‘Dangerous’ Bow Street multi-storey car park forced to close

The shutters are down at Bow Street multi-storey car park

NCP’s sign at Bow Street car park telling motorists to look elsewhere

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A BUSY town centre car park has been closed for the “foreseeable future” because of safety fears.

Drivers have been directed away from Bow Street car park since Friday following an assessment that showed a dangerous level of deterioration in the complex.

It opened in the 1960s and has 700 spaces.

Officers at Bolton Council — owners of the car park, which is run by the company NCP — say they do not yet know when it will be reopened.

Bernadette Ward, from Bromley Cross, regularly parks in the disabled bays at the Bow Street complex due to her mobility issues.

Ms Ward said: “People need to know it’s closed — it’s a nightmare driving up there at the moment with the roadworks and it would save on congestion.

“For now I can’t shop in Marks and Spencer while the car park is closed. It’s too far to negotiate.

“Disabled spaces are like gold dust in the town centre.

“I park in Bow Street because of the wider bays and if I have things in my car it’s easier.

“You would think the owners could have let people know it was going to close.”

A council spokesman said: “We have been monitoring the condition of this ageing car park for some while with a view to considering its future use.


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"The condition has now deteriorated such that we have taken the decision to close it as a precautionary safety measure and to avoid exacerbating repair costs.”

A spokesman for NCP said it closed the multi-storey car park after receiving instructions from Bolton Council.

It will keep it shut until asked to reopen it.

The spokesman added: “Our staff are on site constantly to keep drivers informed and direct them to other car parks, to try and lessen the inconvenience as much as possible.”

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6:51am Thu 17 Apr 14

oftbewildered2 says...

I do understand what Bernadette Ward is saying and appreciate the difficulties she faces with her need for a disability parking bay - but I don't think there would have been time to post a prior warning to the closure of the car park as the owners (regardless of who they are) would have been obliged to close it immediately it was confirmed that it presented a danger. If it had been closed for pre-planned maintenance, that would have been a different matter entirely. I hope that it will not be necessary to keep it closed for a prolonged period but I feel that many structures erected in the 1960s are now developing structural defects due to the materials used at that time. This is a layman's viewpoint.
I do understand what Bernadette Ward is saying and appreciate the difficulties she faces with her need for a disability parking bay - but I don't think there would have been time to post a prior warning to the closure of the car park as the owners (regardless of who they are) would have been obliged to close it immediately it was confirmed that it presented a danger. If it had been closed for pre-planned maintenance, that would have been a different matter entirely. I hope that it will not be necessary to keep it closed for a prolonged period but I feel that many structures erected in the 1960s are now developing structural defects due to the materials used at that time. This is a layman's viewpoint. oftbewildered2
  • Score: 32

6:51am Thu 17 Apr 14

George X. says...

Excellant opportunity for the council to demolish it and build their own !!
Excellant opportunity for the council to demolish it and build their own !! George X.
  • Score: 24

7:24am Thu 17 Apr 14

Regulatory Man says...

Watch out for the new use building appearing on an old Bow Street Site near you soon.
Watch out for the new use building appearing on an old Bow Street Site near you soon. Regulatory Man
  • Score: 8

7:30am Thu 17 Apr 14

MissPeg says...

I agree with oftbewildered, if it's a safety issue it's a case of safety first. Disabled or not, the inconvenience is necessary. There are plenty of car parks in Bolton which will serve the majority of car parkers well. It's good that the company have staff on hand to help direct people to alternatives. There will always be a handful of people who are inconvenienced the most, I'm sure the lady who spoke to the Bolton News could find an alternative arrangement, it just might take a little bit of research. If it's just for trips to Marks and Spencer's, then at least she isn't relying on the car park opening in order to get to/from work every single day.

And George X, since when did Bolton Council own any of the public car parks in the town centre? If you hadn't noticed, the two newest ones are owned by the same car parking company; if I'm not mistaken (which I might be), it's the same company that already owns this car park?
I agree with oftbewildered, if it's a safety issue it's a case of safety first. Disabled or not, the inconvenience is necessary. There are plenty of car parks in Bolton which will serve the majority of car parkers well. It's good that the company have staff on hand to help direct people to alternatives. There will always be a handful of people who are inconvenienced the most, I'm sure the lady who spoke to the Bolton News could find an alternative arrangement, it just might take a little bit of research. If it's just for trips to Marks and Spencer's, then at least she isn't relying on the car park opening in order to get to/from work every single day. And George X, since when did Bolton Council own any of the public car parks in the town centre? If you hadn't noticed, the two newest ones are owned by the same car parking company; if I'm not mistaken (which I might be), it's the same company that already owns this car park? MissPeg
  • Score: 4

8:11am Thu 17 Apr 14

Daz Bond says...

I am aware of what Mrs Ward said to the Bolton News and her first concern was for the people who work in town and those who have bought Parking permits for this car park,
Surely No building should be allowed to get in to such a bad state of dis-repair that it warrants immediate closure there should be regular building maintenance and checks especially when it is in such demand.
Bolton town centre is an already struggling town and to loose 700 car parking spaces is astonishing when the council are suppose to be concentrating on building up the town centre, introducing more facilities and attracting people back to town. to do this we are already loosing car park spaces in the Market hall. Soon there will be nowhere to park
I am aware of what Mrs Ward said to the Bolton News and her first concern was for the people who work in town and those who have bought Parking permits for this car park, Surely No building should be allowed to get in to such a bad state of dis-repair that it warrants immediate closure there should be regular building maintenance and checks especially when it is in such demand. Bolton town centre is an already struggling town and to loose 700 car parking spaces is astonishing when the council are suppose to be concentrating on building up the town centre, introducing more facilities and attracting people back to town. to do this we are already loosing car park spaces in the Market hall. Soon there will be nowhere to park Daz Bond
  • Score: 6

8:21am Thu 17 Apr 14

Cheeseware says...

