lets see the facts of my patriotism.....

Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot?

Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do?

Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's?

Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it?

Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them?

Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country?

Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!!



But once again you have shown yourself up not knowing your subject!

And still you have said nothing positive about this great country ours and you call yourself patriotic!!!!
I think i have proved my point & i think most will agree you are no more a Patriot then i am Pro EU. You are outed and i think have some serious mental health issues.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Edwards[/bold] wrote: John Edwards wrote: England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day. I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing. Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English? I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year -------------------- --- I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.[/p][/quote]I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games. If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal. I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated![/p][/quote]Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..[/p][/quote]Sovereign - sounds as though you are a monarchist. Now is that the monarchy we have which is predominantly German with Prince Philip being Greek? Yes even our monarchy is pan-European with relatives in the Spanish, Dutch and Swedish monarchy. So it sounds to me that we are definitely part of a wider European picture than you want us to be!!! But again this has nothing to do with PATRIOTISM, as all this is POLITICAL!!! You are the 2nd person to call me a traitor. If you really think I am then report me and get me shot - lets not forget that the death penalty still exists for traitors of the Crown!!! But lets see the facts of my patriotism..... Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot? Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do? Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's? Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it? Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them? Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country? Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!! But once again you have shown yourself up not knowing your subject! And still you have said nothing positive about this great country ours and you call yourself patriotic!!!![/p][/quote]I think i have proved my point & i think most will agree you are no more a Patriot then i am Pro EU. You are outed and i think have some serious mental health issues. thomas222
  • Score: 26

2:15pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Janbur wrote:
Why do you have to tell peope to be patriotic,I find it very strange!!!!!I have always been patriotic in al my 70 yrs no matter who protests about flying the UNION JACK,This will always be ENGLAND nothing is said when people who come to this country who are supposed to be BRITISH and they fly their own flags which are not our flag of Britain,Talk to these people first and make them realise WHY did they come to this country in the first place
Well said!!!! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: Why do you have to tell peope to be patriotic,I find it very strange!!!!!I have always been patriotic in al my 70 yrs no matter who protests about flying the UNION JACK,This will always be ENGLAND nothing is said when people who come to this country who are supposed to be BRITISH and they fly their own flags which are not our flag of Britain,Talk to these people first and make them realise WHY did they come to this country in the first place[/p][/quote]Well said!!!! :-) The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

2:22pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing.

Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English?

I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year
--------------------





---

I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.
I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games.

If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal.

I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated!
Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..
Sovereign - sounds as though you are a monarchist.

Now is that the monarchy we have which is predominantly German with Prince Philip being Greek?

Yes even our monarchy is pan-European with relatives in the Spanish, Dutch and Swedish monarchy. So it sounds to me that we are definitely part of a wider European picture than you want us to be!!!

But again this has nothing to do with PATRIOTISM, as all this is POLITICAL!!!

You are the 2nd person to call me a traitor. If you really think I am then report me and get me shot - lets not forget that the death penalty still exists for traitors of the Crown!!!

But lets see the facts of my patriotism.....

Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot?

Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do?

Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's?

Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it?

Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them?

Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country?

Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!!



But once again you have shown yourself up not knowing your subject!

And still you have said nothing positive about this great country ours and you call yourself patriotic!!!!
I think i have proved my point & i think most will agree you are no more a Patriot then i am Pro EU. You are outed and i think have some serious mental health issues.
What have you proved?

1. I am a patriot of ENGLAND
2. I am a supporter of the EU
3. You have nothing good to say about your own country
4. You call people traitors even though you seem not to know the meaning of the word
5. You expect people to answer your questions but you ignore people's question, thus you want to control people!
6. You knowledge of English and British history is poor/non-existant and yet you call yourself a patriot!
7. You have still not said anything positive about being English/British

Therefore all you have proved is that you like to moan and try to belittle people and never have anything good to say.


Now what was it you said in another thread?

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But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain!

So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England????

Doesn't only a racist say something like that?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Edwards[/bold] wrote: John Edwards wrote: England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day. I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing. Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English? I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year -------------------- --- I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.[/p][/quote]I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games. If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal. I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated![/p][/quote]Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..[/p][/quote]Sovereign - sounds as though you are a monarchist. Now is that the monarchy we have which is predominantly German with Prince Philip being Greek? Yes even our monarchy is pan-European with relatives in the Spanish, Dutch and Swedish monarchy. So it sounds to me that we are definitely part of a wider European picture than you want us to be!!! But again this has nothing to do with PATRIOTISM, as all this is POLITICAL!!! You are the 2nd person to call me a traitor. If you really think I am then report me and get me shot - lets not forget that the death penalty still exists for traitors of the Crown!!! But lets see the facts of my patriotism..... Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot? Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do? Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's? Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it? Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them? Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country? Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!! But once again you have shown yourself up not knowing your subject! And still you have said nothing positive about this great country ours and you call yourself patriotic!!!![/p][/quote]I think i have proved my point & i think most will agree you are no more a Patriot then i am Pro EU. You are outed and i think have some serious mental health issues.[/p][/quote]What have you proved? 1. I am a patriot of ENGLAND 2. I am a supporter of the EU 3. You have nothing good to say about your own country 4. You call people traitors even though you seem not to know the meaning of the word 5. You expect people to answer your questions but you ignore people's question, thus you want to control people! 6. You knowledge of English and British history is poor/non-existant and yet you call yourself a patriot! 7. You have still not said anything positive about being English/British Therefore all you have proved is that you like to moan and try to belittle people and never have anything good to say. Now what was it you said in another thread? "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain! So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England???? Doesn't only a racist say something like that? The Righteous One
  • Score: -13

2:25pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas

What are you so ashamed of being English/British and why do you never have anything good to say about your country of birth (if it is)?
Thomas What are you so ashamed of being English/British and why do you never have anything good to say about your country of birth (if it is)? The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

2:26pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
John Edwards wrote:
England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day.
I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing.

Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English?

I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year
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---

I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.
I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games.

If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal.

I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated!
Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..
Sovereign - sounds as though you are a monarchist.

Now is that the monarchy we have which is predominantly German with Prince Philip being Greek?

Yes even our monarchy is pan-European with relatives in the Spanish, Dutch and Swedish monarchy. So it sounds to me that we are definitely part of a wider European picture than you want us to be!!!

But again this has nothing to do with PATRIOTISM, as all this is POLITICAL!!!

You are the 2nd person to call me a traitor. If you really think I am then report me and get me shot - lets not forget that the death penalty still exists for traitors of the Crown!!!

But lets see the facts of my patriotism.....

Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot?

Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do?

Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's?

Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it?

Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them?

Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country?

Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!!



But once again you have shown yourself up not knowing your subject!

And still you have said nothing positive about this great country ours and you call yourself patriotic!!!!
I think i have proved my point & i think most will agree you are no more a Patriot then i am Pro EU. You are outed and i think have some serious mental health issues.
What have you proved?

1. I am a patriot of ENGLAND
2. I am a supporter of the EU
3. You have nothing good to say about your own country
4. You call people traitors even though you seem not to know the meaning of the word
5. You expect people to answer your questions but you ignore people's question, thus you want to control people!
6. You knowledge of English and British history is poor/non-existant and yet you call yourself a patriot!
7. You have still not said anything positive about being English/British

Therefore all you have proved is that you like to moan and try to belittle people and never have anything good to say.


Now what was it you said in another thread?

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton

news.co.uk/news/1114

2838._High_street_sh

ops_are_doing_better

_than_retail_parks__

_says_report/?ref=mc



But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain!

So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England????

Doesn't only a racist say something like that?
Crack on!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Edwards[/bold] wrote: John Edwards wrote: England has long lost it's culture, we have and still do allow this country to be taken over by immigrants saying that we are being racist. Anybody regardless of colour or creed should obey the laws of this land. But do they "no" we are the racist in our own country. The Union Flag should fly daily about all government buildings. I may be an old F*rt, but I remember buildings and all local mills flying our once (dare I say it) great nations flag. My "St Georges" flag will fly above my house from 06.00 hrs until 18.00 hrs on Wednesday next, "St Georges" day. I salute you sir, but would I ask you one thing. Your patriotism for England, was it taught in school or in the family home by parents who were also proud to be English? I too will be flying the St Georges Cross high and proud, like I do every year -------------------- --- I was born and brought up during WW11. Being a patriot was the done thing without thinking about it. We naturally stood for the National Anthem at the end of the film in the picture houses, as I will still stand for it today. It is time we took England / UK back and try to bring our lost culture back. The government has allowed our culture to be lost for the fear of being called racist, I would like to know who is the, and who has caused racism. After WW11 we had many nationalities here without any problem, so why today and since the 70s.[/p][/quote]I partially agree with you and I also stand for the national anthem when it is played before kick-off of the international games. If anything I believe it has nothing to do with political correctness or any other of that claptrap but laziness by some. It is the same people that bring down this country as those who are too lazy to work and expect to be paid to stay at home and live of the benefits. In reality they are the minority but they get so much press that many think it is normal. I would say that the majority of people do still stand for the anthem and seen it many times in bars when watching the football. But like you, and I, patriotism is something we learn from at an early age and its from our own family and any sort of teaching patriotism will never work because it cannot be formally taught or indoctrinated![/p][/quote]Your a plastic patriot who wants to give his Country away to a European super state. A real Patriot is someone who feels a strong support for their Country & wants to keep it Sovereign, you want the total opposite so your not a Patriot your more of a traitor..[/p][/quote]Sovereign - sounds as though you are a monarchist. Now is that the monarchy we have which is predominantly German with Prince Philip being Greek? Yes even our monarchy is pan-European with relatives in the Spanish, Dutch and Swedish monarchy. So it sounds to me that we are definitely part of a wider European picture than you want us to be!!! But again this has nothing to do with PATRIOTISM, as all this is POLITICAL!!! You are the 2nd person to call me a traitor. If you really think I am then report me and get me shot - lets not forget that the death penalty still exists for traitors of the Crown!!! But lets see the facts of my patriotism..... Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot? Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do? Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's? Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it? Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them? Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country? Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!! But once again you have shown yourself up not knowing your subject! And still you have said nothing positive about this great country ours and you call yourself patriotic!!!![/p][/quote]I think i have proved my point & i think most will agree you are no more a Patriot then i am Pro EU. You are outed and i think have some serious mental health issues.[/p][/quote]What have you proved? 1. I am a patriot of ENGLAND 2. I am a supporter of the EU 3. You have nothing good to say about your own country 4. You call people traitors even though you seem not to know the meaning of the word 5. You expect people to answer your questions but you ignore people's question, thus you want to control people! 6. You knowledge of English and British history is poor/non-existant and yet you call yourself a patriot! 7. You have still not said anything positive about being English/British Therefore all you have proved is that you like to moan and try to belittle people and never have anything good to say. Now what was it you said in another thread? "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain! So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England???? Doesn't only a racist say something like that?[/p][/quote]Crack on! thomas222
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Mick England says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote: Maybe they should adopt the same idea in Birmingham where the muslims have done their very best to islamify 25 schools, by bullying white school governors and parents? It's all taqiyya!
But this is being investigated with the string possibility of court action.. So it doesn't work and never will!!!
The point isn't whether it will work or not, the ones crying racism all the time are the ones who are the biggest most bigoted cavemen of all! Plus it's the thought that counts!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should adopt the same idea in Birmingham where the muslims have done their very best to islamify 25 schools, by bullying white school governors and parents? It's all taqiyya![/p][/quote]But this is being investigated with the string possibility of court action.. So it doesn't work and never will!!![/p][/quote]The point isn't whether it will work or not, the ones crying racism all the time are the ones who are the biggest most bigoted cavemen of all! Plus it's the thought that counts! Mick England
  • Score: 4

2:35pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton

news.co.uk/news/1114

2838._High_street_sh

ops_are_doing_better

_than_retail_parks__

_says_report/?ref=mc



But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain!

So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England????

Doesn't only a racist say something like that?

The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist

racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary)


Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!!
Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!!
Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain! So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England???? Doesn't only a racist say something like that? The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary) Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!! Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -10

2:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Mick England wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote: Maybe they should adopt the same idea in Birmingham where the muslims have done their very best to islamify 25 schools, by bullying white school governors and parents? It's all taqiyya!
But this is being investigated with the string possibility of court action.. So it doesn't work and never will!!!
The point isn't whether it will work or not, the ones crying racism all the time are the ones who are the biggest most bigoted cavemen of all! Plus it's the thought that counts!
In one way that is true but the same could be said with various religious influence in Church schools as well. For instance why is the CofE and RC allowed to run schools and basically indoctrinate the children with the various religious scriptures from both the old and new testaments and the separate, but similar, bibles of the more new modern era!

