Council to spend almost £500,000 to combat school places shortage

Council to spend almost £500,000 to combat school places shortage

Council to spend almost £500,000 to combat school places shortage

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , education reporter

NEARLY half-a-million pounds has been set aside to support schools who have taken in extra children because of a shortage of places.

Education chiefs have set up a “Growth Fund” to fund additional classes to cope with “significant” increases in the population.

Since 2009, £50 million has been spent on creating more than 3,000 extra school places, including areas in which schools had been controversially closed.

And although the council does not anticipate a huge increase in demand for places in Bolton’s primary schools, the money would provide financial support where a school or academy has agreed with the authority to increase its admission number.

The Bolton News revealed yesterday that nine out of 10 primary pupils had got the school place of their choice.

Previously, schools that have been part of the primary expansion programme have had increases to their funding from the contingency budget and now a growth fund of £440,000 will be set up.

The basic amount per pupil will reduce in primary schools due partly to the creation of fund.

It will decrease from £2,874 this academic year to £2,821 in 2014 to 15.

A Bolton Council spokesman said: “In the near future we are not anticipating any further substantial increases in demand for places nor the need for further expansion in primary schools.

“Whilst the growth fund is a new Government mechanism to provide school funding for expanding schools, this is something that Bolton has had in place for a number of years.

“It neither provides new money nor results in a cut to existing per pupil funding but it does ensure that schools undertaking a planned expansion are funded fairly and properly for the extra pupils they take.”

The drive to provide the additional classroom slots follows the closure of a number of local schools due to “falling roll numbers”.

Westhoughton Primary School and Scot Lane End Primary School in Blackrod both closed in 2008 while Christ Church CE Primary in Harwood was closed in 2007.

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3:07pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

So why did the exact same Labour council close 6 primary school just over 7 years ago citing a fall in the number of births meaning less school places would be required!!!!!
So why did the exact same Labour council close 6 primary school just over 7 years ago citing a fall in the number of births meaning less school places would be required!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 11

4:32pm Sat 19 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..
This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need.. thomas222
  • Score: 28

5:02pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..
Just where on earth have you connected this with immigration.

Fact is British white in Bolton has had the greatest increase in the number of births up by an astonishing 85% in the last 10 years (figures from ONS which came from the last census in 2011!!!)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..[/p][/quote]Just where on earth have you connected this with immigration. Fact is British white in Bolton has had the greatest increase in the number of births up by an astonishing 85% in the last 10 years (figures from ONS which came from the last census in 2011!!!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -47

5:56pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Hectoriva says...

9 in 10 got their 1st choices? Me & my 7 friends must be extremely unlucky as we didn't get any of our 3 nominations!
9 in 10 got their 1st choices? Me & my 7 friends must be extremely unlucky as we didn't get any of our 3 nominations! Hectoriva
  • Score: 4

6:02pm Sat 19 Apr 14

steveG says...

The Labour Council are beyond incompetent,they probably don't even remember closing Primary schools.
The Labour Council are beyond incompetent,they probably don't even remember closing Primary schools. steveG
  • Score: 15

10:13pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..
That is the easy solution especially when you don't have the official UN figures at hand (data as of January 2014) - consideration we are not first choice of destination for many!!!

UK - United Kingdom
Population Density: 267/km2 (4th most densely populated)
87% (56,550,000) indigenous (average for the EU is 90.2%/top 13 out of 28 for most indigenous population )
3% (1,950,000)Other EU (5th most popular for EU migrants or 6.72% of all 29million EU migrants in the EU)
10% (6,500,000) Outside the EU (3rd most popular for non-EU migrants)

And that is with controlled migration on non-EU citizens (which is 300% more than EU citizens)!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..[/p][/quote]That is the easy solution especially when you don't have the official UN figures at hand (data as of January 2014) - consideration we are not first choice of destination for many!!! UK - United Kingdom Population Density: 267/km2 (4th most densely populated) 87% (56,550,000) indigenous (average for the EU is 90.2%/top 13 out of 28 for most indigenous population ) 3% (1,950,000)Other EU (5th most popular for EU migrants or 6.72% of all 29million EU migrants in the EU) 10% (6,500,000) Outside the EU (3rd most popular for non-EU migrants) And that is with controlled migration on non-EU citizens (which is 300% more than EU citizens)!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -4

11:09pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Hectoriva wrote:
9 in 10 got their 1st choices? Me & my 7 friends must be extremely unlucky as we didn't get any of our 3 nominations!
Sarah Jessica Parker and now the National Lottery "Euromillions" character.