This car park IS owned by Bolton Council according to the report. But the statement "A spokesman for NCP said it closed the multi-storey car park after receiving instructions from Bolton Council." Does this mean that if the Council hadn't given instruction then NCP, who manage the carpark on a day to day basis, would have kept it open in its current dangerous state??????
The state of this car park sums up the state of Bolton Town Centre as a whole - run down and neglected
This car park IS owned by Bolton Council according to the report. But the statement "A spokesman for NCP said it closed the multi-storey car park after receiving instructions from Bolton Council." Does this mean that if the Council hadn't given instruction then NCP, who manage the carpark on a day to day basis, would have kept it open in its current dangerous state?????? The state of this car park sums up the state of Bolton Town Centre as a whole - run down and neglected Cheeseware
  • Score: 18

8:29am Thu 17 Apr 14

Cheryl111 says...

Bolton council own all the multi storey car parks in Bolton. Are people seriously that stupid that the cannot find another parking space from Bow St too get to Marks and Sparks? If its distance surely the car park behind Mcdonalds is easy to get to and from also and to say thay Bow st has big spaces someone must be driving a smart car. I am sure that NCP only manage the car parks on behalf of the council. Looking at the car park and thefact its been propped up for the past few years surely this didnt come as a shock. Its been held up forbyears so APCOA the previous tenents and Bolton Council must not have cared one bit..
Bolton council own all the multi storey car parks in Bolton. Are people seriously that stupid that the cannot find another parking space from Bow St too get to Marks and Sparks? If its distance surely the car park behind Mcdonalds is easy to get to and from also and to say thay Bow st has big spaces someone must be driving a smart car. I am sure that NCP only manage the car parks on behalf of the council. Looking at the car park and thefact its been propped up for the past few years surely this didnt come as a shock. Its been held up forbyears so APCOA the previous tenents and Bolton Council must not have cared one bit.. Cheryl111
  • Score: 4

8:40am Thu 17 Apr 14

Chrome1 says...

What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.
What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though. Chrome1
  • Score: -13

8:52am Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Firstly, George X. well done in actually commentating on a news report - I knew you could do it sooner or later!

Secondly, George, the report actually says it is Bolton Council car park and it is operated/managed by NCP (which is normal as NCP has the contract to manage/operate ALL Bolton Council car parks)

Thirdly, Chrome1, Bolton council do not own ALL the multi-story car parks as Markey Place is owned by Moorgate (the owners of The market Place ) and the car park is managed/operated by APCOA. Although that is the only one which is different that I can think of!

Fourthly, if Bolton Council have been monitoring the situation for sometime then why haven't they noticed the deterioration long before and actually be pro-active and do the necessary repairs instead of letting it get so bad that they then have to close the car park for safety reason - it has Water Place situation written all over it, as in let it get so bad, close it then knock it down!!!!
Firstly, George X. well done in actually commentating on a news report - I knew you could do it sooner or later! Secondly, George, the report actually says it is Bolton Council car park and it is operated/managed by NCP (which is normal as NCP has the contract to manage/operate ALL Bolton Council car parks) Thirdly, Chrome1, Bolton council do not own ALL the multi-story car parks as Markey Place is owned by Moorgate (the owners of The market Place ) and the car park is managed/operated by APCOA. Although that is the only one which is different that I can think of! Fourthly, if Bolton Council have been monitoring the situation for sometime then why haven't they noticed the deterioration long before and actually be pro-active and do the necessary repairs instead of letting it get so bad that they then have to close the car park for safety reason - it has Water Place situation written all over it, as in let it get so bad, close it then knock it down!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

8:57am Thu 17 Apr 14

Harkin about says...

Another good reason, as if we needed one, to avoid shopping in the town centre.
And yes I agree that there will no doubt be "affordable homes" appearing here very soon.
Another good reason, as if we needed one, to avoid shopping in the town centre. And yes I agree that there will no doubt be "affordable homes" appearing here very soon. Harkin about
  • Score: 6

9:01am Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

My full apologies Chome1 as I mentioned you, in my last post, by complete accident as it wasn't you I meant but Cheryl111.
My full apologies Chome1 as I mentioned you, in my last post, by complete accident as it wasn't you I meant but Cheryl111. The Righteous One
  • Score: -14

9:06am Thu 17 Apr 14

Cheryl111 says...

APCIA dont operate in Bolton anymore.
APCIA dont operate in Bolton anymore. Cheryl111
  • Score: -8

9:31am Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Cheryl111 wrote:
APCIA dont operate in Bolton anymore.
Yes they do - they operate/manage The Market Place car park on behalf or Moorgate Properties, the owner of The Market Place.
[quote][p][bold]Cheryl111[/bold] wrote: APCIA dont operate in Bolton anymore.[/p][/quote]Yes they do - they operate/manage The Market Place car park on behalf or Moorgate Properties, the owner of The Market Place. The Righteous One
  • Score: -56

9:34am Thu 17 Apr 14

Womble says...