This is why I believe that schools should be free of religious control and ought to be only state operated and either teach no religion or all religions with children not being allowed to leave class if their "faith" is against it!
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should adopt the same idea in Birmingham where the muslims have done their very best to islamify 25 schools, by bullying white school governors and parents? It's all taqiyya![/p][/quote]But this is being investigated with the string possibility of court action.. So it doesn't work and never will!!![/p][/quote]The point isn't whether it will work or not, the ones crying racism all the time are the ones who are the biggest most bigoted cavemen of all! Plus it's the thought that counts![/p][/quote]In one way that is true but the same could be said with various religious influence in Church schools as well. For instance why is the CofE and RC allowed to run schools and basically indoctrinate the children with the various religious scriptures from both the old and new testaments and the separate, but similar, bibles of the more new modern era! This is why I believe that schools should be free of religious control and ought to be only state operated and either teach no religion or all religions with children not being allowed to leave class if their "faith" is against it! The Righteous One
  • Score: -16

2:52pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton


news.co.uk/news/1114


2838._High_street_sh


ops_are_doing_better


_than_retail_parks__


_says_report/?ref=mc




But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain!

So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England????

Doesn't only a racist say something like that?

The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist

racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary)


Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!!
Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!!
Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain! So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England???? Doesn't only a racist say something like that? The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary) Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!! Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!![/p][/quote]Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot. thomas222
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton



news.co.uk/news/1114



2838._High_street_sh



ops_are_doing_better



_than_retail_parks__



_says_report/?ref=mc





But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain!

So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England????

Doesn't only a racist say something like that?

The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist

racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary)


Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!!
Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!!
Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.
Thomas,

Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!!

Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!!

Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain! So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England???? Doesn't only a racist say something like that? The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary) Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!! Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!![/p][/quote]Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.[/p][/quote]Thomas, Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!! Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!! Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it? Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex? The Righteous One
  • Score: -31

3:03pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton




news.co.uk/news/1114




2838._High_street_sh




ops_are_doing_better




_than_retail_parks__




_says_report/?ref=mc






But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain!

So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England????

Doesn't only a racist say something like that?

The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist

racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary)


Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!!
Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!!
Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.
Thomas,

Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!!

Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!!

Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex?
I was just showing you the way things are going to become.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain! So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England???? Doesn't only a racist say something like that? The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary) Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!! Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!![/p][/quote]Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.[/p][/quote]Thomas, Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!! Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!! Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it? Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex?[/p][/quote]I was just showing you the way things are going to become. thomas222
  • Score: 11

3:04pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas

Why are you so ashamed of being English/British and why do you never have anything good to say about your country of birth (if it is)?
Thomas Why are you so ashamed of being English/British and why do you never have anything good to say about your country of birth (if it is)? The Righteous One
  • Score: -20

3:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways!

Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!!

The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.
So that means that anybody born on the British Isles is British, you can't have it both ways.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways! Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!! The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.[/p][/quote]So that means that anybody born on the British Isles is British, you can't have it both ways. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -2

3:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mdavies11 says...

I still haven't really read a reason to be against this. ( Only trifling points about whether countries' anthems are sung daily or weekly.)
I still haven't really read a reason to be against this. ( Only trifling points about whether countries' anthems are sung daily or weekly.) mdavies11
  • Score: -2

3:35pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton





news.co.uk/news/1114





2838._High_street_sh





ops_are_doing_better





_than_retail_parks__





_says_report/?ref=mc







But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain!

So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England????

Doesn't only a racist say something like that?

The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist

racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary)


Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!!
Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!!
Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.
Thomas,

Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!!

Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!!

Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex?
I was just showing you the way things are going to become.
Going to become, in what way?

I have already stated facts that there are very few UKIP councillors, in fact you keep harking about 33 councillors in London who have changed allegiance to UKIP - but out of how many London councillors?

Fact is I could go out onto the town hall square right now and protest about Deutsche Bahn taking over Arriva Trains!!! But that is just what it is a protest - nothing more and nothing less. Just like those who protested against ATOS and those anti-frackers in Salford (who actually ran out of gas and water and accepted handouts from the fracking company!!!!)

But you didn't answer my two-part question, which I will repeat....

Was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

Thus showing what UKIP is actually wrong as the EU does help various people in the UK, financially, even if it is to go against themselves!!!! Therefore it is a lie to say we get nothing back from our membership of being in the EU!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain! So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England???? Doesn't only a racist say something like that? The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary) Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!! Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!![/p][/quote]Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.[/p][/quote]Thomas, Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!! Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!! Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it? Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex?[/p][/quote]I was just showing you the way things are going to become.[/p][/quote]Going to become, in what way? I have already stated facts that there are very few UKIP councillors, in fact you keep harking about 33 councillors in London who have changed allegiance to UKIP - but out of how many London councillors? Fact is I could go out onto the town hall square right now and protest about Deutsche Bahn taking over Arriva Trains!!! But that is just what it is a protest - nothing more and nothing less. Just like those who protested against ATOS and those anti-frackers in Salford (who actually ran out of gas and water and accepted handouts from the fracking company!!!!) But you didn't answer my two-part question, which I will repeat.... Was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it? Thus showing what UKIP is actually wrong as the EU does help various people in the UK, financially, even if it is to go against themselves!!!! Therefore it is a lie to say we get nothing back from our membership of being in the EU!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

3:40pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways!

Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!!

The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.
So that means that anybody born on the British Isles is British, you can't have it both ways.
I was just stating that it is a term that is misued, if you re-read my comment thoroughly!

Because one could actually say that someone from the Republic of Ireland is British - but would anyone actually say that? Because we al know the British Isles consist of the whole of Ireland (as in Republic and Northern) as well as The Channel Islands, Isle of Man, England, Scotland, Wales and about 6000 small islands!!!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Have I said anything bad about the US Culture? No I haven't but I am English and proud to be English and our culture is far different than that of the US Culture - only similarity is the closeness of our language and then it is still different in many ways! Have I said anything about the Mexicans, Canadians, Surinaamese, Bazilians? Nope but they are American just as much as the US Citizens!!! The term American refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of America, just as much as European is any citizen that is/was in the continent of Europe (whether inside the EU or not), just as much as African refers to any citizen that is/was born in the continent of Africa.[/p][/quote]So that means that anybody born on the British Isles is British, you can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]I was just stating that it is a term that is misued, if you re-read my comment thoroughly! Because one could actually say that someone from the Republic of Ireland is British - but would anyone actually say that? Because we al know the British Isles consist of the whole of Ireland (as in Republic and Northern) as well as The Channel Islands, Isle of Man, England, Scotland, Wales and about 6000 small islands!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -18

3:44pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton





news.co.uk/news/1114





2838._High_street_sh





ops_are_doing_better





_than_retail_parks__





_says_report/?ref=mc







But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain!

So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England????

Doesn't only a racist say something like that?

The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist

racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary)


Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!!
Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!!
Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.
Thomas,

Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!!

Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!!

Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex?
I was just showing you the way things are going to become.
S that means UKIP are going to start protesting on anything and everything that is the EU - including their own working conditions?

What next if that doesn't work, become militant and start using incendiary devices and become the modern day version of the IRA and will not stop until either UK pulls out of the EU or there is some sort of Easter Agreement?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc But taking into consideration his wife is German, his mistress is also not British and he has 3 properties, including a medium sized castle, in various EU countries as well as having 3 properties in Britain! So why did you say that again, considering I am born English and I live in England???? Doesn't only a racist say something like that? The link is there for everyone to link into and see your actual post in which you are blatantly racist against the Muslim sector of the community and before you say it isn't being racist - lets see the universal term of the words racist racist = discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion (Oxford English Dictionary) Yet again you have turned a good decent debate into one of your doing of making it political, when it wasn't about politics and no matter how many times you had been told by me and others you continued to make it political!!!! Whilst you contribute you racial and personal slurs against a poster!!![/p][/quote]Google.... UKIPS Essex county councillors stage protest against flying the Eu flag.... Thats a patriot.[/p][/quote]Thomas, Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!! Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!! Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it? Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex?[/p][/quote]I was just showing you the way things are going to become.[/p][/quote]S that means UKIP are going to start protesting on anything and everything that is the EU - including their own working conditions? What next if that doesn't work, become militant and start using incendiary devices and become the modern day version of the IRA and will not stop until either UK pulls out of the EU or there is some sort of Easter Agreement? The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

3:54pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas,

As you have turned this thread into a Pro UKIP/Anti EU thread - yet again, thus spoiling for those who wanted to comment sensible.

You HAVE to answer this question.
Why is it in the "UKIP in Bolton" Facebook page more than 50% of the "fans/friends" are actually not based in Bolton and have no association in Bolton?
Is this the undemocratic way of saying it is popular in Bolton?
Thomas, As you have turned this thread into a Pro UKIP/Anti EU thread - yet again, thus spoiling for those who wanted to comment sensible. You HAVE to answer this question. Why is it in the "UKIP in Bolton" Facebook page more than 50% of the "fans/friends" are actually not based in Bolton and have no association in Bolton? Is this the undemocratic way of saying it is popular in Bolton? The Righteous One
  • Score: -49

4:13pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 23

4:13pm Wed 16 Apr 14

ajonedca says...

Here in Alberta CA, the Canadian flag is everywhere, flying beside the Province flag. The Oh Canada anthem sung with so much pride.
Here in Alberta CA, the Canadian flag is everywhere, flying beside the Province flag. The Oh Canada anthem sung with so much pride. ajonedca
  • Score: 0

4:18pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mdavies11 says...

I just checked on ebay and you can buy a 20ft flagpole with 2 flags for £39.99. With free delivery! (Some assembly required).

Imagine the kids having a weekly assembly and singing the anthem and other British songs - Hearts of Oak etc. Heartwarming and it would build real community spirit, not the fake council type.
I just checked on ebay and you can buy a 20ft flagpole with 2 flags for £39.99. With free delivery! (Some assembly required). Imagine the kids having a weekly assembly and singing the anthem and other British songs - Hearts of Oak etc. Heartwarming and it would build real community spirit, not the fake council type. mdavies11
  • Score: -1

4:21pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

mdavies11 wrote:
I just checked on ebay and you can buy a 20ft flagpole with 2 flags for £39.99. With free delivery! (Some assembly required).

Imagine the kids having a weekly assembly and singing the anthem and other British songs - Hearts of Oak etc. Heartwarming and it would build real community spirit, not the fake council type.
Brilliant. I'm going to order 2 sets for the front and rear gardens.
[quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: I just checked on ebay and you can buy a 20ft flagpole with 2 flags for £39.99. With free delivery! (Some assembly required). Imagine the kids having a weekly assembly and singing the anthem and other British songs - Hearts of Oak etc. Heartwarming and it would build real community spirit, not the fake council type.[/p][/quote]Brilliant. I'm going to order 2 sets for the front and rear gardens. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -1

4:25pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
Is it because I say the truth and you don't like the truth.

All I am trying to do is show the whole picture of not one small bit of it!

That is what is wrong with this country we are so easily enticed by one small part of the picture which is very misleading, as it could be completely different to what the whole picture actually is - best example being is the Catchphrase "Snake Charmer" whilst Roy Walker was presenter. Most people thinking its one thing and only until the full picture is shown that something is seen!!!

In other words this country is nowhere near as bad as some are saying on this thread - sure its not as rosey as what The Conservatives are saying and nowhere near as bad as what UKIP are saying but it is somewhere in the centre!!!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.[/p][/quote]Is it because I say the truth and you don't like the truth. All I am trying to do is show the whole picture of not one small bit of it! That is what is wrong with this country we are so easily enticed by one small part of the picture which is very misleading, as it could be completely different to what the whole picture actually is - best example being is the Catchphrase "Snake Charmer" whilst Roy Walker was presenter. Most people thinking its one thing and only until the full picture is shown that something is seen!!! In other words this country is nowhere near as bad as some are saying on this thread - sure its not as rosey as what The Conservatives are saying and nowhere near as bad as what UKIP are saying but it is somewhere in the centre!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

4:33pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!!

Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not!

Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs.

As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.[/p][/quote]You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!! Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not! Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs. As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -31

4:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!!

Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not!

Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs.