Your imagination is nothing but astounding!!!!

Whose next out of all the TV characters and stars?
[quote][p][bold]Hectoriva[/bold] wrote: 9 in 10 got their 1st choices? Me & my 7 friends must be extremely unlucky as we didn't get any of our 3 nominations![/p][/quote]Sarah Jessica Parker and now the National Lottery "Euromillions" character. Your imagination is nothing but astounding!!!! Whose next out of all the TV characters and stars? The Righteous One
  • Score: 34

8:18am Sun 20 Apr 14

tillyflop53 says...

thomas222 wrote:
This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..
I agree, god help the schools when the 1700 houses are built in Horwich. Not enough places now so where will kids go to school??? close the gateway and cut down on international new arrivals. other countries do it so why cant this country?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..[/p][/quote]I agree, god help the schools when the 1700 houses are built in Horwich. Not enough places now so where will kids go to school??? close the gateway and cut down on international new arrivals. other countries do it so why cant this country? tillyflop53
  • Score: 10

11:08am Sun 20 Apr 14

Home is where the heart is says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..
Just where on earth have you connected this with immigration.

Fact is British white in Bolton has had the greatest increase in the number of births up by an astonishing 85% in the last 10 years (figures from ONS which came from the last census in 2011!!!)
Poles,Slovaks,Lithua
nians...and the list goes on.All economic white immigrants sucking our services dry whilst paying in next to nothing.There's your 85%.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..[/p][/quote]Just where on earth have you connected this with immigration. Fact is British white in Bolton has had the greatest increase in the number of births up by an astonishing 85% in the last 10 years (figures from ONS which came from the last census in 2011!!!)[/p][/quote]Poles,Slovaks,Lithua nians...and the list goes on.All economic white immigrants sucking our services dry whilst paying in next to nothing.There's your 85%. Home is where the heart is
  • Score: 6

11:29am Sun 20 Apr 14

Freddies Assistant says...

My eight year old grandson has just spent nine mons WITHOUT a school place at all, and now has to travel a fair distance to go to school. Too little, FAR too late! IMHO
My eight year old grandson has just spent nine mons WITHOUT a school place at all, and now has to travel a fair distance to go to school. Too little, FAR too late! IMHO Freddies Assistant
  • Score: 46

12:15pm Sun 20 Apr 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

thomas222 wrote:
This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..
I FULLY AGREE, IT'S GOT TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL AND HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR OVER 40 YEARS, OUR HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS,NURSERIES, DOCTORS,LOCAL SHOPS,HOUSING ACCOMMODATION IS OVERWHELMED BY IT ALL AND BURSTING AT THE SEAMS WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS NOT A GOOD THING.
OUR LOCAL AREAS / COMMUNITIES HAVE CHANGED BEYOND RECOGNITION, NOT TO MENTION THE WELFARE SYSTEM, NO DOUBT MY COMMENTS WILL HIT A RAW NERVE, BUT YOU SEE WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY OVER HERE WHICH ENABLES US ALL TO FREE SPEECH AND HAVE OPINIONS, UNLESS MY COMMENTS GET DELETED OFF HERE !!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..[/p][/quote]I FULLY AGREE, IT'S GOT TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL AND HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR OVER 40 YEARS, OUR HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS,NURSERIES, DOCTORS,LOCAL SHOPS,HOUSING ACCOMMODATION IS OVERWHELMED BY IT ALL AND BURSTING AT THE SEAMS WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS NOT A GOOD THING. OUR LOCAL AREAS / COMMUNITIES HAVE CHANGED BEYOND RECOGNITION, NOT TO MENTION THE WELFARE SYSTEM, NO DOUBT MY COMMENTS WILL HIT A RAW NERVE, BUT YOU SEE WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY OVER HERE WHICH ENABLES US ALL TO FREE SPEECH AND HAVE OPINIONS, UNLESS MY COMMENTS GET DELETED OFF HERE !!!! VIGILANTE VIC
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3:36pm Sun 20 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Home is where the heart is wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..
Just where on earth have you connected this with immigration.