Perhaps Mrs. Ward could consider parking in the car park at Topp Way, where the lovely people at Shopmobility could lend her a motorised scooter, or offer her some other advice on how to get about whilst Bow Street car park is out of action.
Perhaps Mrs. Ward could consider parking in the car park at Topp Way, where the lovely people at Shopmobility could lend her a motorised scooter, or offer her some other advice on how to get about whilst Bow Street car park is out of action. Womble
  • Score: 11

9:53am Thu 17 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

NCP are a glorified protection racket.
NCP are a glorified protection racket. Jim271
  • Score: 17

9:56am Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
NCP are a glorified protection racket.
Considering it is Bolton Council that set the prices etc etc and all NCP do is act on behalf of Bolton Council, then it is not NCP that is operating the protection racket but Bolton Council!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: NCP are a glorified protection racket.[/p][/quote]Considering it is Bolton Council that set the prices etc etc and all NCP do is act on behalf of Bolton Council, then it is not NCP that is operating the protection racket but Bolton Council!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

10:16am Thu 17 Apr 14

johnny201 says...

Chrome1 wrote:
What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.
Idiot. The car park closed on Friday, the Bolton News didn't even KNOW about it, neither did many drivers who have still been trying to access the car park this week. Obviously Ms Ward informed them and they have reported it because of that.
Your comments are rude and unnecessary.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.[/p][/quote]Idiot. The car park closed on Friday, the Bolton News didn't even KNOW about it, neither did many drivers who have still been trying to access the car park this week. Obviously Ms Ward informed them and they have reported it because of that. Your comments are rude and unnecessary. johnny201
  • Score: 21

10:30am Thu 17 Apr 14

Don Kiddick says...

Chrome1 wrote:
What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.
I couldn't have put it better myself. If M&S is so precious, why not go to Middlebrook anyway where there are disabled parking spaces right outside the store - and you don't have to knock the town centre scrotes and dregs out of the way with your obesicle?
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.[/p][/quote]I couldn't have put it better myself. If M&S is so precious, why not go to Middlebrook anyway where there are disabled parking spaces right outside the store - and you don't have to knock the town centre scrotes and dregs out of the way with your obesicle? Don Kiddick
  • Score: -9

10:31am Thu 17 Apr 14

Don Kiddick says...

Chrome1 wrote:
What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.
I forgot to mention - BN reporters getting off their a r s e s and getting outside to sniff out news - I don't think so, do you?
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.[/p][/quote]I forgot to mention - BN reporters getting off their a r s e s and getting outside to sniff out news - I don't think so, do you? Don Kiddick
  • Score: -16

10:40am Thu 17 Apr 14

JustaBloke2000 says...

I parked there a couple of weeks back - main things that stuck out as iffy to me were the stairs and the ropey lift...

Anyway, top timing on behalf of Bolton Council to shut it bang on the Easter holidays.

As for all the commentators having digs at disabled drivers: stop being dicks!
I parked there a couple of weeks back - main things that stuck out as iffy to me were the stairs and the ropey lift... Anyway, top timing on behalf of Bolton Council to shut it bang on the Easter holidays. As for all the commentators having digs at disabled drivers: stop being dicks! JustaBloke2000
  • Score: 19

11:08am Thu 17 Apr 14

Don Kiddick says...

JustaBloke2000 wrote:
I parked there a couple of weeks back - main things that stuck out as iffy to me were the stairs and the ropey lift...

Anyway, top timing on behalf of Bolton Council to shut it bang on the Easter holidays.

As for all the commentators having digs at disabled drivers: stop being dicks!
Yeh, they could have gambled and allowed the unsafe structure to be loaded up with one of the highest footfalls of the year. Brilliant idea. C O C K.
[quote][p][bold]JustaBloke2000[/bold] wrote: I parked there a couple of weeks back - main things that stuck out as iffy to me were the stairs and the ropey lift... Anyway, top timing on behalf of Bolton Council to shut it bang on the Easter holidays. As for all the commentators having digs at disabled drivers: stop being dicks![/p][/quote]Yeh, they could have gambled and allowed the unsafe structure to be loaded up with one of the highest footfalls of the year. Brilliant idea. C O C K. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -16

11:33am Thu 17 Apr 14

JustaBloke2000 says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
JustaBloke2000 wrote:
I parked there a couple of weeks back - main things that stuck out as iffy to me were the stairs and the ropey lift...

Anyway, top timing on behalf of Bolton Council to shut it bang on the Easter holidays.

As for all the commentators having digs at disabled drivers: stop being dicks!
Yeh, they could have gambled and allowed the unsafe structure to be loaded up with one of the highest footfalls of the year. Brilliant idea. C O C K.
I think you're reading a wee bit too much into it, my hilariously named friend: where does it say the actual structure is unsafe? If it was in danger of wholesale collapse then Bow Street and the surrounding area, including the loading area of Argos, would be cordoned off as unsafe access, as well. But that would require a bit of thought to put together, I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustaBloke2000[/bold] wrote: I parked there a couple of weeks back - main things that stuck out as iffy to me were the stairs and the ropey lift... Anyway, top timing on behalf of Bolton Council to shut it bang on the Easter holidays. As for all the commentators having digs at disabled drivers: stop being dicks![/p][/quote]Yeh, they could have gambled and allowed the unsafe structure to be loaded up with one of the highest footfalls of the year. Brilliant idea. C O C K.[/p][/quote]I think you're reading a wee bit too much into it, my hilariously named friend: where does it say the actual structure is unsafe? If it was in danger of wholesale collapse then Bow Street and the surrounding area, including the loading area of Argos, would be cordoned off as unsafe access, as well. But that would require a bit of thought to put together, I suppose. JustaBloke2000
  • Score: 11