As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)
Whatever.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.[/p][/quote]You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!! Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not! Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs. As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)[/p][/quote]Whatever. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -3

4:41pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mdavies11 wrote:
I still haven't really read a reason to be against this. ( Only trifling points about whether countries' anthems are sung daily or weekly.)
I haven't read any reason to be for this. (only trifling points about hartwarming singing and/or whether it bring community spirit - in a school???????)
[quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: I still haven't really read a reason to be against this. ( Only trifling points about whether countries' anthems are sung daily or weekly.)[/p][/quote]I haven't read any reason to be for this. (only trifling points about hartwarming singing and/or whether it bring community spirit - in a school???????) The Righteous One
  • Score: -27

4:44pm Wed 16 Apr 14

JWD says...

My! This issue has really released all the pent-up jingoistic feelings of the British population!
It ignores, however, one simple fact, namely that the council can no longer dictate what schools provide in their curriculum, and even less in their assemblies...
My! This issue has really released all the pent-up jingoistic feelings of the British population! It ignores, however, one simple fact, namely that the council can no longer dictate what schools provide in their curriculum, and even less in their assemblies... JWD
  • Score: -26

4:48pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!!

Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not!

Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs.

As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)
Whatever.
That was so US saying "Whatever"!!!!

Blimey "Americaisation" is worse that first anticipated, next you'll be saying faucets instead of taps! and replacing "s" with a "z" in words that end in "sation"


Oh And by the way, for cheap flag and flag poles forget eBay (why help pay money for a US website that doesn't pay taxes in the UK?)! But a more home grown company in Cheetham Hill that does them cheaper than that and they are on the web! They are based in an industrial unit on St Mark's Lane!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.[/p][/quote]You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!! Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not! Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs. As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)[/p][/quote]Whatever.[/p][/quote]That was so US saying "Whatever"!!!! Blimey "Americaisation" is worse that first anticipated, next you'll be saying faucets instead of taps! and replacing "s" with a "z" in words that end in "sation" Oh And by the way, for cheap flag and flag poles forget eBay (why help pay money for a US website that doesn't pay taxes in the UK?)! But a more home grown company in Cheetham Hill that does them cheaper than that and they are on the web! They are based in an industrial unit on St Mark's Lane! The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

5:04pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mdavies11 says...

You could organise a "referendum" in each school and so let the kiddies decide for themselves. They could do speeches for or against and learn about elections and the history of democracy in this country, ( it started in 1432, when Henry VI gave some people a vote)

So the "fors" would talk about community. The "antis" could accuse everyone of racism, which is what they enjoy doing.
You could organise a "referendum" in each school and so let the kiddies decide for themselves. They could do speeches for or against and learn about elections and the history of democracy in this country, ( it started in 1432, when Henry VI gave some people a vote) So the "fors" would talk about community. The "antis" could accuse everyone of racism, which is what they enjoy doing. mdavies11
  • Score: 2

5:07pm Wed 16 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

I can't imagine driving up Daubhill and seeing the British Flag being flown with pride. I think there would be less anger towards certain communities if they let a "little Britain" in to their lives.
I can't imagine driving up Daubhill and seeing the British Flag being flown with pride. I think there would be less anger towards certain communities if they let a "little Britain" in to their lives. BlueRay79
  • Score: 37

5:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mdavies11 says...

Dear Mr Peacock here are my answers to your questions:

Who will pay for these new flag poles and flags?
£39.99 including free delivery.

In the already packed school day, is there time for the national anthem to be sung?
I'm not joking but we had regular "personal care" lessons in how to wash your face and such things, scrap that for a start. Or just do it at the beginning and end of term.

Does Cllr Dean want this to lead to us all 'pledging allegiance to the flag' as in America?
No.

If Cllr Dean believes this should be the priority for our schools, then I'm worried.
Why? The most salient observation about the UK and the most urgent priority is healing fractured communities and uniting under our common flag.

Raising the union flag won't raise standards — that should be our priority.
Except when schoolchildren are used as captive audiences for propaganda to tackle obesity, climate change, inequality, homophobia, racism. Lots of stuff irrelevant to academic achievement is crammed into a school day already.

Reading Mr Peacock's arguments he's obviously clutching at straws. I suspect he does not really know why he is against the idea. Probably emotional or subconscious memories of 1970s skinhead documentaries.
Dear Mr Peacock here are my answers to your questions: Who will pay for these new flag poles and flags? £39.99 including free delivery. In the already packed school day, is there time for the national anthem to be sung? I'm not joking but we had regular "personal care" lessons in how to wash your face and such things, scrap that for a start. Or just do it at the beginning and end of term. Does Cllr Dean want this to lead to us all 'pledging allegiance to the flag' as in America? No. If Cllr Dean believes this should be the priority for our schools, then I'm worried. Why? The most salient observation about the UK and the most urgent priority is healing fractured communities and uniting under our common flag. Raising the union flag won't raise standards — that should be our priority. Except when schoolchildren are used as captive audiences for propaganda to tackle obesity, climate change, inequality, homophobia, racism. Lots of stuff irrelevant to academic achievement is crammed into a school day already. Reading Mr Peacock's arguments he's obviously clutching at straws. I suspect he does not really know why he is against the idea. Probably emotional or subconscious memories of 1970s skinhead documentaries. mdavies11
  • Score: -2

5:27pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mdavies11 wrote:
Dear Mr Peacock here are my answers to your questions:

Who will pay for these new flag poles and flags?
£39.99 including free delivery.

In the already packed school day, is there time for the national anthem to be sung?
I'm not joking but we had regular "personal care" lessons in how to wash your face and such things, scrap that for a start. Or just do it at the beginning and end of term.

Does Cllr Dean want this to lead to us all 'pledging allegiance to the flag' as in America?
No.

If Cllr Dean believes this should be the priority for our schools, then I'm worried.
Why? The most salient observation about the UK and the most urgent priority is healing fractured communities and uniting under our common flag.

Raising the union flag won't raise standards — that should be our priority.
Except when schoolchildren are used as captive audiences for propaganda to tackle obesity, climate change, inequality, homophobia, racism. Lots of stuff irrelevant to academic achievement is crammed into a school day already.

Reading Mr Peacock's arguments he's obviously clutching at straws. I suspect he does not really know why he is against the idea. Probably emotional or subconscious memories of 1970s skinhead documentaries.
Still not found out whether doing this would actually be of any use or good?

For all those who say it is good, were you "taught" on how to be patriotic at school or was that outside school?

As it is the Council cannot decide what is done in schools or their assemblies as the curriculum is set by Central Government and there are strict guidelines when it comes to assemblies which haven't changed since 1974!!!
[quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: Dear Mr Peacock here are my answers to your questions: Who will pay for these new flag poles and flags? £39.99 including free delivery. In the already packed school day, is there time for the national anthem to be sung? I'm not joking but we had regular "personal care" lessons in how to wash your face and such things, scrap that for a start. Or just do it at the beginning and end of term. Does Cllr Dean want this to lead to us all 'pledging allegiance to the flag' as in America? No. If Cllr Dean believes this should be the priority for our schools, then I'm worried. Why? The most salient observation about the UK and the most urgent priority is healing fractured communities and uniting under our common flag. Raising the union flag won't raise standards — that should be our priority. Except when schoolchildren are used as captive audiences for propaganda to tackle obesity, climate change, inequality, homophobia, racism. Lots of stuff irrelevant to academic achievement is crammed into a school day already. Reading Mr Peacock's arguments he's obviously clutching at straws. I suspect he does not really know why he is against the idea. Probably emotional or subconscious memories of 1970s skinhead documentaries.[/p][/quote]Still not found out whether doing this would actually be of any use or good? For all those who say it is good, were you "taught" on how to be patriotic at school or was that outside school? As it is the Council cannot decide what is done in schools or their assemblies as the curriculum is set by Central Government and there are strict guidelines when it comes to assemblies which haven't changed since 1974!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -42

5:33pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!!

Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not!

Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs.

As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)
Whatever.
That was so US saying "Whatever"!!!!

Blimey "Americaisation" is worse that first anticipated, next you'll be saying faucets instead of taps! and replacing "s" with a "z" in words that end in "sation"


Oh And by the way, for cheap flag and flag poles forget eBay (why help pay money for a US website that doesn't pay taxes in the UK?)! But a more home grown company in Cheetham Hill that does them cheaper than that and they are on the web! They are based in an industrial unit on St Mark's Lane!
Whatever.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.[/p][/quote]You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!! Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not! Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs. As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)[/p][/quote]Whatever.[/p][/quote]That was so US saying "Whatever"!!!! Blimey "Americaisation" is worse that first anticipated, next you'll be saying faucets instead of taps! and replacing "s" with a "z" in words that end in "sation" Oh And by the way, for cheap flag and flag poles forget eBay (why help pay money for a US website that doesn't pay taxes in the UK?)! But a more home grown company in Cheetham Hill that does them cheaper than that and they are on the web! They are based in an industrial unit on St Mark's Lane![/p][/quote]Whatever. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -30

5:40pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!!

Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not!

Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs.

As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)
Whatever.
That was so US saying "Whatever"!!!!

Blimey "Americaisation" is worse that first anticipated, next you'll be saying faucets instead of taps! and replacing "s" with a "z" in words that end in "sation"


Oh And by the way, for cheap flag and flag poles forget eBay (why help pay money for a US website that doesn't pay taxes in the UK?)! But a more home grown company in Cheetham Hill that does them cheaper than that and they are on the web! They are based in an industrial unit on St Mark's Lane!
Whatever.
Whatever the weather, whenever the weather, whatever the weather will be!

Goes to show you are not really that interested then., and thus showing no sign on patriotism! Wouldn't surprise me if you were on of the 5 that were deleted only 2 weeks ago - seen just as obstinate as them!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.[/p][/quote]You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!! Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not! Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs. As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)[/p][/quote]Whatever.[/p][/quote]That was so US saying "Whatever"!!!! Blimey "Americaisation" is worse that first anticipated, next you'll be saying faucets instead of taps! and replacing "s" with a "z" in words that end in "sation" Oh And by the way, for cheap flag and flag poles forget eBay (why help pay money for a US website that doesn't pay taxes in the UK?)! But a more home grown company in Cheetham Hill that does them cheaper than that and they are on the web! They are based in an industrial unit on St Mark's Lane![/p][/quote]Whatever.[/p][/quote]Whatever the weather, whenever the weather, whatever the weather will be! Goes to show you are not really that interested then., and thus showing no sign on patriotism! Wouldn't surprise me if you were on of the 5 that were deleted only 2 weeks ago - seen just as obstinate as them! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

5:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

George X. says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!!

Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not!

Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs.

As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)
I'd rather see one point of view actually rather than the ramblings of an insane person.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.[/p][/quote]You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!! Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not! Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs. As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)[/p][/quote]I'd rather see one point of view actually rather than the ramblings of an insane person. George X.
  • Score: 4

6:02pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile.
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Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.
Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile. . Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 1

6:10pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.
You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!!

Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not!

Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs.

As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)
I'd rather see one point of view actually rather than the ramblings of an insane person.
Welcome back, again, George X. How was your few days off after being deleted, yet again, due to your constant breaking of the rules and constant abuse towards one poster.

I see you till haven't learned as your first post back, yet again, has done nothing but abuse a poster!
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This thread is sad. Why do you pander to this righteous one fella FFS? He'd swear black was white so why bother taking him on? Leave him alone and debate with all the others. He seems to hijack every thread. Don't let him.[/p][/quote]You will find that it was Thomas that hijacked this thread with his UKIP tripe and wanting to show no matter what UKIP is the party to vote for - even though they are a contradiction!!!!! Not wanting to be part of EU but taking money from the EU to do the protesting!!! Plus Farage claiming over £2million is 2009 for his wife and so called mistress and not to mention the more £60,000 for so called party politics, and yet Farage is always the first to condemn anyone who does the exact same thing!!! Or are you one of those people that would rather see one point of view on these threads and not allow any other, thus showing that the town and country is in disarray, when it is not! Fact is this thread was doing well debating as to whether it is a patriotic company or not until Thomas decided to throw a dummy out of his pram and start his "normal everyday" rant against me and start throwing UKIP this that and the other!!! So what do you want me to do,, say yes you win UKIP are the greatest or stick up for my own political and patriotic beliefs. As it is Thomas never mentioned anything good or patriotic about this country or about himself and just showed how nasty he can be, and his racist side, although he doesn't know me, or my colour of skin at all (for the record I am White English and Bolton born and bred with a long line in British family history!)[/p][/quote]I'd rather see one point of view actually rather than the ramblings of an insane person.[/p][/quote]Welcome back, again, George X. How was your few days off after being deleted, yet again, due to your constant breaking of the rules and constant abuse towards one poster. I see you till haven't learned as your first post back, yet again, has done nothing but abuse a poster! The Righteous One
  • Score: -11

6:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile.
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Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.
Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this!