Fact is British white in Bolton has had the greatest increase in the number of births up by an astonishing 85% in the last 10 years (figures from ONS which came from the last census in 2011!!!)
Poles,Slovaks,Lithua

nians...and the list goes on.All economic white immigrants sucking our services dry whilst paying in next to nothing.There's your 85%.
In the latest figures from the UN

UK - United Kingdom
Population Density: 267/km2 (4th most densely populated)
87% (56,550,000) indigenous (average for the EU is 90.2%/top 13 out of 28 for most indigenous population )
3% (1,950,000)Other EU (5th most popular for EU migrants or 6.72% of all 29million EU migrants in the EU)
10% (6,500,000) Outside the EU (3rd most popular for non-EU migrants)

And that is with controlled migration on non-EU citizens (which is 300% more than EU citizens)!!!!! Also lets not forget that the number of EU migrants coming to the UK also includes the number of British people moving back to the UK!!!!!

Are you meaning to say that the less than 2 million EU migrants are making the schooling figure go up by 85% when we don't even get 7% of all the EU migrants??? The most be superhuman considering that would mean they have a more superior and faster gestation period than the normal bog-standard human being!!!!!! I never realised that Eastern European were a new form of humanity - are they the genus - Homo superior?

In fact official records show there are not even 100,000 Poles in the UK never mind 1.9 million, but lets not forget about The Germans (such as Farage's wife), Spanish (such as Cleggs Wife), French, Dutch (such as Cleggs mum), Belgians, Luxembourgs etc etc etc - or what about all the families in Bolton that have Dutch/Belgian heritage because the majority of them located to Bolton during the industrial revolution!

Then lets not forget the 3 million British that live in other EU countries giving birth , needing schools, living off benefits etc etc etc

I know here is an idea, lets send all the non-British EU migrants back and bring back all the British EU-migrants - oops can't as that would mean there would actually be an increase of population of over 1million!!!!

Do you not see how silly you posts now sounds?
[quote][p][bold]Home is where the heart is[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: This should tell many people we are full up & enough is enough. Controlled Immigration is what we need..[/p][/quote]Just where on earth have you connected this with immigration. Fact is British white in Bolton has had the greatest increase in the number of births up by an astonishing 85% in the last 10 years (figures from ONS which came from the last census in 2011!!!)[/p][/quote]Poles,Slovaks,Lithua nians...and the list goes on.All economic white immigrants sucking our services dry whilst paying in next to nothing.There's your 85%.[/p][/quote]In the latest figures from the UN UK - United Kingdom Population Density: 267/km2 (4th most densely populated) 87% (56,550,000) indigenous (average for the EU is 90.2%/top 13 out of 28 for most indigenous population ) 3% (1,950,000)Other EU (5th most popular for EU migrants or 6.72% of all 29million EU migrants in the EU) 10% (6,500,000) Outside the EU (3rd most popular for non-EU migrants) And that is with controlled migration on non-EU citizens (which is 300% more than EU citizens)!!!!! Also lets not forget that the number of EU migrants coming to the UK also includes the number of British people moving back to the UK!!!!! Are you meaning to say that the less than 2 million EU migrants are making the schooling figure go up by 85% when we don't even get 7% of all the EU migrants??? The most be superhuman considering that would mean they have a more superior and faster gestation period than the normal bog-standard human being!!!!!! I never realised that Eastern European were a new form of humanity - are they the genus - Homo superior? In fact official records show there are not even 100,000 Poles in the UK never mind 1.9 million, but lets not forget about The Germans (such as Farage's wife), Spanish (such as Cleggs Wife), French, Dutch (such as Cleggs mum), Belgians, Luxembourgs etc etc etc - or what about all the families in Bolton that have Dutch/Belgian heritage because the majority of them located to Bolton during the industrial revolution! Then lets not forget the 3 million British that live in other EU countries giving birth , needing schools, living off benefits etc etc etc I know here is an idea, lets send all the non-British EU migrants back and bring back all the British EU-migrants - oops can't as that would mean there would actually be an increase of population of over 1million!!!! Do you not see how silly you posts now sounds? The Righteous One
  • Score: 33

4:16pm Sun 20 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Lets compare the UN stats between the UK and the countries you have mentioned......