11:38am Thu 17 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

George X. wrote:
Excellant opportunity for the council to demolish it and build their own !!
And that is the reason...NCP being assisted again, they bought the car park for a token sum, painted and installed modern lighting and proceeded to make a good profit from the building. So now they do not want to spend on the structure. I believe the next request will be for a demolition order, a larger rebuild or other development ie offices and shops
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: Excellant opportunity for the council to demolish it and build their own !![/p][/quote]And that is the reason...NCP being assisted again, they bought the car park for a token sum, painted and installed modern lighting and proceeded to make a good profit from the building. So now they do not want to spend on the structure. I believe the next request will be for a demolition order, a larger rebuild or other development ie offices and shops Comment777
  • Score: 0

11:40am Thu 17 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

Cheryl111 wrote:
Bolton council own all the multi storey car parks in Bolton. Are people seriously that stupid that the cannot find another parking space from Bow St too get to Marks and Sparks? If its distance surely the car park behind Mcdonalds is easy to get to and from also and to say thay Bow st has big spaces someone must be driving a smart car. I am sure that NCP only manage the car parks on behalf of the council. Looking at the car park and thefact its been propped up for the past few years surely this didnt come as a shock. Its been held up forbyears so APCOA the previous tenents and Bolton Council must not have cared one bit..
NCP own this car park...bought for one pound I believe...
[quote][p][bold]Cheryl111[/bold] wrote: Bolton council own all the multi storey car parks in Bolton. Are people seriously that stupid that the cannot find another parking space from Bow St too get to Marks and Sparks? If its distance surely the car park behind Mcdonalds is easy to get to and from also and to say thay Bow st has big spaces someone must be driving a smart car. I am sure that NCP only manage the car parks on behalf of the council. Looking at the car park and thefact its been propped up for the past few years surely this didnt come as a shock. Its been held up forbyears so APCOA the previous tenents and Bolton Council must not have cared one bit..[/p][/quote]NCP own this car park...bought for one pound I believe... Comment777
  • Score: -4

11:41am Thu 17 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Firstly, George X. well done in actually commentating on a news report - I knew you could do it sooner or later!

Secondly, George, the report actually says it is Bolton Council car park and it is operated/managed by NCP (which is normal as NCP has the contract to manage/operate ALL Bolton Council car parks)

Thirdly, Chrome1, Bolton council do not own ALL the multi-story car parks as Markey Place is owned by Moorgate (the owners of The market Place ) and the car park is managed/operated by APCOA. Although that is the only one which is different that I can think of!

Fourthly, if Bolton Council have been monitoring the situation for sometime then why haven't they noticed the deterioration long before and actually be pro-active and do the necessary repairs instead of letting it get so bad that they then have to close the car park for safety reason - it has Water Place situation written all over it, as in let it get so bad, close it then knock it down!!!!
The car park was in a poor structural state 20 years ago that is why Bolton council disposed of it...
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Firstly, George X. well done in actually commentating on a news report - I knew you could do it sooner or later! Secondly, George, the report actually says it is Bolton Council car park and it is operated/managed by NCP (which is normal as NCP has the contract to manage/operate ALL Bolton Council car parks) Thirdly, Chrome1, Bolton council do not own ALL the multi-story car parks as Markey Place is owned by Moorgate (the owners of The market Place ) and the car park is managed/operated by APCOA. Although that is the only one which is different that I can think of! Fourthly, if Bolton Council have been monitoring the situation for sometime then why haven't they noticed the deterioration long before and actually be pro-active and do the necessary repairs instead of letting it get so bad that they then have to close the car park for safety reason - it has Water Place situation written all over it, as in let it get so bad, close it then knock it down!!!![/p][/quote]The car park was in a poor structural state 20 years ago that is why Bolton council disposed of it... Comment777
  • Score: -7

11:43am Thu 17 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
Chrome1 wrote:
What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.
I couldn't have put it better myself. If M&S is so precious, why not go to Middlebrook anyway where there are disabled parking spaces right outside the store - and you don't have to knock the town centre scrotes and dregs out of the way with your obesicle?
This is what I have been saying...abandon Bolton town centre and shop elsewhere...
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.[/p][/quote]I couldn't have put it better myself. If M&S is so precious, why not go to Middlebrook anyway where there are disabled parking spaces right outside the store - and you don't have to knock the town centre scrotes and dregs out of the way with your obesicle?[/p][/quote]This is what I have been saying...abandon Bolton town centre and shop elsewhere... Comment777
  • Score: -5

11:48am Thu 17 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

Quote from beginning of this article: A BUSY town centre car park has been closed for the “foreseeable future” because of safety fears.

Drivers have been directed away from Bow Street car park since Friday following an assessment that showed a dangerous level of deterioration in the complex.

Maybe the safety fears are related to the criminals frequenting the town centre and the level of deterioration is related to the level of criminality and methods used by these criminals...
Quote from beginning of this article: A BUSY town centre car park has been closed for the “foreseeable future” because of safety fears. Drivers have been directed away from Bow Street car park since Friday following an assessment that showed a dangerous level of deterioration in the complex. Maybe the safety fears are related to the criminals frequenting the town centre and the level of deterioration is related to the level of criminality and methods used by these criminals... Comment777
  • Score: -4

12:24pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Daz Bond says...