In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile. . Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.[/p][/quote]Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this! In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party! The Righteous One
  • Score: -19

6:30pm Wed 16 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile.
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Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.
Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this!

In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party!
Debate is good but more often than not it ends up as off topic tit for tat arguing and that results in posts being removed and certain articles with no comments allowed as the BN know exactly what will happen.
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Back on topic
Can you give a good reason why schools should not fly the Union Flag?
I am on the fence about the National Anthem so can't give an opinion about that at the moment. :)
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile. . Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.[/p][/quote]Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this! In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party![/p][/quote]Debate is good but more often than not it ends up as off topic tit for tat arguing and that results in posts being removed and certain articles with no comments allowed as the BN know exactly what will happen. . Back on topic Can you give a good reason why schools should not fly the Union Flag? I am on the fence about the National Anthem so can't give an opinion about that at the moment. :) mr.mark.c
  • Score: -3

6:53pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 20

7:08pm Wed 16 Apr 14

English Democrats says...

Obviously Cllr Dean is a little out of touch with how people are feeling in England, the issue of National Identity which is what will be politically significant in the growth of political English Nationalism, the statistics were that those who stated their "National Identity" to be “English Only” were 32,007,983 (60.4%); “English and British” were 4,820,818 (9.1%); no English element of national identity 15,834,059 (29.9%); Welsh identity 409,582; Scottish identity 555,171; Northern Irish 142,683; those that claimed "British Only" national identity 10,171,834 (19.2%); Irish identity 376,866; “Other identities” 4,921,225 (8.3%).

On English public buildings the English flag should be flown, not the flag of a political union which treats one member of the union less favourably than the others.
Obviously Cllr Dean is a little out of touch with how people are feeling in England, the issue of National Identity which is what will be politically significant in the growth of political English Nationalism, the statistics were that those who stated their "National Identity" to be “English Only” were 32,007,983 (60.4%); “English and British” were 4,820,818 (9.1%); no English element of national identity 15,834,059 (29.9%); Welsh identity 409,582; Scottish identity 555,171; Northern Irish 142,683; those that claimed "British Only" national identity 10,171,834 (19.2%); Irish identity 376,866; “Other identities” 4,921,225 (8.3%). On English public buildings the English flag should be flown, not the flag of a political union which treats one member of the union less favourably than the others. English Democrats
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions! The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

7:35pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor... thomas222
  • Score: 1

7:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile.
.
Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.
Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this!

In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party!
Debate is good but more often than not it ends up as off topic tit for tat arguing and that results in posts being removed and certain articles with no comments allowed as the BN know exactly what will happen.
.
Back on topic
Can you give a good reason why schools should not fly the Union Flag?
I am on the fence about the National Anthem so can't give an opinion about that at the moment. :)
Can you give a good reason as to why they should fly the flag?

Never did me any harm not have the flag flown outside all my schools and Universities! I am as patriotic as they come stand up at every national anthem, proud to sings Englands praises given the chance, support our armed forces, although I may not agree tor the reasons why, support our athletes and proud of our history and the history our country will make!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile. . Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.[/p][/quote]Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this! In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party![/p][/quote]Debate is good but more often than not it ends up as off topic tit for tat arguing and that results in posts being removed and certain articles with no comments allowed as the BN know exactly what will happen. . Back on topic Can you give a good reason why schools should not fly the Union Flag? I am on the fence about the National Anthem so can't give an opinion about that at the moment. :)[/p][/quote]Can you give a good reason as to why they should fly the flag? Never did me any harm not have the flag flown outside all my schools and Universities! I am as patriotic as they come stand up at every national anthem, proud to sings Englands praises given the chance, support our armed forces, although I may not agree tor the reasons why, support our athletes and proud of our history and the history our country will make! The Righteous One
  • Score: -4

7:45pm Wed 16 Apr 14

wsw69 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Its only because they are worried people are turning to UKIP to protest.

What he says and what happens are totally different things.

No doubt he will still be rubber stamping building applications for his friends despite what the local community think, prime example Hennon Street Labour Club.

Will still allow more corner shops to sell alcohol lowering the prices of the local community,

Will still allow people visiting the mosque to park any where they like disrupting the local traffic (Friday Afternoon Halliwell Road,Blackburn Road)

Will still allocate new housing project for immigrants only (Brownlow Way).
Bitter and twisted comes to mind. What a load of tripe and utter b**lox you blurt out at times.At times it comes across that life may have been wasted on you Jim271.

I 100% support this idea. Because of political correctness, racial correctness, jobsworths up and down the land terrified of upsetting minority groups, it's no wonder we are losing our identity and patriotism.

I shall fly my Union Flag when I want and where I want. I'll 'sing' the national anthem when I want and where I want. And if no one likes it, or disapproves of it, then they can swivel.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Its only because they are worried people are turning to UKIP to protest. What he says and what happens are totally different things. No doubt he will still be rubber stamping building applications for his friends despite what the local community think, prime example Hennon Street Labour Club. Will still allow more corner shops to sell alcohol lowering the prices of the local community, Will still allow people visiting the mosque to park any where they like disrupting the local traffic (Friday Afternoon Halliwell Road,Blackburn Road) Will still allocate new housing project for immigrants only (Brownlow Way).[/p][/quote]Bitter and twisted comes to mind. What a load of tripe and utter b**lox you blurt out at times.At times it comes across that life may have been wasted on you Jim271. I 100% support this idea. Because of political correctness, racial correctness, jobsworths up and down the land terrified of upsetting minority groups, it's no wonder we are losing our identity and patriotism. I shall fly my Union Flag when I want and where I want. I'll 'sing' the national anthem when I want and where I want. And if no one likes it, or disapproves of it, then they can swivel. wsw69
  • Score: 4

7:55pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/1114
2838._High_street_sh
ops_are_doing_better
_than_retail_parks__
_says_report/?ref=mc


You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -14

7:59pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile.
.
Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.
Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this!

In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party!
Debate is good but more often than not it ends up as off topic tit for tat arguing and that results in posts being removed and certain articles with no comments allowed as the BN know exactly what will happen.
.
Back on topic
Can you give a good reason why schools should not fly the Union Flag?
I am on the fence about the National Anthem so can't give an opinion about that at the moment. :)
Can you give a good reason as to why they should fly the flag?

Never did me any harm not have the flag flown outside all my schools and Universities! I am as patriotic as they come stand up at every national anthem, proud to sings Englands praises given the chance, support our armed forces, although I may not agree tor the reasons why, support our athletes and proud of our history and the history our country will make!
You want the EU flag so give us a break and shut up.. Your boring and a billy no mates plastic patriot who votes for no one so your weasel words mean nothing..
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile. . Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.[/p][/quote]Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this! In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party![/p][/quote]Debate is good but more often than not it ends up as off topic tit for tat arguing and that results in posts being removed and certain articles with no comments allowed as the BN know exactly what will happen. . Back on topic Can you give a good reason why schools should not fly the Union Flag? I am on the fence about the National Anthem so can't give an opinion about that at the moment. :)[/p][/quote]Can you give a good reason as to why they should fly the flag? Never did me any harm not have the flag flown outside all my schools and Universities! I am as patriotic as they come stand up at every national anthem, proud to sings Englands praises given the chance, support our armed forces, although I may not agree tor the reasons why, support our athletes and proud of our history and the history our country will make![/p][/quote]You want the EU flag so give us a break and shut up.. Your boring and a billy no mates plastic patriot who votes for no one so your weasel words mean nothing.. thomas222
  • Score: 3

8:01pm Wed 16 Apr 14

George X. says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton

news.co.uk/news/1114

2838._High_street_sh

ops_are_doing_better

_than_retail_parks__

_says_report/?ref=mc



You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
You are a TRAITOR.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!![/p][/quote]You are a TRAITOR. George X.
  • Score: 9

9:01pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Mick England says...

I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot! Mick England
  • Score: 1

9:12pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton


news.co.uk/news/1114


2838._High_street_sh


ops_are_doing_better


_than_retail_parks__


_says_report/?ref=mc




You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
You are a TRAITOR.
George X.

You do know that part of the terms and conditions of this website is that you have to comment about the news and it is against the ruls ot give personal abuse!
So far, this evening you have done 3 posts, not one iota of commenting of the news report and just plainly given abuse! Therefore it seems your third account will soon be deleted and your messages wiped from this thread, jut like the other night!

Like the other night, can you please elaborate on as to why I am a traitor? just saying it mean nothings but.....

But lets look at the evidence....

Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot?

Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do?

Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's?

Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it?

Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them?

Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country?

Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!!

What have you ever done to help this country or are you jut happy to lie in your bed, in your bedsit and give personal abuse to posters and thing the world will be better because you have spoken and had a go at someone with a different viewpoint?

Have you ever praised you own country? It people or its armed services?

Have you ever campaigned to make this country better and to make this country succeed?

It seems to me that it is not me that that is the traitor, but you!
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!![/p][/quote]You are a TRAITOR.[/p][/quote]George X. You do know that part of the terms and conditions of this website is that you have to comment about the news and it is against the ruls ot give personal abuse! So far, this evening you have done 3 posts, not one iota of commenting of the news report and just plainly given abuse! Therefore it seems your third account will soon be deleted and your messages wiped from this thread, jut like the other night! Like the other night, can you please elaborate on as to why I am a traitor? just saying it mean nothings but..... But lets look at the evidence.... Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot? Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart, like UKIP want to do? Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's? Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it? Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them? Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country? Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!! What have you ever done to help this country or are you jut happy to lie in your bed, in your bedsit and give personal abuse to posters and thing the world will be better because you have spoken and had a go at someone with a different viewpoint? Have you ever praised you own country? It people or its armed services? Have you ever campaigned to make this country better and to make this country succeed? It seems to me that it is not me that that is the traitor, but you! The Righteous One
  • Score: -17

9:20pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I do pay into the coffers on UK plc!

I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off.

I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc

I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!!

I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners).

Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]I do pay into the coffers on UK plc! I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off. I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!! I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners). Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing??? The Righteous One
  • Score: -28

9:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile.
.
Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.
Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this!

In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party!
Debate is good but more often than not it ends up as off topic tit for tat arguing and that results in posts being removed and certain articles with no comments allowed as the BN know exactly what will happen.
.
Back on topic
Can you give a good reason why schools should not fly the Union Flag?
I am on the fence about the National Anthem so can't give an opinion about that at the moment. :)
Can you give a good reason as to why they should fly the flag?

Never did me any harm not have the flag flown outside all my schools and Universities! I am as patriotic as they come stand up at every national anthem, proud to sings Englands praises given the chance, support our armed forces, although I may not agree tor the reasons why, support our athletes and proud of our history and the history our country will make!
You want the EU flag so give us a break and shut up.. Your boring and a billy no mates plastic patriot who votes for no one so your weasel words mean nothing..
I want the EU flag?

Who aid that - oh yes YOU did!!


What I want is the UK, or more appropriately England, to be successful!!!

Lets look at our history - something you don't know about because you are not patrotic!!

Most of Englands Empire was stolen from other European countries. Australia was actually called New Holland goverened by the Dutch. Most of the United States was either Spanish, French or Dutch. But like with the EU we are taking the best bits of it and making it work for us. We take the best bits and supposedly make them better, but in reality the working population are poo pooed upon from great heights by greedy industrialists! That is not the fault of the EU but Thatchers greed and goes back further, if not centuries!! So what we are doing now with the EU is exactly the same with jingoism, but certain people can't see that!!!


Funnily enough, I am out tomorrow evening with mates and then a weekend away with mates at the end of the month!! so billy no mates - nope not me, but as you are in front of your pc day and night it seems that you are!