UK - United Kingdom
Population Density: 267/km2 (4th most densely populated)
87% (56,550,000) indigenous (average for the EU is 90.2%/top 13 out of 28 for most indigenous population )
3% (1,950,000)Other EU (5th most popular for EU migrants or 6.72% of all 29million EU migrants in the EU)
10% (6,500,000) Outside the EU (3rd most popular for non-EU migrants)


SL - Slovenia
Population Density: 104/km2
83% (2,075,000)indigenou
s
9% (225,000)Other EU
8% (200,000)Outside the EU


LT - Lithuania
Population Denisty: 46/km2
84% (2,520,000)indigenou
s
8.2% (246,000)Other EU
7.8% (234,000)Outside the EU

PL - Poland
Population Denisty: 128/km2
94% (37,600,000)indigeno
us
3.9% (1,560,000)Other EU
2.1% (840,000)Outside the EU

Percentage wise they have more EU migrants per the total population than what The UK does - isn't that strange considering according to press and certain political parties we get the most per population!!!! And, as a matter of fact, Poland is the 6th most popular destination for non-Polish EU migrants, just behind the UK!!! Poland has more indigenous than any of the other countries - strange when you think that the press and certain political parties make the statement in saying that we are over-run by Poles!!!!

And the most densely populated countries are:

3rd Place.....
BE - Belgium
Population Density: 360/km2
92% (10,120,000)indigeno
us
6% (660,000) Other EU
2% (220,000) Outside the EU

2nd Place...
NL - The Netherlands
Population Density: 433/km2
81% (14,580,000)indigeno
us
5% (900,000)Other EU
14% (2,520,000)Outside the EU

and the most densely populated country is....
MT - Malta
Population Denisty: 1334/km2
95.3% (405,025)indigenous
3.7% (15,725)Other EU
1% (4,250)Outside the EU


But look again at the percentage per population for EU migrants all these actually take more than the UK!!!!

Beginning to look like the press and certain political parties are lying, doesn't it?
Lets compare the UN stats between the UK and the countries you have mentioned...... UK - United Kingdom Population Density: 267/km2 (4th most densely populated) 87% (56,550,000) indigenous (average for the EU is 90.2%/top 13 out of 28 for most indigenous population ) 3% (1,950,000)Other EU (5th most popular for EU migrants or 6.72% of all 29million EU migrants in the EU) 10% (6,500,000) Outside the EU (3rd most popular for non-EU migrants) SL - Slovenia Population Density: 104/km2 83% (2,075,000)indigenou s 9% (225,000)Other EU 8% (200,000)Outside the EU LT - Lithuania Population Denisty: 46/km2 84% (2,520,000)indigenou s 8.2% (246,000)Other EU 7.8% (234,000)Outside the EU PL - Poland Population Denisty: 128/km2 94% (37,600,000)indigeno us 3.9% (1,560,000)Other EU 2.1% (840,000)Outside the EU Percentage wise they have more EU migrants per the total population than what The UK does - isn't that strange considering according to press and certain political parties we get the most per population!!!! And, as a matter of fact, Poland is the 6th most popular destination for non-Polish EU migrants, just behind the UK!!! Poland has more indigenous than any of the other countries - strange when you think that the press and certain political parties make the statement in saying that we are over-run by Poles!!!! And the most densely populated countries are: 3rd Place..... BE - Belgium Population Density: 360/km2 92% (10,120,000)indigeno us 6% (660,000) Other EU 2% (220,000) Outside the EU 2nd Place... NL - The Netherlands Population Density: 433/km2 81% (14,580,000)indigeno us 5% (900,000)Other EU 14% (2,520,000)Outside the EU and the most densely populated country is.... MT - Malta Population Denisty: 1334/km2 95.3% (405,025)indigenous 3.7% (15,725)Other EU 1% (4,250)Outside the EU But look again at the percentage per population for EU migrants all these actually take more than the UK!!!! Beginning to look like the press and certain political parties are lying, doesn't it? The Righteous One
  • Score: 35

4:40pm Sun 20 Apr 14

morganof4 says...