Chrome1 wrote:
What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.
Well Chrome 1 what a small minded ignorant unintelligent idiot you are. If you honestly think that all disabled people are fat with an irate face you can't get much thicker than that.....Your are totally missing the point as are most of the stupid people who have commented on here. We should be proud of Bolton and finding ways of keeping the town centre busy and people in Jobs should be a priority. Closing down this car park could potentially have a big knock on effect. If people can't find suitable car Parking spaces in and around the town centre it stands to reason they will stop going and the town will become an even bigger eyesore-and ghost town....Buildings should be maintained to certain standards all the time and if wee need to pull down all the buildings in town centre that are pre 1960 what will we have left??
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: What amuses me is where do they find these disabled drivers? Do the reporters wait outside until they find some fat disabled looking doofer with an irate face? Lord, what petty and tiresome lives some people have. Unless of course it was a pythonesque spoof in which case bravo to the BN. I very much doubt it though.[/p][/quote]Well Chrome 1 what a small minded ignorant unintelligent idiot you are. If you honestly think that all disabled people are fat with an irate face you can't get much thicker than that.....Your are totally missing the point as are most of the stupid people who have commented on here. We should be proud of Bolton and finding ways of keeping the town centre busy and people in Jobs should be a priority. Closing down this car park could potentially have a big knock on effect. If people can't find suitable car Parking spaces in and around the town centre it stands to reason they will stop going and the town will become an even bigger eyesore-and ghost town....Buildings should be maintained to certain standards all the time and if wee need to pull down all the buildings in town centre that are pre 1960 what will we have left?? Daz Bond
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Thu 17 Apr 14

atlas123 says...

People be one set in their ways and have become used to using bow street, every Thursday at 1pm or whatever.

To these people (like my mother) the idea of doing something even slightly different is abhorrent And cause smoke to issue from their ears. A lot of eldetely and not economicaly active people run on rails like this.
People be one set in their ways and have become used to using bow street, every Thursday at 1pm or whatever. To these people (like my mother) the idea of doing something even slightly different is abhorrent And cause smoke to issue from their ears. A lot of eldetely and not economicaly active people run on rails like this. atlas123
  • Score: -2

12:42pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Daz Bond says...

MissPeg wrote:
I agree with oftbewildered, if it's a safety issue it's a case of safety first. Disabled or not, the inconvenience is necessary. There are plenty of car parks in Bolton which will serve the majority of car parkers well. It's good that the company have staff on hand to help direct people to alternatives. There will always be a handful of people who are inconvenienced the most, I'm sure the lady who spoke to the Bolton News could find an alternative arrangement, it just might take a little bit of research. If it's just for trips to Marks and Spencer's, then at least she isn't relying on the car park opening in order to get to/from work every single day.

And George X, since when did Bolton Council own any of the public car parks in the town centre? If you hadn't noticed, the two newest ones are owned by the same car parking company; if I'm not mistaken (which I might be), it's the same company that already owns this car park?
In actual fact the lady mentioned was miss-quoted and actually phoned the Bolton news to inform them so that they could perhaps print a warning for people who where travelling to the car par to find it closed. She was trying to save congestion and prevent people from being late for work trying to find an alternative. She actually said that she only used this car park herself if she was going to shop in Marks and Spencer because it was convenient. in actual fact when I tried to park there I never saw a car park attendant just a notice to ring a number for information and when we tried it was constantly engaged.
[quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: I agree with oftbewildered, if it's a safety issue it's a case of safety first. Disabled or not, the inconvenience is necessary. There are plenty of car parks in Bolton which will serve the majority of car parkers well. It's good that the company have staff on hand to help direct people to alternatives. There will always be a handful of people who are inconvenienced the most, I'm sure the lady who spoke to the Bolton News could find an alternative arrangement, it just might take a little bit of research. If it's just for trips to Marks and Spencer's, then at least she isn't relying on the car park opening in order to get to/from work every single day. And George X, since when did Bolton Council own any of the public car parks in the town centre? If you hadn't noticed, the two newest ones are owned by the same car parking company; if I'm not mistaken (which I might be), it's the same company that already owns this car park?[/p][/quote]In actual fact the lady mentioned was miss-quoted and actually phoned the Bolton news to inform them so that they could perhaps print a warning for people who where travelling to the car par to find it closed. She was trying to save congestion and prevent people from being late for work trying to find an alternative. She actually said that she only used this car park herself if she was going to shop in Marks and Spencer because it was convenient. in actual fact when I tried to park there I never saw a car park attendant just a notice to ring a number for information and when we tried it was constantly engaged. Daz Bond
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Daz Bond says...

oftbewildered2 wrote:
I do understand what Bernadette Ward is saying and appreciate the difficulties she faces with her need for a disability parking bay - but I don't think there would have been time to post a prior warning to the closure of the car park as the owners (regardless of who they are) would have been obliged to close it immediately it was confirmed that it presented a danger. If it had been closed for pre-planned maintenance, that would have been a different matter entirely. I hope that it will not be necessary to keep it closed for a prolonged period but I feel that many structures erected in the 1960s are now developing structural defects due to the materials used at that time. This is a layman's viewpoint.
Should all buildings especially those regularly use be maintained at all times and not allowed to get into such a bad state of repair that they need immediate closure?
[quote][p][bold]oftbewildered2[/bold] wrote: I do understand what Bernadette Ward is saying and appreciate the difficulties she faces with her need for a disability parking bay - but I don't think there would have been time to post a prior warning to the closure of the car park as the owners (regardless of who they are) would have been obliged to close it immediately it was confirmed that it presented a danger. If it had been closed for pre-planned maintenance, that would have been a different matter entirely. I hope that it will not be necessary to keep it closed for a prolonged period but I feel that many structures erected in the 1960s are now developing structural defects due to the materials used at that time. This is a layman's viewpoint.[/p][/quote]Should all buildings especially those regularly use be maintained at all times and not allowed to get into such a bad state of repair that they need immediate closure? Daz Bond
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Daz Bond says...