As you have proved to be a closet racist with blaming the Muslims and the using UKIP as a means of escape (something I very much doubt either Farage or Nutthal would agree with) then I can safely assume you don't actually give a **** about the party (as you actually do not know their policies apart from wanting a referendum about the EU) and just using it as BNP is basically dead in the water!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Welcome to The Righteous One's soap box, everything you say will be quoted, resistance is futile. . Back to the article, I do not see a problem with schools flying the Union Flag, it is a flag that should be flown with pride and rightly so, those that do not like it should learn to be a little more patriotic.[/p][/quote]Not everything Mark - only if has to do with the quote, like this! In a debate one has to defend ones political beliefs and give examples otherwise it becomes stale and boring - look at Thomas222 gives gives gives but never defends himself when being questioned and as such not a good debater and is actually doing damage to UKIP, he beloved party![/p][/quote]Debate is good but more often than not it ends up as off topic tit for tat arguing and that results in posts being removed and certain articles with no comments allowed as the BN know exactly what will happen. . Back on topic Can you give a good reason why schools should not fly the Union Flag? I am on the fence about the National Anthem so can't give an opinion about that at the moment. :)[/p][/quote]Can you give a good reason as to why they should fly the flag? Never did me any harm not have the flag flown outside all my schools and Universities! I am as patriotic as they come stand up at every national anthem, proud to sings Englands praises given the chance, support our armed forces, although I may not agree tor the reasons why, support our athletes and proud of our history and the history our country will make![/p][/quote]You want the EU flag so give us a break and shut up.. Your boring and a billy no mates plastic patriot who votes for no one so your weasel words mean nothing..[/p][/quote]I want the EU flag? Who aid that - oh yes YOU did!! What I want is the UK, or more appropriately England, to be successful!!! Lets look at our history - something you don't know about because you are not patrotic!! Most of Englands Empire was stolen from other European countries. Australia was actually called New Holland goverened by the Dutch. Most of the United States was either Spanish, French or Dutch. But like with the EU we are taking the best bits of it and making it work for us. We take the best bits and supposedly make them better, but in reality the working population are poo pooed upon from great heights by greedy industrialists! That is not the fault of the EU but Thatchers greed and goes back further, if not centuries!! So what we are doing now with the EU is exactly the same with jingoism, but certain people can't see that!!! Funnily enough, I am out tomorrow evening with mates and then a weekend away with mates at the end of the month!! so billy no mates - nope not me, but as you are in front of your pc day and night it seems that you are! As you have proved to be a closet racist with blaming the Muslims and the using UKIP as a means of escape (something I very much doubt either Farage or Nutthal would agree with) then I can safely assume you don't actually give a **** about the party (as you actually do not know their policies apart from wanting a referendum about the EU) and just using it as BNP is basically dead in the water!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -37

9:45pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

But once again I notice, Thomas, that you have not said anything positive about England or the United Kingdom?

Are you actually the traitor here, and not me?

Surely someone who is very patriotic has to be very positive about their own country instead of slagging it off all the time, like you do!!!
But once again I notice, Thomas, that you have not said anything positive about England or the United Kingdom? Are you actually the traitor here, and not me? Surely someone who is very patriotic has to be very positive about their own country instead of slagging it off all the time, like you do!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

10:06pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I do pay into the coffers on UK plc!

I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off.

I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc

I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!!

I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners).

Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???
Whatever.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]I do pay into the coffers on UK plc! I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off. I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!! I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners). Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???[/p][/quote]Whatever. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -1

10:08pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
You get my vote Mick.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]You get my vote Mick. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 4

10:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Spot on Bob.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Spot on Bob. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 3

10:18pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I do pay into the coffers on UK plc!

I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off.

I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc

I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!!

I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners).

Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???
Whatever.
Why are you responding to a post that was aimed at another poster, unless, you are the same person?

Seems very weird thing to do!


Anyway why haven't you been very patriotic today? Whats up, nothing to be patriotic about? Shame as there is plenty to be patriotic about not only in Bolton but in the country as a whole!

Is that sufficient or do I need to translate it into US-English?
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]I do pay into the coffers on UK plc! I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off. I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!! I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners). Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???[/p][/quote]Whatever.[/p][/quote]Why are you responding to a post that was aimed at another poster, unless, you are the same person? Seems very weird thing to do! Anyway why haven't you been very patriotic today? Whats up, nothing to be patriotic about? Shame as there is plenty to be patriotic about not only in Bolton but in the country as a whole! Is that sufficient or do I need to translate it into US-English? The Righteous One
  • Score: -1

10:22pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Also funny how, all of a sudden, you seem very chummy with so-called posters who don't actually live in Bolton!!!!!

Also, as already stated look elsewhere for someone to blame for this thread being spoiled - I did give 4 warnings out to Thomas and he wouldn't listen - therefore he is the one to blame not me!!!!

Or are you one of the phantom disciples of UKIP who have suddenly come out of the woodwork because Thomas Ryder (aka Thomas222) cannot debate and is losing UKIP credit! There again that doesn't need my help especially after Have I Got News For You last Friday and the most recent expenses scandal - talk about being patriotic!! lol
Also funny how, all of a sudden, you seem very chummy with so-called posters who don't actually live in Bolton!!!!! Also, as already stated look elsewhere for someone to blame for this thread being spoiled - I did give 4 warnings out to Thomas and he wouldn't listen - therefore he is the one to blame not me!!!! Or are you one of the phantom disciples of UKIP who have suddenly come out of the woodwork because Thomas Ryder (aka Thomas222) cannot debate and is losing UKIP credit! There again that doesn't need my help especially after Have I Got News For You last Friday and the most recent expenses scandal - talk about being patriotic!! lol The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

10:24pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I do pay into the coffers on UK plc!

I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off.

I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc

I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!!

I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners).

Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???
My heart bleeds for Mr Curry. Poor chap. What on earth has he done to deserve such torture?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]I do pay into the coffers on UK plc! I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off. I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!! I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners). Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???[/p][/quote]My heart bleeds for Mr Curry. Poor chap. What on earth has he done to deserve such torture? Thatissowrong
  • Score: -2

10:36pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
But once again I notice, Thomas, that you have not said anything positive about England or the United Kingdom?

Are you actually the traitor here, and not me?

Surely someone who is very patriotic has to be very positive about their own country instead of slagging it off all the time, like you do!!!
I never slag off my County i love it.... You dont because you want to give it away to the Eu.... Go away you are understood on here to be a fool who votes for no one and also very silly & stupid.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But once again I notice, Thomas, that you have not said anything positive about England or the United Kingdom? Are you actually the traitor here, and not me? Surely someone who is very patriotic has to be very positive about their own country instead of slagging it off all the time, like you do!!![/p][/quote]I never slag off my County i love it.... You dont because you want to give it away to the Eu.... Go away you are understood on here to be a fool who votes for no one and also very silly & stupid. thomas222
  • Score: 33

10:41pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton


news.co.uk/news/1114


2838._High_street_sh


ops_are_doing_better


_than_retail_parks__


_says_report/?ref=mc




You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
You are a TRAITOR.
One question yes or no & not the ramblings of a Man losing it..... Sharia or British law Patriot...
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!![/p][/quote]You are a TRAITOR.[/p][/quote]One question yes or no & not the ramblings of a Man losing it..... Sharia or British law Patriot... thomas222
  • Score: 33

10:41pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I do pay into the coffers on UK plc!

I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off.

I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc

I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!!

I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners).

Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???
My heart bleeds for Mr Curry. Poor chap. What on earth has he done to deserve such torture?
In fact he is a great bloke and knows his stuff especially with hat is happening with regards to electrification and the forthcoming works o re-instate Platform 5 and is a good ally with regards to the forthcoming problem of parking for the station when the station car park closes for good!!!!

Also, with thanks to his help there are many that gained paring tickets today due to bad parking by some who use the station car-park - and that is good news as it will mean more people will be able to park in the carpark, hopefully, instead of people being greedy with spaces or people parking in the disabled bays when they shouldn't! All tickets given out by the BTP!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]I do pay into the coffers on UK plc! I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off. I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!! I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners). Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???[/p][/quote]My heart bleeds for Mr Curry. Poor chap. What on earth has he done to deserve such torture?[/p][/quote]In fact he is a great bloke and knows his stuff especially with hat is happening with regards to electrification and the forthcoming works o re-instate Platform 5 and is a good ally with regards to the forthcoming problem of parking for the station when the station car park closes for good!!!! Also, with thanks to his help there are many that gained paring tickets today due to bad parking by some who use the station car-park - and that is good news as it will mean more people will be able to park in the carpark, hopefully, instead of people being greedy with spaces or people parking in the disabled bays when they shouldn't! All tickets given out by the BTP! The Righteous One
  • Score: -11

10:45pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I do pay into the coffers on UK plc!

I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off.

I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc

I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!!

I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners).

Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???
Why are some people living in a s....... Hole then.... You are history Pal.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]I do pay into the coffers on UK plc! I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off. I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!! I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners). Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???[/p][/quote]Why are some people living in a s....... Hole then.... You are history Pal. thomas222
  • Score: 25

10:50pm Wed 16 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton

news.co.uk/news/1114

2838._High_street_sh

ops_are_doing_better

_than_retail_parks__

_says_report/?ref=mc



You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
I never mentioned Muslims you Racist person.. Chuck out the racist card when you are goosed as usual & as i said it did not mention UKIP you did. its all over Pal. x
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!![/p][/quote]I never mentioned Muslims you Racist person.. Chuck out the racist card when you are goosed as usual & as i said it did not mention UKIP you did. its all over Pal. x thomas222
  • Score: 32

10:51pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But once again I notice, Thomas, that you have not said anything positive about England or the United Kingdom?

Are you actually the traitor here, and not me?

Surely someone who is very patriotic has to be very positive about their own country instead of slagging it off all the time, like you do!!!
I never slag off my County i love it.... You dont because you want to give it away to the Eu.... Go away you are understood on here to be a fool who votes for no one and also very silly & stupid.
So you name one good this about this country?

Thing is you can't!!!


All of today I have praised this amazing country and all you can do is give personal abuse because of my political beliefs, which has NOTHING to do with my patriotism for MY country!

What you last post has sown is that you have no respect for your forefathers, and as such no respect for patriotism, otherwise you wouldn't want to be destroying the British Constitution - lets not forget that we have the right to not to vote whilst keeping the right to express as the two are NOT connected!!!

Again if I did vote I would never tell you who I would be voting for as under the British Constitution, and English & Welsh Law I am not allowed to tell you, if I don't want! Fact is that is another patriotic act I am abiding with because it was our working class forefathers that fought and struggled to gain the franchise and the secret ballot! So why would I want to destroy that, like you do every time you ask people who they vote for - that is very unpatriotic!!!

Yes it does seem that it is you and not me that is a traitor - a traitor to your history and your forefathers struggle for the franchise and secret vote!! A traitor to your own patriotism!

Shame on you!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But once again I notice, Thomas, that you have not said anything positive about England or the United Kingdom? Are you actually the traitor here, and not me? Surely someone who is very patriotic has to be very positive about their own country instead of slagging it off all the time, like you do!!![/p][/quote]I never slag off my County i love it.... You dont because you want to give it away to the Eu.... Go away you are understood on here to be a fool who votes for no one and also very silly & stupid.[/p][/quote]So you name one good this about this country? Thing is you can't!!! All of today I have praised this amazing country and all you can do is give personal abuse because of my political beliefs, which has NOTHING to do with my patriotism for MY country! What you last post has sown is that you have no respect for your forefathers, and as such no respect for patriotism, otherwise you wouldn't want to be destroying the British Constitution - lets not forget that we have the right to not to vote whilst keeping the right to express as the two are NOT connected!!! Again if I did vote I would never tell you who I would be voting for as under the British Constitution, and English & Welsh Law I am not allowed to tell you, if I don't want! Fact is that is another patriotic act I am abiding with because it was our working class forefathers that fought and struggled to gain the franchise and the secret ballot! So why would I want to destroy that, like you do every time you ask people who they vote for - that is very unpatriotic!!! Yes it does seem that it is you and not me that is a traitor - a traitor to your history and your forefathers struggle for the franchise and secret vote!! A traitor to your own patriotism! Shame on you! The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

11:05pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton


news.co.uk/news/1114


2838._High_street_sh


ops_are_doing_better


_than_retail_parks__


_says_report/?ref=mc




You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
I never mentioned Muslims you Racist person.. Chuck out the racist card when you are goosed as usual & as i said it did not mention UKIP you did. its all over Pal. x
LIAR!!!!

So you do not remember saying this,

Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14)
"Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser."

Link is; http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/1114
2838._High_street_sh
ops_are_doing_better
_than_retail_parks__
_says_report/?ref=mc




As regards to UKIP, actually it was YOU who mentioned them first in this current thread,

Thomas222 (9.02am Wed 16 Apr 14)
"How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up."

Whilst my first post was at 9.14am with NO mention of UKIP and I actually made 24 posts before even mentioning UKIP or Nigel Farage!!!!