Very poor forward planning from our public servants,can,t organise schools,can't help town centre business to flourish.we really need to hold these people to account
Very poor forward planning from our public servants,can,t organise schools,can't help town centre business to flourish.we really need to hold these people to account morganof4
  • Score: 40

4:48pm Sun 20 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

HIWTHI: After a Labour decade in power it is now accepted generally by all Partys that 4 million Immigrants came to this Country to live. Over 3 million of them came from out of the EU. These figures do not include 1 million illegals who are here though some say it could be even 2 millions. To make matters worse the Toothless Torys & Lbdems under Cameron have added to this by many many more after failing to say they would reduce to tens of thousands, a stupid statement when they have no control of who comes in or not. Statistics from other EU countries are irrelevant as we are only interested to hear ours truthfully which to date has been massaged ones and false ones. So when we get hospital, schools, services, housing etc etc being over flow as they are we can safely say i dont need the stats, i see feel & hear every day that people are angry about this issue they have been ignored & they know it now. Thats why UKIP will do well because of others failures to act & listen to who votes for them.
HIWTHI: After a Labour decade in power it is now accepted generally by all Partys that 4 million Immigrants came to this Country to live. Over 3 million of them came from out of the EU. These figures do not include 1 million illegals who are here though some say it could be even 2 millions. To make matters worse the Toothless Torys & Lbdems under Cameron have added to this by many many more after failing to say they would reduce to tens of thousands, a stupid statement when they have no control of who comes in or not. Statistics from other EU countries are irrelevant as we are only interested to hear ours truthfully which to date has been massaged ones and false ones. So when we get hospital, schools, services, housing etc etc being over flow as they are we can safely say i dont need the stats, i see feel & hear every day that people are angry about this issue they have been ignored & they know it now. Thats why UKIP will do well because of others failures to act & listen to who votes for them. thomas222
  • Score: -31

4:55pm Sun 20 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

morganof4 wrote:
Very poor forward planning from our public servants,can,t organise schools,can't help town centre business to flourish.we really need to hold these people to account
So true Morg..... They cant plan though as they have no idea what has come in here. They cant do that because of uncontrolled Immigration as EU law allows. Thats why controlled immigration is needed then we can bring in who we want for the trades we want to fill & also to plan for our services transport & housing for the future etc. Not to do so will be very damaging for this Country.
[quote][p][bold]morganof4[/bold] wrote: Very poor forward planning from our public servants,can,t organise schools,can't help town centre business to flourish.we really need to hold these people to account[/p][/quote]So true Morg..... They cant plan though as they have no idea what has come in here. They cant do that because of uncontrolled Immigration as EU law allows. Thats why controlled immigration is needed then we can bring in who we want for the trades we want to fill & also to plan for our services transport & housing for the future etc. Not to do so will be very damaging for this Country. thomas222
  • Score: -31

10:56pm Sun 20 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
HIWTHI: After a Labour decade in power it is now accepted generally by all Partys that 4 million Immigrants came to this Country to live. Over 3 million of them came from out of the EU. These figures do not include 1 million illegals who are here though some say it could be even 2 millions. To make matters worse the Toothless Torys & Lbdems under Cameron have added to this by many many more after failing to say they would reduce to tens of thousands, a stupid statement when they have no control of who comes in or not. Statistics from other EU countries are irrelevant as we are only interested to hear ours truthfully which to date has been massaged ones and false ones. So when we get hospital, schools, services, housing etc etc being over flow as they are we can safely say i dont need the stats, i see feel & hear every day that people are angry about this issue they have been ignored & they know it now. Thats why UKIP will do well because of others failures to act & listen to who votes for them.
LIES!!!!

It is proven fact that only 1.9million migrants that live in the UK are from the EU
BUT over 2.5 million British live in other EU countries

Of all the figures that UKIP keep talking about, they forget to mention that a good percentage of that figure are BRITISH people moving back to the UK!!!

But also over the same period over 3 times more people came from outside the EU, through hat was supposed controlled immigration!!!!

Borough of Bolton population in 1991 was 262,880
Borough of Bolton population in 2001 was 261,035
Borough of Bolton population in 2009 was 265,100

And That means the population of Bolton is lower than its highest between 1901 and 1951!!!

So is Bolton overcrowded at this present time - nope as the population has been higher and for a much longer period. Has there been an influx of EU migrants - nope not unless you call an increase of 4065 a huge increase which includes returning British, EU migrants and non-EU migrants and British moving from other towns to Bolton. Therefore to blame one sect of people for the "huge" increase is basically incorrect!!!

It is an crease of 1.53% since 2001, although the population had fallen by 0.7% between 1991 and 2001 - compared to between 1801 and 1811 when the population increase of the Borough was 30% or between 1861 and 1881 which increased by 45% or between 1901 and 1911 hen it increased by 10.7%.