MissPeg wrote:
I agree with oftbewildered, if it's a safety issue it's a case of safety first. Disabled or not, the inconvenience is necessary. There are plenty of car parks in Bolton which will serve the majority of car parkers well. It's good that the company have staff on hand to help direct people to alternatives. There will always be a handful of people who are inconvenienced the most, I'm sure the lady who spoke to the Bolton News could find an alternative arrangement, it just might take a little bit of research. If it's just for trips to Marks and Spencer's, then at least she isn't relying on the car park opening in order to get to/from work every single day.

And George X, since when did Bolton Council own any of the public car parks in the town centre? If you hadn't noticed, the two newest ones are owned by the same car parking company; if I'm not mistaken (which I might be), it's the same company that already owns this car park?
I agree safety first should always be the priority...that in mind why as this building been allowed to deteriorate to a such a poor standard that it needs immediate closure.
[quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: I agree with oftbewildered, if it's a safety issue it's a case of safety first. Disabled or not, the inconvenience is necessary. There are plenty of car parks in Bolton which will serve the majority of car parkers well. It's good that the company have staff on hand to help direct people to alternatives. There will always be a handful of people who are inconvenienced the most, I'm sure the lady who spoke to the Bolton News could find an alternative arrangement, it just might take a little bit of research. If it's just for trips to Marks and Spencer's, then at least she isn't relying on the car park opening in order to get to/from work every single day. And George X, since when did Bolton Council own any of the public car parks in the town centre? If you hadn't noticed, the two newest ones are owned by the same car parking company; if I'm not mistaken (which I might be), it's the same company that already owns this car park?[/p][/quote]I agree safety first should always be the priority...that in mind why as this building been allowed to deteriorate to a such a poor standard that it needs immediate closure. Daz Bond
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Daz Bond wrote:
oftbewildered2 wrote:
I do understand what Bernadette Ward is saying and appreciate the difficulties she faces with her need for a disability parking bay - but I don't think there would have been time to post a prior warning to the closure of the car park as the owners (regardless of who they are) would have been obliged to close it immediately it was confirmed that it presented a danger. If it had been closed for pre-planned maintenance, that would have been a different matter entirely. I hope that it will not be necessary to keep it closed for a prolonged period but I feel that many structures erected in the 1960s are now developing structural defects due to the materials used at that time. This is a layman's viewpoint.
Should all buildings especially those regularly use be maintained at all times and not allowed to get into such a bad state of repair that they need immediate closure?
Exactly - why were thee council watching thee building and not pro-actively doing something and instead just let it get this bad.

It smells of The Water Place all over again!!!
[quote][p][bold]Daz Bond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oftbewildered2[/bold] wrote: I do understand what Bernadette Ward is saying and appreciate the difficulties she faces with her need for a disability parking bay - but I don't think there would have been time to post a prior warning to the closure of the car park as the owners (regardless of who they are) would have been obliged to close it immediately it was confirmed that it presented a danger. If it had been closed for pre-planned maintenance, that would have been a different matter entirely. I hope that it will not be necessary to keep it closed for a prolonged period but I feel that many structures erected in the 1960s are now developing structural defects due to the materials used at that time. This is a layman's viewpoint.[/p][/quote]Should all buildings especially those regularly use be maintained at all times and not allowed to get into such a bad state of repair that they need immediate closure?[/p][/quote]Exactly - why were thee council watching thee building and not pro-actively doing something and instead just let it get this bad. It smells of The Water Place all over again!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -42

12:57pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Comment777 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Firstly, George X. well done in actually commentating on a news report - I knew you could do it sooner or later!

Secondly, George, the report actually says it is Bolton Council car park and it is operated/managed by NCP (which is normal as NCP has the contract to manage/operate ALL Bolton Council car parks)

Thirdly, Chrome1, Bolton council do not own ALL the multi-story car parks as Markey Place is owned by Moorgate (the owners of The market Place ) and the car park is managed/operated by APCOA. Although that is the only one which is different that I can think of!

Fourthly, if Bolton Council have been monitoring the situation for sometime then why haven't they noticed the deterioration long before and actually be pro-active and do the necessary repairs instead of letting it get so bad that they then have to close the car park for safety reason - it has Water Place situation written all over it, as in let it get so bad, close it then knock it down!!!!
The car park was in a poor structural state 20 years ago that is why Bolton council disposed of it...
But Bolton Council did NOT dispose of it. It is still a Council property just operated/managed by NCP.
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Firstly, George X. well done in actually commentating on a news report - I knew you could do it sooner or later! Secondly, George, the report actually says it is Bolton Council car park and it is operated/managed by NCP (which is normal as NCP has the contract to manage/operate ALL Bolton Council car parks) Thirdly, Chrome1, Bolton council do not own ALL the multi-story car parks as Markey Place is owned by Moorgate (the owners of The market Place ) and the car park is managed/operated by APCOA. Although that is the only one which is different that I can think of! Fourthly, if Bolton Council have been monitoring the situation for sometime then why haven't they noticed the deterioration long before and actually be pro-active and do the necessary repairs instead of letting it get so bad that they then have to close the car park for safety reason - it has Water Place situation written all over it, as in let it get so bad, close it then knock it down!!!![/p][/quote]The car park was in a poor structural state 20 years ago that is why Bolton council disposed of it...[/p][/quote]But Bolton Council did NOT dispose of it. It is still a Council property just operated/managed by NCP. The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

1:34pm Thu 17 Apr 14

LordLeverhulme says...