So again, you don't even know what you are writing or when you are writing it and making up tales to try and shift the blame.

This time, as usual, you have been found out to be a liar!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!![/p][/quote]I never mentioned Muslims you Racist person.. Chuck out the racist card when you are goosed as usual & as i said it did not mention UKIP you did. its all over Pal. x[/p][/quote]LIAR!!!! So you do not remember saying this, Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14) "Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser." Link is; http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc As regards to UKIP, actually it was YOU who mentioned them first in this current thread, Thomas222 (9.02am Wed 16 Apr 14) "How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up." Whilst my first post was at 9.14am with NO mention of UKIP and I actually made 24 posts before even mentioning UKIP or Nigel Farage!!!! So again, you don't even know what you are writing or when you are writing it and making up tales to try and shift the blame. This time, as usual, you have been found out to be a liar! The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

11:12pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I do pay into the coffers on UK plc!

I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off.

I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc

I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!!

I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners).

Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???
Why are some people living in a s....... Hole then.... You are history Pal.
Why do people through out the centuries live not so decent homes - there are so many factors that lead to this and most of them come down to two things - Palace of Westminster and Company CEO's going foe large profits over the health and lifestyle of their workers!!! And then there are some who are happy living like that and then some who do not know how to get benefits which would help them! And lets not forget that it is sometimes down to the regulation and laws that the Palace of Westminster introduce to keep people in control and wanting!

I would advise you to read on the subject, as you will be enlightened and there are plenty of book on the subject of business history, political history and local history at Bolton Central Library!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]I do pay into the coffers on UK plc! I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off. I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!! I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners). Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???[/p][/quote]Why are some people living in a s....... Hole then.... You are history Pal.[/p][/quote]Why do people through out the centuries live not so decent homes - there are so many factors that lead to this and most of them come down to two things - Palace of Westminster and Company CEO's going foe large profits over the health and lifestyle of their workers!!! And then there are some who are happy living like that and then some who do not know how to get benefits which would help them! And lets not forget that it is sometimes down to the regulation and laws that the Palace of Westminster introduce to keep people in control and wanting! I would advise you to read on the subject, as you will be enlightened and there are plenty of book on the subject of business history, political history and local history at Bolton Central Library! The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

11:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot!
I do pay into the coffers on UK plc!

I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off.

I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc

I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!!

I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners).

Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???
Why are some people living in a s....... Hole then.... You are history Pal.
I am history, in what way?

Look at the news today, which is NOT good news for your beloved UKIP!

Jobless figure is down
Wages rising
Positive outlook on all genres of employment

both normally leads to a spike in those voting for The Conservatives, and has done for the last 200 years!!! Whenever the country is heading out of recession the country normally votes (92% of the time) The Conservatives back in! Voting habits don't change and one doesn't need to know history about that!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I think Mr righteous should either take up knitting or baking, or just get a job and pay a bit into the UNITED KINGDOM PLC pot![/p][/quote]I do pay into the coffers on UK plc! I have a job, sometimes I work days, sometimes I work nights and sometimes I have time off. I also help to get people away from being unemployed by hiring them, thus helping to increase the coffers with UK plc I also do high level meetings with councillors, CEO's and with MP's in trying to help this country improve, especially 2 weeks ago when I was at a meeting with TfGM, Northern Rail chief and one of the bosses from First group in trying to see what can be done to improve, whilst being cost efficient, with public services in Bolton and how other projects such as the Leigh-Manchester busway and the reducing of lanes along The Crescent are having a detrimental impact on ALL commuters from Bolton to Manchester!!! I am also in constant contact with My Curry at Bolton station with regards to the Bolton station carpark and a couple of environmental enthusiasts who look after various projects around the area (and I don't mean fracking campaigners). Is that the work or a traitor, or someone who just sits at a PC and moans all the time and does nothing???[/p][/quote]Why are some people living in a s....... Hole then.... You are history Pal.[/p][/quote]I am history, in what way? Look at the news today, which is NOT good news for your beloved UKIP! Jobless figure is down Wages rising Positive outlook on all genres of employment both normally leads to a spike in those voting for The Conservatives, and has done for the last 200 years!!! Whenever the country is heading out of recession the country normally votes (92% of the time) The Conservatives back in! Voting habits don't change and one doesn't need to know history about that!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -28

11:23pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton



news.co.uk/news/1114



2838._High_street_sh



ops_are_doing_better



_than_retail_parks__



_says_report/?ref=mc





You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
You are a TRAITOR.
One question yes or no & not the ramblings of a Man losing it..... Sharia or British law Patriot...
Firstly, you are the mad man as how can anyone answer yes or no when those choices cannot be used to the question that you have set!!!! How pathetic, maybe if you had stayed at school and not skipped lessons your English would be better!

British Law has precedent over Sharia law - and you know it, and those in Birmingham will find out the hard way!

that is no contest.

But it seems your racism is seeping out again, otherwise you would never have mentioned Sharia Law.

But funnily enough, if you know anything about Sharia Law, the UK and most of Western society has most of it within its statutes and has done for centuries!!!! You really ought to read before posting so not to make a fool of yourself!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!![/p][/quote]You are a TRAITOR.[/p][/quote]One question yes or no & not the ramblings of a Man losing it..... Sharia or British law Patriot...[/p][/quote]Firstly, you are the mad man as how can anyone answer yes or no when those choices cannot be used to the question that you have set!!!! How pathetic, maybe if you had stayed at school and not skipped lessons your English would be better! British Law has precedent over Sharia law - and you know it, and those in Birmingham will find out the hard way! that is no contest. But it seems your racism is seeping out again, otherwise you would never have mentioned Sharia Law. But funnily enough, if you know anything about Sharia Law, the UK and most of Western society has most of it within its statutes and has done for centuries!!!! You really ought to read before posting so not to make a fool of yourself!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -21

11:29pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas222,

yet again you disappear when you have been proved wrong and a liar!

And yet again you expect your questions to be answered but you NEVER answer anyone else's questions! Are you that rude and ignorant?

In fact I know you won't answer that. thing is you want to control people and you do not like independent thinks and want to squabble with them until they give up - but thing is, I don't give up because I have such strong faith in myself! But I also know eventually people like you show your true colours like you have done with having a go at one sector of the population and blaming the - namely the Muslims!

Therefore you are a liar and a racist and not only that you are a bully, and importantly an ignorant imbecile!.

Thomas Ryder, I know who you are and know that you are supposedly in the UKIP party which is why I have copied these posts of yours and sent them by email to UKIP of which I have had a response back and will be looking into your attitude to prospective voters and general attitude with regards to UKIP!!!
Thomas222, yet again you disappear when you have been proved wrong and a liar! And yet again you expect your questions to be answered but you NEVER answer anyone else's questions! Are you that rude and ignorant? In fact I know you won't answer that. thing is you want to control people and you do not like independent thinks and want to squabble with them until they give up - but thing is, I don't give up because I have such strong faith in myself! But I also know eventually people like you show your true colours like you have done with having a go at one sector of the population and blaming the - namely the Muslims! Therefore you are a liar and a racist and not only that you are a bully, and importantly an ignorant imbecile!. Thomas Ryder, I know who you are and know that you are supposedly in the UKIP party which is why I have copied these posts of yours and sent them by email to UKIP of which I have had a response back and will be looking into your attitude to prospective voters and general attitude with regards to UKIP!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -24

11:45pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.
Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria.

Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!!
It is obvious you have a problem with this Country & don,t like it or respect it. Why don,t you get off & live in the perfect Country of your choice & once you get there denounce your UK nationality and your British passport. Don,t think you would though because that passport is the best in the world and many many people want one. Where is your perfect Country by the way.
I did get away and I do renounce my unfortunate nationality everyday...the best thing is it was the best damned move I ever made...
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up.[/p][/quote]Nope, it is because St Georges Day is only over a week away and we become very patriotic every year because of that - even though St George wasn't English and was actually a Palestinian soldier in the Roman army (the same exact thing that UIP is against!!!) and he is also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Russia and Syria. Lets not forget he is not the patron saint of The United Kingdom, only England and we do not have a Public Holiday to celebrate it, unlike the Scot who have St Andrews Day and Northern Ireland have St Patricks Day and Wales are looking at setting up a public Holiday for St David!!![/p][/quote]It is obvious you have a problem with this Country & don,t like it or respect it. Why don,t you get off & live in the perfect Country of your choice & once you get there denounce your UK nationality and your British passport. Don,t think you would though because that passport is the best in the world and many many people want one. Where is your perfect Country by the way.[/p][/quote]I did get away and I do renounce my unfortunate nationality everyday...the best thing is it was the best damned move I ever made... Comment777
  • Score: 1

1:29am Thu 17 Apr 14

Mike23 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222,

yet again you disappear when you have been proved wrong and a liar!

And yet again you expect your questions to be answered but you NEVER answer anyone else's questions! Are you that rude and ignorant?

In fact I know you won't answer that. thing is you want to control people and you do not like independent thinks and want to squabble with them until they give up - but thing is, I don't give up because I have such strong faith in myself! But I also know eventually people like you show your true colours like you have done with having a go at one sector of the population and blaming the - namely the Muslims!

Therefore you are a liar and a racist and not only that you are a bully, and importantly an ignorant imbecile!.

Thomas Ryder, I know who you are and know that you are supposedly in the UKIP party which is why I have copied these posts of yours and sent them by email to UKIP of which I have had a response back and will be looking into your attitude to prospective voters and general attitude with regards to UKIP!!!
Well, how ironic that a son of an immigrant originating from a colony that openly uses the swastika on its religious ikons, should suggest singing the national anthem and flying the flag in schools.

Mmmmm, I wonder what Ghandi would think?

Have to say, Righteous One, does speak some truth in that Americanism is creeping more into our way of life.

But, people like Shaftoe should actually study their history…a bit more!

Now, what I find funny, is a man of Indian decent, promoting patriotism in a town that was instrumental in overthrowing the monarchy in a civil war.

But, lets not pull any punches here…lets ban halal butchery, make chips, steak pudding & gravy the official school dinner, insist that flat caps & whippets are the new fashion items, bring back the stocks & rotten tomato throwing, and make George Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier the official text that all schoolchildren should be able to recite verbatim.

Oh, in order to be politically correct, those wishing to wear traditional muslim dress, can do so. So long as the flat cap is worn on top of the hijab/burka thing.

I think Knees up Mother Brown would be a better song sung every Monday morning, waving pictures of George Formby. When its all over with, a collective, " Ohhhh Mother" should be shouted by all participants.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, yet again you disappear when you have been proved wrong and a liar! And yet again you expect your questions to be answered but you NEVER answer anyone else's questions! Are you that rude and ignorant? In fact I know you won't answer that. thing is you want to control people and you do not like independent thinks and want to squabble with them until they give up - but thing is, I don't give up because I have such strong faith in myself! But I also know eventually people like you show your true colours like you have done with having a go at one sector of the population and blaming the - namely the Muslims! Therefore you are a liar and a racist and not only that you are a bully, and importantly an ignorant imbecile!. Thomas Ryder, I know who you are and know that you are supposedly in the UKIP party which is why I have copied these posts of yours and sent them by email to UKIP of which I have had a response back and will be looking into your attitude to prospective voters and general attitude with regards to UKIP!!![/p][/quote]Well, how ironic that a son of an immigrant originating from a colony that openly uses the swastika on its religious ikons, should suggest singing the national anthem and flying the flag in schools. Mmmmm, I wonder what Ghandi would think? Have to say, Righteous One, does speak some truth in that Americanism is creeping more into our way of life. But, people like Shaftoe should actually study their history…a bit more! Now, what I find funny, is a man of Indian decent, promoting patriotism in a town that was instrumental in overthrowing the monarchy in a civil war. But, lets not pull any punches here…lets ban halal butchery, make chips, steak pudding & gravy the official school dinner, insist that flat caps & whippets are the new fashion items, bring back the stocks & rotten tomato throwing, and make George Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier the official text that all schoolchildren should be able to recite verbatim. Oh, in order to be politically correct, those wishing to wear traditional muslim dress, can do so. So long as the flat cap is worn on top of the hijab/burka thing. I think Knees up Mother Brown would be a better song sung every Monday morning, waving pictures of George Formby. When its all over with, a collective, " Ohhhh Mother" should be shouted by all participants. Mike23
  • Score: -32

8:17am Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton



news.co.uk/news/1114



2838._High_street_sh



ops_are_doing_better



_than_retail_parks__



_says_report/?ref=mc





You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
I never mentioned Muslims you Racist person.. Chuck out the racist card when you are goosed as usual & as i said it did not mention UKIP you did. its all over Pal. x
LIAR!!!!