So an increase of 1.53% is a very modest increase and when taken into account of the last 50 years it is natural growth of the Borough's population!

***All above stats can be found from Library resources, ONS, Council records.***


Fact is we have more people move to Bolton from Non-EU countries (thus they have had to go through controlled immigration) and by British people from other parts of the country than people from other EU countries!

Therefore why are Thomas Ryder and UKIP scaremongering, and lying, about the EU - unless they are scared that people will want to stay part of the EU and as such make their party null and void!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: HIWTHI: After a Labour decade in power it is now accepted generally by all Partys that 4 million Immigrants came to this Country to live. Over 3 million of them came from out of the EU. These figures do not include 1 million illegals who are here though some say it could be even 2 millions. To make matters worse the Toothless Torys & Lbdems under Cameron have added to this by many many more after failing to say they would reduce to tens of thousands, a stupid statement when they have no control of who comes in or not. Statistics from other EU countries are irrelevant as we are only interested to hear ours truthfully which to date has been massaged ones and false ones. So when we get hospital, schools, services, housing etc etc being over flow as they are we can safely say i dont need the stats, i see feel & hear every day that people are angry about this issue they have been ignored & they know it now. Thats why UKIP will do well because of others failures to act & listen to who votes for them.[/p][/quote]LIES!!!! It is proven fact that only 1.9million migrants that live in the UK are from the EU BUT over 2.5 million British live in other EU countries Of all the figures that UKIP keep talking about, they forget to mention that a good percentage of that figure are BRITISH people moving back to the UK!!! But also over the same period over 3 times more people came from outside the EU, through hat was supposed controlled immigration!!!! Borough of Bolton population in 1991 was 262,880 Borough of Bolton population in 2001 was 261,035 Borough of Bolton population in 2009 was 265,100 And That means the population of Bolton is lower than its highest between 1901 and 1951!!! So is Bolton overcrowded at this present time - nope as the population has been higher and for a much longer period. Has there been an influx of EU migrants - nope not unless you call an increase of 4065 a huge increase which includes returning British, EU migrants and non-EU migrants and British moving from other towns to Bolton. Therefore to blame one sect of people for the "huge" increase is basically incorrect!!! It is an crease of 1.53% since 2001, although the population had fallen by 0.7% between 1991 and 2001 - compared to between 1801 and 1811 when the population increase of the Borough was 30% or between 1861 and 1881 which increased by 45% or between 1901 and 1911 hen it increased by 10.7%. So an increase of 1.53% is a very modest increase and when taken into account of the last 50 years it is natural growth of the Borough's population! ***All above stats can be found from Library resources, ONS, Council records.*** Fact is we have more people move to Bolton from Non-EU countries (thus they have had to go through controlled immigration) and by British people from other parts of the country than people from other EU countries! Therefore why are Thomas Ryder and UKIP scaremongering, and lying, about the EU - unless they are scared that people will want to stay part of the EU and as such make their party null and void!!! The Righteous One
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11:10pm Sun 20 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
morganof4 wrote:
Very poor forward planning from our public servants,can,t organise schools,can't help town centre business to flourish.we really need to hold these people to account
So true Morg..... They cant plan though as they have no idea what has come in here. They cant do that because of uncontrolled Immigration as EU law allows. Thats why controlled immigration is needed then we can bring in who we want for the trades we want to fill & also to plan for our services transport & housing for the future etc. Not to do so will be very damaging for this Country.
LIES!

FACT - ALL passports at all entry to Britain, whether EU or not, are scanned into the database, therefore the know who is coming in and where from! This happens at all airport, ports, International trains stations in the UK and any other port of entry.

FACT - British and Ireland never signed up to the Schengen Agreement and as such we still have control at our borders!!! Prior to 1999, the Schengen treaties and the rules adopted under them operated independently from the European Union; however, the Amsterdam Treaty incorporated them into European Union law, while providing opt-outs for the only two EU member states which had remained outside the Area: Ireland and the United Kingdom. THEREFORE WHY ARE UKIP LYING ABOUT THIS?