It will never re-open.
Typical council style, they have neglected repairs for so long that it is now in such a state that it's too expensive to repair.
It will never re-open. Typical council style, they have neglected repairs for so long that it is now in such a state that it's too expensive to repair. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 2

2:17pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

No doubt NCP will demand compensation for loss of earnings, paid for by the Bolton Taxpayer as per usual.
No doubt NCP will demand compensation for loss of earnings, paid for by the Bolton Taxpayer as per usual. Jim271
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Cheryl111 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Cheryl111 wrote:
APCIA dont operate in Bolton anymore.
Yes they do - they operate/manage The Market Place car park on behalf or Moorgate Properties, the owner of The Market Place.
Apcoa didnt win the tender. The car park went back to the new owners of The Market Place. The signage hasnt been removed. NCP only took over Bow Street this year didnt they? Bow Street was and always was a filthy dangerous car park. Be glad they will have to tear it down and possibly rebuild another. Wouldnt you like to ve able to park you car knowing its safe to return to collect.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheryl111[/bold] wrote: APCIA dont operate in Bolton anymore.[/p][/quote]Yes they do - they operate/manage The Market Place car park on behalf or Moorgate Properties, the owner of The Market Place.[/p][/quote]Apcoa didnt win the tender. The car park went back to the new owners of The Market Place. The signage hasnt been removed. NCP only took over Bow Street this year didnt they? Bow Street was and always was a filthy dangerous car park. Be glad they will have to tear it down and possibly rebuild another. Wouldnt you like to ve able to park you car knowing its safe to return to collect. Cheryl111
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Thu 17 Apr 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

What hasn't been mentioned at all during the article/people's arguing is that part of the car park was built over the river croal. So maybe the imminent closure was due to that somehow. I'm sure the disabled lady in question would also be a bit more miffed off if she returned from Marks and Sparks and her car was lay in the river :D
What hasn't been mentioned at all during the article/people's arguing is that part of the car park was built over the river croal. So maybe the imminent closure was due to that somehow. I'm sure the disabled lady in question would also be a bit more miffed off if she returned from Marks and Sparks and her car was lay in the river :D FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 2

6:03pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Daz Bond says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
What hasn't been mentioned at all during the article/people's arguing is that part of the car park was built over the river croal. So maybe the imminent closure was due to that somehow. I'm sure the disabled lady in question would also be a bit more miffed off if she returned from Marks and Sparks and her car was lay in the river :D
Are we now to speculate that all the buildings built over the river Croal are in danger? Shall we condemn them all?......You have all missed the point...It was not about a disabled person wanting to park their car. It was the fact that a building generating a high revenue should be allowed to fall into a state of such dis-repair that a sudden closure was warranted.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: What hasn't been mentioned at all during the article/people's arguing is that part of the car park was built over the river croal. So maybe the imminent closure was due to that somehow. I'm sure the disabled lady in question would also be a bit more miffed off if she returned from Marks and Sparks and her car was lay in the river :D[/p][/quote]Are we now to speculate that all the buildings built over the river Croal are in danger? Shall we condemn them all?......You have all missed the point...It was not about a disabled person wanting to park their car. It was the fact that a building generating a high revenue should be allowed to fall into a state of such dis-repair that a sudden closure was warranted. Daz Bond
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Fri 18 Apr 14

ohiogirl says...

Marks and Spencer at Middlebrook springs to mind for the disabled lady.
Marks and Spencer at Middlebrook springs to mind for the disabled lady. ohiogirl
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

Comment777 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Firstly, George X. well done in actually commentating on a news report - I knew you could do it sooner or later!

Secondly, George, the report actually says it is Bolton Council car park and it is operated/managed by NCP (which is normal as NCP has the contract to manage/operate ALL Bolton Council car parks)

Thirdly, Chrome1, Bolton council do not own ALL the multi-story car parks as Markey Place is owned by Moorgate (the owners of The market Place ) and the car park is managed/operated by APCOA. Although that is the only one which is different that I can think of!

Fourthly, if Bolton Council have been monitoring the situation for sometime then why haven't they noticed the deterioration long before and actually be pro-active and do the necessary repairs instead of letting it get so bad that they then have to close the car park for safety reason - it has Water Place situation written all over it, as in let it get so bad, close it then knock it down!!!!
The car park was in a poor structural state 20 years ago that is why Bolton council disposed of it...
Fools...
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Firstly, George X. well done in actually commentating on a news report - I knew you could do it sooner or later! Secondly, George, the report actually says it is Bolton Council car park and it is operated/managed by NCP (which is normal as NCP has the contract to manage/operate ALL Bolton Council car parks) Thirdly, Chrome1, Bolton council do not own ALL the multi-story car parks as Markey Place is owned by Moorgate (the owners of The market Place ) and the car park is managed/operated by APCOA. Although that is the only one which is different that I can think of! Fourthly, if Bolton Council have been monitoring the situation for sometime then why haven't they noticed the deterioration long before and actually be pro-active and do the necessary repairs instead of letting it get so bad that they then have to close the car park for safety reason - it has Water Place situation written all over it, as in let it get so bad, close it then knock it down!!!![/p][/quote]The car park was in a poor structural state 20 years ago that is why Bolton council disposed of it...[/p][/quote]Fools... Comment777
  • Score: -3