So you do not remember saying this,

Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14)
"Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser."

Link is; http://www.thebolton

news.co.uk/news/1114

2838._High_street_sh

ops_are_doing_better

_than_retail_parks__

_says_report/?ref=mc





As regards to UKIP, actually it was YOU who mentioned them first in this current thread,

Thomas222 (9.02am Wed 16 Apr 14)
"How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up."

Whilst my first post was at 9.14am with NO mention of UKIP and I actually made 24 posts before even mentioning UKIP or Nigel Farage!!!!

So again, you don't even know what you are writing or when you are writing it and making up tales to try and shift the blame.

This time, as usual, you have been found out to be a liar!
You really are twisted the mention to Muslims is saying they have to put up with the Immigration overload as well as any one else because they are put into the areas the Muslim people live in like Halliwell & Dobble.. I have Muslim friends who think that they have been invaded by some undesirable people & surprise surprise they are voting UKIP. Dont threaten me if you know who i am introduce yourself in person. I would welcome that Troll.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!![/p][/quote]I never mentioned Muslims you Racist person.. Chuck out the racist card when you are goosed as usual & as i said it did not mention UKIP you did. its all over Pal. x[/p][/quote]LIAR!!!! So you do not remember saying this, Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14) "Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser." Link is; http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc As regards to UKIP, actually it was YOU who mentioned them first in this current thread, Thomas222 (9.02am Wed 16 Apr 14) "How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up." Whilst my first post was at 9.14am with NO mention of UKIP and I actually made 24 posts before even mentioning UKIP or Nigel Farage!!!! So again, you don't even know what you are writing or when you are writing it and making up tales to try and shift the blame. This time, as usual, you have been found out to be a liar![/p][/quote]You really are twisted the mention to Muslims is saying they have to put up with the Immigration overload as well as any one else because they are put into the areas the Muslim people live in like Halliwell & Dobble.. I have Muslim friends who think that they have been invaded by some undesirable people & surprise surprise they are voting UKIP. Dont threaten me if you know who i am introduce yourself in person. I would welcome that Troll. thomas222
  • Score: -2

9:13am Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us.
And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.
Bob,

Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs

But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers?

That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine!

Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there?

But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads?

End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here!
(and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! )

As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!!

But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions!
Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...
So, Thomas, do you deny writing this....

Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14)

"Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." -

http://www.thebolton




news.co.uk/news/1114




2838._High_street_sh




ops_are_doing_better




_than_retail_parks__




_says_report/?ref=mc






You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!!

You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are

And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty.

It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!!


I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!!

Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology!

So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread.

As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed

Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!!
I never mentioned Muslims you Racist person.. Chuck out the racist card when you are goosed as usual & as i said it did not mention UKIP you did. its all over Pal. x
LIAR!!!!

So you do not remember saying this,

Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14)
"Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser."

Link is; http://www.thebolton


news.co.uk/news/1114


2838._High_street_sh


ops_are_doing_better


_than_retail_parks__


_says_report/?ref=mc






As regards to UKIP, actually it was YOU who mentioned them first in this current thread,

Thomas222 (9.02am Wed 16 Apr 14)
"How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up."

Whilst my first post was at 9.14am with NO mention of UKIP and I actually made 24 posts before even mentioning UKIP or Nigel Farage!!!!

So again, you don't even know what you are writing or when you are writing it and making up tales to try and shift the blame.

This time, as usual, you have been found out to be a liar!
You really are twisted the mention to Muslims is saying they have to put up with the Immigration overload as well as any one else because they are put into the areas the Muslim people live in like Halliwell & Dobble.. I have Muslim friends who think that they have been invaded by some undesirable people & surprise surprise they are voting UKIP. Dont threaten me if you know who i am introduce yourself in person. I would welcome that Troll.
Threaten???

The one thing you have completely never learned about me, or just completely ignored is that I do NOT threaten but I take action!!!! You keep on going that I am all mouth and no action and yet over and over and over again I have given examples of what work I undertake to help MY town and to help MY country and you have completely ignored it all!!!!

I have already sent the complaint to UKIP headquarters by email, at 23:37 last night. It is not just about your racial slurs but also about your complete abhorrent attitude on this website and how you are blackening UKIP's name with the way you treat people on this website!

Just looking at your last post, why is it you can't spell Daubhill? How many people have you just disenfranchised from voting UKIP by spelling thee name of their area incorrectly?

Also you act as the troll, let me show you th meaning of the word Troll again, a sit seems you have a very bad short term memory.

TROLL = is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Even by that meaning how many times, yesterday were you warned not to get political with regards to pro-/anti EU in this thread, a sit was about patriotism and not politics - but how many times did you ignore that warning? Very troll like, isn't it?

As for me, I am happy to introduce myself in person - And gladly meet up to talk through the differences but I will assume you are all talk and no action, therefore what is the point! I am not free this weekend as it is Easter but I am free Tuesday and Wednesday daytime next week if YOU are prepared to meet!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Ah well, another potentially good post ruined by Righteous One. By the number of thumbs down he accumulates on every subject he inflicts his comments on, surely even he can get the message. You're not welcome anymore you bore the pants off us. And Thomas222, just stop replying to him, don't raise to his bait, do not reply to his every muttering. Same goes for everyone. Just ignore him.[/p][/quote]Bob, Firstly I don't bother with the thumbs But explain this how can a post go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes during apart of the day when they will be very few readers? That has what happened on this thread with 4 posts of mine! Now if you cannot explain it then there is no point commenting on it, is there? But why is it the majority of my comments tend to get between +12 and +25 of all other threads except for when certain Neanderthals appear on only selected threads? End of moan, but as I saw not bothered about the thumbs as I still carry on contributing my knowledge to the naiive on here! (and by the way the spelling of naiive is the correct English spelling due to the fact in any true English dictionary there are 2 dots above the vertical line thus meaning double i! ) As for the thread being ruined by me, look again. I did not make it a political soap box, Thomas did. I actually advised him 5 times not to make it political but he continued to do so. In the end Thomas couldn't handle the truth made a racist remark and then became abusive!!!! But if its only ruined because I have a different viewpoint, then all I have to say is just grow up, in the real wold not everyone thinks the same as you, as we are all different with our own opinions![/p][/quote]Had i said anything Racist i would have been banned & reported by the Bn. Also i did not bring up you did about Nigel Farage & his expenses so wind your neck in and stop being a racist.... empty vessels make to most noise. You have a bad habit of being nasty when some one closes you as i have & thats why you get - thumbs. All the Macro talk is rubbish & i wish the BN said it was to shut you up you traitor...[/p][/quote]So, Thomas, do you deny writing this.... Thomas222 (5.11pm Sun 13 April 14) "Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change..." - http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc You also blamed the Muslim community for the country's ills and for helping to make UKIP a big arty because people have had enough fo them!!!! -all in that thread for people to read!!!! You are the one that brought this debate over from the above mentioned thread and continued to "attack" me over my views and call me a traitor because of my views. Therefore all I did was attach the link from where you started that argument and let others see how childish and racist you are And to settle this once and for all the meaning of patriotism is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) = devoted love and support of one's country; national loyalty. It says nothing about political allegiences which is what you are trying to imply!!! I also advised you that this was not the right thread to be politically motivated in as it was about patriotism but you completely ignored that advise not once, not twice, not thrice but 4 occasions!!! Like I pointed out, as YOU brought it up, the thumbs cannot be trusted - how can 4 separate posts go from +12 to -70 in space of 2 minutes when the readership is less than 50 and it would have to take 83 people to make that figure change so much! Therefoe technology is in use and the BN do know about it but as it is a feature of all Newsquests and Gannett papers they cannot close it down but do know that it is not realible and easily influenced by the use of technology! So do not try to be innocent Thomas!!! The proof is in this thread and the previous thread. As for me being a traitor I Have shown over and over and over again that I am not - I look out for this country, its people and how this country goes forward as it is my country and I want it ot succeed Throughout the whole of today what raise have you given to your own country? NONE! and yet you call me a traitor!!!![/p][/quote]I never mentioned Muslims you Racist person.. Chuck out the racist card when you are goosed as usual & as i said it did not mention UKIP you did. its all over Pal. x[/p][/quote]LIAR!!!! So you do not remember saying this, Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14) "Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser." Link is; http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc As regards to UKIP, actually it was YOU who mentioned them first in this current thread, Thomas222 (9.02am Wed 16 Apr 14) "How strange that many people are suddenly becoming patriotic all of a sudden. Would it have anything to do with a election coming up & UKIP starting to really worry them. The games up." Whilst my first post was at 9.14am with NO mention of UKIP and I actually made 24 posts before even mentioning UKIP or Nigel Farage!!!! So again, you don't even know what you are writing or when you are writing it and making up tales to try and shift the blame. This time, as usual, you have been found out to be a liar![/p][/quote]You really are twisted the mention to Muslims is saying they have to put up with the Immigration overload as well as any one else because they are put into the areas the Muslim people live in like Halliwell & Dobble.. I have Muslim friends who think that they have been invaded by some undesirable people & surprise surprise they are voting UKIP. Dont threaten me if you know who i am introduce yourself in person. I would welcome that Troll.[/p][/quote]Threaten??? The one thing you have completely never learned about me, or just completely ignored is that I do NOT threaten but I take action!!!! You keep on going that I am all mouth and no action and yet over and over and over again I have given examples of what work I undertake to help MY town and to help MY country and you have completely ignored it all!!!! I have already sent the complaint to UKIP headquarters by email, at 23:37 last night. It is not just about your racial slurs but also about your complete abhorrent attitude on this website and how you are blackening UKIP's name with the way you treat people on this website! Just looking at your last post, why is it you can't spell Daubhill? How many people have you just disenfranchised from voting UKIP by spelling thee name of their area incorrectly? Also you act as the troll, let me show you th meaning of the word Troll again, a sit seems you have a very bad short term memory. TROLL = is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Even by that meaning how many times, yesterday were you warned not to get political with regards to pro-/anti EU in this thread, a sit was about patriotism and not politics - but how many times did you ignore that warning? Very troll like, isn't it? As for me, I am happy to introduce myself in person - And gladly meet up to talk through the differences but I will assume you are all talk and no action, therefore what is the point! I am not free this weekend as it is Easter but I am free Tuesday and Wednesday daytime next week if YOU are prepared to meet! The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

9:21am Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Mike23 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222,

yet again you disappear when you have been proved wrong and a liar!

And yet again you expect your questions to be answered but you NEVER answer anyone else's questions! Are you that rude and ignorant?

In fact I know you won't answer that. thing is you want to control people and you do not like independent thinks and want to squabble with them until they give up - but thing is, I don't give up because I have such strong faith in myself! But I also know eventually people like you show your true colours like you have done with having a go at one sector of the population and blaming the - namely the Muslims!

Therefore you are a liar and a racist and not only that you are a bully, and importantly an ignorant imbecile!.

Thomas Ryder, I know who you are and know that you are supposedly in the UKIP party which is why I have copied these posts of yours and sent them by email to UKIP of which I have had a response back and will be looking into your attitude to prospective voters and general attitude with regards to UKIP!!!
Well, how ironic that a son of an immigrant originating from a colony that openly uses the swastika on its religious ikons, should suggest singing the national anthem and flying the flag in schools.

Mmmmm, I wonder what Ghandi would think?

Have to say, Righteous One, does speak some truth in that Americanism is creeping more into our way of life.

But, people like Shaftoe should actually study their history…a bit more!

Now, what I find funny, is a man of Indian decent, promoting patriotism in a town that was instrumental in overthrowing the monarchy in a civil war.

But, lets not pull any punches here…lets ban halal butchery, make chips, steak pudding & gravy the official school dinner, insist that flat caps & whippets are the new fashion items, bring back the stocks & rotten tomato throwing, and make George Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier the official text that all schoolchildren should be able to recite verbatim.

Oh, in order to be politically correct, those wishing to wear traditional muslim dress, can do so. So long as the flat cap is worn on top of the hijab/burka thing.

I think Knees up Mother Brown would be a better song sung every Monday morning, waving pictures of George Formby. When its all over with, a collective, " Ohhhh Mother" should be shouted by all participants.
Until Hitler and the Nazi Party took over the swastika it was actually a symbol of peace!!!