FACT - When entering a fellow EU country, who did sign the Schengen Agreement, our passports are scanned into their database - this only happens for United Kingdom and Ireland due to the fact we never signed up to the Schengen Agreement. All other EU nationals, from EU countries that signed to the Schengen Agreement, do not show their passport nor go through passport control at these Schengen signed EU countries. But once you have entered a Schengen area one s free to move from one country to another, including Switzerland, Norway and Iceland - except UK and Eire!!!

FACT - we have controlled borders for non-EU migrants, but funnily enough that number went up in the last 12 months by almost 25%, whilst the Government are trying to reduce the figure!!!

FACT - the number of EU migrants in the UK has been decreasing since 2008 and even with the last blocks removed for Romanian and Bulgarian citizens there has not been floods of people coming over, in fact more have moved to Spain and Italy than what they have to the UK!!!! (UN statistic)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]morganof4[/bold] wrote: Very poor forward planning from our public servants,can,t organise schools,can't help town centre business to flourish.we really need to hold these people to account[/p][/quote]So true Morg..... They cant plan though as they have no idea what has come in here. They cant do that because of uncontrolled Immigration as EU law allows. Thats why controlled immigration is needed then we can bring in who we want for the trades we want to fill & also to plan for our services transport & housing for the future etc. Not to do so will be very damaging for this Country.[/p][/quote]LIES! FACT - ALL passports at all entry to Britain, whether EU or not, are scanned into the database, therefore the know who is coming in and where from! This happens at all airport, ports, International trains stations in the UK and any other port of entry. FACT - British and Ireland never signed up to the Schengen Agreement and as such we still have control at our borders!!! Prior to 1999, the Schengen treaties and the rules adopted under them operated independently from the European Union; however, the Amsterdam Treaty incorporated them into European Union law, while providing opt-outs for the only two EU member states which had remained outside the Area: Ireland and the United Kingdom. THEREFORE WHY ARE UKIP LYING ABOUT THIS? FACT - When entering a fellow EU country, who did sign the Schengen Agreement, our passports are scanned into their database - this only happens for United Kingdom and Ireland due to the fact we never signed up to the Schengen Agreement. All other EU nationals, from EU countries that signed to the Schengen Agreement, do not show their passport nor go through passport control at these Schengen signed EU countries. But once you have entered a Schengen area one s free to move from one country to another, including Switzerland, Norway and Iceland - except UK and Eire!!! FACT - we have controlled borders for non-EU migrants, but funnily enough that number went up in the last 12 months by almost 25%, whilst the Government are trying to reduce the figure!!! FACT - the number of EU migrants in the UK has been decreasing since 2008 and even with the last blocks removed for Romanian and Bulgarian citizens there has not been floods of people coming over, in fact more have moved to Spain and Italy than what they have to the UK!!!! (UN statistic) The Righteous One
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11:13pm Sun 20 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

FACT is if we removed all the EU migrants that have moved here in the 10 years and brought back the British migrants that went to live and work in other EU countries, the UK population would actually RISE by 1.5 million!!!!
FACT is if we removed all the EU migrants that have moved here in the 10 years and brought back the British migrants that went to live and work in other EU countries, the UK population would actually RISE by 1.5 million!!!! The Righteous One
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11:17pm Sun 20 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Fact is if we introduced controlled borders for EU citizens would Nigel Farage's German wife, and/or her family be allowed into the country? What about Nick Clegg's Spanish wife and her family, or what about Nick Cleggs Dutch mum and her family? What about all the Bolton families that have Flemish relations (Dutch and Belgians) due to the lineage of families that moved over at the start if the Industrial evolution - would they be allowed in? and so on and so on....

What about the Royal family relations in the Spanish, Dutch, Belgian and Swedish monarchy's - would they bee allowed to come into the country?
Fact is if we introduced controlled borders for EU citizens would Nigel Farage's German wife, and/or her family be allowed into the country? What about Nick Clegg's Spanish wife and her family, or what about Nick Cleggs Dutch mum and her family? What about all the Bolton families that have Flemish relations (Dutch and Belgians) due to the lineage of families that moved over at the start if the Industrial evolution - would they be allowed in? and so on and so on.... What about the Royal family relations in the Spanish, Dutch, Belgian and Swedish monarchy's - would they bee allowed to come into the country? The Righteous One
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5:32pm Mon 21 Apr 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