1:24pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

LordLeverhulme wrote:
It will never re-open.
Typical council style, they have neglected repairs for so long that it is now in such a state that it's too expensive to repair.
NCP own it...the deal was that they would carry out the repairs but they have not so now we have the situation where 700 spaces are lost...but should not be too much of a problem as anybody with sense will not venture into Bolton town centre
[quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: It will never re-open. Typical council style, they have neglected repairs for so long that it is now in such a state that it's too expensive to repair.[/p][/quote]NCP own it...the deal was that they would carry out the repairs but they have not so now we have the situation where 700 spaces are lost...but should not be too much of a problem as anybody with sense will not venture into Bolton town centre Comment777
  • Score: -3

4:27pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Cheryl111 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Cheryl111 wrote:
APCIA dont operate in Bolton anymore.
Yes they do - they operate/manage The Market Place car park on behalf or Moorgate Properties, the owner of The Market Place.
Apcoa didnt win the tender. The car park went back to the new owners of The Market Place. The signage hasnt been removed. NCP only took over Bow Street this year didnt they? Bow Street was and always was a filthy dangerous car park. Be glad they will have to tear it down and possibly rebuild another. Wouldnt you like to ve able to park you car knowing its safe to return to collect.
Firstly APCOA do operate The Market Place car park. They have had that contract for about 2 decades now and was recently extended for a further 5 years and that was done in the last 18 months.

If the operation/management had reverted by the Moorgate then they would have soon replaced the signs, thus no confusion would have arisen as to who to contact for concerns and queries!!! Also if they signs hadn't been replaced then Moorgate would have been in breach of false advertising!!!

As it is when Moorgate bought the car park from the administrators/banks they also had to keep the current contracts. APCOA's contract was only renewed due to the fact that the administrators/banks did not want to spend money in advertising the contract!

As for Bow Street as it is a Bolton Council car-park it came under the operation/management of NCP when NCP won the 30 years contract in 2005 which also included the building of the two new car parks that Bolton has.

https://www.whatdoth
eyknow.com/.../10/NC
P%20tender%20submiss
ion.pdf

As for tearing it don - f it does come down there won't be replacement due to thee excuse of not having the money to replace it and that the two new car parks will be able to cope with the additional parking!!! But will they cope when about half of the Market Place car-park closes to make way for the new 9 screen cinema?
[quote][p][bold]Cheryl111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheryl111[/bold] wrote: APCIA dont operate in Bolton anymore.[/p][/quote]Yes they do - they operate/manage The Market Place car park on behalf or Moorgate Properties, the owner of The Market Place.[/p][/quote]Apcoa didnt win the tender. The car park went back to the new owners of The Market Place. The signage hasnt been removed. NCP only took over Bow Street this year didnt they? Bow Street was and always was a filthy dangerous car park. Be glad they will have to tear it down and possibly rebuild another. Wouldnt you like to ve able to park you car knowing its safe to return to collect.[/p][/quote]Firstly APCOA do operate The Market Place car park. They have had that contract for about 2 decades now and was recently extended for a further 5 years and that was done in the last 18 months. If the operation/management had reverted by the Moorgate then they would have soon replaced the signs, thus no confusion would have arisen as to who to contact for concerns and queries!!! Also if they signs hadn't been replaced then Moorgate would have been in breach of false advertising!!! As it is when Moorgate bought the car park from the administrators/banks they also had to keep the current contracts. APCOA's contract was only renewed due to the fact that the administrators/banks did not want to spend money in advertising the contract! As for Bow Street as it is a Bolton Council car-park it came under the operation/management of NCP when NCP won the 30 years contract in 2005 which also included the building of the two new car parks that Bolton has. https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/.../10/NC P%20tender%20submiss ion.pdf As for tearing it don - f it does come down there won't be replacement due to thee excuse of not having the money to replace it and that the two new car parks will be able to cope with the additional parking!!! But will they cope when about half of the Market Place car-park closes to make way for the new 9 screen cinema? The Righteous One
  • Score: 1

8:50pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Vemote says...

This building doesn't look 45-50 years old, have the BEN got this correct? was there even a demand for 700 car spaces back in the 1960's? actually, we had a half-decent shopping centre, back then, so perhaps there was :D
This building doesn't look 45-50 years old, have the BEN got this correct? was there even a demand for 700 car spaces back in the 1960's? actually, we had a half-decent shopping centre, back then, so perhaps there was :D Vemote
  • Score: 1

8:57am Sat 26 Apr 14

MalcM59 says...

Trouble is that there's not much that you can do with badly made 1960's reinforced concrete structures like that. The re-bars are sealed within the concrete and they corrode because they weren't protected at point of construction, so the whole thing was a ticking time bomb with a maximum lifetime of 50 years or so. That's now expired and the building is basically knackered and will have to come down. It can't just be fixed with a lick of paint unfortunately.
Trouble is that there's not much that you can do with badly made 1960's reinforced concrete structures like that. The re-bars are sealed within the concrete and they corrode because they weren't protected at point of construction, so the whole thing was a ticking time bomb with a maximum lifetime of 50 years or so. That's now expired and the building is basically knackered and will have to come down. It can't just be fixed with a lick of paint unfortunately. MalcM59
  • Score: 3

6:19pm Fri 2 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Pull it down and build a cinema lol
Pull it down and build a cinema lol Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 1

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