Ghandi would actually be proud of him for suggesting because the councillor is upholding the original and best meaning of the swastika - PEACE! And for integrating into the local population, so much, that he would want to suggest such a motion!!!

Halal Butchery (Muslim) is actually more humane that Kosher butchery. In Halal they say a quick prayer, to the animal, thanking God for its sacrifice, whilst it is alive and then the animal is stunned before the throat is slit open.

Kosher butchery (Judiaism) is no prayer and no stun and straight to slitting the throat!!!

So why are people so aghast about Halal food but not bothered, at all, about Kosher food, when Kosher is much more demeaning to the animals!!!


But apart from that had a bit of a god laugh at the post :-) Very good tongue in cheek!
[quote][p][bold]Mike23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, yet again you disappear when you have been proved wrong and a liar! And yet again you expect your questions to be answered but you NEVER answer anyone else's questions! Are you that rude and ignorant? In fact I know you won't answer that. thing is you want to control people and you do not like independent thinks and want to squabble with them until they give up - but thing is, I don't give up because I have such strong faith in myself! But I also know eventually people like you show your true colours like you have done with having a go at one sector of the population and blaming the - namely the Muslims! Therefore you are a liar and a racist and not only that you are a bully, and importantly an ignorant imbecile!. Thomas Ryder, I know who you are and know that you are supposedly in the UKIP party which is why I have copied these posts of yours and sent them by email to UKIP of which I have had a response back and will be looking into your attitude to prospective voters and general attitude with regards to UKIP!!![/p][/quote]Well, how ironic that a son of an immigrant originating from a colony that openly uses the swastika on its religious ikons, should suggest singing the national anthem and flying the flag in schools. Mmmmm, I wonder what Ghandi would think? Have to say, Righteous One, does speak some truth in that Americanism is creeping more into our way of life. But, people like Shaftoe should actually study their history…a bit more! Now, what I find funny, is a man of Indian decent, promoting patriotism in a town that was instrumental in overthrowing the monarchy in a civil war. But, lets not pull any punches here…lets ban halal butchery, make chips, steak pudding & gravy the official school dinner, insist that flat caps & whippets are the new fashion items, bring back the stocks & rotten tomato throwing, and make George Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier the official text that all schoolchildren should be able to recite verbatim. Oh, in order to be politically correct, those wishing to wear traditional muslim dress, can do so. So long as the flat cap is worn on top of the hijab/burka thing. I think Knees up Mother Brown would be a better song sung every Monday morning, waving pictures of George Formby. When its all over with, a collective, " Ohhhh Mother" should be shouted by all participants.[/p][/quote]Until Hitler and the Nazi Party took over the swastika it was actually a symbol of peace!!! Ghandi would actually be proud of him for suggesting because the councillor is upholding the original and best meaning of the swastika - PEACE! And for integrating into the local population, so much, that he would want to suggest such a motion!!! Halal Butchery (Muslim) is actually more humane that Kosher butchery. In Halal they say a quick prayer, to the animal, thanking God for its sacrifice, whilst it is alive and then the animal is stunned before the throat is slit open. Kosher butchery (Judiaism) is no prayer and no stun and straight to slitting the throat!!! So why are people so aghast about Halal food but not bothered, at all, about Kosher food, when Kosher is much more demeaning to the animals!!! But apart from that had a bit of a god laugh at the post :-) Very good tongue in cheek! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

9:24am Thu 17 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.
Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -2

10:10am Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.
There are spelling mistakes which is the odd letter in the wrong order, due to typing fast and not checking, or dyslexia (as dyslexia is not about spelling words as they sound (phonetics)but misplacing letters, i.e. have the right letters but in the wrong order - I only know because I have dyslexia and have to wear coloured glasses which helps the symptoms!!!) but to completely misspell Daubhill, an area of ones own town and yet manage to spell Halliwell correctly (which is actually pronounced "Aliwell") it does seem not to be the case of dyslexia!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.[/p][/quote]There are spelling mistakes which is the odd letter in the wrong order, due to typing fast and not checking, or dyslexia (as dyslexia is not about spelling words as they sound (phonetics)but misplacing letters, i.e. have the right letters but in the wrong order - I only know because I have dyslexia and have to wear coloured glasses which helps the symptoms!!!) but to completely misspell Daubhill, an area of ones own town and yet manage to spell Halliwell correctly (which is actually pronounced "Aliwell") it does seem not to be the case of dyslexia! The Righteous One
  • Score: -48

10:15am Thu 17 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.
There are spelling mistakes which is the odd letter in the wrong order, due to typing fast and not checking, or dyslexia (as dyslexia is not about spelling words as they sound (phonetics)but misplacing letters, i.e. have the right letters but in the wrong order - I only know because I have dyslexia and have to wear coloured glasses which helps the symptoms!!!) but to completely misspell Daubhill, an area of ones own town and yet manage to spell Halliwell correctly (which is actually pronounced "Aliwell") it does seem not to be the case of dyslexia!
Whatever.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.[/p][/quote]There are spelling mistakes which is the odd letter in the wrong order, due to typing fast and not checking, or dyslexia (as dyslexia is not about spelling words as they sound (phonetics)but misplacing letters, i.e. have the right letters but in the wrong order - I only know because I have dyslexia and have to wear coloured glasses which helps the symptoms!!!) but to completely misspell Daubhill, an area of ones own town and yet manage to spell Halliwell correctly (which is actually pronounced "Aliwell") it does seem not to be the case of dyslexia![/p][/quote]Whatever. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -2

10:36am Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.
There are spelling mistakes which is the odd letter in the wrong order, due to typing fast and not checking, or dyslexia (as dyslexia is not about spelling words as they sound (phonetics)but misplacing letters, i.e. have the right letters but in the wrong order - I only know because I have dyslexia and have to wear coloured glasses which helps the symptoms!!!) but to completely misspell Daubhill, an area of ones own town and yet manage to spell Halliwell correctly (which is actually pronounced "Aliwell") it does seem not to be the case of dyslexia!
Whatever.
Is that your catchphrase?

If so I can't wait to see it pop up soon on the new version of Catchphrase on Sunday evenings! Possibly be the star prize for a fantastic holiday to Port Douglas!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.[/p][/quote]There are spelling mistakes which is the odd letter in the wrong order, due to typing fast and not checking, or dyslexia (as dyslexia is not about spelling words as they sound (phonetics)but misplacing letters, i.e. have the right letters but in the wrong order - I only know because I have dyslexia and have to wear coloured glasses which helps the symptoms!!!) but to completely misspell Daubhill, an area of ones own town and yet manage to spell Halliwell correctly (which is actually pronounced "Aliwell") it does seem not to be the case of dyslexia![/p][/quote]Whatever.[/p][/quote]Is that your catchphrase? If so I can't wait to see it pop up soon on the new version of Catchphrase on Sunday evenings! Possibly be the star prize for a fantastic holiday to Port Douglas! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

11:05am Thu 17 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.
There are spelling mistakes which is the odd letter in the wrong order, due to typing fast and not checking, or dyslexia (as dyslexia is not about spelling words as they sound (phonetics)but misplacing letters, i.e. have the right letters but in the wrong order - I only know because I have dyslexia and have to wear coloured glasses which helps the symptoms!!!) but to completely misspell Daubhill, an area of ones own town and yet manage to spell Halliwell correctly (which is actually pronounced "Aliwell") it does seem not to be the case of dyslexia!
Whatever.
Is that your catchphrase?

If so I can't wait to see it pop up soon on the new version of Catchphrase on Sunday evenings! Possibly be the star prize for a fantastic holiday to Port Douglas!
Whatever.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: Righteous One seems wrong of you to criticise a spelling mistake - the poster may be dyslexic which is a disability.[/p][/quote]There are spelling mistakes which is the odd letter in the wrong order, due to typing fast and not checking, or dyslexia (as dyslexia is not about spelling words as they sound (phonetics)but misplacing letters, i.e. have the right letters but in the wrong order - I only know because I have dyslexia and have to wear coloured glasses which helps the symptoms!!!) but to completely misspell Daubhill, an area of ones own town and yet manage to spell Halliwell correctly (which is actually pronounced "Aliwell") it does seem not to be the case of dyslexia![/p][/quote]Whatever.[/p][/quote]Is that your catchphrase? If so I can't wait to see it pop up soon on the new version of Catchphrase on Sunday evenings! Possibly be the star prize for a fantastic holiday to Port Douglas![/p][/quote]Whatever. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Thu 17 Apr 14

boydell says...

The righteous has always been a bore..... He knows everything about everybody. He knows the population of every country in the world, he also knows what everybody thinks and what they had for their dinner last night.
It has got to the stage that I do not even read what he has to say because I know it will be the same old rubbish as usual. I just scroll down and give a thumbs down to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING he has to say. I just wish he would hook himself onto another newspaper instead of boring all the rest of us to tears with HIS dogma !!! When is he going to get the message that he is a typical Walter Mitty living in his own little world.
The righteous has always been a bore..... He knows everything about everybody. He knows the population of every country in the world, he also knows what everybody thinks and what they had for their dinner last night. It has got to the stage that I do not even read what he has to say because I know it will be the same old rubbish as usual. I just scroll down and give a thumbs down to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING he has to say. I just wish he would hook himself onto another newspaper instead of boring all the rest of us to tears with HIS dogma !!! When is he going to get the message that he is a typical Walter Mitty living in his own little world. boydell
  • Score: 6

3:12pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Catman3 says...

Are the righteous one and thomas 222 old enough to be playing on here ?
Be a lot easy for the rest of us if you both got a room.
Having a opinion is fine but behaving the way you both are is beyond a joke.
Thread spoilt bt the pair of you.
Are the righteous one and thomas 222 old enough to be playing on here ? Be a lot easy for the rest of us if you both got a room. Having a opinion is fine but behaving the way you both are is beyond a joke. Thread spoilt bt the pair of you. Catman3
  • Score: 6

3:14pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Catman3 says...

Are the righteous one and thomas 222 old enough to be playing on here ?
Be a lot easy for the rest of us if you both got a room.
Having a opinion is fine but behaving the way you both are is beyond a joke.
Thread spoilt by the pair of you.
Are the righteous one and thomas 222 old enough to be playing on here ? Be a lot easy for the rest of us if you both got a room. Having a opinion is fine but behaving the way you both are is beyond a joke. Thread spoilt by the pair of you. Catman3
  • Score: 7

5:44pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

boydell wrote:
The righteous has always been a bore..... He knows everything about everybody. He knows the population of every country in the world, he also knows what everybody thinks and what they had for their dinner last night.
It has got to the stage that I do not even read what he has to say because I know it will be the same old rubbish as usual. I just scroll down and give a thumbs down to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING he has to say. I just wish he would hook himself onto another newspaper instead of boring all the rest of us to tears with HIS dogma !!! When is he going to get the message that he is a typical Walter Mitty living in his own little world.
Seconded.
[quote][p][bold]boydell[/bold] wrote: The righteous has always been a bore..... He knows everything about everybody. He knows the population of every country in the world, he also knows what everybody thinks and what they had for their dinner last night. It has got to the stage that I do not even read what he has to say because I know it will be the same old rubbish as usual. I just scroll down and give a thumbs down to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING he has to say. I just wish he would hook himself onto another newspaper instead of boring all the rest of us to tears with HIS dogma !!! When is he going to get the message that he is a typical Walter Mitty living in his own little world.[/p][/quote]Seconded. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 7

11:57am Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
boydell wrote:
The righteous has always been a bore..... He knows everything about everybody. He knows the population of every country in the world, he also knows what everybody thinks and what they had for their dinner last night.
It has got to the stage that I do not even read what he has to say because I know it will be the same old rubbish as usual. I just scroll down and give a thumbs down to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING he has to say. I just wish he would hook himself onto another newspaper instead of boring all the rest of us to tears with HIS dogma !!! When is he going to get the message that he is a typical Walter Mitty living in his own little world.
Seconded.
Whatever.
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boydell[/bold] wrote: The righteous has always been a bore..... He knows everything about everybody. He knows the population of every country in the world, he also knows what everybody thinks and what they had for their dinner last night. It has got to the stage that I do not even read what he has to say because I know it will be the same old rubbish as usual. I just scroll down and give a thumbs down to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING he has to say. I just wish he would hook himself onto another newspaper instead of boring all the rest of us to tears with HIS dogma !!! When is he going to get the message that he is a typical Walter Mitty living in his own little world.[/p][/quote]Seconded.[/p][/quote]Whatever. The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

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