This is utterly disgusting. As it states on another news thread that we can't comment on - "more than half of new primary school starters cannot speak English" - this is disgusting! MORE THAN HALF!
This is utterly disgusting. As it states on another news thread that we can't comment on - "more than half of new primary school starters cannot speak English" - this is disgusting! MORE THAN HALF! FreedomOfSpeech1945
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8:25am Tue 22 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

There are three types of lies

LIES
DAMNED LIES
and STATISTICS.
There are three types of lies LIES DAMNED LIES and STATISTICS. Jim271
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8:18pm Tue 22 Apr 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
This is utterly disgusting. As it states on another news thread that we can't comment on - "more than half of new primary school starters cannot speak English" - this is disgusting! MORE THAN HALF!
YES I NOTICED THOSE FIGURES... HOWEVER THIS SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE IN MANY SECONDARY SCHOOLS NEVER MIND OUR PRIMARY SCHOOLS,AS WELL AS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, BUT ESPECIALLY THOSE IN DAUBHILL-DEANE AND GREAT LEVER, NOT A GOOD THING TO BE HONEST AS IT JUST MEANS OTHER ENGLISH SPEAKING PUPILS ARE BEING HELD BACK IN ORDER FOR THE REST TO LEARN OUR LANGUAGE AND CATCH UP :-( TUT-TUT-TUT
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: This is utterly disgusting. As it states on another news thread that we can't comment on - "more than half of new primary school starters cannot speak English" - this is disgusting! MORE THAN HALF![/p][/quote]YES I NOTICED THOSE FIGURES... HOWEVER THIS SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE IN MANY SECONDARY SCHOOLS NEVER MIND OUR PRIMARY SCHOOLS,AS WELL AS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, BUT ESPECIALLY THOSE IN DAUBHILL-DEANE AND GREAT LEVER, NOT A GOOD THING TO BE HONEST AS IT JUST MEANS OTHER ENGLISH SPEAKING PUPILS ARE BEING HELD BACK IN ORDER FOR THE REST TO LEARN OUR LANGUAGE AND CATCH UP :-( TUT-TUT-TUT VIGILANTE VIC
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8:37pm Tue 22 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Fact is if we introduced controlled borders for EU citizens would Nigel Farage's German wife, and/or her family be allowed into the country? What about Nick Clegg's Spanish wife and her family, or what about Nick Cleggs Dutch mum and her family? What about all the Bolton families that have Flemish relations (Dutch and Belgians) due to the lineage of families that moved over at the start if the Industrial evolution - would they be allowed in? and so on and so on....

What about the Royal family relations in the Spanish, Dutch, Belgian and Swedish monarchy's - would they bee allowed to come into the country?
Controlled immigration dick head how many times stop spinning you are delusional and a fool..
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Fact is if we introduced controlled borders for EU citizens would Nigel Farage's German wife, and/or her family be allowed into the country? What about Nick Clegg's Spanish wife and her family, or what about Nick Cleggs Dutch mum and her family? What about all the Bolton families that have Flemish relations (Dutch and Belgians) due to the lineage of families that moved over at the start if the Industrial evolution - would they be allowed in? and so on and so on.... What about the Royal family relations in the Spanish, Dutch, Belgian and Swedish monarchy's - would they bee allowed to come into the country?[/p][/quote]Controlled immigration dick head how many times stop spinning you are delusional and a fool.. thomas222
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1:14am Wed 23 Apr 14

BoltonLancs says...

Yes, Righteous One. The story on how MORE than HALF of Primary school starters can't speak English, how can that be if we took at your 'official stasts' as gospel.??? Stats are so easily massaged, surely someone of your years understands that? Do you really think the EU, UN or this lapdog Government know who lives where?? Don't you know of the tens of thousands of immigrants, legal or not, who have been waved through customs by order of; this pathetic and the last criminal - Governments ???? You believe every document you read yet dismiss what your senses tell you....You fool!!! (btw sorry if you have sight/shearing problems)
Yes, Righteous One. The story on how MORE than HALF of Primary school starters can't speak English, how can that be if we took at your 'official stasts' as gospel.??? Stats are so easily massaged, surely someone of your years understands that? Do you really think the EU, UN or this lapdog Government know who lives where?? Don't you know of the tens of thousands of immigrants, legal or not, who have been waved through customs by order of; this pathetic and the last criminal - Governments ???? You believe every document you read yet dismiss what your senses tell you....You fool!!! (btw sorry if you have sight/shearing problems) BoltonLancs
  • Score: 1

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